The Daily Zeitgeist - Pentagon Group Chat! Surviving On Installment Plans 03.25.25

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

In episode 1834, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian, Zahra Noorbakhsh, to discuss… The JFK Files Were Full Of Social Security Numbers, There Were Already Worried About Some ‘Nage With ...These Dummys, Trump Cabinet Includes The Atlantic’s EIC On Text Thread About Attacking Houthis, Now You Can Get Getting Potentially Life-Ruining Loans To Pay For Fast Food and more! The JFK Files Were Full Of Social Security Numbers The biggest (and most avoidable) mistake in Trump’s release of the JFK assassination files Social Security numbers of living people included in unredacted JFK assassination documents White House Seeks to Contain Damage From Personal Data in Kennedy Files Trump Lawyer Livid as JFK Files Leak His Social Security Number: ‘Absolutely Outrageous Trump Cabinet Includes The Atlantic’s EIC On Text Thread About Attacking Houthis Now You Can Get Getting Potentially Life-Ruining Loans To Pay For Fast Food Buy now, pay later lender Klarna files for U.S. IPO DoorDash Partners with Klarna to Offer US Customers Even More Convenience with Flexible Payments “Buy Now, Pay Later” Companies Are an Unregulated Racket Buy now pay later: Klarna is courting young shoppers with Paris Hilton and TikTok-style algorithms – here’s why it’s a problem LISTEN: Pass the Salt by Joy Crooks feat. Vince Staples WATCH: The Daily Zeitgeist on Youtube! L.A. Wildfire Relief: Displaced Black Families GoFund Me Directory See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Can I tell you about the least I was just at the doctor's office? Can I tell you about the least soothing? Can you do self HIPAA violations? Oh, no, I'm not reading my, no, no, this is from the elevator. Should the elevator doors fail to open, do not become alarmed. There is little danger of running out of air or of this elevator dropping uncontrollably. First of all, I was not worried about it running out of air until now. That was earnestly posted in the elevator.
Starting point is 00:00:41 It's like some toll sticker. Yeah. It's straight up. I guess it makes sense in a medical building that people would immediately you'd be like, hey man, let's just get, hey, let's just get this out of the way. It ain't like speed. Okay. There is very little chance there's a bomb on this elevator. Hello the internet and welcome to season 381 episode 2 of Dirty Lee's 8 guys! Yeah! This is a production of I Heart Radio.
Starting point is 00:01:12 This is a podcast where you take a deep dive into American share consciousness. And it's Tuesday, March 25th, 2025. 3, 2, 5, 2, 5. Yeah, yeah. Happy birthday to mom and girl Ali. You are 40 years young everybody, all my friends turning 40 this year
Starting point is 00:01:30 uh anyways also national equal pay day, it's national medal of honor day unless you are a person of color which it will be renamed to DEI medal congratulations national lobster newberg day i didn't know what the fuck lobster newberg was.
Starting point is 00:01:46 I think I always heard it, but it looks like it just like lobster in a bread bowl. Like lobster chowder in a bread bowl. I'm fine with that. It's also Tolkien reading day. Shout out everybody. My husband cheated on me with two women. He wants to stay together because he has cancer.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Should I stay? Okay Sam, that has to be the craziest story in OK Storytime Podcast history. Well, John, that's because it's dumpin' week and this user writes, last week we had an attempted break-in. I asked my husband, who was supposed to be the craziest story in OK Storytime Podcast history. Well John, that's because it's dumpin week and this user writes Last week we had an attempted break-in. I asked my husband who was supposed to be at his mom's to come over and change the locks but his mom told me he wasn't with her.
Starting point is 00:02:13 And it took me less than an hour to find the first two women he was cheating on me with. Did she leave him? Well, to find out how this story ends, follow the OK Storytime Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How goes lower? From Blumhouse TV, iHeart Podcasts, and Ember 20
Starting point is 00:02:33 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi. What's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Listen to The Hook Up on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:02:50 Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 45 years ago, a Virginia soul band called The Edge of Daybreak recorded their debut album Behind Bars. Record collectors consider it a masterpiece. The band's surviving members are long out of prison, but they say they have some unfinished business.
Starting point is 00:03:12 The end of daybreak, eyes of love, was supposed to have been followed up by another app. Listen to Soul Incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare. Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts. This is Levertown, a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts, Bloomberg, and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deep fake pornography and the battle to stop it. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I was thinking about going all Hobbit, going Hobbit with the eight-year-old, you know? I think he might be ready. What do you mean? were oh you weren't gonna shave your feet today yeah I was gonna just let let my toes grow and just like my foot my old things they're cool hey why don't you get down here braid this now I was gonna see if maybe could read that that to him mmm he's ready he's ready is he ready is the real question. Compained with him? Yeah. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!
Starting point is 00:04:33 It's Miles Gray, aka. I'm the guy who screams and cries every time I order some par fries. No more flavor fakin'. Better taste like they're wrapped in bacon and I'm not wrong I'm no clown. I know they taste better fried in tallow F5 guys turning red scream out all my fries ready yet Okay, shout out Hugo Boss for continuing the you remind me Nickelback blow That was started by Jace Face and we still
Starting point is 00:05:05 reference the tallow. Beef tallow. The manly tallow fries. Thank you Shake. Steak Shake. Steak and Shake. Yes. Not.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I feel like Nickelback should enter the, you know, USV Canada propaganda war. They would probably fuck up a lot of people who think they're an American band. They'd be like, wait, my favorite American band, Nickelback is Canadian. That's right. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Maybe if fans would know that's like the first thing you learn as you
Starting point is 00:05:32 enter the fandom, myself included. As you enter the lore, the lore of Nickelback being Canadian. I mean, do they even have, they even have Nichols up there? I thought they had Moosequarters. Looney's or some shit. Yeah. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests, a very funny comedian and activist, the host of the great award-winning podcast, good Muslim, bad Muslim, the senior fellow on comedy at the pop
Starting point is 00:06:01 culture collaborative she's written in the New York times wrote and performed a piece on NPR's Fresh Air. It's the hilarious and talented Zara Norbach. Zara. Zara. Zara. Zara. Zara.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Zara. Zara. Great to have you. We are joined by Zara Norbach. Yeah. Zara. Who is a huge Nickelback fan. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Huge fan. This bomber jacket I got was from Zara. Zara. He was big, shopped a lot at Zara. JFK was huge into fast fashion. Yeah, yeah, really wasteful. No. He likes to be on trend.
Starting point is 00:06:40 He likes to be on trend. That was his downfall. People keep talking about why he got assassinated because he loved fast fashion Trying to get in the way. Yeah, exactly. Why must that be who I share my name with? That's fine. I think I think you're you're the you're the original not not That's our hour. Yeah in my Spelled differently so in very differently. So, Ingerface. Very differently. This is true.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Zara. So hold that. Zara, how have you been? Oh my God, so good. Good. Great. Oh my God, me too. I just feel like it's such a great time out there. So fun.
