The Daily Zeitgeist - Oops All Overrated / Underrated: Indigenous Peoples' Day 2025

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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We ask our guests every day what they think is overrated, underrated. This is our chance to get some stuff off our chest. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Let's start, should we start overrated?

What if you want, man? What's cheesing you off, man? Yeah, me? What's something you think's overrated? Me, man? Who me? Fucking billionaires, man. Just getting away with it all the time.

Yeah. Specifically, this Steve Balmer, Kawhi Leonard thing is killing me. It's Pablo Torre every fucking week now is like, truly they're calling him the boogeyman. It feels like the Kendrick Drake like beef, but except it's just like upsetting legal documents about how pretty allegedly, but pretty clearly. It really does feel like that. Like the way I had that same thought as he was dropping like his fifth episode where he's like, and here's more documentation. Yeah.

Because, so he found out that Steve Balmer, like, basically did this thing where he funneled a huge investment into this company that ended up being a scam. Nobody allegedly knew it was escape at the time. And then that money was then paid to Kauai Leonard by that same company for doing nothing in order to get around the salary cap because they had signed Kauai Leonard to a salary that was, he's like, Kauai Leonard's one of the best players in the NBA, but you have the salary cap that like makes it so

no team can just come through like the Yankees and just fucking scorched her and like, hey everyone, all the money. And so the way he got around that was kind of this like sloppy thing where I mean, I guess it's not sloppy in the sense that we wouldn't have found out about it if this company hadn't been. Yeah, got bankrupt and then sued

and everything becomes public. Yeah, and then everything becomes public. but he's been going through the documents and just finding incriminating piece of evidence after incriminating piece of evidence. His fellow billionaire, Mark Cuban, has been defending him being like, no one would do this. This is just, he's, you're wrong. He was scammed. He didn't know. And then that company just happened to invest money in Kauai Leonard.

Yeah, it feels like Pablo Torre is actually in the beef with Mark Cuban. Exactly. So what he does, Mark Cuban says a thing. And then Pablo Tori's like, I actually have documentation that like, because Mark Kim was like, I don't know. It's like if it happened, then he would have to do it this way. And maybe like he would probably prop up the company. And probably was like, oh, interesting. We just found documentation that she did exactly that.

He knows the whole case. And that's why it's really interesting to him just to drip it out because it makes everyone look more fucking bad. And also the people that defend Steve Balmer look even worse because they're like, well, it probably was done this or maybe it wasn't. evidence comes out that refutes it um and it just again like sports is used like the one thing that people kind of feel is like free from like all the fucking chaos of the world uh but in the era of big money like that's completely gone yeah and you know the insanely wealthy owner trope has been around forever but like salary caps kept things somewhat under control especially like in the NBA like for us we've been talking about it for the last few years the amount like

the parody that exists in the NBA is unlike anything I've ever seen. Yeah, it's super fun. It makes it. Yeah, it makes it crazy that like the Oklahoma City Thunder who were like a joke team three years ago just won the championship. Yeah, right,

exactly. And then like when you have people like Balmer just coming in and sloppily skirting the rules like a common CEO, it's just like it's really fucking infuriating. And it has nothing to do with like the team or whatever. Like I, my fucking allegiance to the Lakers aside, like just looking at this, it just shows, I think that's what it is.

I just hate the fact that that entire way of doing business, it's like, well, I'm a billionaire and I have my own rules, is just done so blatantly in people's faces. And now you have a league with the NBA where Adam Silver is like not, not being as unequivocal as I'd like him to be. When he's talking about like laying the hammer down on people who circumvent the cap rules, it's like, are you really going to do it? Because Pablo Torre is really making it difficult now for the NBA.

MBA to, like, not do, you know, come down seriously on the clippers. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's cool because he's a, you know, he's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. He's a podcaster. His podcast is, you know, once he gets on a, his previous thing that he got into is just the Bill Belichick and his 22-year-old girlfriend thing. That was a fun thread. And, like, when he gets on a thread like this, it's definitely worth listening.

Because, like, especially with this one, it's a white collar malfeasance at a time when literally nobody else is paying attention to that. You know, like the authorities are asleep at the wheel. And so he's able to like just go in and get the low hanging fruit. But for people who don't know, Steve Balmer is the richest owner in any sport. He's one of the richest people in the world.

He co-founded Microsoft with Bill Gates. And they had an episode recently just about the parallels between what Microsoft got caught doing. And then in the 90s, This is a big scandal. When Steve Balmer was there. Yeah. And Steve Balmer was the, like,

head of the company at the time that they were caught doing anti-competitive stuff blatantly by the U.S. government and, like, forced to, you know, it's like the one anti-monopoly thing that has happened that, like, really the government pushed back on. That's how blatant they were being. Best detail I learned over the past week is because I think it's easy to lose sight of, like, how much money was that. at stake here. So Quill Leonard

To do nothing again. To do nothing. Quil Letter got $20 million, I think, from this company to do nothing. 28, I think. Yeah, okay, 28. He's getting paid more by this company to do nothing than he's getting paid by New Balance for being their

face. The face of New Balance. Yeah, face of their basketball thing. Like, which was a huge, like the fact that they, New Balance got Kawhi Leonard was wild. We were like, whoa, like, that's a huge get for them. That's, like, an amazing amount of value. The idea that this company would just pay him for doing nothing, just, yeah, it seems

very unrealistic. Yeah. Anyways, it's, it's just wild to think it's like he's the face of a brand for X amount of money, but then he can get more money to literally just do nothing. Because, again, it wasn't, it's not that he was ever doing anything with this company. They were just funneling money to him. But yeah, this is not abnormal for Steve Balmer, obviously, as the head of Microsoft, who previously got caught doing anti-competitive things.

But also just like billionaires, as we keep talking about on this show, like, it is what they do. They rewrite the history. It's very important to America's ethos and the American zeitgeist to believe that these are remarkable people who are doing things with, like, creativity. Their abnormal brain power. Yeah, their amazing brain power. And then, you know, so they rewrite these. biographies where they like started everything from a garage and all this bullshit.

And then you actually look at the reporting and it's just they find loopholes and exploit loopholes is what they do. And they are predatory and we'll do whatever it takes to make a bunch of money. Or win or whatever, whatever their fucking worldview is. But yeah, it's just, but Pablo Torre, God bless him. God bless him to fucking keep turning the heat up on the league because that would be the next scan. as if the NBA just kind of like. If the NBA just looks the other way. Yeah, because again, like you said,

Bomber's so fucking wealthy. It's like he could buy the league if he wanted to. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like he's, his, that's just looming over everything. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated deer crossing signs.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. The little sign with the little deer doing a look, a little hop hop. Yeah, my husband hit a deer on his way home from work on Sunday. Why would the deer say to him? Fuck you, bitch. Wow.

Wait, oh, in this car? Yeah. Oh, okay. So, yeah, it was late at night. No deer crossing signs, even though it definitely needs it for the area we're in. But came out of nowhere, did damage left. The jeer's okay? We didn't find the body.

We're not sure. Exchange information and check in afterwards. Yeah. Hey, where are you going? We're going. I'm pretty sure that deer didn't have insurance. The way he fucking ran out of there. I don't want to, oh, God.

I mean, I know this show's, you know, trying to be progressive, but that's, I feel like all dears, no deer has insurance. Right. Every time. Every time they don't have insurance. And I don't like to paint everyone with the same brush, but they never have insurance, ever. Dude. Well, I have to register to kill a deer. So why don't they have to register for existing?

Yeah. See, this is, this is, God, we need someone to take this shit seriously. You need a registry for all deer. How fucked up did the car get? Not great. We're having it towed either today or tomorrow. Oh, shit. Like, couldn't be driven any further.

