The Daily Zeitgeist - Poop Party At The Pentagon! Nathan, Do Capitalism Next! 05.29.25

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

In episode 1871, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of One of Us with Fin and Chris, Chris Renfro, to discuss… Pete’s Pentagon - Cocaine, Illegal Wire Taps and HUGE Sh*ts, Nathan Fielder Probably Isn’t Going to Improve Aviation Safety After All and more! White House stunned as Hegseth inquiry brings up illegal wiretap claims Vicious interpersonal conflicts among Hegseth staff cloud leak investigation Can a Comedian Reform Aviation Safety? Can Nathan Fielder Save You From Dying in a Plane Crash? Nathan Fielder Ended “The Rehearsal” With His Most Deranged Stunt Yet Pilots React to The Rehearsal Boeing Agrees to Plead Guilty to Felony in Deal With Justice Department Could Nathan Fielder’s Scheme to Prevent Airline Crashes Actually Work? The Collision At Tenerife How speaking up can save lives ‘You do not cross them’: Hierarchy and emotion in doctors' narratives of power relations in specialist training Hierarchy and medical error: speaking up when witnessing an error. Aviation Industry Scandals: Capitalism Makes Air Travel Deadly Airline Pilots Demand Higher Wages and Better Treatment LISTEN: Diagonals by Stereo LabSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How difficult is it to get the mustache to do what it do right now, Chris? Well, I like hurriedly ran out of the shower and put it together. So, but I've been training it for I was doing a show where I had this. Just wants to do that now. Yeah. Now I just want now it's like more of a hassle to make it not do this. No, interesting. Cause I, if I put an effort, I can do that right now, but I need a little bit.

It's kind of like, uh, it's like a muscle. It doesn't, the, the, it doesn't stay flexed. It just kind of limps over at some point. So you got to focus for like 15 minutes and flex really hard. Yeah. You must have really hard. And then it goes, just really straight in front of a mirror.

I got my like the hair and makeup person on the show gave me the stuff that essentially turns into like cement. And I use that for like a week. And now it just wants to do this. Incredible. Like even after washing. Or is it just, it's not washing out. It's like still there.

It's like, I'm pretty sure it's super glue. It's like, it's fully stuck. There's also Legos stuck in it for some reason. I can't, my facial hair looks like shit. You know what I mean? I couldn't even be in a story about somebody who has no facial hair. And he does this every time to try and fish for compliment

to get people to say, no, it actually looks good, Miles. It looks so bad. There's something there, I swear. I'm looking and not even that, I'm not even looking that hard. No, no, hold on, hold on. Come on, baby, bring your face a little bit closer. Let me take a look at that. Oh yeah, baby, you got something. You got something. Don't worry about that. I mean, it's crazy that I can grow hair like this. I'm Asian, like this should not be possible. Yeah, I'm black and Asian and I'm like fucking, the beard, the beard game on my black side

is fucking strong. And then I look at all my like Asian family members, everybody just has like shin hair. That's the only place where they grow hair. It's on their shins. Shin hair only. Shin hair only. Yeah.

And it was cool when I was like in high school, I remember all the girls were like, Oh, look at your arms. They're so smooth. I'll be all self-conscious and shit. And I'm like, man, you know, I'm still a dude though. You know what I mean? And then later on I'm like, no, they like that. They like that.

But then I see your shins. Yeah. Then they're like your mind. Yeah. Pick one spot. As well. Yeah. You fifth grade centaur.

Shin sentaur. Only the shins are an animal. Yeah. I love that band on Spotify. Your favorite band is the shins. Shin centaur fucking rules. This is an iHeart Podcast. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here.

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hello the internet and welcome to season 390, episode three of Dirt Island is on EYES EYE GUYS! It's a production of iHeartRadio, it's a podcast where you take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and it's Thursday May 29th 2025. Oh yeah, what's that? Oh yeah. Oh it's National 529 Day. You know you got that college savings foundation account thing. 529.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to anybody who has children that they want them to go to college and try and save the money. I'm working 529. Oh, that's a pretty good shit. My hours are pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Four hours?

Yeah, that's pretty great. Make sure I have hours. I oversee an after school program. Oh, okay, great, great. Also, it's National Cook Au Bon Day for all y'all French cooking fanatics out there And also national paperclip day shout out Clippy the old Microsoft fun character and all paper clips, you know what I mean? He's gone pretty dark now. He's like I got a Manasphere podcast. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I remember ever since somebody used Clippy as a roach clip. It was all downhill from there He was he just claims that the reason he is no longer used was because everybody got too woke on him

He was useless They're gonna try and bring his ass back with AI I guarantee it Oh, yeah, I mean, this is the all AI is like a new version of Clippy being imposed on all of us. Yeah, like sloppy mustard guy. Did you see, did someone post it on blue sky? Like this like AI, like there's all these AI chat bots and one's called sloppy mustard guy. And it's an AI image of someone with mustard all over them.

And the first thing they'll say is like, oh no, the mustard is everywhere. And that's- Oh yeah, I kinda like that. Not gonna lie. I'm kind of like a slobby mustard guy. My name is Jack O'Brien. Okay. Don't deplane without me. Not warning you in the future. Time you straighten right out. Straighten right out, uh, now I'm mushing your face. Oh. Manuel, a message to you, Manuel. That one courtesy of Snarfula in reference to the face mush

heard around the world. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Wow, just a, it was just a playful mush. That's a playful mush, you know, where I had a very serious face and I was kind of like, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? Playful, playful, playful.

Oh my God. Anyways. Stop, teacher, stop. I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Yes, it's Miles Gray in and out of the hospital because I have a new career as a respiratory therapist and registered nurse.

It's Miles Gray. Shout out to the career as a respiratory therapist and registered nurse, it's miles gray. Shout out to people who are checking in and be like, Hey, are you okay? Is everything okay? Yes. Everything's okay. Just take care of my mom. She was great. Doing great.

Doing great every day better. But when you are in your late seventies and that pneumonia hits baby girl, baby girl, pneumonia hit different. Yeah. They hit that pneumonia hit different. Yeah, they hit that shit hit different. As they say. As the kids say. You know, that pneumonia hit different when you got past 75. Well, I'm so happy to hear she's doing better. True ledge.

Yes. Yes. Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by a very funny actor, writer, comedian, sound designer, who you've seen on Broadway. Yeah. Oh, Mary, if you're very fortunate and were able to get a ticket. Basically the hottest Broadway performance

of the past number of years. It's like one of the few times you can say the hottest ticket in town. The hottest ticket in town. It's the hottest ticket in town. Including the Knicks and they're in the Eastern Conference. Yeah. Yeah. You've seen them on TV and everything from Queer as Folk to Brooklyn Nine-Nine, their

award-winning podcast. One of us with Finn and Chris, please welcome Chris Renfro. Chris. What up cuties? Hey, thank you. Chris, what you think about my facial hair, Chris? It's hot. It's doing it for me. Oh, thank you. I told facial hair, Chris? I think it's hot. It's doing it for me.

Thank you. I told you, Jack. I told you. Chris, one of the smartest people we've had on the show. It is crazy that you guys are both very attractive. And I don't know why I, maybe it's that I assume that people do radio and podcasts and such eat they have a face for radio But both of you do have a face for a magazine, you know what? I mean Wow

And voices and personalities for a magazine as well But maybe if this was just like still you were kind of looking off into the middle distance. Like, I'm here to solve this. Contains to do what you guys have been doing is bad. You've made bad career decisions. It's not what you should be doing. Ooh, yeah, this was a miss. This was a miss.

