The Daily Zeitgeist - Oscars So … Bearable, So Hanoi-ing 2.26.19

Episode Date: February 26, 2019

In episode 336, Miles and special guest host are joined by The Daily Zeitgeist co-host Jack O'Brien to discuss R. Kelly's indictment, Trump kissing a campaign staffer without her consent, the Academy Awards, Trump's upcoming meeting with Kim Jong Un, Donald Trump Jr.'s problems with Twitter, how Facebook moderates their content, dogs watching Lion King, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. R. Kelly pleads not guilty to sex abuse. An accuser's attorney says there's more video evidence against him2. Former campaign staffer alleges in lawsuit that Trump kissed her without her consent. The White House denies the charge. 3. Oscars 2019: Takeaways from the 'host-free' Academy Awards4. Fox host: Why does Trump say he "fell in love" with Kim Jong Un5. Don Jr explains to Fox hosts the "dry run" conspiracy against his "likes" and "new follows" on Twitter.6. Facebook not protecting content moderators from mental trauma: lawsuit7. THE TRAUMA FLOOR8. WATCH: Nick Hakim - Green Twins (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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New episodes every Thursday. Oh, well, hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 71, Episode 2 of The Daily Zeitgeist, the podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and sometimes subconsciousness. I'm your host, yes, your host, Mr. Miles Gray, aka just like the gray-winged dove, Miles sings a song, sounds like he's singing

Say who, hey who's losing his hair? And yes, thank you to Travis Stockstill, at Travis S. Butcher, the American Butcher himself. If you're looking for tasty cuts of meat, I suggest you follow at American Butcher on Instagram. That is where the homie's holding it down. And I am pleased to be joined by my co-host, as always, my co-host, Miss Jamie Loftus.

A.K.A. Oh, fuck. Here we go. Somebody once told me the world is a zamboni. I am the brightest star in the Zyke and Hulu. I was looking pretty sweet on my page on WikiFeed. And the scabs that I come, they're all dry, man. Well, okay.

What do you mean it's all dry? The scabs that I come, they're all dry, man. Team dry scabs. Oh, team dry scabs for life. Fuck what Caitlyn says. It's dry scabs all day. She's wrong, man. She's just a contrarian.

She's lost in the woods. That was from Steve. Oh, Steve. Yeah. Thank was from Steve. Oh, Steve. Yeah. Thank you so much. Well, Jamie, you know, now that we're doing the Daily Zeitgeist, it's become a regular thing. We always like to have guests with us. Yeah, no, I'm so excited about you.

And today's guest is, you know, I don't know too much about. But when Anna said we booked this guy, I was like, all right, let's give it a go. Please welcome Jack. Jack. Jack. Jack. O'Brien. Welcome. Funky little Jack.

Funky little Jack. That's right. I'm back, motherfuckers. All right. Funky little Jack. And he's back. And I'm back. Shout out to...

My blood pressure just spiked. Shout out to Amy Miller, Zayt guest Amy Miller, who was on the show Punch Up the Jam where they did Love Shack. And that's her favorite song of all time. I love that song. It's a great song.

It is a good song. Oh, Jack. Also, oh yeah, I was on Amy Miller's podcast. So y'all go check out who's your god i was on there last week you can go see that or listen to that here we talk about my beliefs systems and how i stay so fly how is that mostly what it's about yeah it's just about you know like you know looking into the mirror and if you don't like something do whatever you can to change it that's my that's sort of my life philosophy

by any means necessary. Like mainly focusing on- By force. By force, yes. Brute force. Brute force makeovers with Miles. And mostly focusing on the eyebrows. The eyebrows, the erectile dysfunction.

Gotta get those eyebrows on fleek. Eyebrow seating hairline, all of that, yeah. Well, I'm back from the woods. How was that? Did you learn anything? Dark. Yeah. You know the woods episode of Atlanta, yeah. Well, I'm back from the woods. How was that? Did you learn anything? Dark. Yeah. You know the woods episode of Atlanta?

Yeah. That is like a child's film compared to what I just lived through. Okay, well, we don't have to tell everybody about what happened. Yeah, no, no, we won't. Well, Amy, or fuck, Jamie. Oh, my God. I am very rusty. Shame.

Oh, my God. Amy. Yeah, that felt like a direct attack. Oh, my God. I am very rusty. Shane. Oh, my God. Amy. Yeah, that felt like a direct attack. Yeah. Whatever. Amy, is it? All right, Amy Lundgren. Amy, loop, loop.

What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Wait, are you not going to tell people what we're going to talk about today? Nah, man. Fuck all that. Wow. I like this dude. This is all... This is like gone off.

He still has the fucking blood on his face from that deer he had to kill with his bare hands. Funky little Jack is... It's a new Jack. It's a new Jack.

He's got a new Jack-titude. He's changed. All right, let's talk about... We're going to do a Mengazi update. Mengazi. We're going to talk about them Oscars that happened a couple nights ago.

Jamie is panting in anticipation. We're going to talk about them Oscars that happened a couple nights ago. Jamie is panting in anticipation. We're going to talk about the president's relationship with Kim Jong-un. We're going to talk about Donald Trump Jr., the president's son. I don't know if you heard about this guy. Great chin. Great chin. You said, by the way, that my impression of Rami Malek makes you kind of look like Don makes me look like Don Jr., which made me very self-conscious. And it's all I can think about.

That is why I got your name wrong, is I was thinking about that. We're going to talk about what it's like. This is a job that I always knew had to exist and was wondering how it was psychologically and physically possible that somebody was somewhere moderating Facebook. Oh, gosh. Just all of Facebook and just trying to clear all the garbage from the slipstream of the American Facebook and the global Facebook. And that job is a nightmare.

So we're going to talk about why. And if we have time, we might talk about Mufasa's death. But first, Jamie, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, you know, I'm back on Lamictal. So, you know, I'm search history and math class for adults for fun. But you said you're back on the what? I'm back on Lamictal, which means that my search history is going to be wild.

What's Lamictal? Lamictal is bipolar medication. Oh, okay. And as you get back on, you're like, oh, I'm having strange feelings I haven't thought in a while. For example, I really want to take a math class, but I want to feel good. I don't want to feel stupid. Right, you don't want to be in there with a bunch of genius 13-year-olds. Right, I was like, math class for adults for fun.

As far as I know, in the L.A. area, there's no math classes for adults for fun. I'm sure there's a meetup group, right? I feel like meetup.com has some where like, you know, let's brush up on our trig skills. I'm afraid it'll be fucking, you know, mensons, and they're going to fucking eat. I know. Really, the people you could be falling back on are your mensons. I know, but I was canceled by Mensa. But I want to take math class for adults for fun.

I miss one week. I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about. She's going to the Mensa annual gathering of the Juggalos in Arizona for the official Mensa weekend. Yeah, but they canceled me on their Facebook group. I do remember that. I'm sorry. I'm just getting the math thing because I like math. What is a specific kind of math?

Is it something you miss? You want to do like square roots? I didn't like math, but in retrospect, I feel like I just wasn't good at math. Oh, right. And then was like an asshole overachiever teenager. I was like, fuck math, Ben. I don't need math. Oh, wow.

