The Daily Zeitgeist - Police Abolition Vs 8 Can’t Wait, Wall St White Supremacy 6.9.20

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

In episode 647, Jack and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined comedian Sara June to discuss Minneapolis city council members vowing to disband their police department, how things would work with a police department, #8toAbolition versus 8 Can't Wait, Fox News' racist stock market infographic, and more!FOOTNOTES: Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move Do you or somebody you know think that #AbolishThePolice is unrealistic? It might be because you haven’t taken the time to understand what it means, the reasons for it, and why it actually makes a lot of sense. [Thread] #8toAbolition Fox News Apologizes For Infographic That Showed Stock Market Gains After Martin Luther King Assassination, Other Moments Racial Unrest The End of Policing Are Prisons Obsolete? Donation Resources WATCH: Doomtree - Slow Burn Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 137, episode two of your daily zeitgeist production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the coke brothers fuck fox news fuck rush limbaugh and oh that's new is it limbaugh or limbaugh

and fuck buck sexton have you seen that guy i don't want i don't want to look at him Have you seen that guy? I don't want to look at him Oof It's Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 My name is Jack O'Brien A.K.A. Potatoes O'Brien And I'm thrilled To be joined by my co-host

Lil Zam herself Jamie Loftus! Hi! It's nice to hear your voice. I've been listening from afar this past week. Yeah, you've been missed. But it has been a week. Yeah, Miles has taken the day

since he packed like three years worth of episodes into a single week last week. Yeah, I'm very glad. Yes, me too. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious,

the talented, Sarah June! Yo! Gotta talk low because my voice is gone. I don't have a voice anymore i'm sorry oh no it sounds good it's i don't think anyone's gonna have any trouble differentiating our voices on today's episode uh what how'd you how'd you lose your voice was there some sporting event that i wasn't aware of yeah it was a sporting event over the weekend yeah yeah it was like um one team that was like 20 000 people and then um

one team that was uh no none of those people showed up well they were i heard i heard the other team was actually undercover in the crowd oh if you saw a sign that was spelled poorly by someone looking very nervous that i heard was someone from the other team. That makes a lot of sense because I did not see anybody in a uniform over blocks and blocks and blocks. And there were sure a lot of fucking helicopters. There sure were. And those gigantic, whatchamacallits, those huge drones. Yeah, big, big drones.

I felt the presence, those huge drones. Yeah, big, big drones. Yeah, people were going nuts with the drones. Yeah, the presence of the other team was there, but you know what else was there? A lot of teenagers very happy with protest signs. I love to see that. It was great. Yeah. Were the police doing performative misspelling?

Is that a thing that they're doing? Like they're like, we're just like you guys. We're just kids riding around on their skateboards with like misspelled words. No, because cops can't ride skateboards. It's physically impossible. Easy lit mistest. They're not flexible enough to like bend their knee enough

to like push on the ground. No, their knees are all fucked up. All of them have fucked up knees and they can't. Yeah. Well, so were you guys both at protests or marches over the weekend? Yeah. Oh, yeah, baby.

Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, yeah, baby. It was good. I mean, I don't know what your experience was sarah but i i was somewhere on saturday morning i was downtown and the national guard was still fully there fully suited up the cop presence was gigantic and then uh sunday not so much yeah very interesting because i've been at stuff all last week and yeah sometimes there were more cops than people you know especially towards the ends when people were dispersing and that's kind

of the point but then at the really big one they didn't even have any lines of cops like blocking off streets or anything which was which was interesting and go figure things went just fine things went fine you know Things went fine. Yeah. It's almost like they got the sense that driving their car into crowds of people at protests of their misuse of force was a bad look. And so they went undercover. It would appear some cities still haven't quite gotten that. No, yeah. Seattle uh portland it's slow they have slow internet to y'all so they have slow internet up in seattle it hasn't yeah seattle's

like they're trying to read the email and it's just a 404 and the email says don't drive a car into a crowd of people right is that one of the eights that can't wait yeah don't drive a car into a crowd of people cops don't drive your car into a crowd of people yeah i yeah there's a lot of my my the good one the really the best eight that can't wait is uh quit your job is that's the one that i think really can't wait if you make that number one then the other seven really aren't relevant yeah then it's just one that can't wait and it's quit your fucking job if you're a cop how many cops do you think ahead of uh saturday and sunday when they were like okay well we're not gonna go like i can just picture them having

the thought that like and then all hell's gonna break loose what are you gonna do then and just and just like sitting back and watching in horror as it was like completely peaceful and they have to come to the realization that maybe they were the problem yeah yeah it is really funny to think about undercover cops walking around like with their concealed weapon just like on edge the whole time looking around looking for action. And all they see is just people handing out sandwiches and bottles of water and people with their children and stuff. The mutual aid at marches that has been organizing,

even over the course of the past week, has been so great. Yesterday, you couldn't take three steps without someone being like, do you need to hydrate? I'm like, no, like this is i've never been offered so many bottles of water in my fucking life i felt like i ate like two meals yeah it was wonderful somebody brought like 20 pizzas there were just like 20 pizzas and they were like yeah and the nice thing about the pizza is like you know everybody was being very conscious of COVID stuff where they're just like, here's an open box of pizza. Like, take one if you want. You know, they're not like touching it and handing it to you.

Right. It was very nice. And ways to participate in protests that are not necessarily, you know, running up against a line of cops are that kind of information is being spread in a way that I have never seen. Like this is like hardcore protest shit where it's like bring water, you know, and now everybody knows it. People. Yeah. In the space of a week, people have have learned how to effectively protest in almost any situation. And it's not great that people had to learn how to defend themselves against cops. But people are fucking adaptable. In the space of a week, thousands and thousands and thousands of people have learned how to protect themselves and the people around them. It's been a week.

to protect themselves and the people around them. It's been a week. I've also been pleasantly surprised as well of, at least, I mean, and it's like this, I can only speak to my own timeline really, but that people have been good about going to get COVID testing afterwards in spite of the fact like in LA that it was made almost impossible

to do. People are still doing it. And I have not, I mean, there are definitely spikes in other areas of the country, but in a lot of areas where protesters are getting tested, as long as, you know, you were, you had your hand sanitizer, you, like you were saying, sorry, you came prepared, You had your hand sanitizer. Like you were saying, Zara, you came prepared. The tests are coming back negative. That's good. I really, once again, I'm really happy to be on the side of the people who believe in germ theory

because that seems to be coming in handy. Yeah. I was watching those Buffalo police at their protest and none of them were wearing masks or social distancing or you know they were just yeah well they're they're using it you know like garcetti took the covet testing away for a couple days and that's that's fucking bioterrorism um yeah that's like a thing dictators do and uh in new york i heard um you know none of the cops are wearing masks and for people that have been arrested once they're in the van i heard about a cop like Dictators do. And in New York, I heard, you know, none of the cops are wearing masks.

