The Daily Zeitgeist - Poisonings Up? Dennis Rodman NOT Interesting? 4.28.20

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

In episode 618, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and rapper Open Mike Eagle to discuss the new symptoms added for coronavirus, the White House cutting back on Trump briefings, if Trump is behind the spike of calls to poison control centers, long-term isolation being tough on boomers, how cell phone data shows people quarantining less, people craving plastic surgery, The Last Dance recap, and more!FOOTNOTES: Symptoms of Coronavirus 13 hours of Trump: The president fills briefings with attacks and boasts, but little empathy When Trump says he was being ‘sarcastic,’ it’s just part of his gaslighting Governors say Trump’s disinfectant comments prompted hundreds of poison center calls NYC Poison Control Sees Uptick In Calls After Trump's Disinfectant Comments Illinois coronavirus death toll at 1,874, as poison calls about injecting and ingesting bleach spike Calls to poison control centers spike after Trump disinfectant comments COVID-19: Exposures to potentially harmful cleaning products on the rise, especially among children Long-Term Isolation Is Really Not OK for Boomers COVID-19 Impact Analysis Platform Cellphone data shows more people are venturing outside as 'quarantine fatigue' sets in The Great Deflation: Plastic Surgeons On What's Happening to Famous Faces 'Last Dance' shows old wounds haven't healed in Pistons vs. Bulls rivalry Open Mike Eagle's Patreon WATCH: Shigeto - Ringleader Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'll follow the rules put in place by a city, keep your health pristine, and don't get sickly. Oh, won't you please stay at home? All right, thank you to Christy Yamaguchi-Main for that wonderful Paradise City, a.k.a. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by returning guest. He is the brilliant, the hilarious, the talented. He is Mr. Open Mike Eagle. Hello, folks. I am in awe of those little song parodies.

So not only the writing, but you guys' deliveries. My goodness. I had no idea. Yeah, we're only doing 10% of the work it's the listeners that come through with the 90 truly beautiful work I mean that came together after this morning's episode

in which I revealed that I had cans that's right cans of Baja Blast did you get more? I went back to Ralph's and it was totally sold out. I have a picture I'll send you of just the empty hole in the soda aisle where the Baja Blast used to be. That's when it all became real for you.

That's when it became real. Were there other flavors of Mountain Dew there, even though the Baja Blast was gone? Yeah. Wow. Everything. It was like a fully stocked shelf, except for the Baja Blast was gone? Yeah. Wow. It was like a fully stocked shelf except for the Baja Blast. Zero.

How much was there when you first copped? Was it full or did you maybe get... There was one left. It's possible that you may have gotten the last one. Yeah, I might have. I don't know. We'll have to see. Somebody tweeted at me that there were...

They had more at some location out in Nevada. So I'm going to go explore that. Mike, how are you doing? I'm doing all right. I'm doing well. I'm doing close to good, as good as you can be when stuff is falling apart in the world outside. How have you been finding equilibrium throughout it all? Because I feel like that's the biggest challenge.

At least for me, it was like, okay, I've accepted the situation. Now what do I need to do to kind of get there? You have a schedule. What's sort of helping you? I started doing this daily fake radio show on Instagram Live that nobody asked for. But the purpose of it is to help remind people what day it is. And it gives me a structure and it helps me feel like i'm doing something for the world so that um you know so i'm motivated to to be a little bit productive and to be of some sort of service um what's the radio show called uh quarantine drive time radio oh i love it okay

what time do you do it at that death that there's no that i haven't gotten i cannot commit because that's like am or pm drive time one of the exact sometimes it's tomorrow where people are listening and it doesn't matter like i have to i have to do it where what day it is where i am yeah absolutely but yeah like air horns and the sound effects like other drive time shows i i have some obnoxious sounders uh am i able to yeah i really do yeah what's the what's the what's the absolute most obscure drop you have on that soundboard uh i have um this character reinhardt from this video game overwatch uh he yells hammer down and i hit hammer down all the time on thursdays because is Thor's day, so I hit hammer down. Oh, wow. Okay. I like that. Wow.

Thursday's Thor's day. For the Thors. Alright, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about there's six new symptoms

to COVID-19. We're going to look at those. We're going to look about there's six new symptoms to COVID-19. We're going to look at those. We're going to look at the White House's new policy of cutting back on Trump's exposure following his Lysol monologue. Yeah, Lysolpalooza. We're going to look at whether or not he is responsible for a spike in calls to poison control and whether that matters. We're going to look at the lockdown effects on boomers because they are, after all, the most important group of people, according to them. We're going to look at Pence saying that Memorial Day could be a good day to reopen and what Dr. Birx has to say about that. We are going to look at choir fatigue.

We are going to look at lip filler emergencies. And of course, we're going to look at Last Dance episode three and four. I'm going to recap that for you guys, for anybody who didn't catch it, and opine for those who did. But first, Mike, mike we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are the last thing i searched was matt fractions x-men uh i think that tells people a lot about

about me what is that uh well matt fraction is a comic book author mostly known for this, for like reinventing Hawkeye in the modern era. But he I've been reading nothing but old X-Men comics for the past like two months. And so I just finished Matt Fraction's X-Men run. Well, I'm in the last third of it or whatever. But I searched it on Google because I needed somebody to talk to about it. Nobody cares. Like nobody. People don't make old comic book content

the way that you think they would. So I read this thing on an island, and I remain on an island, because nobody cares. When did it come out? Oh, I think maybe like 2008, 2009, something like that. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah.

So YouTube was not popping for a long time. Are you reading them? Are you reading them? Are you reading the physical books or do you have like Marvel Unlimited? Yeah, I got the Marvel app. So I read everything on my iPad. I really, that app I've grown to love even more and more. I downloaded at the end of last year because I was reading the Ta-Nehisi Coates Black Panther on there. And then I was like, wait, I forgot there all this these star wars expanded universe books on there plus like old jim lee x-men that i grew up loving yeah and

it's really intuitive the way the app works like going from paint like panel to panel because it's you'd think it would over like i could watch it on my i was reading comic books on my cell phone i was like there's no way i'm gonna cram a whole page on here but they do the interface is really really good yeah comic book comic book stores are in trouble because it's too easy to have every comic book in my yeah in my backpack you know right exactly that sucks because that was that was like a fun thing to do right like it's like Going to the record store was a really fun activity that is just going to disappear. It has disappeared. Comic book distribution

stopped, too. There hasn't been any new comics since the last week of March. Wow. Is there anything to try and digitize it, or are they just putting everything on hold back when they can start selling, or they're just putting everything on hold back when they can start selling physical copies?

