The Daily Zeitgeist - Poutine = Salad? CBS = Continuous Bull S*** 12.18.18

Episode Date: December 18, 2018

In episode 296, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Billy Wayne Davis to discuss Washington Post's wild claim that a hot dog is not a sandwich, KFC's fried chicken fire logs, Rudy Giuliani's dumb defense of Trump's crimes, Ryan Zinke's resignation, CBS paying off Eliza Dushku cause of her harassment claims, how American's are at their loneliest generation, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. A hot dog is a taco. A steak is a salad. A Pop-Tart is a calzone. Let the Cube Rule explain.2. The Gift That Keeps On Giving Off Fried Chicken Fumes3. WATCH: Giuliani: Hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal 'not a crime'4. Interior Secretary Zinke resigns amid investigations5. CBS Paid the Actress Eliza Dushku $9.5 Million to Settle Harassment Claims6. Americans are lonelier than ever — but 'Gen Z' may be the loneliest7. WATCH: Jennifer Lara - I Am In Love Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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New episodes every Thursday. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 62, Episode 2 of Dear Daily Zeitgeist! Yeah! The podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness using the headlines, box office reports, TV ratings, what's trending on Googs and social medias. It's Tuesday, December 18th, 2018.

My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. All the Jack O'Brien and the Miles of Grey. and the Miles of Grey. Listen to a pod with Anna Hosnier. Second rate at best. All right. That is courtesy of Chad A. Blakey

and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Have you heard this second-rated podcast with the hottest takes? Get your ED tips from at Miles of Grey. And listen to the Daily Zeitgeist today. Beautiful. We're all weeping in the studio. Thank you so much to Will Kendrick for that one. You even retweeted it because you're like, this went unseen.

I feel like it must see the light. And I did. So thank you for opening my eyes. He knew it was fire. Yes. Hey was fire yes hey speaking of fireworks we'll be joined in our third seat by one of the faces on mount zypher he is the hilarious comedian hey guys hi man nothing that's a nice watch you got on sorry just take it out of completely go to visual suddenly that's fine i'm proud of it I'm loving it It took a while To find the right one Okay Well it is the right one

It suits you well It's not even right The time isn't right It doesn't work I haven't You know how You could read the Instruction manual

When you get something new Like that Yeah But then you're like I'm gonna figure it out Nah just toss it It's been It's right

I always end up reading The instruction manual For my car Like when I'm about to turn it back in. Really? Like you just want to be like, man. I'm like, oh shit, I could have done that.

I missed out on a lot of stuff. That's what that button's for. Yeah, exactly. Hey, you're right. You can't open the trunk. Okay. Didn't realize. I knew that crease was there.

Damn. Yeah, I didn't, I thought it was a fake trunk. Billy Wayne, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about the thing that is on everybody's mind. The Washington Post article proclaiming a hot dog to technically be a taco, which sounds stupider than it actually is. Somebody worked out a sort of... I think it's appropriately stupid.

Yeah. I don't know if it's stupider than it is somebody worked out a comprehensive like cube rule of food for identifying dishes based on starch locations yeah and it actually makes sense uh we're gonna talk i think it's an argument for overpopulation yeah there you go there we go uh we're gonna talk about trump ending up taking his sister to prom. Yeah, that's what I call Mick Mulvaney becoming chief of staff. I read these headlines as I see them for the first time.

Giuliani. Oh, okay. I was like, okay. Yeah. Sorry. It needs to be delivered properly. And I also figured, I was like, it feels like there's more important things to talk about that he's doing than that.

Right. So, yeah, Mick Mulvaney is going to be his chief of staff, at least acting chief of staff for the time being. We're going to talk about yet another tour de force by Rudy Giuliani on the morning shows yesterday. We're going to talk about Russia, social media fuckery and who they were aiming at. Russia social media fuckery and who they were aiming at and yet more evidence that CBS is a fucking disaster when it comes to

sexual politics. All that and more, but first, Billy Wayne, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? This week I was looking up Invader. You know they got the French artist Invader? Who does a space invader street art yes

uh his prints what they're worth because uh he has a what is it an exhibit downtown i think it's called inside the cube or something like that is that mocha it's no it's just uh it's just in that downtown gallery area okay just like at a gallery yeah. I took my son down there last week and you know when you like, it's LA or like bigger cities when you see a line for no reason in this area of town, you're like and then everyone's wearing Yeezys and Hasbro Lexus, but they're also wearing sweatpants.

Right. So I was like, what is, there's something cool happening. So you just get in line. Yeah, my son and I got in line and then we figured out his prints, they were releasing his prints. Uh-huh. So he only get in line. Yeah, my son and I got in line, and then we figured out his prints, they were releasing his prints. So he only releases 100. And then we stood in line. I was like, we're going to buy one.

And then the price slowly got back to where it was standing. Oh, it's $1,600. I was like, we're just going to go to the museum. Wait, how do you print one of his works? Because it's like usually tiles, right? Yeah, he just prints tiles. Yeah, well, he prints one. Like he prints them. Oh, interesting. It's like it's one of his things. Because it's like usually tiles, right? Yeah, he just puts tiles. Yeah, well, he prints one. Like, he prints them.

Oh, interesting. It's like, it's one of his things, and then he prints. It's a photograph of it, basically. Well, it's a, yeah, it's like a poster. It's poster size. But it's a, but I'm saying his, the way he puts his art up is through mosaic tile, right?

Well, that's what the, yeah, the exhibit is like all his tile redone and stuff like that. Gotcha. And then there's like new stuff on canvas that's really cool. It's awesome. They just extended it through December 30th. I'm not getting paid to say any of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was cool because I liked him, and I introduced him to my son, who's nine, and he was like, this is awesome. And then we see him throughout town. It's really fun. So I was like, I don't have $1,500 to gamble on this. Right. Because I don't know if it's real cool or it's going to gamble on this. Right. Because I don't know if it's like real cool or it's going to be worth money or if it's just like these people are like love this dude. No, they're hypebeasts.

They're there for the resale. I realized after I walked away and I Googled like invader prints and was like, oh no. Right. They're like, I should, can I give blood? You asked your son, you're like, you don't want to go to college, right? Yeah, it was that. Yeah, it was like, yeah, I have $1,500. Right, right, right.

So it was a good deal? You were going to actually make money on it? The next day, they were selling for $35. Damn. That was the next day. That sucks. Yeah. Sorry to hear that.

Well, yeah, just follow the goons in sweatpants and Yeezys. Yeah, so I've been all over the internet. Like, how did you guys, but it's like hype-based. Yeah, I mean, the resale market is like its own thing, which is funny, because I would have told you if you're in line, you just go, hey, what's this reselling at? Because that's the whole reason. I didn't know that I didn't want to mess up.

You know what I mean? Right. You felt like you infiltrated. Everyone seemed to know stuff. Right, right, right. The language they were speaking, I was like, just be cool, son. They're like, yo, these guys are herbs. Yeah, exactly. exactly it was like but people were on the phone like get down here i was like oh something's happening you just called somebody you're like yeah yeah get down i just yeah i don't

know who do i call that knows cool stuff right for people if this whole conversation went by you invader does uh mosaic tile like sort of eight bit looking art of like space invaders characters all over cities all over cities around the world yeah uh and i love it because it is fun like for people that like cities and then it's just like a little hey look at that yeah you notice and you're like oh there's an invader like my son was like i was on a field trip i saw one yeah i was like what street he was like vermont i was like was it this he was like that was it yeah you see in europe, that was it. Yeah, you see him in Europe, Asia. He gets out and up there.

