The Daily Zeitgeist - Oscars So Right, Cosby Says The Darndest Things 1.23.18

Episode Date: January 24, 2018

In episode 69, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Brodie Reed to discuss the government shutdown & CHIP getting funded, Oscar nominations, an update on the Hawaii missile crisis, Bill Cosby showing up at a jazz club, the Apple conspiracy, & more! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 15, Episode 2 of Der Daily Zeitgeist! Yeah! For January 23rd, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jacka Jawea. And that is courtesy of a dog called Norman, a.k.a. Norman Luko. And I am joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. All the leaves are, all the leaves are brown, and the miles is gray, and the miles is gray. Thank you, Mike Booch, for that, a.k.a. Fire My Man. And shout-outs to Brianna Vowles out there, probably listening on her commute.

I see you out there. And God loves you. Yeah, that's going to be the tone of the podcast from now on. Yeah, it's all about Christ's love, baby. Little guy I know who I couldn't finish that. Big shout out to the little guy up in the sky. Little guy by the name of JC who had a little story to tell. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny comedian, Brody Reed. Hi, guys. It's me. I'm Brody Reed. I don't have a song.

I'm just here. I'm being genuine. I'm a nice boy. I'm very funny. You are. You look very nice. May I ask something, Brody? Yeah. Have you accepted Christ as your Savior? You know, I knew this was a family friendly podcast, so I came on here. I just wanted to say I absolutely love the guy.

Love his work. All right. Love your work, JC. Love your work, buddy. Brody, what is something that you have searched in the not-too-distant past that is revealing about who you are? I'm going to come right out of the bat. Jackie Chan blooper reels. Oh, hell yeah. Yes. um i'm gonna come right out of the bat uh jackie chan blooper reels just i just get myself into a whip myself in a good mood every once in a while just look at those

classic jackie chan blooper reels he works hard um you know you forgot that he's doing stunts with like broken limbs and stuff um really gives me motivation for my day he's all he's my man crush monday every monday yeah if he can break his hand. It's so funny. That was the best thing about those movies is at the end you knew you were going to see all the bloopers and the stunts gone wrong. Yeah. And I think, sadly, I think my first introduction to Jackie Chan was Rumble in the Bronx, which was like the crossover movie. They're like, Americans have not heard of Jackie Chan until now. And I was like, oh, shit.

Yeah. And yeah. That's a great blooper reel that's the one where he he breaks his foot and he has to have like a plastic sneaker put over his cast so you're like an expert in Jackie Chan blooper I wouldn't say an expert uh connoisseur yes I would say I'm a Chan connoisseur yes I'm a blooper connoisseur nice uh Channing a Chano Chan head uh my favorite part of Thomas lennon's book uh writing movies for fun and profit is his meeting with jackie chan where he like walks in in an all-white suit

with like three women with him in all-white suits and like does like weird shit with like a soup bowl and like oh really he's like uh tom lennon or jackie chan yeah tom lennon or Jackie Chan? Tom Lennon, believe it or not. And does all this crazy shit. He takes Thomas Lennon's coat off in three moves. And Thomas Lennon doesn't even realize it's off him. He's just like, what the fuck? So apparently Jackie Chan is just real deal. Wait, what were they meeting for?

For just a movie of some sort. You know Thomas Lennon writes tons and tons of movies. I like that Jackie Chan chan comes in flexes on him like spins a bowl takes a jacket off one go i'm like it's a hard pass g right yeah coatless confused sounds like jackie chan should have been a vine star at some point right see i mean yeah he could he definitely would have had a good run yeah he sure would brody what's something that's overrated? Something that's overrated is weed being legal now. Weed is over, in my opinion. It's over. My mom smokes weed now.

I mean, it's kind of cool. I've been waiting for it literally my whole life. But, like, I'm kind of sad about it because a lot of my local weed dealers, you know, they're going out of business. But at the same time, they're going out of business. But at the same time, they're going out of business sales, which is pretty cool for me. I recently got a pillowcase of weed,

like an AK-47, literally a huge pillowcase for basically free. I traded him some PS2 games. He was just getting rid of it. PS2? He's just like, this is useless now. He's like, damn, I love Need for Speed Underground. Wait, so you're just over the fervor about it being legal.

I'm over the fervor of it, and now it's going to be more expensive. They're going to start selling it at Walmart in a couple years or whatever. It's just a thing. It's just a whole different entity. Well, that's the whole battle now i remember just even with the legalization debate is like you know all the people who were behind the medical marijuana industry were like yo this is not good because it's going to become all corporate as fuck and you're going to be buying marble joints in a 20 pack true uh and yeah it's definitely it's it's it's a double-edged sword too. You know what is cool is that California decided to pardon a million convicts of their records.

Yeah, yeah. You can get it expunged. Yeah. But you have to apply for it. I think they're still trying to figure out how to make everyone aware. For sure. Because I think not many people are aware. People are going to get the word out.

Yeah. All you have to do is go through this process. And depending on how the degree of the charge, if it was criminal possession, they're going to be like, okay get the word out. Yeah. All you have to do is go through this process. And depending on like how the degree of, you know, the charge, like if it was like criminal possession, they're going to be like, okay, that's out. But if you were like running a fucking, you know, if you were like Nino Brown of California, that's not going to work. Yeah. Anyway, weed's over, shrooms are in, pills are in.