Yeah. But it was fortunate. It was very close to our house. And my husband's fine, all that, but we don't know about the car just yet. Damn, it took us a long time to ask if your husband's fine. Yeah, my husband's alive. To the extent that we didn't even do it. I made a joke about how he punched a deer.

Whoops. I will say, the deer crossing sign. like if you're going to have a sign representing deer like they have to be happy with that one that is like the Michael Jordan silhouette like the Jordan silhouette of like it is so athletic and majestic it's like springing forward in a way that like I feel like they have to be like yeah that's right and I'm pretty sure like their antler size they were very gracious with antler sizes right yeah yeah they were See, this is, why are they getting all the preferential treatment in society? This is what I'm, now I'm thinking. Also, like, if you look at the moose crossing, like, I'm looking at a moose crossing one, it's all, like, hunched over.

It looks drunk, whereas, like, the deer is like, bonging. I think I've seen like elk. Elf one is pretty majestic looking. Is it? Yeah. Because there's a lot of elk towards here. Oh, yeah, the elk. Yo, the antlers.

But I wouldn't want to be fucked up by an elk. That would take out most cars. Yeah, my rankings. I still like deer, then elk, moose. But a moose is like, it looks like, it evokes moose. It definitely evokes moose. It communicates. I guess it just, like, tells us what we think of moose.

Like, it looks, like, yeah, I'm seeing some that are a little bit better. But the one I'm first looking at, it just looks drunk. Like, it just looks like, ugh. Watch out for this drunk asshole. Most moose are pretty hammered. You can just assume. They're angry, too. Yeah.

But I'd rather have, like, these instead of, like, impressionist paintings of animals for crossing, because you have no idea what you're going to get. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Too much. There's too much that someone can interpret a different way. It's like, I don't know. Could be a whimsical. It kind of looks like a horse.

Yeah, whimsical horse with some kind of hairdo. Or a hunchback horse. Right. I feel like they should give, like, the, when it's like the walking cross sign, like, you can, you can walk now, that'd be cool if, like, they made us look athletic and cool as hell, you know, instead of just like, I, I, you know, like, what would you want? Yeah, just the very stiff. We don't get a little swag. What do you want? I'm not the artist here.

I'm just saying. Tom Cruise and the Pelican brief? Or who is it? Was he the Pelican brief? Yeah. Yeah, he's, no, he's not Pelican brief. He's the firm. The firm, yeah, the firm, he's like running a little bit with a briefcase.

Yeah, exactly. Just now there goes a man. I want the woman like on the truck flaps, like the woman that sits like side profile. I want that, yeah. Yeah. And what's that communicating? Ladies, you can now lay in the crosswalk with your sexy bodies. You want an insurance payment?

Just lay here. But not near a deer because they don't have insurance. No, no. They'll trample you. Fuck, Bambi. and the child the slow children sign that child looks like he's up to something he's like there's a slow children thing that's not just like a far side thing there's slow children at play yeah yeah oh sorry I'm thinking of the word play is good yeah yeah slow chill I do remember that was

I truly was like slow children whoa that's so mean what that means what are they all in one area slow children but they're strong okay they've got good they've got good leaping ability why does what is the sorry there's one for like the girl coded figure for a slow children to play but the head of like the girl it has like a ponytail but it looks like just one of those like japanese kendama things like right here oh anyway that's a very short skirt she got like a george washington ribbon well she's also like being dragged by the boy one yeah come on come on come on we'll make it we'll make it oh fuck I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry, K.Y. Kim. Her hand was so slippery. I'm so sorry. Dragging her into traffic. One less K.Y. Kim out there. Children at play dragging each other into traffic. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated?

Okay, this is really dumb. But for years and years and years, I have been driving around without a, phone holder in my car and i just got i just got one and we're not talking about these things enough it's amazing it's amazing a few decades oh my god like literally i want to say the last time i had one was probably six is more more than five years ago maybe even significantly more so it really is the type of thing where i'm like wow i literally have the fun The other day driver, I was like, my phone's right there.

It's just right there. I don't have to look down. Oh, my God. So anyway, I think those little pieces of plastic are pretty underrated. Prior to that, you were just driving around with it in front of your face. For sure. Holding it up in front of your face. In the exact same spot where the holder would be.

Yeah. And I had a couple phones. I had the Android item on, like a rude Goldberg machine, Elmage, GoPro, dash cam, all of it. But now I just have the one holder, yeah. Yeah, always a boxing glove and a boot that's connected to a wheel somehow. Oh, yeah. It's a boot, like on a plunger.

Yeah, on a plunger that like spins for it and kicks something. A bowling ballroom. I'm usually driving down Banana Peel Lane. Is it a phone holder that connects into the air conditioning vent? Yes, but it is also one that has enough. space so that it it's like I can still feel the air from that

yeah that sounds like you got a good one out yeah I got to search Reddit you search Reddit to figure out which one I get no that one I just took I that one I just took a stab in the road dart because I think what I think what I think what I would have was the phone fell or something I was like let me just get one of these fucking things right now

and you were doing the search on a broken phone from heaven fallen yeah exactly exactly yeah phone holder for a car and then you just hit the I'm feeling lucky button that's not even a thing anymore is it? Oh yeah, do they even have

I think they killed that. Oh no they do they do here I'm going to do right now still there holder for car and guess what assholes at Google I'm feeling fucking lucky oh it just fucking feel it doesn't even give I didn't realize what it does it just sends you to whatever it sends you to the top result oh yeah

that sent me straight to Amazon Amazing. Amazing. They should, I feel like they should be like, I'm feeling really lucky. And like, you hit that and you just like get the thing, whatever they want to send you. They're just like, yeah, you just bought that shit. I'm going to put Tame and Paula tickets refresh. I'm feeling lucky.

There you go. Just send me straight to fucking Ticketmaster. There you go. They are good friends at Ticketmaster. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, to keep talking about the Star Wars prequels, because I need to just plug this store as much as possible, but I did search for this, and I'll tell you why.

I searched for Palpatine's lightsaber color because I have been brainstorming a list of possible, like, drinks, beverages for the venues that we're performing at to, like, kind of create a special drinks menu for our show. And so I was like, oh, a palpatini. And it should be red because of Palpatine's lightsaber color being red. And then here, let me just pull up the list of other drinks I've crafted, you know, listeners and Jack and Mort. You're welcome to riff on this as well. let's see the quagon gin and tonic i mean unbeatable obvious that's beautiful yeah um a darth vodka and cranberry or any vodka actually means dark father so that actually works pretty well does it really

no dark that that's a like apocryphal thing people were like and actually everybody would have known that his name that he was actually luke's father if you knew the german translated to dark father And then you actually look it up and it doesn't mean shit. It doesn't translate. It's just like a fun thing. That just, I think that's a joke from like pitch perfect where Anna Kendrick is like, Vader means father in German. So obviously.

Yeah. But the important thing here also is that the vodka that should be used should be Anakin Sky Walker vodka. Now we're having some fun. Now we're having fun. And then of course there's also, and then this is where things get a little bad. Obi-1 Canoe beer. No, that's...

