The Daily Zeitgeist - Ohhh WHITE Supremacy, Best TV Dramas Since Sopranos 1.16.19

Episode Date: January 16, 2019

In episode 310, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Tamer Kattan to discuss the best television shows since The Sopranos, William Barrs memo on the Mueller investigation, Trump's dinner for the Clemson crew, Republicans coming for Steve King's racist comments, how sex offender and paedophile Jeffrey Epstein got a 'non-prosecution agreement,' Steven Spielberg's West Side Story, the Fyre Festival documentary wars, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. The 20 Best TV Dramas Since ‘The Sopranos’2. William Barr’s Slick Performance Shouldn’t Fool Anyone3. President Trump’s extravagant, $3,000, 300-sandwich celebration of Clemson University4. President Trump welcomed the NCAA national champion Clemson Tigers football team to the White House with a shutdown smorgasbord of fast food offerings he called "great American food," including piles of pizza and fries and more than 300 burgers. 5. WATCH: The Simpsons Skinner and The Superintendent: Aurora Borealis6. Romney calls on Steve King to resign after comments on white supremacy7. Why are Republicans suddenly outraged over Steve King’s racism?8. Even from jail, sex abuser manipulated the system. His victims were kept in the dark9. How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime10. Steven Spielberg’s ‘West Side Story’ Finds Its Maria, Anita, Bernardo & Chino11. 17-year-old high school student cast in West Side Story after worldwide search12. Hulu Debuts Fyre Festival Doc Days Before Rival Netflix Project13. WATCH: Ty Segall: "My lady's on fire" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the Internet, and welcome to Season 65, Episode 3 of Your Daily Zeitgeist. Apple Podcasts, or of Trite Gang, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Oh no, now I, I will say guys, as long as I am Miles of Gray, I know I will get by. Thank you to Hannah Soltis for that, a.k.a. to the tune of... Anyway, so that's from Hannah Soltis. Yeah, Hannah Soltis for that AKA to the tune of... Anyway, so that's from Hannah Soltis. Yeah, Hannah Soltis. Did she write her own thank you too into her AKA? No, I just started. I just, you know, I was channeled.

You know what I mean? And then I took it to the next level. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian Tamara Katan. Oh, thank you. Thank you, man. It's nice to be here. I'm a big fan of the podcast. Oh, thank you, man. It's nice to be here. Hey. I'm a big fan of the podcast. Oh, thank you.

Oh, man. You're the first person to say that. Everybody else is a son of a bitch. I know. It's the truth. Everybody else is telling the truth. First, we should tell people to go check out the SF Sketch Fest Live Nation or the Punchline website to come check us out live, 1130, Saturday night.

Saturday night live, TDZ. There we go. Coming up in San Francisco. Oh, yeah. And hit us with some overrated, underrated, and myths if you want to come upon the stage. What's our hashtag? Let's do hashtag TDZSF. TDZSF.

And then give us your overrated, underrated, and myth. And we, if they're good, we'll bring you up on stage if now we massively disappointed yes uh we will just mock you from the stage um but no that's not true we're very nice i'll just cry but we're looking forward to hanging out with sf zeitgang so tamra we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about we're gonna talk about the sopranos since it is the 20-year anniversary of i think the first episode uh we're gonna talk about the Sopranos since it is the 20-year anniversary of I think the first episode we're gonna talk about that show and also the New York Times article that came out about a week ago where they ranked the 20 or

they didn't rank they listed the 20 best dramas since Sopranos and it's an interesting list I mean they hit they hit most of the highlights. We're going to talk about William Barr, the new AG. We're going to talk about Trump's just classy way of honoring the national championship winning football team because he doesn't get that very often. Most athletes are like, nah, man, we're good. We don't want to meet. We're going to talk about the GOP being like, oh, white supremacy. Right. Yeah, no, that's bad. Yeah, man. We're good. We don't want to meet. We're going to talk about the GOP being like, oh, white supremacy.

Right. Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. That's bad. Yeah, yeah. And we're going to talk about, I finally got around to reading the Miami Herald deep dive into the world of Jeffrey Epstein.

And holy shit, you guys, Carcosa is real as fuck. But first, Tamer, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, you know what? For some reason, I go on a lot of deep dives and documentaries and stuff. And I found this guy who's a black entrepreneur who created razor blades that only have a single blade. And he's like, yeah, Gillette and these razor blade companies don't care about minorities. They keep making these extra blades. He's like, I dare you to Google a black man in the past and find any razor bumps. Oh, interesting.

And I was like, whoa, he's right. He's like, razor bumps are a new phenomenon when they added multiple razors and multiple razors hurt people that have curly beard hair. So people of African descent. And I'm Egyptian, so I used to get them really bad. And when you do Google old pictures of African American guys or people of color, there are no razor bumps. Because they were getting straight razor shades.

Yeah, it was straight razors or a single blade, even in the 60s. Single blades worked and nobody had razor bumps. So I was Googling that. So did you start using it? I stopped using multiple razors. I went out and got a single blade, even a disposable one, and it works better.

Huh. I know there's still some bump. Is it bumping? No, you look good. Nice. It is not bumping like a glove on Saturday. It's hard for me to see my own neck. I have long struggled with razor bumps and I think I'm going to try that as well. Yeah, single blades. That's a secret that corporations hide from us. I don't have any facial hair that's worth shaving.

Yeah, you're so lucky you got the right amount of Asian in you. Yeah, seriously. Well done. It's just patchy, though, man. When that shit grows out, I look like trouble. People are like, I don't know about this dude's hair. I love patchy beards. They look feral.

Yeah, yeah. And all it took was one woman in college to be like, I was talking shit about my own facial hair and they're like oh i don't know like there's something trippy about it i'm like what's up with him something yeah and i was like yeah i'm gonna keep rocking this fucked up patchy like does he have something wrong yeah i'm into it yeah she may have even been a really nice way i've been like it's concerning but i take it as like it's a mystique i don't know no i i had such bad razor bumps when i first started shaving that i went to a dermatologist and they were like well what you need to do is go find a place that sells the black man's razor and that is like a specific thing like a facial razor that's called the black man's razor oh wow

and was it a single blade then uh no it was actually a really fucked up product like it was very uncomfortable the handle was like the black power fist exactly it didn't it didn't shave very well uh for my face at least but uh so would you go to like a like a black beauty parlor type thing no they actually had it at like cvs and oh for real yeah who's making it the coke Koch brothers probably? Yeah, I guess. What is something you think is underrated? I think the talent of unfamous people is really underrated. Like I know a lot of comics who hate going to open mics. I've been to open mics where I've seen people that made me laugh harder than some of the most famous comics.

Oh, really? Because comedy is all about like distraction and surprise. And when you see someone you've never seen before and know nothing about them, and they say something that's a magical combination of words, nothing will make you laugh harder than that. Because famous people, you know enough about them already. So I think the talent of unknown people is highly underrated. Well, and the bar is real low when you hear celebrities do something funny or whatever.

