The Daily Zeitgeist - Postmaster Disaster, Ellen’s Ex Elaborates? 8.18.20

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

In episode 696, Miles and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by Creature Feature host Katie Goldin to discuss more of the USPS being screwed over, Trump promoting the OAN network, Lara Trump's dumb thoughts on Joe Biden picking Kamala Harris as a running mate, The Office's Leslie David Baker sharing the racist messages he received, Anne Heche's thoughts on the Ellen saga, and more!FOOTNOTES: Two Democrats call for criminal inquiry of postmaster general Warren calls on McConnell to bring Senate back to address Postal Service Meet OAN, the little-watched right-wing news channel that Trump keeps promoting Lara Trump says Joe Biden is 'pandering for votes' and 'playing identity politics' by selecting a female running mate in Kamala Harris The Office's Leslie David Baker Victim of Racist Trolling After Launching 'Uncle Stan' Campaign ‘The Office’ Star Leslie David Baker Has Revealed Why He Shared The Racist Messages He Receives Anne Heche Speaks Out About Ex Ellen DeGeneres’s Alleged Staff Abuse WATCH: Aaliyah - Rock The Boat (Unreleased Kaytranada Edition) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. quest we'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades listen to the legend of sword quest on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts well hello the internet and welcome to season 147 episode 2 of the daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio it's the podcast where we take a deep dive into this old shared consciousness of ours here in the US of A and say off the rip. Fuck the Koch brothers, as in Koch Industries. Fox News, fucking Rush Limbaugh, Buck Sexton,

Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, J.K. Rowling, they can all get it, okay? If you're not here for the inclusivity, you gotta get the fuck out of here. And if you're still in, great, fantastic, because it is a beautiful Tuesday, august 18th my name is miles gray aka fuck you motherfucker you can't even sing oh baby i like grandma yeah baby i like grandma oh baby i like grandma yeah baby i like grandma

shimmy shimmy y'all shimmy yam shimmy yay wear a fucking bat so she won't wither away okay and that's just all about keeping the elderly safe in the era of covid because you know people out here reckless without masks still reckless with the lack of social distancing reckless and we're putting too many people at risk so please y' y'all, just a PSA up top. Shout out to, let me just figure out that. AKA came from at Mr. Lugubrious, Lex Lugie, for that ODB inspired AKA. And those little whispers that you hear off in the distance, that is not a specter. But a flesh and blood human being who has joined us from an undisclosed location, deep in the mountains of an undisclosed place.

But without further ado, I want to introduce my guest co-host today, which really needs no introduction. It's Lil' Zam herself, Jamie Loftus. I'm talking Jamie Loftus. That's a small Zamboni. Birthday girl who's smoking pot. That's a small Zamboni. Oh, I killed Miles.

Oh, no. I was not ready for that. Okay. Wow. Did you just come up with that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wrote that.

No credit needed. I wrote that myself. Okay. I was walking around. I wrote it myself. It's my birthday today. This comes out on my birthday. Oh, my God.

Happy birthday, Jamie. Thank you. I feel so bad. I don't actually know. I know you're a Leo, but I didn't know the actual birthday. birthday today this comes out on my birthday are you oh my god happy birthday jamie thank you i'm feel so bad i don't actually know i know you're a leo but i know the actual birthday but wow and how old are you 19 now i just turned 14 years old today wow i've been guesting on this show since i was 11 11 and on to this day I'm still impressed with your intellect, your ability to just put thoughts together, your writing skills. They're that of a talented adult. That's what it's like to be Gen Z.

All praise to you on your birthday. Zyke Gang, please give her a shout out on her social media, whatever. Send her something. Why not? Help her out. Send me something. Also, Jamie, let's introduce our guest today somebody who's on the network who knows who knows what time it is they're they're part of the iheart gang okay someone who i

typically rely on to regularly blow my mind with facts about animals or be completely disgusted by what's going on in the rainforest during a fire. But either way, we have the amazing, talented, brilliant host of Creature Feature and many other just birds rights activists. We could go down the list, but it is the prolific Katie Golden. Happy birthday, happy, happy birthday. Happy birthday, happy, happy birthday. Do we have a birthday here? Yes, we have a birthday here.

I feel like I'm at a Charlie horse. What? Is that a real royalty-free birthday song you'd sing somewhere? I mean, I think it used to be sung in the Red Robin, which I believe is out of business, so I'm pretty sure their songs are free for the pickings. Red Robin, no. Yum.

They're closed? Closed. Oh, you hate to see it. You hate to see it. I remember I went to a Red Robin once with a neighbor family who was like, you know, pure red-blooded American white family. I had never heard of Red Robin. The kids were like, we want to go to Red Robins. Red Robins or whatever the fuck it was.

And I was like, what are they wiling about? And I'm like, yo, this is like Fuddruckers. You gotta see it. You gotta see Red Robbins, bro. Yeah, shout out to the one at the Glendale Galleria. My most humiliating birthday chain restaurant experience was, have you

like a Texas Roadhouse opened in my hometown? Oh, I want to go so bad. I always just see memes about it. The food is, I don't remember. It was like years and years ago. They have free peanuts at the beginning. So if you have a peanut allergy, definitely don't go there. But because it's just the floor is littered with peanuts and they're like, this is our thing. Right. RIP restaurant in peanuts. But if it's your birthday, they like take out a saddle and you have to sit on it.

It feels awful. It's really uncomfortable. And then you're just sitting in front of your aunt on a saddle. It feels terrible. And it's not attached to anything. It's just a floating saddle. It's just a saddle on a stick. Like a bar stool?

You have to sit on it. Like a stick they can do. Oh, like a little stick horse that kids pretend they're playing like knights and shit on? No, it's basically a saddle balanced on a stick. A saddle on a bar stool. And then you have to sit on it. And then the waitstaff, which they also don't want to be. No one wants to be doing this.

Your aunts kind of want it. And they're eating bread. And they're thrilled. But for the rest, yeah, for the person sitting on the saddle, it doesn't feel good. They're like, howdy, howdy, howdy. I'm a widow cowgirl. And I'm 45.

I'm 35 years old. I'm a widow cowgirl. I mean, I guess, you know, maybe everyone should know the thrill of, you know, riding the saddle on your birthday. Just so we don't have that experience on our bucket list. Well, we'll get to know everybody even better even you katie even with greater me even old little old you uh we are going to get into that but first we got to talk about you know what's in store this episode we're just going to talk a little bit about the postal service again because it is still under

never-ending attack and now uh democrats and some people are starting to say things out loud that resemble a defense or plan of action. So we'll get into what those words and ideas sound like and mean. We'll also talk about trouble in right-wing shitty media paradise where Trump has now become the distracted boyfriend meme. Except with right-wing news networks. He's got a wandering eye there. Then we'll do a quick little white supremacy fuckery roundup, just to check in with all the

nonsense that's going in. As well as talk about the Ellen saga. We've seen a lot of people come to her defense. Other people not get into it. But we've always wondered on the show, what about Anne Heche? What does Anne Heche act like? What is her take on this? We got a take from her we'll we'll we'll sort of analyze that what can be spills

and heche tea if you will yeah and then we will actually begin to do really get into the i know everyone's been talking about this the real hard-hitting news which is the cometh the seasoning of pumpkin spice season ing i don't know how to say that but it's it's pumpkin spice season-ing. I don't know how to say that, but it's pumpkin spice time all fucking ready. And it makes sense to a certain extent. And other times it doesn't, but we'll have to get into that because that's just how our American culture cycles always during this time of the year.