And for people that have been arrested once they're in the van, I heard about a cop like pulling a guy's mask down and spitting in his face because they know that if they have COVID, they want to fucking give it to you. Right. Yeah. I mean, and the stories about people who have gotten arrested and the conditions that they're immediately subjected to, sometimes in city buses as well, it's just fucking abysmal. Do you think we should just abolish it? I don't know. I don't know. We might end up talking about that.

I don't think it sparks joy anymore. You think we should get rid of it by Marie Kondo logic now when I put my hand on a badge I'm not feeling it we're also going to talk about 8 can't wait as it compares to plans to abolish police forces we'll talk about that Fox News graphic

about how the Sp 500 go up after black bodies are killed and we'll talk about whether we're in like a new stage of msm coverage of protests where they're acknowledging the violent backlash from police well Well, we'll talk about all that, plenty more. But first, Sarju, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I recently searched to find who was the costume designer on the movie Hackers, 1995.

That movie I recently watched for the first time on VHS. You're welcome. And it was life-changing. One of the best movies I've ever seen in terms of how advanced all of the costumes are. And also, I have never screamed so much watching a movie because everything they were saying made no sense. It's like when you watch cable news and people say stuff and you're just like, what? Wait, so when you say their clothes they're wearing are advanced, what do you mean by that? Okay, so it's hard to describe,

but basically in the movie it is about, number one, Matthew Lillard's costumes in that movie are the best thing. So Matthew Lillard plays this like- Peak Lillard. Yeah, Peak Lillard, teen hacker. He's got like shoulder length hair and he's wearing it in four braids. So they're like the size of pigtails,

but there's four of them around his head. But they're not like braids braids. They're not like little braids. They're just four. He's just got four braids on his head. They're just they're not like braids braids they're not like little braids they're just four he's just got four braids on his head they're just braids they're just braids and there is another hacker who the first time you see him is wearing two separate leopard print items he's wearing a leopard print top and he's wearing leopard print pants there's a lot of chains um matthew lillard wears a lot of like really oh my god at one point matthew lillard wears a lot of like really, oh my God, at one point Matthew Lillard wears a sweater vest that is the Lou Reed Transformer sweater,

but the top is like glittery and scalloped. And he wears that and then he wears a belt that has a rag doll on it for no reason. Like connect it just hanging from it? Just on the belt. Most of Matthew Lillardillard costumes i would say in this movie weigh at least 30 pounds like yes but then he's also wearing these like paper thin paper thin tank tops a lot yeah then his pants are like extremely weighed down it's and also oh

my god angelina jolie in this movie please like She wears the coolest fucking biker jacket I've ever seen. At one point, she wears just an all white. Everybody is wearing O'Neal sport tops in this. The rash guard, she's wearing rash guards the whole movie. I mean, the tiny glasses, tiny little glasses. How old was Angelina Jolie when this movie came out oh she must be very young yeah there we did a we we for some reason did a bechdel cast on this episode i know why it was because my birthday it was my birthday and i wanted to uh but the line that always sticks

with me like there's so many corny lines, but the line that it's like, there is no right or wrong. There's only fun and boring. Yeah. Oh, wow. Hack the planet. Hack the planet, baby. And you like that because it completely defines

your generation, right? This is, yeah. Absolutely. I was shaped by this. There's one point where the main character, whose name is Dade, gets an email. A.k.a. Crash Override. Crash Override, a.k.a. Zero Cool.

He gets, so there's this FBI agent who's trying to get him to be a hacker for the FBI or whatever. And he sends Dade an email, but he doesn't just send him an email that dade reads on his computer what happens what you see is dade receives a package in the mail he signs for a package he opens the package inside the package is a tiny computer he opens the computer and there's a video of the fbi guy going hey don't you want to join the fbi and then dade is like oh fuck imagine if every, hey, don't you want to join the FBI? And then Data's like, oh, fuck.

Imagine if every time you got an email, you had to sign for a package and somebody gave you just a little computer. It's just the most retro future shit you can imagine. And it's so hard to wrap my head around because it's so different from how we actually use the internet. And yet this movie was made less than 30 years ago. That's amazing.

It's very amazing. My favorite example of movies misunderstanding the way computers function is from the year before that, Disclosure, where they use virtual reality to store files in a filing cabinet. So it's just the very basic interface of what a desktop computer does,

but they are doing it via walking down a hallway and opening a door to steal the file that is hidden there. Yes. It sounds like we're working with a similar version. Exactly. 90s Hollywood was desperately trying to take the most boring age of computers,

which was just straight up, it's like numbers on a screen. You can't really do anything. It's just gateway. But they're trying to make it visually interesting. So in all of the scenes where Data's hacking, you just get a close-up on his face and then it cuts to like a dmt sort of visual of like all these like fibonacci spirals and like uh equations floating across the screen like over and over you gotta watch it the effort i really appreciate because it's there's i think that there's in any year where there is a Googling sequence or a coding sequence, it's never fun to watch.

It's never, ever, ever fun to watch. But the fun part that – so I appreciate that they made the effort. And I also like – my favorite part of any frantic Googling sequence like especially on tv is like what word they come up with that isn't google or bing yeah they're like it's boo bull and you're just like yeah yeah we gotta gorkle this you have to what they do this a lot on riverdale where they like they replace the name with something very close but they always make the characters say it out loud. So, yeah, they're always like, we got to Borkle this. Or or there is that like phase of television that I want to say it's it's tapered off now, as far as I know.