Thank you. That's a fumble. I can turn any compliment right around into some manner of like, existentially damaging feedback. You're gonna be thinking about it all week. Yeah. Fucked up, I should have been a magazine model.

I should have been a magazine. I should have been a goddamn magazine, I told you. Get mad at Miles. Fucking told you I should have been a magazine, man. This should have been a scene, dude. This should have been a fucking scene. We had a sliding door situation three and a half years ago where I could have done radio or B magazine and you fucked it.

Crazy thing is, I left, I left Condé Nast literal magazine. Yeah. To be just to do that. Man. Ah, Chris, where were you eight years ago? And I left my first job out of school. Uh, after being a pool boy and a butler was ABC news, uh, working for a show that was categorized as a news magazine. It was like their much worse version of 60 Minutes.

All right. Let's just split the difference and we'll just go MAGA. There we go. Drop the zine. That's what I meant. You both are giving MAGA. I'm sorry. You'd be attractive for backwards fascists. That's what I meant. Yeah. Have that vibe. We just need to get the haircut, the hairstyle.

I have no hair to speak of. So you got it. You look great in a wig. I will say. I could rock the fuck out of wig. Yeah, my wig game. I know that's always Lauren's first question. How do I do it?

How are you with wigs? Woo! This man, how are they work? I'm Chris. We did spend the first 30 seconds of the call just being taken aback by everything that you have going on in your Zoom window. The background is beautifully appointed, looks like a Wes Anderson shot. The vest, the background is beautifully appointed, looks like a Wes Anderson shot. The vest, the facial hair, everything is looking incredible.

This is not a show where we usually compliment one another's appearances. We're quite hostile. In this case, it's overwhelming. Yeah. No, thank you. It's a nice way to start my day. Let's kiss. Let's all start kissing and everybody start kissing. Well, we're thrilled to have you.

We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things that we're talking about a little bit later on. We're going to check in with the Pentagon. There was word that Pete Hegseth was on his way out. His dismissal was imminent. Uh, he has hung around and it sounds like things are going good. Uh, Miles has her report from the frontline. Oh, yep. As good as it can be. Pretty good.

And we might even get to the Nathan for you or sorry, the rehearsal finale, which, you know, I think if anybody, Chris, did you watch the rehearsal? Yeah, I just watched the finale yesterday actually, and I need to talk to someone about it. I need to talk to someone. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are in that boat, on that plane with you. We'll talk about it.

It was a lot of fun. Miles has not watched the finale. Well, it's spoil it. It's been spoiled. It's been spoiled. It's been spoiled. It's been spoiled. But yeah, we'll talk about it. All that plenty more. But first, Miles, Chris, Miles, we like to ask our guest, Chris. Yes, we do. Chris, what's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

Oh, wait, that's the one thing that I didn't do. Hold, hold, hold. That's great. And we love it when you're unprepared for this Ooh, wait, that's the one thing that I didn't do. Hold, hold, hold. That's great. And we love when you're unprepared for this one because then we get the truth. Y'all Chris was so prepared up until this moment. I did all the other things. Had the recording going, the background immaculate. Okay. So a lot of it is just like online shopping, to be honest.

I have my health plan and 401k. Okay. Hell yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Re-signing up for AMC Stubbs. I wish there was like anything interesting.

Oh, and I have three searches for Aaron Tveit and three other searches for Devin Sawa. Oh, wow. Wait, why? What's going on with Sawa? I think that I was trying to figure out and three other searches for Devin Sawa. Oh, wow. Wait, what's going on with Sawa? I think that I was trying to explain to my best friend, Finn Argus. I co-host a podcast with them, One of Us, and I was trying to talk. Oh, yeah, Final Destination. I was trying to talk about, explain like the Final Destination series

and who Devon Salwa was. But they're incredibly young and they just don't know things. Like we have a vast chasm of, not political knowledge, yes, political knowledge also, but pop culture. Like our pop culture references are just, it's like we're speaking Spanish and Chinese to each other. We just do not understand one another.

So often, I'll have to bring up pictures of like Devin Sawa, or the original cast of Charmed, and she'll have to show me who Olivia Rodrigo is. I'm just like, I don't know what that is. I know of this Olivia. This is. And I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know what that, what's going on with that. I know of this Olivia. This is violence to me. You're bringing up Olivia Rodrigo.

You trying to make me feel like shit right now? Is that where you're bringing up Olivia Rodrigo? I don't know. I mean, yeah. We have a seven year age gap. So like I, it's the best way for me to constantly feel out of touch. Sure, sure, Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. And saw a very iconic recognizable face, but I'm realizing it's, I think, mainly the first final destination, it's I guess also slackers. They were in slackers. Yeah. But for me, it's little giants. It's Casper. Casper. Yes. You know, what's the. It's Casper. Casper. Yes. What's the other one?

Casper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was in Casper. That might solve it. He was the heartthrob, right? He was Casper on screen.

Which is, in a way, the heartthrob. Yeah. But like, yeah, it's Casper. Yeah. But I just remember once Little Giants came out and then he was on every teen pop magazine at the time. And like, I remember all the girls cutting pictures out of Devon saw one. I was like, all right, bro.

I think that's where it is. Yeah. Who were your heartthrobs growing up? Like who were you looking up to? Like, like who did I, like what male did I want to be like, or who, like who was a lady I was lusting after? Uh, g me both. Tyra Banks.

When she, once she got on Fresh Prince, I fucking lost my mind. Uh, I thought you were saying the Tyra Banks, when she puts on a mustache and like goes undercover figure that you were talking about, didn't she do that? I don't like her. She did that. And then she went out in public, like in a fat suit. She's like, I'm going to spend three hours living the worst experience any human could possibly experience. I see a hot model. Yes.

Yeah. Walking straight into doors, expecting them to be opened. Absolutely. Yeah. I was just absolutely loved with Tyra Banks. And then to the same end, Will Smith at the time as a kid, I was trying to be Will Smith also. Funnily enough, those are those are two people I looked up to also for very opposite. It's right there. They're at the crossroads of everybody's like sort of personality formation, I feel like, if you're a certain age. Yeah, I was Paul Abdul and because of the Cold-Hearted Snake video. And I was really into Bruce Willis movies because I saw Die Hard when I was too young. And so Bruce Willis movies were my favorite

genres movies. So I thought Bruce Willis was cool. That's where you see Jack and I's age difference. That's right Also was very into those two for again very opposite reasons, what's your favorite Bruce Willis moment? My favorite Bruce Willis moment is guest starring on friends as Rachel's love interest. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Mm-hmm. It's bringing that Bruce Willis energy no matter where he is. Yeah Yeah, I don't know if I've watched many movies with Bruce Willis in them. He simply must. I really know him as his star turn as a recurring guest star on Friends. That's great. If honestly, leave Bruce Willis there in your mind.

