The Daily Zeitgeist - Olympic Scold, How About Empathy? 4.23.21

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

In episode 894, Jack and Miles are joined White Homework's Tori Williams Douglass to discuss transgender bills in North Dakota and more, Italians skipping work yet still getting paid, the IOC banning any form of protest during the Olympics, police reform that works, a streaming update, and more!FOOTNOTES: Governor vetoes North Dakota transgender sports bill Italian ‘king of absentees’ allegedly skipped work for 15 years IOC bans athletes from taking a knee and podium protests at Tokyo Olympics An Alternative to Police That Police Can Get Behind Camden police reboot is being misused in the debate over police reform Another Black man was killed by police. Meaningful reform is long overdue. LISTEN: The Books - Tokyo [Official Music Video] Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Never Working Too Hard. My name is Jack, you ought to know by now. Yeah, and he's trading in his Chevy. My name's Jack, you ought to know by now. That's courtesy of Billy Joel

and my stupid brain. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Just taking it back a little. Just get a little emotional really quick, because I know, Jack, you thought about going to New York City. I did.

I just want to tell you to rethink that. Uh-oh. Hey there, Jack O'Bee. Please don't move to New York City. Those bike lanes don't exist yet. And their governor is shitty. Yes, it's true. All Miss Potushy reads with you.

And talking too. Said, oh, we're hosting TDZ. Oh, we're hosting TDZ. Oh, these don't go. Shout out to the brew on Discord. Shout out to Damar from Plain White Teas,

who I know follows the show. I see you, Damar. I've never sang an AKA. Potentially have the artists involved to hear. So if tomorrow you're listening. Shout out to you. Yeah. You didn't know?

TLC listens. Chili. T-Boss? Yeah, T-Boss still. Still Zyke Gang. For real? I don't know why they popped to mind. Have we done an AKA with them?

That was your one. You're like, i hope chili and t-boss listen tlc uh yeah and billy joel also big zike gang yeah well he always emails us and he's like guys i don't get what you guys are talking about ever and we're like yeah don't worry about it's not for you yeah he's super drunk. But one of my favorite comedians, his in-between song, Drunken Ramblings, got him. I think he came to my college when I was still there. And it was like an infamous disaster where he was like so drunk and just like spent the whole time talking. He like played TV songs. Yeah. Shout out to Billy Joel. Okay, Billy.

Billy. Billy. Fucking Billy. Shout out to Rosie Perez for giving us that way of saying Billy. Two great first names, Billy and Joel. Yeah. Yeah. He doubles up.

All right. Miles, we are thrilled. We are fortunate to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented Tori Williams-Douglas! Hooray! Oh my god. Thank you, you guys. I'm so excited.

Thank you for coming back. You know? I'm so flattered. Oh, it's... All it takes is one appearance we knew we said toward it's a regular it's a regular thing now and you even you're traveling and you still found time you're where are you right now i'm in i'm in minneapolis right now yeah oh shit okay yeah by coincidence or because of the verdict um i was coming i was planning on coming here i didn't know that the verdict would i thought that the verdict would, I thought that the verdict would be,

I thought that they were going to deliberate for a long ass time and they apparently didn't. So we all saw that video. Okay. But like the New York times said that one of the women on the, like one of the jurors is like some all lives matter, bullshit, whatever. And I was just, I was like, I don't feel like this is necessarily going to go well so yeah even before that i was like this is a trial involving

a white officer killing a black man i'm like this is not going to go well right but i think the weird form of relief that everyone felt was very odd what was that how was it like being there uh when that happened i mean i like people were tense at first i think and then everybody was like it took a minute to process right it took it took everybody on a minute like we all it was like oh my god like that it actually it actually happened like it actually right and then of course everybody was like well this is not proof that the system works and it's not everything sucks everything so we're good here energy uh not yeah we won right we won we won one round. Oh, God. We won. Oh, my God.

Were there people who knew before other people? Because I feel like LA shut down. It seemed like LA knew a verdict was coming. The LA City, I don't know, police, I guess. You mean, well, they knew the day before that they would begin to liberate. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if that's like on police. They all have their own social media. They're like, hey, y'all, you guys have an eye on your angry people.

We already know how it's going to go. Your people who are sitting in justice. No, the governor or the state legislature here in Minnesota set aside like $9 million or something for the National Guard. So I don't think that they knew how it was going to go at all right oh yeah for sure they didn't know how it was going to go i think they were surprised i think it's more just that the preemptive they're like oh y'all got set up for that real quick when you found out there was going to be a verdict being read right yeah yeah yeah immediately yeah they're like the fuck? I think one of the robots from Pacific Rim came out from the fucking Santa Monica Pier to fight the people of the city. Just in case.

I'm like, where did y'all get that? They're like, oh, our new budgets. We have Pacific Rim. No, no, no new budgets. No police new budgets. No, you guys don't do your jobs already. Okay. Here's an idea.

Here's an idea. Rather than police, a gigantic fucking robot that could destroy an entire city is the police just one right but the potential to just randomly steps on people so there's that like lottery thing where people just are randomly sacrificed for the good of the hey but then there's only one with no logic yeah i don't know yeah anyway i don't know this is like very godzilla-y to me what's the like mech godzilla uh person yeah mech godzilla whatever yeah i uh that's how i feel about that i'm uh about a lot of destruction mecha two-fifths of the way through uh

kong vs godzilla so i am an expert on uh what you speak of and uh two fifths of the way two fifths of the way uh almost there wow I kept shushing my kids I kept shushing I was like you have to leave like you have to go right now sending them out of the room I was like I need to watch this well I started watching Manc and I couldn't get through uh I I watch movies mainly while i'm running on the treadmill and that's confusing i'm like you know what would get me ready for a good run mank mank would really uh pump me up uh it was not good uh it's it's that uh like you know celebration of white privilege type attitude where this dude's just like haha i'm drunk all the time i've gotten like all these amazing jobs that should have gone to people who aren't white men necessarily or who have earned something or have ideas and i just stay drunk all the time and do

nothing um haha but i'm but i say clever stuff um i was i was out on manc pretty quickly kong vs godzilla though pretty pretty cool pretty cool man i gotta still watch it yeah i want to watch it i watched it the way it's intended to be watched on a phone uh while the sixers game was going on in the background yeah so like watching maybe a third of the frames of the quarter of the movie that i've actually watched uh so yeah on a tiny screen how does your brain still operate like splitting the attention in so many different like directions because like i get too stressed out just watching the sixers play right especially without i see two of their self-medicating with godzilla yeah just watching right right watching people get stomped

anyways uh what a cast by the way congress godzilla that's where that's where the acting talent is going is uh yeah to just be like i think the center of the earth is hollow. That's a big hot point. Hollow earthers don't need more. They don't need more motivation. They don't need inspiration. This is the best propaganda hollow earthers have had since...