But like in the early 2010s, there was a lot of, I think, Bing money being sunk into getting name drops on TV shows where it would be just like, I don't know. Oh my God. I don't know where it is. I guess I got to Bing it. You're like, oh, yikes. Yeah, you see people scrolling through pages of Bing results and you're like, what? What is it? Has anyone done this before?

Didn't Bing get caught for just basically using Google results also? They got Bing. They just plugged Google into their thing. That's so funny. Yikes. What's something you think is underrated, Sarju? Underrated, I would have to say community services, things like education and healthcare.

Those are strongly underrated in our city and in our city's budget. Permanent supportive housing, very underrated. Here's my Trump. Here's my good Trump. Nobody's talking about permanent supportive housing. Everybody should be talking about it. I do a terrible Trump.

I'm so sorry I subjected you to that. It's always in the tip of his tongue. Yeah. And what is something you think is overrated i think the police i think it's the cops i think it's the cops i think yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to you see because um because i scream so much i'm trying to speak in a high voice and this is what it sounds like oh there's gonna be so many people in the fucking comments being like I hate to hear your voice

yeah people are always cool when communicating how they feel about your voice on podcasts I think it's I think police are overrated in the sense that they don't really solve any of the problems

they're supposed to solve. So maybe we should try some other solutions. Yeah. I've been enjoying the threads of, I'm not enjoying is the wrong word, but it is cathartic to see the threads of blue check hot takers being like, well, what do you do if you are assaulted?

Don't you need a cop? And then it's just, like, five trillion replies of, like, here's when I tried to get support from a cop when I was assaulted. And it's like, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. It's just everybody going, like, I was raped and the police laughed at me or gave me the wrong kit

or told me to go home and take a shower or like they took the kit and then they lost it. And like, I mean, I had a fucking real blast from the past. Somebody commented on one of those threads about a person that I knew who had been murdered in their home extremely randomly by somebody who had been reported to the police as having assaulted people in their homes like the day before and it was like that was one of the most i guess impactful interactions i ever had with police i would have to say like uh you know my co-worker being beaten to death in her home by a random stranger and nothing ever coming of it and nothing ever happening of it and then them saying well it was probably this guy who killed himself a couple days later and then also a few years ago when i called the police so that they could take me to the mental

hospital so i wouldn't kill myself and then when they got there they tried to talk me out of it that was weird why would you tell somebody who says, I want to kill myself, you should stay home when they've called you for help? That was just fucking weird. Weird is the correct word for it. Yeah. I would have to say quirky. And sometimes even lady cops do it.

That's another thing that was incredibly frustrating where like when I went to like report my rape to the police, they made a big show of being like, don't worry, we're going to let you talk to a lady cop. Don't worry, we got a woman on it. And then I just got gaslighted by a lady cop

and nothing ever came of it. It's almost like being a man or a woman doesn't actually make a difference in how you deal with systemic problems in an organization like the police. Cops of all genders have failed. Honestly, they cops, quit your job. I think that there's a Twitter thread

by this woman, Bridget Eileen, that I found myself forwarding to so many people over the weekend, just where she explains away all of the fears and knee-jerk reactions people have to the idea of abolishing

the police. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Well, here's a myth. all sex dolls are normal sized it's fake did you know there are tiny sex dolls tiny sex dolls there are tiny sex dolls pack that okay never mind how but i found some porn um and uh the porn was titled bath time with my tiny sexy doll and it turns out that there are a lot of videos of guys with sex dolls that are, it's essentially a fleshlight,

but with arms and legs and a doll's head. It's made of silicone, and it's about the size of a dick. So the doll is, I would say, larger than a Barbie, but not that much larger. Honestly, I'm sorry, Jamie, but it's about the size of an American Girl doll. Oh, no, that's actually a helpful. Yeah. That's helpful to know.

Not as thick as an American Girl doll. Not as actual body size as an American Girl. It looks more like a Barbie in terms of its proportions. And the face on these dolls, not smiling. Not smiling dolls yeah so there's all these videos of guys um fucking their tiny sexy dolls um the american girls are also not smiling they're just showing their their front teeth they're like showing their front teeth yeah but these the sex dolls have this expression of like like wide-eyed, you know, a wide-eyed not smiling. It's sinister.

I'm having trouble picturing this, but if it looks anything like what I'm picturing. Why don't you give it a Google? Why don't you give it a Goog, Jamie? Why don't you Bing it? I gotta Bing it. Wait, what does this dog look like? I've gotta Bing it.

Well, that's horrible yeah it is horrible but I really encourage anybody who wants to have a bad time to watch some of these tiny sex doll videos and what I really like is that people title them the same kinds of titles that

they give to other kinds of porn like I mean I don't know. This is a family podcast on which I'm talking about pornography. But yeah, just go give them a look. They're art. They're art.

People are filming them fucking their tiny sex dolls in 4K in slow-mo. It's a whole new world, dude. Oh, God. The things that you can see. I don't like to watch porn very much. Not because I don't like to watch porn, but because so much porn actively turns me off.

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I believe it is disband. Disband. Disband. Are we clear on exactly what that means? I'm sure that the wording is being chosen very carefully. Yeah, I'm sure. And I'm still learning about everything. hopefully.

Yeah, I'm sure. And I'm still learning about everything. And they're announcing plans to do so, so it's not like... That's one thing that kind of jumped into my mind is we've seen how petulantly the police respond to any sort of criticism or any sort of protests that threaten their you know complete authoritarian position of being able to shoot people legally who don't do what they tell them to do um or even

when they do tell them well even when they do what the police tell them to do what you yeah um but the i'm just like what are the are the Minneapolis police going to, how are they going to respond? But like in the interim before this actually happens, because they have been such monsters in response to these protests. But yeah, just in general, in response to this idea, and then in response to the know the minneapolis city council actually kind of suggesting that it is something that could actually happen i saw a lot of responses there

were people you know saying what what you guys talked about in act one the idea of like well what do you do if someone comes to your house and you know sexually assaults you or murders you or robs your house? Great question. There's this thread that I was forwarding to a lot of people, but I just wanted to almost just run through the main points that I thought were useful so that people had something that they could get their mind around this concept without thinking that it's just you're asking for anarchy.

