The Daily Zeitgeist - President Golden Goose, White Fragility Awards 11.13.20

Episode Date: November 13, 2020

In episode 759, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Sara Schaefer to discuss Trump believing he won the election in a landslide, what happens next with Trump, how to protect America from Trump, the CMA awards, and more!FOOTNOTES: Grand: A Memoir By Sara Schaefer It remains very possible that Biden will earn 306 electoral votes, precisely the number Trump earned in 2016 before faithless electors.  Scoop: Trump eyes digital media empire to take on Fox News Trumpers Staged a Protest of Fox News. Eight People Showed Up. One Was a Child. Trump criticizes Fox: 'They forgot the Golden Goose' McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC How to Protect America From the Next Donald Trump The CMA Awards Are Already a Hot, COVID Mess Here Are All the Artists Who Pulled Out of the 2020 CMA Awards Due to COVID-19 Dispute over access prompts AP to drop CMA Awards coverage CMA Awards: Unmasked, Indoor Ceremony Raises Questions About COVID-19 Precautions, Producers Cite 'Extremely Diligent' Measures CMA Awards 2020: Complete list of winners, best and worst moments The 2020 CMA Awards Aimed for Normal, But Covid Loomed Large Country Singer Warns Taco Bell Not to Joke About the Illuminati WATCH: Reyna Tropical - "Niña" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday, November 13th, 2020, 68 days until January 20th. Very nice. I also just like the number 68. No reason. You hate 69, though.

I remember you lost quite a bit yesterday. Yeah, not a fan. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Michael Jack Donald of the Mountain Doobie Brothers. That is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi, man. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! And when you go, go, go, go, I know it'll finally end. It'll finally end.

All the tweets that you used to send. All the prison terms for your friends. All the crooks that you used to know have gone out the window. All the lies that you used to spread. All the space you took in my head. All the constant doom scroll threads have gone out the window. Okay, shout out to Secretary of interior cheeky sanders on the discord with that sugar ray aka shout out that song was stuck in my head all week like as really yeah as

the as trump lost the election i kept hearing when it's over that part of the song in my head yeah yeah it's you uh you should have been in sugar ray man i could see you in sugar ray bro i've been saying that for years thank you yeah i'm telling you go to the saint francis de sales carnival in sherman oaks california mark mcgrath is there every year oh if you ever need to cross paths with mcgrath yeah that's you go. The most cocaine I've ever seen somebody on on TV was his appearance on The Wendy Williams Show. It's worth finding. It's very hard to find, but if you do find it, it's incredible.

Oh, like it's been scrubbed? He is. Yeah, I don't know. I ended up using it in an episode of that YouTube show, The Spit Take. So you might be able to find it there. But it was really hard to find back then. And it was like an early 2000s clip. But he is fucking flying, man.

More than Chris Klein in the Mamma Mia audition? Well, the Mamma Mia audition was not live national TV. That's true. That's true. Yeah. A private moment. um all right we are going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about and then we'll get to know our guest uh we're going to talk about uh trump's definition of landslide how that has been changing we're going to talk about his war with Fox. The golden goose is going to war

with Fox, as he termed himself. The Trump cringe brigade is here to rescue him. We're going to talk about just generally Fox News' kind of weird cognitive dissonance, what we do to lock dumb narcissists out of power going forward, if there is anything we can do. Talk about Mountain Dew product placement on Prestige TV. And I am excited to talk about the CMAs. I had missed the Country Music Awards for the 40th year running, but it apparently was a real spectacle and very political in its attempt to be apolitical.

Oh, I can only imagine the chewing through their own lips these people were doing. But before we get to any of that, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious, the talented Sarah Schaefer! Yeah! Hey, hey, hey. What's up? Hey. How are you?

Oh, it's good to be with y'all again, although sad to not be there in person. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Agreed, agreed. What's new? What's new, Sarah?

What's new over there for you? This is all new. I love it. I just moved. Very close. These frames. Gesturing to an art collection behind her. It's new stuff, but it all new. I just moved. Very cool. These frames. Gesturing to an art collection behind her. That's not new stuff, but it's a new place.

Art wall placement, A1. I love it. We're still working it out, but yeah. Okay. I do like it. The pieces are kind of fit together like a puzzle. That's my favorite kind of art wall placement. Gallery wall. Yeah, gallery wall. like a puzzle uh that's that's my favorite kind of uh art wall placement gallery doing yeah gallery

wall which i used to just be like in when i moved into like my first places as a young person that was just my excuse to not have a laser level or anything that could actually yeah i'm like no it's more of a gallery wall feel where it's like i'm just gonna haphazardly throw them all up you know that's the vibe impression. It's all about how it makes you feel. Right. To you, it looks like a gallery, correct? Well, then it's achieved its intent. That's right.

Sarah, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are or where you are? What's your activity? Cross-stitch graph paper. Cross-stitch graph paper. That's the last thing I googled that wasn't private medical stuff wait so what's what do you use cross stitch is that like to make a template and then yeah so here's it's good that that came up because i am surrounded by this stuff right now you're like how did it get in my house this cross stitch graph paper okay so here's a blank piece of cross stitch graph paper

and it's like oh wow so it's much much smaller than uh regular graph paper that you would get which i do have some here as well this is a regular piece of graph paper. Okay. I'm familiar, yep, from geometry class. Yeah, and then I use it to space out stitching that I'm going to do so I can center it properly. I'll give you a little preview. This says, I miss you, Merry Miss Miss. This says, wear a mask, dumbass. Are these masks that you're making for people?