I'm sorry, did you say this is where things get brilliant? Like, perfect. Yeah, sorry, sorry, I misspoke. And then finally, Mace, wine-dew. Wine-dew sounds like it's, I'm going to get some Mountain Dew in there,

do I? Is it a mixture of wine and Mountain Dew? Wine plus a Cabernet Sauvignon plus Mountain Dew. Actually, that sounds kind of good. I'm in. I have 17 years sober. I will relapse on that.

you make it. Please. Yeah, sorry, but. It'll be worth it. Is it relapsing if you just inject it directly into my veins, but it doesn't, like, I don't have to drink it. It just goes right into my veins. That's probably fine, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I came up with. Those are great. And are, do you think that you're going to get cooperation from the venues? I hope so. I emailed all of them and said, like, here's my brilliant menu, do with it, what you will. And if they don't do it, that's their loss. They're, they're losing out on millions of

dollars that they would have generated at our show. Yeah, I'm told millions. A part of my ignorance, but I did have to look up Palpatine. I can't believe his name's not Jiz. He looks not great. Yeah, yeah. Is he all right? He's not doing, you don't look like he doing great. He seems bad. All the people, all the force people seem bad. Like you would. think that all the power they're like this is the best feeling it feels so good and they're just like dying like the whole time they just look like absolute shit which does seem to also be what happens to people who just embrace conservative politics like they look like shit but they also live forever they also have force lightning powers they have finger a lightning that comes

out of their fingers yeah they should call they should call whatever disease ban and Steve Bannon has the palpeteen. Yeah, he's got some, he's palpitine and big time. Yeah, where your skin melts and you never die. You guys've been drinking a couple of palpitini's by the look at his nose. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know what you're saying. What is something you think is overrated, Kyle?

Those, I can cuss, right? Oh, hell yes. Those fucking Jubilee videos. Oh, not that one, Kyle. I hate the Jubilee videos so much. Did you see? I hate them. I hate them.

I can't tell. when there's satire or not, I don't think they're helpful. Maybe I'm wrong and too closed off and too, like, pessimistic about it. But ultimately, I'm just like, who's the, who's, it's just to me, it's like a musical chairs for a bigot. Right. Who's the fastest, bigot? Not even fastest, quickest.

Right. And then they come in and they're, every one of them is like, hey, will you ever change your mind? And that person goes, no. And then they're like, all right, we should talk over each other for a minute. Right. Which is pretty fun. Have you seen, um, Yasser, Lester's.

a thing that he photoshopped him in the surrounded background and he was like one light-skinned N-word versus a bunch of white conservatives but they don't know I got a gun on me. See, I would watch that. I love it. I really, and it's something that I'm not happy to admit

I find unhelpful because maybe it is just me closing myself off and it feels like a very sort of like, I don't know, I feel very pessimistic to be like I find these wildly unhelpful and I'm sure, I'm very open to be. being incorrect about it, but God, I have never seen a clip of them and thought this helped anyone at all, except everyone could sit at home and be like, uh-huh.

Yeah, he told him, both sides are getting like, are being like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's another watch where everyone feels right. I think, like, I watch a lot of the, like, political commentators online. And I think they help me with talking points. So in terms of, like, understanding talking points or history, then I'm like, okay, like, I didn't know about that or like this. other argument or whatever. But I also think that the people involved are like very happy to debate. And I'm like unhappy to debate in that I think, in that I think we shouldn't have to

fucking debate human rights. You know what I mean? So I think that that's the part where I'm like, okay, this is a bit self-indulgent in that, yeah, like maybe it'll help more people like understand like the history of the talking points, like the politics of it all. But also like we're not super changing any minds on there and it does give these fascists a platform like now I know some of the faces of these fascists as a whole circle of them

but people are just admitting to being fascist and I find it to be like you were saying the what we have normalized I hate saying stuff like normalize I hate you know what I mean you feel crazy using what we have allowed to be the normal debate is so far outside of what is like reasonable

or or anything like Lincoln Hitler debates yeah we're not abating like an allocation of taxes in a community versus near a city or something where you're like, I could, you know, we're allowing equal footing to such, there is a objectively correct and incorrect answer that we're allowing people to talk about like there isn't. And it involves people being alive. And then someone's monetizing it, of course. But it's just, I, I am, maybe I just want to get booked on one. I don't know. I'm tired. What's overrated? This YouTube show that won't book me.

They reached out on the clip of this and they're like, Kyle's been, we had to get a restraining order against Kyle. We watched it. A digital restraining order. We were like, wow, we were really unsure of which side Kyle was on this whole time. Kyle did the worm? He said,

please let me. I don't know. It's one of the things I felt a little bit guilty about feeling is overrated if that makes sense. But I'm just so. sort of like it makes me think we are it doesn't feel healthy it doesn't feel healthy and it feels like you you make you think something is equal if you are uh giving it a platform like that yeah like it's it feels like it comes from the same place as people being like what we don't need moderators on reddit because like this is free speech and then you just like get shouted

down by like 30 fascists and it's it does i i think it helps my visual imagination for like what fascists can look like. Yes, I was going to say that. Okay, they do have glasses like that. I'm like, it's your local NB barista. Yes, exactly. It certainly is, that has been a jarring discovery is on mute, not knowing who would believe what has been a tough thing to come to.

Right. It used to be, you know, on mute, I know who's got a teaky torch. Right. Exactly. They all kind of, all those teaky torch. guys looked like I would expect people carrying teaky torches to look like. And now they look like. A lion? Yeah. Exactly. They wouldn't appropriate, right? They look they look like the stars of sitcoms that had like special we go to Hawaii episodes from like the 1950s. Yeah. You know,

some doctor. When a producer wanted to go on vacation, they're like, we're actually having a nice story arc here. But yeah, they hipsters can be fascists too. Frequently they are. Uh, according to Jubilee videos. That's what I've learned. I also can't tell, like, I understand what you mean by, like, not normalizing it or, like, wanting people to have shame, but also, like, as a brown person,

like, I would rather know what people actually believe at their hearts. And I've had interpersonal experiences where I, where somebody's fully switched up on me. And I'm like, okay, so that's in my neighborhood. That's good. Like, I would rather fucking know, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Sure. do you like hate watch them i have really really tried to cut out of my life doing that with things but it's sometimes they really you know a certain back and like the one that was just the guy going yeah i'm a fascist yeah i'm a white nationalist you can't avoid that and so i saw a lot yes i saw a lot clip from his clips from his of the various people but especially that one guy like telling him to go leave like yeah yeah you just are like i don't know maybe i just but i mean he kind of has a similar view because he was saying like when one of them was like yeah I'm a fashion he's like stopped he's like I don't have conversations right oh you are a fashion he just like sat there and I appreciate

that I have so I commend the people who can sit there and do that and I just I think rationing ultimately I I feel guilt about the amount of consumption you do and what you cut out and what you're aware of and things like that all the time and then I'm also trying to like take care of myself in a physical and manner and you're just like it's crazy to small picture and big picture yourself through all of this it's very difficult thing to balance yeah yeah i did like and this is probably a bad thing that this is what gave me like hope was that the guy who he was like oh i don't debate with fascists are you a fascist and he was like yeah yeah i'm a fascist and like sort like ugly laughing they are all clowns yeah he got fired from his job and like i was like oh so

there's like still some institutional pushback. But then he started a GoFundMe where he raised like a fuck ton of money for being a fascist. That's true. Which is like that isn't, that's the thing where I'm like, this is encouraging people to like try to become like influencers and like make politics content.

And that's, that's the part that I'm like, if you don't fucking know or you're a bad person, just stay out. There is something. It seems like that is a new, it's like a quick quicker than going on a dating reality show or The Bachelor or something is to go and go viral in a Jubilee moment and launch yourself into something.

That's right. I do want to, like, see what the process is for, like, putting those rooms together. Like, do how, where are they going? Like, is it where, what pool are they fishing from, you know? They're going to these, they're going to these cities that, uh, fascists and Republicans love to live in that they say they hate. Right. They'll go somewhere where they're also, like, they're also influencers before. Like, a lot of them are like debaters.

Like the other people who sit? Yeah. A lot of them have either been, like, worked for Jubilee. Like, some of the people are, like, picked by Jubilee multiple times. Some of them are, like, podcast hosts or something. Like, some of them are already, like, they'll take, like, like, Like, Kyle, there might be a chance. Yeah.