But first, Katie, what's something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I did Google search stupid beard. Well, so because I was trying to come up with a metaphor for Ted Cruz's beard. And first of all, what this reveals about me is that sometimes I lack creativity and I need help

by googling stupid beard um it also reveals that I have the hot take that Ted Cruz's beard is stupid and also I think it's it's uh something i i learned i grew as a person after searching for stupid beards because i started to see sort of the world of beards and the variety of beards some people shape they sculpt their beards into shapes like like boats or windmills, and they intern to beard sculpture competitions. And who am I to judge? Yes. That's kind of, I mean, good for them. I didn't know.

I say that shit's dumb, and it's stupid. It's a waste of time, and if you do it, you're dumb too. And do I say that as somebody who will never be able to grow a beard? Yes, but that's not informing my opinion on the beard sports. Maybe you should open your follicles to beard art. Maybe I should stop getting kicked out of Rite Aid or trying to put hair loss, you know, Rogaine on my face. Like it's fucking holy water.

It has me to leave. But you know what? And then I'm like, fuck y'all. Dunking your head in a bucket of Rogaine. I mean, I always had that idea. I think it because like on the simpsons there was like there was a moment where like homer was sort of dabbling with the idea of where rogaine would go and i was like yeah maybe that shit'll work uh it doesn't and it all it

does is get your picture put up in cvs's around the city and not because you're a celebrity i remember in cartoons like if you spill rogaine all over body, you turn into a Sasquatch. Yes. What happened to that science? Right. In the same way that if you ate a fruit gusher, your head turned into a grape. A gusher. Right.

Yeah. A whole fruit. A whole strawberry. Who else felt lied to? Like when you ate a gusher and you're like, well, this is, I suppose this is how I die because my head turns into a fruit

and then explodes in sugary goodness, but I accepted it and then but nothing happened i don't know why that of all commercials i was like i believe this yeah i had a gushers recently i was uh you know trying some snacks out somebody had some gushers on deck someone with a kid and they're like oh i got some gushers like oh let me let me get a pack of gushers real quick. My nightmare scenario happened where it was one mono gusher that I pulled out the package where they had all fused together. And gushers are hard to bite off at the seams because then you can expose the juicy core. And then it's just like that WAP video. You know what I mean?

It's just all dripping down the sides. You know what I mean? And you don't want that. Yeah. You can't blow the gush before it's that. Yeah. You can't blow the gush before it's time. No rush. Don't blow the gush.

There's a helpful rhyme in there. No rush. Don't blow the gush. Don't blow your gush. Also for any kind of sex ed class in a place lacking

usable education, sex ed. Also, Katie, what's something overrated? What's something you think is overrated in these times? I would say growing basil for your own pesto. And I'll tell you why.

Very specific. Yeah, you grow basil. Look, you get little seeds. You put them in the dirt. Wow, you start growing basil. It's great. You're now the mother to basil. And you love it.

And you take care of it. And it grows big and strong. And you're really careful. And you're like, okay, I got to wait until you're big enough so that I can make pesto. Cause I don't want to, you know, kill the plant cause it's my baby can only shave off a little bit of the leaves for the pesto. Then it grows big and strong. And then guess what happens? Aphids happens. Now you got aphids on your plant. You're like, all right, every day is a battle. Every day I'm going in trying to get these aphids off the basil and then a heat wave comes and then it kills some of your basil and then you're like well at least maybe the heat wave will kill the aphids

but no the aphids are alive the basil is dead so now you got aphid pesto and this applies to everyone i believe and no yeah very relatable um not even a reference to the recent heat wave. I think we're still in the midst of in the Southwest. Yes, okay, well, I support you in the battle against aphids. How do you fight aphids? I don't know. You got to pluck them off or you just shake the shit? You're like, get the fuck out of here. Is it like a tweezer situation?

Yeah, you get a pair of tweezers and you pluck each one. And you hold it aloft to the rest of them. And you're like, this is what's going to happen to you. You're going to get gushed. Yeah, curse each individual one. Put them on, like get a needle and just like. Like a head on a pike, basically. Yeah, Ivan the Terrible-esque situation.

No, I think ladybugs, I might sort of recruit some ladybugs. Oh, because they fight them, right? They eat them, yes. Well, yes, youbugs. I think you can order them online. They eat them, yes. Well, yes, you're right. They do fight them. Fisticuffs with the aphids. You can catch them mid-combat. Yeah. You're like, oh, zoom in on that, Katie. Go live with it.

I'm sorry, but yes. We like aphid versus ladybug battles here. Yeah, I might get some ladybugs I've heard things like uh like I think cayenne pepper on it so I tried that but then I just got spicy aphid basil now which you know doesn't make it though I will say it's not the worst pesto I've had right it gives it a bit more protein anyway. Yeah, yeah. I think, I was just thinking about, your thing about ladybugs gave me a random memory of Huell Hauser. Huell Hauser! Did you ever watch that California's Gold episode where he went to a ladybug farm?

No, I didn't see that one. So, in one of the episodes, Huell goes to this ladybug farm, and he's like, wow, so this is where they go to cultivate the ladybugs. And then they're like, and the guy's like very not like as enthusiastic about his job as a ladybug like farmer. And he's like, so how do you get them? And he's like, well, they just sort of. Good heel hazard. We give them a place to sort of proliferate there. And they're sort of like, if you sort of lift up that pile of leaves, you'll kind of see where their colony is.

And he's like, just under there. Wow. And so he's like, I'm going to do it. He lifts it up and goes. And his mind is blown. He even goes to the guy who's like, there's ladybugs under here. And he's like, yeah, motherfucker, I just told you that's where they were. And bro, I got along.

And your enthusiasm, I don't know if you're fucking with me or not, but it's a very, like, pure Huell Hauser moment just about ladybugs. I think there's a video of Huell Hauser losing it over a dog eating an avocado. Yes, yes. He can't deal with it. He's like, he loves avocado. I love it. Also, like, asking the like the owners like is that okay is that normal is that safe yeah oh that makes me so happy that is some good regressive content

damn i need to i need to remember hugh hauser in these in these dark times there's a mandy patinkin clip i i turn to pretty frequently to lift my spirits where it's like he's doing an interview about Homeland and in the middle, the journalist's wife goes into labor and he's so excited. He's like, wait, you're having a baby?

Mazel! He is so happy and can't stop congratulating. And then the other journalist is like, so, getting back to Homeland, he's like, I can't stop thinkingulating. And then the other journalist is like, so, getting back to Homeland. He's like, I can't stop thinking about this baby. He was just so excited. I love that. Damn.

We need a repository of these feel-good clips. It's almost like it probably has that. It's on Reddit already, I'm sure. There's one going around on Twitter today of, I think, a BBC newscast where this guy is talking talking about a remote education and then his cat's tail pops up in the frame he's like rocco please put your tail down please tail down rocco i've lost my employment now as a result of your oh dearie me rocco chap would you mind just lowering that tail just a bit be a good. Be a good chap, Rocco. Katie, what is something you think is underrated? Well, stop me if someone's done this one before,

but have you heard of Mr. Boop? No. Mr. Boop? Mr. Boop. I don't know if I like where this is going. What is? Yeah, explain it. Well, Mr. Boop is a comic that you can find on Twitter and online.

It is by... Alec Robbins? Yes, Alec Robbins on Twitter, at Alec Robbins. And it's a comic about his life being married to Betty Boop. What? Yeah, I mean, it's an autobiographical comic about how he's married to Betty Boop. What? It's an autobiographical comic about how he's married to Betty Boop and how there are trials and

tribulations, how Bugs Bunny tried to kill him once but then they resolved it by having a threesome with Bugs Bunny and how Sonic the Hedgehog did shoot him and he went into a coma and then Sonic the Hedgehog went to jail but he went into a coma. And then Sonic the Hedgehog went to jail. But he felt really bad about it.