Starting point is 00:07:17 So fun. So fun. Yes. It's cute. It's kind of cute, isn't it? It's so cute. Oh yeah, that's cute. I think the collapse of government is adorable.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I wake up and I look at the headlines and I say, cute. Darling. That's cute. Yeah. Well, great. We're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about
Starting point is 00:07:39 today. Heading into yesterday, we were already taught, there's this like story about the JFK files that got released over like an end of last week where they left all the social security numbers and like birthplaces and birth dates of all the people in the documents. And then like when they got, when it was like pointed out that it was like a major Security violation they're like that's and that's how serious we are about transparency Like they did a good thing I was like man. These guys are really
Starting point is 00:08:20 like America has never been so close to like a single, like I feel like one of the like dumb plots from a die-hard sequel Maybe even like under siege to dark territory could take out the entire US government right now Like that's just so that that was my thought heading into yesterday at which point into yesterday, at which point the Trump, Trump's like top cabinet officials included the Atlantic's editor in chief on a text thread about attacking the Houthis in Yemen and just, yeah. And we're just having a signal chat about that shit.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Like it was just a group chat. They put a mark on the chat. It was on a signal. For real. It was like just straight up a group chat. Group chat? It was on a signal. For real. It was like just straight up a group chat. So we'll talk about that because there are very real, I don't know, espionage concerns. I'm not a big espionage guy. I'm not big on like-
Starting point is 00:09:16 Espionage is on trend right now. Oh yeah, it's huge. Espionage is so cute right now. And it's being democratized that literally any fuck wit can get into it now. Truly. Yeah. You just have to have a signal account and this is the potential for you to be led in on national security secrets.
Starting point is 00:09:32 That's how I know I can do it is when the fuck wits can join in. And then I'm like, oh yeah. You're like, oh, the fuck wits. Oh, great. Yeah. Cue the 007 music. Cause I'm in this. Usually much stupider than we think.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Like ASP and I is usually much stupider than we think. Like Aspie and I is usually much stupider than we think. And this administration much stupider than we think in many ways. So, uh, we'll, we'll talk about that. Just a match made in heaven. And we'll talk about financing a Crunchwrap Supreme where we're being presented with the exciting opportunity to buy now, pay later on some fast food. Oh. Because Klarna is now available via DoorDash. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:16 DoorDash. DoorDash jeans. Real healthy sign of the times. Yeah. I'm hungry now. Yeah. So we'll talk about that. But before we get to any of that stuff, sorry, we do like to ask our
Starting point is 00:10:27 guests, what is something from your search history? Buckle buddies. Buckle buddies. What's buckle buddies? Is that slang? Nope. Oh, you've got a toddler. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Then, uh, buckle buddies are for you. What's buckle buddies? And there are these little stuffed animals. Oh, okay. Covered in buckles. So that your elf of a child. Can just, yeah, buckle and unbuckle. Yep.
Starting point is 00:10:57 My kiddo goes around the house just buckling things together. So like the dog leashes are all buckled together when you go like in a wrecking of leashes, basically. Basically, yeah, she's wrecking. She's wrecking. Yeah, there's so many. It's funny how like I remember I got the guys child. One of these things is just a board with a bunch of switches on it. Oh, yeah, I bought that.
Starting point is 00:11:21 The he loves Dasher loved it. The one with the steering wheel. No, no, no. It's just like it's like they call it like there's always different names for it. But it has like literally just little light up switches. So he's just literally hitting switches that light up and buttons. And it just is that over and over again. It's just early Instagram, basically. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:41 One hundred percent the same intellectual, yeah, intellectual content. I think I'm going to get myself like a buckle buddy for bed, you know what I mean? So I can stay off Instagram at night and just buckle up. Do you like that kind of tactical kind of thing? Yeah, you know, instead of like favoriting shit and just being like, oh yeah, you know, like this is going to my shadow band followers of 30. If you roll over to your partner in bed and you're like, look, this one lit up and then go back.
Starting point is 00:12:13 It's the equivalent of forging. Forging, I mean. Oh, yeah, those little ones, it's like a steering wheel with like a shift gear and then like switches and like a key that turns. The tabletop one. Man, I'd lose 45 minutes to one of those fuckers. Oh, yeah. They had one in the 80s where like it looked like a little kind of like the road was moving,
Starting point is 00:12:39 I remember, and it was just like a thing like it was like on a spool that just like was backlit that gave the feeling of driving. I remember and I was I feel like you could take any millennial right now and we would just stare into that void. Just give me a spool. Yeah, give me a spooling road scape. And I could be there for a while. We're on a weird tightrope where we they're gonna we get it together and we realize we're gonna have to really fight for
Starting point is 00:13:04 everything or we're just gonna be be like, ah, what if what if full house was my reality forever? I feel like I feel like that's where we are. Is that like adrenaline paralysis? You know what I mean? Where, you know, it's coming. And in your and your quads are just like frozen on the couch. But like mentally, you're like all Molotov cocktails. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Yeah. It's like cortisol. Yeah, just all the cortisol is out. I'm in a good place. I'm in a good place. I think it's good. Same. I do think it's good. I'm going to get myself a buckle, buddy. I'm fine. Leave me alone. To just be like on a low level cortisol drip at all times. Yeah, very good for very good for our bodies.
Starting point is 00:13:45 I think that's what we were designed for. What is somethings that you think is underrated? Okay, hell. Okay, interesting. Because most people would say that's the bad one. Okay. Hear me out. I'm intrigued.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Do you remember when we all were like, I don't believe in hell and I don't think hell's real and everybody calmed down right now. I realized like, OK. Not only do I need hell to be real. I don't know why I ever thought I was going there. There is so much evil that I am so far away from. So do you think that you're like, I'm going to hell? No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I speak with the manager. I'm such a good person. All this time, I thought, oh, man, because I like drink sometimes and I eat pork and I like pepperoni. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking hell is for a scale. We did not imagine folks. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:51 It's gotten bad out there. Uh, I do wonder, and I think this is like what a lot of religion comes down to is like, does it grade on a curve? Like if everybody got bad, it was like old Testament, they don't grade on a curve. They're like, this city got bad and we're turning everyone to salt in the whole city. It's not like this guy was like top 10% in- Not everybody's getting touched. Everybody's getting touched.
Starting point is 00:15:17 This city was bad. We're going to let one person survive in a boat with the animals. Everybody else is gone. So that's, that would be my contention is we're all going to hell, maybe. Here's what I think. I think Sodom and Gomorrah, I think what we got there was a disinformation campaign. I think they all got measles and they were anti-vax and that's actually what happened. You know what I mean? Like, I think it was like probablyles and they were anti-vax and that's actually what happened. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:45 Like, I think it was like probably more of a hygiene issue. I think it could have been an experimental art piece where people were just sculpted from salt and meant to be like, look what happened. I don't know what happened. They all turned to salt I think. We don't know. We have to always be aware of disinformation campaigns now.