They're putting everything on hold because they had manufactured a certain amount of those physical comics already. Got it. And they don't want to have it where they sell everything digitally, and then when the comic book store is open, there's this backlog of all these physical books that won't nobody want. Right, right, right. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'm watching a lot of comic book YouTube, guys. a lot about the business i don't know about these things what uh is there is there any comic book youtuber that you recommend that is like really good at bringing people in i like this guy uh cbh is comic book herald uh his name is dave but so it's herald not like the name but like like Silver Surfers the Herald of Galactus like that kind of Herald he does these really good reading orders on his website which has really helped me dig back through X-Men history and he does these great like unpackings of issues like the new stuff that comes out and connecting it to like that hero or villains overall Marvel journey which is really it's good, but nobody watches this stuff,

so I shout it out whenever I can. Nice. What's something you think is underrated? I think cashews are underrated. I've learned that in quarantine that you can put cashews in almost anything and make it better. I put cashews in soup.

I put cashews in ice cream. It works either way. There's no other food like that. Wait, cashews in soup? Like a cashew soup? Or what do you mean? Well, okay, so I get this lobster bisque from the supermarket, and I cook it and cook cashews into it.

And it gives it some more texture, and it's real good. And everybody should try it. So are you grinding up the cashews, like chopping them and then putting them in? Or are you either whole it? It just depends on how lazy I am in that moment. I've done it all the ways you can do it. So are you grinding up the cashews, like chopping them and then putting them in? Or are you either whole? It just depends on how lazy I am in that moment. I've done it all the ways you can do it. And every way works for me.

Are you a fan of cashew milk? Unfortunately, no. I'm still, I'm a little weirded out by the nut milks. All of them. Malk? Yeah. I still kind of, my brain doesn't understand how that works. So it's a little resistant.

I am using almond creamer now, but that's only because my supermarket didn't have regular creamer. So I tried the almond creamer, and it's just as good. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, cashews, I used to really, as a kid, I was put off by cashews just because of the shape. I was like, there's no way that tastes good. It looks like a curled up turd, and I don't want anything to do with it. And then as i i think it was just one of those moments like in college or something i had nothing to eat but a bag of

cashews near me and i was like damn i really a good finely roasted cashew uh a wonderful experience it's pretty good mix it in with a little pretzels you ever mix cashew and pretzel? Same mouth, same time? Haven't, but I plan to now. Yeah, it's good, man. Cashews make everything great. I love cashews. I also love... Have you heard Todd Glass' bit about cashews? No.

He talks about just like he had this rich neighbor dad who was always just like jingling cashews in his hand. Like that was just like his baller move, like tossing them in his mouth. And it was like the most baller thing he could ever imagine. It's so funny to even just think now in the world we live in, the idea of seeing someone on the street holding a bunch of loose nuts in their bare hand and just eating them. I'm like, dude, are you okay?

Have those been sterilized? Please stop. Help. Please don't do that. You're're giving me anxiety i don't know where those nuts have been yeah things are talking about things that are like really well timed like the netflix reality shows where it's like love is blind and uh this reality show where like people are horny but they can't touch each other which is like a perfect metaphor for quarantine but they're also like things that are uniquely poorly timed uh the doughboys covered the pizza hut product called dippers that's like uh they just took the took the sauce out of the pizza and now everybody just like passes it around and like dips it

and oh that's gross premise and it's just like so gross and like so the opposite of, and we also talked on a previous episode about how KFC had a ad campaign that was just launching. That was like all about the finger licking thing. Yeah. Gratuitous finger sucking. Like deep throating their middle fingers. You're like,

Oh, don't get all the sauce off. Licking other people's fingers. It's just like, yo, that could not have been. The pizza you're talking about was that the marinara sauce came on the side and you were basically given slices of cheese bread you would then have to reincorporate the sauce into? Pizza Hut does not.

They just feel like they need to Taco Bell-ize and KFC-ize pizza repeatedly. They just always need to come up with a new concept for pizza eating. It's like, no, just make good pizza. Yeah. Pizza is the best already. But that's just deconstructed pizza, isn't it? Yeah, it's just deconstructed pizza with an added level of... An added step where you can incorporate germs.

I'll tell you this, though. As a parent, that shit works, man. Right. When they put the little like tricky marketing on it, on just separating it and putting it in a different form, the kids want it. They want it real bad. Oh, for sure. I mean, even when you just i remember being so fucked up by marketing just hearing something that sounded different i was

like mom i need this now and she's like well no so you can wait till you're an adult and you can buy the shit yourself cut to me now uh not knowing how to use my money but like i remember there's a you know there's a uh pizza chain called amici's, and I misheard it very – the first time I ever had Amici's pizza was at this kid's house, and I overheard them calling it a meat cheese pizza, and it was just a plain cheese pizza that came, but it had fucking incepted my mind, and I was like, this meat cheese, man, I love meat cheese.

And I'm like, this cheese pizza is great. And I kept asking my mom, like, we need a meat cheese and i'm like this cheese pizza is great and i kept asking my mom like we need a meat cheese pizza i gotta get the meat cheese and she didn't know what the fuck i was talking about and credit to her she did try and sounded so like like an immigrant mother like trying to like asking for a meat cheese pizza they're like what do you mean pepperoni the sausage we don't have that then i finally saw the shit written down and i was like oh idiot and i'm gonna just shut the fuck up about this but it's true like children just something fucking slight even

mishearing it it sent me on a fucking entire journey oh man that's so heartbreaking your mom like trying to get a meat cheese pizza for you and getting like no we would have racist pushback well we would have fights because she would be like they don't have it i'm like that's bullshit i just talked to dj and he said that's the fucking place it wasn't the right thing yeah but now and then when when i finally figured out i had to just i couldn't fucking admit it you know what i mean i was like a trump voter too much pride i was like you're never yeah you're going to hear me say I fucked my vote up. I'm just going to be like,

hmm. Turns out they did away with it. Don't worry about it. What is something, what is something you think is overrated? The Tiger King, I think is overrated. Okay.

I think, you know, I think we all watched it because we're at home, but it's not really that good. It doesn't need to be that many episodes. And I can't really tell you anything that happened in it. I can tell you a lot of shit that was implied. I can't tell you a single thing that actually happened in that entire thing. It would maybe just be non-sequiturs.