So you seem like a cool dad this weekend, it sounds like. I try to be like, find stuff that we both like that we can share. Because some stuff, neither of us share it, but we have to do it together. Right, right. But he's like talking about what you guys did at school today. That's pretty cool. That's something to aspire to. Yeah, that was probably.

Yeah, that's fucking dope, man. Congratulations. Yeah, instead I'm like, yeah, my dad made me walk with a limp so he could get a discount at the store. What do y'all think of that? Oh, I should have made him. He's another one of these Banksy types

where like his face is a mystery, but according to Google, they know he was born in 1969. That's kind of old, too. But you know that, but you don't know who he is? Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It says born 1969, age 49, but then there's no pictures of his face.

I mean, this is based on a very cursory Google search. Well, no, they don't. And also, every article leads with he's wearing a mask. Anybody that interviews him, they're always like, he smells like cigarettes. I'm like, oh, he's French. I'll check that out. I'll check that out. So he's French. So what anybody that interviews him and they're always like, he smells like cigarettes. I'm like, oh, he's French. Yeah, exactly. So he's French. So what's the question?

Right. Pretty clear. Yeah. So we know he's born in 1969 in French and smokes. In his art, it's like fun.

Right. It's like mix it up. Yeah, I was expecting him to be very young. That's why that detail jumped out at me. And also, it's the only detail we know about him.

His parents think he's a Tyler for a construction company. That's what my parents think I do. What's something you think is underrated? Community. Hey. I love that show.

I think that show is properly rated. The people that love it are properly. I think that show is properly rated. The people that love it are right. And the people that are like, this is fine are also right. Yes. Yeah. Yes. No, but you mean community in the general sense.

Yes. Like just getting to know your neighborhood and like that kind of stuff. And like it builds out from there. And I think we're losing that. We are definitely losing that. I have a whole rant on that in the third section. It's your eye mask ready. Yeah, I spit a lot when I get worked up.

That's something people don't realize. He screams at Kenison. Yeah, there's just spit everywhere. You put a dental hygienist blast shield on. He gets what they call in the midwest real pentecostal yes there's squeegees on the wall in the office just ready to go wait so did you get like have you been starting to get to know your neighbors more just know your like community in terms of your neighborhood or what what's what's what's for this uh well i travel a lot so there's like i've noticed there are a few places I really love going now.

And then what I've realized is they're very original places. Shout them out. Humboldt County, that whole area, the Lost Coast, I love that. Geography kind of makes its own little thing, too. New Orleans. There's a community there that is accepted. Like, this is how this is. If you want to live here you

have to be a part of this and if not go away right but we all know each other it's a small town right uh i like that that those kind of places uh san francisco used to be like that but i don't feel that there anymore which is very strange yeah but i did notice i did a show in san jose which used to be this ghost town of a city. And I was there this week, last week I guess, and I made the joke, I was like, oh, I see what's happening, because San Jose's kind of popping.

Right. And I was like, oh, people can't live in San Francisco anymore, and then they're like, yeah! And I was like, oh, so this is where all the cool people came. Yeah. And so there's like little breweries popping up and all these shows, so I was like, oh, okay, this is where all the cool people came. And so there's like a little brewery's popping up and all these like shows.

So I was like, oh, okay, this is where you guys came. It's like how Philadelphia became cool once all of New York turned into Disneyland. Exactly, yes. Where only extremely wealthy people could live. Yeah, I've read a lot of stuff about this, like that we're now more scared. Like this is the first time the past decade that people are like scared to let

their kids out in their neighborhood because and i think one of the one of the theories was that it's because we just don't know our neighbors anymore right it's like they're as much strangers to you as anyone whereas like people just used to i think it's a lack of boredom i think a lack of boredom is really fucking us because like people used to be like well i don't know let's go talk to that guy who's out on the street walking his dog. No, their kids still have that. Yeah.

But they also have phones and games and shit to take up their time. Yeah, but I think there is something to be said about not knowing your neighbors. Yeah. And it used to be a lot like families lived around each other. So you did kind of know your neighbors yeah and it used to be a lot like families lived around each other so you did kind of know your neighbors right you know what i mean so there's that part of it

and now people are like because of transportation and all that yeah technology you're like no i don't want to live where you can come over to my house right you having to take an airplane yeah yeah exactly but we can still be tight what is something you think is overrated variety variety is over yeah it was very yeah one of the best industry magazines for yes for sure i do think yeah probably yeah i mean that is weird you can tell when people buy stuff in that magazine you're like well this article is paid for. Okay, whatever. This is crazy. No, I mean like. The spice of life. To a certain degree, but our access to it is too much.

Oh, okay, right. So right now we need to scale it back till we learn how to have access to everything. Right, because it's overwhelming now is what you're saying. Yeah, I think society at this point is like a king, like a 13-year-old king where they were like 12, just a 12-year-old,

and then some people died. And then they're like, now you're the king and you have access to everything you could ever want. And they're like, they do a lot of dumb shit. Right.

Yeah. It's just like we have this access to all this stuff and we don't know how to how to deal with it how yeah like properly process like specifically what television your television shows uh news outlets you know what i mean like uh everything's specialized right there's not like you know like i go to this one online store that is just it's not one product it's just for whatever reason it's everything i kind of dig right right which is strange you know what i mean so i don't have to go to these different places

right but it's like also i still love going to record stores and flipping through and finding but then like if there's something like i really really want there's no adventure i just yeah you're like you you just summon it instantly yeah and instead i think what bothers me about it is like instead of using that to gain knowledge and information and make the world better for all of us we use it to buy shit right yeah so it has i think that's it's not variety that's overrated it's the technology and what we're using it for is overrated right that we're losing many other things like we're trading convenience for all these other experiences that that's probably i think that's probably what it is,

what I'm trying to say more than variety is convenience is overrated. Okay, yeah. Yeah, they were saying the average Netflix user spends an average of 18 minutes on a given day deciding what to watch. Yeah, that's me high with food in front of me. Right. Yeah. Until your food's done and then you find something to watch.

Until it's fucking cold. One time I've been like, yo, in my mind, I have this perfect situation where I'm eating something. You gotta know what you wanna watch before.

Yeah, watch. Or it's fucked up. My night is ruined. Yes. You know, Hermasdy and I will fucking knife fight over shit

that we're supposed to watch while we're eating. And like now, yeah, I realize that there is such this, it's like, what is it?

Like, not sensory overload, but like when you have too many options. It's decision paralysis. Yeah, I realize that. There is such this, it's like, what is it? Like, not sensory overload, but like when you have too many options. It's decision paralysis. Yeah, exactly. And it's just like, fuck, man. I remember when Netflix only had like eight things. And I'm like, all right. That's like the four fucking things that are on there.

Now it's everything. Now I don't even know which shitty Christmas movie to watch. Well, I don't like the algorithm because if you like us, like you go on a binge of watching a certain type of thing, then for two months, that's all the type of shows they show you.