That's fine. Don't look into that stuff. That'll be fine. Yeah. Really the diehard films and a movie called The Last Boy Scout. But then there was also one that was for the real heads called Hudson Hawk that was known as his most disastrous film. Everyone was like, oh, he was on a heater and just went way too far. it's like all like, he's completely rewritten the script and hit with his weird sense of humor. And like the way that him as a cat burglar and his friend time

their burglaries is singing little like jazz standards. None of the words that are coming out of your mouth right now, Jack, makes sense to me. Exactly. And that's Hudson Hawk. And I loved it. I was like, I'm going to go to the video store and rent Hudson Hawk again. Okay.

I'm looking that up. Bruce Willis, like wanted to be a singer, like the secret to his success, the way that he like always communicated, like being sort of annoyed was that he was actually annoyed to be there because he never he thought that he missed his true calling and he should have been a blues singer. Yeah. Well, that's why I had a theme of this pod. Exactly.

Missed callings. Missed callings. Yeah. Could have been a magazine. So annoyed to be doing this podcast. Same. I could have been a fucking. I should be getting hair and makeup all day. What is something that you think is underrated, Chris?

The thing that I think that is underrated is the Netflix TV show, The Devil's Plan. I'm obsessed with this. They're out on season two right now. And me and my ex, Elia, we watched the first season together and became really obsessed. Then the second season came out a couple months ago, and we've been binge watching this show. It's just a series of games. But what is fun for us is that

the rules to each game are so convoluted and long. They genuinely take 20 minutes out of each episode to explain you the new rules set and we love it. We're like, ah, this is so complicated. It does not make sense. Uh, it's, it's overly verbose. It's fun. It's so fun.

It's just trying to figure out. It's a Korean show. It's a Korean show. Yes. Reality game show. Nice. Wow. I have enjoyed some, that was the one that was different sort of physical fitness.

Physical 100. Physical 100. That shit was, I loved that show. I watched all seasons of that. Yeah. Yeah. They also have something called a core culinary class wars where they pit a hundred chefs from different classes against each other.

Very obsessed with the 100 model. Yeah. Yeah. That's really a cool idea. You know what's up next? 100 men versus gorilla. That's right. It's been four tools.

That's a good idea, like chefs who make street food versus chefs who work at high dining. Yeah. What a great concept. I was obsessed with the Food Network growing up. That was my version of an escape growing up in Riverside, California, almost middle of nowhere. But just watching Anthony Bourdain go around and try street food or drive-ins, diners, and dives,

is that the correct series of words? Triple D. Might not be the right order, but that's the, I believe that's everything. It was DDD. We call that triple D. I love that triple D, baby. Tell them, tell them.

I need at least three Ds. Hell yeah. What is something you think's overrated? What do I think is overrated? In and out. I just do not get it. Is that too niche for California people? It is our most common overrated. What do I think is overrated? In and out. I just do not get it. Is that too niche for it's not too niche? It is our most common overrated. Oh come on. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Basic alert, basic alert, basic alert, basic alert.

Okay, wait, I want to change mine to basic human rights. Yikes. Our least common. Nobody thinks that's our... Wait, so what's your, I mean, you said, are you from Riverside? I'm from Riverside, yeah. Yeah, okay, so growing up SoCal, we know in and out, it's whatever. It's, I think for people who come from outside of California,

it's like, ah! And fine, go ahead. Find yourself like a baker's, find yourself like a... A Culver's's if you will. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay, I got it. Nobody has real jobs anymore, become a candlestick maker, become a blacksmith.

Giving Bill Maher, this is great. But what for you, what's the part about in and out that to use like whatever, just the whole thing? The whole experience, it's like the fries are not good unless you tell them to make them well done. It's like, okay, I shouldn't be telling you to cook the fries. I think that's a given in the ordering process. The fact that they just outright refuse to have bacon.

It's like, this is a, this is a burger, not a test. Yeah. Put bacon on it. And then just the long lines of it all. I'm not, I'm not really interested. Lines are overrated. Yeah. Right.

Not all. Let me cut to the point. We do love a line and just humans will, will just go wait in a line. There's so many lines all over Los Angeles. In and out. Yeah. We just, the best thing you can do for your restaurant is have just incredibly shitty service. Yeah. Or just completely under best thing you can do for your restaurant is have just incredibly shitty service. Yeah.

Or just completely understaffed your place. So there's a line out the door. But then it has to be good enough that someone's like, yeah, fuck it. I'll wait 15 minutes for this Turkish coffee. That's the new spot I see in the Valley. There's a Turkish coffee spot has a door, a fucking line out the door every morning. Turkish coffee. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Ooh, I can get up on that. Pickles or whatever. What was the latest fancy little foodie trend? Sardines, I feel like. Oh, like tin fish? Tin fish was a big one. Oh, yeah.

It felt like I saw that at every wine bar that I went to. Yeah, every wine was like, and we also have an amazing tin fish selection. I'm like, I didn't come here to eat canned food for From the 1970s and I get like, because what they do is like, you know, like this shit people do in Europe, like we Upcharge you up charge the fuck out of that for you to do that in a restaurant They're like, here's a loose baguette in three Kansas Ardennes I

Will say most of the people who say in and outs over Raider, usually people coming from outside, they've like heard about it. They've traveled with like in and out in mind and they don't like it. So to have somebody who is from the home of in and out to just be like, nah, it's not good is, is pretty new. I will say. Thank you for making me feel better. I've been racking my brain trying to think of something else now.

I guess TikTok is overrated. Corona, the city of, the circle city is fucking overrated. Where did you grow up? I grew up in the valley here, but I know Southern California very well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Enough to call Corona the circle city. To the degree that Miles gets his in and out fries medium rare.

Yeah. He says, don't, don't do them too well. That's not a joke, Chris. I get them light. He likes mushy ass fries. You asked them, don't even cook it. I said, bro, just- The joke amount that you try to cook it in the first place.

Just put that potato through the slicer and just kind of throw some oil. In my mouth. Just kidding. Hey, how much to put my mouth underneath the fry cutter. Yeah. Let me just drink that salty brine water. I'll put the slicer in my mouth. I'll wrap my lips around it. You just shove the fucking potato right in. This is for my OF, man.

It's the thing. My followers, anyway, let me get my mouth on that thing. You put the slicer in your mouth and then slam your face down on the table on top of it. You guys into mukbang? ASMR mukbang? I mean, I'm not into it, but I'm always amazed to see the person eat the amount of food that's in front of them. That part, I'm like, you really ate 20 fucking chicken sandwiches like that?

How? Sometimes it's spooky the amount that the people eat. Yeah, yeah. But for me, overall, no, I'm not like, I'm not one of those people who like, I'm into seeing that or them like scratching their nails on the crispy chicken. I mean, like, okay, just eat whatever. Do you? This ain't for me. I didn't know those two overlapped ASMR and Mukbang.

Oh, people will do shit with the food too. Mukbang is under the umbrella of ASMR. Oh, it is. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. It's like under the umbrella of ASMR. Interesting. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's like a, it's a subsection of. Right. It would be. So there's like some sensory experience

that they're getting out of watching people devour like a whole punch bowl of ramen. Yeah, or to eat five Chipotle burritos in a row. Yeah. One time I saw somebody ingest five entire octopus tentacles. And I thought that was rad. That's raw or cooked.

Were they still squirming? Yeah. They were, they were thick. I'll tell them. Oh, whoop, tell them. Whoop, tell them. How thick? Were they cooked?