They're ornaments I'm making making and they go in like a little hoop and i have an etsy shop so um they'll be going up for sale soon but um oh fuck yeah yeah so i i do that every i do like christmas i sell stuff year round but i don't do new items usually until around the holidays and um i do it for fun and then the money that i make just goes back to my supplies there you go now are you like the country music awards do you cater to both sides do you have a another one that's like uh don't wear a mask sheeple right yeah no i don't have those um and actually i'm curious because when the pandemic hit, I made a cross-stitch of the coronavirus, the actual molecule.

Yeah, right, right. And then I typed something like, remember in November, which we did. Oh, yeah. And I stitched that on. And it was just a one-off piece. And I sold it, or I tried to sell it. And Etsy took it down Cause this was the beginning of, I've never had an item taken down by Etsy and they were like,

we do not allow the sale of things that could profit off of a pandemic. Or there was a lot of like masks in the beginning. There was a lot of misinformation about like, what's a proper mask and like, can we sell masks? You know, is that stuff that should be reserved for, you know,

there was, I think it's probably fine to sell something that says wear a mask now, but in the beginning they were being really, so I'm curious if this controversial, um, who knows? I mean, I have sold all kinds of other stuff that with curse words and things

so like i don't think that they censor right i think they were just like trying to avoid they were being overly cautious by just searching for the word covid or coronavirus and like taking all that stuff down because i think some some people are trying to sell like, this crystal will help you not get coronavirus. I bet there's shit like that. All my masks are made of loose yarn. Yeah, for shade masks, not a good idea. I have my protection crystals in my top pocket, so I am good. That's really not loose yarn either, Jack.

I keep telling you, it's just a bunch of loose hair you keep balling up and insisting is a mask. But I tight it. I roll it together real tight in the little balls. I don't even breathe it in anymore and cough. See? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good for your lungs. Yeah.

Do you like the cross-stitching thing? Obviously, it's the hobby. Is it the creativity aspect that appeals to you or is it the like you get lost in like a flow state of like giving all of your concentration to the act it's all of that and it's right i've always liked making things with my hands you know like and especially things that are repetitive so that you're just and detailed i really like because it forces you to concentrate and focus and not hear your the demons in your head that are trying to ruin your life. So, yeah, I like I've always liked doing I used to crochet, which is a similar like repetitive, detailed counting.

I like counting. detailed counting i like counting um and but that was like too like when i lived in new york city it was like too big to carry like right a blanket onto the i mean people would do it but um i would see people with like huge blankets like crocheting on the subway and i'd be like hell yeah um so i would usually do patchwork stuff where I'd make squares and then sew those together later but right right right but then um eventually I moved back to cross stitch because that was something that I used to do when I was young and I like got back into it and now I'm I'm obsessed I mean there's such a thin line between like you know all these different things it's like they're putting together

things that exist elsewhere like in terms of like team building things for like work and branding is a thing in fraternities and you know like uh and then the multi-level marketing thing is pretty fucking uh you know that that exists out there in legal forms like i think my parents were in in one like at one point and like the avon thing you know selling all of our shampoo smelled like shit for a couple years because my parents like bought a big uh bought into like something i think it was called my parents did something called new Skin, which was like Icelandic mud masks and like skin products from Iceland. Iceland, I guess is how you say it. We say Iceland on this podcast.

You got it right. The land of ice. And it was made me even as a teenager. I mean, it was in a really crazy time in my life. So everything was awkward and scary at that time. But like, sure. I remember just feeling like already knowing how does this work? Like this isn't going to work out for us.

Like I can tell you're not going to make money off of this. Like, yeah. Let's go back to work out for us. I can tell you're not going to make money off of this. Let's go back to the goji berries. Yeah, that was the one thing. I have a book out called Grand. Check it out. Anywhere books are sold. And it's a memoir.

And I mentioned Nu Skin. And when you write a memoir, they have the very end of the process. They'll have like the legal team will read it, do what's called the very end of the process. They'll have like the legal team will read it, do what's called a legal read of the book. And they will have a conversation with you about any places in the book where you might be vulnerable to being sued. And when they say you, they mean them, right? Like they don't give a shit. I mean, they do, they care about you, but like, but they're, they're looking out for themselves too, but they're like, They do. They care about you, but like, but they're, they're looking out for themselves too.

But they're like, here's the places where you're vulnerable. And we talked about like the people in the book and like, I was like, oh, my dad's fine with everything that I said about him. And they're like, okay, good. And then they were like, okay, so besides that, really nothing except the way you described new skin. Yeah. They were like, we don't want that. We don't want problems with them

right so i guess i i mean i was like wow the detail the attention to detail that you gave this made me feel like confident you know that they had done a thorough job but like i mentioned new skin like in one paragraph like i didn't even spend time on it but i said it was a pyramid scheme and they were like actually they went to court over it and the court did not rule them to be a pyramid scheme so technically you can't call them that unless you're vulnerable to being sued and i was like okay so i just also you have to mention their age revitalizing properties and how right they're like in the cult yeah we don't yeah we don't like pyramid scheme we like a geometric structure where triangular shapes converge at a single step at the top scheme

yeah um yeah so that was an interesting like i was like oh right like they actually had worked this out in court so that if I was to say it, it could potentially be easily proven that I was committing like libel or, you know, so, uh, new skin, they've got eyes everywhere.

Their skin. Yeah. That's what they've always said. New skin. They're so litigious. They go after everywhere. They're everywhere. They're probably behind you right now.