Because you're like, oh my God, the celebrity is doing something weird. Yeah. Well, and the bar is real low when you hear like celebrities do something funny or whatever, because you're like, oh, my God, the celebrity is doing something weird. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas like someone who hasn't like you have no context around who they are, you don't know about what their rep or whatever is. When you laugh at that, I think there's something much more powerful because I think, yeah, it's easy to be, I guess, I guess not necessarily for standups, but like we tend to just take anything. Someone who's at an elevated position is like already being more funny or interesting it's so true yeah and then that i mean it's kind of segues into like what i think is overrated which is like you know uh the opinions of famous people yeah like george foreman making a grill that makes zero sense right no one's ever looked at

foreman and said, what a body. You know what I mean? It's literally a fat man saying, eat with this. It'll make you lean. He had the word lean in it. There's nothing about Foreman that's lean. Well, I trust him. He named his daughter George.

He's a human ham. He's a human ham. That's what he is. And just because he's famous, it worked. Yeah, that's true. It makes no sense. I think power is such a, I wish we treated power like a drug, and then there was like a list of side effects with people

that have a certain amount of power. Yeah. Because I think like Trump always talks about he's never had a drug, he's never had alcohol, and he's the drunkest president we've ever had. Exactly. Yeah. Have you heard him slowed down at two and a half speed? There's this guy who slows down his –

No, but I'm gutted for sure. Hearing him at two and a half two and a half speed like minus two and a half speed it sounds like a drunk guy lying to you right because everything is just in this cadence he sounds drunk right so he sounds like he slowed down but because his brain is like so twitchy and just like fucked up and adderall riddled i guess right you can actually see his train of thought a little bit clearer. It's like, oh, that's how a human mind works when it's slowed down. Yeah, you can follow his logic a little bit when he's talking like that.

Oh, my God. It's just shocking that it's coming out of an adult man. Yes. And as opposed to like a drunk baby. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, there are a few people. I know this account, Arlen Parsons' account on Twitter.

I think he started it like in November. Anyway, when you listen to him slowed down, just listen to this, and it all makes sense in such a frightening way. I'll be honest. I think it was a great victory. And actually, some of the news this morning was that it was, in fact, a great victory. And actually some of the news this morning was that it was in fact a great victory. Right.

But if you look at it from the standpoint of gridlock, I really believe there's going to be much less gridlock because of the way this is going. Right.

If you look at it from the standpoint of gridlock, there's going to be a lot less gridlock. I can almost picture the paper bag shoes while he's making this speech. Yeah, he just sounds like a normal drunk guy it sounds so authentic to who he is and how he behaves that i feel like that's not him slowed down everything we're hearing is him sped up right oh right you know what i mean that's right yeah that's without the adderall yeah without taking a fat bump of adderall before he goes out there he's like you know he's like you know normally i don't talk like this because it's me wired. So, you know, I got a great idea for this border, man. And finally, what is a myth?

What's something people think is true, you know, to be false? I think the whole belief that all Arabic people are super familial. Yeah. Like we're not. That's not true. We're not super familial. Yeah. Like we're not, that's not true. We're not all familial. I have plenty of Arabic friends who are just like normal, not super loving.

Like some of us are loving, sure. Some of us are huggers, but some of us, no. Some of us are cold people. It doesn't mean like just because you're brown, you're going to be huggy. I don't want to hug everybody. They're like, oh, he's Egyptian. Give me a hug.

Oh, your family must hang out. No, we don't hang out all the time. I like my mom. I don't want to hug everybody they're like oh he's egyptian give me a hug oh oh your family must hang out no we don't hang out all the time i like my mom i don't like any of my cousins i don't i prefer to shake hands actually especially now with women i don't know when to hug and not hug yeah so i just stopped hugging i started to shake hands i just do i didn't like pound it i do pounds too exactly and then they're like huh exactly so i i think like even though it's one of the good things that that they give middle Eastern people, I don't think it's something that's trans Arabic. Right. This idea of like, welcome. Let me hug you.

And also, I'm not, not all immigrants are apologetic and like, please let me be here. Not all of us are saying, oh, we're just as good as you. Some of us are saying, you know what? We're better than you. Right. Hey, idiot, get out of the way. This is how you crunch some numbers. This is how you engineer.

This is how you do this. Exactly. Thank you for beating me up. You taught me how to fight. Yeah. Right, idiot, get out of the way. This is how you crunch some numbers. This is how you engineer. This is how you do this. Exactly. Thank you for beating me up. You taught me how to fight. Yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah. No, that's for sure true. And I do think that there are, yeah, it seems like I hadn't really thought about it until you said that. But there are cultures where it seems like we just give them credit for just always being like, yeah, you know, we're, we're happy to be here and thankful that you let us be here. And that's the kind of bullshit. It's something that I have to remind,

remind like people of my parents' generation. I immigrated with them, but I have to remember, I remember I applied for this job one time or I had a job. I got an offer at another job. My friend at my agency was a black dude and And he goes, dude, talk to the boss. Tell him about the offer. Get a promotion. So I went in.

I spoke to the guy. He said, we don't want you to leave. We really like you. Hang out in the next six months. We'll give you a review. Came back, talked to my friend. And he goes, man, you're just as black as me. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

He's like, you didn't get the promotion. You said you'd hang out. I guarantee you. There's a white guy at this company who is a lower position than you, who without hesitation asked for a promotion and is making more money than you. And he's right. And I see to my parents, they always go, oh, we're so lucky to be in America. It's not Afghanistan.

It's not Egypt. I'm like, wait, you moved to a place that called itself the greatest country in the world. Why aren't you comparing it to Sweden and Norway and Denmark and Western Europe? That's what you should be comparing it to. Yeah. So I think that myth, I think there's a changing in immigrant culture too. Yeah. You can express and, you know, be grateful and have gratitude, but still look out for

yourself and not let yourself be fucking, you know, railroaded by racists. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Absolutely. You know, Jack, I would like to talk about a promotion. So maybe after the show. You know, let's listen. No, let's do it now.

All right, let's do it right here. All right, so I'm going to write a number down. If I can make one immigrant create a revolution at a time. That's fine. One immigrant at a time. All right, guys. 20 years ago,

last week, The Sopranos premiered. I was not on the wave right away because I was, I think, too young maybe for it. Maybe also didn't have HBO. I don't know what I was paying attention to. Right, right. But during the first half of the first season, I wasn't watching it, and then I caught up. Oh, so you only missed out the first half of the first season?

Yeah. Oh, I thought you were like, and I started watching it five years ago. I remember when he went on that college visit with Meadow. Yeah, yeah. That was a great episode. And that episode was when everybody was like, yo, this show is fucked up. Right. And that's when I started watching.