Or were they, were they were like, they were were purple and like rigid like a full on they were like They seem like at most they may have been boiled right right like a parboiled blanched even Okay, go off top. Call me Blanche Dubois. I'm up in it All right, let's take a quick break we'll be right back we'll get into some news That involves cocaine. Have you guys heard about this stuff cocaine? A hot quick break. We'll be right back. We'll get into some news that involves cocaine. Have you guys heard about this stuff? Cocaine. The hot nutrient. We'll be right back. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here. Diddy's former protege, television personality, platinum-selling

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And we're back. And let's talk about Pete, Pete Hegseth. Yeah. I hired Pete Hegseth. Yeah, as they call him the DUI hire Pete Hegseth kept its slightly lower profiles and saw the Signalgate controversies over the last few months. Or people like you're using apps that people used to buy psychedelic mushrooms with. You're doing like trade, like national security secret talking on there. Oh, that's bad. You know, then he said the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the mushrooms with, you're doing like trade, like national security secrets,

talking on there, oh, that's bad. You know, then he said, the president is backing me, everything is under control, it's just the leakers, it's a bunch of leakers with people that are aggrieved that need to get sorted out. Well, the last month or so has been pretty chaotic for the Pentagon because Hegseth fired a fuckton of people working for him for reasons that are not that clear.

Like he claims it's that they are leakers of sensitive information and like, you know, and that's why they had to go while others say he's just completely lost his ability to manage the situation. And the quote sensitive information is people just telling the press how much of a shit show it is at the Pentagon. Nothing to do with like sensitive military plans. He's like, don't fucking tell them this is a drunk ass shit show in here. Right.

Fucking stock it off. His chief of staff, Joe Casper, had to quit after reports of him being shitty to military personnel. And also just generally like he loves to talk about how big his shits are. This is from the Guardian Court sources also described more erratic behavior by Casper, such as him describing a bowel movement in a business meeting. Quote, can I just tell everyone around this table that I just took an enormous shit right before coming in here? Casper allegedly replied, no, you may not.

And why would you think you could? Also, you should warn us rather than just baking in the thing that we may resist wanting to hear. Can I just say the thing you might not want to hear and then tell me if you want to hear less? Yeah, somebody was like, yeah, you can tell us. And I'd be like, go on. Oh, okay. It sounds like all of the dudes that I hung out with in high school. It sounds like it's very much that I hung out with in high school. Yeah. It sounds like it's very high school vibes.

Yeah. Yeah. Also the way that you say leakers, it, it feels like a slur. Yeah. To him in the, within the panic, like I'm sure it is. Yeah. God, all those fricking leakers. A bunch of leakers everywhere.

It's like, they've got such shitty, like they are inventing new slurs on a daily basis and one of the ones they've recently come up with is panicans, which are American and panic, people who are panicking mixed together. But it sucks. It's just like a bad word that, but like not a bad word as like, Ooh, naughty. Like your word that you've come up with sucks. Shit. Jack, Psobiak. It's not good. Yeah. It's called having your eyes open and realizing what the consequences are going to be of everything. Maybe they would be better at coming up with

new slurs if they bothered to take an art or poetry class. That would require them opening up to a little bit more empathy, I'm afraid, and I think therein lies one of the big problems with their creativity. But also... Empathicans. These fucking empathicans. Damn empathicans.

Need to go, go to South Sudan. Freaking empathicot. Yeah. Here's my hot take. I think that like, if these people did genuinely did the work to make us all equal, then they could say slurs and they wouldn't have to try to invent these things. If we were all paid equally and we're on same social equal footing or whatnot, it actually wouldn't be bad if they said the F slur.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I would be like, yeah, go ahead, sing the whole chorus of gold digger uncensored. Go ahead. And that is all they're looking for. That's all they want. That's all they want. Cause they're tired of saying she, she don't looking for no broke broke.

You know what I mean? They want to finish the damn sentence. Not fair. God damn it. Yeah. When you see that, when you see the chats on Reddit, like that is always what it comes back to. Yeah. Why can't I say it?

They use it all the time. They say it in their songs. Oh my God. Anyway, look up hegemony. Don't even look up hegemony. Fuck it. Yeah, just go get your ass beat or something. So one of the other ousted advisors also implied that Casper that former the his former deputy staff also likes to dabble in the Disco fuel as well like messily calling around like so would get out like do you know anything about him doing cocaine and like so Then that got out that this guy was asking about Casper's cocaine use of you were like, this is a mess Then wait who was asking like the guy does cocaine was like, do you know

about my cocaine? No, no, no, no, no. One of the one of the ousted like advisors that Hexeth fired because he didn't fire this guy, Joe Casper, the big shit taker, because that was like his boy. So then to undermine him, the others, this other person is getting messy. Like, do you know, like Joe Casper was like hitting that blow cane like this fucking 88 or what? I don't know. Anyway, friendly ghost. Let me know. Yeah, and it ain't the mattress fan doing that. So then things again, got a little bit more sour because the White House basically inserted

themselves to like it like in all the Pentagon firings because they just had to prevent the clown show from going further down the drain. One advisor asked Hegseth's lawyer, Hegseth's personal lawyer who he brought onto the Pentagon was tasked with finding the leaker of like, you know, a military plan about the Panama Canal. But really he was tasked with figuring out who is leaking, like talking all that shit to the press.

And when the White House said, how did you come to believe that it was his like the fire deputy chief of staff, his lawyer basically let it slip that they used an illegal NSA wiretap on the guy. And then the White House advisor was like, hold the fuck up. Are you telling me you hold on, you cannot have the fucking NSA spying on the Department of Defense. Like that is beyond like even for us, like that's just we don't what are you fucking talking about? And when he realized how fucked up it was, the lawyer was like, actually, I think like, um, I

overheard it from another person. And it wasn't actually the NSA like wiretap that was done without a warrant. That has yet to be resolved. So right now, this is everything that's swirling around. They're spying on each other, they're taking big shits, and they're getting messy about cocaine use. They're so proud of their big shits. Like Trump has bragged about that too. I don't know why.

Why is taking a big shit like he's like, yo, look what I can get up out of my body. I've talked about this before. There is something like Primal and like with little boys. Again, these are children. Like I, my dad and his older brother used to save their shits to like compare them to one another's big shits. What do you mean?

Like fish it out the toilet or leave it in the bowl? Fish it out the toilet and put it in a shoe box. It's disgusting. I wish that. No, Jack. No. It is what they did when they were children. What? Like a fucking pet caterpillar that you tried to breed? Really big pet caterpillar. Yeah. Dark times.

You know. Dang. Oklahoma built different. Philadelphia. Philly. Philadelphia. Philly. We knew that already. You know Oklahoma built different We knew that already we knew Philly was built different but yeah, this is this is continuing There's still no like a lot of people have asked them like what of these illegal warrantless wiretaps We still haven't gotten to the bottom of it because everyone's playing dumb now as like the controversies get more intense But yeah, I'm we'll see what happens. This is all happening while you know, these are the people that are actually in charge of the fucking Pentagon. The fucking war machine

are just you know, frat dudes. Yeah, coke and taking big shits. If we have like a well funded like media, like you know, like a 1970s era mainstream media, how many Water Gates do you think we're averaging a week at this point from this administration? I'd say three a day. It's a lot. They're coming through and then just being replaced by another Water Gate. It's not like they're doing it and it's a secret. They're doing it, telling people about it, being like, I didn't know you couldn't do that. And then

the only reason that it doesn't become like front page news is one, like everybody's scared because authoritarianism, but also it seems like it's just replaced by the next one, the next outrage. They're straight up violating protected speech. You know what I mean? These were things that were like total legal third rails and like, yeah, bro, that's like, what are we talking about? That's the First Amendment.