And if any of you guys are out there recruiting for new positions and you uh are hiring people who have you know drug arrests on their resume and it's marijuana they ignore that shit well hire them anyway that just tells you they're chill as fuck yeah tells you they're chill they've been chill before you were uh what's something that's underrated um something that's underrated uh this is uh maybe like maybe antifa can i just get on here? Like, I'm a part of Antifa.

And then what if I, what if I was just like, unimaginably just like, I mean, I know you're wearing like, hockey shin guards and shoulder pads right now. You got a Casey Jones mask on.

That'd be so cool if I was. I just think that they do, I, I don't feel like people talk about like the very small things that they do. Just like fixing potholes and stuff. Anyone who fixes potholes in my neighborhood, I'm just like, yeah,oles and stuff anyone who fixes potholes in my neighborhood I'm just like yeah dude it's a big fixing potholes in your name yeah cuz they're all about just like

taking government in their hands and just like doing small things like in the same ways that like a lot of grassroots like moving was like like Black Panthers did stuff like that right and people don't talk about that kind of stuff enough we just kind of like demonize them talk about how they punch nazis which is still cool by the way yeah um but yeah wrong punching a nazi although someone laughed uh someone on twitter hit me up because we did an ad read for the beach body and i was like yeah you know when we when we have to fight antifa in the streets we got to be in shape and they're like wait are you against antifa it's a joke but shout out to them i didn't know they were fixed wait where do you against Antifa? It's a joke, man. It's a joke, right? Yeah.

But shout out to them. I didn't know they were fixed. Wait, where do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Where are the fixed in the potholes? I live in Highland Park. Oh, okay. Yeah, the roads are fucked up. They're a little bit.

They're a little bit. They just got on it this week. They took a while. Antifa, speed it up. Now we're like, fucking Antifa, I'm not going to vote for you. The roads in LA are almost cartoonishly bad. It's insane. Well, yeah, in certain areas, right?

Santa Monica, they're beautiful. Beverly Hills, they're beautiful. Yeah. You go to Inglewood, it's like they forgot there are roads there. Once you get past Olympic on Crenshaw, it starts looking a little bit weird. You call up your you know your city government and they're like oh what oh oh yeah oh man sorry i totally meant to get out there we'll be we'll be getting out there oh wait that didn't get fixed oh are you sure wait hold on which tuesday is it oh my bad my bad my bad because it was crossed off on my list we just

have this shot down thing you know how it is see my supervisors must lie to me all right let's get into format we're trying to take a sample of the global shared consciousness or the uh national shared consciousness and uh we're trying to plug into the global shared consciousness but talk about usually national news is what our audience tells us uh and uh yeah we like to open up by asking our guest what is a myth what's something that uh that global or national shared consciousness believes to be true that you know to be false oh huh this is interesting um i i would say my biggest myth is like like readings like tarot readings and i know i'm gonna upset a lot of people who are listening to this right now and is making a face but i just i just i just think there's a part of like the human

psychology that uh when people give like um when especially when you pay people for like readings of like fortunes and stuff like that like people will always read into it in some kind of way they'll make some kind of like mental loophole i started doing this thing at shows where i'll like uh i can give tarot card readings but with uno cards uh and then like i'll have people like come up to me after and they were just like wow that really hit like a lot of things for me and i was just like you realize that was a joke right like when i pulled that like reverse card like that wasn't that was that wasn't me trying to like tell you that the universe comes in all kinds of ways that was me trying to make fun of you that's me

improvising and i'm quick yeah no there's part of the human mind that is built to see patterns and you know that that comes in handy a lot of the time but a lot of the time it's very easy to has anyone gone to like a palm reader tarot card reader and they're like hey my you'll be broke as fuck like has anyone ever come out for sure with that with that warning yeah for sure i've had people like tell me really like negative things that they heard from like readers like i had a friend uh tell me that like all of her relationships weren't gonna last this like all of 2018 like she was only gonna like date fuck boys and stuff wow and she was totally into it she's like you know what i'm gonna take some time for myself this year i was just like

girl like trust in yourself yeah i mean the woman who's running a mind reading business with the neon sign out of her living room. Yeah. For that life advice. OK, well, I mean, I think that it does have positive benefits. Like, I'm not trying to like shit on it at all. Like anything that gets people to think introspectively. Sure. I think is a good thing. But at the same time, like when you like talk to those people like outside of those environments are just like, yeah, I always knew I was psychic.

I always knew I can just feel energies. And I'm just like, shut up. No, you know, you fucking arrogant is what you are. I can read your mind. Yeah. I was also born on a ley line. So I think I have a couple of authority. But you were born what?

On a ley line. What is that? It's just like a it's just like a like a point of energy in the Earth's crust. Wait, what? You never heard of ley lines? No. Okay. Just watch Avatar, The Last Airbender, and then you'll know what they are.

Okay, cool. Yeah, because I get all my scientific knowledge from the airbender. The airbending community. You know, I tried airbending for a little bit. Yeah, dude. It did not work out very well for me. Well, I tried waterbending for a little bit. Yeah, I did. It did not work out very well for me. Well, I tried waterbending. It kind of works.