Yeah, he parked up. He was like. One guy keeps trying to do movie puns. He keeps saying the Wolf of Wally Street in the Jubilee video about border. I do appreciate all I it is just it's such an odd feeling for me and and I don't know what it is about them that feels bad and weird it feels terrible yeah um you do but there is something to like it's just like jarring you just never thought you would see people be like yeah dude I'm a fascist you never think you'd see someone say that but then it's like it's so normal now I guess I don't know yeah I'm like honestly I think the the moment of political shock I had was the 2016 election and like I had an experience just like that S&L moment where like Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle were like, yeah, this is what America is and all the white people were like, what? Because I was with like my white friends and we were all freaked out. And then I like,

later in the night I was like at a mic where it was like a lot of black people and they were laughing and they were like, yeah, this is just normal for America. So like since then I haven't been shocked. Yeah. I haven't been shocked at anything honestly since then. Yeah. Shock is hard to have. Yeah. It's weird that I let myself continually have. disappointment. I think that's beautiful, though. Let's stay disappointed. Yeah, it proves that there's like some hope inside.

All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved. until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer,

And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I had a memory of tweeting something about how the xenomorph is really just a huge wasp that can't stop drooling. But then. Yeah, like it drools a lot. A lot. In a way that like any other thing that drools that much, you'd be like, that thing is stupid. It's sick. All right. So here's the.

The train of thought that I think actually tells everyone literally everything you might conceivably want to know about me, which is I have a memory of this because I basically was like, someone else made a sort of similar joke on some social media. And I was like, I already did that. And then I looked for it and I couldn't find it. So that was my search history is Andrew T. Xenomorph wasp. And I couldn't find it. I would just be a good AKA for you. Andrew T. Xenomorph wasp. Did I just think this?

Yeah, yeah. And so I don't know. I genuinely don't know. It seems like it's not there, but I also deleted most of my tweets at some points. Maybe it was in the deleted batch of tweets. You're like, this one's going to get me in trouble with the Geiger estate.

All of those movies have some very serious character saying a nearly completely perfect organism. Right. I have to tell you, it's only an okay organism. Yeah. As far as an organism sucks. You can get, You can get rid of that second mouth.

Yeah. Second mouth. The drool. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking, it can't reproduce unless a fucking, like, certain number of humanoids look at its eggs. Yeah, like, stare at its eggs with their mouth open. Like, what kind of plan is that?

What kind of plan is that for propagating your species? Like, it doesn't, if it wanted to bring people in, if that was its strategy, right? Like, think about, like, a flower that wants to reproduce. So it's brightly colored. It's like, it looks fucking so hot to bumblebees. Like, bumblebees are like, oh, yeah, I want to fuck that thing or like, you know, they, or it looks delicious to other thing. Well, there is one that looks like something that I forget which insect it is, but the insect tries to fuck it. Yeah.

All right. Well, that's fine. But anyways, like, this one is on a scary-ass planet. that, you know, like, just not, does not look cool. It's missed and eerie blue lights, and it looks like a fucking, like, demerifying. Yeah, you see that, you're like, hell no. Yeah. Why would you look at that?

Yeah. Like, they really need some, they need to up their game in terms of. Even if, yeah, it's just that so many things have to go perfectly for one baby to be born. Yeah. And that, I think, is not such a good plan. Perfect. And also when it runs, it's like not that, yeah, like when it, so when it pops out of that motherfucker's stomach, spoiler alert. For people who've managed to miss that the whole.

I saw Senator Cassidy's testimony. And it runs out. It doesn't run that. Like, it's like just like, it just like kind of scamperes out, like in a way that's, you know. It kind of, well, some of these are answered in Alien Earth, Jack, then the hit series on FX. Oh, is it? Okay. They show more of the Xenomorph in between,

which is why this came up for me. Someone was talking about Alien Earth, and I was like, hold up. I already made this sick-ass joke. I'm suing. I maybe didn't make this the sick-ass joke, is what I'm saying.

It's a perfect, perfectly scary thing. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it perfect for reproduction and survival. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's gorgeous. nature's the pinnacle of nature's achievement. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Yeah, because there is a thing. Also, like, the conceit is that everybody wants to use it as a weapon. And, like, it's just, yeah, that would be the worst weapon. It's such an insane weapon. It's going to turn on you so fast. You haven't heard of just a better gun if you really want to have a really. You guys have some pretty spooky guns in here, man. It's so much better than.

Yeah. Yeah, it's not even the best gun in the, like, spaceship area. What did it even look like? Would it be, like, the character, you know, in Goonie's data has the vest where, like, a punching, like a boxing glove pops out of? Springload of, yeah. Would that be, like, just have a xenomorph that, like, pops out of a container? Like, how are you going to weaponize that? You open your vest and then a xenomorph pops out of your chest and, like, yeah.

Every time they've tried to depend. pick that on screen as the xenomorph being a quote-unquote perfect weapon, all it does is kill some, quite a lot of the people in the area. Yeah. It doesn't do anything that a fucking, like, cruise missile couldn't do a billion times more efficiently. If you have the technology for interplanetary travel, I'd imagine your weapons might be better than just unleashing a drooly monster.

I'm so sorry, but, like, yeah, I'm just like putting a big bug in the house. cannot be the best way to do this. Yeah, it's like the equivalent of, like, putting some bees under someone's door and then, like, walking away, giggling to yourself. And then they're like, I was on vacation. I came home. There's, like, three dead bees in my living room.

Or, like, the bees killed a bunch of stuff. Right. Why would you do that, man? That's such an insane way to kill people. Man, if everybody stays inside this house, who we want to stay inside this house, we're in business. There's just too many variables.

It's too many variables. I don't like it. I don't like it. It's a dumb idea. On the house? Yeah. Bad idea. Yeah.

Do you ever want to use that spaceship for your own? No. Oh, you just want to kill some of the people in it real scarily? Okay. They're like still at the ancient like using an asp as a weapon. Yeah. Version of like weapons. Yeah.

Unleashed the asp on Cleopatra. What? Oh, it's so inefficient. Your city with scorpions. Yeah. Like, what do you? I just, I, listen, I get that it's a monster. I just think the underlying research imperative seems shaky at best.

Monster can't even close its fucking mouth. Yeah. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, that's so kind of you to ask, Jack. Oh, my God, you're so grateful. Funny that you bring that up because my actual last Google search was, what is the newest research? search about octopuses being sentient and um and so then i got on a and a deep dive on that and i will be publishing a sub stack later today with on your findings on some of it yeah yeah or do you like

eating octopus and well i was raised on it my whole life i was saying sorry blair is housing octopus right now everybody uh he's not watching the video just a lot all over her face still moving no it's something i've come to, that's all very sad, confusing, sort of reckoning that I have to be honest with myself about, because I come from a diving family. So I've eaten it my whole life quite a bit. Diving, not like competitive pool diving, but like diving in the ocean, like capture diving, spearfishing, all that. No, actually, Jack, I'm very sorry to correct you, but the correct nomenclature at this time has been changed back to octopuses, not like octopies. like when we were taught when we were young.

Well, I'll just correct both of you. I said catching octopus. Like, general, like catching fish instead of fishes. So you're both wrong. Yeah, I can see where you're going with that one. Is fish is a word? No. I mean, fishes in terms of the present tense.

Yeah. Look, man. I got a lot of table. It's 9-11, all right? Yeah, you're right. You got to give me a break. But you can't believe it all on 9-11, Jack. Can't blame it all on 9-11, but it certainly didn't help, Miles.

Wait, so then are you, so now you're a little bit, because I feel the same way, because every time you see a documentary or something about an octopus, you're like, oh, my God, they're fucking, they know, they know too much. Well, apparently, they're sentient, and they can recognize faces. They're extremely intelligent. They can edit their own RNA, which is the precursor to editing their own DNA. And so, like, you know, there's all this new research coming out about it. And it's basically, to me, I'm like, oh, my God, it's like eating a dog.