You look at like now with Harvard, Trump's like, you're going to get fully defunded. Linda McMahon, who's the Secretary of Education, was basically saying, well, they're not doing what the what the administration says to do. And if they run afoul of that, they're wrong. You're like, okay, well, you they have free speech rights, like you can't just say because they're not doing what you say, and toeing the line

that now they're up to have all, you know, funds just totally vaporized. Well, you think you have free speech? Well, I have a gun. Yeah, right. Exactly. OK, that's fine. That's fine. And then even just like they just the the the the sheriff that they just pardoned, that he just pardoned. And now the two the those the Chrisleys, you know, that that family,

that the reality star people that went to jail. They just the story there. I like couldn't. Again, this is this is their thing is working on me in that. Like it's so many new scandals that I'm just like, I don't fucking want to learn about this reality show couple. Yeah. He was basically, I mean, they, they were doing fucking fraud. They were convicted of fraud.

And like we said on the other show yesterday, convicted of fraud. Like we said yesterday, if you are white and as long as you don't kill another white person, you can get a pardon. Yeah, you can get one. So they tick all the boxes. TV white people, MAGA check. Only did fraud and stole from people. Check.

Okay. You can get a pardon because fraud is free speech. Thank you. It's, it's your fault for believing in my free speech. I said it and I can say it. That's protected speech. Sadly, I feel like we are probably looking towards some codification of fraud into our laws to be like,

well, if you get got, you get got according to this new statute. I do think we need a metric. Somebody needs to start tracking like watergates per news cycle. All those baseball stats that are like, what's their war? We need something like that for this administration. Just like new-

We need real saver metrics to understand it. Savor metrics for just the massive flood of corruption. Okay. Let's say that you get some high ranking job in the government. Um, and, and you're there, you, you only have like a week morals aside. What's the biggest scam that you think you can pull off in a week? Like in terms of to enrich myself or to like bring awareness? Yes, purely selfish.

Just like can you achieve for yourself in a week? Fraud supermarket sweep. Yeah. Are you getting the turkeys or are you going straight for the hoses and the tires? What are you going for? If I'm thinking really the Machiavellian here, I would take something that I know I can cash in later for something much bigger. It doesn't, I wouldn't be looking at money. I'm looking for like information or something that I'm like, Oh, I could flip this.

I'm a flipper. The passwords to the New York stock exchange. I'm a flipper. I'm a, I like to flip. Yeah. I'm, I'm, yeah. Like I like to go to the thrift store and go thrifting. I'm like, Oh, they don't, they're, they're, they're sleeping on this thing.

I'm going to take that. I'll go sell it to another nation for some shit. I think blackmail is the right answer because the, the fraud is, oh, they don't, they're, they're, they're sleeping on this thing. I'm going to take that. I'll go sell it to another nation for some shit. You know, I think blackmail is the right answer because the, the fraud is so flagrant at this point. And it, you have to assume at some point it won't be. And also it doesn't seem like it's the thing that anybody inside the administration is necessarily looking for while they're in it.

Cause they are all like true believers. So I feel like you could just like be the, was that like invention of lying? That, that movie where like, nobody else knows how it knows what lies are. Like you could kind of be that for like the only person who realizes that Donald Trump is like committing massive fraud on a daily basis and just like build, build your case, get out of there and then make some money on the back end. Chris, you're in the White House. What are you doing? What are you doing? I think that I'm going to print myself off a bunch of different passports.

That's smart. Oh, OK. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. Yeah. And then I don't know how long that takes, but if I got a couple extra days, I'll also hide a plane. Yeah. Hide a plane. I mean, with the way the defense spending is, you could probably get like a jet or something like a fighter jet, you know, just kind of chilling in the corner or something like that. There are too many of them. There's no way that they have an Excel spreadsheet tracking where all of that. I mean, we can't even track the guns in the fucking, at any level. Okay. Real talk, I would be scared of owning a gun. I think that I'm just like too, I'm like too much of a manic pixie dream girl. I would just like be like, whoopsie doopsie. I dropped it and it's like fully automatic.

You know, just like twirling around the room. Like Jimmy Lee Curtis centralizing. Nonstop. I would just like be like, whoopsie doopsie. I dropped it and it's like fully automatic. You know, just like twirling around the room. Jimmy Lee Curtis and True Liering. Nonstop.

Yeah, just a fire hose. Just like, whoops, whip it around like a snake. But I would love a military tank. Hey, that's a stunt. That's a stunt. No one's going to try to get my parking spot. I'm going to push them out. Like those people who are like, excuse me, I'm saving this parking spot.

Like you can't save spots now. Watch this shit. Yeah. But then you just carefully parallel park. Yeah. The Pentagon would be the place to target both because everybody seems to be drugged on cocaine currently. And also like even before everybody was drunk and on cocaine, they misplaced like $3 billion,

like a few years back. So I feel like you could really just, I don't know, like the scheme from office space would work. You know, just like rounding, some rounding errors and suddenly you have like $30 million in the bank. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, just ideas. And hey, look, if you're a federal worker, please give us some better ideas.

I mean, we came into this cold. I barely did any research, but if you're a federal worker and you've got some real tips for us, let us know. Uh, I know. I wonder, I'm sure there's like way cooler things that we just like, don't even have the ability to extrapolate. Like whatever the doge fuckers, like obviously they're trying to get a ton of sensitive information and things like that. But I'm like, what's like the low hanging fruit of

sensitive information I could be swooping up? They're all going to be like billionaires in the future. I feel like the way that oligarchs happened in after the fall of the Soviet Union was just like they created all these coupons that were like, okay, this coupon gives you access to 10% of the petrol industry in Russia. And like one guy just like collected all those and now he like runs petrol. And so I feel like Doge, like that's probably what those people are doing.

And they'll be our future oligarchs. Once they're old enough to drive. I love games. Yeaharchs. Once they're old enough to drive. I love games. Yeah. Yeah. Once they're old enough to have a beard. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Anyways, this is probably how people are thinking about the administration right now, right? Like, I don't think anybody's. I guess there's the true believers, but then I think there's a lot of people who are just like- People are shameless. It's like, if you've been to an award show and there's been like a gifting suite and they're breaking it down and people come in like, Hey, can I take this? Can I take the, are you using this? I'm taking this.

I'm taking this. I'm taking this. I'm taking that's how people are probably looking at. That was a very specific reference to when I worked events, a gifting suite names. I know there were just times people would come in trying to get so much free shit because they thought no one wasn't looking and you're like, wow, this really is the human condition. Just like, get yours if you have no moral scruples.

Also, there's just like nobody's like really paying attention. There's this article, I think it was in the Atlantic, so I didn't read it, but it was a... They were talking about how like the process, really getting access to the president for an interview, you go through, you get vetted, and then you have to go through all these official channels. You kind of say, give your pitch, your one sheet on what you want your interview to be about.