Oh, good. What is waterbending? It's when you splash around in a small bathtub. In a public pool. Yeah, a public pool. And they say, sir, this is a children's pool. You're going to have to leave. All right.

Let's get into format. There are a couple of developing stories. There was a school shooting in Kentucky that we don't know a whole lot about. There was a big seven plus magnitude earthquake off the coast of Alaska. 7.9. Yeah, 7.9, which is more than seven. But yeah, almost eight. That's a lot. Yeah. That's a lot.

Yeah, that's a lot. And I think there was a tsunami warning. But it was canceled, luckily. It was canceled. All right. So no tsunami, just a big earthquake out at sea. So we want to talk again about the government shutdown. We mentioned it yesterday. We knew that they had

reached a deal to end the shutdown. People were talking about the Democrats caving. So now that we know exactly what the details are of the deal, we wanted toit the shutdown that was. So looking on the bright side for people who have hearts, I guess, CHIP is funded. So, I mean, that's nine million vulnerable poor people who now have coverage for health care, you know, it's children who can now pay for their health care. So that's good. The Democrats are kind of spinning that as like the thing that they won, or at least I've seen it spun that way there on the table. The Republicans had agreed to fund Chip before the shutdown. The Democrats had said, no, we want to shut down and hold out for DACA. And then they eventually just went back to, OK, yeah, we're good with that thing you offered before. So, yeah. Why did they do that? It was like sort of a waffle, right? Yeah.

Well, I think clearly it's not like a straight up victory, like a master stroke of negotiating tactics. Cause that was always them saying like, Hey, just let's fund the government and you can get chip funded and the Democrats want to DACA. But now that that's off the table, they can no longer draw this connection because that was sort of the messaging from the GOP too too, was trying to say the Democrats are choosing these dreamers over American people like such as vulnerable children who need health insurance. So now that that's off the table, that can have there can be a little bit of a cleaner discussion now when we're talking about DACA and why, if there is another threat of a shutdown, like what those stakes are. Yeah. I mean, the Republicans were always for funding Chip, but by withholding funding for Chip, like whenever they stopped, I think you were saying it was back in October. Oh, yeah. September.

September. They sort of weaponized Chip so that they had this thing to hang over the Democrats head and say, this is, you know, what you're saying you don't want to fund in favor of DACA. So it's, you know, it's a they're playing chess better than the Democrats. In that case, the Republicans were. I understand, though, why people are kind of get it reacting so negatively to the Democrats just immediately caving because the Democrats have historically not been able to hold the line on anything like populist. They just their immediate instinct is to go centrist. That was the case with like Hillary Clinton going with Hillary over Bernie. I mean, so the Republicans have a populist movement and they have ever since the Tea Party kind of burst on the scene and started taking advantage of the fact that America is super racist and, you know, wanted a reason to hate Obama. Democrats like don't really have a populist movement. I mean, they're sort of getting one with this sort of the resistance and this leftward pull. But I just feel like populism is going to be the wave of the next 20 years, like as

information is freed and more people are more informed and like understand how unjust the system is. Like the Democrats like need their own Tea Party equivalent that talks about economic inequality, because that's like a position that nobody is really staked out as their own. And it's like probably the biggest problem in America. And it should be a huge advantage like the democrats who are in power are sort of continuing to play politics well yeah it shows their like meta strategy that has been for a long time of just like we're going to try to gain momentum by being the rational party by uh you know finding compromise and stuff like that but it really just ends up like our government just goes farther to the right

when they cave in things like this in smaller and smaller ways. Well, you can see that clearly the people who voted no on this CR yesterday, those are the people who are going to be running on that populist message. Like the Gillibrands, the Elizabeth Warrens, the Kamala Harris's, the Cory Booker know like the jilla brands the elizabeth warrens the kamala harris's the cory bookers the bernie sanders of the world they clearly did that because they know that they are going to hang their hat on that vote and they're also going to be like look i've they know who their base is that they are trying to appeal to with that vote and i think that's why and and it seemed and i guess when you see that these are kind of the people who are starting to emerge as likely people to run in 2020 that i think that we will see that message

come back i mean elizabeth warren is i mean talking about like economic inequality for forever yeah right there's certainly a statement by the way yeah what was over what was monique's statement um yeah there are certainly Democrats who are kind of moving in that populist direction. It just seems like overall, like whoever is in control of the party, like the Schumers and like the just the Democratic Party writ large tends to always go in the centrist direction. Well, yeah, because I mean, look, you do the Tom Perez, the head of the DNC and he is not of this ilk of a democrat. Like this is – I think it's – there's going to be a generational shift. I think that's where the next iteration is. That's why there's such a – for all the fracturing and factioning off that's happening in the Republican Party, it's happening in the Democratic Party too because there's clearly a – there's a large group of people who are like, can go we can go harder like we can go we can do better and we can we can fight a little

bit harder yeah it just seems crazy to me that neither party has been like we are the party that does what's best for the majority of the country and then like actually does that like that's nobody nobody has done that uh like trump, you know, used some of the talking points to suggest that he would do that and then did did the opposite. But yeah, nobody has been like, hey, we are both not racist and interested in helping the vast majority of the country that is poor or poorer than the people who are in power um so i don't know uh all right we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we're gonna talk some oscar nominees i've been thinking about you i want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours.