Uh, if you, if you suggest, uh, abolishing the police. So, uh, the first point is that it doesn't mean that it becomes the wild West and

like, you can just commit crimes if you want to. Uh, it's a chance to try new tactics while officially declaring the old tactics and institution officially be fucked I believe it's be fuckered

let's bing it to be sure let's bing the pronunciation on that could I get a yeah she makes the point that it's the end of policing as we know it and it's about recognizing the role that policing plays in our society right now has never been right, and we shouldn't allow it to continue to have the position that it has.

And she makes the point that almost every one of America's most pressing social issues have just been handed over to the police and been like, all right, you guys have guns and handcuffs like you. You handle it. And, you know, then she goes through these a series of examples of like the go-to people who are institution that deals with homeless people in our world in a lot of cities. Never once helped in there. I mean, it's like they're they're regularly deployed to homeless encampments to destroy them for no reason. And then. Yeah.

Yeah. reason and then yeah unreferable yeah when when parts of our society are criminalized and then just given to the police to solve when the police their whole training has been um how to escalate a violent situation uh it doesn't actually one where one doesn't exist yeah it's a lot of like what as i've been attempting to discuss this with like my family and like i know a lot of what, as I've been attempting to discuss this with my family, and I know a lot of people are doing that right now, I feel like some areas I've been able to make headway is just, first of all, yeah, I feel like a lot of boomers default to like, well, we can't have anarchy. And it's like, well, there is a plan.

If you would simply bing it, father, you would find that there's a number of plans. But just also that crime naturally decreases if you're not creating situations of desperation for people. There are so many crimes can be just made to never happen if you're providing basic services with mental health, if you're providing basic services for the unhoused. It goes on and on. Problems disappear if you have systems in place

that don't escalate them intentionally. Yeah. The place that this concept was most familiar to me was how the war on drugs being changed to more of a treatment, funding, recovery. And that is an idea that I feel like people have at least been exposed to, that instead of driving tanks through people's homes to do a drug bust, we find other ways of addressing that situation but public education uh is is a way that this manifests that i think is coming into sharper focus for me at least the idea of just you know obviously paying teachers more reducing classroom size like things that cost money and the way that i i hadn't realized how many public schools uh have like

contracts with the police to patrol the entryways and hallways and you know arrest kids the aclu had a tweet yesterday that three million students attend schools that have cops but no nurses and that's wow yeah it just intentionally escalates things and there's also been uh i mean it's it's kind of well known there's a whole website dedicated to teachers who are using their own money to buy supplies and have to like there's a i forget what sorry if you remember i don't but there's a specific like go fund me for teachers to post hey i want to provide a basic service for my students but it's not funded by the school and i can't afford it on my salary can you help and like not to mention the fact that i mean there's there's so many issues in public schools that like it starts

with the police it goes to teachers aren't paid enough. It goes to their, like, teachers aren't hired diversely enough and teachers don't reflect the communities that they're serving. And then it goes on to, like, we are still misteaching and omitting so much history that, I don't know. It's everything from the way that schools are structured to what we teach in the schools. And one thing that I found, yeah, one thing that I think is really helpful in trying to explain this to people is that when you take money away from the police and when you talk about taking money away from the police, we're not just like, yeah, give me my tax dollars back. It's about taking money away from a department that does not solve the

problems that it is supposed to solve and putting that money into other places. The less money the police have, the more money you have for education and for health care and for housing services. Because like, yeah, what is crime in Los Angeles? What is half the fucking crime in Los Angeles? It's living on the street. If you make living on the street not a crime, and if you give people living on the street places to live that are not the street, guess what? Crime goes down. You've solved the problem. You've solved the problem. If you give people who are mentally ill their resources, and instead of destroying their homes and taking their shit and taking their meds, which is what the LAPD does to homeless people, then you have a lot less problems with people on the street. Yeah.

Yeah. And if you just, I mean, provide more legal services for unhoused people as well. Like there's so many unhoused people who need to speak with legal services, and the only way they can get them is by seeking out a non-profit that serves unhoused people because the city state whatever level you're coming at it on is just not providing or deeply obscuring and underfunding programs that could actually stand to help and improve their lives there's it just i want to i want to talk about one thing that like all this sounds so obvious you know when you say it like this is like if you give people the resources that they need, crime goes down because people are not desperate and people are not being put in jail for the economic reality that they live in. set up like this. And there is a reason. The war on drugs is a very clear example. Like Jack was saying, the point of the war on drugs was not to eliminate drugs. It was to put black people in

jail. The point of criminalizing homelessness is not to criminalize homelessness. It's to put people of color and poor people in jail. It is to get them into the prison industrial system. And not only do we do that because the whole system is built on putting poor people in the system so that corporations can continue to make money off of them when they're in a private prison or whatever the fuck, but also because in this country, we're not alone here. Not to say this is simply an American problem, but we criminalize these actions and we do not provide resources because at the foundation of our moral imperative as America is if you do not work, you deserve to be in jail. The idea that people who do not work or cannot work do not deserve

resources like addiction counseling and like permanent supportive housing the idea that these kinds of things are privileges and not rights is designed to keep people outside of the system of success you know yeah i mean when you look at it a great way of putting it no no i thought that was a really great way of putting it. Yes, when we put it this way, it makes sense. The way that they're going to put it or the way that we should almost be thinking about the current status quo is the American public and the media

that they consume on a regular basis will generally put all of the things we're talking about funding they'll frame them as handouts and the the thing that we are spending the vast majority of the budget on is like you know they they won't say this but it's basically turning the local news into an action movie where the police are like a heroic force that we get to watch excitingly defend these. The myth is powerful.