And they were like, and we were in this process for three months. Our story was ostensibly like, you're the most important president, leader of the 21st century, you know, like ass kissing stuff. Then like then they could like back into actual questions from, and like a week before the interview, people at the white house were like, they've written critical things about you. And so Trump like started tweeting about how much he hated them and like backed out of the interview. And then a week later, they just called him.

They just like got his phone number and called him and ended up like having a four hour conversation with him anyways. They were just like, yeah, we actually just like called him. He was at his golf club and he was in a good mood. And so we talked just like called him. He was at his golf club and he was in a good mood. And so we talked for four hours. Anyways, it's so well, because is this after SignalGate where the fucking editor of the Atlantic was involved in those defense chats? Like, do they even remember from that?

They're like, I think the Atlantic just like has realized that absolutely everyone's asleep at the wheel and now it's just like, you can just like walk right in and meet with the president. It's crazy. I was in the Capitol that said Trump's phone number was written on a bathroom stall. I called it. That was his phone. Straight up. Call for a good time. For a great interview.

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We're back. And we're gonna talk about the rehearsal, the HBO show. I don't know how many people have watched it. So we probably need to give people the background on like what the show is. It's very difficult to explain, but I think people know Nathan Fielder from Nathan for you. The first season of the rehearsal where the conceit was,

what if you could rehearse an interaction over and over again, so you felt like you were in better control of it. Yeah. The first season, the things that they did is like somebody had a awkward conversation, uh, that they had to have. And so they like built a bar where they would be having the conversation and like did all this stuff and got them prepared, had an, brought in actors to play the person they would be having the conversation with.

And then they, the second through sixth episode were all about somebody who wanted to have a kid but didn't know if they were ready. Yeah. And was just a fascinating character. So they rehearsed the entire process of raising a child from birth up through teenage years. This one, I'd say it's probably best to just, if you haven't seen this season, is just to say that this time Nathan Fielder has a very, very intense interest on airline safety

and will literally stop at nothing to try and find a solution for why planes keep crashing. And when I say literally anything, I fucking mean it. and I don't really want to spoil I haven't seen this this the finale although I do know what the big spoil the big event is has been spoiled I don't care because everything the journey up into this point is such a fucking It's your mind will be blown in so many so many ways over and over again It's wild how timely it is to like there's no like How did he pick this as like a thing to focus on this season? Yeah.

And as it's coming out, we have all of the disaster after disaster after disaster in the news about planes crashing. So here's my dark conspiracy theory. Oh, he's doing them. He's behind them. He was making this show at a time where there hadn't been an American aviation disaster in a decade. He needed something to happen. I'm just saying. No.

I don't think he planned it to that degree, but everything short of that is within play with him. I mean, the one thing I thought was, as someone who was an insufferable Malcolm Gladwell reader, I was like, this is from Outliers. Yes. The whole thing is actually- Except Malcolm Gladwell was racist. Yeah, he's like, because you know Asians.

Exactly. It was how that went. It was this thing. So basically his theory that, I mean, you learn in the very first episode, so I don't feel like this is a spoiler. No, this isn't a spoiler. But there's like really good, like one of the things that they do a recreation of is they take the black box recordings from actual plane crashes and then have pilots reenact

what is happening in the cockpit as these crashes happen. And there are these just awkward interactions between the pilot and a copilot who's like, yo, we're going to crash. But like the pilot is like, no, what are you talking like that? Yeah. That one pilot who's like it's a woman who is the copilot and he's just like, so stupid. This is my plane. Like, you know, it's like such a dick.

And then they crash and everybody dies on the plane. This is my plane. You know, it's like such a dick and then they crash and everybody dies on the plane. But it's basically the theory is that they don't have open enough lines of communication between pilots and co-pilots to a degree that that hierarchy, there being a pilot and co-pilot, leads to co-pilots not saying things when something horrible is about to happen, which is like their job, their job is to like, they have a matching set of steering instruments right next to them and they're supposed to be there to say, okay, my plane, I'm taking over control because you're fucking mess up

for whatever reason. There's like something you can't see in the situation. There's something that you've like, just like kind of, you're having a situation where you can't like properly fly the plane. And a lot of times people even though they know they're headed for trouble, like won't do that, the co pilots won't do that. And so his theory is like you need to find a way to open up that line of communication through kind of rehearsing or like putting them in little situations where they get better at communicating. Right. Yeah. This finale, I haven't seen it, but it's quite a moment from what I'm reading. But I don't know if that's really the emphasis

of the main thing around it, whether it's the exact finale. But Chris, I don't know, how did you feel about the show before we kind of dive into what the show is trying to do, what it could be doing, or what it maybe wasn't doing? I was already obsessed with the show. I loved season one.

I love Nathan for you. I really enjoyed The Curse. Then watching this finale, my jaw was on the floor the entire time. Just the absolute scale of this. I'm going to try to talk around spoilers, but he did prepare for the finale for two and a half years leading up to it. So like even before filming.

So just how long that this man has been working on this project is insane. I've never done anything remotely fractional to the degree that this guy is doing things. Right. And I found myself, like my heart was racing through this finale. My jaw was on the floor. I was texting friends and being like, please watch this with me right now. And it doesn't completely feel like it's not, like it's just spectacle. I enjoy the fact that there is like an intellectual angle to it. Like he's doing it for a purpose. He's doing it to, it seems like actually affect good change, hopefully, through the lens of

comedy and absurdism. And it's just, it's really admirable. Yeah, that's how I felt when he was the giant baby, breastfeeding. Yeah. Um. That is one of the most memorable images from, yeah. He's just being waterboarded by breast milk.

Yeah. Breast milk boarded. He really like walks the line between like, is this, are we watching a person with a, having a mental health crisis who's about to like endanger the lives of a bunch of people or like, is he a genius, you know, that's like kind of the line that he's walking at the throughout the series. There is like one point from the finale that I don't think spoils anything,

but I think really like drove the whole thing home for me of like the pilot co-pilot dynamic. At one point he's like in the backseat of an Uber and the Uber driver is scrolling through TikTok while they're driving. And I'm like- You have the phone in the dashboard'm like, phone in the dashboard. Yeah.

Phone in the dashboard. I'm like, oh yeah, I've had that, especially like more and more recently. I've like had that and I haven't said anything. And that's exactly what they're talking about with the co-pilot. Like the they're doing something dangerous that could get you and them killed. And you're like, yeah, but I don't want to have like an awkward conversation. Like that would be so awkward if I like said that. And what if they gave me like a lower rating?

What if they lowered your casket six feet into the ground? Yeah, exactly. This is kind of a buy-in. So it's so interesting. I wonder if this is like a phenomena of modern society or if there is like is, is there an analogous situation to folks in the past? We're built on this, on like so many mechanisms of having to trust strangers like Ubers, taxi drivers, airline pilots and things and like these awkward conversations and having to skirt around them

and kind of betting our lives? Is there something? Yeah, I mean, I think food safety used to be a big thing that harmed and killed people a lot. And it was just stuff up the supply chain from you that you just had to be like, man, I hope this isn't poison. And a lot of times, it was. I hope this canned fish is not poison.