Ever. Probably ever. Like mainstream. There was a president who was trying to fund a literal journey to the center of the earth. But that was, I think, I think Reagan. No, it was like a Reagan thing, actually.

It's like turn of the century, like early 20th century. We got to get to the bottom of this. I'm just saying, have you been down there? You don't know. Yeah. Have you seen it? Have you fought the mole people with your bare hands? Because my uncle has, and he doesn't lie. There's also a sun down there, apparently't know. Yeah. Have you seen it? Have you fought the mole people with your bare hands? Because my uncle has and he doesn't lie.

There's also a sun down there apparently. Yeah. It has its own light source. Oh, I love that. I love the science of whatever that is. There's also a sun down there. Oh, is there? Miles? Alright, Tori, we're going to get to know you

a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about uh we are gonna talk about the brave north dakota governor who vetoed his state's anti-trans bill um and why he decided to find courage all of a sudden we'll talk about It wasn't the threat of lawsuits. Well, just spoiler alert. No, no. It wasn't that. Yeah, it was just his... who he is. Yeah. His internal sense of justice. He's a Republican?

Come on, Jack. I mean, it's North Dakota. Scratch that. Scratch that. But also, I mean, who knows? In this day and age, who knows, really? Yeah. Both fuckers are all on the kind of... They're just on different parts of the same fucked up page. Yep. We'll talk about a legend from Italy.

Let's just leave it at that. Italian legends. Yeah. Achieved greatness. And we'll talk about how they went about that. We'll talk about the IOC. Not the group of stand-up individuals that we always thought. Literally, they're banning kneeling and other protests at the Tokyo Games.

We will talk about just kind of ongoing. I want to look at alternatives to the current version of policing. I want to look at this Cahoots program in Eugene and take another look at the Camden police abolition, because that story is a little bit more complicated than people think, but kind of still makes the same point that we should abolish and replace the police. But before we get to any of that, Tori, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay, so my entire search history today has been trying to figure out my technology i don't know why but like none of my shit works like apparently like laptop headphones mic

it's just all in the fritz so today i'm just on the technology struggle bus and i believe i will probably remain here for the duration of my trip. Well, we sorted it, though. We did okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the TDZ magic that helped it happen. That's really what pulled it all together. It was all of us collectively being silent, panicking, being like,

I don't know, maybe they restarted. I don't know. Like, maybe. Oh, is that your tooth? Yeah. So, that know. Like, maybe. Oh, is it YouTube? Yeah. So, that's me in a nutshell. Do you have a technology ghost, like, that follows you around? Do you have tech issues?

We have a, I'm not going to say who, but one of the hosts of one of the shows on our, out of our studio like literally believes they have a technology ghost and then our experience with them has suggested it's probably not a technology ghost as much as them being bad at technology but um isn't that kind of the same thing though you're just yeah haunted by the fact that you don't know what the hell you are doing yeah Yeah. And I, I've had that before where like, I am immediately like on guard. And every time something bad, something goes wrong with a piece of technology, I'm like this fucking thing again, you know,

this ghost. So it's you. Damn ghost. How are we such boomers already? You guys like, what the hell? Oh, it's because I'm in my mid sixties.

Well, other than that. Right. Right. Well, other than that. Right, right. Well, it's because I was born in 1954. I was too. That's one of the things. That's one of the reasons. Oh, my God.

54. My dad worked for Apple for over a decade. And so I'm used to having standby used to having like standby tech assistance, like a phone call. Sure. Sure. Oh, wow.

You have the reverse. You have the reverse of everybody else where you call your parents for tech support. The tech Casper, the friendly ghost. Casper, the friendly ghost, AKA my dad.

Tori, what is something you think is overrated something that i think is overrated right now um i'm really i'm really struggling with this because i'm just i'm in such a like bad like dark spot with all of the policing so i'm gonna say policing no that's overrated yeah Yeah. It's like, okay. So I'm sure you talked about this, but like the Capitol police requested like a bajillion more dollars because their tech, hey, again, is not up to par. And that's the reason why the insurrection happened and all of their like whiny bullshit excuses. I'm just not here for any of that.

And like, who else gets to say, I suck at my job objectively. Please look at my data. This is the results that I'm giving you. And $100 million more dollars? Yeah. Let's do that. You know what would fix this?

$100 million. More money. Well, the thing was, I don't know if you saw, I know that the auditor or that audit of what happened said we haven't even been trained on equipment we bought three years ago the manufacturers told us we needed training on and that's why we became white supremacists that sympathize with the insurrection on january 6th and then let everybody in your honor okay like it's truly some shit where you're like yo you you couldn't have fucked that up more

you know and you're like need more money need more money we're not supposed to take selfies with the people who are armed and trying to overthrow well you know my camp my phone was broken so i had to use theirs i did not have that specific training um right you know what i was just thinking about was you know as the police are like oh who's gonna respond to like these armed conflicts or like armed criminals who are intent on pulling off a crime i was thinking of the north hollywood shootout and you know that is the the basis for heat and just like kind of reading back over news stories from the time and it's what like i i think i have underestimated the media's role in like this whole police and police military

industrial state because that shootout was like fun for the local news that was big rate huge ratings and the stories covering it at the time are go from you know there were 2 000 rounds fired in a public place eight uh civilians were harmed and the the response is well the the police just need bigger guns yeah you know what this is let me tell you something my display name on Twitter, Hideo Noho. Okay. Because I'm from fucking North Hollywood. Exactly. I was in school.

The fucking bank they robbed up the street from my school. And we had to fucking lay down because you could hear all the gunfire from the shootout. And the story was the cops don't have enough assault rifles so they had to go to b b and b guns in van eyes and buy all their assault rifles so they could fight fire with fire and yeah it was like the way the news was treating it was like it was almost that point where car chases were big baby we love a car chase you know we love more seeing somebody a body armor squeezing off a fucking chopper at a bunch of cops and then showing like when this you. I remember on the news we had the shit on like the rolling cart TV because we're like, is this shootout going to get near our school? And we saw the guy get killed when he was walking down the street from the helicopter.