So what did you supplement math with? I don't know. Like being rude to people. And doing sick drawings on the computer. Yeah. Yeah. And using Microsoft Paint a lot. But I was like, you know what?

I didn't give math a fair shake. I got to go back to math. Yeah. And I've been having math dreams. I've had multiple dreams where I'm taking a math class and I feel great. Oh, wow. I'll just go to take a JUCO class, community college class.

I was looking at that. Oh, I mean, I might have to wait until next semester. I might have to wait until summer session. If there's LA Zeitgang session If you're a math professional math tutor, math teacher I'll do a class with you Yeah? You should come take math That would be a fun friend activity

of like, oh man, Miles and I were in math last night So you're not hoping to really get anything practical out of it It's just more of like your brain craves it. Yeah. I think if I applied myself, I could be better at math.

But I won't know until I take a math class for fun. Is that something that you run up against on a daily basis? No, I'm good at addition and subtraction. Oh, great. Solid. The building blocks of math. That's my main math activities I do now is adding and subtracting. Those are good math activities to do.

But I want to get back into long division. I want to get back to X. Some remainders. Maybe some axes. Oh. And even some shapes. Because geometry was really where I fell off in high school of like, fuck math. Oh, geometric proofs?

Hated them. Mrs. Foley did me dirty. I got my first C in geometry, and then I was like, I'm done. Math is done. Math is over. My geometry teacher had like an American Psycho vibe. He had like the wildest tan,

like intense tan. Like a leathery tan? Yeah, almost. And he had straight, slick back hair. Jackson Maine? Like Patrick Bateman style. No, not like I passed out in the desert. He was hitting the bed.

Okay, got it. And then had straight, slick back hair, and his teeth had a film on it that could only be described as chronic. My Algebra 2 teacher, he was obsessed with corn. The band? No. Oh, fuck him.

The fact that it's in a lot of our food. So he would have Thursday he would pass out he'd be like it's Cornspiracy Thursday and he'd pass out handouts about how corn's gonna fuck us all up and he'd point at our snacks and be like what's the number one ingredient?

And then he'd be like I don't gotta check it's corn. Wow. So I had some bad math experiences. Yeah. Sounds like it scared you off. Because my experience with math is that I have been more amazed at how little I use any of my math education. Like in retrospect, it's just addition and subtraction for me. But that's just me.

I'm not as ambitious. I'm constantly finding myself having to draw out bell curves in three dimensions. You do do that a lot. Maybe that's why I lean on you for my bell curves and therefore I don't need to. I want to be able to be that friend for you. I appreciate that.

What is something you think is underrated? Underrated is, of course, Brody Stevens. Gotta shout him out. If you are not familiar with his work, he passed away last Friday. And Comedy Central has released a lot of his work. They brought it out behind the Viacom paywall. So you can watch his half hour online. You can watch most of his series, Enjoy It, online.

And then he's got a special on Amazon Prime. If you've never heard of him, he's everyone's favorite comedian, and he'll be very missed. Underrated. What is something you think is overrated? Oh, starting an Instagram for your dog. Alright. What? But you've... But I did that yesterday. Right. But I'm already, I'm

enjoying it too. I've just, you were saying, Miles, that I've become the person I said I wouldn't be, like literally two months ago and it's true and i don't like myself for it oh don't do that i'm having the time of my life on this it's just like you didn't know you know i mean you're like the the natives before christianity was brought to them they didn't know they wanted it right until they showed up that's a great analogy that's exactly that tracks Perfect analogy. That reminds me of

takes I've heard in my college classes. Someone needed to hand me the smallpox blanket of a pet Instagram account. I don't know. I've been having fun with it, but it's causing friction in my relationship

because the dog got more followers than my boyfriend in the first day. Wow. So he was just like, hey, what the fuck, man? He's having dog IG account envy? Yeah, he was really, because at first he was like, hey, what the fuck, man? He's having dog IG account envy? Yeah, he was really, because at first he was like, yeah, sure, start the dog and Instagram account.

And then I was hyping it a little bit. And then he was just like, this dog's doing fucking laps around me. I can start seeing him as the numbers go up, like, all right, maybe we can cool it on the. Right. I woke up this morning and he was on his phone already. And he was like, getting pretty close to being tied. And then like an hour later. How many followers does your dog have?

My dog? It's just over 300. Wow. But he was, you know, people like alt-right content and that's why people are going to my dog's page. Oh, is that what's on there? Your dog has an alt-right personality? My dog is. It's all peppy memes?

No, I mean, he's not that bad but he just he's got bad takes he posted his oscar takes and they were not good but he won he won the pot at the party caitlin and i went to because he was just like green book everything behemioracity everything right like he was he was on it so yeah he's he's got some bad takes but if you want brexit to happen you should probably check out his account because he wants brexit to happen great so it is a it is one of the ones where the dog has a editorial voice yeah yeah yeah i'm actually gonna follow then it's all pictures of him shitting and being like men's rights right taking his shit it's like look at the hillary i just took yeah he's he's troubling wow yeah uh well that that sounds like an amazing follow,

and he is going to have the gap between his number of followers and everyone else's is going to continue to grow. At Bad Dog Sonny, check him out. Bad Dog Sonny. Is that O-N-N-Y or U-N-N-Y? U-N-N-Y. Uh-huh. Yeah.

And what is a myth? A myth is that South Park is still good i don't understand that i like there's this whole my therapist has this thing where he doesn't where he makes me watch south park where we watch south park together and we're best friends but he has this thing where like anytime because he doesn't know like he knows i'm a comedian but he never knows how to level with me so he always is like you know so like this thing you could do is kind of south park and good and this thing you could do is kind of family guy so like not as good and that's how he levels with me wait what was the last one family family oh family guy so when things are good and bad to him he's like oh let me put it

in terms you'd understand those are the binary family guy this is i've been with him for three years and it comes up every single appointment and then i was like i haven't watched either in a long time and i went back to south park i was like i i mean i'm get fucking roasted for it i still don't fucking like it and also matt parker and trace don't or whatever they're fucking like libertarian capitalists they're republicans i'm like damn do you ever like south park i liked it in high school but but i feel like it's still like this mainstream like people stand for it so hard they're like no it's actually good and like it's been and i don't know i think there's a lot of people who yeah who are just still fans so they'll watch it's like habitual right to always watch south park i I haven't honestly kept, have not seen an entire season,

maybe since season four. There's no need. Their takes are boring at best, bad and wrong at worst, and I don't like it. I'm also part of the Seth MacFarlane defense force. Yeah, so full disclosure. Does he know about that? Does he know Seth MacFarlane? force. Full disclosure. Does he know about that? Seth MacFarlane? No, you're

a therapist. It's so weird that he uses family guys to evil. Yeah, doesn't he go through your dreams where he's abusing you? What was the thing? He pushes you down the stairs? Seth MacFarlane pushed me down the stairs and then we hook up. Don't you have like a broken leg or something? Yeah, I have a broken leg and then

he brings me to his room and stabs my leg back in place and I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, I have a broken leg and then he brings me to his room and stabs my leg back in place and I'm like, oh. Oh, shit. But, you know, I just think, no, I wouldn't,

I didn't tell my therapist about my Seth MacFarlane dreams. I don't have, I can't afford that many appointments. Right, to just go into that.