And I just don't feel like it's ethical, even though, you know, I eat cows, which I do feel guilty about every day as well, even though I don't foresee stopping. But you're an athletic specimen. You got to keep, you got to pack in the protein. Thank you. I am a carnivore, but I'm deciding. I'm making an executive decision, I think, to stop eating octopus going forward. Yeah. Yeah, octopus is so prevalent in, like, Japanese food, too, that, like, I was raised eating, like, Takoyaki, which is, like, the octopus ball thing or, like, taco wasa, which is, like, like, wasabi root with, like, raw octopus. It's, like, a really good little side thing. And, yeah, every time I, like, see that, it is just sort of like, oh, fuck. But then I just...

I've noticed a stirring of guilt inside me, like, the last year or so. And, you know, I am very, very addicted to TikTok, so I'm really. and taking a lot of info at all times. Good, good, good. And so I just had to make the decision. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, they sound more advanced than, like, the DNA RNA. Yeah. Like, that sounds, I don't, like, I've tried that before. It hasn't totally worked out the ability to edit my own DNA and RNA just with sheer tyranny

of will. So that's pretty, pretty impressive. They don't, they don't live long lives. I've long had this theory that octopi, octopuses, octopyses would be way more advanced if, like, they would run the globe and be like waging wars or not, you know, just being cool. But like they, we would work for octopuses if they just had longer lifespans. Well, there also have been discovering new species and are saying that there are. are many other octopus species that we haven't even discovered yet and that they are possibly linked to our own evolutionary, uh, whatever.

Like we're all octopuses. Maybe I don't know. Or extraterrestrial. We'll see. At the risk of, um, the ziking listeners thinking I'm a total quack. Yeah. They would never. They would never.

No, no, you're goaded. You're goaded with the sauce. I have some odd special I only found out of autistic six months ago but it explains a lot like my whole life really makes sense now

like I mean I'm like I complain how I have so much stuff to do and then I spent like all morning like just researching about octopus why I don't know no say it that's the info you needed that's what I needed I guess What is something you think is overrated

efficiency? I think I spent a lot of time studying algorithms, studying how people optimize for things. And I don't think that's where we find meaning and thing. Like Uber eats like delivering something straight to your doorstep. You don't experience the friction that makes life feel worth living. You don't bump into your friend in the street. You don't interact with your local community. The efficiency of algorithms and how everything is streamlined in society is kind of boring to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you hate running into people you went to high school with in public when you're high and you just want to get Taco Bell just quietly. There's a time in place, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always found people to be an impediment to the efficiency of commerce. And so that's why I'm really excited about this new direction that our society has taken. This actually gets to kind of my first question for you is just, you know, the difference between, I feel like you did a post on like quant speak and like how the, the language.

of efficiency is sort of bleeding in, like, I, one example that I've noticed, I don't know if this would be categorized the same in your book, but like, the phrase replacement level is the thing that I've, like, from the world of sports analytics, which is just like, yeah, they're like an average player, but it like adds this sort of dark fascist, like Thomas the tank engine thing where like everybody is just replaceable, interchangeable. Yeah, people as commodities. Like, so I do, I notice that as a, as a newish trend, sort of vying with the more broad trends of, like, language seems to historically and even modern, like, today feel, it's like

a democratic phenomenon. It's, like, not top down. And it's, you know, it comes from, like, teenagers or, like, frequently persecuted minority groups and like it's a way for people without officially sanctioned power to like weird wield their creativity and like power which is i think beautiful and that's what you see with a lot of these linguistic trends that scare people online but then yeah i do i do see also you know whether it be the world of like you know like analytics people or stat people or just like the corporate world you know, creating these new phrases. I feel like that's sort of an interesting like

dark and light side battle that we see in linguistics happening all the time. Do you think about it that way at all? That's so interesting. No, I think each community always finds the best way to speak for that community and it changes as the vibe changes. Again, I think the vibe is important here. It's very probably true that since the money ball era started, the sports language has gotten more about like quantifying things and you're talking more about things like RBI's you used to. Probably. People care about stats a lot more. I think as communities have shared values, language emerges to reflect those values. So the video you were referencing was about how math nerds and CS people kind of find streamlined optimized ways of communicating. I think that's definitely

true because their goal is to find efficient ways maybe mathematically to express things. Same things is happening with middle schoolers, right? Middle schoolers are just vibing in that they are using language to connect with other middle schoolers, to differentiate. their identity from adults. And that distinction between top down and bottom up is kind of constant that we always impose like a layer like through dictionaries or through formal rules of what language is supposed to be. But then in reality, that doesn't fit onto everybody and then different communities find their own ways of expressing themselves. Right. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, it's a fit rate. They're trying to find the most efficient way to communicate, but

they're also trying to make each other laugh and trying to impress people, you know. And like, There's this book about the evolution of birds and the role of beauty and, like, how birds evolved. And so, like, you know, we tend to think of, you know, the way evolution works as, like, the survival of the fittest being, like, you know, it's just everything is a something that was evolved to, like, feed or, like, defeat or dominate the other side. And it's like, know a lot of the stuff that birds have evolved to do is just to be, like, beautiful in a way. way that is like attract some other mate you know and so I feel like similarly in language you have how to most efficiently communicate your meaning but also how to do so in a way that is just like fun you know and like makes people laugh and makes people impressed by your creativity a little bit yeah I don't think everything is about efficiency right I think it can also be you're joking

you're kind of trying to communicate that you're chill or laid back those those things aren't efficient. If you're being efficient, that isn't chill or laid back in, I don't know, like, surfer communities, like, we'll talk differently than the quants, you know, because they have a different goal in mind. They have a different vibe of how they're approaching language. Yeah. It does feel like teenagers, like how we experience language being spoken by teenagers today, and then how we actually use language that was spoken by teenagers in years past is like kind of at, you know, people don't realize how much of our modern dialect is. just created by sort of younger people or, you know, I've heard people talk about upspeak being

a thing that was started by teen girls and criticized and criticized and criticized and until the people criticizing it were also doing it with upspeak, you know? How do you, like, is that sort of a constant in your study of like how language evolves or also like persecuted minority groups like gay and black people? You seem to really know what's happening that it often does come out of these minority groups because they have the biggest reason to defy the hierarchical imposition of language because that's not their version of language. The language that's being imposed is like the super straight white old man version of language. So minority groups, women, they're going to want to eventually talk differently than they do. And then they're kind of scrutinized by these other

people, except these young people and the marginalized communities are the ones that are actually generating the new language. And sometimes that leaks into the mainstream and then it gets adopted and then it gets institutionalized. And then we once again, get like that it came from that group this is a time honored process that we see over and over again but yeah you you seem to really have a good grasp of that i think we have a tendency to call things brain rot right and uh the idea that words are bad for your brain uh it's kind of funny i think brain rot is also a meme aesthetic and to be fair it the words that are spreading right now fit into that meme aesthetic really well and the aesthetic is like pointing back to the

algorithm and how the algorithm is bad for our brains and these words are coming from the algorithm Riz, Skibody, Ohio, Dubai, Chocola, Lubu Macha, you know, all of those are memes brought to us by the algorithm, and the words are funny because they're, like, algorithmic words. But I don't think the words themselves are bad. But, you know, we do have this tendency to call language bad, and we've been doing it time and time again. And you go back to the 1900s, and there are articles about people, like, being upset at words that we now find normal.

Right, right. I wonder, too, like, if it's kind of, you know, we sort of speak the same way, especially as kids, because you're referencing something in pop culture. or like sort of in group as like young people. This is like a shared experience or value. And I wonder too because like I was trying to think like, what the fuck was I saying that would have even been perceived as brain rot, quote unquote, like because again, this is all generationally cyclical where the like they go,

what are the kids talking about these days? And I'm like, I wonder too, because like in the 80s and 90s, there was really a very limited amount of content, movies, TV, that sort of a lot of people were experiencing. at the same time. But with the internet, it becomes so much more specific that suddenly, like, everyone knows Ace Ventura or everyone knows the Budweiser frogs. So being like, we're saying like, still do that to this day.