What is, uh, what's something you think is overrated? Oh, wait, was underrated first? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, so underrated, I guess I fucked that up a little. Oh, wait, was the Val overrated? The Val was overrated, but I was like,

is it because people have criticized it so much? we've had that conversation is what we've done. Or you can just do the setup differently or you just say overrated to set up the vow. I interchange them every once in a while. So why don't I just... No, I think it's fine how it is. I don't know even what my...

Oh, okay. So overrated was the vow. Okay. Got it. The vow is overrated. For the record. For the record. Underrated is my book. Okay the record. For the record. Underrated is my book.

Yeah. Okay? Yeah. There we go. Here we go. Self-learning to self-promote. Learning to be assertive, confident in your own work. Because we talked about this, Sarah, before we went on.

We were like, I don't know if we're going to talk about your book, but you went ahead and bulldozed right in. We like the confidence. I don't know if we're going to talk about your book, but you went ahead and bulldozed right in. We like the confidence. Well, look, when you write a book, they'll ask you questions. This was over a year ago. They were like, my team was like, we were trying to decide when should the book come out. This is before we knew there would be a pandemic and you know but they were like you don't want it to come out fall of 2020 because it's near an election and it's a crazy one and there's going to be a lot of books that are going to overshadow

your chances and they were like well so do you care about getting on the new york times bestseller list and i was like i mean yeah, like I would want that. I mean, that's right. Hey, do you care about that? Yeah, I was like, what do you mean do I care? And my agent went, well, some people don't, some authors don't care. And I was like, those people are lying.

Right, yeah. They care more. Or are they so wealthy that they just write books to like kill time? Yeah, I was like, I'm sorry. It's an intellectual exercise. Yeah, of course I care. I was like, I'm sorry. It's an intellectual exercise. Yeah, of course I care. I was like, I know it's a really long shot.

Like I know it's really hard to get on it, but like why would I do anything to make it harder? So we had decided to put the book out in August. So in putting a book out, you have to at once be incredibly delusional about it. You have to be like we're going all the way baby oprah book club like you know new times bestseller let's do it let's put everything they're gonna be in every hotel bedside stand in the country yeah hudson news baby like

let's do it like everywhere you know um you got to put everything you can into it because books are so hard to sell but then at the same time have to go, no one is going to buy this book. No one buys books. Get your shit together. Be realistic. So like that's why I feel like my book, I've had an incredible positive response. But like I didn't get any of those big things. And so in my mind, it's underrated.

You know, and I'm so proud of it. Like I've put out so many things into the world over the years. TV show, podcast, writing, all kinds of stuff. I've done it all. Yeah. But this is my masterpiece. Like I have never made anything this good. And it feels so good to feel so confident in something. And

like, I know that some people may not like it. Like that's totally fine with me. I don't give a shit, but I know that I did something that to my standards is like, I couldn't be more proud of it. I've never worked so hard on anything in my life. So that's why I'm like, it'll never be, it'll always be underrated until, you know, like hell yeah. Yeah. You gotta have that big thing.

The pre Jesus Kanye confidence. Yeah, that's right. That's right. What, what is the book about? It's a memoir. It's it follows me on a trip I did into the grand Canyon,

an eight day whitewater rafting trip down 200 miles of the Colorado River. And then I'm like remembering episodes from my life and kind of like the journey that led me up to this trip. And it's a lot about anxiety and forgiveness. And it's like I'm a comedian. And so it's not what you would expect from a typical comedian. It's definitely like got some depth to it and it'll make you cry as well as laugh um but that's my favorite type of work to do so um it's all a in there it's very vulnerable and real and and and i've heard it's a breeze to read and and you touch on new skin in there too then i talk about new skin so if you're a new skin

head oh not no not a new skin head since Biden became president if you've been radicalized this book is for you fuck yeah and what's the name of the book

Grand Grand oh alright And what's the name of the book? Grand. Grand. All right, guys. Grand Canyon, you get it. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Oh, all right. Yeah, and I hear it's compulsively readable.

Oh, wait. Hold on. You think I'm not ready for this? Boom. Bang. There it is. There it is. Ooh, with notes.

Oh, someone's got notes picked out. Oh, yeah, because I had to do a virtual book tour uh yeah which is truly a nightmare like i hated it so much because it was like you know if you go on a tour of any kind book tour uh um have you guys ever done a tour you should do a tour we were we were we were we were flying internationally up until like the last week before lockdown and i was like smoking joints with like 50 100 people at the end of every show right before the pandemic and i was like is this okay yeah but yes we've done a bit of a tour we know we've seen you go on tours you do stand up whatever and and you know i'm like a book tour i'm like if 30 people showed up to a book event at a little

books indie bookshop in seattle i would feel like the king yeah uh but if 30 people show up to a virtual book event you feel like you want to kill yourself i mean you're just truly like why is there only 30 people here i have 80 000 twitter followers what's the ratio here is not encouraging you're like talking shit to the is not encouraging. You're like talking shit to the people that showed up. You're like, what about you? What the fuck? It's my family. It's my family and like three of my friends

and then some random people. I'm like, how did you get in here? One of them got bombed by teen boys. It was such a nightmare. We just shut it down before they even finished introducing me. I hadn't said a word a word no and these like kids came on and were like women aren't funny and then like my dad's girlfriend every you could see everyone it was like just like this zoom gallery and um my dad's girlfriend her name is didi and one of the kids goes didi you old bitch and that's

when they were like shut it down shut it down wow don't come for didi all right we're shutting this nonsense yeah apparently there's different ways of doing zoom events and this one was done in a way that anyone could just unmute themselves and i was like no no no no no shut it down let's see it was so sad and there's something about like book stores not doing good like you uh we did when i worked at cracked we had a couple we published a couple books and did like book tours for those and like it would be the same people who would sell out a live show with like you know 200 seats and then we'd do a book tour with those same people and it would be like five people at the barnes and noble it's a totally different like you couldn't pay them to come see the book tour

version of the exact same thing yeah um books are tough books are tough. All right, Sarah, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back to talk about what's happening in our country. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project All you need to do is record everything like you always do