So Sopranos widely agreed to be, I think for a while people were like, this is the best show in the history of TV. And then Breaking Bad and The Wire came along and people started being like, well, Sopranos is still pretty good, but not necessarily the best show. And now there's a lot of TV critics going back and rewatching it and saying, no, it is the best show. So the New York Times in honor of Sopranos 20. Well, actually, first, before we talk about the article that listed other shows besides the Sopranos, Miles, you're a big Sopranos fan. Love it.

We watch funny videos around the office just from comedy TV shows, and the Sopranos is actually in heavy rotation because some of these scenes that I remember thinking were funny, but they are up there with some of the best comedic scenes of all time. Well, because the tension is so high, right? Because these are criminal fucking immoral people. And I think that's the beauty of the show.

David Chase finds a way for you to be like, they're also human and shitty and insecure and fucked up like everybody else. Yeah, they might be murderers and adulterers and shit like that. But then, yeah, they paint it in a very human way that is great. So then when you see them like act out their insecurities and things like whether, you know, Tony's arguing why like he lost a fight to Bobby.

He's like, that would have been him on the floor. You know, like there's so many things like their flaws are so transparent and they use that to create comedy that, yeah, there are so many amazing moments. I love that show. You know, I read this article that said pre nine 11,

all of our stories were very clear as to who was the bad guy and who was the good guy after nine 11, when we couldn't find the weapons of mass destruction, quote unquote, the style du jour was moral ambiguity. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

So like all of a sudden Batman had a drinking problem or Iron Man had a drinking problem. Batman wasn't necessarily a good guy. Right. And then you've got the Sopranos where there's like guy doing evil things was actually a sweet guy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yo, but he loves animals though.

Right. He's a murderer, but then he's more worried about this horse getting killed. And the ducks in the pool and stuff. Right. What was the horse's name? Paiomai. Paiomai. Yeah.

Jesus, man. what a performance. Or like when Christopher killed Cosette when he sat on her. He's like, that was a fucking dog. What? The dude was on heroin and sat on the fucking dog. Yeah, but the intervention scene

is on YouTube and that's worth checking out. Holy shit. Well, please just watch the show. Watch the show. I think out of context, I'd be like, what the? I think Sopranos is actually best experienced

in YouTube clip form. No, but there is some just incredible performances. Gandolfini, Goat probably. Watch it with an Italian family. It'll feel like you're in an IMAX theater. It's like, oh, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, this is like 3D. So the New York Times talked about how Sopranos paved the way for a bunch of other kind of prestige TV shows and listed the 20 best dramas since Sopranos.

And it's an interesting list. So, Miles, you were guessing some of the shows that were on it earlier. I think you guessed The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Shield. There's some curveballs, though. What are the curveballs? So Adventure Time is on there. They're calling that a drama? Best drama series?

Yeah, they're calling it a drama. And the write-up is basically spending the whole time making the case that it belongs as a drama because it's dealing with good and evil. And it's as fantastical as Lost and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I think Lost is on this list. I don't think Buffy is. Yeah. The other big curveball is Atlanta, which I can more see that case because that show is very, know it like the sopranos it has really funny

moments but it also deals with some pretty dark shit yeah thought-provoking very thought-provoking adventure i've never seen adventure time my you know ignorant point of view of it or my perception of it is that it's just like a funny cartoon r.i.p your mentions i don't know if people want to hop just let me know i mean i if i should watch it let me know, I mean, if I should watch it, let me know, I don't, I just always see people at Comic Con

dressed as like certain characters. Yeah, people love that shit, but it's pretty standard, The Leftovers, which season two of The Leftovers was fucking great,

I don't know if you guys watched that. What was that one? I haven't seen it. That's an HBO show also, right? That's an HBO show about the rapture

where like people, it's basically the stand ish like the people just disappear off like a i think it's only a small portion of people disappear right it's also it's very much tamra like you were talking about 9-11 it's very much the first season is just almost the rapture is a metaphor for 9-11 like everybody's dealing with this tragedy that happened to them. Their loved ones got raptured up. Just everybody, a bunch of people just disappear.

And so it's the world after that. And so the first season is just, I thought the pilot was fucking incredible, but then the first season got a little, I don't know, annoying. But the second season, they go to this town where it's just like this sort of becomes this religious community where nobody was raptured. But like, it's just like, it's exactly what the show needed. I haven't watched the third season,

but second season of The Leftovers is amazing. So much good TV. There is, it's annoying almost. Right, I feel like that dog in the video where they dump a bucket of tennis balls onto the deck. And I'm like, which ball do I want? Oh, see, yeah, there's some good ones. Yeah, Battlestar Galactica. I was

fucking with that. Deadwood, yeah. Deadwood. I got a lot. I think Deadwood might be my favorite on this list. I love Deadwood. Yeah. Veronica Mars. Okay. What's up with Homeboy and the Yellow Pathfinder? Grey's Anatomy. You said The Shield is amazing, right? Shield is great, man.

For a show, the pilot starts off with a fucking bang. And that's one of the reasons why I even stuck through it. Because at the time, I did not have patience for shows. But I was like, oh, okay. There's a lot of really good international stuff coming out, too. I've seen on Netflix lately that's blown me away. Usually, international dramas I like, international comedies

don't always translate, but there's one called Norseman. It was written by Norwegians in Norway. So it was like Norwegian, Viking time, like Viking situations, but with modern day

Norwegian personalities. Oh, really? So like they rape and pillage, but then apologize. Such a funny show. That's amazing. The wire is obviously on here. Battlestar Galactica.

Jane the Virgin. That's interesting too. Yeah. Lost. Veronica Mars was surprising to me. Grey's Anatomy was surprising to me. People fuck with Veronica Mars. Yeah,

I know. They go crazy. They've like fan funded that. Was it a movie? Yeah. Right? Or is it another season of it? I think it was a movie. Anyway. Yeah. Someone will correct me. Anything missing you see here? I mean, they did not put

Game of Thrones on, which I would probably agree with following. No, they did. They put it on the... Oh, is that Honorable Mentions or something? Honorable Mentions are the hardest ones to leave off the list. Interesting. Transparent is on there. Enlightened is on there.

I feel like you could have left that off. What about Mad Men? It's on there. I mean, I never watched it because it just was so slow for me. But everyone's like, man, it's real. We will watch it. I think it's pretty great. I loved it too.

I was the same way though. I was both of you guys. Like in the beginning, I was like, oh, this is too slow. And I worked in advertising. Right. So I it's pretty great. I loved it too. I was the same way though. I was both of you guys. In the beginning I was like, oh, this is too slow. And I worked in advertising. So I kept seeing the string. I'm like, this isn't a real boy. And then when everybody else was done, then I started watching it

and I'm like, oh, this is really good. I think everyone was like, you gotta just get through that first season and it'll pay itself off. Yeah, it really does. They should pair TV shows with moods rather than pair wine with food. Seriously, right?