We're like, yo, teachers like, OK, we got to turn this turn this off right like you just saw that dude get domed from a helicopter uh maybe this isn't good tv but yeah that's it's just one of those things too it's like what the what was that for it was like it's like suddenly everyone became those money yeah right everyone became john mclean and shit and they're like oh no you, you're not getting away with however much money they had. Right. With money. Why fire the first shot at them? Your money.

It's just money. You think you can steal that money? I mean, that's... This was so scary. Yeah, I think either on this show or the Crack crack podcast we talked about like the sort of sea change that people are trying to get to happen around car chases like you mentioned right and just like just let them go just fucking let them go like you you'll you'll figure it out

at a later time and it all comes back to that fucking broken windows policing where it's like, if they, if we don't catch them now and it, and it's just complete junk science, it's complete bullshit. Yeah. It has no basis in reality because all of the data that we have shows that

over policing for small crimes leads to an uptick in bigger crimes, right? Because people are desperate and they're trying to escape whatever situation they're in that they don't have resources for yeah it doesn't work it's it actually makes us less safe but you know whatever the cops are the good guys i guess yeah yeah i mean that's i think the only thing we can just keep hammering away on for people who don't understand is like we have to redefine what crime is or people need to begin to rethink what crime is rather than like there's nasty motherfuckers

out there that are trying to get you and we need the boys in blue rather than like we have failed in entire segments of the population and it's incredible because no option this crime has been going down right like crime's been going down since the 90s early 90s yes and it has nothing to do with policing yep like crime would have gone down regardless so i think that like but they keep advocating for like this whole we need this infusion of cash because we need to put all of these people in prison for you know however long and it's but there's this nerd that's i don't know the fox news narrative of black lives matter is going to come to your house and knock down your door and shoot you in your bed because we care

about like random or antifa whoever it is because that's what we do to civil rights leaders right exactly oh i mean that's right that's what that's the civil rights leaders. Right. Exactly. Oh, I mean. That's the internalized white supremacy and knowing the evil of it, knowing that there's an evil there and like not being able to reconcile that and knowing, OK, this is what we do. So if we accuse them of doing that, then it'll resonate. And that'll. I think that they can't see us as anything but the inverse of themselves. Right. No, absolutely. You know?

Yeah. Absolutely. That's why everything to do with any kind of liberation of black people or any oppressed group is about this inversion of power that they think is inherent. Yeah, it's black supremacy, quote-unquote. Right? If they're not on top, then we are on top.

Yep. There are two movies that are nominated for oscars that talk about uh the assassination of fred hampton and sure enough the one by aaron sorkin like they say it's an assassination but they also say that he was like shot in the shoulder and therefore like couldn't have shot back at the police, he was knocked out by a drug cocktail. It's just wild that that isn't front and center. They drugged him and he was passed out in his bed when

they shot him in the back of the head. Yeah, I like sorkin'. Sorkin' the boot. Yeah. I don't care what that shit. What is something you think is underrated tori wearing your mask over your goddamn nose yeah like it's been a year and people still are like masks no we don't know how they work how does air work how does breathing work yeah it's that little bit of rebellion

you know what i mean when you got the it's not all connected it doesn't all just connect right here yeah yeah yeah just here but it's always i love seeing the old old timer old dudes who it's the that's the hottest trend in older guy fashion is the i'm gonna let my i'm gonna fucking sag my mask like the kids sag their pants. It's like, come off the fuck on, really. And it always is these older men who I see doing it like in this very much like, like I get I'm only doing it because you think so, but I'm showing you I'm putting myself at risk visibly because I don't, because I'm a man or whatever the fuck that means. Can't do it.

Can't do it. I just, I don't want masks to go away personally so i would like to continue wearing masks during flu season when we're in public that's that's a that's a fine fine idea especially as we're we're seeing variants pop up all over the place and completely don't have an absolute handle on it and i think what's so weird is there's like a group of people who are just trying to like triangulate like what the final answer is on masks immediately as possible right we gotta get rid of i mean can we get rid of them now i mean we got vaccines i mean like there's these studies that says like it's like yeah i i get that but as a as just a common practice

it's it stands to benefit us more than anything and if And if you feel like your face is hot, then just go to your places where you can have your mask off. But fuck it, in your public, who gives a shit? Go outside. Go outside. If it's really like, yeah, I don't get it. But I think that I'm a big masks person now. I can't believe I let people for like 36 years of my life,

I let other people breathe on me. Oh, yeah. Which I'm pretty for like 36 years of my life. I let other people breathe on me. Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure is a violation of my constitutional rights. So I need everybody to be masked. Yeah, right. See, that's what we need to do is hit the anti maskers with our own set of constitutional rights. Be like, actually, no, under the Constitution. And they're like, oh, shit.

Normally, I'm just dealing with some liberal. They've never read it it so they don't know i hope they wouldn't know what the constitution bigger okay oh you know the constitution say it out loud for memory right now that's what i thought and then you just have an earwig on and someone can just like read you the constitution so you can be like oh can you just quote it yeah oh i absolutely can recite the constitution um here we go we the people the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for more common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

Look, I can keep going. That's the way I do it. I can. I can do this forever, you guys. I can do this forever. I know the Constitution. I know the Constitution. You merely play in it.

So good. So good. I was born in the Constitution you merely play in it so good so good i was born in the constant i really want comedians i want to see that bit is lying harder back to an anti-masker idiot about the constitution right and just to just to see where that goes because honestly if it's if it's down to confidence i think a solid witty person could just fucking destroy someone like that very quickly. And they're just going to walk away in the end. They're not going to say, okay,

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North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum has vetoed the anti-trans sports bill that solved zero problems in youth sports. And I mean, his reasoning seems, I don't know, like sound like did they just suddenly catch logic? Well, what happens is are they not wearing their mask? He toes it and says North Dakota. This is a quote from the governor. Quote, North Dakota has fairness in girls and boys sports in large part because of the caring and thoughtful leadership of the North Dakota High School Activities Association Board and its members we have every confidence they will continue to ensure

a level a level playing field for more for the more than 27 000 students who participate in high school sports it was look they knew they're about to get hit the state was going to get hit with so many lawsuits right it wasn't it's just a it because it's such a clear discriminatory bill they're like fuck i don't have the energy for this. They're like, fuck it. And plus they already have, there's current regulations right now that would allow for transgender youth to participate if they have undergone hormone treatments. But that is, that's completely misses the mark about how little or how few trans youth are even have the means or access to that kind of treatment.