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Lame as fuck, dude. It looks like he's going to lose by the same margin that he won by last time, which wouldn't be that big a problem if he hadn't spent the last four years just convincing himself and all of his followers that it was a total landslide and like biggest landslide of all time. This is like empirically not true on its face. Right. Yeah. You lost the popular vote by like three million. That's not that's that's technically an L. million that's not a that's that's technically an l but okay because uh someone was doing just a quick timeline of his use of landslide and talking about his electoral college victory and december 11th 2016 we had a massive landslide victory as you know in the electoral college

july 5th 2018 it's all a ruse the russia story this was an excuse for the democrats who lost an election actually got their ass kicked. 306, 306 to 223. That's a pretty good shellacking. December 17th, 2019, to late Nancy Pelosi. Everyone, you included, knows what is really happening. Your chosen candidate lost the election in 2016 in an electoral college landslide, parenthetical 306 to 227, and you and your party have never recovered from this defeat.

He still goes, November 20th, 2019, we had an electoral college, as you know, Congressman, we had a landslide, 306 to 223. We had a landslide. So he keeps saying this number, 306 is a landslide. Joe Biden right now is winning with 306 electoral landslide votes. So a lot of people are like, I wonder if he's also having to recalibrate the definition of landslide in his mind. Because if he was, you know, just not in the wild fucking chance, doing the solo on his mushroom flute being like 306 baby you know what time it is mr 306 worldwide like if he's now thinking if joe biden is that well then did i lose or he knows that it's different i don't know just a very interesting to think of a nice overlap of details

yeah i i feel like there's no way that he's admitting that to himself. Because you know he probably would have got that tatted 306. Right. Yeah. He definitely has a gold chain that is 306. But also part of it is I think he just has a limited palette of choices of words and phrases that he chooses from. Yeah. words and phrases that he chooses from yeah and that is one of the ones that stays in the in the cloud around his head like oh 306 or like you know like all those words that he buzzwords and i mean

some people argue that it's because he's stupid and has limited you know limited capable language capability and then others argue that it's part of mind you know mind control or you know you know influencing people is by repeating the same phrases over and over and over again to the listeners that are in your quote-unquote cult are going to just you know it eventually solidifies in their head as reality um you say something over and over again then eventually some people who are susceptible to it will believe it and they can't be convinced otherwise yeah i've been going i've been kind of going back and forth on that question of whether it's him actively manipulating and making smart like uh manipulative decisions to use fewer words to like trick people or whether it's like just he happens

to have access to fewer words and that happens to work with his uh you know cult followers like that kind of matters because if we're if we're assuming that he's like a one-off genius, then this isn't as big a problem as it is if he's just showed every narcissist who's willing to sow hatred the cheat code to winning the presidency.

I tend to think it's actually that he's not a one-off genius, that he's kind of an idiot who just happens to have this skill set and this like was working from a base of a whole lot of like recognizability and twitter followers so he was able to like kind of pick up momentum uh more than he should have been right right yeah i mean that's that's a question like there was a political scientist who wrote an op-ed in the new york times that was talking about like what how do we like safeguard our democracy against like demagogues you know because like

that's what he is he's not like he is a product of our democratic process. Like he, and he's a, he's a reflection of what a lot of these white voters wanted. That's right. Voted for him is like, it was just a kamikaze pilot to root on. Right. Who was just going to fuck him, just destroy DC.

And you can use the language like he's leading, but they didn't care. It's like any, again, like just the psychology of people is like, when you can't, when you are no longer feel powerful or empowered to build or create. The next best thing is to destroy because at least you're in the game doing something.

And if you can't, if you have no power, destruction is that shit might as well look like building stuff because you're like, well, I did that. And look at what it's doing to these other people. like building stuff because you're like well i did that and look at what it's doing to these other people and i think that gave them an opportunity to say like yes let me hitch my hopes and dreams of this ethno state to this guy who like i don't really agree with anything but like he's down to fuck everything up and that's how i feel as a person whatever that is based on how i got there so i'm just gonna root this on because yeah this this sort of reflects what i'm feeling inside more than from anything to do with policy. That's why no one actually has anything substantive to say about policy. It's like when you, when people press Trump supporters at rallies, when they're like, okay, so why are

you voting for him? He's like, well, all the things he's accomplished, you know, that's what's going on. And they're like, okay, so what has he accomplished? Um, you know, like, um, race, racial court stuff. Uh, give me me the give me the paper really quick there was like i remember jordan clever he was out there and someone these maggot people were like give me my cheat sheet on how to talk about the president because they did they don't know that's not the world they're operating in they're like no i'm here to actually just you know cheerlead this guy fucking it all up that's really what i'm here for yeah i mean my husband was talking to a family member um back one of his family members a while back and he the family member is a trump supporter and was like you know uh obama he was so divisive they don't know what