You know what I mean? Are you sad? Did you just go through a breakup? Yeah. Now watch Mad Men for three weeks. Are you sad and you don't have a lot of time? You got to get back to work? Atlanta.

Okay, here's your limited series. There you go, exactly. There you go. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. There you go. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered.

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because he had written an unsolicited memo just being like nah fuck all this like uh he was very skeptical of it uh well yeah he was saying like yo the scope it's too wide ranging the scope is out of control right and it was like the president needs to get aggressive in defending himself from it which was basically him it was his audition slash tinder bio for the white house to be like hi hi, I could be AG. Look how I can write smartly about how to dismantle this thing. Exactly.

And a lot of people were pressing him about it. And he talks a good game. Yeah. He acted like, oh, I think Mueller needs the resources to finish this thing and blah, blah, blah. And he and Mueller are apparently homies, right? I think they work together. Yeah, I don't know how close they are. Lindsey Graham last week was like, they're best friends homies, right? Like they're, uh, I think they work together. Yeah. I don't know how close they, you know, Lindsey Graham last week was like their best friends. Oh really?

Their wives study the Bible together. Their wives study the Bible together. Yeah. They do Bible study together. Good for them. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, look, it was one of those things where there could be a lot worse picks, but also when it comes to the Russia investigation, you would hope that this memo is just disqualifying. At the very least, he'd be like, hey, I know I wrote that.

I'm going to recuse myself for that thing. But he was like, oh, I don't see the point in doing that. At this point, I'm pretty sure it seems like a foregone conclusion when you consider the votes in the Senate, what it takes to be confirmed. So we'll see unless someone has a magic card up their sleeve, an ace of spades or what have you. Is that a magic card?

I don't know. Magic the Gathering? Ace of spades? Magic the Gathering, Lord of the Pit, 10-10 flying. Ace of spades. Depends on what the color breakdown of your deck is. Got it. Well, the president himself had a big moment on Monday

because he finally got a championship team that wanted to hang out with him. Clemson's national championship winning football team had the honor of dining at the White House. Yeah. And the president, again, this is like some shit that I would love if it wasn't him. Right. Because it's kind of a funny move. Wait, what do you mean if it wasn't him? Like, who would you love it in the context of i don't know like his personality there are some aspects

of his personality that are just funny to me like the fact that he just put up a banquet of wendy's and mcdonald's and uh dominoes yeah that is what a college student's gonna fuck with right well it's also funny though too because i mean like a lot of collegiate athletes at that level, they have full-on nutritionists. They couldn't even get near that shit during the season, which is odd because he was like, you know, if it was Melania, it would be salads. Like he kept saying like if his wife could have made some salads.

Throw her under the bus. Yeah, right. Or like, but, you know, these hyper-masculine dudes need to eat their fucking fake meat and shit. But anyway, we have a clip of him kind of talking about this wonderful spread that he put forth for the national championship team. Do you prefer McDonald's or Wendy's? I like them all. That's a tough question.

If it's American, I like it. It's all American stuff. But it's good stuff. We have the national champion team, as you know, Clemson Tigers. And they had a fantastic game against Alabama. And they're all here. They're right outside the room.

And I think we're going to let you see them. But I'll bet you, as much food as we have — we have pizzas, we have 300 hamburgers, many, many French fries, all of our favorite foods. I want to see what's here while we leave because I don't think it's going to be much. The reason we did this is because of the shutdown. Yeah. So keep in mind, exactly.

Without the White House, full White House staff there, they couldn't have actually cooked a meal or had people to clean the shit up. So I think they just sent out a few lowly assistants. But he's a billionaire. Yeah. And then he... It's insulting. Like if I was in a suit, if I put on...

Even if I'm a college student and I went out and I put on a suit and I got all excited and all my friends and my family knew that I was going to the White House

and he gave me... It feels like an insult. Yeah, for sure. And he gave me... Let's keep this in mind. Cold fast food. Cold ass fast food. He gave me, let's keep this in mind, cold fast food. Cold ass fast food. That shit has been out.

Cold French fries. Cold McDonald's fries. That shit does not keep at all. Yeah, but if you're in college, that's the diet. Cold fast food. Cold fast food is the diet. Not when you're in a suit.

Yeah, especially when these guys, they busted their ass to even win a national championship or whatever. And politics aside, if it were any other circumstance, you have the honor of going to meet the president or whatever and go to the White House.

And then it's like, yo, man, I got it all, though. I got some Wendy's. But I also have some Big Macs. I have quarter pounders, double quarter pounders. Hamburgers were invented in Germany. In Hamburg, Germany. Hey, hey, come on Germany. Hey, come on. Over 1,000 hamburgers, according to the president.

Yeah. Then the morning he tweeted, yeah, 1,000. First he said we have 300. And then somehow that turned to 1,000 hamburgers. So insulted. Hamburgers. Hamburgers. Because of the shutdown, I served them massive amounts of fast food, parentheses, I paid. Over 1,000 hamburgers.

Oh, wow. God. I mean, imagine if you spent a little more money to have it catered right rather than being like i don't know just go get some bullshit yeah fuck them so uh those poor guys i mean like i said it reminds me a lot of uh and i think everyone on the internet of the simpsons episode uh where principal skinner has super nintendo chalmers over for dinner. Superintendent, I hope you're ready for mouth-watering hamburgers. I thought we were having steamed clams. No, no, I said steamed hams. That's what I call hamburgers.

You call hamburgers steamed hams? Yes. It's a regional dialect. Ah, yes. Steamed hams. So anyway. Wait, you guys don't call them steamed hams? No, well. Steamed hams. So anyway. Wait, you guys don't call them steamed hams? No.

Well, that's what we do in Alabama. You don't call hamburgers steamed hams? Steamed hams, yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, Clemson is my favorite college football team because I always root for whoever the fuck is playing Alabama, and they beat the shit out of Alabama. So that was fun. Was it that bad? What do you hate about Alabama?

About Alabama? Yeah. They're just like the Yankees. They're the empire, and they. So that was fun. Was it that bad? What do you hate about Alabama? About Alabama? Yeah. They're just like the Yankees. They're the empire. And they just, I don't know. They have such a huge advantage. Like literally every position on the football field is like they have the number one recruit, basically. I see something in you.

Like this, you know, raised fist towards authority. Yeah, yeah. My black man. I like that. Or my black man. You're an underdog lover. I like that. The black man's razor really changed you.

So all of a sudden yesterday, Trump's party, the grand old party, GOP, Republicans, all of a sudden realized they had a racist in their midst for the first time. Steve King's comments last week, which were just the latest in a long stream of just racist shit that he said. But last week, Steve King said, you know, well, since when is white supremacy a bad word? And suddenly the GOP objected. Yeah, I guess they were like whoa whoa right what was that whoa i haven't heard talk like that from stephen king i mean not since he was

saying uh what he had this quote about i mean there's so many times steve king has made it clear that he's a nazi yeah uh and at best a full-blown racist motherfucker uh and like when they were talking about dreamers one of the quotes he had he said for everyone who's a valedictorian there's another hundred out there who weigh 130 pounds and they got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're behalling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert uh-huh that's so i guess back then they were like no no no steve's steve's just wacky he also doesn't know anything about the human body. Right.