So it's like all right you're already putting up a block in front of it rather than just saying yo the kids are kids i don't fucking play gives a shit right what's this fucking you saw what you saw ladybugs and your your mind's all fucked up legit i think that's what's happening because jonathan brandis played on rodney dangerfield's soccer team in the early 90s and now you think that's what's happening. Because Jonathan Brandis played on Rodney Dangerfield's soccer team in the early 90s. And now you think that's what's going to happen. You saw Joanna man or some other dumb fucking thing. And you think that's real life.

Come the fuck on. So, yeah, there are other bills, too. We're talking about Texas. There was another one that was big, big discriminatory, you know, slow motion genocide energy from that bill to redefine child abuse uh then florida as well those look like they have a much steeper hill to climb but we we said even from the beginning that especially with texas that bill was marched out to basically be like so fucked up that immediately like okay so we'll shift to a more you know quote reasonable bill to then you know pass some more

discriminatory shit but i mean even here they're taking the stand on the sports bill and not the i i don't know if they have plans to introduce the one that is basically genocidal uh that restricts like access to health care but it seems like you know they're choosing picking and choosing their battle and being shrewd the way they always are with yeah i mean it's just like you're at a restaurant and then you're like what's the special they're like oh we have um human diarrhea in a bowl would you like that and they're like oh my god get the fuck away what kind of places i'm sorry i was joking i was joking we have very stale french fries and it seems like such a good trade-off yeah and you're like oh okay because the first

thing they offered us was diarrhea so i'll take this other thing that is also subpar not fresh not worthy you know what i mean it's just a stupid overton window nonsense they're trying i think that what's really interesting about this because in the 90s the big thing was was gay marriage right and and and gay rights anything right anything and that was what they chose to kind of weaponize right like alongside abortion that was kind of like their wedge issue was we have to you know so they put they put all this money into all these campaigns in different states all across the country of like you have every state is going to like change their constitution to say that marriage is between one man and one woman and that's it and it was like this kind of panic thing and then all of a sudden of course like a couple states utah did it i don't know

who all did it i'm not sure oregon didn't pass it but other people wanted it to pass here but like yeah so that was like their thing they're putting all of this money in and then like the supreme court goes okay hey well no never mind you can they gay people can get married i'm sorry you have a sad about that but so once they lost that they were like we have to weaponize something else who's the most marginal group of people marginalized group of people we can go after and obviously it's something else who's the most marginal group of people marginalized group of people we can go after and obviously it's trans children because children have no rights like cis children have zero rights in this country already right and so that's like this is like their thing and if at

some point we get like legislation like federal law protecting trans children they're just they're gonna find they're gonna try to find something else even a weirder yeah this is this is their mo right and they're gonna make everything in the sense of like they're gonna go more niche to or not more niche but rather just like because they're trying to find these sort of like last stops of like culture exactly right black people and then people like nah most people are not thinking like that anymore fine gay people what if they got married and people like what no i know this is this is not real and that's like okay uh trans people and now we're at a point where more more than i think most people are have know a trans person or are aware of what a trans person is that we people are all human

beings and now that that's where they wait it's gonna be like um fucking uh the older harry potter fans that's fucking weird isn't it and like what the fuck what are y'all left with now it's like the culture wars they they just have to have something so that they can get all of the other stuff all the other legislation that they want through right so they have to have like the big thing that they're using to distract everybody and then meanwhile they're trying to also pass legislation that says that like yeah anybody can buy a gun even if they've been whatever right that's literally unspeakable you can't justify it in words so you get to just they they distract from that so they don't have to have that conversation.

Right. And it's just this idea of like the traditional family, which is propaganda. That term is political propaganda. Hey, raise your hands if a traditional family fucked you up mentally. Like, oh, everybody. 100%. The fuck does that mean? 100%.

The tradition of scarring you emotionally. So there's like, we have to maintain this. Like, this is a line. We have to hold the line because once America, American-ness in their minds, like white evangelicals, especially American-ness and whiteness, like they kind of overlap. Like you can be American and not white, but Americanness, like, Tucker Carlson has this whole thing, like, his whole replacement theory thing that he's doing right now. But it's like, if the majority of Americans were non-white people, at least people on the right seem to think that it would not be America anymore. Right. Even if we kept the Constitution, even if we kept all the same laws same laws like they feel like whiteness is fundamental to americanness and specifically white people being

in charge right i think that they would be okay with with it if it's like oh we get to run everything and you just get to be our like little shower croppers again you know but yeah they're very they're very scared and again it's because they think that we want to treat them the way that they want to treat us. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like, no, we don't have that. Again, we don't have the energy for that. And we don't care.

We literally do not care. Yeah, really. No, boo. It's not about you. The parenting and being like judgmental of the parents of trans youth who are trying to help their kids also reminds me like you brought up the evangelical aspect of it. And, you know, I'm sure like not all evangelicals, but it just keeps reminding me of this story I've told on here before about this mom who like we had a kid who we play basketball with who died of a brain aneurysm and i was like in the car with her and another like evangelical mom where they were talking about how they heard he wasn't saved and so like everybody's worried that he's in hell like after and it's just like just that like judgment like it's just so contrary to humanity.

Just being a human being. It is. Like they're so bad at empathy. And I think a lot of it is because, yeah, it's like they think that all the three of us are going to go to hell because we don't, you know, we haven't confessed Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. And so, but yeah, if you believe that someone's going to be tortured for all of eternity like there's you can't care about them yeah like you can't sincerely care about someone's life and believe you deserve to be punished forever right all right let's talk about some good news uh somebody who uh i think should be inducted into the fuck capitalism hall of fame. Uh,

this is an Italian person who skipped work for 15 years straight and still managed to secure the bag. We love to see it. This is the kind of story that if I read it as 16, I would have been telling everybody, yo, we got to move. What's this?