But then they had a threesome. It's very good. Wow. People love horny cartoons. It's like it's like super meta too. I mean, it's just an autobiography. I'm not sure what you mean by meta. It's just like his life.

He just illustrates his life. Okay, I'm sorry. His real life being married to Betty Boop. He was roommates with Peter Griffin once, too. Oh, okay. So that's how they met. That was probably, that could have been easy. Right now, he's actually going through something really tough.

Betty Boop's father is making him divorce Betty Boop because of copyright law. And it's really heartbreaking, and my heart goes out to him. I'm praying for him every day. Yeah, seriously. Well, you know, thoughts and prayers with Mr. Boop. Yeah, it does get quite graphic. It does get quite graphic. You do see Mickey Mouse's penis and balls

in one of the comics. So I just want, well, it's just a warning. Most of it is actually not too graphic, but it did make me see. It's really unfortunate that I immediately was like, oh, I've seen a cartoon with Mickey Mouse's penis and balls before.

Like, I know the information to be. Oh, so this is derivative. Oh, so this is, oh. It's simply an excuse to look at Mickey Mouse's penis and balls. Right, yeah. I've been on DeviantArt. I've at Mickey Mouse's penis and balls right yeah I've been on DeviantArt I've seen Mickey Mouse's penis and balls yeah yeah it's a vehicle for Mickey Mouse's C&B

yeah good for him well okay I'll have to check that out there's so many good like web comics alright it's really like I just even the one I just read it's I just like the imagination of someone who's going there and then just all of the societal ills that go along with the envision for this cartoon is really like fascinating um

finally katie what is something what's a myth what's something that people think is true you know to be false or vice versa vice versa rather yeah so i actually kind of i think something that a lot of people are thinking about more now that we're all in quarantine is our interaction with wildlife especially backyard wildlife and people will often find like little birds baby birds on the ground and there's this panic of like well i can't touch it uh because then the mother will reject it and but it's like on the ground and i see its nest so what do i do like how do and i want to reassure people you can pick up a hatchling and put it in its nest and the mother's not going to reject it the mother they don't really like

the in general birds don't use their sense of smell that way they don't like smell human on their chick and then reject them based on their smell. They may like avoid, if they see you near the nest, they may like keep their distance for a little while because they see a human around, but they'll come back. So if you see a hatchling on the ground or even like a whole nest that's fallen on the ground, just kind of like try to figure out where it came from

and put it back as close as you can to where it seems to have come from. If you find a fledgling on the ground, you may not need to actually interact with it. It kind of depends. If you see, it's a small bird, but it's got its feathers coming in and it can

hop and fly around. If it's got that furry feather face that's all fluffy and shit. If it's actively that furry feather phase, like it's all fluffy and shit? Yeah, like if it's kind of actively trying to escape you, don't chase after it. Oh, right, versus like a translucent skin hatchling that's like... Don't inflict early trauma on a bird.

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, if you can't tell the difference between a hatchling and a fledgling, don't stress too much. Basically, if it just lets you scoop it up, you can scoop it up and put it back in its nest. But if it's running away from you, then I think

you can leave it alone. Like, I'm trying to help you! Get in my hands! Have you seen those videos, though, where people at funerals, the pastor's holding a dove to release, but they held it too tight, and they're like, and his spirit will fly like this pastor's holding a dove to release, but they held it too tight and they're like, and his spirit will fly like this dove.

And like you throw it up and it just like flops right back down. It's like, oh, you were squeezing it too hard during the sermon, sir. And then there's just like following a little dove funeral. Yeah. And it's like,

there are some that are so epic because like there's one where this pastor launches it and it just goes up in the air and just like the arc's like oh no uh just you know just some haphazard you know you hate to see it but just a little relief sometimes the um wait so where did that myth come from because i always grew up sort of thinking like it'll that's the worst thing you could do for that little bird is like it will fully be abandoned.

Like, what is that based on some like mammal logic or something? Probably. I mean, I think it is true with some animals like mammals. You don't necessarily want to get your smell on the babies or mess with them because it may kind of freak out the parent a little bit i don't think it's i just don't think there's going to be a lot of cases where merely having sort of a slightly different smell is going to mean the parent is going to reject their offspring right i do think like it may come from the fact that sometimes animals do reject their offspring for mysterious reasons yeah like not making varsity basketball. Exactly. Or getting first chair in the band for trumpet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Joining theater. Yeah. Exactly. Not getting a five on your AP chemistry test. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Cosplaying. Yeah. Not getting the oboe solo. I get it. I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Mammals are. Yeah. But that's just. Yeah. But we know that because that's how mammals are. And we know that's how that.

Looking like a quote unquote little tool as you're playing the French horn. Yeah, no, we all relate to this. Yeah, being a little tool. The giraffe on the dance team. You know, it's like all universal mammalian experiences. Universal mammalian, yes, exactly. But a kind of second part of the myth is I think people take it to the other direction where they're like, say, like, don't worry about picking up nestlings and fledglings

because birds don't have a sense of smell. And that's actually not true either. Some birds don't really have that great of a sense of smell, but other birds actually do. And so it's an overgeneralization to say no birds can smell. I'm sorry. But sorry, not sorry. Sorry, but we don't deal with absolutes here. Right, exactly.

Only Sith deal in absolutes. Thank you. Um, and, uh, turkey vultures are so good at tracking smells of like decaying flesh because they're scavengers. There have even been cases where oil pipeline engineers will pump a chemical that smells like rotting meat, and then they watch where the turkey vultures go and congregate at and use it.

It's like, oh, there's a leak right there, because they can smell the rotting meat. Oh, shit. Wow. Yeah. I like that. Facts and knowledge. This is why Katie comes on and blesses us with her knowledge

every people who don't know you're not just a hobbyist you enjoy this is a bit of an area of study at least just generally in the biology the sciences that's why we can that's why i call you for medical advice and you keep saying wow i should i'm i'm not the person to tell you this and i'm like but if you could smell this scab I feel like you would tell me what to do about it. Does it smell like almonds? Because that's gangrene. Or you spilled almonds on you. Smoked almonds or natural uncooked almonds.

If you taste toast you're having a stroke. Which one is the one when you're having a stroke? Are you eating toast at the time? The scab doesn't taste like almonds. Okay. So, as far as I can tell.

Does it taste like toast, though? Oh, no, no, no. God, that would be absolutely a weird scab at that point. It's very, like, salty. We'll get into that later while our listeners dry heave, but first we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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removed or mail drop boxes being moved, overtime being canceled. There's just mailboxes being fully just locked in place. Yeah, right. And just like, sorry. I mean, I know There's just mailboxes being fully just locked in place. Yeah, right. And just like, sorry. I mean, I know it's a mailbox, but that's not what this does anymore. It's a reminder of what this country kind of was before. It's now a statue to a time where freedom existed.

I've also seen like, and this is very anecdotal evidence, but people on Twitter posting mail trucks being towed off and it's hard to know what that means because it's like it could just be people are extra aware right now of stuff happening with post office and like maybe mail trucks get serviced and get towed all the time but on the other hand it's like does seem like a lot of people are seeing this and that's a little bit alarming so yeah it's it's it it's one of those things where it's like, maybe there's a few cases of things that are just normal.