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And don't worry, we promise to avoid any black holes. Most of the time and we're back uh so the oscar nominees were announced this morning uh i was surprisingly happy where they ended up what did you guys think i was too i really just wanted get out to get uh nominated for everything that i feel like it deserved to get nominated for. And I feel like it did. So I'm actually pretty happy. That's the only thing I was super pulling for this year.

Yeah. That and I was hoping the creature from The Shape of Water would get nominated. I was hoping that its butt would get nominated. Yeah. Very, you know uh the movie yeah i think i mean for the most part you look mary j blight she got two nominations awesome she could be doing that shitty dance all over the stage uh but i have a feeling you know laurie metcalf will probably win there yeah we'll see in that category in the supporting role although

allison janie and itania was also the one thing that i really loved about itania was alice and jannie specifically um but yeah i mean i also think that they seemed to be i don't know i think the oscars are surprisingly bad when you look back five years on or 10 years on they're surprisingly bad at like singling out the movies that actually are memorable from that year like most of the time they either get it wrong or you know give give the actual award to the to the wrong movie um but i i do think i mean get out is probably going to be the movie that everybody remembers this year by um in terms of most memorable i would and like controversial, it's like Get Out, Mother, I, Tonya. Did Mother get nominated?

I don't think it did. Yeah, because I know it got nominated for multiple Razzies, but it definitely did not get the Oscar nods. Did you see Mother? I didn't. I had a lot of very good friends tell me it was bad and then had a lot of very good friends tell me it was good. So yeah, I think that was is like the Rorschach test of like movies where it's like, what do you see here? Like, because I think it all depends on who the person is. There are people who are like, this is the greatest movie I've ever seen.

And other people are like, I don't know what I just watched. I will say from like an outside perspective, like a lot of the opinion I heard was people saw the movie and then they're like, you know what? I didn't like it. And then later someone told me it was an allegory for the Bible. And then I liked it. I was just like, really? The most, the story that's been told the most times.

I didn't like the lion, the witch and the wardrobe, but then somebody explained to me. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. The best picture category doesn't really have a frontrunner at this point Like, nobody really I would think Get Out would be the frontrunner I've been saying This is me personally

I've been saying since a while back That it should be, like, sort of the frontrunner And now it seems like that's kind of becoming a consensus That it is at least one of the frontrunners. What else got nominated for that? Lady Bird, I guess. Call Me By Your Name, Darkest Hour, Dunkirk, Get Out, Lady Bird, Phantom Thread, The Post, The Shape of Water, and Three Billboards. Wow.

How did Three Billboards get in there? It's a very – there's a lot of heat around it. Now I have to watch it because every people, I have people talking to me. I want about it. You wanted to like it. I really wanted to like it. And then I, I, I, I watched the movie and then immediately after watching the movie, I was like, that was okay.

And then a day went by and I was like, that was not good. And then another day went by and I was like, that was bad. And then another day went by. I was like, that was really bad. Now, was it to you that it was like the message was off or you just don't think it was a good movie? Because we had Jake Wiseman in here who was like, fuck this movie forever. We've already dedicated an entire episode to talking about how shitty Three Billboards was. I guess we'll just do a quick answer.

Did you think it was problematic or it just wasn't a good film i just feel like um if you could like map the movie out like like in shapes of the story like there were like tectonic plates you know what i mean i was just like the sum of these parts do not make a hole at all like yeah cohesive hole yeah yeah um yeah so the shape of water though i'm surprised i think they got the most nominations to 13 yeah so and you guys both saw that and like yeah i thought it was weird i liked it i didn't love it but i did like it a lot it was definitely an achievement i think it was a very green movie yeah my eyes got tired of seeing so much green oh really just as a color you're telling me man i'm counting these checks after I feel the same way. No, I'm very broke.

Please don't mow me. Yeah, we were talking about the love scene. Oh, my God. In the movie. I'll tell you this, Jack. What a boring movie. This is spoiler alert right now for people who think they're going to see The Shape of Water. Spoiler alert. Shut your ears off.

But, okay, so this woman. The creature is circumcised. It's crazy. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. That's what we were saying today is that, like, the big question throughout is, like, well, it's not a human. What's the creature's penis look like? What's the creature's dick going to be like?

What's the creature D look like? And Brody was saying that it would be hilarious if it just, like, panned down and he had just, like, a perfect circumcised human cock. Just, like, a beautiful, like a beautiful soft burkis. Well, yeah, because in the movie, like, it's funny because like, who is it? Octavia Spencer is like her co-worker. She's like, what? What's so funny is like how she glosses over the fact that she has sex with a fucking creature. And I was like, what happened?

Girl, give me the tea. Right. And she's like, what did it look like? And the movie just sort of pantomimes this very weird thing of like doors opening. It's like a fortune cookie opening up. Yeah, and then like a thing like a – Flopping out. Yeah.