What do I want to be when I grow up? We're going to Italy dog. that if i read it at 16 i would have been telling everybody yo we gotta move what's this the point do i want to be when i grow up we're going to italy dog this one dude didn't go to work for 15 years bro and then we could just do whatever the fuck we want like drink wine eat meats and cheeses and shit so this 67 year old man was caught skipping work every fucking day, again, for 15 years, and collected his salary, 538,000 euros worth. That's $646,000 that he collected over the years,

not going to work. I mean... And this is just... Yeah, he worked at a... Apparently, he was employed at a hospital and never showed up so now he's facing charges of abuse of office forgery aggravated extortion and there are also six managers that are also being investigated because they're like i'm pretty sure these managers had to have enabled this shit because like they're reporting to these managers. But I guess the other thing is this whole thing,

absenteeism is apparently a huge problem in Italy, like in the public sector. Like people got these municipal jobs and it's a lot of like, yo, it's very much like if you ever went to college and you never went to lectures for your courses and you say, yo, Hey,

sign me in, sign me in, sign me in. So I'm there. That's, that's what people are doing with their jobs like they're giving their wives they're like clocking cards and they're just like swiping them like at the front of the building to act like they went in then they go do their shopping and shit it's uh you know it is what it is i mean i would i'd fuck off from work all the time too if i lived in italy i'm not gonna lie

like I've got shit to eat like I don't know what I don't know what you want me to do why do you want me to show up here so you know I'm okay with this yeah there there was apparently there was the guy did threaten someone that tried to report him so it's not the cleanest story again and I don't know what that's like hospital works yeah i don't but i'm also curious yeah what that what that confrontation was like keep your mouth shut i ain't coming into work mother ugly i'll slash your tires you know just leave me alone i'm old as fuck i want to smoke these cigarettes and drink apple all four or five cigarettes who is that is that nick crowe bottle red wine nick crowe yeah yeah nick crowe is a character salsages two three four cigarette cigarette all right let's talk about the ioc speaking of uh

international stories we're going international today and specifically talking about uh they're you know paying attention uh they they've seen the movement towards uh you know fighting for justice and they they are saying hell no fuck all of that yeah i mean officially just want to make that clear to everyone they say athletes will not be allowed to take a knee or protest against human rights abuses on the podium of tokyo 2020 or beijing 2022 after two-thirds of competitors pulled by the ioc said they supported a ban on remaining in place now i'm like first of all why are you using a survey of athletes from around the world to let you determine how they should move forward because i can't imagine the athletes from places like china or turkey were ticking the box that said you goddamn right i think we need to get vocal about our human rights violating leaders

that's not the tone that's not the tone of the the earth unfortunately which is why we have these movements brewing where people are getting in touch with their own oppression and wanting to liberate themselves. So this whole thing, I'm like, this is so stupid to use that as like the measure of what is acceptable because they have to know too, that like people can't be honest on those surveys, right? Like most people, like you have, you represent your country. You are a representative of your country. You can't, you can't just be like, oh, my right because they're gonna see it right like your team members are gonna see it like whoever your coach is and yeah you've got it i think that's such a good point you have to toe the line politically and they know this so i don't know

why they why did they ask i mean i think let's because i have a feeling i think it just it's just it's just clear right that they they just want people like for the for the amount of money this thing makes and for the amount of attention that is paid. They don't want the optics that the world is in a bad place, actually, for for most people. people so they want to sanitize it as much as possible because they don't want to they want to fucking stifle this like the actual tone of what is happening on the planet at the moment which is many people would want to bring attention whether that's in what the u.s is doing in yemen or what the chinese are doing to uyghurs or anything there's there's an infinite number of international conflicts to want to bring attention to but you know it's the this is just i get i mean i get from a very cynical place why the ioc is like i think you're gonna have people

protesting in beijing the olympics are basically the world's fair for like showing off the latest and greatest technology in police states like they're they just totally lock shit down they uh in london for the 2012 olympics they had missiles like on the side of buildings like anti-aircraft missiles like they were uh and that's what gave london uh the ability and license to lock every square foot of the public city down with closed caption or with a cctv yeah sure what is it okay what is the circuit closed circuit not closed caption with close closed circuit tv cameras and yeah i mean it's been it's been an issue for a long time. Super producer Anna Hosnier pointed out that Tommy Smith had his medals stripped for holding up his fist on the podium. Yeah, John Carlos, they got in trouble for putting their fists up. Yeah.

And this is what's interesting, though, too, because I don't know. It's still not clear what the punishments are going to be or how they'll even enforce them. Because like recently in the U.S., there was a fencer who the like the U.S. fencing team won a gold medal, like at these Pan American Games or something. And he took and he took a knee on the podium, you know, just in solidarity. He's like a white athlete. And then he got he was put on probation for kneeling during the medal ceremony but the backlash to that probation was so like severe that the u.s olympic team was like oh you know what oh sorry that was a misstep so i don't know how they're

gonna figure this out i have a feeling telling people this is gonna inspire a lot of people to do something because Because guess what? Once you're on that fucking podium, like I'm coming short of stripping their medals away, which I don't think is going to happen at this point, but I don't know. Maybe that's how severe they're going to act and say, if you do this,

you risk that. But it sounds like that's not what the punishments that they're trying to give out. But again, it's like so stupid given like, have you not are like there aren't issues in the world right now well and the ioc it's not like they don't have some skeletons in their closet yeah right so right uh yeah millions we associate like we associate

jesse owens with the olympics because that's where you know, made his name and became extremely famous. But the Olympics didn't organize that. The Berlin Olympics with Jesse Owens, they organized it with Hitler. Hitler. Because that was his like, yo, Aryan's about to show out, honey.

Right. Right. Cut to Jesse Owens being like, no, I'm off this shit. Right. Hold. Actually,

here a third, right? Hold this. Right. One moment. But the, they were the partner the partner, not Jesse Owens. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those, you know, we hate to rely on corporations putting pressure on entities to do the right thing.