They're like, hey, man, I remember that one time I think he was just shooting a huge-ass shotgun at some Tannerite. I think I remember that part part and that's about it. And then like just the music videos, but yeah, I wonder if, I wonder if like a lot of people's like backlash or the evolution was just because so many people talked about it. Like,

we're just like, it was fine. Is it that I'm trying to figure out like where, how we would have responded six months ago to this you know what i mean like if we would have watched it as much because i remember when i saw the trailer for it this is when i was suspecting that we were going to have to begin locking down or like working from home would be the new normal for a second i was like oh shit okay some garbage to watch when i literally have

all this time but i wonder if i would uh i don't know yeah it's hard to say i usually don't watch stuff like i don't know i watch some stuff like that i like to watch like the true crime stuff but when it's like the crime is actually solved or something i don't like the the open-ended one so much right um so i i don't know i don't know if i would have watched a matter of fact when i first saw the trailer i was intending not to watch it but then it was kind of interesting and i didn't have anything else to do right and so then i was like binge watching it before i knew it but like they announced a new episode and i was like wait a minute a new episode why why a new episode and then you watch it and then you get mad because the production value is low because that actually

has like the subconscious effect of reminding you of how not normal everything is and that's what i'm like i wonder for me if i just came back around to sort of like it just became a lightning rod for my frustration of like where we're at like not that where we're at but it's just like yeah man then there's that thing that everybody loved for 15 minutes and this is it's just simple like emblematic of uh or like it symbolizes kind of like what this is right now. I don't know. Yeah. And I think there's like some cultural like people who aren't familiar with that part of the country who that's how they prefer to imagine that part of the country.

Right. They prefer to imagine that part of the country as just unaccountable, just completely make no sense to them, so they must make no sense. And I think there's that sort of, I don't know. I'll be interested to see in 40 years how we look back on all these docu-series and documentaries because when you look back at like the things that were considered great documentaries of the past a lot of times like there's like really fucked up things at the center of them right like nanook of the north was like super fucked up the story behind how that was made this disney documentary that won the academy award like they were also the it was the

documentary where they invented the idea of uh what are the things that run off of a cliff like one after each other lemmings lemmings lemmings yeah they invented that shit for the documentary and threw animals off a cliff to like film basically um but then like even like high culture shit like in cold blood there's like all sorts of weird moral implications of that so i i do wonder like in the future it seems like that's the way things go when it with with regards to like non-fiction stuff as we just like get a better perspective on how fucked up the inherent like conflict of it is uh i i do have to ask on behalf of jamie uh open mike eagle did you watch the jinx i did watch the jinx and i enjoyed it very much is robert durst innocent no there's no way okay i just had to get you on wax

had to get you on wax no every time we bring this up and jamie usually is one of our co-hosts she uh i mean i i'm presuming it's a bit she's a derse truther she's a derse she always talks she's a derse truther but it's always worth a laugh how does she defend the bathroom thing no she doesn't it's just it's a bit but okay but it's so she's so invested in it that it's it's amazing to treat her as serious but did you watch um i didn't watch that that one is also a fucking weird ass true crime thing too that definitely resolves at the end but it's a it's another one where you're like what was going on like who are these people on facebook trying to figure out crimes was that that okay? Did the municipalities need to do more? I really like Evil Genius.

I think that's my favorite one of all time. You seen Evil Genius? Yeah, that one was wild. That one to me is incredible. Because those people were fucking weird. And they did some weird ass shit. And then, like, there was no way you could have expected all the weird ass turns the weird ass shit took. Yeah.

I felt very satisfied after watching that was there some pushback after that came out like something to do with her was there i feel like i don't know there's always some pushback yeah i'm like i feel like there's not a single documentary true crime anything where it's like actually but that one also like looked at a story that i remember when i was a kid seeing in the news and just that capturing my imagination, just being like, what the fuck? There are people out there who have high-tech collars that explode your head, and they can just kidnap you.

Yeah, that was wild. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Okay, so I was a little worried, and I still am, that this may have been the myth that I said when I was on before, but I really couldn't think of another one so i hope this isn't the same one i said but um there's a myth that that musicians make more money now or at least when the world was back intact uh they made more money touring now than they did before and that is not true is that based off of like what what's the flawed logic behind the myth that

like somehow tickets are more expensive therefore you're getting a bigger cut at the door or what right like it's basically based on this this uh this kind of wishful thinking almost that um since there's no more money in physical music, that people are making more money from touring somehow. But it's not. It's basically the same money. It's just minus the revenue from the physical product. From the sales. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not that you make a bunch more money touring. It's like that's most of your money now. Right. Yeah. And that's why, like, yeah, the bands that are crushing it, you're like, they're the arena rock bands. Like, when your smallest venue is the Rose Bowl,

you're like, yeah, that makes sense. You're doing well. Yeah, exactly. It's also curious. I mean, I would love to see some kind of true crime thing about the ticket industry and those relations between, like, Ticketmaster, Live Nation, you know, how all that moves.

Because I feel like that's a very... It's real nasty. Yeah, and it's also a very nebulous thing and it's very abstract for anyone in that side of the business to fully get their head around how the money breaks down and where the tickets are

and what the fuck is going on. Yeah, man. Like there's basically like Rock Nation, since Rock Nation is a partnership between the old Rockefeller people and Live Nation, since Rock Nation is a partnership between the old Rockefeller people and Live Nation, they just own a bunch of venues, which is a weird thing. That's a weird thing. They own a bunch of venues and they're able to promote their artists that way and make

sure they have spaces to perform and well-promoted events and all that sort of thing. When you're really independent, all that shit is a real drag but you know this is i guess it's just where um this is where most entertainment business is headed right i mean that's that's the thing that's illegal in the film industry that they had to like get rid of the monopolies where the studios also owned the theaters because that just is too much of a like vertically integrated supply and demand chain that like you just they can just control everything they got overturned though didn't it recently it's going to slowly yeah like i thought netflix netflix bought a theater i thought because it was like yeah like that had loosened a little bit and

that's why they're trying to figure out if they need to relitigate this because they're like are we just gonna slide right back into that yeah because and amc is dying right now like yeah so there's gonna be a huge void in that market and i know like the you know the production companies in the world the studios are going to want to step up and try to fill it yeah yeah yeah there's just gonna be theaters that only show disney movies that's what i'm thinking maybe that's really how in demolition man the franchise wars occurred is like there's some kind of depression and like a lot of the big companies had to sort of go into hibernation and then as they look to whatever the future was maybe saw

holes starting to corner new industries and then boom taco bell's on top they've won the franchise wars yeah and then what that means for you know music or film too yeah as if that's demolition man but it is man it's all got to listen man i was watching uh we're probably going to get to uh talking about the last dance but i found out in yesterday's episode that Dennis Rodman's hair-dyeing whole gambit came from Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man. The first time he dyed his hair was when Demolition Man came out and Wesley Snipes had blonde hair. He dyed his hair blonde, and then he liked the attention that he got from it. Yeah, and then he got Madonna, and Madonna changed everything. Yeah, exactly. It all goes back to Demolition Man.