Starting point is 00:16:01 We can't look back on history without that lens. I remember when I asked my dad about that, maybe like when I was 12 or something, when I really kind of started thinking like, wait, is this all bullshit? He goes, I remember him saying, how do we know this isn't hell? That's the question. How old were you? 12. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:16:19 And that shit fucked with me. I was like, what do you mean? That's like a Buddhist idea, right? Or even purgatory. Yeah. That this could be purgatory. That is what you mean. That's like a Buddhist, right? Purgatory. Yeah, that this could be purgatory. That like who's to say whatever this existence is, is not. And I just remember like, but he just said that shit to fuck with me, though, too.
Starting point is 00:16:35 And I was just like, yo, what the? So that's school and it freaked all my friends out. I find myself daily, hourly just going, I hope hell is real. I hope it's real. Yeah, it is. Cause it's ugly. Please be real. It's ugly for some people.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Send them all to hell. Send them to hell. Is how vivid are the depictions of like hell for Muslims versus like Christian? Oh yeah. Fire, brimstone. It's obviously fire. You got a little fire and brim? Yeah, we got some fire and brim. All right. Oh hell yeah. Hey, and in that way, there's more in same. Oh yeah. You got a little fire and brim. Yeah, we got some fire and brim.
Starting point is 00:17:05 All right. Oh yeah. Hey, and in that way, there's more in common than there are differences. That's what I discovered. This is what I'm saying. We can all get behind hell. Yeah, but it ain't for us.
Starting point is 00:17:16 The hell they're actually going to is the same hell that I think they're going to. And then is there like working class hell and then like the people who control capital hell like is it like, is there a sliding scale as a worker? Are you capable of doing evil that arises to hell? Yeah, you can. But I realized is that hell is a collective formulation of what we as the
Starting point is 00:17:40 working class manifest. Hmm. Go on. What do you mean? We like an like an awesome improv herald. Mm hmm. We build the experience of hell collectively. I see. For these fools, you know, like, oh, where's Waldo landscape? And we are hell for them.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Oh, I mean, our vision of it. I see. I see. I see. I see. You know what we put there. I see. I see. Some people might put Nickelback in there. No. No, no, no. You lost me. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:17 I'm not doing that. I'm sorry. Not today, Satan. I saw how you tried. You tried, Satan. No, not today. Nickelback saved rock and roll music from those devil I saw how you tried. You tried Satan. Nope, not today. Nickelback saved rock and roll music from those devil worshiping motley crew, hair metal, ECDC, Nickelback are decent folk.
Starting point is 00:18:36 By the way, on Buckle Buddies, I wonder if we could just give Elon Musk a couple of Buckle Buddies. And did you see him with those forks? Those spoons and shit? Yeah. I wonder if we could just get him stimming on like some buckle buddies. And this is what I'm saying. I think we need some power lines.
Starting point is 00:18:51 One of those, one of those steering wheel things with the, with the scrolling streetscape. I feel like we might be able to save some jobs here. I don't know. Zara, what is something you think is overrated? Overrated is I don't want to hear about any more canaries. In the coal mines? This whole term, I'm so over this, like, oh, there are the canaries in the coal mine. These folks are the canaries in the coal, Gazans are the canaries in the coal mine.
Starting point is 00:19:15 No, the Gazans are the canaries in the coal mine. That is fucking horrifying to say. Is that what people are saying? I keep hearing shit like this, or people protesting Gaza now, or the canaries in the coal mine. Sure. Because, well, for one, they test a lot of artillery and arms on Palestinians.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Right, right, yeah. Sure. And that's how Urban Shield was created, was like Urban Shield would get trained in Gaza and then come here with all their riot gear and shit. And like, but I just like, I keep hearing, like there's a difference between understanding causality and like regularly trying to maintain a sense of urgency
Starting point is 00:19:58 by warning us of these canaries in the coal mines. Right, many dead canaries here. I know this doesn't actually matter because these are Muslim people, but if you imagine you're the person, then maybe it matters. Just a thought experiment. Or maybe canary in the coal mine. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Okay. So look, we get it. Those are birds, right? We understand that those are birds over there. Yeah. And birds aren't real. But what if you are hit by it? What if you are bird?
Starting point is 00:20:28 Yeah. I even saw another one about how Costco was like lowering prices and like so many comments like it's a canary in the coal mine. That's what I'm saying. For the economy. Costco is lowering prices. At this point with like the the collapse of so many federal programs and jobs. Are they canaries anymore?
Starting point is 00:20:50 Like the literal coal mine has collapsed. Yeah, it's more so. It's more so that like the distance that that metaphor gives, it's like, well, OK, if the canary died, then we got we got some time to figure it. Look, now you ran out to think about that. It's like, bro, no, we are dead in the coal mine. Yes, we are in the coal mine. They're all canaries until it's you.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah, yeah. It's just everybody else in the world is a canary. Guess what, here's a mirror. What? Yes, you're all canaries. Yes. Trick question, everyone's a canary. Surprise.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Yeah, for real. My neighbors on both sides, their house just blew up. They're real canaries in the coal mine. I don't know. Yeah. Because they're not me, so they can't be real people. Exactly. It's just...
Starting point is 00:21:34 Yeah, Miles. They're just canaries in the coal mine. When your house burned down, it was a real canary in the coal mine. Yeah, Miles' house was a real canary in the coal mine situation. For some of my neighbors down the block who also lost their home. Right. Yeah. It's a Canarian in the coal mine.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Yep. That's what that is right there. No run, or rather it's time. It's here. Yep. Is bad, will get worse. Maybe that should be how we're talking about it. Hey, unless you don't fight and let them just punch themselves out like the Democrats are
Starting point is 00:22:04 hoping they'll do, you know? Just don't. Rope a dope, but where we never start punching at the end of the fight. Is that what the Democrats are doing? That's the plan. I've been trying to. So you've heard of the rope a dope, right?
Starting point is 00:22:16 Muhammad Ali lets George Foreman punch him out until he's tired and then beats shit out George Foreman like the seventh round once he's tired out. beats shit up George Foreman, like the seventh round, once he's tired of. So what this presupposes is what if he never should fought back? I think, yeah. All right. This one is, if you just let him punch the shit out of him for the whole fight. Dude, if you just let him punch this shit out of you the whole time,
Starting point is 00:22:37 eventually he's going to die. Cause he's going to need a break from punching the shit out of you all the time. And then he will die and then you win. I'm just waiting for this guy to collapse over here. There's no fighting back involved. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just take a, take a. Let's take a, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about
Starting point is 00:22:58 how we're as part, as part of the deep state, we're very concerned. Uh, we'll be right back. Part of the deep state, we're very concerned. We'll be right back. My husband cheated on me with two women. He wants to stay together because he has cancer. Should I stay? Okay Sam, that has to be the craziest story in OK Storytime podcast history.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Well, John, that's because it's dumping week. And this user writes, my partner told me when we first got together that he has cancer. He's currently living with his mom while he is in recovery so that it takes the pressure off me caring for both him and her baby until he's well enough to move into our new home with us.