The white supremacy is powerful, and it's not. I talked about how The Help was the number one trending movie on Netflix last week. And it's so powerful to believe that white supremacy only looks like Bryce Dallas Howard. And white supremacy looks like all of the things that people go to action movies to see. It looks like... i've been reading some

fucking theory and and it is i've been reading this book about it's called the protestant work ethic in the spirit of capitalism and it's good it's pretty dense but it's good and the book starts out by quoting benjamin franklin and benjamin franklin's you know he's he's got a lot of writing on this subject but it's specifically close one essay where Benjamin Franklin is like, time is money. And if you waste time, it's like wasting money. And if you invest your time, it's like investing money and you make a lot of money. Right. And this is like something I read definitely when I was in fifth grade or whatever, studying Benjamin Franklin. And what I love about this book is that it's a German philosopher and he quotes Benjamin Franklin saying this. And then he's like, OK, so this guy's a fucking pervert, right?

Like this guy's insane. Like this is a crazy way to think about human life and time. And in America, we think of that as like normal. Like, yes, time is money and money is worth and people are money. Money is worth and people are money. And if you examine that foundational thing, the idea that somebody who does not work is a waste because they are not money. And the idea that they should not be given money

because they do not generate any money. That is what is at the foundation of all. This is why the police have been tasked with solving all of these problems because we don't want to give people fucking money and shit and it turns out wow that doesn't actually work that doesn't solve those problems and there are so many people who really believe that there are humans who do not deserve to live i mean we saw this with covid where it was like wow covid is really killing old people and a lot of people were like well fuck it they don't work anyway

yeah right they're not contributing they've they've passed their time of like contra and and the only and and just making it like the one-to-one of like uh contributing to society is directly related to your ability to make money for someone else. Yes. And this is one thing that comes up a lot. I find when talking to older people about homelessness is, you know, I've, I've heard this argument from, this is also something that comes up a lot on next door. If you ever get on next door, there will always be some fucking boomer on next door being like, why do we allow the homeless in our lives? And, you know, and then someone will say, well, a lot of these people are mentally ill or physically ill or, you know, just down on their luck. You know, there's this myth of the good homeless person versus the bad homeless person.

And the bad homeless person is the one who, quote unquote, chooses to live on the street. And this is always what the boomers say to try and fucking own you. They're like, well, I've met homeless people who it was a choice. They lived on the street because they just didn't want to have a job and they didn't want anyone to tell them what to do. And they would rather live a difficult life on the street rather than get a job and get in the system. And that's supposed to fucking own you because then it's like, here's a person who has refused help, doesn't want help. My thought is I I don't give a fuck. Like, I don't fucking care if somebody has decided

to remove themselves from the system. I don't think that means that that person does not deserve resources and help. The idea that you have to be a deserving poor or a deserving immigrant or a deserving houseless person by being willing to work and being like i want to participate in this i simply cannot and all the boomer arguments are like also erase every systemic

uh yes situation that puts people on the street in the first place of people who have been in prison for usually little to no reason at all and are unable to find employment. Those people should simply vote. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Where it's like, no, this is, it's like it is all by design. Yes. Right.

And it's a powerful and effective design. Yeah, Nextdoor is a bad place. Nextdoor, Ring, all those things are really you know they're they're monetizing this underlying violent ethos of like violence that i don't want to see like i don't want it to happen in front of me i don't want to do the violence but i i want it there uh you know maintaining the status quo yeah believe belief that people should be punished for not contributing in the way that's considered societally acceptable yes yeah and uh so in that thread uh bridget eileen tweets abolishing the police is about

recognizing that every single effort at police reform has only ever resulted in reinventing the same oppression all over again. It's about recognizing that maybe we just need to start over with a clean slate. And that brings us to Eight Can't Wait, which is the sort of crooked media, Pod Save America sort of plan for addressing this. Not just them, but like that part of the population, the liberal technocratic version?

I think Pod Save the People is the podcast where many of the organizers are from. Right. So yeah, okay. So I can't wait. I first want to just shout out to all the listeners who are learning about police abolition versus reform very quickly. I've been familiar with the concept of police abolition for some time,

but I truly did not understand the granular stuff involved until the past two weeks. so shout out to everyone that is genuinely trying to get good information and wants to understand um because there's i feel like there's a lot of like zero to a hundred of like i totally get it and it's like i'm still yes definitely learning um but here are some resources and some arguments against 8 Can't Wait. So yeah, it was put together by a group of activists that go by Citizen Zero, I believe it is. Citizen Zero Cool. Citizen Zero dot cool.

And they're basically, they rolled out this plan. It was immediately endorsed by a number of celebrities. But it's the eight things that need to be done immediately to decrease police violence, they say, by 72%. I honestly am not sure where this number comes from. But for most people... Got math, Jamie? It's called math.

Bing it, honey. Should have binged it but but essentially you know for uh for many people that's not uh you know 28 too little but here are the uh eights that can't wait the first eight is uh ban chokeholds and strangleholds uh then require de-escalation uh require a warning before shooting. I think one of my least favorite of the eight that can't wait. Also the one that I think is the most widely adopted. I'm pretty sure all police have to warn you before they shoot already. That's not the issue.

That's truly not the issue. The fourth eight is require that alternatives be exhausted before shooting. Again, pretty vague. The fifth, require officers to intervene when excessive force is being used. Ban shooting at moving vehicles. Establish a force continuum. You can bring that one.

And require comprehensive reporting. The argument against this, I mean, to me, I'm very not into this plan. And there's been a number of people who have stepped up and really broken down the exact reasons why this reform plan is sort of just a rehashed version of things that have been tried already. It does not involve defunding them in really any way, shape, or form. And in fact, a lot of the reforms being suggested would end up costing more taxpayer money to do new training, to do all this stuff that has been attempted in a lot of police reform, and it doesn't work. There was a story, you you can have there there was a story i

want to remember what city it was but where a police officer assaulted the person who had given their sensitivity training like it's it's it's like it's a parody of itself so i think you know you know there's there's a lot of people who, you know, feel that implementing the eights, which cannot wait, um, will make things better in an immediate sense. And then there, uh, is another camp of thought that, um, rejects this and, uh, an abolition, a police abolitionist group put together the eight to abolition plan, um, which is a lot of what we were just talking about. It's defund the police, number one. Love that. Demilitarize communities. Remove police from schools. Free people from prisons and jails. Repeal laws criminalizing survival. Invest in community self-governance.