they mean when they say because he goes he goes okay whatever that means uh i don't agree with it but okay name because he goes why don't you like obama right he goes he was divisive he's like i okay that doesn't make sense i don't agree with you but name name a policy that he put in place that you disagree with and this person could not he goes it was four years ago i don't remember and he's like and i'm like i remember things that obama did that i don't like like and i liked obama like i remember policies that he put in place that i disagree with like you know so the fact that you hate him and you can't name one actual thing that he did that negatively impacted your life other than a vague like they get these talking points like the divisive thing that's

when you hear a lot about yeah and they're already saying it about biden and it's like he's not even president yet that's when you know your circuits are fried with hate you know like it happens with like sports fans i'm like man fuck the clippers man they they're bullshit and they're like well what the clippers do to you i'm like come on why are you asking me that it's just because i'm a laker fan it's not that i have a real i can articulate a reason it's that just i'm i'm resonating at a frequency in which i just hate this shit it's not because i'm thinking about it i'm just not thinking at all uh and i think that's what a lot of these people their ability to sort of look at policy, it's not really policy they're looking at. It's just this, the effects of what a president does to other people that they're into.

Yeah. This political scientist talks about just training, like the way to work on this is something that we've been talking a lot about on our show is just like focusing on, like locally, focusing on like the kinds of schools and jobs that train us in the habits of citizenship uh and by like creating the background conditions in which we can actually solve problems in our families and our communities um because yeah the it's just fully until we are no longer being communicating primarily through social media and cable news like this is going to be what we're dealing with. Right. At a national level.

Do you think there's something to like I get we always talk about there's a lack of empathy on the right, but that a lot of voters who are just sort of in this full MAGA world actually don't even believe in the concept of something like trauma even for themselves right you know because they don't know that they are to say to be like oh you're a snowflake or whatever like sure but you there's an underlying thing to why someone may be upset by something right like you I wonder if wonder if you sat down, like, have you ever been wronged, man? Have you ever been through anything traumatic? I wonder, like, what that sort of thought experiment goes to if they're able to say, yeah, like, are they willing to be vulnerable? You know, because at the same time, if you reject the idea that anything is bad

is happening to other people, you probably also believe that nothing bad has ever happened to you as well because you can't even make that jump i don't know there's just something i've in the language that's always being used i'm like i wonder if they're even willing to say that they've ever actually been hurt or they know that they've been hurt and how they've been looking at that i don't know i'm not a yonla but i mean i think there's like also uh something to the concept of like authoritarianism authoritarianism is like it makes people feel safe to buy into a fundamentalist religion or authoritarian regime because if they were brought up fundamentalist um in a or in an authoritarian religion um it teaches you fear and it teaches you that um i'm gonna mess up the the concept but um that you are in danger from the outer outside and that this is the place like this this this sect or this this religion

this um political party whatever is what keeps you safe from the evil on the outside um and the only way to um maintain that feeling of security is to have a strong man leader to carry out, you know, and to protect you, to carry that out. And that is why you see a lot of, why pro-life is such a strong element of the Trump, like, um element of the trump like trump trumpy trumps um yeah coalition is that because pro-life fundamentally is about controlling other people and it's authoritarian i want authority over what you can do with your life do that yeah and um and that goes into like transgender stuff because it's like, I've always been like, why do you care? Like,

I'm just like, why do you care what somebody does? Like, and, and it's because it's a authoritarian. I want to control others that aren't like me because difference and unknown is frightening to me. And so I feel like so much of it is people who are really afraid and they're afraid of stuff that's not real.

You know, it's a boogeyman type stuff, but to them it's very real. Can they make that jump where they can admit they're afraid? I think that's the biggest difference, right? Is that like it'll always be sort of draped in this faux aggressive thing of like no man we're good we're like we're fucking like this we're american yeah and it's like you're pissing your pants yeah and it's fucking everything up is bigotry i mean abortion to me the whole abortion debate to me is so rooted in racism i mean it's like you know it yeah all of it to me is rooted in racism like the welfare and

stuff i don't want my taxes going to right to who you know like because you don't mind taxes going to farmers right i mean farmers are getting like wealth you know so many farmers in this country are basically living on welfare from the subsidies. And I could go on and on. That never gets a complaint. Not on Fox News, who I think it's sort of inevitable that anybody who falls for Donald Trump will end up either in a messy divorce with him or like the child of a messy divorce with him. And that's where a lot of Trump supporters now find themselves is Trump is going through a messy divorce with Fox, Fox News. Well, he has to. Yeah. Because they're

leaving him out here in the cold. Yeah. I mean, look what you're doing. He spent most of the morning on Thursday just hate tweeting at Fox and being like, I didn't really even fucking like them anyway. He tweeted, at Fox News, daytime ratings have completely collapsed. Weekend daytime, even worse.

Very sad to watch this happen, but they forgot what made them successful, what got them there. They forgot the golden goose. The biggest difference between the 2016 election and the 2020 was at fox news yeah all right come on wonka how much for the golden goose wonka all right what the fuck he's the golden goose okay i think that's probably the best description

of himself he's ever given right like that completely matches his internal it tracks yeah yeah and you know but i think this is the thing the clearest indication that we have that he is That completely matches his internal vision. It tracks. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, but I think this is the thing, the clearest indication that we have that he is leaving office, that he's not, even though he's installing, like, a bunch of fucking Devin Nunes people, like all the people in the Pentagon, if you look, one of the things they have in common is that they were all in on, like, trying to smear any Russia investigation.