Right. So if you don't throw in something different every now and then, you're like, well, I watch everything that Pablo Escobar has ever done. Right, right, right. Which is, if you go on mine,

it's like, you really like Pablo Escobar? That's the benefit of sharing your... I did it for like a week. That's the benefit of sharing your Netflix login because other people will fuck the algorithm up for you like pretty funny okay i should do that for my son yeah but i mean there used to be huge well-paid people who

worked at networks who made those decisions for you they're just like oh i know i can turn on comedy central and i'll get a bunch of ads and it'll be annoying, but at least I'll know that Comedy Central has some shit that I'm going to find funny once every couple 15 minutes or whatever. And now we have this 18 minutes of decision-making added into our lives that used to be boredom and flipping around to other channels to try and get around the ads. And now we have to spend that time trying to decide if we want to watch the

Kurt Russell Christmas movie or the whatever. Well, I remember from like 15 to probably 22, when I turned on the TV, it was like MTV or ESPN were the only two channels. And then whatever was on there, it was like, that's what we're watching. Right. Yeah. And my sister's a like information, like web design architect. And like their whole thing is like, you know, narrowing down the number of decisions. Like you only have like three buttons on any given like screen.

Right, right, right. But I feel like our life is full of, you know, screens with 45 buttons that we have to choose from. And it fucks with us. And if you're just tuning in, this is old guy talk. I'm just sick of it. I'm tired of all of it. Too much? I remember when there were two channels.

Off and on. And the boogles and the hoogles. Who gives a shit? I don't give a shit. What's a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? I think a good myth is that money doesn't buy happiness. As you get older, you realize, I don't know.

I could set up my life if I had a certain amount of money where it would be like, pretty fucking happy about this. That Daniel Tosh joke, he's like, like yeah money can't buy happiness but it can buy a jet ski right right you ever seen me frown on a jet ski it can't be done

it's just it's like I remember thinking about that's not he's just making a joke and then you get older no there's some truth to what he's saying

yeah I mean I remember when Roy in the office had to get rid of his jet skis he lost it he did at the bar I remember

him and his brother lost their shit at the bar they had to give up their jet skis. He lost it. He did. At the bar. I remember him and his brother lost their shit at the bar. They had to give up their jet skis. Yeah. I mean, I could see you frowning on jet ski if you lived in a town where jet ski was the only mode of travel. So you're like, you're going to work on your jet ski. Right. You're going home.

You're on your jet ski. Marco Island, Florida. Is that how it is? There's a lot of channels there. So people- Oh, right. Just get around on a jet ski. Their jet skis are their boats.

I would love to see someone having a tough time on a jet ski or paddle board. It breaks down a lot, so he's got an oar with him. It's like somebody with an old car. Sometimes you have to push it. Hey, can I get a jump real quick, my man? It's okay. This thing ain't turning over. My friend Alex was always talking about making an 80s movie where it was like an evil jet

ski gang was harassing this dude who had a shitty jet ski that broke down on the way to school. I'm like, because that's how those movies operated. You gotta recontextualize jet skis. But yeah, when I do think I have the same thing, I'm like, yo, if I just lived in this little shack and had the internet and like whatever I could, I could be all right for a little bit. Oh,

I could be all right for a long, long time on a mountain top. Yeah. Alone. Yeah. But I mean, I'm also real about like, that's my goal is like Humboldt County.

You can have a farm on a mountain that overlooks the ocean, which I didn't know was an option. And then I went there and I was like, this is a good option. It's like the best option I've ever seen. But then like when I got real with myself, like I would have to have somebody running this farm for me. Right.

Because I would need a balance of like being here and then I would have to go mix it up. Right, right, right. You know. You can't just give your life to the farm, to the mountain. Not yet. Not yet. No, yeah, but like it's a plan to's a plan to eventually become a true hillbilly.

Oh, hell yeah. You know, where you're just like, get off my land. I saw him. I saw him. He doesn't exist. He's a hill. Yeah. I mean, but that's, I think that's what the goal is.

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And then you kind of pointed out to me, Miles, that this is based on a comprehensive cube rule of food and how starches interact with the food that they're surrounding. Yeah, it is. I mean, the is the hot dog a sandwich debate has been something that the internet has been talking about for a long time. I think even Stephen Colbert asked Ruth Bader Ginsburg to weigh in on what her beliefs were.

In the Washington Post, they found they're going off this dude who came up with the cube rule. He basically, this man says there are eight categories of food all defined by the placement of starch. So use the cube as your guideline for how you can define what each dish is. So if

the starch is on the bottom and you have shit on top, it's toast. If you have sandwich on top and bottom, it's a sandwich If you have sandwich on top. Open-paste sandwich. Yeah, on top and bottom, it's a sandwich. If it is a U-shaped starch, it is a taco. If it's a four-sided starch covering with the ends exposed, it's sushi. Like a sushi roll. Yeah, like a sushi roll.

If you just have five sides with an open top, like a bread bowl, that's a soup or salad with bread bowl. So, technically, a pumpkin pie would be a bread bowl salad because of this. Now, if it's completely encased in starch, it's a calzone. Those are the rules that this man

has put out. This is starch-based food. Yes, this is all starch-based food. However, now there if there is starch but it's a mismatch and it's not like in a specific place according to like the visualization of a cube right for example fried rice or mashed potatoes or poutine those are salads uh-huh yeah and so come on fried chicken is a calzone because the breading is all around it? Yep. Yeah. Okay.

I always knew that, that fried chicken was a calzone. By science. Yes. Fried chicken is a calzone. Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's just a very odd way to look at it, but this is someone trying to make sense to be like, well, let's really talk about starch poisoning. I do want to go to KFC. I'm like, give me a bucket of calzone. Yeah, right.

Chicken calzones. Chicken calzones. give me a bucket of calzone. Yeah, right. Chicken calzones. Chicken calzones. Well, I guess by this rule, though, too, if you did a hero that's just a roll just split down the middle, that's a taco then.

Yeah. That's not even a sandwich. Yeah. What is a pita? Because a pita is kind of basically a- That's a bread bowl. Bread bowl on its side. Yeah.

Yeah. A typical lazy bread bowl. Yeah. So these are just very- I like that they went with, for number one, the most important one, the one that they first had to start out with, they went with toast instead of pizza. Yeah.

I think just trying to keep it simple. So pizza is just toast? Yeah, that's toast. Or toast is like a- It's a subcategory. It's part of the toast kingdom. Right. Or an open-faced sandwich, you could call it.

But toast is like a very specific yeah well yeah a lot of these descriptions i'm like does it have to be i guess the sushi is the only way to describe that or bread bowl or calzone yeah no that's my favorite part is when he's like and somebody's like what what's sushi then and he's like well it's just sushi right like he kind of gets stubborn right that's a sushi And a bread bowl What if it's encased Well that's a calzone Yeah but what about this

Fried chicken's a calzone Get out of my office So sushi is not sushi Sushi rolls are sushi But sushi that is just on a piece of Rice on a piece would be toast So sushi is toast And sushi rolls are sushi. Now that you say that, he lost.

I can't. I cannot abide. Yeah, there's a lot of holes in his. I mean, but it's just funny because it's an interesting way to visualize it. But yeah, a lot of, I guess I don't like that we're going to reduce something that's so specific to be like, well, that's toast. Right. Yeah. I don't like that people have to be like, well, what's a hot dog?

It's a fucking hot dog. Yeah. Yeah. Panini is a panini. Yes. Fried chicken is fried chicken. Yeah. That's a sandwich.

Right. Yes. That's a taco. Right. Yes. Weren't we just talking about how people need to be bored again? Yes. So now they're like, how do I figure out laws?