Not again. I just remember the story like Typhoid Mary, who was the person who like created a lot of the, or like contributed to a lot of the typhoid outbreaks in New York in, I think it was like the late 19th century was just somebody who was in, I think it was like the late 19th century, was just somebody who was, had typhoid, but, or had typhoid, but like, it was just shedding it, but it wasn't killing her. She was like a host that could just like hold it and just give it out. And she just kept like cooking for more, like she would get caught. They'd want to like put her in an institution, She'd disappear and then go like work for another family.

And like everybody was just like, yeah. Incredible diva. I know. Right. It's like, you can't stop me from getting the bag. Exactly. She's like, this is where I'm good at. She had like a famous peach cobbler that everybody was like, Oh, Mary, your

peach cobbler, but like they would all die. And then like a week later, she'd be like, well, I guess I've got to go, go do this again somewhere else. But I guess, is it, is the, I guess maybe the thing you're getting at Chris is like, is it just because of like the sort of like European derived concept of social hierarchy versus like, you know, we look, when we look at the examples of like European hierarchies or maybe indigenous cultures that have hierarchies, but responsibilities are distributed a little bit more equally, not in a place where you're like, I could never say anything to the person in this position, which feels very much like coming out of our monarchist conception of power structures or things like that. I wonder if that's a specific thing. I don't know if that's what's always what's always breeding this idea of like, you have a place where you do not want to sort of rock the boat from wherever you're at is sort of like the base level where people operate from.

And then, then there are other people who just, you know, aren't really bothered by that or aren't burdened by it to speak their mind. Crazy of you to think that I was smart enough to ever think that that was my point. Cause the more I, you know, the more we like learn about the, the more we learn about the, the more we learn about the, the more we learn about the, the of you to think that I was smart enough to ever think that that was my point. Because the more I you know, the more I we like learn about like indigenous, you know, culture and how it's structured and so different and so anti capitalist and antithetical to everything that ills us now. I'm like, oh, like this sort of like, yeah, slots right in with the idea that if you are here, you cannot say shit to

someone up here and don't even fucking think about it. You should try to get up there if you want to talk something to them or whatever. It's like it's just not part of our culture to be able to like call some shit out without fear of retribution. Yeah, there's a whole massive, you know, libraries and libraries of information about, you know, indigenous cultures that is just being ignored because they didn't have immune systems that were prepared for people who lived in pig shit. So we were like, well, we must be superior to them then. So we won't learn all these beautiful philosophical ideas on how to organize your culture.

But we are now, as more people have an interest in realizing. More and more. But yeah, that's what that book, The Dawn of Everything is about. It's pretty cool. Damn, the world would be so different if the tables were turned just ever so slightly. Just like 180 degrees. Yeah, ever so slightly, exactly the opposite. If the Europeans who came over actually were not prepared for the sicknesses that the indigenous people were just like, yeah, yeah. And they took that shit back to Europe.

George over there ain't doing too good, but he'll probably make it through. Just don't talk to him. They're like, I'm not going to talk to him. We're good. I mean, we're just like not like just the only way that the European settlers were able to come in and colonize the Americas was because everybody just died off. It was like an apocalypse happened. Then all of these battles and the things of cowboys versus Indians was just, that's like

the remnants. They were fighting the post-apocalyptic remnants of people who had like 95% of their population have been wiped out by disease So like just if that hadn't happened that would have been plenty to just keep things Even but I don't anyways who she was she get back to the rehearsal Anyway try and manifest that shit. Do you have a situation in your life right now that you could use a rehearsal for? Is there a conversation or something looming in your head that you wish that you had Nathan

feel there on hand? Yes. What is that? Let's open up. I want to tell Jack I've been lying about who I am for the last seven or eight years. Oh my God. I did not go to, I did not go to seven years. I didn't go to college, Jack. This isn't even a microphone.

It's a cup I'm holding and I've been getting away with it. I don't know. Oh man. A situation. I think I would have used one when I told my grandparents, I wasn't going to get baptized when I was like 18. I was running that shit through my head. They're always like, you should get baptized, baby.

You should get better. You should get saved, baby. You should think about it because, you know, you only had a dedication. You should get a baptism. And I was like the whole time, I'm like, bro, I am so off this religious shit. Like it is to me, it's it's like fucking everything up around there. I see it as a huge driver of a lot of bad things around me historically and currently. And then I the best I did, I remember getting really high and it hit me. I was like,

wait, okay, we'll flip it. I remember I went to my grandparents house, they brought it up again. I said, you know, grandma, grandpa, I don't think I want to get baptized. But if I met Jesus, he would think I'm doing shit, right? He wouldn't say I need to really tighten up. He would be like, Okay, that dude is all right. And that's how I look at it. I don't know if I need to have a baptism to be a good person But I would do say that I treat others with respect and I see that I say that as a baseline and they're like Oh, I didn't okay. Okay, and I was like, thank God. I thought they're gonna be like

But they're loving people and it wasn't that big of a deal, but that was that was a conversation I definitely rehearsed many times in my head. In your head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think the Fielder method would have worked on your grandparents? I don't.

Where actors follow people around. It's also creepy. It's the primaries. Yeah. What about you, Chris? You have a, you have a rehearsal moment that you could have used. Yeah, what about you Chris? You have a you have a rehearsal moment that you could have used Hmm. I'm really

Good at speaking my mind. I think so. Maybe it's like kind of the opposite I probably need someone to like intervene and be like actually maybe we don't need to have that conversation a tongue holder if you will No, no, no, let's hold your tongue and give you a take back on this one. Yeah That that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I think I have kind of the opposite situation where like I just need to do the thing because I ruminate too much on things already and like over prepare. I could see you getting fucked up by like a curve ball. Like if you had rehearsed the thing over and over and the first interaction wasn't something on the chart, you'd be like, fuck. And I do have a chart and I have this whole conversation branched out and branched probabilities. You're just holding a stone tablet as you talk. And good. Okay. We did so that leads to this.

Yes, I am having a good day. And how is your husband? Yes, check. Check, check. But yeah, I mean, this rehearsal thing, I think, is it the communication or is it capitalism? You know, that's- That's right. So that's one point that people have been making. I mean, this rehearsal thing, I think, is it the communication or is it capitalism? That's right. So that's one point that people have been making.

It is a good point that communication breakdowns have caused problems in the past. It's also not a new idea. I think it acknowledges that some people have pointed this out before, but it does make it seem like this is kind of a completely new idea. Right. And it's not. There's a lot of group dynamic industries that focus on people being able to rehearse or do little games of role playing where people just kind of get in the right energy space.

It is really interesting that something as silly as like, okay, I am captain all years and you're first officer blunt. And just like something that silly, but like it just energetically like changes the dynamic of like two people who haven't really met or talked. All right. Start with space work. Start with space work. That's right. I mean, yeah, talking about space work, I feel like I come from an improv background. I did a lot of it.

And I think that all improv is rehearsing for the unrehearsable. I think there's a lot in my mind. I'm naturally an anxious person first in like in terms of like these conversations that we're talking about, like the big ones of not wanting to get baptized or like coming out as queer or whatever, but like something about, you can't prepare for those, but if you can prepare for the unpreparable,

that feels good. Right. I can get in his mind space and be like, oh, I get why you would want to do this. Right. Yeah, because at least if you've felt the sensation of like, oh, I need to adapt and listen and quickly do something like this, yeah, it does set the bar for you,

at least with confidence to encounter those kinds of moments. But yeah, going back to just, and this is a bit of a recurring theme on this podcast. Nathan Fielder is a comedian. His interest is in interpersonal awkwardness, but the bigger problem with aviation safety is capitalism. Capitalism. Airlines and aerospace manufacturers putting profits first and needs of workers and passengers behind profit and underfunding regulatory agencies like the FAA, while giving huge tax breaks to profitable companies like Boeing.