Starting point is 00:23:30 So far. Well, last week we had attempted break-in. I asked my husband who was supposed to be at his mom's to come over and change locks, but he wouldn't. Then his mom told me he wasn't with her. I went to Facebook and it took me less than an hour to find the first two women he was cheating on me with. Oh, what else is he lying about? Well, one thing my paranoia
Starting point is 00:23:48 just wouldn't let up was about the cancer and his treatments. I asked his mom about it who told me he doesn't have cancer. She also informed me he was in rehab, not the hospital. He suffered from addiction and was trying to recover for me and our baby. Did she leave him? Well, to find out how the story ends, listen and follow the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember what you said the first night
Starting point is 00:24:11 I came over here? How goes lower? From Blumhouse TV, iHeart Podcasts, and Ember 20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. And Santi was gone. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi.
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Starting point is 00:25:06 Listen to the hookup on the I heart radio Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one.
Starting point is 00:25:21 And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out.
Starting point is 00:25:32 It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless, S***less Me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. September, 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album, Behind Bars, in just five hours. I'm Jamie Petrus, music and culture writer.
Starting point is 00:26:02 For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s. Their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business. The end of daybreak, eyes of love, was supposed to have been followed up by another album. It's a story about the liberating power of music,
Starting point is 00:26:24 the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to Soul Incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And I are, the JFK files were dropped at the end of last week. Got nothing. No redactions. I are, they, a lot of bombshells.
Starting point is 00:27:00 No, nobody seemed to learn shit. A lot of bombshells. Social Security numbers seemed to be the big thing. Yeah, the big bombshells that were promised were not there, but there were some little tasty treats for people who are into identity theft and stuff like that. Go on. They just left the social security numbers, birthplaces, and birth dates of hundreds of staffers involved with various committees.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I'm assuming some of which are still alive today. Yeah, some of them are still alive. Oh my God. Yeah. The Washington Post discovered more than 100 social security numbers of staff members of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. White House has tried to suggest that this was a totally on purpose and be a good thing. What? tried to suggest that this was a totally on purpose and be a good thing. What?
Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah. Trump said that we didn't want anything deleted and then bragged that even released the social security numbers. That's how serious we are about transparency. I like that quote, the rest of that quote. They said, sir, what about social security numbers? But they're long gone. I can't imagine. They said, sir, what about social security numbers? But they're long gone. I can't imagine. What about social security numbers?
Starting point is 00:28:08 They're long gone. Oh yeah, because Elon has all of our social security. So I think he's saying most of the people are dead and you can't imagine a single one of them being alive. And he's incorrect. There's like people who are still alive. And it violates US privacy law. But is it the overall- Do we have privacy laws?
Starting point is 00:28:33 My sense of this, like I'm not- The way Jack skated over that is kind of where we're at though as a country. And it violates US privacy laws. And we're all like, I don't know, do we have those at all still? No. The bottom line is that social security numbers are among the most prized data that the US government seeks to protect. Sought to protect is more accurate.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Uh, it is an egregious breach and he's like, and that's how serious we are about getting, getting the truth out. Uh, yeah, one of the people whose social security numbers leaked was former Trump campaign lawyer, Joseph DeGenova. Uh, he says he's planning to sue the U S national archives and records administration, calling it first grade elementary level rule of security to redact things like that. It just feels like so I was like, I really feel like you could get.
Starting point is 00:29:26 The U S government, like you could steal all the money in America from you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's just like so dumb and incompetent. Literally what is happening right now. Right. Like everything is so dumb and incompetent. So that was my thought heading into today. Heading into yesterday, there were, there was also some stories over the weekend about how the intelligence
Starting point is 00:29:47 community, not my favorites, not, not a huge CIA guy personally. I'm sorry, John Krasinski who played a CIA agent and then immediately started telling people in interviews, you should be grateful for the CIA. They're, they're out there protecting you every single day. They lost. Yeah. Turns out they, yeah, I don't know. They lost. If they were good at their job, I don't think we'd be in this mess that we're in right now.
Starting point is 00:30:12 I'll tell you that much, folks. But so they are concerned. The intelligence community is concerned because, so a big thing, on average, the federal government loses 100,000 employees. They, they retire, they leave for the private sector every year, a hundred thousand. And they need to guard against those people becoming assets because being a part of the federal, like being a federal employee, you have access to high level secure information. employee, you have access to high level secure information. So people are like, the federal government has lost like three X, like they've lost like two to 300,000 employees already this year because of all the doge job cuts, like the, any agencies from rival countries are going,
Starting point is 00:31:02 are just probably having a field day right now, unless of course the Trump administration is extra competent, extra staffed up, and ready to vet and track this bumper crop of former employees who are actively pissed off at the United States. Yeah. And also out of money, like it desperately in need of cash for their like kids with asthma and like, you know, other health benefits. Their McDonald's bill that they've been putting off for weeks now. Cause a clarinet.
Starting point is 00:31:38 If you made a movie about those people right now, it'd be hard to make them the antagonist. That's what I'm saying. What the fuck you want me to do? Well, the only asset I have now is to tell somebody some shit I learned when I worked at my last job that fucked me over. From my last country. Yeah, because you think about how like all this stuff, like when people are like,
Starting point is 00:31:56 bro, the recipe for red lobster cheddar bay biscuits came out. Oh, the recipe for the fucking secretly guarded Popeyes chicken, whatever. It's like, it's always somebody who worked there who doesn't give a fuck anymore. It's like, yeah, bro, this is how you fucking make it. I don't know what the fuck you want. I don't owe them shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:13 They're ahead. Fuckwits unite. Fuckwits unite. All the dumbest. This is our siren call. Yeah, it's all fucking, it's all terrifying and it's all true and it's all hilarious. It's just like the levels of incompetence. Like I do think Trump is sometimes underrated.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Like we look at a thing he does and we're like, well, that's stupid. And it's actually like shrewd. It is stupid, but we live in a stupid world and he like is going to get the thing that he wants eventually. But the people working under him in this administration seem wildly incompetent. Actually worse. I mean, on an espionage scale, it is pretty genius. These guys are great.