on entities do the right thing but you know if the corporate partners you know nike uh nike is supposed to be about the struggle and about like finding solutions to these social issues uh they're about monetizing the struggle right but like this would be a great chance for them to say fuck off we're not gonna be involved at all with the olympics we have a whole line of the struggle where we're launching during the olympics and if we if they can't protest this is gonna look real dumb when we when we unleash this whole product line right fuck yeah uh all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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like you have a possible like partial solution to these problems that we talk about fucking literally every day so there's been a program in eugene uh oregon uh which is you know a hippie college town so it makes sense that it popped up there uh it used to be called the bummer squad because it was like sad i know it was it was basically these hippies with psychiatric training who would go around and like help people who were having bad trips and like having mental health. Oh, OK. Crises. And then it like that somehow morphed into this thing that they ironically named cahoots because they were like fuck we're in cahoots with the police nobody's gonna trust us ever so they called it

cahoots uh as like a joke but it's like been moderately successful uh and pretty impressively successful when you realize they get two fucking percent of the bud of the police budget out of uh you know a multi-million dollar uh budget they get two percent but what happens is and the big complaint is that there's just a long wait time because they are far more appropriate for most police calls but there's just not enough of them because again two percent of the fucking budget but you know they come and respond to mental health crises to drug freakouts to you know anything that isn't like an overt like violent threat they get called for and the police are obviously very protective so like they have that very strictly defined. And it's been a decades long struggle to get, you know, the police to let them respond to situations. But they're unarmed, which is a great first step. Their entire goal is to deescalate uh this atlantic reporter went on a ride-along and like a lot of the problems that

they're coming up against are just these common sense like it's just it's sort of the sort of thing that just having a interested party there who wants to help instead of wants to like escalate and turn things into a fucking yeah hit a quota put you in jail yeah yeah yeah sure sure come on get in the car yeah like one of the anecdotes they find they're responding to uh a guy whose girlfriend had filed a restraining order against him and he's like hanging around and when this kahoot squad arrives they find out he's drunk, couldn't drive anywhere with the police there and didn't want to go to any homeless shelter that didn't allow him to keep drinking. So what they did was literally just like called around, like did what anyone would have done if like you had called that guy's sister to come. They called around, found a local motel that he could stay at for the amount of money that he had, found someone who could drive stick because his car was stick and he didn't want it to get impounded. That was it. That's one of those situations where the police

were ready to escalate and a lot of communities would have escalated. Right. I'm even jumping to the same conclusions some harebrained cop would which is like you hear probably vaguely there's a partner with a restraining order who's outside the home and will not leave and you're like oh shit okay this is a fucking confrontation you know i mean like that's immediately that's the energy the police are going to show up with like to get this part get the fuck out man what the fuck versus what you're saying is compassion to just first be like what's happening here okay oh i see you're not just you're not just staying because you're refusing because you're

trying to like keep harassing this person you're just so fucked up you're like man i can't fucking drive and i gotta you know you have nowhere to go yeah like he had nowhere to go right so it's like you probably yeah that's very very common I mean Olympia Washington has a really similar program to Cahoots where they have mental health like crisis responders go out on calls and

I guess what's really weird to me about this whole the police being super touchy about like you can't take over our thing is they're also complaining that they have too much work yeah and they don't have enough people to like answer handle all the calls i'm like which one which one is it like yeah you want to be in charge of all the things but you don't have enough time energy resources to okay so it's both of these at the same time they did say in this article that after like

fighting the battle to like get the police to consider things like a lot of times the police would just be like oh yeah okay we could call them to like do it because they just wanted to get the shit off their plate and like after it was up and running and there was like a working relationship there the police were like oh thank god we don't have to like deal with this shit uh and i don't have any empathy i can access right yeah exactly this this situation seems to require a completely different skill set empathy squad go right i love empathy squad man my life's easier i'm less angry and actually i don't do shit all day now can i can i join where do i apply for empathy squad i feel like i'd be a good team member. taking the medical boards they're not like also giving you an empathy test but they did a test with this one patient population and the doctors who uh did the best on the empathy test and like

irrespective of how like smart they were those were the doctors who tested best like didn't get sued like people just they got to the bottom of the problem and like i feel like that's that's just a big like it's you know having other members of the community who will empathize with the person and approach it as a problem solving situation like that i i just feel like that's a yeah it's a difference in like what you're saying is to approach it as a problem that can be solved versus the other version now, which is to clean up the trash. Right. Because if you're if your approach is now we got to clean up the trash, then every person or instance you're in isn't it doesn't need a solution.

It just needs to get cleared out. Yeah, that's the motive. That's the sort of M.O. of the police and the thought we have. But yeah, it's and also in that empathy test one of the doctors scored so high they realized he wasn't even a doctor he just has so much empathy that he was creating these amazing outcomes and that sort of became a scandal too because they're like well hold on but yeah it's true like there's such a lack i think just in general too is so many of our problems are because we just have a general lack of empathy across the board with how we solve things.

Everything's so data driven and nothing is really looking at what the human experience is and how that ties into how we act, interact, behave, consume. It's like, no, no, no. It's this group of people here means they think like this. And I don't need to. I'm not interested in any other option. instead of getting 2% of the funding. Like, and,

and again, like most cities do not have this. Like I have come into firsthand contact with the fact that LA does not have this. If you have somebody who's having a mental health problem, uh, who's having an addiction or substance abuse issue, there's nothing like there's the police show up. Basically.

There are like social, like crisis workers, but there's less than 20 employed by the county yes yeah exactly that's the thing it's not you have to like find them and it's not like a thing where 9-1-1 is going to root you to those people right i think it's i mean one of the things that's so powerful about this right is is just like from an evolutionary biology perspective just having someone listen to you and believe you right is huge right humans evolved to co-regulate right so if you have someone who is with you in whatever the crisis is like just that alone is huge as opposed to someone again like seeing you as the problem right you as a person are the

problems and i need to handle you the problem by getting you out of here and i mean it's just it's just incredible that like something so it's just really small things you know frequently it's like taking somebody a couple of cigarettes and a bottle of water yeah and just kind of sitting with them for a little bit until they you know calm down right until their nervous system is less activated i mean it's really kind of small things frequently but it i mean it ends up saving our communities like millions of dollars honestly because you don't there are fewer people being killed right there are fewer people being harassed and and abused and brutalized and so i don't know it's just yeah i would love to see 50 of the police budget just go to like

social welfare mental health crises responders like right all of that so good yeah again it's just so simple you know like even if you think about it like anyone can can have this thought experiment like imagine we've all been pissed off. We've all been in bad fucking moods. Yeah. And, you know, back when I was a little more aggro in my day, if I was in a bad mood and someone came up like, yo, what's up? Like came up to me on some bullshit. I was more likely to react negatively because I'm in a bad place versus someone's like, hey, you OK?

What? Oh, man. And I'll explain. I'm like, no, man someone's like, Hey, you okay? What? Oh man. And I'll, and I'll explain. I'm like, nah, man, fuck that.

Cause this is happening. And someone would say, oh, that's fucked up. Or it'd be like, oh yeah, I feel that. I know.

I understand. And then you'll start coming down. But if someone starts saying, oh, what the fuck? No, you know what? Shut the fuck up.