So it makes sense that these are all loyalists i'm your boss now ha ha ha remember me when i said release the memo that's me cash patel and then what the other guy anthony tata who's like literally said i'm pretty sure that obama is like a terrorist demon or something like that yeah he's also there as well cash patel and anthony tata and these are not made up names. You're just making up off the top of your head. But yeah, aside from all that, the signs that he's going to leave is that he's really talking about or the grumblings around him starting his own news network is only growing. And that makes sense because the only thing that is real to this man is money.

And he has none and he has a none and he has debts so the easiest pivot out of this fucking white house would be to digital media and more merch and just start writing books and just start you know basically commodifying everything that you've done the last four years and just bleed your supporters dry and on axios they have some choice quotes from insiders about this plan quote he plans to wreck fox no doubt about it okay that that tracks no doubt about it sounds like it's coming from him that he's the source no doubt about it he's like jonathan yeah jonathan swan just like all right mr president what do you want me to write here he plans to wreck fox no doubt

about it yeah no doubt actually put no doubt does that sound can you imagine him like that's it's so interesting because it's like he's always been in these different like he was on the apprentice he was a guest on talk shows and stuff he would call in to fox call in call in then he's on rallies then he's president do you see him being like a Hannity like actually hope like is he controlled like I don't think he has the work ethic no to be able to sit and do a show every day like I think that that would it would need a studio audience he's not going into a studio to talk down the barrel it would be one of the worst shows ever made I mean like because it would just be him ranting.

It would be a rally, like his rallies, like put every night in a studio. And imagine them trying to write that for him or just produce it. Like what a nightmare that would be. I think it'll just be him going out in front of a crowd, riffing for an hour each night. And, you know, Hannity will follow him to this new network

and Hannity will follow him to this new network and Hannity will either be on hand or he'll have the show that like leads in to that and yeah I I have no doubt he'll be able to do that because it is the thing like that seems to be the one thing that feeds him is like getting out in front of people and just like keeping that going and their you know adulation is like what wouldn't you just it has to be a studio audience and he'd be like you know i just really wanted like a just a fun vibe you know the last four years it's just about connecting with the people and i just want to it's like a daytime show yeah all right everybody i'm in the house y'all let's get it going yep it's trumpy

baby you know what time it is all right watch me do the move the elliptical oh you love this one all right all right so yeah today we have richard spencer this is so good he's gonna be talking about uh nazism a little bit at the top of the hour and then later on we're gonna have like what the fuck i yeah can you imagine him even sharing the air with anyone like even having a guest or talking to anyone like it's just him talking like he would he couldn't do an interview like he wouldn't be able to share the spotlight for even a second people will come up for five seconds but they have to talk about how great he is. It'll be a little pimp. Little pimp is coming up right now. He's going to talk about how huge my dick is.

You and Conway, big shout outs to you guys. Like the whole thing. I think it would be like how Lauren Lapkus had that podcast with special guest Lauren Lapkus, where the guest is actually the host to invite Lauren Lapkus on like that's the Donald Trump shows the guest will be the host to interview the host guest Donald Trump I think that's the only way like you could keep the dynamic up he's like thanks for having me it's like dude it's your own fucking show what yeah uh but yeah so he's gonna the other thing that he has it is to his advantage with this whole news network is, look, he's probably going to go streaming because he doesn't have the money to actually get on cable.

It's prohibitively expensive when you're broke. But what he has in his favor is just an inexhaustible list of slack-jawed racists who are willing to be bombarded with like angry fundraising emails and like texts like they're engaged people so he has like a list to send out a blast to be like it's coming baby so he there i you know i think there's money to be made and i think based on what other things we're hearing from people on the right which is the new tact from like pundits or just talking head gop people were like i mean he's going to make so much money when he leaves i mean if he just thinks about all the opportunities he has when he leaves it's like now they're trying to coax him out of the white house with a with cash

yeah well that's what i saw those headlines about he could get a hundred million dollar book deal which it's i mean i read i read the whole story and people were like, that doesn't sound likely, but it could. I was like, but if I was a publisher, I would be dangling that. I'd be like, we'll give you $100 million, Donald. You just have to concede. And then as soon as he concedes, be like, nope. Oh, sorry. I said, we're a publishing house.

Oh, we had some change. Oh, there's a big shake-up happening right it's like we got a network type we just got bought by condé nast you know yeah i mean it's just oh god you hate to see it donald you really do but even with all this like noise he's making because he was being really loud about stop this deal um his followers who are typically very loyal they're kind of letting him down because you know as he was screaming stop this deal there was a little quote-unquote protest at the fox like dc headquarters you know just to show the network you know like when they pull up when president trump says stop

this deal and his smear fox news oh we come we show out in numbers and by numbers i mean eight people and one of them is a child they had eight people together uh apparently like off of the energy the president was giving out and when reporters are asking the person who organized it you're like yo like what's good man like i thought this was a big deal for y'all like i thought you're stopping this deal like and y'all only got eight people that doesn't seem like that serious. And his response is, quote, what we care about is measuring the votes, not measuring what you tell me is important, said Martin, flanked by a masked protester in a pro-Trump shirt that promised to, quote, make liberals cry again. Ooh. Not measuring what you tell me is important. Like, I'm not telling you.

Like, aren't you disheartened by the lack of support you have right yeah meanwhile tuggar carlson i don't they have like a mega rally over the weekend happening oh yeah of course the million mega march uh man setting themselves up right there anything short of a million also like come on y'all are trying to that okay do you know what you're the the play of the title is off of when black men were don't worry about it uh so you know they're there to stop this deal and you know do white power shit with their friends apparently over the weekend there will be appearances by the oath keepers who are there to fight antifa uh info wars has been like going through the south trying to to get people on a caravan to go to D.C.