A lot of very funny people think Family Guy is great and still ride for it. Yeah. Carl Tart thinks it's the funniest show ever. Really? Yeah.

Again, if it's for you, it's for you. Yeah, exactly. Not to say that if we disagree, it's not great for you. I'm not even necessarily a fan. Yeah, you know, just do what you got to do. I just watched The Orville. There you go. But you remember when that chicken fight kept happening?

It was like almost a whole episode. It was like, wait whole episode it was like wait can they do that well but i like when they cut to conrad twitty and that's conway twitty whatever i haven't seen either of these shows in 900 years but i was just sick of that uh oh my god uh i was just your flashlight has been sorry no it was fine i was just like hey do what you got to do uh but yeah i'm just sick of my therapist uh giving you those two options the whole yeah he's like you know these are whatever bring him some box sets of comedy you do like maybe that'll help yeah i've recommended maria bamford to my therapist so many times and he never follows through. Ever.

He's too busy being a doctor who's good at his job. Call her Mark Bamford and see if then he watches. Yeah. And then he'll be like, okay, so it's South Park and Mark Bamford. Whoa, go on. Yeah. Oh, man. I think it's also a myth that you should use whatever somebody's interested in, like what they do for a living, as like your way of interacting with them because you are like not up to their level.

Like it's not like, okay, so you're a doctor. Let me put it this way. So like this is like strep throat. Right, right, right. It's like that's not going to – like they understand things like 20 times more complex than you. And nuanced than that right i do love when he does it though because he'll just be like so what you're going to open mics right i'm like yeah and he's like so what you go up you talk about family guy or is it more south park

he's got yeah so is your vibe more family guy or south park like the two brands of comedy when you're up there are you more like chris griffin are you more like kenny where you're like they're yeah yeah i was like Kenny? Where you're like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, well, you know, I started out kind of Kenny. But I was like, yeah, I don't need to be edgy like that. And then I went full Chris Griffin. I'm full Meg.

I'm the Meg. I am the Meg. All right, guys. Let's talk. It's time we check in with Mengazi. Yeah, yesterday we had a little update. But I think there's more things happening now. Because R. Kelly finally, I think, looks like we'll see the court for his acts.

He just pleaded guilty, or not guilty rather, to 10 counts of aggravated sexual assault. And I think this was regarding four victims. Three of those accusers would have been underage at the time of these crimes. Hopefully this man will actually see justice. Good lord, yeah. It took long enough. And having a compound where you keep a bunch of different

women, that gets expensive I hear. The overhead is not good. It's tough. Gold shoes were also a bad move. Yeah. Yeah. No one needed them.

Fuck that guy. Although I did like Spike Lee's gold Jordans from the Oscars. Well, those were Tinker 3s. Yes. Custom made for him. Wow. Really? And then he went on that racist attack.

I know. Against the president. My goodness. That was very fucked up. Hey, speaking of the president. You know, we're just rolling. He forcibly mouth kissed a campaign staffer during the 2016 election, according to her. And yeah, I think his presidency is over with.

It's over. Got him. Done. This is it. You're out of here. Done. We got him. Got him.

He's canceled. And yeah, when these mics go off, we'll just solve uncontrollably because this will not do anything. But yeah, this woman, her name is Alva Johnson. And in her lawsuit, yes, she alleges that Trump grabbed her hand and leaned in to kiss her on the lips as he got out of an RV before a rally in Tampa, Florida in August of 2016. This is the worst word. And like she tried to turn away and then the unwanted kiss landed on the side of her mouth.

Doesn't sound like him. Yeah. So again, everyone has come out to defend him. Sarah Sanders like, oh, that is so not like the president. It's absurd on its face. Then like Pam Bondi, who was there, was like, I'm a prosecutor. I think I would know if something bad happened. I would have said something.

Meanwhile, I think many people in Florida disagree about your work as a prosecutor. Anyway. So, uh, the president's a full on molester and nothing will happen. Yeah. It's absurd that again, you have a entire party that he has in his control that are just not willing to

hold really anyone's feet to the fire over any kind of unwanted, uh, sexual advances. Right. Unless they're a Democrat. Yeah. I feel for those poor women. I know.

Because, yeah, you come out with something, you're like, the fucking president now tried to kiss me on my mouth. I did not want it. Other people with even all kinds of allegations. And yet again. He's her boss. He's campaigning to be the fucking president. It's so, I feel like we've had this conversation 900 times too.

Cause it just like the stories like this come out all the time. And I believe each and every one. Yeah. And in his own words, this is something he does. Yeah. According to the access Hollywood tape. And it really just seems to me like at this point, why are they even denying it?

Why aren't they just like, nobody cares? Yeah. Yeah. Go fuck yourself. Nobody cares. He can do anything he wants. I mean, she is a woman of color. And she was also saying that, you know, there was also all kinds of racial discrimination happening on the campaign.

No, really. That's so surprising that the Trump campaign would treat a woman of color unfairly, saying that she was being paid less than her white male counterparts. So, you know, it was a microcosm of the just society at large. But he tried to,

she got the sweet benefits of him trying to kiss her on the mouth. Yeah, I guess so. So that was cool. Yeah, and I think what happened was after the Access Hollywood tape came out, I think that was sort of around the time she began leaving.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And the Oscars were on on Sunday night. Yay! Ratings on Sunday night. Yay! Ratings were apparently up. Yay!

So. Olivia Colman made me cry. Yeah. Oh, really? I thought that was an amazing acceptance speech. That was so, oh God, the fact that you can close a speech by just being like Lady Gaga, ah! And then leave the stage. And then just walk off.

Yeah, I got emotional watching that. The hostlessness of it was, I don't know, I thought it made it better. It's a double-edged sword, I think. I think on one hand, right, I do miss the fucking all-out extraness of the Oscars. I miss We Saw Your Boobs. That's why I'm looking for the We Saw Your Boobs realness.

I don't mean that. I mean, no, but I think there was a lot of fanfare about it. But I think as that, they slowly started fucking up year after year of not making it a good show. Part of me was like, this was way better comparatively because you just get through, you're handing out the awards. But part of me kind of misses the showmanship of it all. But at the same time, I wasn't like, oh, this sucked. I was like, this is better than it's been for a while. It was fine.

I mean, it cruised. It was, I don't know. I do like a big opening number, even if, and kind of especially if it's fucking horrible. Yeah, right, right. Like, it's kind of fun to watch something burn on such a magnificent scale. I think it's exciting to watch. But also it's like, who gives a shit? I don't know.

I didn't like how during the lead up to the Oscars how everyone was just like, well, no one wants to host it because of cancel culture. It's like, no one wants to host it because it's a shitty job. And everyone who has ever hosted said it was torture and bad. And Bruce Valance is writing all the material. Right. Still. So you're like, man, I'm not going up there with this fucking material. I liked, you know, Awkwafina and John Mulaney made me laugh.