Or working out. It's so aggravating because I think like we laugh at this stuff, but it's almost like this is a guy who's throwing seeds of hate into a field and then we capture him and fire him. But then those seeds are growing. Yeah, right. Like the way Obama inspired little black boys to say, I can be president one day.

He's inspiring little Nazi pieces of shit to say, so can I. Right. It's like the White House is for morality, what the runways of Paris are for fashion. And the way he behaves, I'm scared to see what the next generation of potential politicians is going to be like. No shit, man. I hate these guys. Well, I think that's the thing. The Republican brand is just in terrible shape right now i think a lot of this sudden outpouring like for example

mitt romney somehow is saying like i think he should resign what really is that what it takes who else should resign then my man right uh and then like ted cruz had like a an op-ed or no i meet the press he was like very just very self-righteous about the whole thing kevin mccarthy had like he's like there's no place for this and suddenly they found their morality but again i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the shutdown optics are so terrible that this is just like low-hanging fruit for them to be like oh fuck we can finally do something that like maybe people will actually take as this party being like functional if he does resign would it be a special election to replace yeah

yeah but he's not resigning it's just so stupid too like what you can't white supremacy everything are you the best dancers no are you the best at math no right are you so are you the best at fashion no uh what we're saying is we want to preserve uh western european values uh it's not to say that it's the best at all these things, you know, because Asians are very good at math. Black people are good at jumping and running. But white people are good at culture. We built civilization. We are the best at racism and appropriation.

But it's funny. The only thing that's fake is white as a race. There is no white race. That's true. Hang out with like an Irishman and a guy from Ukraine. They are not the same. Yeah. They'll start arguing about why they're different. White's not a race.

Yeah, clearly the Irishman is the superior of those people. I'll agree with you on that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Yes, sir. But yeah, it was funny too, because like Tim Scott, who is the other senator from South Carolina, not Lindsey Graham. He was saying, he's like, this is a quote from him. He's like, some in our party wonder why Republicans are constantly accused of racism.

It is because of our silence when things like this are said, says the lone black senator in the Republican Party. Man, like you'd hope at some point Tim Scott's going to realize he's on the completely wrong end of the stick here. I mean, what would it take if he hasn't realized? Well, he's constantly exasperated. Like he does say stuff. He's like, yo, there's no place for this kind of shit.

Or like, or even comes out on certain issues where he's the only Republican who's like, uh. And he's literally saying it to a guy who's named after a cracker. Right. His parents named him after Lindsey Graham cracker. Like who would name, like that's how racist they are. They literally named their kid a white slur. Yeah, well, I mean, look, we'll see what they do next.

But, I mean, like, honestly, the bar is so low for Republicans. Like, Mitt Romney, it's funny. Like, him saying that Steve King should resign, I'm like, look at this woke fucking guy suddenly. Right. I don't trust white guys with weird names anymore. No. His origin story as a moral superhero was when Trump passed him up for attorney general.

Right, exactly. And he was like, that's it. I've been humiliated one time too many. Oh, and then didn't he have him for that dinner? Yeah. And he was like, you're going to have the meatloaf. Didn't he pull a super son move on him and just ordered for him? son move on him and just like ordered for him well and there's a lot of speculation that uh putin was like you cannot have mitt romney as your ag right he's just like okay okay you will

have this guy rex tillerson who isn't even a politician right uh you will have exxon mobile yes uh like what the company yep just that re. What a name. His dad loved dinosaurs. Who names their kid Rex? Oedipus' parents? That just means king, right? Isn't Rex that's what Rex means? Yeah, I think so.

So that's just some king shit. So he's like the white version of Malick? Yeah, right. Thank you, king shit. Mr. King Shit. All right, guys. I want to get into the kind of deep dive that the Miami Herald did on Jeffrey Epstein. Just what he did in the state of Florida is mainly their focus. This is the guy who they always said had that plane full of underage women.

He was the owner of Lolita Express that a lot of people found out about during the 2016 election because both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump had flown on it multiple times. Right. And Alan Dershowitz. Yeah. And the rumor was that he would have underage women on this plane, that he would then like allow famous and powerful men to like he would provide them with women now that sounds like one of those fantastical like oh sure i'm sure all the rich and powerful people are super evil but they did a deep dive and man it is worse than you ever imagined uh

this is my worse than a plane of underaged people. Well, it's just more elaborate. Like there's hundreds. He had hundreds of young disadvantaged women who were coming in and out. He would basically offer them $1,000 for a massage would be the premise of it. But then they would come in and be sexually abused by him and his friends. And a deal was struck between Alexander Acosta and Jay Lefkowitz to get the FBI. So the FBI was onto this basically. And they knew there was this like wide stretching- Sex trafficking.

Sex trafficking thing going on. And they got the FBI to accept a plea deal with the idea that they would stop prosecuting him and he would spend 13 months in like a nice jail and you know basically put all this unpleasantness behind him and not only would it be a thing where he like basically was able to have it done with but also it was something called a non-prosecution agreement and it also had what the miami herald calls a very like uncharacteristic or very unusual stipulation in it that any potential co-conspirators who were also involved in epstein's crimes were not allowed to be prosecuted so it was basically like any powerful people who he had involved in any of this shit, like you can't go after them.

That was part of his plea deal. And then he does 13 months in club fed. He does 13 months in club fed and he's out. Oh, it's so infuriating. It's wild, you guys. But yeah, so he would develop these young women who were like really disadvantaged and they would then go out and recruit for him at the local middle schools and high schools and get like other young women to come along.

And like, yeah, they say it's hundreds. One of the women who the Miami Herald interviewed said that she, you know, had sex with Alan Dershowitz, the Fox News pundit and Harvard Law professor multiple times. And Prince Andrew, who is was basically our parents' generation, Prince Harry. He's the younger brother, I think, of Prince Charles. Yeah, it's crazy. She said that also he would have cameras everywhere and he would have these young women have sex with these powerful men and then ask them questions about like what happened and he specifically told this young woman who was like his main go-to person uh for like four or five years until she hit 19 at which point he considered her too old uh but he would have her like report back to him

and she said it was so that he could get these people in his pocket, quote unquote. And it's a mystery to like, nobody really knows how he got so rich. And I was telling Miles, like one of the things that the Miami Herald mentions that they don't really go into detail about, but he was a teacher at a prestigious Upper East Side boarding school where he taught the son of like the CEO of Bear Stearns calculus and then went from that to having an incredible job like managing the wealth of extremely high net worth individuals and it's just like you have to wonder if this dude just compromoted his way like to the top he never did anything except get famous and rich people to have