The Proud Boys, who are currently in the middle of a meltdown because they're trying to be fully unmasked Nazis, which most people are like, yeah, we knew that, though, you fucking idiots. No one was like, the Proud Boys aren't fucking white supremacists, even though they have token minorities in the group. white supremacists even though they have you know token minorities in the group they are going to be there but depending on who you ask like which person who was quote-unquote leading him one guy the dude who is uh from florida enrique terrio he's like saying that he thinks they'll be lucky if they get a hundred thousand people he's like dude they're not getting a face like a million he's like a million so stupid to brand it like that because you're not gonna get fucking close and it's gonna look like a failure he's like a hundred thousand stupid to brand it like that because you're not going to get fucking close and it's going to look like a failure. He's like a hundred thousand is like if the shit's on God mode.

Right. Other than that, like you can forget about it. And he's the leader who they're trying to kick out because he's not white. Because he is not white. Yeah. Yeah. So that's cool. I just saw someone make a good point that was like the reason you're not seeing millions of Trump supporters taking to the streets and doing, I mean, we were not there yet necessarily, historically speaking.

Like the Women's March wasn't until January at some point or February. But like part of the reason you're not seeing that level yet, at least, I mean, I could, like you said, there could be a God thing and like 100,000 people show up, but like, is because they actually don't feel like their lives are threatened or like their, like that their rights are going to be taken away. I don't like, I think that they, they know, they know that they're, I just think they fundamentally don't have the same level of fear that, uh, you know, everyone else had when trump came into office i mean if you watch if they keep watching tucker carlson and sean hannity and laura ingram like they they're doing their best to get those people yeah they are like there's a nazi takeover the difference is you could be a trans person in this country and get attacked you could be a black

person and get killed by the police you can be a woman and you're seeking like a control over your own body in a medical context and you won't get it so that shit's real it's more enough people i think yeah like that shit is like they're i'm looking at the shit they're talking about they they're on like this weird 1984 or what like they're talking about microchips and shit yeah it's like it's satanic panic and it's like it it isn't direct in their life it's very abstract it's like the babe they're they're they're molesting the children they're chopping them up and eating the children like they don't there's no immediate like i'm frightened for my own child's life i'm frightened for you know whatever i mean i

think some are some are thinking that we're headed towards uh venezuela social like they they think that but even that is pretty abstract yeah um so it's not it's not a good motivator of movements that's why you look at what happened over the summer and you see tons of people in the street because whether they know their lives are threatened directly or other people can say, oh, I know enough people that this is an issue and I'm standing in solidarity with them. That's the real shit. Being out here, being fucking, you know, going through white supremacy withdrawals on cable news. That's not real. That's not.

Unfortunately, that's not the kind of shit that when you have your back to the wall you do something about you're just you know your show got canceled that's it yeah yeah yeah that's a good way that's a good way of describing it yeah uh all right let's take a quick break we'll come back and talk about the country music awards I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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Locatora Radio. We're so excited for you to hear our brand new podcast, Señora Sex Ed. Listen to Señora Sex Ed on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast and we're back and uh the country music awards happened uh i think on wednesday people yeah so I had no idea. Yeah. You'd think they would have gotten the message when multiple musical acts began pulling out of the show because they were literally testing positive for COVID because America's in the middle of a huge spike.

The musicians themselves? Yeah, they were like, hey, sorry. Oh, my God. Lady A, the band who changed their name to avoid seeming racist, but are currently suing a 62-year-old black artist who was already performing under that name. They had to cancel mere hours before the award ceremony after a family member got COVID.

There was a country singer who themselves tested positive and had to pull out of the medley tribute to charlie daniels who we will talk about in a moment um but yeah so the way that the cma has pitched the awards this year is it's been a year y'all but for three hours next wednesday on ab. This is a no drama zone. They extended that to include no masks were allowed to be visible on the artists when they were cutting to the crowd.

They weren't allowed to be wearing masks. They're doing an actual award ceremony in person. They're not doing a virtual one. Yes, in person. No, it's a trump rally doing it remotely is uh is too dramatic i think uh so they wanted to do they wanted to get everybody together pretend like it was 2019 the ap 10 is fucking 16 19 right exactly the ap like the associated press pulled out of its planned coverage uh like They're always there to just take pictures of whatever's happening anytime there's a nationally televised award ceremony. They had to pull out due to restrictions being placed on their still photographers. said that they couldn't be inside and also couldn't take screen caps of the broadcast

of crowd shots because they didn't want them to see people being maskless but they also didn't want the people to wear masks but i thought this was drama free y'all what's going on what's all this other drama we're not seeing the drama it's's so sick. Yeah. So they wanted to present the image that everything in the world is fine, not alienate their anti-masker viewers. And according to reports, several guests had clear face shields, but hid them during crowd shots. And while they were required to wear masks elsewhere in the venue, when sitting at their tables during the show,

everyone's faces were maskless. What? So they just did a super spreader event for no fucking reason. Well, just because they know that their people just want to see them live in some weird Truman show. They're like, well, the NBA

had the NBA bubble, so our people need something. We just aren't going to go through the process of actually making it safe. It's just this also white fragility on show. Let's be real. It's like, don't show us as being human beings who are susceptible to things like scientifically acknowledged viruses. Who is this for? It's really them or so i don't know why they're like this projection of oh but this place is safe you know like we don't have to worry uh when we're all together here at the cmas yeah yeah it's a it well it's like what trump said like um don't let it

control your life yeah and it's like yeah as he said it with the weirdest voice what an absolute horrendous thing to say to the nation like we're when people have died and you know so many people have died and been and are sick and still sick and like it's just not him he feels better than ever feels like it's 20 years ago i just got back from walter reed medical none of them died. Herman Cain's the only one. What? I mean, come on. Give us one. It's a fucked up racist script where the black dude died first.