Yeah, yeah. They were fun presenters. It was fine. Yeah. And if you didn't like a portion, it was over in a couple minutes, and they were on to a new like Tina Fey Amy Poehler Maya Rudolph were great like I enjoyed them Melissa McCarthy and Brian Tyree Henry were great fun yeah and Mulaney my concern was that the last I heard they were trying to do something with the

Avengers right that they were gonna like lean on the Avengers talent uh and so whoever produced the the show apparently had the foresight to not do that that would have been very obnoxious yeah it's weird that a thing that when the build-up we were like please be a disaster please be disaster also kind of that's what you deserve and then it was like ah they did it they like it ended up actually being the best thing for the Oscars. It was fun. Keep it moving. Yeah.

And they opened with a Queen musical number, but next year if they do another hostless one, they can just have Billy Crystal do a musical number or whoever the fuck does the musical number and then get them off the stage. You don't have to wait for... Worst use of Dana Carvey in years. Oh, man. The Wayne's World shit.

Poor Dana. I'll stand for Dana until I find the Master of Disguise. I mean, come on. It's a great movie. But, man, what a poor use of Dana Carvey and Mike Myers. Also, Mike Myers' Botox is out of control. He looks like a Mike Myers mask. Yeah, he looks like a wax figure of himself.

Oh, God. I love watching people's Botox settle weird, though. Every time I watch The Masked Singer, if you cut to Robin Thicke when he's not ready, his face is backwards. It's like inverted. He's like, oh, my God. Oh, wait. Sorry. He's like, argh.

Face hook, face hook. Give me my face hook face hook give me my face hook he's frantically rearranging his facial features oh I love bad Botox um but a lot of people look uh Angela Bassett is apparently ageless like I oh I believe in Satan now one of my she made that

deal with fuck one of my takeaways was that either plastic surgery or deals with Satan, black magic has gotten more advanced because there were a lot of people who looked like they just weren't aging. They looked amazing. That's Paul Rudd, too. Yeah, Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd has an arrangement with Satan.

Paul Rudd, Julia Roberts looked exactly like she always has Bette Midler looked really good I thought Bette Midler's titties were out loved it love a good bet 10 out of 10 Bette Midler titty shots glad that the awards, the recipients

were a little more diverse this year thank you to that but honestly I was so passive watching. And the only thing I really paid attention to was when Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper did Shallow. What? I love them. You're just like kids.

Yo, them spray tans, they were both rocking. I know. Ooh, I loved it. I was feeling those spray tans. It was intense, yeah. Yeah, and they just walked right up out of the audience. That felt right yeah it felt like the movie almost yeah it was impressive and then they blew it all by giving

the best picture award to green book literally us yeah like there i think it was a jezebel headline where it's like can't believe the guy who wrote shallow hal has an oscar right like it's so oh it, like a bunch of- It was funny, like, right after the awards, I was scrolling around, Dumb and Dumber was playing on, like, TBS or something, so you can't escape the Farrelly brothers or them pulling their dicks out on set.

Just, like, seeing this, like, tidal wave of white guys going out to accept the award. Yeah. You're like, holy shit, this is rough. Yeah, and then the one guy was like, but it wouldn't be possible without Vigo. I mean, Mahershala too. Right.

But Vigo. He was also the savior of this production. Right. Therefore, I mean, look, Vigo's an interesting guy, though. Shout out to him, I think. All the Spike moments were great. Yeah. Spike won.

Spike protested the Green Book victory by turning his back. Yeah, and then he tried to leave. And I guess they were like, you got to stay. And I was like, someone told him what to do. That's crazy. I mean, it makes sense because the year Do the Right Thing came out, Driving Miss Daisy won for its depiction of a mean old racist woman being horrible to someone who relies on her for his livelihood and is

therefore forced to take it. But then they become friends in the end. And if you look back, like if you want to give your movie a extra chance of winning an Academy Award, it's either the main message of the movie. If you make it that movies really matter and they change, they're changing the world. That gives it like a 40% boost. And if you make it, you know, racism is real, but we can overcome it with our-

With hugs. With hugs and with like personal friendships. Yeah. Those two messages just automatically boost your chances of winning an Academy Award. Also, what's so funny too is that one of the writers, the son of the guy who Viggo Mortensen's character is, he was like,

remember he got in trouble for liking or retweeting some Donald Trump shit about how Donald Trump, it was like a tweet about how I didn't know this. Trump's claim about seeing Muslims cheer from New Jersey on 9-11.

Right. He retweeted that or liked to tweet around that and then tried to delete all his shit and people were like like oh my goodness. No! He's like the real life Green Book. I wanted to shout out to Frances McDormand's Birkenstocks.

Oh great. Was she wearing Birkenstocks? She was wearing custom canary yellow Birkenstocks. Custom stocks dude? Yeah, I was like that is the kind of flex I can get behind. Yeah. It's a comfortable flex. I finally watched Roma, which I'm assuming a lot of Academy members didn't, since it's

an incredible movie. I mean, yeah. I watched it last week, finally. I mean, people don't like reading. No. Yeah. I do wonder what percentage of the Academy actually watched Roma. It was so good.

I want to see it in theaters now because I just watched it on my dumb ass computer. It may get another run out in theaters real quick. It's at the Vista, baby. Oh, is it still there? Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Let's cue the conspiracy theory music.

Uh-oh. A couple conspiracy theories. So I thought it was odd that Barbra Streisand was introducing black Klansmen. That was the match. And then they had Serena Williams introducing A Star

Is Born, which seemed sort of random. So my theory is that Barbra Streisand was hired to present A Star Is Born, but didn't want to present the movie because fuck Lady Gaga, the world isn't big enough for the both of them. And so she forced the Academy to switch her with Serena Williams. And that's my theory, because otherwise that didn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. That was so weird.

fucking sense whatsoever. That was so weird. There was such a stretch where at some point Barbara Streisand was like, because I'm Jewish and Adam Driver's character in Black Klansman was Jewish, this does make sense. And you're just like, no, you can't fool me. Oh, it's like as

if she knew there was a mismatch. Come on, Babs. Find some connected tissue here. She's like, let's figure it out. You've been doing this for a long time. Figure it out. One last time, Babs. She some connective tissue here. She's like, let's figure it out. Yeah. You've been doing this for a long time. Figure it out. One last time, Babs. She pulled it off almost enough for you to not notice that she was definitely hired to be introducing a different movie.

And then my only other conspiracy theory is Rami Malek is on... I can't... Either he is hiding a horrible secret inside his mouth or he is just on so many drugs that he can't use his mouth. I mean, his mouth is very strange. How do we feel about Remy Malek veneers? Yes or no? I don't know because I've never seen inside his mouth because we see inside this guy's mouth. Let me get inside him with his like chin back. Yeah. An afternoon in that mouth. It's like he's trying to this guy's mouth. Let me get inside the mouth. There's so many photos of him with his chin back.

Let me spend an afternoon in that mouth. It's like he's trying to eat his own mouth. Poor Remy. He looks like a bug. Give him a break. Also went to my high school. Shout out to Notre Dame. Remy and Sammy.

Yeah. Remy and Sammy. That's a shame. Ram Sam. Also, I didn't see Bohemian Rhapsody, but the clip they showed of him almost seemed like it was a comical... My idea of what a really bad version of that was.