I've been saying it forever i always see in my mind i this was like a thing i'd always think about because if you remember there's a robert townsend film called meteor man yeah and the the kids in that movie were rocking bleached afros in that movie and i always thought people were like man you know wesley snipes i was always a meteor man truther when it comes to the pro thing from the early 90s because i'm like no man meteor man the kids were rocking that swag before simon phoenix was in san angeles 2032 and i was as i look meteor man came out in on august 6 1993 demolition man came out october 8th 1993 wow so they're only two months apart in the it was just in the... It was just in the firmament.

And I'm sure some other hair historian stylists can go back and actually say they're referencing another thing. But for me, I always remember that first sort of real, truly mainstream representation of that look came in Meteor Man. All right, guys, let's take a quick break

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Officially, right in the beginning, the three main symptoms that the CDC kept saying to look out for were fever, cough, and shortness of breath or difficulty breathing. That was it. And now as they have more data and they're seeing, and a lot of people would say these other things too. So the full list is now fever, cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, chills, repeated shaking with chills, muscle pain, headache, sore throat, new loss of taste or smell. So the reason they also did this is because since a lot, obviously testing is the most important thing right now. They, in some places are saying you

have to be showing symptoms to get tested they're saying okay well then all these are symptoms now wow get these people tested like this is this because i mean yes there's plenty to suggest that these are symptoms but to make it narrow just to those because they saw some people did have covid and only had the loss of smell thing going on so now by expanding this they're hoping to get more people tested which you know is the right what needs to happen how do you know you can't smell nothing if you're never even around other people how do you know that's a good point smell your armpit oh if you're i guess if you're a parent uh of a of a baby then that that's how i learned that i can't smell shit.

But I don't know. That one seems so specific, and it's the only one I have. So I feel like maybe I do have COVID-19. I don't know. It's like, yeah, you're like those dudes in Fury Road who are addicted to that chrome, but you're sniffing diapers.

You're like, ah, keep me alive. I know I'm alive, baby. Yeah, I think it's really i the like another reason i said armpit is because the moment i thought i'd lost my smell i like for some reason my you know like your pillow you can kind of get this saint you you if you ever have your face in your pillow there's detergent whatever your head you can smell it all and it didn't happen to me in bed so i had to immediately go to my armpit just to be like, is there some remnant of funk

that the nose is working? It's the only time funk is ever positive. Yeah. That's good. And I'm no hypochondriac. I have a problem reading symptoms because I feel like I have them immediately. Everything I do is when I'm reading it.

I don't have these things, but I feel like I do. I feel like I have chills. I feel fucking fine. Suddenly I got chills. Chills with body pains? I'm like, well, I did go on a run this morning. It was really cold.

It was chilly and I was aching. Huh, could be. All right, guys. Well, let's talk about the continued fallout from what I think is still Donald Trump's last press conference when he got up there and started suggesting that people uh somehow inject uv radiation or uh bleach into their body into their lungs to kill clorox or that doctors should do that and like on the one hand it was like that's just another

stupid thing being said by the president but this this one seemed to, for whatever reason, be one that like even his followers, even his base, like sort of wobbled a little bit. They were like, wait, what the fuck? Well, yeah, some people had to do the thing, be like, no, he meant to say that. So actually, you look stupid because you don't understand English is what he suggests. It's like, okay, please. And I think, again, people need to realize what most people are responding to isn't the fact that he's saying shit like, oh, man, we got to check out the Clorox remedies and shit like that.

It's that this man looks like he's winging it on stage in the middle of a pandemic. I could give a fuck what he said specifically. It does not inspire confidence in me to see the commander in chief take the stage and then look around be like hey i don't know should we look into this uv light stuff how about maybe clorox what are you doing in between these things dude shut the fuck up unless you're gonna say something and i think that's why the white house is now trying to pivot a bit to say, okay, we need to, clearly this is fucking not working. And we want to come out with just more focused briefings.

Because it's funny, like the New York Times and Washington Post kind of were analyzing how Trump speaks during these briefings. And they were just basically like, yeah, he mostly uses the time to like suck on his own porcini dick during the fucking briefings. But like, you don't need to analyze that to see

like what you're seeing it's like yeah he he does it's a ton of self-praise it's a lot of blaming other people uh and absolutely zero empathy that's like the hallmarks of the briefings yeah somebody pointed out like towards the end of last week that like he just hasn't said a single empathetic thing and i had sort of taken that for granted because he's uh clearly like just narcissistic beyond the capability of feeling any sort of empathy for anything but it is wild to to imagine literally any other president like and how like their their whole job would be you know making it seem seem like the government is empathizing with them, like while all these programs are being put into place.

Yeah. But he is neither empathizing nor putting those programs into place, it seems like. Well, and you'd think that with now the death toll, they're saying it's going to, will very much likely surpass the death toll of the Vietnam War this week that even then you know like a question like that it's like we're looking at a tremendous loss of life like we're gonna top 60,000 pretty soon which is like the fucking kick-ass we did a great

job number that Trump was talking about earlier uh like maybe a month and a half ago but even in those moments just fucking just doesn't register. Tens of thousands of lives lost. Just nothing. Maybe we should blame China. And like, that's all they have. And what's interesting too, is there was this puff piece in Politico written today

about Hope Hicks, you know, who famously left the White House, who was like the Trump whisperer. And we had reported how she had come back and we're like, Oh, that means like they're having a hard time getting him under control. The in,

in this puff piece, a lot of the excerpts just read like they're straight shit talking or just, it sounds like she completely is terrible at her job. Um, I just want to read a couple of things because some, a lot of this is directly related to the Corona virus response. It says for hope Hicks, it marked a challenge. Unlike any other related to the coronavirus response. It says, For Hope Hicks, it marked a challenge unlike any other,

trying to develop a communication strategy for the president to carry with a wartime footing in an election year. The former White House communications director urged the president to act as a front man for the coronavirus, a leader who could offer calming messages, critical health information, and important updates on the progress of the White House's response efforts, instead of delegating those responsibilities to health officials or the vice president. Then, he says, along with Kushner, Miller, and Staff Secretary Derek Lyons, Hicks urged the president to give an Oval Office address to the nation to convey the seriousness of the pandemic amid Americans' rising anxiety

and volatility in the stock market. That was the March 11th speech that went so fucking bad uh because it was poorly written no one really vetted it and he just like they just let him do his thing uh again this is this is the work of hope picks apparently so i mean to be fair in any like with literally any other president that would be the right answer it's just yeah but you've been working with this man long enough to know you can't go up there and do that. Oh, for sure.