Like a gate, a drawbridge from a castle. So, again, I think that's the biggest mystery. So just like a human cock, right? That's how all of our dicks work, right? Hey, look. Like I said, that's a very loaded question. Yeah. Something tells me it's sticky too i just right i mean like when you look at the animal kingdom and the just enormous

variety of penis like birds don't even have penises uh fish don't have penises ducks have crazy penises ducks have like lasso penises yeah they have like corkscrew a little they have like curly fries weird yeah pigs have corkscrews that that like curly fries. Weird. Yeah. Pigs have corkscrews. That is the big question. And welcome to our new podcast. Three guys talking about creature dicks. Animal dicks. Or us.

Who else do we like? Is this a tangent into Call Me By Your Name? Yeah, because that was also nominated. I think, I mean, it was a good movie. We'll see how it does. I thought it was, I think it was a good movie i don't we'll see how it does i i thought it was i think it was a great depiction of this relationship i don't know if like as a film i was like whoa like that that really did something i'm sure it's a great movie i fell asleep i'm so

sorry so sorry to everyone was just too slow moving for you it was just i was just like i just didn't um like you know the the the whole, like, oh, they're looking at statues and they're wearing shorts. Like, I didn't relate to it. And then I fell asleep. You didn't relate to the shorts for the most part? I'm going to guess through the whole thing, I swear. Right. Yeah, I think you described it as white people wearing shorts.

Yeah, I did. Looking at statues earlier. I mean, that's kind of how I could describe it. I mean, I'm sold. Yeah, that's mostly what I look for in a movie. But, yeah, yeah like if you think about it in the director category i think it's pretty solid greta gerwig got in there yes carmel del toro paul thomas anderson jordan she's like the fourth or fifth fifth woman woman ever

oh my gosh she's always what the fuck um yeah and uh phantom thread which was one of my favorite movies of the year but like wasn't really getting that much Oscar buzz. It actually did pretty well. It got in there for Best Picture. Obviously, Daniel Day-Lewis. I really liked the nominations this year. Yeah, I thought they did a good job. Yeah, they really crushed it.

So when you look back, though, Jack, you were saying other times, when you look back five years, people were like, crash, right? That's the first one i think of like that's a history of that new voting system that was kind of just like you know we're just like you know everyone just picks sort of like top five and then you know number five for everybody right crash and then that becomes best picture oh really is that that was the first year of a system yeah so the system that i have always proposed is that you wait either five or ten years to give out the award so that you actually can like for instance this the example i always like to point to is platoon won like everything at the academy awards the year

it came out platoon came out the same year as full metal jacket which got nominated for a single academy award wow uh and full metal jacket like years on, was this classic that everybody watched and had memorized the lines from. And Platoon had just kind of faded away. People weren't really even – like that wasn't even the Oliver Stone movie that most people talked about from that period. So, yeah, I wanted to take a look back, as I like to do every year around the Academy Awards, at five years ago and ten years ago and what won and what should have won. So 2013, the big winner was Argo, which just is OK. It's like a solid movie. That was the year Django came out.

Lincoln came out. Pitch Perfect uh pitch perfect which i i would ride for as like a dark horse nominee uh magic mike when did paddington one come out that was only a couple years ago okay yeah you're moving too fast uh zero dark 30 was like widely nominated and i feel like that's a movie that, in retrospect, is pretty problematic. A lot of the stuff that they suggest works has been proven not to work when it comes to torture. Enhanced interrogation techniques? Yeah. That was back when we still thought that was cool.

Beasts of the Southern Wild, Moonrise Kingdom, I feel like it got some nominees, but that movie holds up. I mean, John Carter. Right. John Carter is still a classic. All this was 2013? Yeah, all 2013, and Argo was the winner. Wow. If Argo was a person, I would trip it if I saw it on the sidewalk.

Life of Pi, Miles, you were saying you still like that movie? I mean, I feel like I like to watch it. It's visually really cool. I feel like, I'm going to be straight up honest with you. I've only either seen the first 40 minutes or the last 40 minutes of it. Because it's on TV so much. And I'm always like, I always think like I've seen the other parts. So you only got like a slice of pie.

Ooh, definitely not the life. Yes. So, but yeah, I feel like that's a movie that history has been kind to as the years have gone on. Yeah, it has. Good movie. Yeah. I hated it at the time, so I can't speak about that movie. I did not like, I didn't like the twist, I think.

There was a twist? Maybe that's why I like it. There was a twist. I didn't like the twist, I think. There was a twist? See, maybe that's why I like it. There was a twist. But yeah, so the movies that sort of dominated all the conversation around the Academy Awards that year were Argo, Silver Linings Playbook. But yeah, Lincoln I thought was great from that year.

I think it was nominated in a couple places, but it didn't win other than Daniel Day-Lewis' performance. Django seems to be like a pretty classic movie at this movies are both really I think they're good movies. Super producer Anna Hosnia on her podcast has suggested if you go back the year after that, it is a fucking mess. It's the year that Slumdog Millionaire like swept. And, you know, Slumdog Millionaire, depending on who you are, some people like that movie a lot, I think. I'd only seen it when it came out. And I was like, oh, this is it was like a film that you watched and it was like a fun movie watching experience. Yeah. You know what I mean? Slumdog Millionaire won Best Picture, won Best Director for Danny Boyle.