Why don't you, what? No, you sit down. I got some questions for you. That is already, that is going to become a cataclysmic interaction because we're not even like we're not even observing like the basics of human energy like energetic

communication by coming up to somebody distressed like what the fuck is up right versus can i help you right do you need something you look distressed and yes unfortunately i think a lot of people are thinking like well what about the people that want to are are like meant mean to do harm well even if you have these police there i think we need police with more scars who say this is from when i tried to i single-handedly refused to shoot someone with a knife and yeah they cut my arm but i wasn't gonna fucking shoot them they were weak as fuck and i knew i could disarm them and that's what i had to do to avoid killing this person was just distressed and yeah that's kind of what happens and that's why i became a police officer because i know that shit like that

can happen but i also know people need to be treated a certain way because right now we have a bunch of scarless pristine motherfuckers who just have a bunch of gunshot residue all over their hands the my dad's dad was a inner city philly cop and his like number one thing that he bragged about among like seven other jobs but the number one thing he bragged about was never he never pulled his gun out of his holster and that was like a thing that was like a family legend like yo he was a cop in the worst neighborhood and never pulled his gun out of his holster and like that is that's a cultural thing that's like you know i was just thinking like the fact that the best like probably top five action movies of my lifetime is about that north hollywood shootout and the hero or one of the two heroes is on the side of the police and is like saying shit

like let's rock and roll like when when it's time to like fucking start shooting people like that's i don't know like that that's poisonous to the culture like that's poisonous to how we think about this shit and how we think about the police like and heat is a fucking good movie but that's not it's not good for for like the dirt how we think about this shit so I also want to talk about because back in June I believe a lot of

people were talking about the fact that the Camden police had abolished their police force reinstated them build it back from the ground up and so an op-ed in July, like after that story, it kind of made the rounds, pointed out that the abolition of the police was actually like part of this Chris Christie austerity measure thing that led to the kind of force growing whiter, more aggressive.

There were more complaints about like aggressive police action. The thing that actually led to the change that then led to fewer aggressive police actions was not that like change from on high. It was actually increased pressure applied by the Black Lives Matter movement, which enabled the local NAACP chapter to start working with the police to change actual policies. And they instituted a de-escalation mentoring program. So I don't know how this got so completely fucked up.

There were three different major news outlets, but this op-ed was kind of pointing out that it was sort of getting it exactly wrong like it was community-based and that's again like i find that inspiring because for the same reason that like the the cahoots thing is yeah there are medical experts but a lot of the shit they're doing is just stuff that any neighbor can do for another neighbor like if there's the funding if there's the organization but yeah this is from uh this guy's the op-ed was by this guy steven danley who is the director the graduate

director of the ms phd in public affairs and community development at Rutgers university, uh, Camden. So he's like a, the most on the ground expert that you can get on the subject. And was like, that's not how it went.

Right. Actually. Hold on. Can someone from Camden speak on this? Yeah. Oh, but yeah, I mean the community organizing, like that that's what put the put the pressure

on them to to make the changes and then the fucking police department takes the credit for that shit think of how how much a difference it would make if you as a person just living in your community knew of someone who is in need and you could call you could instantly call and say, man, my friend really needs a job or, you know, I'm I really think my friend would really benefit from some counseling right now. I don't think they don't know how to they don't know how to access it. But I know if they had the opportunity, it would really help them because so many things we can catch before they really become problems but the problem is there's no support so we just were like yeah i don't know what the fuck they're gonna do i don't know they're gonna we so many times as saying we will say is i don't know what the fuck they're gonna do right because there are no options so of course the situation will degrade

to the point where the whatever the behavior could turn into something that would inspire someone to have to call the police or whatever but like if you could just say oh my god hey i got you i got you my my friend needs my friend needs drug treatment like yesterday and needs a place to stay they have no money but i know if i let them leave my house right now i don't know what is going to happen to them yeah can we figure something out even if you right now, I don't know what is going to happen to them. Yeah. Can we figure something out? Even if you had that boom, you don't need police. You're not,

you just need to get somebody to support first. And you could, I can't imagine how many, how much, how fewer police interaction there would be if we all had access to help those we know that are in need. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, absolutely. And I, it's was so frustrating to me about this again, is that it's need. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And it was so frustrating to me about this again, is that it's like, it saves money. So all these people who are running around bitching about like, oh, the deficit, oh, we can't spend money. Oh, we don't have anything to spend, but then they can find money for cops and they cannot find money anywhere in the budget for mental health services. Like it's just, it's, it's junk, right? Because I think that people

also don't think about the fact that like a single crisis, right? Where the cops respond and someone dies is tens of millions of dollars that it costs the city. Just, just, just in like, not even like paying the family, like some settlement, like not even that, but just in like the paperwork that you have to do, right? And the attorneys that you have to hire and you have to bring in all these people to like check and see like did we do this right or you know

were we in the right and obviously it's like they pay themselves that money right but um they're like we cleared ourselves of what i'm doing it's fine you guys um but yeah i think it's like just one one interaction right where you can step in between someone who is having a crisis that could turn violent either like harming themselves or someone else and just like that again that one interaction saves millions of dollars yeah i mean i've it's that like i've known moments where i've been like oh no like. Like I've had friends who live, you know, sometimes they were a little bit out of control of their own lives. And there are moments where I knew I was like,

this is not going to end well, based on what I just heard on this phone call. This is not going to end well. And it didn't not like in anything lethal or anything like that, but a car wreck and, you know, injuries and things like that and you're like and i don't i months ago i wish i was able to get this person into treatment or something

or i get i have them have to find them the ability to speak with somebody that could potentially you know help them in some way but yeah it's just imagine living in a country with a social safety net yeah and really that's what this all boils down to yeah like that's all we're just all fantasizing about that imagine living in a country where rich people pay taxes and people who need help can actually access it that'd be really cool i would love to see what that would look like yeah there's a social safety net. There's just like, it's people on the ground pointing guns at you and being like, don't fall.

Don't fall. Motherfucker. It's ugly down here. I'm warning you. It's ugly down here. So don't fuck. You better not need his net because it ain't going to catch you. Yeah.

And I think a lot of that too, is so much of like, even how we interact with each other or just treat each other the environment animals it's so much of that has to do with how that what the government is communicating to us as people because if we're getting the message you don't matter i don't know i don't know what the fuck you're gonna do if that's the message we get from the the state then yeah that's that's going to permeate throughout how we treat each other, that everyone's disposable. Absolutely, because police are leadership, right?