Well, no, but this is what we do instead of boredom. See, there is like a bottomless bucket of shit like this that we can just focus on and think about. This used to be for drunk people. Right. This used to be for drunk people at a bar being like, no, a hot dog's a choco. Right. Except that conversation ended up like, that used to just die right there at the bar and they wouldn't even remember they had it the next day.

Yes. But because somebody had a drunk conversation online, that got preserved and then spread worldwide and now everybody's thinking about it. Yes. And that's what we're thinking about. Viral is the right word. Instead of, hey, I wonder what that neighbor's up to.

Right, exactly. Why does he never come out the front door? I think it's still there, though. He only goes out the back door. I think we're wired more than a lot of people because of where we live i still think like i go back to visit my family in east tennessee and they still know what their people are doing i also think it's very generational for sure but i think i mean also they i think in a small town, Facebook or whatever, that's how they're doing that.

Right. And they grew up around each other a lot of the time. So they know who's... Every time I go back, I don't have Facebook. I have a fan page. But I go back and do a show the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving in my hometown. And I always, when I'm promoting it, I get to catch up on Facebook. Right.

What all my friends are doing. and then it's all right there that's they live I mean it's but they're not doing anything bad it's just like I know who dumped who and all that stuff yeah and it's weird when I'm like hey yeah you're with so-and-so in there how'd you even know that right but that's that's a conversation that would have taken place over beers before Facebook, and now it takes place in a room by yourself like in 20- Yeah, when I'm in Des Moines. In 10 minutes. Yeah, exactly. So it is a lonelier experience still.

It's funny because there were like lawsuits over in Massachusetts that a burrito is a sandwich because a Qdoba, the Mexican restaurant, opened up at the mall food court. And they had an agreement. They said, you're violating the food court contract because he said we would be the only sandwich racket in town. Right. And then they're out here being like, this is – they're like, but burrito is a sandwich. Right. And the judge was like, nah, man, the burrito is not a sandwich. This is, dude.

And the USDA Food Standards and Labeling Policy book describes a burrito as a Mexican sandwich-like product. Uh-huh. It's a Mexican calzone, isn't it? But that's what this man is saying. He's like, nah, this is, he's like, because this guy on Twitter, you can submit things to him and be like, well, what's a gusher? And he's like, that's a calzone. Right. You know what I mean. But no, it's

not because that's not starch. This is what, again, I'm not, you know, I'm not, Miles, it's not. You also send me a question, you're like, what's a blowjob feel like? And he's like, pass. What's sexy? It's like sushi. I don't know what it is. She makes a sushi out of her mouth.

It's a burrito. It's actually a bread bowl. If she does it right, it's a burrito it's actually a it's actually a bread bowl if she does it right it's a burrito but so it's just yeah because he like it's funny because the response is when someone's like well what's a burrito his answer's like that would be a topic of debate it's created with a single tortilla roll by nature it feels like more of a four-sided object i would be willing to consider it as a calzone as well and i like going into business thinking like okay that's i mean that is some like mafia style business practices where you're like yo no one else can do what i'm doing in this area oh yeah right and they're like okay but we're gonna have burritos no no people can

eat those well corporations left to their own devices without regulation immediately become the mob it seems like well that's where they stole their business. Yeah, exactly. Because all the money goes to the top. Right. And then. Yeah. And you just shake people down.

And you align yourself with other goons to protect you from the other ones. And you're so powerful, no one can do anything. All right. We have to get to. Speaking of. Rudy Giuliani. Famous mobster, the president of the United States. We will just mention really quickly that famous Calzone factory, KFC, is selling a Duraflame

log that smells like fried chicken. So that's something to- Check that out. Think about- It's 18 bucks. Yes. But yeah, so- I'm just sorry.

That would be a nightmare if I was high. Don't check that out. Yes. How about not? Just look at it and then go, okay. I would just have a stomach ache the whole time. I'd be like oh god what is this it reminds me it's like a version of that mitch hedberg joke where he's like i just

i want to make incense that smells like cinnamon rolls right to mess with my roommates yeah they they tell you when you're like showing a house that you're about to sell to make cinnamon rolls or cookies so wow he would actually have become a billionaire. He tried to sell them, I think, on his website. Did he really? Good for him. Just toss a KFC log in there. But yeah, let's talk about the mobster in chief.

Consigliere. I think that gives him too much credit. Right. I think he's a mafia pawn. Right. Yeah. I don't think he has the- He's a guy who's not quite a made guy who acts like he's a made guy, but he's not a

made guy. But he has a lot of money. A lot of money. And they do like that about him. Yeah. And they keep him around because they're like, this guy, he'll pay for everything. Yeah. He'll put his name on stuff and then we get all the money.

And then we launder it through him. Yeah. And he just does it for high fives. And he says the funniest stuff out loud. Yeah. high fives he says the funniest stuff out loud yeah uh and then tom hagan with dementia was doing the rounds over the weekend to put together some crystal clear messaging about why donald trump is uh in the words of the president very legal and very cool yeah uh everything he's done is totally not a crime because nobody got killed nobody got hurt we got robbed nobody got

killed nobody got robbed what's the problem here what's the crime uh wow it's amazing that because he's kind of regurgitating the same talking points it seems like this is the plan yeah no because he went he went on uh george stephanopoulos's show and then on fox and basically was like oh okay this is the messaging now which is basically just the same tired shit of like, yo, Michael Flynn got set up because the FBI told him he couldn't lie to them. Or John Edwards also did it. So, or Michael Cohen is a liar. So, you know, and then there are many, all kinds of very painful, painful arguments he made, which was sad because none of the shit that he said makes any legal sense right you know it's purely just a pr tactic to like obscure the truth and just get his base like kind of off balance so he could be like yeah right so even though they

got him basically named in this indictment even though he's not an unindicted co-conspirator maybe they're trying to do too it's like very odd i mean and so it's just him doing i think giuliani like i think the political establishment where it was like beat it right after a while and now he's just like misses it and doesn't know what to do and he can't play anymore right so now they're just like he's like i'll just run interference for you criminals right so i can get back at all this people yeah kick me out of the game like it feels like he doesn't care about trump or anything he's just throwing a wrench in the whole system because it won't let him play anymore right this is all a consequence of nobody wanting to go near trump like during the election

because they didn't think he was going to get elected and he was you know a pariah and then after the election he was like haha fuck all of you none of you wanted to come near me and the only people who are left don't aren't very good at their job they were you know the people who were willing to come near him because for a reason they didn't have anything else going on yeah no one had asked them to the dance right before yeah and they're, we can come in the room? Okay. You're like, can I be DJ?

Yeah. I have a gun. Is that okay? And there's just like one lady holding a lit dynamite stick. Like, this is a fun party. Hey, what happens when that thing burns down? I don't know. This candle's hot.

But yeah, one of the really, I mean, throughout all of these interviews you could just tell that, like you said, there isn't much of a legal strategy, and half the time Giuliani's like admitting stuff. He's like, well, yeah, I mean, maybe they were talking to Rush up until November. Do you think they had a conversation, though, like as attorney client

and Rudy was just like honest with him, like,'re like you're fucked because of what you've done so here's what I'm gonna do I don't know just to delay it yeah I'm gonna go and I like to talk and drink so I'm gonna go right drink and then I'm gonna go talk on TV and say some crazy stuff and then people will talk about me and it doesn't matter if they talk about me or not because I can't play this is just me playing the game this is the only roger stone role i have at this point right and so i can say crazy stuff because technically you paid me a dollar right and i'm your attorney that seems way too coherent yeah uh for the mind that we're about to hear. Well, yes.