Like, oh yeah, this is getting serviced. It's normal. But then like, there's all this other stuff going on and people point to like the normal maintenance as evidence that like, oh, but then it's okay that we're like dismantling sorting machines, which we don't typically do. And it's okay that we're like dismantling sorting machines which we don't typically do and it's yeah it's very frustrating when you just look at the what a sorting machine does right it's to

basically you run through just massive quantities of pieces of mail through this thing uh then they say about with a machine that has two operators can sort up to 30,000 pieces of mail a day. If it's one machine, two operators to do that by hand would require 30 postal workers. So it's all it's creating all of these massive inefficiencies to, you know, essentially slow things down to the point where like the actual ballots can't be delivered on time to meet the deadlines to be counted. Yeah. It can't even be delivered from the government to people on time. So it's like, it's not even that, like if you get your ballot and the minute it gets in your hands and you fill it out and then turn it in within the hour, it could still not be counted, which is insane. And also, nobody should be expected to have to be waiting by their mailbox

to fill it out and turn it in as quickly as possible. Yeah, and unfortunately, that's the game we're playing. Just floating a theory, I think that they might be doing this on purpose. Who? The Democrats? I think that it might be done on purpose. No.

No, I know. Yeah, maybe you're right. You're so cynical, Jamie. You're so cynical. Hold on. I do think Barack Obama is behind this and he is doing this on purpose. Miles, are you accused since we last spoke? No, it is kind of, I mean, this whole situation is fully terrifying. One of the only bright spots I've been able to identify for those that are voting by mail

is that you can still take your mail-in ballot to a voting site. And so if you're trying to avoid lines, you can drop it off. But even the fact that that has to be like a galaxy brain workaround in an attempt to get your vote counted is just absurd. Like, it's ridiculous.

I mean, I think it is important. It's like, don't let this make you feel like, oh, I just can't vote then because they're like, make it, let this make you feel like, oh, I just can't vote then because they're like, make it let it make you angry enough to jump through the hoops to vote. Because obviously, you know, they're going to these great lengths to stop you from voting. And that should tell you something about how important it is for you to actually jump through those hoops and vote. It shouldn't. It's not fair, but we have we just have to do it safely. Jump through the hoops and vote it shouldn't it's not fair but we have we just have to do it safely jump through the hoops yeah right and do the do the work it takes to make yourself the

requisite amount of uncomfortable that you actually begin to care about it uh because there's definitely a group of americans uh that are socio-economically not really it doesn't matter uh because nothing is really that big of a deal for them because they operate in this space where they can have their incomes. Nothing's really disrupted. There aren't many existential threats because they may not be part of a marginalized community who are like, I don't know, whatever, is that bad? Yes, it's very bad. And if you haven't been thinking that much, it's probably because you've had the privilege of being comfortable enough that these things don't matter at all because they just don't reach you. And that's the point is now we need everybody to say, even if that doesn't reach me, it reaches somebody I know.

And that is good enough for me to make this an issue that I care just as strongly about. with Pelosi bringing the House back. We have representatives Hakeem Jeffries and Ted Lieu are now calling for a formal criminal inquiry into the Postmaster General and his cronies. In this letter that they signed, they said, quote, there is overwhelming evidence that Postmaster General DeJoy and the Board of Governors have hindered the passage of mail. At least 19 mail sorting machines, which can process 35 35 000 pieces of mail per hour have been dismantled over six and have been dismantled and over 671 are slated for reductions later this year so yes i think they're on to something they're asking the fbi hey this seems i don't know like felonious um yeah also also the postmaster General DeJoy

More like DeSad Or DeStroy Nice We're working on it We just had to learn who the Postmaster was last week Give us some time But he's actually owned stocks in competitors to the post office, including Amazon and other contracting mail sorting contractors. So it's like, cool. He owns stocks in competitors to the post office.

That seems that's legal. No, I mean, it's absolutely bad. Right. That seems that's legal. No, I mean, it's absolutely bad. Right. The most bad shit, you know, where you're like, yeah, I'm here to destroy this on behalf of my competitors that I'm invested in. Sorry. And also what I know about the poll service. I don't know.

I'm a fundraiser that, you know, was, you know, kissing the president is behind so much that he was. Yeah, I know. The postmaster general. I mean, I'm sorry. Roastmaster General Jeffrey Ross. Postmaster General, I mean, I'm sorry, Roastmaster General Jeffrey Ross. God.

It's like that old Gary Larson cartoon where it's the brick that's been thrown through someone's window and then it's got an ad flyer on it that says, For like a window service? Yeah, bricks through your window, call 1-800-NEW-WINDOWS. Right. Except democracy is in the balance and authoritarianism is coming. Yeah, without enough people. I mean, it is here. It's more like, okay, how much can we stamp out the embers

before we're fully engulfed in those flames? It's a beautiful gradient of authoritarianism. I am glad to see that Democrats are calling it out and trying to get some action taken and that people are being very vocal about it. it seems to at least have been slowing the plans but this is this is one of i think the issues of 2020 where in so many cases there has been a huge banding together of people and in this situation i feel like people are kind of struggling of like what can we do to help?

Like everyone's like, I'm going to text a number. I'm going to buy a crop top. Like, is that going to save the post office? I'm going to buy a costume for my puppy. Now, Jamie, what if I buy two crop tops? If you buy two crop tops, congratulations, honey. Now you're the Postmaster General. Buy two crop tops and now you run the Postal General. Yeah. Buy two crop boxes, buy two crop tops, and now you run the Postal Service. Yay.

But it is, I mean, this is one of the, I think, situations in 2020 where it seems like even people who are really motivated to want to do something, no one really knows what to do. Well, because it's such a nonpartisan just service, you know? Yeah. And it's like, how the fuck? Wait, what do you mean? How is a politician taking shots at the Postal Service? is in just service you know and it's like how the fuck wait what do you mean why are you how

how is a politician taking shots at the postal service it's guaranteed in the constitution like even the people that it's just like there's no i i don't know i mean i think that runs afoul of like everything i think that this is uh this trump presidency is really stress testing our democracy in uncomfortable ways because i think it does show that there is not enough check on the power of the executive that a lot of it is just sort of like quote-unquote gentlemen's rules where it's like oh they just fuck that to not to do this because they don't want to become unpopular or something but when that means that when someone who's an authoritarian um you know comes in then there's like what there there aren't things in place to actually stop them from doing stuff from this and i really right so it's my hope

that first of all that trump loses shits himself on national television falls over cries and then his heart and then blows away in the wind like right right exactly like a like a spin balloon yeah and then he just turns to dust yeah whatever it is yeah and then like lion king and it spells sex yeah actually it smells sound effects. Actually, SFX? Is that what it was? It's S-F-X-ish to almond. Wait, what? Is that what the... Okay, so I hate to... People don't listen to this podcast because we stay on point.