Best Actor was Sean Penn in Milk. So this is the year that Dark Knight came out. Heath Ledger won because it was posthumous. Best Dead Guy. Right. Best Dead Guy Award. because it was posthumous. Best Dead Guy.

Right, Best Dead Guy Award. But you've got to think that at least Dark Knight should have been nominated. It wasn't even nominated. Christopher Nolan wasn't nominated for Best Director. That's like one of the most influential movies of the past 10 years. Yeah, I think the awards are still too hoity-toity. They don't recognize genre films as being culturally relevant. Which is probably why Tiffany Haddish got snubbed. Yeah, seriously.

Tiffany Haddish got snubbed. Also, Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle got snubbed. Yeah. I guess we have to look at it, right? Do we just then need to redefine what an Oscar is worthy of? Like you're saying with genre things, right? Because clearly – I'm sure the people thought, oh, The Dark Knight's just like a blockbuster action film.

But clearly, like, the way Christopher Nolan directed it with his, like, he's like, yo, I don't fuck with anything CG. Like, we're doing everything in camera. Like a true filmmaker, like, really trying to push shit. I feel like that is clearly worth something, which is probably why Dunkirk this year was nominated, because they're like, I think he probably deserves it. So that's what I'm wondering.

I'm wondering if just rejiggering the like makeup of the academy because they did that a couple years ago after the oscar so white campaign uh i wonder if that just like fixed it because i do think that they kind of nailed it this year with the nominees i just wonder if it was the problem wasn't that uh you know we needed to wait 10 years. It was just that it was all these old white dudes who were just like – We still have the same problem with our critic community. Right. So I feel like that leads into how a lot of people perceive these movies.

Yeah. And I think that we do need to, in the same way, rejigger what is going on with just the categories themselves. We still don't recognize comedy in suspense the way that we could. And now that I'm thinking about it, it would be cool to have just most fun movie categories. Yeah, exactly. That would be sick. Saban's Power Rangers should get a nom. Yeah.

I think they should go more like best stunt best like joke best so it sounds like the mtv movie awards had it right the mtv movie awards had a couple things we don't have to go like all the way like to the the direction they went and also they were like wildly sponsored by it was like best movie with sprite product placement in it it seemed like they have it i don't know they didn't but it seemed like there movie with sprite product placement in it it seemed like did they have it i don't know they didn't but it seemed like there was just like a big corporate presence and a lot of the time by the end but like yeah the idea of like best kiss which i don't that's stupid i think but like if you had like the best i don't know like best scene that would be fucking

dope right if you just like we're calling out uh great scenes and movies and like things that you could actually watch jack you were gonna your mind's gonna be blown because if you look at the mtv movie awards in 2009 uh best movie the dark knight gets nominated but you know who won twilight so fuck out of here with that one seriously but also best villain heath ledger wins and let's see i think there was oh best fight there is one the dark knight got nominated too i would also say i haven't even talked about the fact that wali came out that year and i think that would be my how did you pronounce that wali oh i it's not wali no it sounded like because i have a friend named waleed and it sounded like waleed and i was like

oh shit okay waleed is that that's not how you pronounce it i don't know look i pronounce it in his own dialect i think i think i think it's because i think i'm pronouncing it that way because the e is capitalized and i'm just just like, Wally. You respect the linguistic aspect of it. It's like I'm being texted that title. But I think that and Dark Knight would be top two movies that hold up. Some of the best. And I don't think Slugfest. Is there an animated short, right?

No, no. There's Best Animated Movie because Boss Baby is nominated this year. Wait, so was there one when wally came out yeah and it won that but it didn't it wasn't nominated for best picture oh right yeah because it's true that people i think it's easier i think more comedies would be nominated if we had some distance from it because comedies like sometimes hold up like that's like what people remember from the years like well yeah it was a great comedy that year and like you're saying i think we just need to rethink what and what it means to win an Oscar.

Because before, it's like, this is the best, most serious shit only wins an Oscar. Right. But it can't be like, yo, that was actually just a great movie. That was a great performance. Or that was great filmmaking. Right. You know, rather than like, well, what is the thing that really made me rethink cinema? I don't think any filmmakers or actors or performers are like, yeah, no, comedies are too easy.

That's why we don't nominate. Yeah, seriously. Comedy is hard. Super fucking hard. Comedy is harder than drama. Right. But The Big Sick, it got snubbed for Best Picture. I don't know if it got snubbed.

I mean, I think the screenplay was good. Yeah, and it got nominated for Best Original Screenplay. So Best Original Screenplay is always the category I pay most attention to because they always like... It's about that art. Yeah, and they always like give the, like, my favorite movie from the year

that award, like, or at least when I was growing up, they did. Yeah, Big Sick, Get Out, Lady Bird, Shape of Water, and Three Billboards for best screenplay,

original screenplay. I mean, if Get Out doesn't win best original screenplay... They should have nominated that for best rough draft. Three Billboards? Which one? Three Billboards. Best should have nominated that for best rough draft. Three Billboards? Which one?

Best rough draft. Best rough draft. It did seem somewhat not thought through. I got to see this now. Yeah. It's worthwhile. And also, you know, shout out to Kobe Bryant, because Kobe Bryant apparently got...