Do you remember? His lip syncing was so over the top and his mouth, he was opening it really wide on every note, even though it's the part where he's just playing a piano. And then he stops singing and looks astounded at what just came out. It was so, yeah, oh my God, he was like, whoa, Bohemian Rhapsody

is also actually pretty good. That was how he performed. Is that Freddie next to me? You nailed that. Actually, Bohemian Rhapsody is pretty good also. I'm straight.

You're like, oh my God. Yeah, well, you know, I think people just like because it's just like a fun, it's basically, you want to watch a long Queen music video.

People love movies directed by molesters. It's just partially directed. Ninety eight percent directed, I think. So fucking stupid. But yeah, talk about talk about some bad fake teeth and bad real teeth. I don't know. I love I love I love, you you know scoping out veneers you know that's your yep it's a good night for veneers yeah a good night for veneers okay well

you know again shout out to rami that's all i can say even even though i don't know who else could have won it either way i like seeing it's hollywood's big night for their veneers to shine uh let's talk about the president, Donald Trump, and his relationship to- I thought he was gone after those allegations. I know. Well, we're in process, in process. We'll see.

Damn. So he's on his way to Vietnam right now, to Hanoi, while I think Kim Jong-un is taking a train from North Korea to Hanoi. And it's like a three-day journey on his- The armored train. On his real real life snowpiercer train where, okay, whatever. I guess you just like to do it in style.

Oh, that's right. Cause he has to like shit in his special thing. Right. That's so probably it's better to take your train cause you have your special shit car. Anyway, that's happening in Hanoi. I think a couple of things to keep in mind is that there haven't been many or any pre-summit talks like there were for the Singapore meeting last year. And those are kind of like vital to any kind of diplomacy because that's when people go, the stakeholders meet before and kind of put on the table like this is what I'm feeling. This is what I think I might be willing to do.

You kind of feel each other out. So, you know, like, OK, now we kind of have a we have an understanding of maybe the points we can actually talk about. But that hasn't happened because this feels like a really cool photo op for Trump again, just to kind of be like, do you see this? I saved the world. Right. Well, and I do think he honestly believes he saved the world and that he has like charmed Kim Jong-un into like loving him. Yeah. Well, if loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right.

As Donald Trump once said. But yeah, this was on Sunday. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo went to kind of do a little press rah-rah tour. And part of like in talking with him, they played this package of when Donald Trump talks about how great him and KJU get along. I will go back and forth and then we fell in love. Okay. No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters and they're great letters.

We fell in love. Why does the president say that relationships matter, Chris? They affect everything in our lives, whether it's grand strategy and denuclearization or simpler things. Relationships absolutely matter. It's important that the two leaders are able to effectively communicate. I've observed this over the past weeks and months. I've watched them exchange messages. I've watched our team understand the messages that the two leaders have provided. And now we're going to get to have a second summit where the two leaders can sit and have a frank candid discussion, explore options, and I hope achieve what the ultimate end state is,

creating a brighter future for North Korea and reducing the threat to the United States from the nuclear weapons that are today in North Korea. Oh, wait. Oh, did he just say there are nuclear weapons in north korea the last summit dude trump fucking he'd he eliminated nuclear threat dude so it's for we're safe dog but so he contradicted the message directly well you know it's just a lot like before right at the before the singapore one they were, we're going there to get fucking Kim Jong-un to lay his fucking arms down. Yeah. You know what I mean? To give up the nukes.

And that's what we're going to do. That just turned into, oh, he loves me. And yeah, he's not going to do anything bad anymore. We're hooking up. We're kissing. Yeah. To now the end game, as Pompeo says, is like a bright future for everyone. That's so nonspecific that it terrifies me of what could happen at this thing.

But he did get specific when he said relationships are important. Right. They're important to anything. They're important to day to day. I mean, I don't think any of us can disagree with that. No. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, it sounds like a secretary of state who has not done his homework, who

doesn't even know what his homework is and has to go and give a talk and doesn't know what the fuck the topic is. Pompeo should take math with us. Yeah, that would be such a fun group having. Yeah, it's always tough to tell whether these are capable people just dumbing themselves down to the level of the president. Right. Because it's a tough position that they find themselves in. And again, like the goalposts are constantly shifting because like super producer Nick Stumpf was saying that a lot of this for Trump is to just try and get a Nobel Peace Prize. And he was claiming like Shinzo Abe from Japan.

He nominated me. And then Abe's like, I don't know what the fuck. He said no comment, which is Japanese for I don't want to say I don't want to disappoint someone. And then and then he gets to be Barack Obama, and then he'll just throw his Nobel Prize into a fire. He's like, see, I don't even need it. I bet Obama wears his under his shirt all the time because he's so insecure. But I don't know. He's angling for that.

But we don't even know what's the exact piece he's going to be bringing, because if he still has his weapons and his testing and doing all this other shit, what have you actually done? What have you functionally changed? He's just as unpopular in the international community, right? As he is in the United States. Yeah.

I would say more so, right? No, he's beloved. Well, isn't he? They love him in France. His base doesn't really exist in other countries, right? Well, I mean, I think people who are like into that far white, far, far right wave. Far white.

Interchangeable. The far white rave. The far white rave used to be called Nocturnal Wonderland. But yeah, I think those people, they a lot in those other countries, they point to Trump of being like, you see where America, see, see, these ideas are taking hold. It's the logical conclusion. For those, for xenophobes around the America, see, see, these ideas are taking hold. It's the logical conclusion. For xenophobes around the world, yes, maybe so.

But I think most people, most regular civilized society is like, absolutely not. He's a xenophobic icon. I'm just trying to figure out how delusional this idea that he is going to win the Nobel is. going to win the Nobel is? Like is it a thing that I just think is crazy because I'm not familiar with or conversant with a lot of people in foreign communities? Like are conservatives in other countries bigger fans of him than I would suspect? I don't know.

So this is just people blowing smoke up his ass and him buying it. I'm sure that conversation was like, Abe, you're gonna nominate me for the nobel prize right my man you gotta vote for me you gotta vote for donnie and he's like i would vote for you yes probably and he's like you heard that you heard that obby said it i'm getting the prize fuck all y'all it's like someone lobbying for like a superlative in high school they're like yeah you're voting for me for beauty and brains right right? Yeah. Right? Oh, dude, just side note.

In high school, there was a wild controversy because one of the people who was editing the yearbook fucking goosed the numbers to put herself to get most beautiful eyes. I'm sorry. I'm not going to say your name, but you know who you are. And your fucking eyes. She had brown eyes. And she beat out this one. Okay, don't hit him.

This one. I know. Well, it was different because it left out a couple people who had eyes that looked like a homegirl on that National Geographic cover. Remember? Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that kind of eyes.

Like piercing. Yeah. And everyone was like, what the fuck happened? Investigation. It was her. She was shamed in my high school. Wow. Anyway.

Did you get a surprise in high school? Did I? Yeah. Yeah. What'd you get? Best dancer and class fucking clown. You will know what it is. Just one last quote.

Trump is actually very, as I come back to this pressing North Korean denuclearization talks, he is very optimistic about this. He even said about Kim Jong-un, he said, and we see eye to eye, I believe, but you'll be seeing it more and more over the next couple of days, one way or the other. What's going to happen? I can't tell you. I don't want to rush anybody. I just don't want testing.