Jamie, we need help. The Lion King, there's that moment. It's like Simba, right? Just flops on the cliffside and dust blows away and people say it spells sex. There's an argument people say it spells SFX. But what Jamie and dust blows away and people say it spells sex and there's an argument people say it spells sfx but what jamie and i sweatily and simultaneously belted out is that it's actually sfx uh yeah which is now we're crying because uh it reveals because we um actually in un wow wow um but but uh yeah but yeah i mean my hope is trump gets out of office uh

turns to sex or sfx dust right exactly and then after that we actually like yeah okay so if biden gets in then we could actually maybe do some work to fix our democracy because right now it gives way too much power to the executive i mean i mean it's like you if you feel you're like oh well biden's not too crazy like he's not gonna you know mandate that we all have to wear like speak chinese because that's what will happen if biden's president according to our leader, Donald Trump. Right, right, exactly. But it's like, you know, well, I mean, that's hilarious because like Biden has been very like kind of intense in his criticism of China, which, you know,

I don't know if we necessarily want a Cold War with China. That may not be a good thing, but that's a conversation for another day. Hey, just put that on the uh on the coming attractions list as we watch 2020 end of 2020 2021 come by hot take maybe cold war bad yeah more at 11 more at 11 but you know it's like it's like well okay so biden's maybe not a crazed dictator right but we shouldn't relax because we actually have to start fixing it oh yeah we're not done because like trump you know like blessedly is very stupid if someone like trump gets in who's actually competent and smart we are so incredibly fucked like it's

we really have it's it's not something we can relax about. Hopefully, fingers crossed, once Trump gets out of office, we have to be like, yeah, we have to prevent future presidents from just being like, oh, you don't want to vote for me? Post office canceled. Votes canceled. Yeah, like, what the fuck? Yeah, and all the arguments about it being a loser business-wise. I mean, Elizabeth Warren was calling on fucking Mitch McConnell to say like,

hey, asshole, why don't you bring the Senate back too? We have so much business that is unattended to from the Postal Service to actually supporting people financially during the economic fallout of this pandemic, which no one has bothered to extend an ounce of empathy towards working people. I haven't talked about that in a week. He's like, well, he's like, we're going to go on vacation until September 8th. And it's like, oh, are you fucking serious?

Because then what happens for people at the end of August, but this is the chaos that they like to sow. Yeah, it's like rent freezes are being, or not rent freezes, but like, the moratorium is on evictions. Eviction freezes. There's an estimated 30 to 40 million people facing eviction in the coming months. Right.

And we'll see what happens then, because I also don't feel like American people are going to be that willing to be like, okay, it's going to force me out the house. Yeah. And then what are you going to do? You're going to bring cops to force people out and then probably what their neighbors are going to come to support them. It's going to be interesting if they really want to do banks versus people uh but we'll see what happens there uh the other thing is so trump with all of this even though like last week he out loud from his mouth

was like yeah i'm doing it to to stop the the mail-in voting because it's going to be fraud like just completely was like yeah that's the logic behind dismantling the postal service. I'd lose if people could vote. What are you fucking dumb? I'm not going to. What do you mean? Hey, asshole, did you see? I lost by 3 million last time. Fucking 40 million votes in 2016.

If I can nullify that, I'm in, baby. So he's now saying his quote on this is now, quote, we're making it so it's going to be good. And we're going to take care of our postal workers above all. We're not firing people. But the way they ran that thing for many years this isn't a trump thing this has been one of those disasters one of the world one of the world wait this has been one of the disasters of the world the way it's been run it's been run horribly and we're going to make it good now what am i supposed to do let it continue to run run badly? So if you fix it, they say, oh, he's tampering with the election. No, we're not tampering. No. Are you tampering with the election? No.

Make it good? Run horribly? By affecting its efficiency as an organization, a service to move our pieces of mail around? You don't talk about, again, the military or police. Oh my God, the way that thing was run. I mean, it was run so badly. You could say that about, again, the military or police. Oh, my God, the way that thing was run. I mean, it was run so badly. You could say that about that, too, especially with the amount of spending that they do. The spending we're talking about for the postal service is to keep people employed so they have benefits, not so they have golden toilets in the fucking Pentagon. And also, they're the only government agency that is required to pay pre-fund pension, what is it, like 50 years in advance? Right.

Which is something that was like George W. Bush set into motion in 2007. Basically, it was an attempt to kill the post office. Yeah, lovable George W. Bush, who's like painting now, don't you miss him? He started killing the post office yeah also i love the pattern we see with trump where it's like he's just like yeah i'm gonna cheat and then his a's are like you can't say that you can't say that he's like make it good make it better make it good do good do make it good on the post what you don't want me to make it good oh okay so i'm bad because i make it nicer

i've also seen some some commentary on how i mean how even uh the like left-leaning media or i mean i guess you can't but whatever whatever that's even leaning media that leans uh in some direction you know it has the way that they have been uh talking about this issue just even the word choices are are very bizarre and kind of anti-post office where um it says like well the post office only loses this amount of money like but it's like no it doesn't lose this amount of money it costs this amount of money because it's a constitutionally guaranteed service. That way you don't pay $1.79 to send a fucking letter. Right.

And also the Pentagon loses way more money. And they also lose wars. That's kind of the retort. It's like the military doesn't, no one ever says the military loses money even though the military constantly loses the American people money. We the military constantly loses you know the american people money we need that kill strike drone well yeah yeah we need it's a pretty penny

so it's just like another kind of bad faith framing of what the situation is in the first place yeah yeah and it's about it's basically and i i get that frustration to jamie where it is buying into the language that they're using. So you're already starting off from sort of like, oh, well. You're playing ball in their park. Right, exactly. They're like, poop is one of the best foods. And then you're like, well, it's actually not the best food.

It's not a food. It should be like, yo, this idiot is calling poop food. Right, right. That should be like the news coverage. calling poop food right like that should be like the news coverage what the fuck are you talking about no get out of here that's not even real galaxy brain like okay so you're saying it does lose money you're like no i'm saying it costs you know yeah or what they do is they say the thing out loud and then try and have a rebuttal that brings that point i was like but it's service. Therefore, it should just be as aggressively on its face rejecting

these arguments because this is constitutionally guaranteed before anything else. Let's not forget that. I mean, it's like saying, oh, feeding children loses money. So it's bad. I mean, what do they make? Paying for anything is losing money if you want it

to be viewed in a particular way. It's just sneaky and i don't like it well i mean one news service that i think we can lean on or at least the president does lean on is one america news uh they are the absolute bottom of the horse shit barrel when it comes to quote unquote news um and you know when you look at his like with Trump's relationship with Fox News, it's a very like it has like real housewives levels of tumult at times. It's like they love him. They hate him.

They'll ask an easy question, which goes wrong. And then he's like, they're fucking haters for asking me something like, what would I do in my second term? Or like they'll ask him hard questions where like, you know, Wallace just be like what you're saying makes no sense and these sound like lies uh so he you know he vacillates he's always he loves him hates him we never know what's going on but over the weekend he took a shot at old fox news again and had to let it know tweets on uh what is this sunday uh at fox news is not watchable during weekend afternoons it is worse than fake news cnn i strongly suggest turning your dial to at oann one american news

network they do a really quote fair and balanced job um and so if you think of like what they did over the weekend it's just they say the things that Trump always wants to hear. So like all they deal is conspiracy theories and straight up misinformation that basically makes Fox news look like pro publica. Like when you compare the two and you're like, wow, these people are actually dealing in like words that exist. And so anything that's like on the conservative talking point,

bullshit buffet, OANN like serves up like heaping fucking servings to be like birtherism. Yeah. George Soros is Antifa. Antifa is going to murder your fucking pets. Give hydroxy cut a chance or whatever. Hydrox cookies or hydroxychloroquine, whatever the fuck it is. Like they're all in on all this shit.

Just like Mad Libs. Yeah. Everything I've seen on there looks like a mad lib yeah right the weekend though was really telling because like they just ran this whole piece on like george soros and like just drumming up more anti-semitism and relating that to the people who are against trump it's just so you know please uh don't don't do yourself the disservice of ever cast you know having your eyes cast upon anything that they're talking about uh so you know we we shall see how that goes i don't know if that's actually going to change anything fox news does uh but that'll be an interesting moment

to see if like how on board trumpers are with him versus fox and if some people watch one american news and they're like that's a bit too far for me. At least they pretend it's news on Fox. This is like high school news show. I couldn't even trace a sentence in that broadcast. Try again. I feel like they're going to run some very reassuring Trump-specific news stories. It's actually normal not to be able to bend your knees, and it's good, too. What kind of mushroom should your penis look like?