So this was him on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, where we just watch a wild arc. This is a question. I love that I defeated him, and you guys are like, now listen to this. No, that's fine. But I would respond with this clip in which he gives a very interesting defense on WikiLeaks and collusion isn't collusion. I don't know, here, just listen to this.

And did Roger Stone ever give the president a heads up on WikiLeaks leaks concerning Hillary Clinton and the DNC? No, he didn't. Not at all. Not at all. I don't believe so. But again, if Roger Stone gave anybody heads up about WikiLeaks leaks, that's not a crime. It would be like giving him heads up that the Times is gonna print something. Once the crime, this is why this thing is so weird, strange.

The crime is conspiracy to hack. That's not why. Collusion is not a crime. Doesn't exist. Now conspiracy to defraud the government, you're right. Conspiracy hack, that is the crime. We don't know whether- Did Donald Trump engage in a conspiracy to hack with the Russians? they've been going at it that's counterintelligence investigation

came to the conclusion no evidence anyway nice pivot there rudy but his whole point is sort of like it's fine if the russians were trying to help him with the election what's wrong with that he's trying to win but he's just trying to put it in the thing of roger stone told him this thing was going to happen not really looking at the totality of the event, which is the Russians are hacking his political opponent and leaking damaging evidence to help him and signaling to him that it's going to happen so he can get in front of it and start messaging properly. Right. It's great diversion. Almost. Where you're arguing like a minute point while distracting from the larger crime.

Yeah. Where you're just like well it's not i mean he didn't technically jaywalk when he robbed that bank right right yeah so like and no one got hurt but the money right it's almost like the food thing we were talking about because they've managed to just like logic themselves into this version of reality where the only thing that is a crime is the person hitting the keystrokes that hacked into the people's email. Which isn't even a person. It was probably a computer program. Right. But knowing that Russia was trying to help you, not telling anybody, lying about it,

and then coordinating with them and coordinating your campaign strategy to benefit from that is that's not okay. Am I right in saying that? It feels wrong. It doesn't feel right. Hey, but we don't know who did it. It could have been some 400-pound guy in his mom's basement in New Jersey or whatever the fuck.

All right. There are a couple cabinet shake-ups to... He really is. There are a couple of cabinet shakeups, too. He really is. There are a couple of cabinet shakeups. Ryan Zinke is out as the Secretary of the Interior. Is that right? Because he did all sorts of corruption. Too many investigations.

He's literally leaving the game the second the Democrats have oversight. Yeah. I'm not going to do this anymore. And he was like, it would be too much of a waste of time to defend myself against all these false allegations. Okay. That's like OJ leaving. He'd be like, I'm just tired of this. Right. Tired of you guys.

I was thinking I did that murder I might have did. Right. Yeah, I'm just going to leave. I'm going to go to a country that won't extradite me. What is it? Brazil? Is that the one? Is that where we're supposed to go?

Ecuador? Is that? And then Mick Mulvaney is going to move over from, what was his role before? He was really overseeing office OMB of management and budget. Okay. He was the juggler in the White House. Yeah, but they had him doing everything. He did CPFB.

Like anything they just needed him to just sort of move into because he was already Senate confirmed for that position. Like, okay, go here, go here, go here, go here because no one wants it or we have unconfirmable he's the only one that understands how the government works right right like just let let him do it and he's like i don't want to do this right yeah well it's one of those things where you know uh nick ayers who was mike pence's chief of staff who was like nah fam to the job he was like i only want to be interim if i'm gonna do it it's only for the it's like i cannot be the chief of staff like i'll do it for a little bit because i see the

fucking arrows they've already been launched yeah i see them now starting to arc towards us right and i don't want to be here when they fucking hit and i think that was the same thing curious how bad it is yeah so i do want to peek at that just i want to get out and i go oh shit oh it's worse than i thought you guys yeah I thought it was a massive black cloud. It's a bunch of individual investigations coming our way. But yeah, I think that's with Mulvaney. He did the same thing. He was very clear to be like, I want to be acting chief

of staff. Don't say I'm chief of staff. I'm the acting chief of staff because he does not want to be there for a very long time. And I think for Trump, he just couldn't get anybody to say yes. Or the people that he was even floating just seemed really like bad decisions. Hey,

you want to come do a job that I'm going to blame you for, right? Right. Blame you for everything that goes wrong. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know,

good luck to Mick. Uh, good luck to the country, uh, because running OMB is also a very important job. So, uh, I hope they figure that out as well.

Yeah. Amazingly, again, he has a chief of staff who despises him. There's great audio of Mick Mulvaney just being like, am I going to support Donald Trump? I am. Do I like Donald Trump? I think he's a reprehensible human being like a year ago. Yeah, exactly. Not very long ago.

It was right before the election, I think. Yeah. And he's like, do I want my son? Does he role human being like a year ago. Yeah, exactly. Not very long ago. It was right before the election, I think. Right, yeah. And he's like, do I want my son? Does he roam out of my sin? Absolutely not. Yeah, I spit on the ground when I think of him. Am I an opportunistic fuckbag? Absolutely.

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uh but we also wanted to talk about cbs because they continue to be really bad at dealing with sexual harassment and assault and there was was a pretty detailed New York Times look at a case brought by Eliza Dushku, the daughter from True Lies, who has had a big career since then. You mean Dana. Dana, jump! And bull, Michael Weatherly, who is apparently...

Not Richard Mole. Right, exactly. He was on NCIS, and they decided, you know what? The thing about this guy is he has so much raw sexual charisma, we're going to give him a show that's all about sex. He's like a 50-ish dude, and the ads when the show came out was like, he's going to get you off. Oh, like Cummins.

Yeah, exactly, like Cummins. Yeah, exactly, like Cummins. Yeah. Because he is- Subtle. I don't know. For some reason, he's just an expert witness, but he also solves cases, and because Michael Weatherly must have a high opinion of-

And he knows where the clit is. Right, of his own sexual powers, he made the show about that. And so this investigation that started after Eliza Dushku brought her case against them was very revealing. So the character that she played had a running flirtation with Mr. Weatherly's character. played had a running flirtation with Mr. Weatherly's character. And the producer, when she was first hired, said that they didn't want to have any intimacy until the show's fifth season because it was like one of those will they, won't they. But then- That's very confident.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, when we get season five, you guys are going to fuck. Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're going to do five seasons of this? Like, this is the pilot. Yeah.

Well, the thing is, this is... Or was it like mid-season she joined or something? No, no. That's not important. But I think, you know, when other TV shows are playing checkers, Bull is playing chess.

You know that. I don't have to tell you that. Touché, Bull. But then Michael Weatherly, the star, started saying cool things like when Eliza Dushku would come to set, he would say, here comes legs. He said that in front of several casting crew. And then he also said in front of them that he would like to bend her over his leg and spank her. In front of the whole casting crew.

Was she misbehaving though? Right. Now, the amazing thing is not only do we get an idea of what Michael Weatherly is like from his behavior on the set, but we also get to hear his justification of this behavior when the investigation was brought. Mr. Weatherly said the remark about spanking was meant as a joke. Quote, I ad-libbed a joke, a classic Cary Grant line from Charade or Philadelphia Story. And that meant not at all that that was an action I wanted to take. So he's like using like shitty actor improv lingo to justify sexually harassing somebody.