Starting point is 00:32:55 We love them. I watched the Americans on FX every single season, front to back and three times, I know how this works. Upside down in every which way. But yeah, this, this latest story. Yeah. From the, this was the background heading into Monday when we got word that they just had a group chat where they're planning the bombing of Huthi rebels in
Starting point is 00:33:18 Yemen and they just added the editor in chief of the Atlantic by accident. This it's actually, it's really, I normally am not like this thing in the Atlantic is worth reading out, but in this very specific incident, like I'm just, I mean, for this, just to understand how bumbling this is, it's wild. So it started off the editor in chief, this guy, Jeffrey Goldberg, um, he found out that he's saying, he's like, I found Pete Hegseth texted me the details. A lot of people are looking at that specific reference. But what really happened, it wasn't Pete
Starting point is 00:33:51 Hegseth added him, he was just on signal. And he got a request from someone named Michael waltz. And this is on the encrypted messaging app signal. And he's like, hmm, he's like, maybe this is some project Veritas kind of shit or some some foreign power trying like, Hmm. He's like, maybe this is some project Veritas kind of shit or some some foreign power trying to influence me. He's like, because why the fuck would National Security Advisor Michael waltz want to chat on signal unless he's trying to tell me like some insider shit?
Starting point is 00:34:17 I don't know. Fuck man. Yeah. Or you're trying to hit TTS. Yeah, w ID. What do you w I would you do it? So then he's just like, whatever. Let me just, I'll accept and see what happens. This is from his writing in the Atlanta quote. Two days later on Thursday, I received a notice that I was to be included in a Signal chat group for coordination on who these particularly over the next 72 hours. My deputy Alex Wong is pulling together a tiger team at deputies agency chief of staff level following up from the meeting in the situation room this morning for action items. And we'll be sending that out later this evening. And so everybody's like, please provide the best staff point of contact from your team for us to coordinate and in floods all these people like there's like mar who he believes is marco antonio rubio is saying hit up so and so at state tg tulsi gabard susan wiles the chief chief of staff uh scott besant the treasury secretary pete hegseth from dod his name was just Pete Hegseth, another person named SM. Pete Hegseth! Tulsi Gabbard!
Starting point is 00:35:26 And Steven Miller! Mutant Ninja Gurbals himself! And fucking everybody is on this motherfucking thread. So then just goes on, let me just fucking lurk, see what happens. Turns out very real group head. I like this line of reason where he's just like, I thought it was a prank.
Starting point is 00:35:48 That's why I didn't say anything. Right. Good man. Yeah. We believe you. I'll just go ahead and trust that. But here's the one time where just don't, just lay down and die. Just play possum for a second.
Starting point is 00:36:03 This actually may, and also credit to him, because this could have been in a book that comes out seven years after the fact. Yeah, exactly. Like we see a lot with like the bumbling in this administration. Right. But anyway, so they're starting to plan this. They're like, he's seeing them talk about the execution and planning of attacks against Houthis in Yemen.
Starting point is 00:36:21 The thread even shows like that there were some disagreements on policy like JD, JD Vance is on there wasn't really that hot on doing something that wasn't in line with this sort of fuck the world America first agenda. Well, Hegseth and Teenage Mutant Ninja Gerbils wanted military action like his old things like Vance is like, I don't want to be like we don't really do much trading through the Suez Canal. Like, I don't know if we really benefit from this. It's like the Europeans actually benefit from us.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Great, like bringing like stability to these shipping canals again, because they're hijacking ships, attacking ships, you know, putting, trying to put pressure on the Israeli government to cease the genocide in Gaza. So then you have Hegs that say, VP, I fully share your loading of European free loading. It's pathetic. But Mike is correct.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Goes on this other thing. Then Stephen Miller chimes it. As I heard, the president was clear, green light. But we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return. We also need to figure out how to enforce such a requirement. So goes through this and being like, we can't do this for free. We need to extract some kind of benefit from people if this all goes through.
Starting point is 00:37:27 So then he realizes how real this was when the fucking of this this attack goes down exactly how it's described on March 15th. And he's like, holy shit. So then reaches out to people being like, y'all, I was on here. Can you do care to like comment on this? Because there's so many problems with this, obviously, on top of like the continued fighting in Yemen. And this is clearly just to keep the flame alive to continue like belligerence towards Iran. That's
Starting point is 00:37:58 like the whole point of the life. Like this talk, as even Hegseth says, like, we just got to pound the message. This is about Iran. It's about Iran. They are also they're using like signal and sending emojis to each other. Like after 53 people are killed in this attack, like they're talking about how their sales presentation went well at the Holiday Inn Express. What emojis are they using? Yeah, dude, fucking American flag flexor here. Here, let me just share my quick. Yes, dude, the peopleor. Here, here, let me just share my screen really quick.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Yes, dude, the people are doing bicep flex. Right after here's one, Michael Waltz, fist pound flag flame emoji. Wow. God, man. Those people love the fist pound. They really do. Great work, all.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Powerful start. Yeah, yeah, really awesome. We really closed the deal. I think we got that contract for those garbage trucks. But then even like we were saying, I thought there are slash used to be laws about this kind of shit. Goldberg also noticed that some of the messages
Starting point is 00:38:59 were meant to disappear after a week or two weeks. And like, well, what about the Presidential Records Act that you're supposed to preserve these communications when you're in cabinet positions? Then there's the whole I mean, we're so far past this, but like, you know, the whole sensitive information thing and her emails, servers and shit like that. But again, it's just wild to see them bumble even fucking harder than the people they accuse of putting quote national security at risk.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Yeah. And yeah, it's just, it's, it's all, it's all a clown show. I think like generally it's probably a great thing that the U S is getting worse at its main export of like killing innocent people around the world, but it's. Just, it is going to be bad for this country. And then they're going to use it essentially like a false flag attack to be like, well, now we more than ever, we need to double and triple down to protect ourselves from an increasingly dangerous world without admitting that the reason it's getting increasingly dangerous is because you suck shit at your job. This is the shit that's like paradoxically bizarre about de-civilization, right?
Starting point is 00:40:13 That like you see so much cognitive dissonance is like the they have compromised national security so significantly. Right. so significantly with all the firings, with the mass deportations, with the president attempting to impeach a judge because he disagreed with him. There's so many levels. With the war on terror. With the war on terror. With Elon Musk, how many countless things he's bungled. Elon Musk's like, you know, how many countless things he's bungled that like, like all of having all of our social security, you know, in these like unvetted 20 year olds working in his office. And then for them to be like, but there are terrorists. Yeah, no, I miss me with that. So what are you? What are y'all? It's a real canary in the coal mine.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Yeah, real. These are, and these, and the canaries are the government. In many ways, the JFK leak was a canary in the coal mine. It was a canary in the coal mine. Something that was already happening because they leaked this before that. But what's wild too, the National Security Council, when, you know, Goldberg was like, y'all, what the f... What have you to say about this buck up? They put a very much more like just like the JFK stuff quote. This is
Starting point is 00:41:33 what the National Security Council spokesperson said, at this time, the message thread that was reported appears to be authentic and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Huthy operation demonstrates that there were no threats to our service members of our national security. Damn.