A urologist explains. Yeah. It's okay if your farts go inside. Oh. That's normal, actually. Whoa, is that? Listen, people with mushroom-shaped penises can be socialists, too. Right.

That's true. I know. I'm just, okay. I don't mean to even bring that up. It a it's a cheap shot as a salacious headline but you can't be a socialist and have your fart go inside that is socialism that's true yeah socialism is when your fart goes back i'm not joking somebody's gonna say some shit like that and i don't even whatever uh we don't even, whatever. We don't have time for that anymore.

And just give it a material. Let's just move on to the little white supremacy fuckery roundup. Woo-hoo! It's the white supremacist roundup. So first up, I just, this, Laura Trump, who is, Oh, this who is this is which one is she? The Eric or Eric, Eric's wife. She was on Fox.

I guess she's, you know, I guess you didn't get the memo, but she had a very, very, very interesting take on Joe Biden's pick for VP. on joe biden's pick for vp now i i we did talk about this when uh kamala harris was announced that you know once the once the once this thing entered the conservative takosphere it was only going to turn into just you know the most disgusting kind of you know anti-black misogyny birtherism nonsense you've ever heard and now i I'm just going to play this wonderful clip of Laura Trump and her take on what that means for Joe Biden to pick a woman of color as his running mate. It's not going to work now. I, for one, was insulted when months ago Joe Biden came out and he said, guess what? It's going to be a woman who's my running mate. Let's not worry about qualifications. Let's not worry about what they bring to the table.

If these people want to stand up for equality, people in this country will never be fully equal in their eyes until they stop pandering for votes and playing identity politics. So it didn't even matter who it was going to be. Women in this country were already insulted. Cool. Speaking on behalf of every woman ever. I mean, this is I mean, this is a lie because I'm actually the one who speaks for all women. Yeah.

Yeah, Katie's been doing this for years. You bitch. I'm the CEO of women. Duh. I mean, this is just like... I mean, it is such clear bullshit that it's... And so... I mean, what is that?

I mean, what is... But I just... Just a light Google of Lara Trump. She's already I mean, it almost goes without saying she's receiving one hundred eighty thousand dollars a year from like she's on the Trump payroll. Like she's just doing a little PR campaign to discredit however she can. It's just it's a family business. It's a family owned business. Yeah. discredit however she can. It's just a family business. It's a family-owned business. Yeah.

Sycophants who absolutely know nothing. Did you know that her son is also named Eric Trump, but they call him Luke? Wait, hold on. There's an Eric Trump, so they have a junior? That's Eric Trump Jr.? Eric Trump Jr., but it says on her Wikipedia page,

on September 12th, the couple's first child, Eric Luke Trump was born. Eric Luke Trump. Okay, Luke Trump. Hate that. Well, anyways, this was, yeah. I hate that I had to remember who this was. Just an amazing way to spin around this moment to be like, I mean, wow, you've discriminated against white women, other white men.

Like Eric Trump also went on to suggest like you just cut. The subtext is like, why? Why do that? Like, why not actually just be open? Like, why say you're going to be inclusive from the beginning? like why not just use your flawed biases that get you to the point that keep women and people of color out of the race uh to apply that logic here to continue this cycle of just uh right privilege like and the bad faith suggestion that like the biden campaign wouldn't be checking qualifications of women and people of color like what are you like look talking about? Like, look at y'all ticket. Look at your, anyway, so they successfully pwned the lips.

They, well, what they did is actually they got like one of those like bingo, like number rollers. Right. But just like put the faces

of just random women on it and like rolled it around. Just like, and here it is. Oh, shit. No resume required. The other thing

I just want to mention is Leslie David Baker, who played Stanley in The Office, seminal show, which I've had a lot of- He's in a new Honey Nut Cheerios commercial, too. He is? Oh, good. Yeah. Get those national ad bucks, Leslie David Baker.

Oh, yeah. You know, he was the one, the black black man on uh like who worked in the office obviously there was there's many other people of color on the show but specifically with stanley he sort of represented the fed fed up black person navigating the intensely toxic work environment um and he decided to do you know he's like okay let me people like my character i want to do my own spin-ff about Stanley. I think the fans would be interested too. And he announced on Kickstarter, I just need $300,000.

I want to get this project going about Stanley and his life in retirement. I have all these ideas and it'll be great. And if you like the character, this is for you. And the moment he announced this, he just got hit with a ton of racist messages and comments that he then reposted and was like, this is what it's like. Even just me saying, Mike, his character wasn't even controversial in the office. You know what I mean? Stanley barely

got his time to really shine on that show. Already, he was taking screen grabs of people saying the most vile, and I know you can imagine what kind of racist things he was on the receiving end of for talking to show, accusing him for this and that just really shitty stuff. And a lot of people were like when he came out with it, he showed it. A lot of people showed support.

He he blew past the three hundred thousand dollar goal he was trying to raise. So that's that's locked. Sure. Everyone wants to see that. Yeah. Yeah. And like some person was like, it's the it the nerds on reddit that are getting you your money so don't think you you shouldn't get a handout again like the logic was so fucked up so then when they asked him on usa today he was like you know you posted a lot of these messages and like some of the images that came along you know what was your sort of rationale in that and his answer was this and i think it's really important to keep this in mind i said quote we think that the old photographs that we see of people being

persecuted on the way to school in the South and trying to vote in the 60s, we think of all these people have died out. They haven't died out. They got married. They had children. They had grandchildren, great-grandchildren. But they took those beliefs with them. And in many cases, they have not altered those beliefs. And you can tell just by the way these messages were written, you thought this was someone coming from like, you know, Alabama in like 1959. It was like really, really awful shit. about, I don't know if it's the show, The Office itself, because for a long time, Michael Scott's character gave cover for this very ignorant way of looking at the world that if it was just innocent enough, it was okay because you never made anyone cry or no one got physically hurt,

but your worldview is very ill-informed and narrow. Then I'm like, yeah, because I wonder, it has such a broad base that even if you did have these problematic worldviews and even the show calls it out as being like problematic that it's still just enough to be like ah but you know it's in good it's not they didn't really mean nothing by it uh but it allows like sort of this mentality to still you know flourish it's a it's odd i'm my relationship with the show has began to change a bit over the years every time i poke fun at the office fan base i just get uh so many twitter replies and i don't want to deal with it i will say that it is one of those shows that it's like if you are not

seeing the satire in it yeah you can still enjoy it uh which i think is like kind of uh interesting about the michael scott character if you don't understand that the writers are criticizing him you can still enjoy the show and just be like oh i think it's funny because he is saying something racist sexist and on and on and on right and you know people can laugh at it of like oh the show's clearly criticizing it but you can also hear that same joke not really see it as criticism and also enjoy the show so like yeah michael scott gets it you know what i mean which is like oh yeah yeah like we're not watching the same show someone says what i'm thinking like that but that kind of shit like

that's i mean a lot of broad-based shows have that i don't know i it's well i think the thing that bums me out when i watch the office it's almost like when he says that shit you want the characters to be like yo michael not kill that shit what you're saying right now is so fucked up like don't talk about oscar being mexican in the context of whatever or him being whatever how he identified like his sexual identity like this is all like in a world now it's like yeah it's like this thing where like we allow we don't want to rock the boat or make people uncomfortable or uncomfortable that like people talking like that has allowed to proliferate where it's like now you almost watch it like, no, we have to do different. Like we actually can't operate in an office type world. Like if someone's making some saying some wild, ignorant shit about a coworker, like everyone needs to be like dead that. Because I think in the office, the punch line is the viewer's discomfort yeah that's like the

punch line is your own discomfort of like you know and you see like oscar everyone else is cringing to yeah but if right but if you don't feel the discomfort you're not gonna get it you're just gonna be like it's funny to make fun of gay people or to exactly so it's like he made him kiss like right right that like yeah and i think it's interesting because i think that there is value in creating a character who's not evil but who is racist because a lot of racist people are not evil caricatures they can even be affable and charismatic but they're still extremely racist and wrong. And I think it's like there's value in like showing someone like a character who's like, you know, not just like sort of like snidely whiplash-esque villain.