Provide safe housing for everyone. And invest in care, not so there there there's a lot if you are still struggling with the concept of police abolition like i totally i mean i i get it it's if you haven't considered it before it's a weird shift in your mindset right but it's huge it's really yeah yeah it's and it goes back to like something that i want to focus and talk about a lot in the future which is just the way that policing is introduced to you from the time you are like not old enough to form uh your own thoughts and ideas and like fuck going all the way to fucking paw patrol i'll do it i'll call out paw patrol but the way the police dude fuck chase chase resign chase resign i don't want your

need chase i want your badge i keep pitching this sketch at work that's like paw patrol a cab and no one votes for it because everyone's a coward uh that is such a good idea what the fuck thank you i've gotten so much rejected this week i don't know where to start i i did a show at the hideout in chicago i did a show there last year monkey wrench comedy and they had a sketch that was very good and it was brooklyn 99 a cab and uh it was just great it was like you know um the the two main cops being like well we're gonna have a competition for how many people's arms we can break while zip tying them uh and yeah it was great it was fucking great brooklyn 99 must a cat like there there was yeah it's like all cop i cannot do jamie i cannot fucking tell you how excited i am that the shit i've been yelling about for years is now something people are

actually taking seriously every time i was like paw patrol sucks fuck chase everyone's like yeah yeah yeah whatever some cops are good it's not like he has a gun on paw patrol blah blah blah and i was like doesn't matter brooklyn can't. Oh, it's so funny. I can't watch it because I can't really, I can't relax. I can't relax and act like they're not cops on this show. Well, and there's such a precedent for that. There's such a precedent for it too of like,

I mean, I want to more closely study the entire history of cop shows because they've like evolved and mutated over the course of years too where there's i mean it's like obviously the dick wolf empire is something that needs to be spoken to but even just like the buddy cop genre and making cops cute and fuzzy and giving them these home lives and like these problems and just giving them these uh good guys being protagonists and just giving them like narrative like weight in a way that victims are never i mean just the dick wolf you know extended universe alone of just the people

who appear as victims for two seconds you don't know anything about them other than here is a corpse or here is like their friend and it's just you know it those buddy cop movies like lethal weapon that you're talking about like the thing that is abnormal about these cops is that they're loose cannons like that's what's cool about them is that they can't even be held to the standards of other police when it comes to using violence. That is what I was raised on. Like that is that I rush our one rush hour to speed was on sci-fi over the weekend. And it's like an LAPD fucking infomercial recruiting thing. Like,

uh, it's, but it's, that's why like, yes, I'm glad you brought up the fact that uh you know i i am asking for patience uh as as i get my mind around and like just fucking detoxify uh you know the vast majority of media that i consumed for the entirety of my life. It's really good that people are now talking about the fact that the media that we consume shapes our ideas about things in the real world, the fictional narratives that we consume shape

our ideas, and that we have all been taught many things that we are not aware of because they were given to us in propaganda. And the fact that we were surrounded by propaganda is like, it's a very hard thing to come to terms with. And it feels really bad because it's kind of inside you. But I am so excited and so fucking thrilled that people are talking about this and acknowledging this now because you can't just,

it feels like until this point, there was just a that doesn't apply to me that doesn't that doesn't apply i'm not stupid i know stuff and it's like you don't it's not about being smart or dumb it's about being raised in a world that is trying to teach you something in order to use power in a certain way yeah yeah i i want to keep on that beat but it's it is so like it's we are starting with kids and so if you like i i would say if you're still having trouble like wrapping your head around well but some cops are good you know i think i was having a talk with my dad this weekend because we used to live like a few doors down from a cop growing up and there i'm slowly i swear to god

i'm gonna my dad's gonna be antifa by the end of this month like we're making serious progress but he his whole argument was um he doesn't really watch cop tv shows but he's just like well i don't understand like i don't think that kevin would ever do something bad but it's even if that's true which there's no way of us knowing that that is true, just because he's nice to us, his white neighbors, even if that is true, if we're going on that assumption, he knows someone who that is not true for. And on top of that, it's like you can't think of it

on an individual-to-individual basis. You have to think of what is a system they're voluntarily participating in. And if it it needs to go it fucking needs to go like fuck cat fuck officer kevin i don't know i will say i'll say this why don't you bing adrian schoolcraft if you want to find out about a good cop just being that adrian schoolcraft uh there's sounds there's a lot of things that we all need to bang and wrap our heads around. But yeah, just keep in mind that

if you are holding on to the idea of a good cop, just interrogate where does that come from? Does it come from any lived experience you've actually had or does it come from things that you have seen happen on TV or in movies? Yeah. I'm having a very weird time right now because I fortunately do not have to unlearn

any cops are bad and don't fuck with them stuff because I was not raised with the idea that cops are there to help you. And that has proven extremely useful and good in my life to actually never really depend on cops for anything and also avoid them at all costs yeah right that's been a very very helpful yeah i think a lot of white people are starting to you know like the the idea the argument being like what if somebody like there's something

suspicious happening at your house? Like, what are you going to do if they abolish the police? Like realizing that if you call the police, you're like wrong, that that is causing more problems than it's solving is something that I think people. My friend had a guy with a knife masturbating outside of her window

and she called the police and they did not arrive. That's the thing. Half the time they don't even fucking show up. Like you just fall off the radar. Yeah. If there's a violent crime and you were assaulted, what do you do? That's a great fucking question. And I would like to answer it currently.