Yeah, same. Or all righty then is, again, the same way. We were just saying some dumb shit because it's from this thing you like, not because you're like, that's the way I talk. You're like, we're saying the thing from the thing we like that now because there's so many different, like, sort of input. for like what that what can affect someone's language or the kind of content that they have an affinity for that's that now it's like people are like well i don't know fucking skibbity of toilet so what the fuck is skibbity toilet no literally i think you have you raised a really good point about like media and the role that media plays and our adoption of slang and it's always been based on what we're consuming so when hip hop in the 90s was influencing language people would say things like oh shizzle and then um to this when you know movies were influencing uh culture people is you know was i You know, the millennial slang that doesn't really stick around.

Some of it does stick around, you know. Words like cool emerge from minority communities are now just like a part of language. But Vine, I think in 2014, people were saying things like Bay Fam on Fleak way more. Sometimes those are still around, but I think largely they were a fat in the general population. And same thing is happening now with TikTok. Some of the words are going to stick around. Some of them aren't. Yeah.

I also wonder if they're having to, like if we're seeing this moment of exploding, you know, slang that is, like, kind of extra inscrutable because everybody, like, as Miles, as you were talking about, like, what were the words that we said to, like, define ourselves away from, like, previous generations? It was a lot of, like, swearing, right? Yeah, yeah, to this day. Yeah, terrible. Terrible mouth. But now the fucking president, like, swears. And, like, the vice president, you know, they're constantly swearing. So, like, I feel like you need new tools that aren't just the standard old tools of like saying bad words, but like you have to like create your own sort of aggressive words that like won't be used by

the president. You know what I mean? Yeah. I wonder if that that is pushing the young people to like have to get extra creative and like create new ways of speaking because literally everybody says everything's on the table. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're kind of right. that like absurdism is the only option here and the importance of identity formation because young people are always trying to build a shared identity for themselves that's different from the identity of adults because they're trying to figure out who they are in the world that's normal that's why young people are always the ones that are coming up with slang whereas old people have a crystallized idea of who they are and what language is but in a world where

I think things are overly structured like through algorithms which force feed us like the content that makes them money and through like I think society is structuring things a lot more. But at the same time, we have this uncertainty about what's going on, and then we turn to absurdism. In the same way, I think you're right to point out Dadaism in like the 1910s. I think that's a really good analogy. There was a kind of that period of uncertainty going on as well. Yeah. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season at free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a hundred and one-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

And he got down, and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with the one, the only, Cardi B.

My marriage, I felt the love dying. I was crying every day. I felt in the deepest depression that I had ever had. How do you think you're misunderstood? I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that I am. I'm too compassionate. I have sympathy for that fuck my man. Put so much heart and soul into your work.

What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism? This shit was not given to me. I worked my ass off for me. Even when I was a stripper, I'm gonna be the best pole dancer in here. When was the moment you felt I did it? I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable. I fight every day. to keep this level of success

because people want to take it from you so bad. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like

the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present IVF disrupted, The Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company, that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. by what all the bright and shiny listen to IVF disrupted the kind body story starting september 19 on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are i just so this is always kind of a mirror that you hold up to yourself when you do this segment but the last thing I had searched was, are there any laws about headlights, Reddit? So I just simply don't know if there's

any laws about how bright headlights are allowed to be. Is anyone allowed to do anything? Some of them are so upsettingly bright. And I was just in North Carolina, which is what made me search this, because all the headlights there are at all the, it's all trucks there. And it seems like people lift their truck to what I like to call toddler blind spot inches high. And so every single truck is like, They're like, I just see my truck just high enough to where I could clip the top of a skull if it was learning to walk. Number one, toddler predator. Yeah. Dodge Ram is actually the two verbs kids need around these trucks.

And so I'm in a regular human rental car being followed by a truck and I cannot see. And so I didn't search it while driving, but I do think it's actually illegal there to not be on your phone. are we are there any laws for headlights and did you find out like are there because i had the thought to search this started searching it clipped a toddler had to throw my phone out the window so that nobody clipped a toddler sounds like those parents exploiting their kids clipped a toddler i thought the the rule about taillights was you aren't allowed to have them or not have them if you're black like i thought that was the thing right That's right.

Tail lights, yes, yeah, yeah. Well, that part of the Internet's banned in North Carolina. The answers to that, you're actually not allowed to access. The part of the Internet is too. The part that could help a minority. It's like Tiananmen Square in China. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was no definitive answer and honestly hard to read because I was in a hotel and yet again

headlights outside were so bright. I can't deal with it. What are we doing? National Lampoom's Christmas vacation. When you first started this, I was like, like oh god we are old like yeah oh it's the oldest i've ever felt yeah but it makes sense i get really upset when restaurants are too dim now i'm like these fucking guys they think that we can't read the menu in here oh i just ate at a restaurant down street uh for me i say just it was it was a long time ago a month a month ago but the guy pulled it was so dim the guy pulled his phone out to read the menu and then just never turned the flashlight off the rest of his time in the restaurant he was trying to help the rest of the rest of of the restaurant. It was like he had a little disco ball on his table at any given moment that might blind

you or might help you. Oh, you had dinner with my father. That's, uh, that must have been nice. Tell them I said, hi. Uh, but I have no idea about headlights. I still don't know the answer. I don't know. Can we leave that up to the States?

I wish we wouldn't because, uh, I feel like something bad is going to happen. I know. I don't like telling people I'm, uh, you're either pro light or pro choice, but. Yeah. Headlights are going to only, can only be dimmed by the corpse of a child. You can put a windshield wiper on there To get thin hair off of it After you run a kid over

Is anyone know how to get big wheel out of a truck? I forgot how dark I forgot how dark your company is I don't know why I forgot Every time I see one of these trucks I'm like they're going to run over the kid From the Incredibles that was in his driveway That's what this looks like to me

Right I just realized I know why there aren't like creepy kids on bikes anymore And they all are like throwbacks to the 80s because they all have been wiped out. That's why it takes so long for them to make a new season of Stranger Think they'd let the kids grow out of the

blind spot. I know that people always talk about how yeah, but if it's like super bright, it's kind of like this arms race that's happening with the size of cars and this is like also a part of that where like the size of

cars, the people inside the car are safer is everyone outside the car that's like less safe because of how talking about Tiananmen Square. They were very safe in the tank. Inside the tank, yeah. But historically unsafe out of it. I was always worried about the people inside the tank when I saw that bit, but apparently they were fine. It was that guy holding his groceries. But yeah, and then like super bright lights, it's like, well, nobody's going to run into you. And it's like, well, they can't see. So they might run into other things. And it's like, not you, though.

You know what I mean? Like it just has this like weird prisoners dilemma, like, zero-sum thing that's happening. It's a trolley problem where you invented the track. Right. Yeah. It's a troll problem, except they're like, is there a way I can run over some of them, back up, change direction, then run over the one guy all so I can try and save a little bit on taxes in my mind.

But yeah, trying to research this, like headlights are too bright, but U.S. experts say they're not bright enough on Reddit, the first one. Brightness isn't the issue. I'm like, all right, well, I've checked out. It's actually the direction that you aim it. And my brain shuts down. I'm like, I can't. I don't want to hear that.

How is Brightness, not the issue. I learned nothing, and I just got a little more angry about the Internet. Yes, that's right. My underrated, Mads-Mickleson's desire to be, like, held down slash tied up, just any, any, so as you, I've talked about before, my, probably my favorite thing I wrote back in the cracked days was this article about actors who kind of like to do the same thing. in every movie. Tom Cruise likes to run. Brad Pitt likes to eat. John Cusag likes to get stuck in the rain.