Yeah. But who is racist and then examining that. But I don't know if The Office necessarily completely succeeds in that. it's not. I think depending on how savvy you are, I think the people who would get upset when they would hear me criticize the office are the people who understand that Michael Scott is problematic. And the fun is how awkward it gets, just like how the UK office is like that too. But then I think there are other people who are like, But then it's like, you know, it's like that was.

But I think the UK office is a great example of like, you know, like Ricky know it's like that was but i think the uk office is a great example of like you know like ricky gervais is in charge of that show and he has every horrible opinion about everything yeah now you're like you can make fun of that guy and also still kind of be that guy like i don't know it's very i'm i'll read someone's thesis paper on this shit uh it's very interesting but i think yeah you can you should be able to criticize this show and its handling of these issues without being like well no that's the joke it's like well but jokes if you're using jokes to examine something important something socially important you should be open to critique about how successful your joke actually is and

it's like yeah like different reads of it. Yeah. Right, exactly. I think it just, that show, like, it was able to operate in a very specific time culturally for us where, like, I still, there's so many things that make me laugh, but I look back at the mindset I had now or then versus now, and I'm like, there's certain things I'm like, like, I feel like in the real version, the real life version, it was easy for me to be

resigned to the fact that there were misogynistic racist people who ran offices and we had all experienced that but we were living in a time where it you weren't really pressing back against that it was just like oh shit you weren't really encouraged yeah yeah i can't really do nothing about it yeah yeah and that's what that show captured i think like that very specific moment where you can be confronted by these things but but also not feel empowered to do something. I think now we're entering a very different time where more people I feel inclined to protect each other to like speak out. And I think that's where I'm beginning to see like a bit of a difference of how I'm looking at like right the climate you know yeah oh just it was it was funnier before Jim became CIA I would say oh man yeah I mean I said it before I say it again fuck John Krasinski what an uh what an annoying person hey he got the bad girl I wonder I I do wonder of like you know if the office was still coming out today I wonder if if there would be more pushback on that.

I think part of why the world is like, oh, obviously you love Michael Scott and everyone loves Steve Carell, but there is always that energy to the show of even when he's the worst person in the world, at the end of the day, we're all a family. And that doesn't play anymore. Right.

Right. That's the thing is I don't care enough. I like the show. I'm like, I just don't care enough about it now. My relationship is completely altered in the last year with that show. I can quote everything about that show, but I look at it and I just have this deep discomfort of thinking of how powerless I felt in the face of racism and misogy have this deep discomfort of like thinking of like how powerless I felt in the face of like racism and misogyny and hatred and shit like that and I'm like fuck man like I

wish I could do like and now we're in kind of you know as I get older I have more experiences I'm like my relationship to these environments is much different so it's not entertaining me the same way it's not fun that makes sense but and it's like not just that we're all a family that he doesn't have to change to be accepted back. Right. It's like, well, he means well, so that is a fill-in for him having to change his behavior. Sort of the Archie Bunker thing where, yeah,

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and we're back and oh my goodness we have we have some news we have to really get into um so ellen degenerate she is ellen degenerate we don't know is she is she a meanie is she uh i'd like to call her she's a meanie generous thank you oh are you are you katie perry coming to her defense ashton kutcher said she was nice so i guess she's nice you're like ashton Kutcher said she was nice, so I guess she's nice. You're like, Ashton Kutcher made $250 million off of Uber. As a celebrity, as the CEO of women, she actually treated me really well. Oh, okay. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I worked at a bookstore.

I think maybe I've said this before, but I used to work at a book soup in West Hollywood. And one time Ellen came in and they had to empty the store and we had to like not look her in the eyes. So she's for sure. Seriously. Even when you shot. You know, she shopped. She was like an understanding she had with the store. Is she like.

I don't know. Tell more Billy Zane stories. Is she like a shark? Billy Zane's an angel from heaven. Is she like. Billy Zane stories. Is she like a shark? Billy Zane's an angel from heaven.

Is she like, it's like with certain animals, like a moose. Like you're not supposed to look a moose. Oh, right, because it's like you're challenging it. Right, you don't want to challenge. Like don't puff your chest up around the silver back. It will rip your arms off. Right, right. Yeah, don't show your teeth to like, yeah, certain, yeah.

The other person at that bookstore who they would empty the store out for and you weren't supposed to look at him was elton john but i was kind of thrilled by that yeah i get he's earned that well it'd be because you'd get lost in his eyes you'd get lost in his eyes literally they would never find you they'd never find your body i'm pretty sure elton john is kind of mean at times, but still, I enjoyed it. Yeah. With Ellen, you know, the celebrity defenses, unfortunately, seem to have made things worse

because it just sort of underlined just showing, yes, people who exist at a certain place financially and are no longer interacting with people of different backgrounds, you get this weird worldview. She doesn't hate people. She hates poor people. She hates attention more specifically from the broke and downtrodden. So that's what's going on there.

So Anne Heche has been going around. People are like, Anne Heche, you were with her. You're one of her famous exes. What is going on? What is your contribution to Ellen is the devil conversation? What do you have to say? And this is her quotable from an interview. She said, quote, our time was a beautiful part of my life and one that I wear with honor.

But here's what you really want to know. Yes. Okay, so this is what she goes on. Quote, I haven't spoken to Ellen in years. I'd listen to the people who have, if I'm, and then she says, if I'm standing someplace and I don't like what's going on there and I stay there, it's my fault. So what are the actions that got me there? And why can't I get out of it easily? If that's not something that I want to be engaged in? Ellen is standing where she walks, and that is hers to continue that journey.

I'm not quite sure what... It was like half-victim blaming, but also like the rumors are true. What was he saying? I actually couldn't follow that. This interview was very confusing. I haven't...

I don't know. Anne Heche briefly did stand up in the los angeles area around 2018 uh and go on her stand-up was all about ellen and it didn't make ellen sound nice oh it was yeah for the most part but she has i think she was like dipped her toe in and then was like i'm good and like but i guess she's dabbled over the years. Either way, I mean, I think that this was an attempt at a no sidesy at a non-answer, but it's mostly just confusing. Yeah.

I mean, like I was gonna say, I could understand that response if you're just sort of annoyed that people are coming to you for answers about your ex. But it also sounds like she's wanted to talk to you right so i don't know i mean i guess uh i guess i guess the daily zeitgeist will have to reserve our final judgment on ellen degenerate we don't have a stance quite yet but it's not looking good i really want to speak to the sloth i want to speak to the sloth. I want to speak to the sloth that was on the Ellen show

that they brought out to freak out Kristen Bell. Remember that? Oh, yeah. They brought out a sloth. Kristen Bell started crying. But she loved it, right? Yeah, she loved sloths so much that she started crying and almost died. For Kristen Bell loved sloths so much, she became a landlord.