It's not a joke. Yeah. Again, I love people using like, that was a joke. Right. I was doing an ad lib from his porn OSR. Yeah. Right. Called Creepy Fucking Coworker.

Yeah. Called Power Dynamics dynamics at one point uh her character raises three fingers like that's what the script told her to do she raised three fingers yeah three something yes and in response mr weatherly said threesome and later because he said it in front of the whole cast and crew a crew member approached her and said with a chuckle i'm with bull can i get in on that threesome with you? Because it was like, and I think this is a good indication of just how the whole CBS thing works is you have these powerful men who like Les Moonves, like have people on

retainer to give him blowjobs like that. He had actual employees at CBS who just, their only job really was to give him blowjobs. Sexual gratification. Yeah. And then. What was the title? I don't know how the accounting department dealt with it. Right.

There's like a human resources. Yeah. Huge red flag there. Yes. It feels like. But in this case, you know, Michael Weatherly, the star of their show, is just a complete monster to women, like publicly and, you know, openly on the set. And so everybody sees that. Everybody's like, you know, openly on the set. And so everybody sees that.

Everybody's like, oh, this guy's the best. Right, and then the crew's like, hey, I'm going to make a pass at this principal actor on this film. Well, I'm not going to miss the threesome. Right, yeah. What the? Then came the shooting of a scene involving a windowless van. Mr. Weatherly said he would take Ms. Doshku to his,, rape van, which was filled with phallic objects and lubricant. Now we get to, again, here, Mr. Weatherly explaining this.

He said the scripted line in that scene was, hey, young lady, step into my windowless van. that line uh so i joked in order to highlight how distasteful the emphasis of the line was about an r van a rape van which in retrospect was not a good idea so our van an r way to soften it yes uh retarded man right yes what the fuck is he an r word van so eliza dushku went to michael weatherly it was like all right here one-on-one, we're two actors trying to work here. Hey, cool it. Yes. You're really making it awkward for me on set and also somewhat unsafe. She told him the story about the crew member who asked her if she wanted to be in a threesome or thought that was a funny joke to make while they were alone. And so she told him

that and he was like why didn't you tell anybody why don't you just bring charges against that person and then two days later she was written off the show oh well cbs the plan to make her part of the cast was over mr weatherly did a really shitty denial of claiming to push for her removal uh he said it's my recollection that I didn't tell anyone how they should do their job regarding the hiring or firing of anybody. But he did send a, there is a text on record where he texted the head of CBS studios and said, I'd like to have a talk about Eliza Dushku's sense of humor.

So it was, she didn't get his jokes. So. Yeah, cool. I mean, they got to keep revealing this shit yes so they can avoid doing it i mean my like what the fuck so does she her is she got nine million dollars nine and a half and what happened with weatherly does he have a show still or what yeah i think that show is still on, or if not, they're probably developing the next Michael Weatherly project where he plays a fucking awesome dude who is the everyman that we all want to be. Well, he made them a bunch of money for NCIS, right? Right.

Yeah, so it's a baby boomer lady show, right? Yes. That's who digs that show. Yes. So, yeah. Yeah. that show. Yes.

So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the trick with CBS that I'm figuring out more and more is that they're really good at getting these soft targets of audiences that nobody else wants. Right. So their ratings are really big.

Yeah. But they're all shows for, like you said, elderly women and people who aren't the target demographic. So they get to brag, like, we have the highest ratings,

and they do. Right. But it's just the demographics nobody else is really going for people on their deathbeds right yeah well it's like the yeah people who make commercials for pharmaceutical companies right it's like that's not the artistic cool right nike commercials and stuff but you're making a gang of money yes yeah all right and finally as promised i wanted to talk about uh loneliness and uh and i already left yeah so i texted both of you guys over the weekend and like nobody got back to me i was on a hike man i had the reception oh i just you texted me i'll be honest i was like

he wants what's your number man maybe i don't have his story. That could be the problem. Miles and I both got it at the same time, and we were like, do you want... Don't fucking... No, you're not supposed to say this part out loud. Bring it up, right? Are mics on? Uh-oh. So I've been reading a lot lately

about how this upcoming generation is the loneliest generation that we've ever had, like Generation Z, the young people who are coming up behind millennials. So people who are in college now, in high school now, just getting out of college. Oh, okay. Yeah. And they're basically the least mentally healthy, the most likely to self-harm. And just as Americans, we are the loneliest we've ever been in terms of how we answer polls. Like how lonely are we?

How we answer questions like, how many people would you trust like to tell that you had a problem? And it's like the answer is between zero and one. Like people are just like, we don't have close friends really anymore. I told the lower half of my best friend. I told his dick.

Because I knew that dick wouldn't say shit. Right. In his mouth. But yeah, so one theory on this that made a lot of sense to me is this idea that America is sort of at the logical endpoint of this sort of neo-capitalist or like neoliberal period that was started by like the Reagan-Thatcher thing, where it's like, we're all, you know, individuals in this world, where it's like pure competition, all of the like collectivist ideas like unions and, you know, staying a part of a company that has like a pension and stuff like that, that stuff has all

gone away. And now we're in this place where it's like gig economy. We're all just independent from any organization. In a gig economy, we switch jobs more than we ever have before. And in that world, we're all individual units of value accumulation in a zero-sum game. And to put that in context, the person was saying that each paradigm sort of conforms to the age that it's in. So Christianity was the main paradigm during the Dark Ages when it was like a lot of serfs and servants. And the best thing you could do for your survival was not rock the boat and kind of turn the other cheek and just, you know, go along and get along.

And that was the best way to survive. And our paradigm isn't necessarily what we think it is. It's more of the thing that people think is unique about America is, you know, when they come here from other countries is that we value individualism versus collectivism like more than anywhere else to the point of like if you show an american a picture of a fish apart from a school of fish they're like oh well that one fish is the leader and he's standing apart because he's like special whereas other people just think of it as like a lonely fish oh like americans are like hell yeah that guy's fucking exactly he knows some shit man right other people like oh has have they been ostracized yeah they were actually talking about

a thing that doesn't really they don't have a theory for why it is but they were basically saying that the further west so if you start in asia and keep going west like it seems like you go from the most collectivist ideals in the world all the way to the most individualistic ideas in the world. And like the West coast of America is like the peak of feeling like you have to be an individual. Right. You aren't part of any, you know, Silicon Valley is not part of any,

they're very anti-union pro. Like we're going to shake up this world with our individual inventions. But we need mass amounts of people to help us. Right. Yes. Can I comment? Yeah. Come on in.

I think a lot of it has to do with the Reagan, Thatcher stuff. I think a lot of it has to do with Wall Street. Yeah. And the greed part of it was that these people already on the top wanted more than they had already right so they convince people like no if you work really hard you should be a millionaire too that you should have all this stuff which is like that's the system before was like pretty great where it was like if you were the manager or someone higher up, your wages weren't incredibly higher than the workers. Right.

You just got to go, instead of go camping at the lake, you got a cabin at the lake. Right. That's what, because you did more work. So you know what I mean? So your responsibilities were more because of whatever, which I don't think, I think it was a good balance between the two things that I think, you know, is the greatest give and take for us is like the laziness of man and then, you know, there's that part of like us working collectively.