But it's, you know, communication in the cockpit and things like this that are failings of the employees are things that those corporations actually point to, to try to escape culpability. Like they'll, they'll be like, well, look, this was actually just a failing of the flight crew. Right. Operator error. Yeah. Operator error. When in fact, like a lot of the times it's because people are being overworked and not being given enough rest and like the regulations that were put in place to protect the passengers on their planes

is getting bent or like pushed in a different direction because it's no longer, you know, the FDA just is, it's like the FDA, all those things, all those agencies that just don't have the money or the manpower that a massive corporation does in the United States. It's like in a very dangerous way, like anti-worker too, because in that one episode, all the pilots talk about, I was like, well, you can't tell them you're having any kind of emotional distress. They will fucking ground your ass. And so your whole job depends on you pretending nothing is wrong with you ever too. And I'm like, that's not good.

Like, it can't be that you're like, we only are interested in people that can actually, you know, they can fucking compartmentalize to the point that we don't know what's going on behind those eyes. That's what we're looking for. I don't love to hear that. Yeah. I'd like I prefer a situation where someone goes, you know, I'm a little stressed and over where I think I need to I need to I need a few days. You know, know, I'm a little stressed and overworked. I think I need to, I need to I need a few

days, you know, that's that feels a little bit safer. But yeah. And I think that was also one of the moments in that show too, that really touched me were like, when he was just using like crew people to like engage these other pilots to just have conversations and we're so starved for like conversation that hit me in a way when I was like, oh my God, these people feel so, I mean, obviously these are the people that they got to be on the show,

but at least this subsection of pilots that they had on the show felt so in need of being able to talk about what's going on or just like that. The actors would come up and be like, how's your day going? They'd be like, I guess it goes back to my mom. You know? Yeah, and they're like. It was just, they had a lot to get off their chest.

Yeah. And that's on patriarchy. That's the second sentence. Yeah. There's a. I don't know, it's just like, there's so much culture around like keeping your emotions tight. We've built these structures,

like that's just built into like these cultures. Now emotions are going to be, they're bad. They're not good. You do not talk about them, toughen up, do your job. And if you fuck up, that's on you. That's why Malcolm Gladwell was right. I know in many ways as it comes back to the spot on bro. They're just, they're too respectful

To polite oh, thanks. Oh really Canadian is that right down to being rice farmers for so What's going on now look at the size of their hands the space between their thumb and ring finger I'm like the fuck the space between their thumb and ring finger. I'm like, the fuck? The space between them. It's a whole lot of these polite-iots. Yeah. We've got problems with polite-iots. There's now a massive pilot shortage, by the way.

There are around 18,000 fewer commercial pilots than the industry needed in 2023. And people haven't stopped flying since 2023. And in fact, I feel like it's gone up a little bit. Well, let's say, is it because the benefits suck? That no, people don't want to be a pilot no more. It's just these dang pilots are too weak. Yeah. Quote, overworked to the point of fatigue due to disruptions and last minute

schedule changes, as a pilot's union said. They're too woke. We need them to be overworked and asleep. Exactly. That's right. Too damn woke. Uh, well, Chris, it has been a true pleasure having you on the show. True pledge.

TP. Where can people find you follow you,, hear you, all that good stuff? You can find me on Instagram at The Meat Skeleton. Yeah. M-E-A-T. You can listen to my podcast. One of us with Finn and Chris, that I co-host with my best friend, Finn Argus. It's a mix between improv and candid conversations. It's really beautifully sound

designed as well. It's a fun little escape. And it's also not to be confused with One of Us, the Christian Worship podcast. You have to search One of Us with Finn. What if God was one of us? Yeah. Oh, I wonder if that is what the Christian Worship podcast is like based on that song. That song blew their fucking mind. Like, whoa. Hold on.

Did you just fucking hear what Joan Osborne fucking said? I'm sorry. Just a stranger? Shut the fuck up right now. Shut the fuck up. A stranger one of us? Oh my God. Yeah.

Yeah. A stranger on the bus trying to make his way home. God is good. I was like, what the fuck is this? 95 is cooked. Is there Chris a work of media that you've been enjoying? I guess I already burned that with in the talk about the rehearsal and the the devil's plan. But I do I did screen grab a couple of tweets that really got me. We like those.

Recently, if I can share one of those. Yeah. Hit on. I don't know how to try to translate a tweet into this audio format. So should I just recite it to you? Yeah, that's how we do it. Okay, so the premise of this one is my first day in a drug cartel, the kingpin says, where's the coke?

Me? Is Pepsi okay? He, he, he, he, he. And then later, police officer, this is the most bullet holes we've ever seen in a single party. Who posted that? I really got me crying. The name is just Aaron. OK, shout out Aaron.

Aaron. Don't fuck around with it. Don't fuck around with your first name. This is the most bullet holes we've seen in a single body. Tying back in that coke line. That coke, that cocaine. Miles, where can people find you as their work of media? You've been enjoying it.

Yeah, find me everywhere where they got the ad symbols at miles of gray. There's basketball talk ahead on miles and jack. I'm at boosties. And if you like 90 day fiance, ahoy. And if you like 90 day fiance talk with a very fated host and co-host, check me out on 420 day fiance. Now, let's see a works of media, a work of media. Yes, on blue sky, there was this the onion.

This is from a few days ago. It's just like this, like, you know, you know how they always have like a stock photo of someone for one of their headlines, just like this buttoned up to white dude in a, a suit, it says very important man. One of the main guys where he works. That description fucking killed me because that's something people just use.

Oh yeah. It's one of the main guys where he works. Oh, he's one of the main guys. Yeah. He's one of the main guys where he works. Oh, he's one of the main guys. Yeah, he's one of the main dudes. And then another one at brendalboard.beesky.social posted, ah, my greatest foe, someone whose politics are 95% identical to my own. Fucking losers. Let's see. Work media I've been enjoying. Tweet from Lev at abokinsymbols tweeted, witness protection process. Let's see.

Work Media I've been enjoying. Tweet from Lev at A Book of Symbols tweeted, witness protection program, but for when you just kind of suck and need a new start. I think that's just a good pitch. And then David Grossman tweeted, ideally the rehearsal would not be funded by HBO, but rather by the Work Progress Administration as a project of the New Deal. We need that. Sesame Street and the rehearsal.

You should both just be public works. I'm with that. I'm with that. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on BlueSky at Jack OB and then the number one. You can find us on Twitter and bluesguy at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,

and there you will find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song there that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah, man, Stereo Lab, one of my favorites. I was just listening to them over the weekend and there's a track called Diagonals that's really fucking dope. It's just again, Stereo Lab is just that good,

that feel good music to have around your house, like most music, you know. But this one is great. It's got nice vocal melodies. It's got a really funky drum break at the beginning. So check it out, Diagonals by Stereo Lab. All right. We will link up to that in the footnotes. Today, Lee Zeitgeist is the production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio.

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