You just got called on in the pitch meeting, and you didn't come with anything. She said, Oval Office address? Yeah. One of the stories that seems like it's getting a little bit of traction that we wanted to fact check is the idea that trump's clorox speech was responsible for a bunch of calls to poison control um because people were saying there there was a a spike in calls to poison control but uh there's been articles fact checking it and it seems like

you can't necessarily tie the two uh because there's just been an overall spike in calls to poison control because so many people are over-disinfecting everything. People are dipping their groceries in bleach and shit. Oh, wow. There's just more of that going on in general. People are dipping packs of Ch ahoy in in bleach yeah exactly wow that probably wouldn't be as bad as like dipping an apple in bleach uh that's what

you don't want to do uh yeah a piece of pizza it's the it's the big dipper from pizza hut yeah exactly no sauce bleach and slice in in bleach pass around a bleach packet. That's right. I mean, people have to, I mean, I guess this clearly shows that people aren't reading enough. One of the first things I was thinking was this kind of stuff. Like, okay, shit, does this mean like I have to wash my fucking, like anything maniacally when I bring it home to eat? And a lot of experts like transmission through food is very low risk. Yeah. But they still say, yeah, you can take precautions because absolutely the bacteria can live on all of these things. But like, it's hard because I think you see people just do, it's like they either do too

little or absolutely too much in the case of like, let me just spray down my food with Clorox spray and then forget that I'm actually going to ingest that later. Yeah. Our writer JM was pointing out, it's not necessarily his... I mean, it is bad that he's able to spread as much misinformation as he is. But it's also... And the really surprising thing about this one is his susceptibility to believing misinformation is really scary like that this is a very stupid thing that we can almost assume that like 99 of the population

wouldn't believe but we can't assume that the president understands that and people were trying to figure out like where this belief came from And apparently just days before Trump made that statement, he got a letter from Mark Grennan, who is the leader of the Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. Oh, boy. And he told Trump that drinking his chosen brand of bleach that he sells can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body and can rid the body of COVID-19. And last week, the FDA had obtained a federal injunction to stop him from selling this shit. But yeah, they think that their bleach can cure. He's tried to get his bleach used to cure anything from cancer to HIV to autism to the common cold. Wow.

And they're saying that Trump, his interaction with him may have led him to this conclusion? All we know is he got a letter a couple days before, and that specific idea somehow got into his head. Well, he famously does not listen to people. And even when it came to when they asked him how he was going to go about reopening the country like he kept saying that it was going to be partly based on his instincts like he kept saying that he's fucking weird like he doesn't yeah like he he really feels like he's got you know the the power to decide things which which he does no research whatsoever yeah so he doesn't listen to experts at

all yeah now we're getting like the more literal comparisons to a cult where the leader is saying straight up nonsense and people like yep inject the bleach that's right that's what he's saying and i trust him he's waiting for a sign he trusts gut. And as I watch like the Waco thing, a shout out to the website, Wonkette, who have called these like boomers who go out demanding the lockdown be ended. They call them the branch COVIDians. That's hilarious.

Because they really are like looking at like, you know, David Koresh was like, I'm waiting for a sign from God before like I move on acting these things like this. And the Trump thing of just saying like, I'm waiting for my, my guts to tell me something.

And if people really look at that and say, yeah, I'm going to go with that over science. Like, yeah, we're fully, like we're fully, fully there now. You know, like not just sort of like the, like rhetorically being like, yeah, the cult of Trump. Like, no, we're now we're going on things that are so, I mean, so many things are against, well, what is our, I don't know, our accepted reality.

But when you go this far, it feels like we're we're waiting. We're waiting for the next miracle or spaceship or some shit to come down. Yeah. Miles, you were researching boomers in general and their struggles with core life. with core life yeah there's been a lot of articles like just kind of talking with boomers because i think as these movements like the ending the lockdown thing like people are just trying to get an idea of how people are feeling um but in the daily beast they were raising a couple interesting things i mean overall it seems like a lot of baby boomers are getting they've hit they're trying to hit a wall in terms of like how long they can like stop living normally right there's like one woman that they interviewed

who's like i'm just zoom zoom zooming all day like and it's not good enough like i'd rather be there like i used to go here and go do that and i don't like this anymore and you know this woman was in her 70s she was like a retired teacher and many younger past students were offering to like help her with groceries and things she has a husband who's 78 and this is like another thing even talking to my friends and anybody's seen like there's this this resistance to help from younger people um and you know credit to everybody who's found a way to help their elderly relatives or you know neighbors out that helps save them their pride. But they go on to speak with an expert, like a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and a researcher

on geriatric behavioral health. And just saying that isolation and other research they've done in terms of the effects on the elderly social isolation could be really, really bad. And they just say from, you know, past studies that they've looked at, they said they have this very, very intense need, their social interactions, quote, they need it beyond what they get via media, such as touch, to feel they are in touch is very important, quote. So functional decline could be dramatic, meaning that their ability to perform their tasks to take care of themselves could begin to decline. And it was interesting on some of these interviews, too, you'd see people be like, oh, I think

I have an ulcer, maybe, or I thought it was just like an acid reflux, but it's gotten a lot worse, and I probably should have gone to the doctor, but I didn't know. I didn't know if it was that bad a deal in the COVID thing. And so you're hearing, too too from people not taking care, like it's having certain effects like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of this shit overlaps with depression and like some of like the

quarantine is just like enforced depression. Like it's, I had to like force myself to start exercising because like you really can like more easily, i'd say fall into the behavioral patterns of just being like i mean i i definitely did i i don't want to speak for other people but i definitely it was easier for me to lapse into behavioral patterns that i've had with depression than in other times when i can like get out and do stuff outside of the house it's been really interesting to note in my own life how like you know a lot of my choices were based around like going outside

like you know like like there's there's like there's only like i feel like there's only like a tenth of my wardrobe by access right now because like all the rest of it was built around like going places and seeing people and wanting to make sure they hadn't seen me in the same thing and like you know all this this stuff that i wasn't even consciously thinking about but was just like motivators of why i would make certain decisions and like you say like it's it's really easy to just fall into a pattern of like nothing matters yeah which is a which is a yeah a very easily door for depression to open and and set in like i had to i had to like another reason i started doing that quarantine radio show

was that i had to decide that it was monday one monday so that i would stop drinking i had to like put an end to the weekend weekend right, weekend, right. You know? Yeah. Yeah, enforced Mondays. Yeah, the other things, the other experts they were talking to, they were saying they were raising some alarming points. Now, granted, a lot of the isolation research that's been done with the elderly was done completely out of the context of this quarantine. So they're not saying this is what's going to happen, but they're saying typically the effects of isolation can be

really, really, really terrifying. Then like a recent study that they had put out in terms of looking at elderly people who are going through chronic isolation, they said 25% increase in the risk of death from cancer, 29% increase in the risk for heart disease, a 32% increase in stroke risk. So there's a lot of things that go along like, you know, with just, you know, when you take out that social dimension of like life,

it's really a lot of, a lot of bad things can happen for older people. So please check in on elderly friends and family. I know a lot of people too have been saying their parents have started watching more Fox News. People have not even started watching Fox News because Fox says the shit that they want to hear.