sex with underage women and then just be like, yo. Exactly. He slept his way to the top, too. He just used someone else's body. Yeah, exactly. So gross. So it's really fucked up. And one of the worst things about that case, like the way they were able to get away with the FBI just looking the other way on this was that they claimed that the children he

had sex with were prostitutes. And that was like how, so basically these young women who were like bringing charges and the FBI was like, no, just wait, just wait. We're about to, we're going to like bring the charges against him. They were like implicated as prostitutes in the plea deal that got him out. But but but hasn't he still committed a crime by having sex with someone that's underage yeah it was like prostitution but he's just like yeah yeah so that's crazy that's why and that's why like it was rumored that alexander acosta might have been the attorney general pick right right and then this like and then they just kind of were like oh look he brokered a really fucked up deal with jeffrey epstein yeah you know i had this crazy

thought the other night like these are people's great they're not just men they're old men yeah these are grandfathers yeah and i did the math the other day on people that are like trump's eight 70 years old right oh they were like at peak male sexuality during the 60s. Yeah. Like at the height of America's sexual peak, they were concerned about their political careers and not being allowed to have sex. It's almost like doctors who didn't have sex during medical school and then they got out and now they're like kind of dorky and go to nightclubs. They're like, look at me now. Now I'm a cool guy.

Right. Like, but you're 42, but these are great. It's almost like, you know, you see these women that have like way too much plastic surgery to hang on to their beauty.

It's like, these guys are trying to hang on to their, to their masculinity in this really distorted. Yeah. And when they were operating in a society that allowed for it. And I mean, then when you have shit like this go down again, like this is the message we're sending to people, which is like, hey, man, look, if maybe you get enough really powerful people entangled in the web, there might be a way to get out of this where you actually don't face any kind of repercussions or actually, you know, experience justice. experience justice yeah but shout out to the miami herald but uh for doing these three sort of deep dive articles but it seems like the impression you get is this is just the beginning

of like if you just keep digging on this dude you're gonna find so many powerful people uh and you know powerful people going out of their way to unfuck his life because they know he has something on them right and just yeah to look into those people who helped him out because- And are those people named at all? Acosta's one of them. Right. There's an attorney general in Palm Beach who basically kept telling the cops, like, back off, back off, back off for no reason that anybody can think of other than, you

know, either Epstein was, like, giving him a lot of money or there was some other compromise. And due to the agreement, none of these people can be, are unfuck withable now. Right. Exactly. They're all unfuck withable now.

And I mean the, I'm looking forward to the New York times or the New Yorker deep dive on this dude, because most of what the detail they have is from his florida life but he spent a lot of time in manhattan he like launched his career in manhattan and supposedly had a bunch of uh really fucked up shit happening in in uh new york city so i'm sure there's going to be uh some really wild investigations it's crazy but. But anyways, yeah, this is, I mean, this is a weird way that my brain works,

but this was my issue with the final episode of True Detective season one. Okay. Because, so- Take a left turn right here. The whole season, they are implicating, like, there are these powerful men who have this sex cult, and they're, like, abusing these young women

and then, like, killing them. And then it ends up being like some weird inbred backwoods monster serial killer and it's like like he's related to that cult but i don't know it just seemed like they for some reason were just like yeah but we don't want to make the bad guy like super like the powerful guy or something, so they just went away from that. It just, it seemed like, you know, Carcosa is real.

It exists out here. Uh, there are like these powerful people, like more people should be talking about that. It's fucking insane. You know what it is though? It's just the context is so hard. It's like when someone says $50 million,

you're like, I can't even, I can't even, I can't picture that. I can't touch it. And the level of evil, like it's funny that you went from a real life story to true detective and i went those are in the same right phylum of evil yeah that's the only place i've conceived of this idea of like a vast cabal of extremely wealthy people who are just like you know taking children

from fucking middle and and high schools and just abusing them and then getting away with it because they have enough money and influence to just sweep that shit under the rug. Well, and I think, yeah, and when you don't actually properly prosecute these people and pursue justice, then it makes it just, it's still nebulous to people because now just think of this as a case where someone copped a simply dealing to 13 months in a cushy prison. is a case where someone copped a simply dealing to 13 months in a cushy prison. It's proof why diversity is so important in places where laws are written and held up to you. Because it's like, ideas are like DNA.

If they're too similar, they come out wonky. Right. You know, like that's why mutts are much healthier than pugs. Right. And these guys are pugs because the scope of advantages and disadvantages is so narrow because they're all the same guy. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, if you need an argument for, you know, keeping the media funded and not just letting us turn everything over to fucking corporations, here you go. All right. We're going to take one last break and we'll be right back. right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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And in some feel-good news guys uh steven spielberg has finally found the maria for his remake of west side story and she's fucking amazing she's just a high school student from i think new jersey and was just found via video audition of her singing the shallows yeah and there's two videos now of her singing the Shallows on the internet that have both given me goosebumps. Yeah. Well, yeah, like, you know, shout out to him for wanting to actually cast people

of a certain ethnicity. This was my underrated. Yeah, right. Unfamous, the talent of unfamous people. I love that he did that. Yo, for West Side Story, I would love to have people of Puerto Rican descent or just the greater Latinx community. And then boom, you find this 17-year-old who's just, it's like one of those things you're like,

wow, that's right. Everybody has a gift in some way. And she's just singing in her bathroom. And yeah, I mean, I only saw one video. You watched two videos of it? of it yeah there's the bathroom one and then there's the one where she's in an empty auditorium and then she ends by going everybody oh that's the bit okay yeah yeah yeah so she'll be playing maria yeah she's gonna be playing maria uh this is my dad randomly my dad's favorite movie uh your dad's favorite movie is west Side Story? It's West Side Story. No way. What? Yeah,

he grew up in the city and so like, and I think it's like, you know, a city movie and just got his inner dancer out, you know? Yeah.

That makes me feel like you got a really cool dad. Yeah, I do actually. Does he dance? Does he cut a rug? No, actually,

yeah, yeah. Or it's like, yeah, cut to you catching him dancing in his bedroom. He's like, get out! You're like, Dad? He doesn't dance like he's in West Side Story, but he's a good dancer.

He's a good dancer for a 60-something like that. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. He just loves Bob Fosse. Yeah, exactly. So Hulu dropped a sneak attack on Netflix. Fucking sneak sucker punched them. So I think I talked maybe months ago when Netflix for a while has been promoting a documentary about Fyre Festival.

The terrible, terrible millennial hellscape slash luxury music festival that was supposed to happen in 2017. Ja Rule was behind it along with this other guy, Billy McFarlane. I don't know if you remember, there was like the wild advertisement commercial for it that had like people like Kendall Jenner in it. And she was like, oh, and like the headliners are going to be good music and like Major Lazer, Blink-182, Migos, Lil Yachty. People were like, oh my God. Oh, good music.