We will be editing that out. Just bleep it out, like I said, a curse word, like a really fucked up thing. Yeah, we just have so many Kobe fans on our staff that... You can't handle it. There's like pages of notes about this short film that Kobe Bryant made based on this like whack poem he wrote about like retiring where it's like, dear basketball. It's a pretty whack poem. wrote about like retiring where he's like dear basketball it's a pretty whack poem i loved you and it's like we're gonna give him credit for writing a poem just because he's a good athlete you're not gonna win uh all right we gotta take a quick break guys but we

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but Super Producer Anna Hosnia brought up during the break. The acting awards are fucking crazy, like that they have gotten wrong. performance as a blind guy from New York who for some reason spoke with occasion accent and always screamed, even though he wasn't hearing impaired, he just could not see. And he could also tell people's names by smelling them by smelling their perfume. Oh really?

Like that was his gift. Yeah. He's like, yeah, Rebecca, let me guess your name. Stacy. Always go Stacy.

If it's yeah, no, for real. And that movie's ridiculous. Not only did that, like, they didn't give it to the right performance, but it also, like, ruined Al Pacino's career. Because from that point forward, that's just how he talked in all his movies. Oh, right. Because it was the first time he got the Academy Award. And he's like, oh, shit, I wanted something.

Now, the reason that was- You guys want to hear my impression of Al Pacino ordering a drink? Yes. Kahlua! Kahlua! Now, the reason that that was his first Academy Award is because the year that Godfather 2 came out, also the same year that Chinatown came out, neither of them won. And Art Carney won for Travels with Charlie or some shit that nobody's ever heard of. So they always just get shit wrong. But all right.

Let's move on from the Academy Awards. Let's move on from the Academy Awards. We had an interesting piece of information about what actually went down during that Hawaii missile warning when an entire state thought they were going to die for 38 minutes. By the way, I think I said that it would only take five minutes for a missile to get from North Korea to Hawaii. That was wrong. It would be, I don't know, longer than that. But – Quick cocktail napkin math. Yeah, no.

Seven minutes. So the estimate was actually how long it would take from one of North Korea's nuclear submarines to launch a missile that would hit Hawaii, which is what people think they would actually do if they were going to launch it. Versus land-based. Right. Because you don't know where it's coming from. Exactly. Gotcha. actually do if they were going to launch it versus land-based right because you don't know where it's coming from exactly gotcha uh but so miles what was actually going down during that uh just yeah so the moment i guess everybody thought they were you know it's one of those things right they had everybody panicked justifiably because it was basically like you know head for cover

missile strike imminent or whatever and the governor found out uh david ige of hawaii he found out like two minutes after like obviously it was a mistake it's a false alarm and he's like oh shit i better tweet that out and like a lot of other uh people who are in the government like our local government hawaii tweeted out okay that was just it was a mistake it was an error it took him about i think 17 minutes before the governor was able to tweet because he forgot his damn Twitter password. Stupid fool, come on. So he was like, oh, shit. Yeah, he says, quote,

I have to confess that I don't know my Twitter account logons and the passwords, so certainly that's one of the changes that I've made. Shit. I wrote it down on my right here, and he showed it to the – Damn it. Yeah, so, again, it's one of those things. Old man move. I love it.

He should put all his passwords in an Evernote just like I do. Yeah, there you go. Or like, I don't know, if you have a browser, like many browsers have the save password function unless he's one of these like... OnePassword, have you guys used that app? No. OnePassword's a great app what is it it's just like one place where you can store all your

passwords uh and oh for reference yeah yeah it's like a and it's pretty secure but like you just need a app that where you can store all of them that that changed my life because i fucking use promo code password one3 to download. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, any app will do, but you just want to make sure it's somewhat secure. But yeah, I don't know. This is just like such a perfect, like,

you know, this is why we need to move on from that generation. It's just like they just haven't figured technology out yeah baby boomers with twitter is not it's not a good combo so speaking of past generations uh bill cosby decided to drop in on some people at a fun at a jazz bar and they were like oh we're so lucky what a great surprise it's like the second worst way you could get surprised by bill cosby right uh so he apparently did a extended riff on how he's blind now uh trying to reshape

his image as uh that blind guy as opposed to that guy who drugged and assaulted all those women. Um, and one of his bits was to have a child come up on stage with him for like one of those kids say the darndest things. Oh my God. Irresponsible parent. And he was like, do you know who I am? And the kid was like, yes. He was like,

who am I? And what do I do? And he was like, you used to be a comedian. Now you have fucked a sex crime. Right. Yeah. And he was like,

all right, get get off get off the stage kid uh so i don't know that's that's pretty yeah it sounds like also too like the p if if they said that people were laughing or receptive to it but they also know it was probably a lot of his friends and like sycophantic like you know followers who are like there to be like yeah they were all wearing velvet robes. They didn't put that in the thing, but they were all a coat. He also asked a reporter, he was eating pasta after his set and a reporter was there and he shook the reporter's hand and said, please don't put me on me too.

Because he has a very clearly nuanced understanding of the me too movement. Don't put me on Me Too. That's the way an old person does reference something that's going on. Don't put me on Me Too. He probably thinks it's an app. What does he think? A list? Yeah.