And the ultimate, Tom Hanks, love to pee in a movie. Loves a piss. He loves to pee in a movie. And I'm just obsessed with the idea of like how that happens. I'm just obsessed with the idea of watching people pee. Yeah.

I like you go. And the internet's amazing because you can find so many videos of it. so many um just like how that happens right right right is it a note from the actor but anyways uh somebody on uh twitter uh who it goes by v i z la gf on twitter uh posted uh posted a super cut of mads mckelson like being tied up or tied down or like held down or tying somebody else down and it's just there's a lot to go off of yeah um it's why does you have a a boner in all these shots too raging boners so the

the projects are polar the starvation Hannibal uh bitch better have my money music video is he's in there being tied tied up uh exit casino royale unit one Valhalla rising um

Dr. Strange and then something called the call which is a furniture ad in which he like gets so it's interesting that these are like there are some weird projects on there like on the one hand you can be like man they're really scraping to find examples of this on the other it's a lot you can read it as like he will take a job that doesn't make any sense for him like a riana video or a furniture ad if they're just like yeah but we'll hold your arms down in like kind of a sexual context his agents

like mad's i got this new script for you he's like you you already know what i'm going to ask you know what i'm going to ask why are you even why are we even talking about it right now but mads this could be just say it what am i going to ask are fine is it bondage is it hold me down is it bondage okay then yes but this is uh it uh it's for the trump administration i care um their ropes work too i i don't know if this is more this one feels more in line with like tom hanks because like i the brad pit one the john kusack it's just like Tom Cruise are like, this is the thing I look cool doing. Whereas the Tom Hanks and like this one, I can't imagine they think it looks cool.

It feels like it's coming from like a deep like psychosexual urge that they have. This is probably why Tom Hanks isn't canceled is because he's found a way to route any kind of weird sexual desire into like somewhat a creative outlet. He's like, look, as long as I'm pissing in a film, like I can keep my shit together. And that's what I need. All those people. I walk around this country. I make eye contact with people. And I know.

And that's where my confidence comes around. They've watched me piss. Like the ass pennies. Yeah. There it is. My God. We literally finish each other sandwiches. Did you see that clip of Ben Stiller talking?

Because it had been like 20 something years since that MTV movie awards where he was pretending to be Tom Cruise. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, and he was like, I thought I'd be nervous. He's like, but the second I started. doing it like he was he was just all in and he's like and that made it so much easier i thought i don't know what the fuck does how he was going to react and he's like he started laughing then i started he's

like that scene where they just kind of start laughing like mannically at each other he just said that just started with him laughing and then tom cruise reacting and him just kind of they just kept reacting to each other beautiful moment for all my old ass chugi listeners out there who remember that storied MTV movie awards when we used to watch them live the premise was that Ben Stiller is his body double, right? Yeah. Like, but then like he's like, and we're exactly, we're basically the same person

and it's clear that he has this like obsessive relationship with him. Um, and is like trying to make things happen. That aren't quite working. Both 5-7 too. So. There you go. What is something you think is underrated? Um, okay.

This is something that when I used to live in the bay and I had rich ass friends. who were in tech and they shout out to the rich friends rich friends they don't talk to me anymore um Bay Area

but they will soon start making phone calls again once they get the meta glasses. Yeah that's true. They can just like point to their temple and Polyby and they call me CVS no CVS

your extra care savings no no polyvie um they like would outsource like all of their chores and I'm like I feel like chores are underrated like cleaning like laundry dishes cleaning like you don't want to be overwhelmed by it but if you haven't like changed your child's diaper ever then like I feel like you're not living in the same plane of existence as me do you know what I mean oh if you don't change your mama bear

okay daddy daddy bear doesn't get his paws dirty with do yeah can I'm not there bringing the honey no can do no can do I don't know what your audience is, but the bears are tuning in, okay? They're excited. That is so funny. Yeah, I mean, like, whenever I hear people, like, earnestly be like, oh, I don't change diapers. I'm like, you're a fucked up person. It's kind of, like, so, we talked about this with, like, J.D. Vance, right?

Didn't we, didn't he have something about, like, not interacting with his kid in, like, a very humane way? Yeah, yeah. I forget. It's one of the many famous Vance. or he's like, I think he's like, he's like, my wife like likes to like coddle them. I just kind of yell at him. And you're like, oh.

It's the mama, dad, a bear, you know. I am a mean to them and don't really look at them. I don't want to deal with that shit. And then my wife cleans up my mess. He's like, I learned it from succession. That's how I learned. That's the parenting book I read. Yep.

Yeah. It's like, that's a show. That's a show. It's a, it's a parenting tone. home, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And just generally, I do think boredom, downtime. Like, I listen to podcasts a lot for a fucking living sometimes. Yikes. And, but just like carving out time to do boring tasks, like, clean up without anything, without like anything going on, you know? Yeah. It's the mind mindfulness as a chore wheel. What's your favorite chore?

What's your favorite chore? I really like doing laundry. Like, I like, I like the folding and putting away of laundry because it feels like a fresh start. I also get to look at things that I have and be grateful for them. And like, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, like, this is a cute. Yeah. And I also like don't like, I don't like things too much where I have to wash my hands a lot because my hands get like dry really quickly.

So like dishes I don't like or like cleaning the toilet and like washing my hands. my hands, you know, like, I just don't like weird, wet situations. You don't like washing your hands after using the toilet? Listen, I think that you don't need to use shampoo and you don't need to wash your hands. Okay, you are- And deodorant can be made out of bark. Okay, well, when the Democrats take over, you'd be a great pick for Secretary of Defense. Thank you so much.

Yeah. That's Pete Hexas. Excuse me, germ theory? He never washed his hands after he pooped because it, like, made him stronger somehow. I was just reading back to like the chore thing. He's texting a signal chat with shit hands. He's like, hey, get my cell phone, man. Bring my phone over here.

You're like, oh, dude, there's some. He's like, how come the charging ports all clogged up with stuff? He's like, I don't know. That's why I got the magnetic charger because that hole's all like crust, you know. I was reading a thing that like it was a poll of parents talking about allowances and like how kids like the financial awareness of children. And of like these 2,000 parents that they had pulled, they were saying their like average allowance is around 120 bucks a month. And I was like, damn.

Inflation. I'm like, how come wages actually haven't gone up in, like, in a way with allowance is not fixed up to wages. Literally everything's gone up. I got five bucks a week. And if I was lucky. We didn't. Because my parents were like,

This is your home. But also, like, they didn't ask us to do too many things. Like, they did, obviously, like, the majority of stuff. But they'd ask us to help, like, a little bit here and there. They wanted us to be kids, basically. Yeah, yeah. And so, but they were also like, we're not going to pay you. Like, you live here.

Right, right. It was, yeah, like, I was, the thing was, like, they would pay me to pick up dog poop. And, like, they had, like, a per bag thing. I was breaking down pieces of shit and bagging it up individually. That is so funny. My fucking allowance. You were in a poop trap house, like just cutting up. Bagging up, dude, yeah, butt naked, bagging it up.

Black balloon meant something totally different for you. That's right. Trying to put poop into a balloon. It's not, I wouldn't recommend it. You just need a thing that opens it up. I do it all the time. You do it now, too. Your wife does you.

You get a PVC pipe thing that's big enough, just wrap the end of it right there, then perfect funnel. You're going to get accused of fraud and your parents are going to require back pay on this. I'm sorry. They've already, they've already demanded it. I have to pay. Paula, what's something you think is overrated?

Okay. This is something I've started to recently. I think I've done it throughout different points in my life. I think like shopping online, shopping at stores, overrated. Shop at your friend who hordes stuff's place. Okay? because they have a wonderful, unique selection of items. Curated goods, yeah.

Curated goods that they find value in. Maybe you will too. And then also, I feel like they're more likely to relinquish it to someone that they know and love. So you're helping them. And it's free. It's like the Facebook marketplace of, like, you know, issues. Fucking hero. Yeah.