Like Kanye's label. G-O-O-D. Not just like good music. No, no, no. Yeah, the good music family. And a lot of people were like so into it. People were buying all the

tickets and things. There were like villas for $25,000 you could rent. Crazy. And then, I don't know if you remember, they show up and it was FEMA tents and it was nothing like what they advertised because the whole thing was basically just a gigantic scam. Reminds me of a of a bumble experience i had one time you're like this is great what your face is a fever tent

this is what i saw online so you know a lot of people were like this was a huge thing i think all millennials were talking about it because it was also like a moment for people to just rejoice in the pain of wealthy millennials being like we're in the bahamas and this thing sucks and we're like the internet was like so yes everybody was looking forward to this netflix documentary cut to monday hulu just goes hey just so you know we have a fire festival documentary that's feature length also and it's out right now so netflix is is supposed to come off this friday no this friday two days yeah so it's supposed to come out on friday and then hulu just on monday goes here's

this one out of the fucking blue okay you know what i don't like that behavior well i'm a little tired of it like when the verizon guy switched to the other phone companies sprint i'm like you know what i don't like you i don't like you i don't like the way you do business no loyalty if you want to beat net, make a better documentary. Don't just be like this shitty- Well, here's the deal. Is it better? You think it's better?

No, the plot thickens like the Dickens. I like thick plots. Reminiscent of Charles. Reminiscent of Charles. Thank you, Andre. So this whole documentary is really good. It's made by these Peabody Award winning journalists. It's a Hulu one.

Yeah, and it's great because they're also talking about the effect of the genius, I Really good. It's made by these Peabody Award winning journalists. It's a Hulu one. Yeah. And it's great because they're also talking about the effect of the genius, I guess, of this grifter, Billy McFarlane, is that he knew that getting celebrities to just sort of sign on to shit or just appear at things just lent an air of legitimacy to these things. And he had other businesses before. He had this fake ass credit card that was made of metal. It was like, it's the black card for millennials. And he had Ghostface Killa and Rick Ross show up at his parties. And people were writing it up positively.

They're like, oh my god, what's this thing about? And he knew how to create buzz. So this also kind of goes into the celebrity worship and FOMO aspects of millennial culture. So true. That they really sort of exploited as well. In addition to it, they also talk about, you know, that Instagram account, Fuck Jerry, that's everybody's into that meme account. How basically it's also this other thing, Jerry Media now is just this basic,

it's like a marketing firm, you know what I mean? And they had a huge hand in promoting the festival on social media up until days before, even though they knew this shit wasn't going to happen, they were still being like, hey, you guys ready? You guys ready for the greatest thing in your life? And there's even a guy who used to work for Jerry Media who's giving interviews. And at the end, they basically sort of throw shade

at the Netflix thing by saying like, oh, well, at least this documentary is an executive produced by Vice and Jerry Media. So they're like, we're giving you the real, real. And he's like, just so you know, that Netflix one, one of the executive producers is someone who's caught up in this shit. Now I like that. And the other is Vice.

Yeah. Which, I don't know, man. I mean, the person who's directing that one is the dude who did the Jim Carrey, Andy Kaufman. Yes, thank you, Anna. I mean, like, I'm sure that documentary is going to be good, but that's the thing I think the Hulu thing is trying to show you, is that, like, are they really going to tell you all the dimensions

of what went into this thing being, like, this sort of phenomenon? Do you think they might pull it? I don't know. Because if it really, if it, like, imagine, it's almost like being a comic and then somebody going up and doing a bit just like a bit you're going to do doing it better right and you're like am i gonna do that bit right right or should i not even do it right or yeah exactly or that's a baller move that was big i mean it back in last april there was like rumor that like people knew that hulu was working

on this thing but there was no like timeline or whatever but there was like oh there's there's like a fire fest they had to be aware of it then netflix had to like right at least consider unless you know like because i think these journalists were behind it or just more serious documentarians were like maybe this is a way we can get ahead of this netflix thing i don't know it's so fucking petty i love it because it really does sort of like tinge the way you look at the netflix one of course um and the other the thing that the Hulu documentary has over the Netflix one is they actually have this guy, Billy McFarland, before he went to jail,

because right now he's doing a six-year stretch for wire fraud. Before the Fyre Festival. Yeah, because he was claiming he was paying vendors by faking wire transfers and things like that and the millions of dollars. So he's in jail for that. But they have actual, he's on wax talking about it too. And you can kind of see how he thinks

because he's never really, like, cops to, like, scamming people. He's like, you know, like, we really wanted to do it and we really tried and it just, like, wasn't coming together. But, you know. It's crazy. I feel like social media, we keep forgetting how new social media is. I feel like social media is like when we first discovered fire. Like a whole lot of people lit themselves on fire by accident yeah right and i'm like that's what these cats are doing you know they're just it's such a dummy thing to do like

you know you're gonna get caught there's proof it exists they can have tangible proof of this yeah this guy's such a dummy yeah people compare it to the printing press but yeah the printing press wasn't just like immediately spreading like from one coast to the next. Like, you know, I mean, the printing press was pretty important. I guess I don't want to shit on the fire versus the printing press. Well, social media versus printing press. Okay. Who would win the fight?

Fire or the printing press? Movable type or sparks? Right. But, you know, again, this is all part of the streaming wars. You know what I mean? Like, there's some dirty shit, you know, they like to undercut each other. I think what's genius, though, too, is Hulu just kept their mouth shut and, like, kind of rode the Netflix marketing wave of being like, oh, shit, a fire. That's right.

That disaster. And then, like, right when people are, like, really, I think they did it right as the embargo was lifted on the Netflix thing. So so it's all just like planned out to a t to be like boom here's ours it'll happen it feels like there's a copy of art of war with a page bookmarked at offices you know what i mean right that was like strategic like in a military way yeah right i think that's what'll make viewing the netflix thing very interesting what was something you learned from the documentary that you didn't know heading in jesus ah i mean that jaw rules a total douche no yeah i thought he ruled i know no there's like a couple times where he does like this toast like you hear him do it like multiple times in the documentary where like they're partying and he's like here's to living like movie stars partying like rock stars and having sex like porn stars and like you see him do that whole sequence

once and then they cut to another moment when he's doing a cheers with someone and you just hear him start off he's like here's to living like movie stars oh no Ja Rule is just in just a disaster waiting to happen I mean there's a lot know, I guess it's not that good. I don't want to, I don't want to give away. There's not like, there isn't much to like give away, but it's just interesting.

Cause like, you know, a lot of these things to be true. Cause they're just like, clearly they didn't have these acts. Clearly they didn't have the money to put it together. We all knew that like from all the write-ups about fire festival, like what was going on.