Regardless of how we feel about that, police in community are leadership. And when they see all of us as enemy combatants, not neighbors, not friends right not community members but like again a problem to solve then we start seeing each other as problems too right even without thinking about it we just kind of get this coding right where it's like oh this you know it's a huge problem in portland you obviously i'm sure many places are dealing with a lot of people being unhoused right now but there is like there's just this framework where people who are kind of like pro-police and like i want the businesses to be safe and whatever are also like they just see unhoused people not as people but as trash to be taken out right and the

police treat them the exact same way yeah yeah it's like oh you're a crumpled up newspaper with arms and legs right that's how i see you it's not it's not even a human being when it's it's so like when so many unhoused people are like, if I just had an address for like two months, I could get a job. I could start earning money. But the problem is, if I don't have a permit, like there's such little things that are keeping me out of getting employed on top of the countless failures that have occurred to me because of the state. But if I even had those things, that's enough momentum to begin pulling myself out of the situation I'm in. But we don't. But fuck that, because, you know, we got to they got to fuck. Some people don't want to fucking have they want to build a new development or some shit. And so that's why the funding is going to completely other directions. Yeah.

But yeah, again, but I think that's what's, I think that's what the one thing is. It's feels like the solutions are very, like we can even ideate right now. I'm like, imagine if that happened,

imagine if that happened, imagine if this happened. So that's, that's another part too, that aside from having to actually have build more like mutual aid build more mutual aid and taking care of our own communities, but also part and parcel of that is to know when you have people who are trying to ask for your support who are on some bullshit that has absolutely nothing to do with actual solutions. Rather than like, how about y'all cash in those tanks for money? Maybe you could cut your tank budget down because the memes have been flying around all over the internet that was like try and guess which photo is the cops and which one's the military and it's like jokes on you they're all

cops and they're like in front of fucking armored you know fucking mraps and all this other shit. It's just... That Brooklyn Center protest where the cops were just doing cover formation and just firing huge weapons at the people who were organizing. It couldn't have looked more like a war zone. Yeah, and more weak. Yeah, absolutely. All right, Tori. looked more like a war zone yeah and more weak yeah yeah absolutely all right uh tori it has been such a pleasure having you as always uh where can people find you and follow you thank you i yeah y'all are so fun i'm so happy whenever i get an email like hey

whenever whenever open door. Oh, yeah. Where can people find me? Apparently, I'm online still. So I'm going to have to work on that. But I'm just at Tori Glass on Twitter and Instagram because I'm an old now, apparently. These old fashioned technology social medias. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

technology social medias yeah yeah yeah and then speaking of mutual aid my patreon that i set up was to pay rent for a black family or an indigenous family for a year so that's at whitehomework.com and if people want to chip in that'd be awesome because yeah we have to take care of each other because no one else is going to yeah i mean until this whole system inverts. Yeah, that we really only have each other in the interim. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, the work of social media. I'm going to use that line. That's amazing. It was it was kind of niche, but at Skywalker 9 said, anyone who says that Portland has been destroyed, does not live here and is trying to lie to make a political point. And I was like,

yeah, that's true. Cause they keep talking about how we burned the, our entire city to the ground. And now we all just all live in these smoking hovels. Right. It's like, no,

Portland is still one of the most beautiful cities in the country. You can come check it out. Still here. Still standing despite Antifa and black lives mattering all over i know it's actually in spite of the police like it's literally because like all the violence is instigated by the cops i don't know if you know this they're the ones they're the ones wilding out not the people interesting it's funny i have a friend of mine who lives in portland who who had a kid recently and i was like oh where should i send this gift to uh just rubble pile? Portland?

Do you have a home still? Is it smoldering? Will you find it? Yeah. It's good times. Miles, where can people find you with a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also the other podcast, 420 Day

Fiance. Some tweets that I like. The first one is from uh nicole thurman at nicole thurman tweeting every period drama has a scene where a person just like walks around a brothel looking for someone stepping over three people who are intensely fucking like has anyone seen jonathan this one is from caleb heron uh at caleb says things it says this all came to me like a fever dream it just hit me and the next thing i knew i was at my desk in a google doc uh for jack and tori i just put the link into the chat i want you to look at this it's like a way you can build it the whole exercise here says what a profile about you in a cool publication

would be titled. And you base that off your full name, your birth month and your birth date. So your birth month has a bunch of different top, like headings or beginnings, and then a specific topic for your date. So mine would be miles gray looks down on smoking weed in the desert. That couldn't be further from the truth. Yeah, that's inaccurate. What's yours? Your horoscope is wrong. Tori, what's yours? Okay, let's see here.

It says, so Tori Williams-Douglas respects reading Joan Didion. I don't even know who that is. I'm not cool. I'm not cultured, you guys, apparently. Oh, Joan. That's my profile. As you guys know, Jack O'Brien no longer fears thinking about the 2000s. Oh.

That's true. Wow. That actually kind of, that vibes well. That works. And then lastly, just because, you know, we're millennials, Matt Pierce, at Matt D. Pierce says, they call us millennials because we've been alive for a thousand years. They call us millennials because we've been alive for a thousand years.

I love some good grizzled shit. Good grizzled content. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A couple of tweets. I like Scotty to snotty at not not Scotty tweeted cashier. Would you like to donate to help fight kids? Me. Let me stop you right there.

Yes. And Adam serious tweeted. Keep the same friend group for years. Call that homie. Oh, stasis. Oh, so sweet. Imagine having the same friend group for you. I know you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you should check out miles what what song should the people check out this is from the books which is you know like their electronic their first album i think the lemon of pink i found out like this is like early college days

i'm like yo you ever heard this i'm like is it hip-hop and they're like no and i'm like didn't miss me with that and then you know like but then it takes like, yo, you ever heard this? I'm like, is it hip hop? And they're like, no. And I'm like, didn't miss me with that. And then, you know, like, but then it takes like a weird album you listen to. And you're like, Oh,

this is kind of weird. And I was just like listening to like an old playlist and this song came up. It's called Tokyo. And the way a lot of their tracks are just super interesting samples chopped up, but not in the way, you know, Primo would do on a gangstar beat. Very like cut and

paste uh interesting textures and i really like this because there's a lot of sounds from japan in it so this is tokyo by the books that sounds dope uh all right go check that out the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever the hell you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. And we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye.

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