Less okay boomer, more you okay boomer? Yeah, exactly. I have a report from my neighborhood. There's a the people who live across the street from me are older and they have a party every Sunday. they have a fucking party every sunday like the first time they did it during quarantine like they were super loud and like they're playing

the music super loud and the fucking helicopters came and was like hovering over their house and shit but it didn't stop them they still do it they still do it every fucking week it is unbelievable but it's also it's like i i can tell with them it's just hit a certain point where like they have they have to be around each other they have to yeah like it just i think what i think and it's kind of what you're getting at too it's like what they lose when it comes to not being around each other is way more than you can quantify with just like you know productivity or you know what i mean like it just it means so much more to them well because especially at a certain age like if you're retired like traditionally like to end your retirement life too because this would shut down your post-work social life that

like retirees have like pretty busy schedules in that way and so i'm sure it's probably really jarring for you know a seven person their 70s to be like but i have all these things to make my life go longer because right i'm not working right now and i need this stimulation so yeah i think that's why a lot of there's been a lot of talk about this quarantine fatigue that we've seen like man southern california we some beaches we absolutely disgraced ourself this weekend holy shit in orange county like newport and orange county it was a popping um ventura county not so much because their rules at the beach was sort of like you can come to the beach but you have to keep it moving you can take a stroll along the beach don't swim don't stop don't sit just keep it moving they have a keep it moving order la they're like fuck out of

here dude like if we catch it it's bad don't get fucking near here and yeah there's been like a study from researchers at the university of maryland showing that like they've seen for the first time they've been tracking sort of anonymous cell data that the social distancing effort has like across the country declined by about 3%, like measurably. And we'll link to the footnotes to that study because what they do is sort of average out by state how many trips someone might be taking the average distance and sort of how that compares to over time. But I think it's natural, right? I think at a certain point, yeah, people are starting to meet their own natural resistance to this way of life. But I think it just says that we have to strengthen our resolve to stay committed to this because it's truly like the outlooks can be really bad if we don't.

Yeah. And it's not that they're over counting the number of people who are being killed by this disease and in fact they are probably under counting because there's a new report that uh like when you just look at the expected number of deaths like just across history in the u.s and then this year like around the time that the pandemic started, deaths went up by way more than what we're currently attributing to COVID-19. It's like we don't know the full extent of the death and destruction. And people are just... And try as we might to figure out the truth, I'm not sure that'll happen. Because again, and i bring the same point

up just like in puerto rico with the hurricane there many people died not directly from the hurricane itself but the lack of access to medical care and supplies and things like that and those are deaths caused by the hurricane so but to keep to keep it uh keep it tidy they want to suppress those figures and I think that's really important because even in Italy, a lot of doctors were saying, yes, we had a certain amount of COVID deaths, but then we also had these other deaths that were probably, I mean, doctors were saying like we would attribute to COVID because it was based off of the strain on the hospital. And these people, they were preventable deaths, but because we were overwhelmed by COVID patients,

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And don't worry. We promise to avoid any black holes. Most of the time. And we're back. And it's been a couple weeks for celebrities of not being able to get in the chair with their favorite plastic surgeon. And I mean, not just celebrities, other people who have cosmetic adjustment dependency. Yeah, plastic surgeons are having to deal with people who are like, come on, man. Just a little lip injection, man. There was a, so a lot of this was around this photo

of Kylie Jenner, who famously has a lot of aftermarket work done. She was leaving the store, and her top lip was uncharacteristically thin. Granted, she wasn't wearing makeup and things like that, but a lot of people were also noticing some celebs would take selfies. Someone might comment, like, oh your your face looks a little different and then the pic would get deleted um because naturally you know like this shit it can take up to every three to four months or maybe you get it annually or whatever but a lot of plastic

surgeons are saying if you were meant to get an up upkeep uh you know uh appointment to inject more botulism into your skull to keep your wrinkles gone um that right now things would be starting to sag a little bit things would start to get droopy wrinkly and for many i think sort of uh superficial or looks obsessed people to see a mortal human being stare back at them in the mirror might be the last thing they need during all of this you know i had no idea that of this you you were basically like subscribing to thick lips i didn't i didn't know that it was like that i thought i thought you just did it it's like a breast implant right yeah i thought you just get it done one time

and then it is good for five to seven years or something like so like so what happens is the stuff just get metabolized into the body like where does it go like i'm sure i guess that's a really good question i luckily i'm very happy with my lips so i don't know uh like what exactly happens but i think it's like yeah this the effect or the plumping effect goes down from whatever the reaction is sort of they're injecting um and so they uh jezebel like contacted a few different plastic surgeons some in in Los Angeles. And a lot of what they're saying is mostly for the record, they're like, I stopped seeing people on March 17th when we were shutting the city down and I stopped. And there's tales of some people being like, I'm doing as much as I can, even though it's

not quite what people want, like doing FaceTime consultations and being like, okay, I'm going to prescribe you this thing, which is like a chemical peel, but they can't do procedures. And so I think a lot of people are getting desperate. And some of the doctors are like, you know, and I'm, you know, there might be people who are actually making house calls, which would be terribly unethical, considering that a lot of these offices who had their shit together were like, absolutely, I'm not doing any house calls. They're they're like i'm sorry your face will recover after this but you're just gonna have to deal with this i mean it's interesting to see like what part what like where on the spectrum some of these plastic surgeons were communicating to patients or clients i mean it reminds me of the barber situation here in my part of town too because there are definitely barber shops that

are like secretly open here yeah and in one sense i i certainly understand that things are shut down in order to keep everybody healthy but on the other hand i'm like damn like what do people do when when all they've ever done to get income is cut hair and now they can't have a shop like i don't necessarily know that them being secretly open is the wrong way to go about it either i feel like like if somebody wants to take, I don't know, I guess even that gets bad too, because you're not just taking a risk for yourself, because you can be spreading it to other people and all of that too.