Oh, don't you love when Kristen Bell is a landlord? Don't you love when Bell Hooks is a landlord? Because everyone's turd. Yeah. Yes, landlord. Yes, slay. Slay those renters. I want to hear what the sloth thinks.

Because I feel like sloths are straight talkers. Oh yeah, no bullshit from a sloth. No, I mean they poop from a sloth. No. They don't have time. They poop once a week. They don't have time for bullshit. They poop once a week? See, this is why we bring you on, Katie, for the sloth facts. I had to sneak in a sloth fact.

Katie. And I'm sorry to go here for people's morning breakfast, but what's the texture like? Is it like a big rock? What do you think it's like? What? A big rock? No, it's just poop. I don't know.

I get excited thinking about like- It's poop texture. Isn't there an animal that has like cube poop? Yes, that is the wombat. Yeah. See, I think that was an episode I was on with you because you were like, I think Miles likes dumb animal poop things. And I called it.

It's a cube? You can build with it? And it's because of the shape of their lower intestines and colon. It just kind of like, you know, factory style, like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and then like smashes it. Yeah, pa-pa-pa-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's like, shh, shh, shh.

These two just like fist-shaped like pumping machines. Yeah, vertically, horizontally, vertically, horizontally. But that's exactly it. That's like research, there were poop researchers that like wanted to find out why wombat poop is a cube shaped and that is why. So there you go. Those are our real heroes.

And you know what? In that sense, Katie, you are one of our real heroes. And with that, thank you so much for coming on. Golden, the golden child. Where can people find you and follow you support you check out your show let us know yeah so creature feature is the podcast idea where you can learn more about animals and sometimes their poop uh and that is yeah that's right here on the iheart radio network and wherever you get your podcasts and then also i am on twitter at katie golden k-a-t-I-E-G-O-L-D-I-N, where you can hear my Katie thoughts.

And also I am at ProBirdRights, where I talk about, you know, how birds are the real people, if we're honest. You know, who's the real people? People or birds? Birds. Thanks. You heard it here first. That's true. Oh, well then I guess you don't have to go to the-

I guess we don't need the Twitter account anymore. Miles just kind of blew it. I guess you can kind of delete it. He rushed the gush. He rushed the gush on the bird news. Rushed the gush. Oh, boy. And what's a tweet that you're liking?

Actually, it has to do with the post office stuff. This is from Captain Sunder at SunderCR who writes, There is a 100% chance that dozens of trust fund Silicon Valley bros are getting together to make USPS replacement startup apps. And they're all going to be called shit like letter or mall. Mall. Oh, my God. I know. The race to privatization is beginning.

I mean, that's the whole part of this thing of completely making the postal service run shittily is to then be like, all right, so let's privatize the fuck out of it. So this 22-year-old entrepreneur is disrupting the mail industry. You're like, no! He's disrupting the lives of rural Americans

who can't get their mail, and he's calling it gamification. Yeah, right. Disrupting mail was the problem to begin with. Oh, boy. What a time to be alive. Jamie, what about you? Thank you for helping me, you know,

just steer this ship into the right port today. As always, an incredible substitute teacher. Dynamic. I'm always in debt to you. you know, just steer this ship into the right port today. As always, an incredible substitute teacher. Dynamic. I'm always in debt to you. Chaos levels were high. Forever in debt to you. Let's throw in a VHS for the rest of the day. I'm good.

Okay, great. And I've got, we'll see what I have here. Oh, well, banned from TV. That's a little too hardcore, I think, for the kids. Oh, yeah. Especially that circus accident one.

Okay, I'll find another tape in the backseat of my Sentra to bring in here. Jamie, where can people find you, follow you? What's the tweets you like? You can follow me at Jamie Christ Superstar on Instagram, Jamie Loftus Help on

Twitter. I'm doing a live stream of a new version of Boss Whom Is Girl this Friday night as part of the Austin Sketch Fest. It's free. You can watch it online. You can get all the links to that are in my Twitter.

Wait, is this the first time you've done this? That you can see this without being there in person? I'm thinking, right? It's not the original show it's a uh 2020 update of my show from last year but you can watch it for free uh on friday night and then possibly after i'm not totally sure so watch friday night to be safe get in get in zeitgang if you have not seen jamie's live show i'm not joking it's it's like some next level shit and the writing is

fantastic the thoroughness of like your research to even make your character is commendable uh and if you if you're limited to just knowing jamie like as being on our show or like listening to her on beckdelcast or what have you watching you perform is a completely different quantity and i feel like if you are if you are a fan you have to watch on friday you have to watch so i'm letting you know oh no 100 i just that's so i i was i was like damn man like i always knew you were like really talented but like actually seeing your show and i'm like fuck bro jamie's next level so don't do yourself a disservice and witness that shit with your eyes. Friday night. I ride a tiny motorcycle.

Oh, shit. Is there still some good cameo clips that you use? Are those still holding up? I've got new cameos. Oh, my God. No, you have to watch it. You have to watch it. You have to watch it. It's everything. You simply must. And then I'll shout out a Caleb Heron tweet,

if it hasn't been shouted out already uh one of my recent faves at caleb says things every week we have to do some new shit that the government was supposed to be handling and make it into a civic duty internet challenge like guys it was honestly so easy and fun repairing roads and bridges today i built two highways. Can anybody match me? My favorite depressing tweet of the week. Oh, man. Okay, so let's see. A couple tweets that I like.

One is from my boy Kev, who was like, yo, check this tweet out because I don't go on Twitter that much. It's from Dan White, at Dan White. It says, role-playing has saved my wife and I's sex life and marriage. We alternate weeks. On my weeks, she pretends to be a sexy French maid who I catch stealing jewelry. It's dark. And another one is from at Sophie underscore MHJ. The Kidz Bop version of WAP is going to be like, there's some chores in this house so shout out to like there's some chores in this house unbelievable oh shit uh so

for all you parents out there please yeah get the get the kids bop version the kids wap version of that uh you can check me out on uh what is that twitter instagram at miles of gray also my other Please, yeah. Get the kids bop version, the kids whap version of that. You can check me out on, what is that, Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also, my other podcast for 20 Day Fiance, talking about 90 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra. Also, The Daily Zeitgeist. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist, on Instagram at The Daily Zeitgeist. We've got a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes, our internets, I almost

said, and our footnotes. Footnotes? Thank you. And, you know, again, the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio, so for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get them casts, okay? Now, you're like, what are we riding out on?

We need some big, weak energy. What are we riding out on? Oh, mate, we've got a bit of a let me just dig back here in the centre. Oh, shit. Just a lot of rappers there from my Nature Valley packed protein bars. Oh, look at this cassette tape. Put it in. Oh, mate,

this is Rock the Boat by Aaliyah, but a remix from Kaytranada. So, this is the k trinada rock the boat remix again oh my god he kind of shifts the beat so some of the you're if you're used to singing the song some of her lines come off the beat you put it down on the ton three it feels really good it's a nice houseified remix so please you know do your chores go to his soundcloud support him get that track there today on spotify and on Spotify, y'all. With that, thanks to everybody

for being here, making this a group effort and a successful group project. I think we got an A. So, I appreciate y'all. Until then, yeah, we'll see you later with a trending episode, and until then, later, y'all. Bye. y'all bye you In California, during the summer of 1975, within the span of 17 days and less than 90 miles, two women did something no other woman had done before. Tried to assassinate the president of the United States.

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