As long as there's no testing, we're happy. So we've gone from come up off all your arms. Right. Give us all of your nuclear weapons, your nuclear capability, everything. Denuclearize to now just don't do dry fires. Don't just do little test runs anymore okay is that a good enough yeah then that's that's how far we've come down to the posture we had in last may versus now right yeah it's easy to lose track of how much of the corruption and you know fuckery

that we see on a day-to-day basis reported about this administration comes back to being enormous national security risks for Americans and America in general. And like how as time goes on, it's like stuff like this happens all the time and people are getting so exhausted with everything happening constantly and never being good that I feel like even the difference between last year and this year people are just like way more like yeah of course this is happening yeah yeah probably we're all whatever right we're all gonna die probably i mean trump is gonna have to you know after the last leaders summit right he fucking spiked the fucking football like seconds after

and he's like the threat is gone we're're going to live forever, North Korea, USA, forever together. And then, so I'm just trying to figure out how he's going to up that after this. He can't just be like, okay, nothing, it was a bust. Or is he going to be like, we kissed this time. See, I told you we were in love. Now we're kissing. Right. And we'll see what happens.

Maybe he'll text me back. I'm not going to press him. I don't want to rush anybody. But to your point, Jamie, we've talked before on the show, but it bears repeating that during the rise of Nazi Germany, there were a bunch of articles written like 10 years before Hitler started invading people where people weren't used to fascism yet. But by the time they actually started taking over, everyone was so exhausted with that whole idea that they're just like, yeah, whatever. Nobody wrote any stories about it.

It seems irrational on paper, and yet when it's happening in real time, you're like, oh, okay, everyone's just exhausted. I'm so over it. I'm so over fascism, guys. Ugh, tired. And guess what? World changed.

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And the president's son is out here. Miles, you put it as drowning in his own brain. I just don't know what is going on in his brain. You know, is it the pressure of being a man that feels like an indictment is imminent you know or that at a bare minimum you're going to be implicated in serious crimes or is it just his like genetic predisposition to going on tv and just shooting off at the mouth but he's on fox and friends and i think this he just had the weirdest takes that I wasn't even sure what the purpose of his appearance was because there was no news to me aside from him just saying like oh man Instagram and Twitter's fucking me uh so listen to this take on how social media is

fucking him dude the internet censorship like I said when I have people calling me and just DMing me inundating me I I had to follow your account three times or Instagram won't even let me like your account I've been locked out trying to like your tweets then Instagram says well it's because it's spam like behavior wait a minute someone trying to like a tweet of mine and being locked out that's not spam like behavior it doesn't make any sense social media and the success you had and the strategy you put together

had a lot to do with the success you had and the strategy you put together had a lot to do with the success you had. And then maybe there's a push out there which you're inferring to stop it. By the way, it's not just me. I got in and out of Second Amendment accounts. The same thing's happening to me, Don. I haven't grown. I had one week this summer I called it out. I had something like 10 million organic impressions and zero new followers. It's statistically impossible. So it feels like it's a dry run where they're trying to suppress any kind of right wing message, any kind of conservative message for 2020. I mean, they're setting it up.

They're just seeing how far they can get away. If you're doing it all, they're coming. That's the point. If they can do it to me, think of what they can do to a regular guy that has 400 friends and their followers and they just want to pass something along. Because guess what? The old guy doesn't have a big soapbox like I do. They don't have the ability to when they call it out to get invited to come on to national

TV and speak about it. I do and I'm going to keep fighting this because it's not right. You got to come on more, Don. I'll do it. You're right down the block. I'll do it, guys. We got to put an end to this nonsense. Anyway.

We got to get his metrics up. He was just saying, he's like, what happened to my followers? I'm not getting likes. He's just making this big stink about it and also like when you talk about your followers let's be real these are like 900 year old people who like are trying to use twitter on their jitterbug phone and they're like i can't twitter won't even come up here what if i'd help the red button it's come on and a lot of the behaviors he's talking about like when you look at the guidelines right of even like how people you know what spam behavior is that's like posting shit like phishing or malware sites uh like abusing people's mention function

just all kinds of just shit that if you were some kind of troll or even an elderly person who gets like like in this you're in this twitter sphere where you're more vulnerable to getting like things that are like oh this you like check your microsoft update for this thing and you're tweeting stuff like that but you're gonna be like why are you tweeting that bot shit right yeah and i think even then he he doesn't have much to stand on in terms of like evidence of this like deep state liberal conspiracy because yeah i think they're the people that are like complaining have conflated being old as shit and not knowing how social media works with omg deep state suppression campaign against conservatives right uh and even then too like the censorship thing my man this

isn't the government okay it's a private company and they do whatever the fuck they want because this is you know free market capitalism, bruh. So take, you know, and now you want the government to step in for you? I don't know. He's been historically unable to distinguish the government from a company. So in his defense. Yeah. No, I don't know.

I want to go on the news and talk about how I don't have enough followers. Right. That's fucking privilege. And they're telling me like, like they're locked out of their accounts. Zero new followers today. What the fuck is that? Right. I'm going to start doing that every time I locked out of their accounts. Zero new followers today. What the fuck is that? I'm going to start doing that every time I come on. Good news.

Zero new followers today. It's a conspiracy because I'm creating content constantly. It's sad. Like his dad lies about being a billionaire. He lies about like being just like a social media fucking. He's like, I'm an influencer. I'm an influencer. I don't know why I'm not getting more followers.

Wait, 120,000 organic impressions with zero followers? Something ain't right, man. Like he actually pointed to some weird content stat. Anyway. And if they are suppressing like how many people he can reach, is that like that seems to be not inherently wrong to me because a lot of his beliefs are like white supremacist hate speech. Well, he does the diet versions. So it'll never be like full throated, just racism. It's always this dog whistling so loud that your screen will crack. Then you do like a Skittles thing with Trayvon Martin. Yeah. So again get your uh get your content right but again no one

really cares about you donald jr so then he went on to talk about what's going on with like the indictments that are happening with robert muller and really tries to fucking downplay that shit where he was just sort of like you know it's just a regular guy you know a lot of these they're just really leaning on these people who have been indicted just to flip, you know. And they put him under tremendous pressure. And then they threaten them, you know, like these legal fees. They're just going to, you're going to be buried in legal fees. It's just all for what?

You know, a lot of these indictments, they're from stuff in a past life. He calls this shit like lying to the FBI about your contacts with Russians about, quote, shit from a past life. to the FBI about your contacts with Russians about quote shit from a past life. But, you know, he's got to spin. He's got to spin this shit some way that he knows how. But he really does have this like when you listen to him, he has that like great bullshit or energy. Yeah. He's like selling you this like nothing product.

Right. It's like, oh, these people are complaining to you. It's unbelievable. This is just like stuff from a past lifetime. So I don't know what these indictments are really about. Well, it's interesting that he talks about a past lifetime because he, you know, these people are complaining to me. It's unbelievable. This is just like stuff from a past lifetime. So I don't know what these indictments are really about. Well, it's interesting that he talks about a past lifetime because he, you know, grew up always hating his dad, hated what he stood for. And now his whole life revolves around just being like, DJ T-Man got fucking rules. Yeah.