Starting point is 00:41:58 The group chat? Yeah. Is that what you said? The group chat was a, was an emoji. How seriously we take this with the pound, flex, flag, fire emojis? Yeah. I mean, the closest we've gotten is like, you know, some like Democrats being like,
Starting point is 00:42:15 people need to be fired, but they said it like that. So it's not very forceful when you go, I think heads should roll. I don't know. Okay. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 00:42:30 This is the one time he should fire people. Right. Yeah. It just, it, you just can't. And then it's, what's so funny is like, I'm just reminded of this moment where Pete Hegseth, um, was, you know, next to president Trump talking about like this, what this new regime meets, met our means for, you know, America's standing in the world. And just listening to this, it hits so much different. Under the previous administration, we looked like fools.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Not anymore. Hell yeah. Not anymore. Not anymore. We look. He does seem to be the person who's catching the most flame emojis. He seems to be under flame emoji, flame emoji fire for what he hit his part in this. I guess he was the person who like added him.
Starting point is 00:43:11 Well, no, but he didn't. That's the thing is like, if people bothered to read the article, Pete Hegseth didn't add him. Michael Waltz added him. But again, it shows like sort of like, you know, outrage sort of thinking when you just want to be mad at Pete Hegseth and you go look how drunk the guy is he texted the like the most dumb version of the story someone reduce it to Pete Hegseth got drunk and then randomly texted someone from the Atlantic what was about to go down when really this is a failure from the National Security Advisor on down. But look, I get it. And they call him the DUI hire now. On the internet. That's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:43:48 Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing that. I'm on board. I'm on board. That's great. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Klarna. My husband cheated on me with two women. He wants to stay together because he has cancer.
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Starting point is 00:47:24 Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And it's time to talk about Klarna. County. Are they an Irish company? County Klarna. No. Oh, they're the AI powered Swedish. Oh, just switch your pot of gold and Klarna. Okay. That's offensive, Zara.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Oh, sorry. Jackson. Hey, hey, hey. Knock that shit off. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pot of gold. We suck at money. That all the, all the anti-Irish jokes.
Starting point is 00:48:05 That's the real canary in the coal mine. That's the real canary in the coal mine for that. There might be a problem with hate and discrimination in this country. Good looking out. Yeah. Salute. So it's actually an AI powered Swedish buy now pay later lending company. I don't know how it's AI powered other than maybe like how they target their ads.
Starting point is 00:48:30 But does AI powered now just mean like no one knows. Yeah. No, they just say it's like, yeah, you use algorithms. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, we're not in charge of this. So that's not for us to be like, wow, the AI powered serfdom service. Like we don't give a fuck about that. It's for like wall.
Starting point is 00:48:49 That's all wall street shit. Like that's why in a CNBC article, it's like, it's AI powered. Everybody, when we were down in Austin for South by Southwest, everybody was talking about, and this was not like talking to me. Like I, like, I wasn't there for this, but like overhearing people talking in the lobby, all they were talking about was like, yeah, you know, I'm just intrigued and interested to be here to see how AI operates in a more corporate atmosphere and like see some presentations on that.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Like another person being like, that's actually what I'm here for. I'm interested in seeing how AI. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:49:29 I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:49:39 I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I're going to get to it. I'd like to go back to that. That is, maybe that is what the AI powered thing is, is they've unloaded all customer service onto AI.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Oh, absolutely. In fact, I think that's right. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, what they do is they will pay for your food now. You just put it up to the gods of Clirna and they'll pay for your food. End of story. Great. Oh, wait. No, I'm sorry. You your food. End of story. Great. Oh wait, no, I'm sorry. You, you do have to pay them back.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Oh, but the loan does not accrue interest. Great. You don't have to pay late fees. So think of it more like your local public library. If the local public library actually sent your shit to collections and ruined your fucking credit. Oh my God. And the Lake Bees do a grew over time.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Yeah, they do. Oh yeah, there's all sorts of fuckery involved here, but they just announced that they're going to be partnering with DoorDash to help people who are in financial trouble, but still want somebody to drive an Arby's sandwich to their home. Now you can use Klarna. Why is Arby's catching straight? Wait, I have an idea. What if instead of mortgage back securities, we do door dash Klarna back
Starting point is 00:51:00 securities, that's essentially what's happening. Yeah. That's God. That's some what, what's happening. Yeah. That's God. That's some prime disaster. Maybe that happened. We, we can just fund the federal government. Right. Oh, when, cause everyone is going to debt, trying to eat food.
Starting point is 00:51:17 That sounds like, uh, you're trying to make something part of a public thing that we, we, everything is better. Oh, we, everything is better privatized. Everything is better privatized and we're going to explain why. Well, it's just wild because like, you know, Klarna and that's after pay, that kind of thing really rose to prominence, especially during the lockdowns and pandemic and people were just like, yeah, fuck it. I'll just put, I'll just do everything on Klarna or after pay and I can just consume fucking like a, just like a wild animal and just Make sure I hit my four payments, but
Starting point is 00:51:50 Slope like there's so many people in fucking debt over their hyper consumption That's made very easy for shit with shit like this. And now we're at the point that it's food Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I'm gonna go out on on a limb here. I'm going to say, if you're out there, you need an Arby's that bad. You just hit up your buddy, Jack. He's going to pay for it. I'll pay for your Arby's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this, this news. You can give it to him in four payments. I will. I will be charging interest. I'm like, Clarna, No late fees, but that clock starts ticking immediately. Yeah. The second you say yes. It's, ooh, the VIG is nasty. The VIG is nasty. So Klarna is preparing to go public.
Starting point is 00:52:36 So this was a big announcement because the stock market fucking loves evil. Love. Seriously. Anything that's bad for people who don't have stock. announcement because you know, the, the stock market loves evil. Anything that's bad for like people who don't have stock, like that's what they're looking for. I'll just hold out for hell. Just hold out for hell for these folks. It feels shake them upside down by their, by their ankles.
Starting point is 00:53:01 But yeah, I mean, it's basically a more AI-driven version of a credit card in the sense that you can't get anybody on the phone. So there are all these horror stories of people getting charged late fees or one guy lost access to his Klarna account because of just changing phone carriers. And there was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:26 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:39 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to take bomber jacket off Zara. That's what I'm saying. How else are you going to get fast fashion? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:47 The late fees are as high as 25% of the total of the loan. This is the thing. Let's say you buy the bomber, the Zara bomber jacket. Sick ass bomber from Zara. For $100, you pay it off the first three payments, but you're late on the last one. You will owe like 25% of the total. You'll, you'll owe $50 at that point because it's 25% of the initial loan is like what they charge it on, not on like what's left, but yeah, there's just
Starting point is 00:54:20 like all sorts of tricky shit. This is like an ADHD nightmare. Exactly. It's just a way of monetizing the fact that there are ADHD people in America. Because everything you just said, the math and my brain just went, it's fine. Yeah, this is easy. 25%. That's low.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Like a hundred would be high. Yeah. 25. Fine. Like whatever. That's like a quarter. That's what I heard. That's a coin. Quarter? Yeah. Yeah. high. Right. Twenty five. Fine. Like whatever. That's like a quarter. That's what I heard. That's a coin.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Quarter? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People's understanding of that kind of stuff is really bizarre. And like, yeah, this, this like buy now, pay later shit. It is so destructive because it sort of plays into this thing.