Is Me Too a list? For sure, he thinks it's a list. Don't put me on Me Too. Oh, no. I'm on Me Too. I bet he's faking the blind shit, too. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Definitely a fake blind guy.

He's wearing contacts. Oh, to make it look like his eyes are, like, glossed over or something. Yeah. I'm innocent. I can't even see. Justice is blind, you fuck. I looked up to you. I trusted you.

People, that's a weird thread that we've seen running throughout tabloids is theories that Stevie Wonder is not really blind. Oh, come on. And is faking it. Yeah. We've seen multiple. Even if he was faking it, he's been faking it for so long, we should just give him a pass. Hats off to you. Or just be like, God damn, man.

Like, you didn't have to do all that. Like, you were talented enough. Right. He's like one of the most talented musicians and he thinks he has to like. He's like, well, fuck, man. I need another layer. My parents actually, my dad and my aunt used to like, they grew up with CB Wonders, sort of. Like they used to like play with them when they were kids.

And he was like, I think he was blind from like a very young age or something like that. I think he was blind his whole life. Yeah. Well, not all of it. Like he's still like, yeah, he went blind when he was like a very young age or something like that i don't think he's blind his whole life yeah oh well not not all of it like he's still like yeah he went blind he was like a kid so he like knows what like colors and shapes are is that kind of thing but no um that but that's a that's a whole thing italy is apparently a really bad place to live if you are blind because your neighbors will not believe you're blind and will keep trying to like trick you into proving that. That's like we interviewed this blind person from Italy back when I worked at Cracked and they were like, yeah, my my neighbors like we're constantly like putting things in front of me to see if I like wouldn't trip over them because they thought I wasn't really blind. And then like the government of Italy stopped giving him like benefits because they like also didn't believe blind people when they said they were blind. Very strange.

I mean, it is the easiest one to fake. Right. Yeah. I've always said that. And finally, before we go, we wanted to just mention the Apple conspiracy theory that we talked about yesterday. We got a little bit of pushback from a couple of fans. And, you know, I did think we couched it as this is like a conspiracy theory based on our own personal experience. But there was also an article that we were pointing to that suggested that Apple.

What was the theory? That we were pointing to that suggested that Apple – What was the theory? It's just that all of our phones like died due to updates to – like updating to the most recent iOS because we had like iPhones 6s and 7s. Straight up died? Yeah, like died or stopped working. Or it just became like completely like just bogged down like very slow. Okay. They did admit to the slowing down.

Right. So people who are Apple stans or whatever, or just more aware of what's going on with Apple, were saying that we were misinformed. They were like, you could have just taken it to a genius bar and they would have replaced your battery and everything would have been fine uh so that that could be true we're we're doing more research on that uh they're apologizing as a guess i say shut up uh but yeah i i also there's a economist article today that's about how you know fucked america is because google facebook and, you know, taking over and are these huge monopolies and, you know, are making competition with them impossible by buying out all competitors. And usually those three are lumped in with Apple in Europe. are lumped in with Apple in Europe.

Europe calls them GAFA and says, like, this is, like, a huge problem, this cabal of, like, you know, huge, powerful companies. And The Economist was making the argument that, like, the Apple hate is kind of overstated because they're just a company that makes products that people really like, and the second that their products become worse than other people's products, people can stop buying them, Whereas these other companies like have lots and lots of ways that they're sort of getting their, you know, manipulating their users and sort of fucking over the competition. Well, you know, shout out to the Zeitgang for trying to keep us honest.

Yeah. Shout out to capitalism. You're doing great. Late stage. We're still with you. You're doing a great job. Late stage. Crushing it.

Oh, like right now, isn't Bank america charging people like to check their bank account if it's like below a certain amount and shit it's like ridiculous i'm sure yeah brody it's been a pleasure having you thanks for having me you guys uh where can people find you um you can find me on twitter at ayo bro bro ayo bro broO I am putting up shorts and stuff all the time so I'll tweet those out and yeah, I'm doing shows around Los Angeles and blah blah blah, you can check me out

and that's it. People should do that he is hilarious. Thanks Miles, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at MilesOfRay You can follow me at Jack underscore o'brien on Twitter. You can follow us, The Daily Zeitgeist, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter.

We have a Facebook fan page. Just search our show's name. And we have a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes! Footnotes! We link off to all of the articles that we used as sources for the stuff we talked about today. That is going to do it for today. Any musical recommendations?

Yeah, you know what? Let's give people a little vibe, a vibe recommendation. That's a vibe. Yeah, it's a vibe. You know, this is a band I heard over the weekend called Kruong Bin. Oh, yeah. They're like a Thai funk soul surf rock band. I love Thai funk soul surf.

Yeah, exactly. I didn't know I did either. But they're just a really dope trio from Texas. And this is a track called Friday Morning. It's just like a good vibe when you're sleeping with that AK-47 pillow. Not an actual Kalashnikov rifle, but a bag of weed. A bag of weed. Sorry, to clarify.

A giant bag of weed. Is that what... I didn't know that. AK-47, yes. Follow me on Twitter if you want to see pictures of it. And that's going to do it for today. We will be back tomorrow

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