But then against human nature, that's why communism doesn't work. Right. Because we can't fully do it collectively. And some people are better than others. Some people have different things. So they get different rewards but we're at like a far extreme of the opposite of communism and socialism well yes and because it's like we were talking about earlier with the we have this technology and we're using it to buy stuff right and people are working much harder than like or

working at a like their output has even gone up over the years. Yeah. But wages don't go up and other things like that. It's like, no, they're just whipping the masses harder to get them like work better. And then, but it's like, oh, but there's no reward. So they numb. We're not going to figure out how to do it. Numb.

Yeah. Numb. See, and I think a lot of the stuff like social media and things like that are really good numbing and time wasting. 18 minutes to pick what you're going to watch. Yeah. But not 18 minutes to think about how you're going to bring down the capitalist structure. Or, yeah, how can I collectively work to make all my friends' lives better along with mine? Right. The CEO, you mentioned the CEO to worker compensation ratio.

So in 1965, it was like in the 20s, CEO made 20 times more than the average worker. By 2000, it was almost 400 times. Seems too much. Yes. And now it's like almost 300. So it's gone down a little bit because people kind of got wise to this. But another thing that they were talking about specific to this generation is helicopter parenting. And just this idea that parents now are more protective and more, they overschedule

their kids' times and spend all their time focusing on their kids and having anxiety about their kids. And that's something that I've noticed just having kids that like, just that the conventions now are not, when I was a kid, the convention was just let your kid go ride his bike, figure out, make mistakes for himself. Like, you know, I was riding my bike and put a fucking stick in the front wheel and flipped over. Like Indiana Jones and shit. Like an idiot.

You only do that once. Yeah. You only do that once. And they were saying that that might also have something to do with mental health of this coming generation is that they're sort of hot house flowers. They've been protected from having to make any of the decisions themselves, like make any of the mistakes that you get to make when your parents aren't everywhere, kind of over-managing your life. And one thing that I was thinking, and I've had this thought a couple of times, is maybe it's that because we don't have these collective identities, we don't have these groups that we're really a part of, when your kid comes along and you have this kind of forced collective relationship, it's like a pinprick of light against the complete darkness of just your lonely existence and people sort of overcompensate

and just become obsessed with their children. You kind of see it in social media where people over-document the lives of their children. I think that's more about them on social media. Yeah. I think they use that because they get likes. That makes them feel good. Yeah.

That's the one where it's like i think there is that sharing with your family or whatever and your friends but i think a lot of some of what you're talking about i do think is narcissism totally and it goes with technology is like we can make money or a lot easier and from different places so we're there with our kids a lot more and i think a lot of those parents are trying to get their kids to be something they want them to be yeah and i think that's more of a problem now than ever has been because of specialization and like the what i try to stay conscious of is like i was an athlete growing up i was outside i played every sport whatever season my son could give a about sports right but he's athletic right so like

i've had to back off like putting him and stuff like that right where it's like he likes to draw and that's how he has his stuff so i have to take him to like art stuff yeah yeah right but i see other parents that have kids that they force them to do this stuff that they like right because it's their value but that's not unique to this generation right that's what i was saying like i knew a lot of like sports dads who were fucking terrifying back when i was a kid right right yeah and even my dad like my grandfather tried to get my dad to play a bunch of sports too because it's sort of like well that's what that's supposed to do right my dad hated sports but then like so then he raised me in a way who's like yo do whatever

fuck you want yeah it's like like i take like i try to find athletic things for him to do so because i understand that exercise is an important part of the of a balanced life so i need to make him understand like there are certain athletic things that are fun for you like he likes swimming we're gonna go play ping pong at this Korean ping pong hall. I like to take him to. Once he saw how good these old Korean people were, he was like, this is awesome. Yeah. He's like, how do I get like that?

He's like, put in 10,000 hours. Yeah. Come here every day at 3 p.m. My mother-in-law whips my – I thought I was good at table tennis. My mother-in-law whipped my fucking – My mom was secretly good at ping pong. It's an Asian thing. Yeah.

No, Japan is big. And it's funny, I got a ping pong table like right after Forrest Gump came out because I was like, yo,

I need to get in this ping pong. And I remember my mom fucking smoked me with one of the first games and I cried. I was like, why didn't you tell me?

And she was like, oh, is this how you do it? Oh, yes. I was like, yo, you're fucking around, mom she was like, oh, is this how you do it? Oh, yes. I was like, yo, you're fucking around, mom. Right. Yes. Anyway.

It's so fun. But yeah, you're trying to, yeah, I guess, I mean, you look, we're all just trying to do right, you know? But I think that has something to do with like, there's a, we're more narcissistic in the individualism. We're putting that on our stuff onto kids instead of letting them. Yeah. No. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. Like like i played three sports because i wanted to play three sports right like my dad wasn't like hey

i'm gonna play this now it was just like what's in season i remember wanting to play volleyball one time just because i didn't have a team to be on right when i got in playing in college i didn't want to be on a team anymore. Right. Which is odd now. I mean, that was one of the beauties of stand-up to me. It was like, oh, I don't have to depend on anyone but me. It's just me. And if I let myself down, I can handle that more than if I let someone else down. Right.

Yeah. Which is a weird thing to understand about yourself. Well, that's good. And how do you feel about that? I feel fine. Okay. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. That's what i'm okay with everything yeah but i i do feel like i am trying to figure out where the helicopter parenting i think i think it is tied to the individualism thing and social media and wanting to overshare on social media because

it's a way to like the neo-capitalism model that we were talking about, the Reagan-Thatcher thing is a zero-sum game where if your friend succeeds, it's actually bad for you because you are comparing yourself. It's like a zero-sum thing. And so social media is basically a machine for making you feel inadequate. And so I don't know necessarily what it is about how people relate to their children and that makes them want to overshare and put that on social media

and also overmanage the kids' lives. But I think it's tied to this new sort of loneliness in some way well social media is the whole thing is to make you feel insecure right so you keep doing stuff and showing stuff so you're insecure about other people and you're not ready and I think without subconsciously a people a lot of people put that or trying to fix that insecurity they feel that make sure their child doesn't have it. Right.

And they're overdoing it. Yeah. Because of whatever reason. Yeah. And I think there's also this thing that human beings have to accept that your children are going to hate you for a while anyway. That's just the science of how that happens. You're going to fuck them up a little bit because you're fucked up. Right.

So you have to accept that. I think we overcompensate that because we know that. And then sometimes we fuck them up even worse. But I feel like we need our children to like us more than past generations. Oh, I don't give a fuck about that. I know. Yeah. I don't think it's healthy.

But I think you're right. Right. I personally don't give a shit. My parents' generation didn't give a shit how we felt about them. And this generation, like the people I see around me who have kids, care more, like seem like they want their kids to like them more. And maybe it's changing, but I definitely noticed that about past, like the generation of kids who were in college now, like that they had relationships with their parents. Right. That was like a little weird like that.

Oh, I didn't. You didn't feel that? Both my parents were. No, I felt that. Oh, yeah. For sure. Like I would. Yeah.