Starting point is 00:54:58 It's like, no, you don't need all that money now to get the thing you want. Just, just do it this way and you can still have whatever fucking thing it is. Do we need to further crush Americans? I mean, if you can make, if you can put it on the stock ticker and make money off it, it's gonna happen. You know, that's all this is. Accelerationists everywhere celebrate. Like this reads so bad if you look at just the progression
Starting point is 00:55:29 of things right now, that now we're saying fast food can be, you can finance. Debited, oh my God, yeah, finance. Can you get food in installments, in an installment plan? God! Like that's absurd. And I know, I'm sure the version like in the boardroom
Starting point is 00:55:44 is like, it's not bad because people can't afford food. It's because we got a lot of these young people. They just love using door dash. And they're kind of using it outside their means. So why don't we allow that to be a thing they can just throw on the down the road debt pile? Yeah. They call it BNPL.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Buy now, pay later. In case you see that. BNPL. BNPL is a really hot growth sector on the economy. It is. I know, bro. I know people, I know motherfuckers who are fucking around with that shit. Just copping nonsense because it's like the initial pain is like, oh, I have to pay all that right now.
Starting point is 00:56:20 And then you lose track of a couple of things and you're fucking it's like thousands of dollars happen like overnight. Yeah, it feels like it's like not very centralized. And so like one loan, if you don't like pay off one loan, it's like, yeah, it's easy to lose track. All of this makes me feel very violent. Yeah, I feel like they have not learned the lesson, you know, that like there's more people than there are of them, you know? And- Yeah, the ratios aren't really in their favor there.
Starting point is 00:56:49 I mean, let's ignore that we're like, you know, clearly moving toward like, you know, prison labor, indentured servitude, and like, they're gonna pretty soon- Moving towards? A real, yeah, moving, it's a canary in the coal mine. It's a real canary in the- Yeah, those juvenile prisoners who are fighting fires a couple months ago, a real canary in the coal mine. It's a real canary. Yeah, those those juvenile prisoners who are fighting fires a couple of months ago. Real canary in the coal mine.
Starting point is 00:57:08 The real canary in the coal mine situation. Yeah. For this Arby's sandwich of a canary. But I mean, I'm a fan of just like put a lot on a credit card. Steal a social. That's for future me to worry about. Just fucking bounce, man. Y'all, you could be Joe deGeneva
Starting point is 00:57:26 Racking up all this Nordash fucking shit. There's like we have a whole list of Social Security's to steal right now Social Security put your clarinet on it and then rack up some Arby's on JFK It's being called a quote credit trap, encourages more spending and overspending and can easily lead you into more debt than you need. One study found that a third of buy now pay later BNPL customers had loans that had become unmanageable and 40% of borrowers were falling behind on housing payments or utility bills to keep up with credit payments.
Starting point is 00:58:11 So this is honestly, this is like one of the more frightening headlines of anything. Like even the fucking signal group chat about bombing Yemen. I'm like, that one gives me hope. Signal group chat. Like it'll, it will somehow fall apart. It just says so much about what our consumption habits are, what, uh, people's financial situation is the way we look at it. The way you don't blame the people.
Starting point is 00:58:44 It's just like, there's so much look at it. Yeah. The way you don't blame the people. It's just like, there's so much look at it. Yeah. The sophistication, like the level of sophistication is going into like creating this company, investing in this company, making like these ads. Like one of their ads was like a, like 2000s nostalgia ad where like Paris Hilton buys an ice cream cone and like some fucking, you know, canine like dog fashion accessories. Because like-
Starting point is 00:59:10 I gotta see how this is. Let's just kind of see this. I remember seeing it. I think it was Super Bowl. Oh my God. All right, so she pulls up. Oh this is so dystopian. What?
Starting point is 00:59:23 She sees a Dachshund. Oh, this commercial. What, she gonna find another dog she can abandon? What the fuck are you doing here? Doesn't she kill them all? Stretch your payments with Klarna. Oh wow. Stretch your payments with Klarna.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Oh wow. That's smooth. No, that's diabolical. Okay, I've got a little story. When I was in Iran, No, that's diabolical. OK, I've got a little story. When I was in Iran, there was this like day every at the end of the week, my grandma and other grandmas in the neighborhood just made giant pots of food for everyone who needed it.
Starting point is 01:00:01 And people would come in, little kids would stop by and say, hey, my mom and dad just had another baby. They want me to. And she would come in, little kids would stop by and say, hey, my mom and dad just had another baby. They want me to. And she would come with a little Tupperware, the little girl. And like folks from all over the town would come with Tupperware and just take pots of food back with them for somebody who was having knee surgery, somebody who was sick that week, somebody who could cook for themselves. What kind of action was she get? Like, what kind of interest rate was she charging on that food?
Starting point is 01:00:25 Yeah, how many payments? Like what? Yeah. What were the late fees on it? So she got like twice the food. She got twice the food back. You just did it for your neighbors. You just did it.
Starting point is 01:00:34 You made a bunch of food. You bring up, you better make a lot of fests in June when you come back. If you're not coming with Dave, miss me with that sob story. And this tadeeg is not crunchy. Fuck out of here. I'm saying this is what we got to do. Right. No, it's true.