And so I'm sure like internally he's like a man divided. Like I'm sure he's fucked completely mentally. And it's also just fun to see conservatives outraged about these police tactics that have been used to lean on minority communities and just, you know, oppress people for years. And then when the second it's used against them they're like what the fuck how but I'm the dominant culture right I revisited this did you ever see the documentary Born Rich

yes oh yeah yeah and you revisit like how the teen trumps felt and they were also I mean they were saying it in a major documentary they're like yeah this is like fucked up and crazy. And like this, my dad's all over the place. And it's like now they're just spending their entire adult lives, you know, defending fascism.

Oh, born rich, baby. Check it out. Well, speaking of the world of behind the scenes of social media and, you know, the problems that Donald Trump Jr. is having, getting his message out there on. We wanted to take a look at what the process for moderating Facebook looks like. So this is something I always knew must exist. Jamie, you've come into contact with some of the- This is an area of my expertise. Right. Some of the social media moderation forces on Twitter. So apparently it is a nightmare on the level of giving people PTSD. Like quite literally.

Like literally a former moderator is suing Facebook for giving her PTSD. Oh my God. Just from the content she was having to look at like as being a moderator? Yes. So they described, somebody went inside one of these, now they contract the work out

because the average employee at Facebook, like literally the median employee at Facebook is paid $245,000 a year. And so they can't have their full-time employees doing this sort of shit work. So they contracted out to, it used to be just countries where they could pay people even less than they can pay them in America, but now they've started doing it to Americans. And some journalistic outlets were able to get some people inside one of these moderation farms.

Oh, so they got the information by infiltrating the... By interviewing people who had signed NDAs. And they got just... It's crazy. One of the videos depicted during training, they had a woman come up in front of the group and watch a video of a person being murdered. Like someone stabbing him dozens of times, like an actual murder. And he screams and begs for his life. And then they're like, okay, now tell the room, is that post appropriate for Facebook or not?

What? And apparently that is the sort of shit. for Facebook or not. Oh my God. What? And apparently that is the sort of shit like they are just seeing horrible, horrible, just the dregs of any media that exists is like stuff that they're having to say no to,

which it seems like that would be easy enough to like automatically just be like, okay, I've seen enough. I mean, and Facebook is so disingenuous about what they're willing to moderate and what they're not right anyways where like there's certain stuff where they're like well if we have a vested financial interest in leaving this fucked up thing here usually they'll just leave it and that's why there's wars going on right they're paying these

people uh four dollars more than minimum wage and to have just to look at the most awful shit and misinformation on the internet, basically. Yeah. The idea though, in this article, uh, that there were people who were getting so exposed to conspiracy theories that

they began themselves to believe them. Right. It was really fraught. It was fucking terrifying. Yes. That there are people who are like, you're looking at shit like flat-eartherism, 9-11 trutherism,

and then they're saying that one auditor walks the floor promoting the idea that the earth is flat. A former employee told me that he has begun to question certain aspects of the Holocaust. Yes. Certain aspects?

Right. I mean, that's like red Pilling 101 though, right? Like if just, if you expose yourself to enough bullshit, even if you know it's bullshit, if it's like you slowly, that happens. It just wears you down. It wears you down. And then you just start to question reality and, oh, these poor people. Yeah.

I mean, it's, yeah, if you've ever like worked for a technology company or something, you probably had that thought of like, eventually somebody has to be moderating this stuff for it to be legally or just morally okay, or otherwise there's just going to be people with horrible ends finding ways to just cram horrible things down our throat. All because you're trying to make a living wage, and the only way it's possible is to watch the most horrifying shit like that is that is dystopian as hell. Yeah. And so, I mean, there are companies like Reddit has a policy where they, you know, train people ahead of their moderation work to, you know, prepare them and like be kind of disconnect themselves from the content that they're watching.

But Facebook treats these people like shit. Unable to leave the property during breaks, being banned from freely using their phones even in emergencies, and restrictions being placed on when they can take, quote, wellness breaks in addition to being unable to speak to family members about their work. Excuse you? Which is the exact, like that causes PTSD. That's one of the worst exacerbators of PTSD is when you can't speak to anybody about it. It just gets worse and worse inside your own head.

Or even get a breather for a second. Yeah. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to fucking decompress after you saw that animal abuse montage? Right. They should have like a puppy room there where these people doing the most the worst job on the internet right yeah uh can just like get get a fucking they found other ways to cope yeah so there's there is uh i guess what you could call a puppy room uh no yeah so there's What? Apparently, they found also when they kind of looked at this office that the employees

were coping with rampant drug use on the job and also having sex with each other in the bathrooms and in the breastfeeding room. It was a complete mess of- It was like Vietnam, basically. It's just horrible behavior because people are under the most horrifying circumstances. Fucking in the bathroom, the stairwells. The idea that, in this thing they say they had to remove the locks from the breastfeeding room for mothers because it was just turned into a fuck room.

Right. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know yeah i don't know i'm stressed out just hearing i know when it's it's just like oh of course facebook is is like a black mirror episode and as always the solution to this is just treat your fucking employees like human beings like this is a shitty job and it does i i sort of feel like it does need to be done by people and not algorithms because facebook will always fuck that up. Right.

But it's like if they're doing that, just treat them like fucking people. And compensate them like they're having to look at very intense shit. The worst thing. Really fuck your footing up. Because you have to be a particular kind of person to have to be able to handle that. And it's like if you can't talk to your family about it, provide them with people to talk to about it. Absolutely. That aren't just each other that are just like, yeah, that was fucked up.

Like give them some fucking tools. Yeah. They're paying them insufficiently and not providing the therapy that the people need because, you know, so that a small elite in Silicon Valley can become insanely rich. That's essentially how it works. Facebook makes me fucking sick. It makes me so angry. Yeah.

Like, it really, like, if you're on Facebook still, just know that you, just by you being on there, right, that you're creating the world in which people like this have to begin moderating. Not that you're, you know, complicit or whatever, but like, my God, to think that. It's tough. I mean, I'm still regretfully on Facebook

because for a lot, I mean, it's like a family thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also the, I mean, it is interesting to observe how fucked up things get, like in unmoderated groups and shit like that. It's just insane. Yeah. Yeah, what a hellacious website. Oh, but it's all a part of the common theme Things get like in unmoderated groups and shit like that. It's just insane. Yeah.

What a what a hellacious website. But it's all a part of the common theme is let's pay people what they're worth. Right. And take care of them. These people should be treated like fucking gods. You have to watch shit like that. You should be treated like princes and princesses. Yeah.

There are cultures that have sin eaters that are like the people who- That literally- Yeah. They're sin eaters. Who absorb the horrible shit that we do or don't have to put up with. God. That is so depressing. Yeah.

Well, let's talk about something happy like Mufasa's death scene from Lion King. Yeah. Mufasa's obsessed scene from Lion King I'm obsessed with this I got very emotional with the Lion King we came in today talking about the Oscars and all Miles wanted to talk about was the Serena Williams

Nike commercial Mufasa or the Lion King trailer sobbing not sobbing but I like to do this thing with Her Majesty where we'll both be watching something and I might just have like some tears streaming down my face, but I don't make any like sort of verbal cues. And then I look at her with my tears streaming face and I go, that was okay.