I think the interesting thing is knowing like just how hard this guy billy mcfarland was like just trying to scheme and scam his way through things and like using one scam to pay for the past one and then the past one and then you realize like how that just snowballed into this just look who they're stealing from too that's what makes me it's it's like they're upside down robin hoods they're hood robbers like they're getting money from just kids and just people that have like well for fire island there was they were wealthier obviously but compared to them right they still were taking money from people that make less than they do i mean let's face it those kids were not living like movie stars yeah partying like poor stars baby what a good line. You got to reuse it.

It's like the Shania Twain story in I Heart Huckabees. But yeah, when you see this group of them, the people involved, it's just this motley crew of Ja Rule, this other guy who's the CFO of Billy's company, who's a maniac. I would just say watch them. They're worth watching. If you're interested at all in that disaster fire festival, they're worth watching if you're interested at all in that that disaster fire festival i wonder if being at fire festival will be this generation's woodstock because it is like

getting scammed by social media is the universal experience for our generation so do you want to admit no but you also this generation of media has sucked whereas like woodstock was dope and it was everybody went and like celebrated the thing that that generation is known for which is like free love and rock and roll and this generation it's getting scammed by social media and buying into fucking influencers yeah we you know i think people are pretty are circumspect enough to realize we got fucked yeah part of me, yeah. Like when I saw those people, like they're like, you can hear that when they're pulling up, like they're like, we're supposed to be on a private jet.

And it was like, and we get picked up by a school bus. And then it's like when they pull up to the festival site, which is just a parking lot basically. Yeah. You can hear people crying because they're realizing what happened and part of me is like yes i love this like part of it is like a giant episode of punked yeah right you know what i mean and also like you're and it's hard for me to be like oh you were chasing this fucking dream that is a fucking illusion and you're only there because you wanted to snap

your selfies because you thought you're gonna be part partying with Bella Hadid and all that shit. Right. Later. But only the hippiest hippies showed up at Woodstock and only like the, whatever this generation is, is of that generation showed up at this thing. You know why Woodstock was great is because back then music kept corporations out. Well, you couldn't be like a great,

you couldn't be like Bob Dylan and then be like, hello, I'm Bob Dylan for The Gap. Yeah. And now they can't. That shit was going on below the surface to the point that Woodstock was organized by Madison Avenue. Sure, that's true. But I mean, the level of – like, look at Beyonce.

Beyonce, one minute, she's like the Black Panther fist at the Super Bowl. And the next day, she's promoting Pepsi. Yeah. Like a sugary drink that hurts the black community. Yeah. I'm like, it's so trans, you could see it now as before you had to dig. Right, yeah. Well, yeah, because now it's just about getting that money.

That's right. By any means. Yeah, exactly. There's no, that's, yeah, anyway, I think when I even think about artists who are like, yeah, man, we're trying to change everything, and like this structure needs to change, and I'm like, oh, my tour brought to you by aeg right yeah yeah you know i heard a comic say a new comic say something that legitimately made my stomach turn he goes i'm gonna get he goes hey man i really loved your set i think you're a great comic i'm like thank you he's i'm doing

it different though bro i'm like what are you doing he's i'm gonna get famous then i'll get good uh and my head exploded was he joking he was that's what was happening like i just sat there like the spinning wheel on my back like going is this real or not really for him to laugh and then when he got serious my my heart just broke a little bit i'm like i don't like this person i don't want to be around this person i walked away famous then okay wow you know people feel like that sometimes. Well, and I think because the examples they see are people who are famous first because fame is the achievement. Right.

And rather than an achievement bringing you fame. Exactly. And I think that's the thing. There's a de-emphasis on skill and talent now and just notoriety. But when I stopped getting mad, it's a legit methodology. I mean, it's a legit strategy for some people now. It can work for some people. Sure.

I think if their bottom line, if their end game is just simply to be famous rather than i think you know i think real artists though they have longer careers because they have a craft and they're honing that and they're mastering it amen you just made me feel better yeah fuck out of here you know what i mean you're gonna get famous off this we're getting all famous off this podcast i like when people get famous i just like to know more about how they got famous. Right. Yeah, sure. How it matters.

How it needs to matter more. When I think you just, you gotta pursue something a little more meaningful, man, because that fame shit is fleeting. You know what I mean? I think that's what makes me a little worried about people like that

because I'm like, what happens when that shit goes? It's like cocaine or any other drug. The high is too short. Right. So I got famous because I was discovered by this talent manager Jeffrey Epstein

have you heard of him he's have him uh Tamer it's been a pleasure having you thanks so much

for having me on I'm a big fan of the show and I love it so thanks for having me I had a great time thank you thanks for thanks for being here

is there a place people can find you online yeah absolutely tamerkitan.com is where you can find you online? Yeah, absolutely. Tammerkatan.com is where you can find me for all things comedy. And I also have a podcast called They Tried to Bury Us where we interview an immigrant every week and they tell us their American origin story. Oh, nice.

And yeah, that's at Tammerkat on Instagram, at Tammerkatan on Twitter. Awesome. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. Mark Norman is one of my favorite writers and there is this, uh, it was actually a retweet, which I liked because it was a counterpunch instead of a punch. And the counterpunch was, it was this guy, it was this cooking trick. And it said, if you chew gum while you cut onions, you won't cry. And Mark Norman wrote, that's a tactic i utilize during sex

is that even true though i think it is true if you chew gum i do yeah i always used to cut it by an open flame because i hear it's like when you cut it it releases something in the onion that gets into the air and then you inhale that and cry but i'm wondering how the chewing counteracts that i used to do it while wearing swim goggles in the nude. Oh, great. But oddly, I still cry. It's like I bring the people I'm cooking with to tears. I worked at a Benihana.

Miles, where can people find you? Yo, Benny, I was just laughing at somebody who I know, who I'm not even going to put on blast, but I think their Instagram stories are so fucking basic and not that mine are any good but one of my pieces of evidence

was that like they were at Benihana and they did the onion volcano part where they put the steam in and they were like yo

and I was like come on fam the onion volcano of Benihana like you've just seen it's like this is the death comedy jam celebration

this is the dopest part of the whole fucking thing anyway you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray a tweet I like is from

Alan Strickland Williams at totally Alan says wait there's a hill we can die on I fucking love that couple tweets damn it Carl

Carl Tart I gotta shout him out for pointing out that those fast food burgers are not good cold. He said, how long did Trump have the McDonald's set up before the guests arrived? Those burgers aren't good cold. If he serves the Clemson team cold quarter pounders, I honestly can't support him anymore. Right on. Yes.

Good. And Steve at Extra Napkins. Steve, in quote, quote, happy ending is when at the end of the massage, the masseuse reaches down and snaps your neck, killing you. And you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on, Miles. What is that going to be? Okay, we're going to do this track by Ty Siegel called My Ladies on Fire. And just get into this, baby. That sounds terrible. It sounds like what Tamara was talking about when we first discovered fire.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, social media can do that, so please be careful. But yes, this is Ty Siegel. My Lady's On Fire. All right. We are going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast, and we'll talk to you then. Bye.

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