Totally. In college, you'd see people like, my mom's my best friend. Right. That's fucking crazy. Right. That is so. Like I live 3,000 miles away to this day because i like a healthy relationship with my mother right 3 000 miles away but that yeah i know what you're talking about because i remember i

said that to my son like when he was like four now he's just started school so it's like five or six and he said something he was like i don't want to be your friend i was like man that's cool with me like i'm not your friend i'm your dad i'm your manager homie so i have to do stuff that you don't like to make you better and you just saw it compute in his head he was like oh i'm gonna have to deal with this dude a little different than everybody else right yeah yeah so and he knows yeah there it is but i think it's because my parents did the same thing and i saw like even my dad was my football coach and my baseball coach. He was assistant baseball coach, but he was football coach.

And he treated me. I was, I wasn't like the coach's son. I was this dude that the coach didn't like. You were number 19. Yes. Because. Hey 19,

get over here. Because I was never going to be the one that, you know, they couldn't say that. So I had to earn it a little more. Yeah was fucking frustrating yeah especially be like oh like parents favor their children what is that like but i think that's what's crazy about the fact that people have changed the way they react to their kids is like how i'm interacting with my kids and it's very early on in that process but it's so determined by how my parents interacted with me.

But there has been this shift where a generation went from, you know, like not giving a shit about their kids to suddenly like wanting to be friends with their kids and helicopter parenting their kids. Well, I think it's probably like, right. Every parent,

like just the basis of it is that you want your kid to live better than you did. So as we know more about science and psychology and all these other things, like now, like, you know, our parents didn't know, you know, that like X, Y or Z might not be healthy or this, this, that and the other. So we were allowed to make mistakes. But as we know more, I think maybe that contributes to the idea of like, oh, now all these dangers have been very precisely identified. I didn't know about emotional intelligence. Right. That wasn't talked about when I was in high school. Yeah.

Right, right, right. You know what I mean? That phrase or what that was. I think that was just intelligence to a certain degree. But separating it is something like you read the parenting books and stuff. They talk about emotional intelligence, which I think is very, very important. And I think that's where some of the helicopter parenting comes in because people do realize like how you react to things does have an effect on how successful you can be, especially in our corporate system. Yeah.

Because if you're emotionally intelligent, you know not to react the way your emotions are. Right. You're to be cold, and then you can move up in this cold corporate system. Yeah. So that's where some of that shit comes from. Yeah. And I think it's just an overall imbalance of this world where-

Values. Yeah, where we don't have groups that we're a part of, and it's just this one family unit, and that's your only outside relationship where you have somebody that you just inherently have so much love for and need love back because you're not getting it anywhere else. That is a good point. individualism like in groups like even if you want to be a part of like let's say i want to be a raiders fan even involved in that subculture everyone's like i'm the biggest raiders fan yeah or i'm this and like even in that culture you're still competing to be the best at what so it's not like we're cheering on a team that none of us have anything to do with but look how look how long my spikes are but i'm yes yes so, yes. So fuck out of here. Yeah, but I killed a Dodgers fan once.

Right, right, right. Yeah, that kind of, well, I am a Dodgers fan. Right, right. But it is like, even that stuff is like, even like, I do it. Like, I hate Alabama. I hate them, the University of Alabama. But every year they play in the national championship, and I cheer for them because they're from the SEC.

I didn't play in the SEC. I didn't even go to the SEC, but I grew up cheering for Tennessee, which I don't cheer for anymore because we've had a tough decade. Yeah, it has been a rough year. But I still do this. I fall into those things where it's like I don't care, but it's fun to do. Has Tennessee football just been bad since Peyton Manning? No, motherfucker.

I'm not a Peyton Manning fan. Oh, Vince. That's so weird. That throws people off. No, he played at Tennessee. T. Martin won a national championship. Oh, T. Martin. The year after Peyton left.

Yeah. No, I was going to say Vince Young because their colors are both orangish. Burnt orange is Texas. All right. Bright orange is Tennessee. See, I didn't even go there. I didn't even graduate. See, I don't even care.

You have the pride. Look what happened. But I don't think pride in groups is wrong. I had a good time growing up at Neiman Stadium as well. I just think it used to be, I don't know. I was talking last week about how bowling used to be. People used to have activities. It was church.

It was like we were part of a bowling league. We're part of some shit that you would have a team that you belong to that you could just feel part of, feel like you were in a group. And I feel like because we don't have that anymore and it's just something like I never knew that there was a bowling boom of the 20th century. Like that shit just got kind of written out because it didn't seem important. But now I feel like we're seeing that it was important to like have these groups that we were a part of. I think you don't see them as much because like I played in an adult rec league baseball team. It was nice. Right.

Like I think I think they're there. I think like I didn't realize that all that was happening until somebody was like hey i have a baseball team right would you want to be a part of it and then you're like oh there are these groups inside these but we get so individually focused yeah that you're not like or i think there's just not as much emphasis so like you have to actually be someone who personally you desire that so you're going to seek it out but it like whereas back then it then, those were like the options that were just in front of everybody.

Yeah, we all wandered to the baseball field because that was the spot. You just got to wonder if that's something you need to feed yourself, and that's definitely something we all need. Well, Billy Wayne, it's been a pleasure having you as always, man. Where can people find you? At BillyWayneDavis on Twitter, at BillyWayneDavis on Instagram, and then, yeah, we're about to announce of all the tour dates for 2019,

but I'm done for this year. It's been fun. Thank you all the Zeitgang. There's at least two or three every show now. Fuck yeah. Which has been dope. I was just in Santa Cruz and people were, there was like a large number of Zeitgang people

in Santa Cruz, which I get it. They're smart people. It's a wonderful place to live. Potheads, right? A lot of, there's surfing potheads.

There's, it's a cool place. It was underrated. Boom. I should have went with Santa Cruz. Damn it. Well, we can still say retroactively underrated Santa Cruz.

Yeah. You should check it out. Great boardwalk. Billy Wayne, is there a tweet that you've been enjoying? I've been enjoying Trump's tweets the last week and a half because they're just all over the place. This Donald Trump guy.

Yeah, the president's tweets have been really fun because it's just that person that is like, there's a part of you that you're just going to go down lying. Yeah. Where there's no point where he's like, you're just going to go down lying. Yeah. You know, where there's no, like, there's no point where he's like, all right, you got me. Where it's like,

you're going to have to shoot me in the face. Right. So there's something funny about it. Yeah. I really, I don't think he's gone leaving office without some sort of constitutional crisis. Oh, there's going to be some shenanigans.

Oh, yeah. Right. Like you said, he's trying to bathe a cat. Just like holding on to be some shenanigans. Oh, yeah. Right. Like you said, he's trying to bathe a cat. Just like holding on to one of the columns as they pull him away. Right. Miles, where can people find you? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. I liked a lot of tweets, actually.

One is from Dan White. Ask Dan White. It's his handle. It says, every comedian has to work day jobs they don't necessarily, quote, love to support their passion. There's no shame in it. Some are baristas. Some are servers. I work for the DePaul Medical School sawing penises off of cadavers to reduce weight and save on transportation costs. I love that.

Fucking beauty. Another one is just from the Washington Post that feels like a joke. It says, it's a headline from the Washington Post. It says, I voted for Trump. Now his wall may destroy my butterfly paradise okay uh and lastly is another one uh it's like a quote tweet the first is of like this woman looking really cute it's like three photos she's posing and says i want to star in a netflix series twitter do your thing and then alex at n7 u7UGHTY just goes the fuck we supposed to do

you got way more fucking retweets than her tweet that's amazing a tweet I liked is Marsha Belsky tweeted your stripper name is John plus Valjo and you can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien

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