Starting point is 01:00:52 I mean, it's it. Now we have meal trains and we give people these like door dash gift certificates and it's like, we have to get down on the ground. We got to get, we got to cook for each other. Yeah. But it's, yeah, I do feel like this is like that there's a lot of content out there. That's like, you know, talking about people's financial illiteracy. And I do think like that, that is a real problem for sure in this world that preys on financial
Starting point is 01:01:20 illiteracy, but it's also like harder and there is more predatory forces out there trying to prey on your financial illiteracy than ever before. Like this is as difficult as it's ever been to navigate the world and not get fucked over. So yeah, this is a bad idea, but I totally understand like why somebody would be like, yeah, I don't know. Like in the future, I'll have money to pay this back and I'm hungry now. It's built into how our brain works. Our brain was not meant to function in such a complex system.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Balancing out interest over time, is this the best decision? Yeah, we're not good at the future. There's scams for everyone's illiteracy, every generation's level of illiteracy, like, so if it's like bloomers, their tech literacy, that's why they're, they're being had by AI shams up and down because they have tech literacy or a lot of media literally, like, and a lot of people's media literacy is fucking gone. So people are being had because they have no media literacy. And then the financial literacy you're getting got also because people are just
Starting point is 01:02:28 like, yeah, bro, just fucking do. Because if you told that, if I said that shit to my grandfather, he will fucking belly to back suplex me through a coffee. Yeah, you were going to buy it. If I was buying a fucking yeah, my dad would hit me upside the head. They're like, are you fucking what are you fucking talking about? Why would you go into debt of like that because they look at that shit complete even if it's not even the most like new or you know, refined way of
Starting point is 01:02:55 like they sort of those basics were there. Yeah. And yeah, there and again, we just live in a different era to I have Yeah, no, finish, finish. No, just saying like where we aren't as conscious about that things and also we're in a version of a culture that is actively broadcasting to you that this is how you signal your wellbeing and that you're doing well is that, yeah, you can get the melted ice cream hand delivered to you
Starting point is 01:03:21 for four easy payments of fucking $12 or whatever the fuck. I have a question. I'm just wondering why these folks aren't worried that there is some, you know, activist out there who knows how to score an oligarch social security, create a bunch of false credit cards and People on scale and Robin Hood, yeah, I I'm just saying what if I'm not advocate? I don't think yeah. Yeah, but that is a good idea That's a great script idea to work on
Starting point is 01:03:58 About a hacker who then writes all these fake credit cards and you post on on the Internet and be like, y'all don't get wild with them. Just use it for food. Takes a long time. And you have about 24 hours before it stops working. And I post the next one. You know, it's wild. They used to have shit like that for porn websites. What are you gonna tell y'all? They're like membership password protected porn sites in the 90s. There are websites that people would crack different accounts and be like, Oh, you're getting this, you can get this website with this password, but it's only 24 hours and this shit would be gone.
Starting point is 01:04:32 It's yeah, but we need that for all the guard millennials. Hell yeah. I also, if TDZ gets on Pornhub, uh, it triples your ad revenue. I'm just throwing it out there. I know I was, I was reading that thing about how, like, there's a woman who does like science courses and she was like, bro, I'm cleaning up on porn hub. Cause the fuck you just put it up there and it just monetizes. Yep.
Starting point is 01:04:58 How, how is it popping up for people? Are people like in their refractory period after they jack off to the porn they're just like oh you know what i should learn a little bit about how to kind of like model a bell curve in three dimensions right i miss that part of calculus i mean i'm just going to say one minute on pornhub too and we don't have refractory periods so that's right i just go right to the science Yeah after my science in my refractory period after that didn't I need some porn Zara as always such a pleasure having you on the show
Starting point is 01:05:41 People find you follow you all that good stuff. Oh, I love being here folks Zara comedy comm for all things you can find me at Zara Comedy Everywhere. That's Z-A-H-R-A Comedy. I will be doing courses with Urban Haiku pretty soon. At some point, I'm gonna get my core strength together and start performing again. And I'll let you know about that on my sub stack. And in between, what's next, the media I'm into? Yeah. And is there a word of media that you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:06:11 You got it, you got it. Okay, yo, listen up. I am so upset that people have been shitting on the movie Night Bitch. It's fantastic. Amy Adams is fantastic. Every time I want people to understand my life as a mother, I tell them, go watch that fucking movie.
Starting point is 01:06:29 And my husband watched it with me, and he gave me a hug afterwards. The book is fantastic. Nobody reads those anymore. Why is everybody? Why are people shitting on it? Because you're like, what are you trying to do? Create sympathy? No, they're trying to say that it it's like not the experience of mothers or
Starting point is 01:06:48 some, I don't know, there was some nonsense about that in the New York times that it was like inaccurate and I just like, I'm so livid that anyone would think that. Like it's like, it's highly accurate. And then also like it's literally one slice. There are like no movies about moms Right unless it's written by yeah written by a guy about how like wacky moms are how wacky moms can be Like kindergarten cop is like the last time we Yeah, that was the B plot.
Starting point is 01:07:25 Yeah. Right. So go check it out. It's fantastic. And Mo season two of Mo. Mm hmm. All right. And it's and it's absolutely phenomenal. Hell, yeah. And. Just beyond that, I've just got Gaza on my mind.
Starting point is 01:07:46 I've got Gaza on my mind. Yeah, and shit, and even every person, like, how they're just now being like, okay, well, let's go after the people who aren't citizens first to really clamp down on any dissent. God, that's like, just every day there's someone new now who's getting disappeared for again Just speaking on the wrong people for people. Yeah Yeah, no canaries folks. Hashtag no canaries. No, this is the coal. Oh, sorry. We're in the coal mine and it's collapsed
Starting point is 01:08:17 Are you were we're in the coal mining you're dead. This is hell No further questions your honor miles very Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Find me at miles of gray everywhere. Some little works of media I like. A few. Shout out to friend of the show, Kat Abu Ghazaleh, who is actually running for Congress in Illinois' 9th District, So I love this. I think more people need to understand that the people that are in office are so afraid
Starting point is 01:08:46 of doing anything that they just rely on the status quo to stay there. And anybody who presents just say, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.
Starting point is 01:08:59 I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. need to understand that the people that are in office are so afraid of doing anything that they just rely on the status quo to stay there and anybody who presents just something slightly different.
Starting point is 01:09:11 I feel like you see a lot of anger out there for people who do nothing. So maybe people who have a little bit of fight will give some inspiration. But anyway, I just I've shared she she was interviewed in Rolling Stone. I've been just kind of re skeeting stuff that has come out of there, because I think it's very interesting, very exciting. I think the kind of energy that we need given the fact that the Democratic Party brand is died. Then another work from there,
Starting point is 01:09:40 aside from that one, was someone I think on Twitter like years ago said, normalize naming your child after a 10 out of 10 album and at blurred and bold, at blurred and bold.biscay.social posted, time for school, Illmatic. Yeah, I've met a lot of people. That was the first one that I thought of.
Starting point is 01:10:01 That's your- Wake up your sister Aquamini. Yeah. Yeah. Stankonia, these dishes are stankonia. first one that I thought of. Oh, and that's your, and wake up your sister Aquamini. Yeah. Yeah. Stankonia, these dishes are stankonia. Yeah. Stankonia. Uh, and yes, and this is my youngest toxicity.
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Starting point is 01:11:39 go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it and you can find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yes, Joy Crooks is a fantastic artist from the UK. I feel like one of her big songs is that song, Feet Don fail me now. Feet don't fail me now. She's kind of got like a wine housey sort of vibe, like little grit to her voice, but super soulful. She's got a new track out with, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:14 LA's very own Vince Staples called, Pass the Salt. I mean, I guess I'll say Long Beach, you know, I'll keep it really, let me honor. He's from Long Beach. He's really real, North North. Yeah, Pass the salt featuring Vince Staples It's a really good combo. Like he only has I got like I can't eight bar verse on it, but it's great She's kind of doing an interpolation of like a Serge Gainsbourg track on it
Starting point is 01:12:35 That's sort of what I heard in the rhythm section But it's called pass assault Vince Staples Joy Crooks put it on Amy one housey sauce Is that something? The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for us this morning.
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