It's great. It feels like it works perfectly, like psychologically with the mentality of a hoarder who's like, I have to keep that because I never know when someone might need it or I might need it. And if you as a third party come in and go, hey, you know, I can get a lot of use out of that. Desperately need it. God, please fucking take it, please. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because the throwing away, I feel like is the thing, right? Yeah, they wanted to be useful. Yeah. It's like extreme sustainability. So what happened? So what did you get in your latest hoarder shopping? I got a really cool jean jacket.

Okay. It was new, okay. Oh, new with tags? NWTS? No tags, but it was new. It was like never used. And then I got like, I'm getting like a comforter because I like don't have a comforter.

I don't want to let this person is great shit. I thought you're going to be like an old game day program from a. No. No. But hoarders do have nice shit sometimes. You know, like it's, it's, you got to, you got to be. friends with the, most people who are like, I want to be friends with a guy with a boat. Fuck that.

Yeah. I don't want a boat that's full of shit. You want to be friends with someone who has 3,000 unopened Coke cans from the 1990s. Yeah. Yeah. If I need a wire, I can just go. I don't need to. What is?

Radio Shack is out of business. Yeah. Any sort of wire. I call my friend's closet circuit city. Your hoarder sounds more organized than the hoarders that I'm familiar with. You need to have, like, it's a very specific type of... Sounds like you cultivate, you hoard relationships with hoarders.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm so sorry. I feel like that's really minimalizing what they're going through. You're also a hoarder who like, takes them down. You're a hoarding vampire. You're just like, yeah. Yeah. Take them down by hoarding them yourself.

Yeah. That's pretty impressive. People, you know, there are all these like hoarder reality shows. I'm doing the hard work away from camera. After the production team leaves, Pahlavi pulls up. Yeah, I'm the person. I'm like the boom mic operator. And I'm like, hey, if you don't want.

Hey, you need that. While you're operating boom, you're like, hey, you need that. Hey, what's going on? Hey, what's up with that thing over there? Hey, that therapist is actually really fucked up. Come talk to me after this. Because it's actually super valuable. You're like, you're actually just hoarding other people.

You're outsourcing your place to be a secondary unit for just a wall of old newspapers stacked up precariously. I might need to read. I have a good friend who's in the process of moving and he's like a reverse hoarder where he's now, I'm having to be like, don't throw that out. I was going to say like minimalism is the opposite. Yeah. Right. He's throwing away, like, a work of art from his grandfather who's, like, a famous artist. Okay, is he mentally okay, though, because that's, like, worrisome, actually.

I was like, that's, this is good, you, you'll want this. He's like, well, I, I haven't used it in, like, a couple in the years that I've had. That's smacks of somebody who has a lot of resources to. That's exactly what I was going to say. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, that's really bad because, like, the people I know who are like that are truly everything is so fucking disposable.

They're like, we can just buy whatever we want. That's what exactly would have. And like this is of sentimental value. Yeah. That's so crazy. No, I would check on him. He believes in nothing. He believes in Nassi.

Yeah. Does you have any nice stuff? Because yeah, Paula V and I might stop. Yeah, actually. Could you? Roll by. I need some grandfather art. Hey, what's up with their shoes?

What size are you, my man? I'm a 12. Yeah, I'm wearing these. You don't need them, dude. What's that? It's sentimental. I don't have any sentiments. Give it to me.

What's in this weird pot? I'm dumping all this. dust out of this pot. What is this? That was my grandfather. Ah, whatever. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Something that I can say that just gets my mom listens to this

is my last Google I was searching Minnesota spiders. We were talking about this before the show a little bit. I actually have been Googling spiders because there is a fat spider in my yard that is, you know, when a bug is so big that you're like,

I think if I'd kill you, I go to jail. It's that level. It's that level of spider. Yeah. It's really, I take like several blows from like a newspaper. Yeah. It's not a,

it's not a fly swatter situation. We're squaring up. We're bad. I need a gloves. I need a can of paint. Yeah. And like a torch. But so this,

this, I, my, my position is outdoor spiders are fine. They're, they're not bothering me, whatever. Yeah.

I need to cut my lawn. My lawn is looking. terrible right now because I am that the spider is the alpha in my yard right now the spider is the alpha in my house is just one spider it's literally one but I'm not kidding it's probably it's probably like it's bit for me for Minnesota it's bit right right right right like if I if I kill it it'll crunch and I don't like that sort of yeah I don't know I don't want to disturb it's like it's kind of like it's a beautiful thing what's your concern like you're going to be mowing your lawn and then you're going to lawn mower the fuck out of it or something or you just don't want

it or it's going to descend on you as you're going to touch me. Yeah, I don't want to let it burn. I don't care. But like it's, it's just big enough that I feel like it might have a margin of intelligence. And I would have to push more through it if I'm going to cut my grass. So I've been thinking about like, should I leave it? Is it deadly? That's just a stupid question in Minnesota. But whatever. So I Google. It's not. I Google, I Google Minnesota spiders. And I was just trying to see what kind of spider is. I still haven't quite figured it out. When you said you Googled Minnesota Spine, I thought, I was hoping it was like a minor league hockey team.

That does sound good. Minnesota spiders, you know what I mean? Because I know University of Richmond, they're the spiders. They got spiders. I always, like, whenever I see that basketball jersey, I'm like, that's the sickest jersey out there. It rules. It's just fucking spiders on it. Nobody fucks with the spider as a mascot, which is really odd to me.

Yeah, people choose demon over spider. That's how much they don't. Yeah. That is wild. Anything but a spider, huh? Huh. Like multiple colors of demon. There's like blue demon.

red devil like yeah and they's double down too the worst the worst article in clothing yeah hornets get a lot colors what do we go with uh yeah yeah no one's done the roaches yet or anything that's that's that's that's the bottom twos but a spider's intimidating you know what i mean it's gross they're like alphas yeah they're bullying you out of your own yard like imagine imagine imagine losing to the spiders and then they just like lay eggs in your girl after the game or something like that's a tough that's a tough yeah exactly they're like and thousands of them bro yeah yeah you're a father now i'm not going to be here to take care of it you just ate me you got 3,000 chef children yeah i think that's praying mantises uh yeah i've got i've got a spider

in my front yard that has been it just like found the best spot so it's like always outside the same window. It's built an elaborate web that comes down sometimes and then we'll just be back the next day. It's just out here building and then feasting. It is getting like noticeably bigger as it is like is killing it. It had a great September, I will say. Now, do you guys have this? You're in L.A. right? Yeah. Do you have those, we don't have them here yet, but they're on the East Coast and I'm waiting for this when this happens. Do you have those like, quote, quote flying spiders like they float on their webs and then they're huge and they just like rain down from the sky and just land no but i've seen videos of those get ready yeah yeah that they like

sail on their webs yeah yeah yeah i'm good with the spiders my spider karma is really good so i'm like i'm like yeah bring it man i fuck with you people are worried about AI they should be worried about those spiders raining from the sky one of my favorite like piece of information i learned in the past couple years was that like the sky you like you look up at the sky and it appears to be blue or gray or whatever but like it's actually full of bugs like the bugs are just like flat not just like flying bugs but like bugs that bugs that don't fly just like catch a ride on the wind all the time and like there if you just like cut a square chunk like of the sky above you there would just be like tens of thousands of bugs just like floating around up there

the bugs world I've always said that they just like decide they don't want to be where they are and they just like lift up their arms and get taken away on that gust of wind it's fucking sick that's freedom man yeah that's what i'm talking about they're actively trying to end their own lives and then they just have the best ride of their life i'm good now we're like me away yeah okay that's right i'd like to do that they're like hands up and you put your hands up and then just get just somewhere else batman get dark knighted out of there all right and that is it for this special indigenous people's day edition of oops all overrated, underrated,

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