I do think about it from the hustler's mentality too, and I don't quite know that telling those people they can't make any money for three months is cool either. Well, I think? That's why I like, yeah, to really have a bear of like a fair and balanced discussion on what we do is we have to begin considering people like that in how we support them. Like this goes down rather than be like, Hey man, just, you know, your team, no sleep, get on your grind.

It's like, no, no, no. Like we, we have to also be able to tell people like even if your income might not be able to be verified a certain way to get this kind of assistance that you still need to extend that assistance to other people because yeah the option is to put other people at risk and i think that's what you see in some states like too like georgia you know killer mike has like a and his wife owned like a chain of like beauty salons and barber shops and they're like i don't care what the governor says like we're not we just can't like we understand everyone's need to like you know it helps for your feeling of like self-worth and you feel good when you get your hair cut and things like that but on some level it's like it's having to grope with that you know the the risk

involved yeah i i do feel i think barberhops are going to be one of the first ones to open up because people and in fact there's a the front page of drudge the conservative like front page of the internet has a headline the top headline is back to life and it's a picture from a uh barber shop like i think that is something that's like on people's minds it's like i just need to get my hair cut man yeah well it feels like shit i don't know how many i've seen i look through my instagram stories and i've seen so many uh white guys uh panic shave their head yeah i'm like oh i don't know what to do man i guess this is how i'm dealing with it i'm like i guess okay i don't know i've always had my i

always cut my own hair but i i can i know that feeling though too like when you just sort of like you're looking at it you're like fuck it man i don't know when i'm getting out i might look the same when i come out uh but there's also a lot of great comedians there's like this comedian in england who's been having his followers send him uh photos of their own their home haircuts and it's so funny like it's just it's actually a great if you ever want to you know give someone a laugh cut your own hair and share it with the internet because that there's like photos of these guys wearing literal metal stainless steel mixing bowls

trying to perfect the bowl cut, and still it comes out fucked up, and they're screaming in frustration, but we get it. We're all dealing with it. And I think even to Mike, what you were saying, we have to kind of confront our tendencies of always needing to flex or stunt or look a certain way or appear a certain way, too.

Because, yeah, I'm, like, I have, like, a rotation of, like, three t-shirts and, like, three shorts and underwear that I'm, like, I don't need to do any. I don't need to complicate this. Like, this is the rotation. And then thinking, like, I have all this extra shit, too, which, like, I get is fun. And you, thinking, I have all this extra shit too, which I get is fun. And you like, I don't know. But even for celebrities not being able to get their lip injections or whatever, I think on every level,

some person's examining what their outward life was like and how much that affects their day-to-day decision making. For sure. All right, guys. We have come to the point in the episode where I'm going to recap episode three and four of Last Dance, the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls documentary.

Mike, have you watched any of it? The Michael Jordan show is the best show in all of television. It should win Oscars, Emmy, Grammys, and Tonys for all years to come. Yeah. Did you watch episode three and four i sure did so i mean my overall review is uh yeah it's the best tv show i've ever seen i i needed this

so bad oh my gosh inject it and just pour it directly into my veins these two episodes had some great footage of jordan being jordan we got the shot where he hits the shot in game five over Craig Elo to send them to the second round of the playoffs. And you get to like, see it from different camera angles. Like even for somebody who's like pretty familiar with that shot, like seeing it from different camera angles. And then,

you know, why like hearing the crowd just like die in the stadium was pretty cool i feel like i've only seen the one main shot which is from behind mj when he takes that shot and then the fist pump where he just where he jumps up and it looks like he leaves his body it looks like he kicks craig elo in the face but it's just he just yeah metaphorically kicked the entire and then like shorty yuka is the holy spirit basically and he's like is he's like telling he's like apparently telling the crowd to like go to fuck home is that what he's

yeah you didn't know that. Oh my God, that's amazing. Yeah. You also got their first championship. The 91 finals against Magic Johnson. It was pretty dope. Because this is ostensibly about the

98 Bulls, episode 3 was the Robman episode. And Robin is just like twice as interesting as anybody else who's ever played basketball. That was one thing like if I like this was the first episode where you start to see the imprint of this being like Jordan's's documentary like him having complete creative control like starts to come in because i feel like you could have gotten more rodman like there's really interesting footage of him like playing in his early days uh there's footage of him like studying tape which is interesting because you think of him as just like you know this aloof guy who doesn't

really give a fuck and he's like this student of the game who like studies everyone's shot to see like how it uh like comes off the rim and studies their offensive games to figure out how to defend them and i don't know it feels like you leave some good stuff about robman uh on the table because it like, as Robin joins the Detroit Pistons, it like then weaves into like Jordan's battles with the Detroit Pistons. Like, it's like,

it's almost like hearing a guy who's had a couple of drinks, like telling a story and then being like, yeah, but back to me. But it's, it's dope. It was a great episode there.ael talk about how that made him start lifting weights more yeah yeah he does yeah i didn't see the episode but i just know

that was like the moment he was like oh fuck dude he put on like 25 pounds of pure muscle off season he went from like 195 to 220 uh and there's like some like he looks wild-eyed and like very dangerous when he's lifting weights like he looks scary man he's just completely on fire just losing his mind trying to get ready uh for that next season cj toledano uh megan gailey's husband on twitter he added ron harper because you know ron harper played with them and he also played with shack and kobe and he was like who wins ron you have to tell us now and ron harper actually responded he's like it's gonna be the bulls bro i'm sorry the bulls yeah he said it that's oh yeah that's what it had to be um but that was it

it's just funny too how much this i haven't watched i haven't watched any of this series uh but i'm going to uh because i absolutely love this era but i think i'm having like weird watching anxiety where like when i hear something's really good i'm like oh shit all right i gotta fucking like prepare myself to like really watch this really good thing what other then i'll be like without thinking watch absolute trash bullshit tv uh but like in a way because i'm such a like trash like cockroach you know like microbe subsisting on trash when i hear of something good it intimidates me um but i love like everything about this team and the people like dennis rodman's growth spurt in high school is one of

my favorite stories of human growth i've ever heard in my life, where he went from 5'8 to 6'9. Yeah, but they don't even talk about that. They don't even talk about that. This man went from 5'8 to 6'9 in one year as a 16-year-old or 15 years old. Like, what the fuck? Did they talk about Scottie Pippen's growth

a little bit more than they talk about Dennis Rodman's? Yeah, they don't really get into it. I understand what you're saying about being intimidated, like i'm similarly intimidated by fiona apple's album i haven't been able to finish it because it's too fucking good you know and they're like it starts to fuck them it's the same thing but my like one of my main takeaways from this jordan documentary is like how much everybody who's featured in this is like equal parts brilliant and maniac. Like all of them. They're like insane and absolutely brilliant at the same time.