Right. And if you're a police detective, like that's a lot of the Law & Order universe. It's the same shit. My one experience with a police detective was when I was in college and I posted a negative Yelp review about the place that I had been working because they had been sexually harassing me and been terrible. So I stopped working there and then i posted a yelp review they subsequently threatened to murder me and i lived three blocks away from the police place they or not the police place sorry the the pizza place they knew where i lived and so they were like we're gonna send someone to kill you so i was like hiding in my house terrified i didn't know what to do so it was one of the only times in my life I've contacted the cops and first of all nothing happened they

showed up at the place and they're like she's lying and they were like oh okay and then I had a follow-up call two days later with a police detective that was just literally said I hope the takeaway you get from this is that you shouldn't post stuff like that on the internet and it could really come back to haunt you and that's so you know please there's no actual what's what the fuck there's no there's very few jerry or box out there that are like achieve it's it's just it's fiction it is. And it's fiction and it's good fiction because it gets people to continue joining these institutions because they are motivated sometimes

by pure heart, you know? They want to help people and then they get into a system that's like, yeah, we don't really do that. Yeah, I was listening to an episode of a podcast I just learned about called Running From Cops, which is a, I don't know if it's an episode by episode, but it's an examination of the

live action, like cops, quote unquote, reality show. Oh, great. And there's, there's, that's another huge thing. But they interviewed police forces that were like, hey, did you see an increase in applications when this show took off? And they were like, oh, absolutely. Like there's no doubt that seeing like live action interactions,

and we don't know how, I mean, it's like, it's reality TV, who fucking knows? Perhaps there's more in the podcast. I've only listened to one episode, but that there is a marked, it's the same thing when like a Transformers movie comes out, ening in the military goes up like it's a proven system and they pay for this this is the thing is like the military pays for this because it works and the cia funds the fucking jack ryan

movies because they make the cia look cool and good and to deny that this propaganda is being given to you is just kind of naive you can say like i don't believe it but you cannot deny that that is the purpose of it yeah that's some good news i've found that uh the cia is funding uh the jack ryan movies with oh yeah what's his face jim from the office yeah oh yeah i shout out to to all the listeners that were like what's so wrong with john krasinski when i first made fun of some good news um i feel that history has redeemed me yes rather oh it absolutely has yeah i mean there's all these interviews with john krasinski going well i always thought the cia was really cool and then i got hired on this movie and i like talked to the cia guys about how they want to be portrayed

because they're so fucking cool and I always thought that they were like awesome. Fuck John Krasinski. Fuck John Krasinski. I didn't watch that show, but I listened to a podcast. I think it was Chapo Trap House did a rewatch of that show

and it opens with them being like, you know what the worst, like the biggest threat to america is venezuela because it's like left-wing stuff it's unbelievable i did voiceover work to pay for my rent one month last year and had to like recap an episode of jack ryan and it is truly like there's just like flagrant racism in the first scene and then and then we're and we're off to the races it's yeah yeah more cop propaganda he's a cia agent and the narrative that it's like the whole the cia going into central and south america and overthrowing

like instituting dictatorships to uh you know take down leaders of people who are even slightly to the left or talk about socializing land or that is the that's the whole game basically it's fucking it's red scare bullshit and it's so like for people who what's really scary about that is you know we don't learn in school about the many countries that the U.S. has overthrown. And when the only information that you have about the CIA and the Secret Service is that they protect the president and, like, are cool. And then they go into these countries and help them not be oppressed by socialism or communism. That's pretty strong. People just, you take that as reality.

When the reality actually is that a private security firm tried to overthrow Venezuela, probably funded by Trump, and they were captured by a bunch of fishermen. That's what happened. That's what really happens. That story is unbelievable. what happened that's what really happens that story is unbelievable because he bit other other uh private security places were uh saying estimating it would cost 1.5 billion and he asked for a two million dollar retainer and they were like yep okay let's go with that guy he seems

like he knows what he's doing sure does so to So to bring it back, I guess, to 8 Can't Wait versus the 8 to Abolition plans, it's important that you do your homework on it. You got to bang it. If it's an uncomfortable concept to you, challenge yourself and try to fully understand what it is. And in most of the conversations I've had so far about it with people that I honestly was not expecting to come around have been

effective. And I mean, look at Minneapolis. It is effective to have these conversations and to challenge yourself beyond the idea of expensive, historically ineffective reform measures. Yeah. One of the pieces of evidence that really put into stark relief what the problem with 8 Can't Wait is, is they gave the Tampa police a bad grade for the 8 Can't Wait. And the mayor came out and said, we actually have all eight already. So because they're all so vague,

it's impossible to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We already have the eight because we can't wait also. The Minneapolis Police Department, I believe, had five of those things as official policies. The issue is not really what is the official policy of police violence, because in the

vast majority of police violence, that's already a thing. That's already a rule they're already breaking, and they don't get prosecuted for it. It is already illegal to shoot an unarmed person on their knees in front of you. That is illegal. But they do it, and they don't go to jail because even though it's illegal if you have a da who will not prosecute then you can just fucking get away with it that's not it's not like we're not we're not starting from zero here and every police department has a da that will not prosecute like that right seems to be the lesson we've learned

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that is uh that's s&p 500 in the one week after martin luther king jr's assassination rodney king case acquittal michael brown death and ge George Floyd death, and they're all increases of more than 1%. So people were rightly outraged that Fox did that. And in the context where they were just like, and here's this information, they treated it like it was- Fun fact. This is how the market responds. Almost as if like these murders. Like they're presenting it as a pro. Right.

Yeah. And like this is just a market condition that they're like, you know, putting out there. Like it's a raising of the interest rate or something. They're just like, yeah, and look at that. But I don't know. I think it's worth looking at the fact that... I just think it's a good indication. Again, these are four data points in a sea of history of the stock market and stock market data, but I do think it's a good example of, you know, how the stock market is a white supremacist institution inherently.

And this doesn't surprise me in the least bit. And like, if this information were being presented by a leftist organization, I would think it was actually a really good point to bring forward that the stock market is at least a reflection of our white supremacist culture and also actively thrives on the white supremacist ideals that you know make america possible and that are being uh enforced in all of these cases yeah i mean provided that fox news checked their facts on this which i never trust them to do but but if this is i mean I think that we've seen as recently, like, as recently as coronavirus as well, that things that impact society and impact black people, impact poor people negatively, increase, like, there's a positive effect in the white supremacist powers that be. Like, that, unfortunately, like, like it's like it's not surprising

to see these numbers at all it's fucking disgusting but it's not surprising trump is our first openly white supremacist uh leader of the past 50 years and like since we were supposed to, supposedly, against that sort of thing, and the stock market has just reached its peak and continued to hit new highs since he came into office. So it's, I don't know. I put nothing past this network, but just like presenting this as a positive is just so. Just fucking gross. Well, it's just like if if the stock market rises when black people die, there's a very that's a correlation, you know,'s, I would say that that means that the stock market is bad.