I don't know how that happened. But you'd think they would fucking do some tweaking here. The universe needs to correct itself. Well, it's like, I don't want people. I'm not one of those people that's like, I wish death on people. Like, I do draw a line although i will be happy i'll be happy when trump's dead like that's different than me wishing he was dead actively right sure um but i uh i don't understand how so many of the republican like the administration

all the people that got covid, none of them died. Like, I just hate the messaging. I hate, I'm like. Yeah. Come on, universe. We're almost died, you know, like, come on. Like, he's stronger.

Speaking of people who died from coronavirus, there was no mention at the Country Music Awards of John Prine, who is a country legend who died of covid back in april uh he's written songs for no drama cash uh don't bring that moranda lambert however uh the show did honor uh did open honoring charlie daniels who died recently and it's kind of weird considering he was a racist conspiracy theorist who routinely attacked democrats on social media most recently issued

a stern warning to taco bell not to joke about the illuminati uh bell luminati ads uh they were charlie daddell's warned taco oh this is so good yeah uh he sent them a tweet hey taco bell space return the illuminati is not a frivolous subject uh so you know okay charlie i mean you would know the devil went down to georgia i mean based on that electoral college map the devil surely went down to georgia this year i don't know what happened y'all but this is a drama free uh environment well we will we will disrespect the dead like what the fuck they really they didn't even do like a like all award shows do like all right let's do like in memoriam nope all the lost homies nah pour out a little bit of our tobacco spittoon yeah yeah damn pour out a little spittoon yeah um but they were good to honor charlie daniels

because you know he's the kind of drama that they feel all right about that doesn't bother them god i want to know more about charlie charlie's intersection with the illuminati and what happened yeah you know he's got some stories like no see i said you know i've been around this country man and i met some in the tapes like yeah like you know he's got some story that like he uses to get everybody to buy in on like his Illuminati shit oh god yeah that is the country music awards shout out to writer Jay McNabb for watching that for

us you poor son of a bitch alright well Sarah it has been a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people find you and follow you? SarahShafer1 on all platforms. The first.

Yep, the first. The only. Actually, there's many Sarah Shafers. I didn't get Sarah Shafer in time. So I'm SarahShafer1. Do you know who the Sarah Shafer is that has been beating you to all your social handles? No, and I'm such an idiot. I got Twitter early, and I could have gotten Sarah Schaefer, but I didn't know Twitter was going to become a thing.

And I did my AOL screen name. That's how early I got Twitter. That was my first handle. That's how early I got Twitter. That was my first handle, and then Crayshon blocked me when the song Gucci Gucci came out because I was talking a lot of shit. And then I had to change my handle so I could get back in the Twittersphere. Anyway, a little Twitter story for you. My beef with Crayshon. And your book's name is?

Grand. Grand. And people can find it wherever books are sold yes is there a tweet or some other active social media you've been enjoying uh you know i've kind of like gone deep on tiktok i'm mesmerized by it i like i'm disturbed by it like how quickly the algorithm identified what i wanted to see yeah because it was one of the first things in the modern age of knowing about algorithms and how after watching the social dilemma like like i joined tiktok clean like you know they didn't know anything about me right within two weeks they're like you're a a liberal or a left-leaning person

who enjoys smackdowns on republicans like you like girls lip-syncing up close like anime characters like you know just like right right what now i can't escape. Fuck you, algorithm. The algorithm read me for filth. TikTok encourages me. The youth are utilizing it. Older people are using it too in very creative ways. But it is a time suck because you just get stuck in the scroll. Yeah. You got to limit it.

Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Let's see. Twitter, Instagram is where you people find you what's tweet you've been enjoying uh i'm going let's see twitter instagram uh is where you can find me at miles of gray and also the other podcast 420 day fiance check that out um and let's see a tweet i like it's really just a video clip i'm seeing from at espn fc look i love soccer i love European footy. And there are some international matches going on. And they're allowing fans in the stands of the Northern Ireland and Slovakia game. And what they're showing on ESPN is this disinfecting booth that fans are walking through. These fans are full on with their scarves and jerseys.

And it's like they step in and they're just getting misted with, I don't know, if it's like methanol or something just to disinfect them. But it just seems very archaic. And I'm not sure that's going to help. But, you know, a glimpse into our future. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying. Desus Nice tweeted Pfizer dropping the

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footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what are we riding into the weekend on this is a group that has a very um a very interesting origin story uh this is a group called reina tropical and it's uh fabi reina and sum. Okay, they're a duet, a duo, but they met like at this, like at Bonnaroo at some Red Bull like thing for musicians

and they hit it off so immediately. Like that day, they just started making an album and the music's like really, it's fun when you see two people who like make music and they just vibe and they're like, okay, so we're just doing this immediately. So this track is called Nina. And it's just got like, it's cool.

She's very much like got her Latin vibes on guitar and then more like sort of beady production, but it's done in a very like trippy way. So it's a good, easy listen with some nice texture. So this is Nina by Reina Troika. All right, we are going to ride out on that. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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