That's a really fun time. You guys should try it. You should get really in touch with your emotions because when them tears fly, it feels real good. Anyway, so the Lion King thing, there's this tweet thread that went viral on Twitter. It was this guy showing his dog watching the animated Lion King but the Mufasa death scene. And this dog is – I don't know if the dog is just responding to that there are animal-like figures on the screen. But it's a very intense scene.

And the dog's like – you can tell it's sort of like anxious like it's sitting up sitting down whining and just watching his little Simba tries to nuzzle under his dead dad's arm and shit like that or leg or whatever animals have but yeah so then another person tweeted a video a similar video to have a dog watching Lion

King and during that scene very like there was laser light focus being paid. The attention being paid was insane. So I don't know if it's, again, my cynical part is like, man, it's because it looks like some animal shit on TV. Right. Because I have friends who put the animal planet on for their pets when they go to work

and shit, and their animals just love that shit. Yeah. But I don't know. I like to think these dogs are very intelligent and they know what's happening. This young man has lost his father. Right. All my dog does is watch Joe Rogan interview videos. He's fucked up, man.

Yeah, right? I leave the room for two seconds. I come back, Joe Rogan's on. He's asking about Jordan Peterson. Yeah. Oh, God. But have you read his book? Have you read it, though?

Don't just pay attention to the fucking takes you see on Twitter. Have you read Jordan Peterson? I'm so sorry pay attention to the fucking takes you show on Twitter. Have you read Jordan Peterson? I'm so sorry you have to know him. Like, he's so... Your dog is a bad influence on Miles, let's just say. I mean, talk about red pilling. Yeah, we're getting drinks later. He's an alcoholic.

You have to be careful. That's awesome. You have to be careful. He said something about jet fuel not being able to burn at a specific heat or something. He's got a lot of paper. He's got a fucking essay he's been submitting around. Yeah. Yeah.

It said, oh, all dogs go to heaven. What about building seven? It's a dog 9-11 truth or fate. Anyway, so I don't know. What do y'all think of Mufasa's death scene? I think I're animals. Animals just reacting to animals or they feel it? The first video I thought was real raw dog emotion.

Real raw dog emotion. Raw dog emotion. Real raw dog emotion. Raw dog emotion is the name of a podcast. Raw dog emotion. Raw Dog Emotion. Raw Dog Emotions. It's Joe Rogan's podcast about feelings. Yeah, I don't know.

I only have limited experience with the three dogs I've had, and none of them gave a shit about anything that was on TV. They were just worried about what was happening in the room. Yeah, my dog has never watched TV. Even when there's like legit dogs, like pit bulls and parolees, some show like that where you hear like just a cacophony of like whining dogs.

My pets are like, nothing I know. Yeah. Yeah. My dog watches Shallow Hal. It's great. It's like that guy should win an Oscar. Yeah, exactly.

He was so thrilled. He's like, oh, thank God. Justice for shallow hell. When are you doing an episode on this, Jamie? You and Caitlin are going to tackle this one. Yeah, he hates the Bechdel cast. I can only imagine what his takes are on that. Sigmund Reitz?

He's bad. Anyways, Jamie, it's been a pleasure having you. Thank you so much, by the way, for filling in for me. You did an amazing job in the two episodes that I listened to. Where can people... Jesus Christ, Jack. Wow, the shade. I was trying...

No, no. See, it was because of that opening. I knew he was going to be salty about that opening. Yeah. Look what happened. Just now when we made it there, you were the guest. Oh, yeah. Well, I was...

Anyway, Jack, it was great for you to join us. Thank you for coming on. Oh, thank you. Yeah, thank you guys for having me. He's clenching. He's clenching. From what I understand, Crackle was a great website. I love Crackle. Oh, yeah.

Forgot to unsubscribe. Yeah, copy Crackle. Oh, they do Seinfeld reruns on there, right? Great stuff, man. Great stuff. Great stuff. All right. So are we going to have an outro off where we face off as to who's giving the outro to

who? Yeah, we all just speak over each other. Yeah. Three, two, one. No, so why don't you tell me where they can find you, Jamie? Where can they find you online, Jack? Just back and forth. This is War of Attrition.

I'm more curious about where they can find you, Jamie. Interesting. I'll just say your socials for you. Use your first name on the show. Oh, that's fucked up. You don't seem to know how the show works. That's fine. Pivot on that.

You can find him at Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Is that correct, Jack? That's correct, Jamie. Okay, so that's where they can find you. Is there a tweet you've been enjoying? There's one. Why would you ask me that? Actually, Jake, I was just about to ask you that.

Is there a tweet you like now? Yeah, Jake, what are you feeling? You guys are like, it's like you did psychological research on the shit that people say that makes me feel very small. Well. Tweet you've been liking, Jake? Okay. Go for it, Jake. Marsha Belsky tweeted, give me five minutes alone with Joe Rogan.

I think I could convince him he's been dead for 20 years. Oh, that's fun. That was great stuff, man. What about you, Jamie? Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me, I mean, here every day is where you can find me. You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loftus Help. You can find me on Instagram at Jamie Cry Superstar.

You can find me trying to get my dog away from shallow hell. Oh, yeah. A tweet I was liking was from our very own Andrew T., who said, thank you to all the whites in Hollywood for fixing racism. Yeah. I would also like to direct everyone to Demi Adjouibé's. He throws an Oscars party every year with themed food, themed t-shirts. There's always a banner of who he feels got robbed for best picture.

This year the banner says 8th Grade got robbed for best picture. Just check out all his shit at Electro Lemon if you don't already because it always makes me smile. It's always fire. It's great. Well, you can follow me at Miles of Grey on Twitter and Instagram. A tweet I like is from, let's see, one is from Kate Berlant, at Kate Berlant. It says, just typed love into a porn search. Absolutely devastating.

Oh, my God. And one from Molly Lambert, at Molly Lambert, just says, just realized Diane Keaton dresses like a pimp. She really does. She does. That hat game, like the suit. She does. Does she have a cane yet? She needs like a nameplate ring, like a four-finger ring,

and she has fully completed her, or some now and later caters. Let's see. Well, you can find us at Daily Zeitgeist. You can find, what is that? Jack, you do this part. I'm not good at it. Gonzalo R. Cordova also tweeted, Bohemian Rhapsody won best editing

for editing out all the gay sex scenes. Which is true. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes.

Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. what's that gonna be today uh let's go out on a track by nick hakeem green twins a little little great track in honor of green book in honor of green book congrats to green book congrats to green book y'all oh man uh y'all It's not even funny No Another tweet I liked It was from David Roth

I have a lot of Oscar tweets Joe Joe It's your first time David J Roth tweeted Seems like a lot of people are mad about Green Book winning best picture But think about it this way Scorsese won for The Departed because he didn't win for Goodfellas or Age of Innocence.

This is like that, but for Peter Ferellian, stuck on you. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We'll be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Is that what I said? Is that what you said? All right. Cool.

We'll talk to you then. Bye. Bye. He lasts longer. I last longer. Bye. Bye. The green twins with the eyes They all hope but she The green twins with the eyes

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