Yeah. Brave alert. Hey, you said it. You said it, not me. I said it. Not me. Stock market might be a bad system. Yeah.

Might not be serving really many people at all. Yeah. I don't know if the huge capital-owning firms that provide predatory home loans to Black people might actually not have their interests in mind. Right. Almost. Almost as if. Almost as if.

And you know, this is a crazy thing to say. This is a crazy thing to say. But I think George Bush doesn't care about Black people. I think about that every fucking day now i was just thinking about that every day because every every time something happens in the news and people wow this is crazy like how could this be i just think george bush doesn't care about black people that's what's at the heart of it trump doesn't care about black people fucking eric garcetti doesn't care about black people. That's what's at the heart of it. Trump doesn't care about black people. Fucking Eric Garcetti doesn't care about black people. Like,

because if they fucking care about black people, these institutions would not be standing the way they are standing. It's because people either don't care about black people or actively want them to be fucking eliminated depending on who your neighbors are, you know? And not just keeping them standing, like defending them to the absolute death and plowing anyone out of the way like it's just yeah as systems that are objective as like this is a

place you know the whole like the black capitalist thing well you know right um well sorry june it's been a pleasure having you thank you for uh working through your uh demolished voice and uh sorry to make more jokes no it's been a weird week it's been a weird couple weeks yeah um where can people find you and follow you you can find me at hey sorry june.com that's my website and i'll be putting some videos up um and and that's it you know uh look around online find some good stuff oh you know what i will give a little plug um the end of policing is a book by alex vitalale, and it is free right now on Verso, and it is a great book. And if you have questions and you were, I've had a lot, I've had a lot of white friends ask me for resources in the past week. So I am sending out resources. Very good to read about this stuff.

Figure out for yourself what you think about it. You know, you don't just have to take my fucking word for it, but The End of Policing is free it a read it's not theory it's not dense it's it's a good book and it's like it's readable i i will say i hate when people ask for resources and then somebody's like why don't you read it all and it's like i'm not gonna fucking read capital i have a job it's just kidding i actually don't have a job and i would love it if you guys would venmo me money there's also there's been hey sorry june on venmo there's free copies of uh angela davis's our prisons obsolete i can link that um yes please as well but yeah there's a free pdf circulating of our prisons obsolete another short to the point book that I read over the weekend. And it's also just like a great moment to be talking about and remembering Angela Davis.

Yes, she's alive. She is alive and well and still speaking to this issue. Like it's, yeah. And I don't know. I was having a talk with a friend of like, I didn't learn about Angela Davis in school. Like I didn't. I didn't either.

I learned about her from 13th't either yeah it's fucking uh insane i was in my 30s for people who don't read that's fine you can watch black power mixtape 1965 to 1972 uh i watched that movie when it came out that was when i found out about angela davis and it definitely changed my life so it's it's a really really good movie there's great great archival footage the soundtrack's fucking bonkers it's great 13th is free to watch on youtube right now as well like there's truly the resources are there all you have to do is bang it bang it baby bang it honey um sorry june i asked I forgot to ask you if there was a tweet or some other active social media you've been enjoying oh there are so many tweets that I like um I will say uh you know I just I don't know what accounts they are but there are so many tweets that are threads of um

there are threads that are videos of police brutalizing protesters which you can watch if you have anybody in your life who does not believe that that happens there are also threads of racists getting punched that are really good some of them are staged some of them are not but you can really learn how to throw a punch from these videos um so yeah just you know videos on twitter that's the shit it really was like for a while until those cops pushed that old man down in buffalo uh it was like the only place we were getting to see police brutality uh was on on social media and then then I feel like that video hit

and then they were like, all right, I guess we should probably stop abusing these people who are... Yeah. Yeah. As horrible and unconscionable as that was, it was frustrating and telling to see the people that all of a sudden came around

when it was an old white guy who was put in harm's way. Jamie, did I ask you if there was a tweet or some other work on social media you've been enjoying? Not yet, no. May I ask you that? You may. Thank you for asking for consent, Jack O'Brien. Yeah, I mean, it was so nice talking to everybody today. It is very, I don't know, it's bizarre getting to, I don't, does that make sense? It's bizarre as people are like letting BLM leave their newsfeed and they're going back

to talking about things that we were talking about two weeks ago and going back to talking about quarantine and coronavirus. It's all very, I just want to remind everyone to set themselves up for a long game and it's if it's leaving your feed um you know ask yourself why why is that is it the people you're following are not paying attention to it and if you feel like i just i just want people to keep interrogating themselves and making themselves uncomfortable, talking to their families. It's not just one discussion.

It's a long game. And if you don't understand and you're still fucking up, you have to keep at it. That's the whole point. And also, if you have been donating, set up recurring donations. That's one way that I just... And also, if you have been donating, set up recurring donations. That's one way that I just, like, I'm stupid and I let things leave my mind sometimes.

So I just set up a number of recurring donations. You don't even need to think about it. And so keep giving to bail funds. Also, give to Black Mental Health Services is another great place to give. I've been, I set up a recurring donation with Beam. I'll link that too. Anyways,

the tweet I would like to shout out is from Brody Reed, the greatest. He, he, there's been that graphic circulating around of the pyramid

where there's overt white supremacy and there's covert white supremacy. Genuinely a good graphic, but Brody edited it and added other things to covert white supremacy, including disrespecting black cosplayers, saying OJ did it even though he did. Specifically Robert Downey Jr. doing blackface. British actors doing American accents.

Assuming we didn't have a scene phase in high school. It's just really... Dissing Kenan Thompson. It's just really funny. It's great. And everyone should follow Brody at A.O. GroGro if you're not already. He's the best. At Internet Hippo tweeted,

Progressives are fragile weenies. Do you need a safe space? Lol. Protests begin. My god, please call the United States military. Which I think is a good summary of the past week. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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