Like the stuff where they show Dennis Rodman like just talking basketball and talking about defensive schemes. And it looks like he's seeing math in his head. But then like he's got to go to Vegas in the middle of the season. Like he just got to go to vegas in the middle of the season like he just has to right like and to the point where michael jordan has to show up to his hotel room to get him out of bed with just drag him out of bed with carmen electra right unbelievable yeah like that was that was so interesting that like it so uh miles it's like after pippen has sat out the first 35 games of the season he comes back and like robin so part like one version of it is just like he had been on good behavior for too long and needed to like go let loose but the other version that you get

is that like he felt like he was the number two and he was like mj's main guy and then when pippin came back his like feelings of abandonment came in it was like really interesting psychologically and then he like goes to vegas and it's like some dark shit man like you just see him like he's he's there like at one point he's just in a parking lot drinking a Miller Lite outside, just hiding from the cameras. And then he gets on a Harley and just tears his ass away. It's just like, damn, man. And this is while he's on break from the bull.

While the season's going on. It was insane. Yeah. It was in season while his team's trying to three-peat. Just got to rest him. You know, we got to load management. And then he comes back and he's like in great shape. He can still just beat everybody in sprints and everything.

That's one of the two details about Rodman that I've just heard elsewhere that I wish they had included. One is that he would lift weights for hours after games, which is insane. Players need to recover after games. His recovery was weightlifting? Was weightlifting. That's why he was stronger than everybody, man.

He was so athletic and so fucking strong. And then the other one is that he returned to Detroit after his rookie year and they were like what what did you guys all do in the off season and he was like i was wrestling bulls and castrating them to like uh to to stay in shape and like he was like stronger from uh which is just a wild because he's from oklahoma you know He's from middle of nowhere. Tiger King country. Look at him now. He might

have a hand in the new North Korean regime. The other episode is a Phil Jackson episode, but they're all kind of Phil Jackson episodes. I feel like he gets cooler in my estimation. I did not come into this thinking he was very cool.

Like his, uh, his run with the Knicks was not super impressive. Uh, he was like falling asleep on the bench and shit. And like, I don't know, some of his spirituality shit seemed like kind of hokey to me,

but there's like, he grew up next to a native American reservation, like hung out with native american kids growing up and that's where his uh obsession with that kind of comes from i thought it was just like that surface level hippie shit that were people but like uh he's got interesting psychological insights into rodman and seems to be very empathetic uh he seems like a pretty good dude he's a hippie for real that part was great for real he was like doing acid yeah they that was something from the book that they didn't really

dig into that much but that he was like he uh wrote about having done acid like while he was a player in in a book uh after his career was over and like that kept him blacklisted from coaching for a while that's what jerry kraus i thought hadn't actually a pretty decent uh documentary uh decent couple episodes because like he's the only person who's willing to take a chance on phil jackson and like even that he fired phil uh not phil collins doug collins uh uh he kept phil Phil Collins on for a couple years, actually, after that. And brought on Phil Jackson when Phil Jackson was just kind of a nobody. And Phil Collins had just took them to the Eastern Conference Finals.

And then there's a good scene of him dancing badly. Oh, boy. Just humiliating himself in front of the team. That was pretty funny. Real bad dancing. Yeah. badly oh boy just humiliating himself in front of the team that's a real real bad dancing yeah jordan's eyes continue to uh be distractingly sickly looking to me i don't i don't know what's going on with him uh and that's it it somehow got worse from the first two episodes uh or maybe i'm just like now paying more attention to it that and uh horace grant

seeing horace grant for the first time was surprising horace grant looks like he is about 39 and a half years old and i cannot accept it at all he looks incredibly young it makes no sense at all he and he looks like a different person because he's like lost all his muscle definition and so he yeah it is so uncanny because it's like and now here's horse grant who is just a different person who is the same age as the person last time you saw him or like not not much older it's just very weird he looks younger to me i can't deal with it at all yeah Yeah. Yeah. Overall, though, five stars out of five, I'd say. Everybody should be watching this. Well, Mike, it's been a pleasure having you, man.

Where can people find you and follow you? Twitter at Mike underscore Eagle. And I'm really pushing my Patreon right now because I can't make any money doing anything else. make any money doing anything else so uh it's patreon.com slash open mic eagle for people who want to support and get a bunch of extra secret access facts music and all type of other stuff cool nice and uh is there a tweet or some other work as social media you've been enjoying oh i like this one tweet that says uh having a baby is like the dark souls of tamagotchi that's a lot of references in one, but I really like that a lot. Wow. That is from

Grimes. Whoa. Okay, Grimly. With the triple entendre. Yeah. Miles, where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network,

Miles of Grey. Also, my other podcast for 20 day fiance we're talking about the trash that i subsist off of 90 day fiance uh let's see a couple tweets that i like a few actually excuse me first one's from drew anderson at i'm Anderson. He tweets, these guys you're calling king don't even have a bed frame. Next one from Amelia Elizalde. It says, just got dumped and my roommate is trying to make me feel better by playing cards with me, but she just keeps winning and whispering, sorry. Sorry. And then another one, because of the last dance,

I knew this obviously had something to do with it, but this is a video from past guest Mamadou Ndaye, who was showing this moment where I believe is what you're referencing, where Dennis Rodman is envisioning tactically what he does on the court um and his caption is this is how I give directions to tourists in New York click and go back this way on here here click on that one click here and go back this way a very very confusing description of directions. So I appreciate that one. Tweet I was enjoying. Rabbit Cohen tweeted, the Furby's eyes are on the front of the head,

which implies that it's a predator. Pretty scary. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what's that going to be today? A track from Shigeto. Hey, I love Shigeto. Great producer, great, what's that going to be today? A track from Shigeto. Hey, I love Shigeto. Great producer. Great, fantastic drummer. I always knew his beats and productions, but until I saw, I think it was like a KEXP or W,

what's that station up in Seattle where they always do the really great live performances? KEXP, yeah. Yeah, KEXP. When I saw him doing tracks from his No Better Time than Now album live and playing drums. I was like, this man is in the fucking pocket. So this is a track from that album called Ringleader.

Fantastic song. Just great. Everything. Yeah, so check this one out. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. We'll talk to you guys then. Bye.

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