The Daily Zeitgeist - Pumpkin Spice Everything Or Bust, Supreme Court Is Down With Anti-Abortion Sickness

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

In episode 981, Jack and Miles are joined by Cool Zone Media's Christopher Wong to discuss abortion and the Supreme Court, a Trump rally in Alabama, Seinfeld coming to Netflix, pumpkin spice madness and more!FOOTNOTES: Supreme Court Lets Abortion Become Fuctionally Illegal in Texas Alabama town in the FIND OUT phase of having a Trump Rally during a pandemic  Some show called Seinfeld? Is headed to Netflix in October  LISTEN: Still Woozy - "Woof" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And you may know him as the guy who ends every tweet with, moreover, ice must be destroyed. Please welcome to the show, Christopher Wong! Hey, hey, hey. Hello, happy to be here. Oh, ice must be destroyed. Please welcome to the show, Christopher Wong! Hey, hey, hey. Hello, what's up, man? Happy to be here. Oh, lovely to have you. Lovely to have you. So how's the Daily Show grind treating you?

You know, yeah, I think, yeah, in week two was when I just lost all sense of time. And, you know, we'll see how week, like, 200 goes when I just, like, have forgotten that calendars exist. Right. And haven't slept in one trillion years. It's going to be great. It's going to be great.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, it blurs together at first. It can be very nervy experience. And then you settle in, you know, like a nice warm bath. Then you don't realize that you're slowly sinking in deeper and deeper. To the point where you're like, it's been how many years? It's been 200 seasons.

Yeah. And then pretty soon all you can do is, it's been, and my wife. And, you know, my wife leaves me. Yeah. Because that's the only thing i can do when interacting with her please the family's falling apart my wife all right september how's september treating everyone so far oh my god wow couldn't be better first day of school of school for the youngins today. Absolute chaos, mate.

Oh, for your children's? Yeah, for my children's. Okay. It was wild. It was like just a massive mass of screaming children with their parents, dropping them off. And then we went around the corner to drop our preschooler off at the preschool, walked back. It was like a ghost town. It was just completely empty. It was like in the movies, you know, when the bell rings and suddenly the hall's empty.

Right, right, right. Yeah. So school, you know. I hear you. Those were the days. Anyways, kindergarten, big kindergarten for Ramsey. So we're excited. Chris, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today.

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All of that, plenty more. But first, Christopher, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh, God. So yesterday I wound up searching Posner selling babies, which is a fun time so something something that i learned about at the university of chicago is that anyone who gets like too into markets eventually like reaches a phase where they go you have to sell babies and so and there's a lot of people who do this

posner specifically this guy named richard posner who this guy was like he was he was he was he was on the seventh circuit Circuit Court of Appeals for like 40 years. He's like one of the most influential like legal scholars of the 21st century. Actually he's written two articles now about like how you need to have like adoption agencies being able to sell

babies and that like basically the adoption industry without the market has like an unfair monopoly and so to break the monopoly you have to let them sell children. Right. Because the people who are willing to pay the highest are definitely inherently the most worthy humans.

So it makes sense. It's the specific thing. So I'm remembering this and like Murray Rothbard who's like the big narco-capitalist guy is huge on this and i was trying to remember because i had to read like both of them in college and i was trying to remember one of the two argued that it would end racism because everyone would see that there were

like different values on like prices of babies because uh like by race and that this would show everyone that racism was real and would end racism and i was like whoa by creating a baby market yep wow amazing yeah it's libertarianism is a is a time it is wow so this is the thing that basically all libertarian like economists, like people who are just like, let the market decide, like kind of end up at is like, well, babies for certain. What's their issue with the current system is just that too much bureaucracy.

Yeah. Well, basically the problem is that there's a, like the adoption agencies have, have a monopoly and, you know, monopolies are inefficient. And so to have efficient,

like exchange of babies, you have to have have markets and this is the kind of stuff where like you know at a certain point the the people actually in power look at the idea like the people who believe this like the hardcore ideologues right they're like the people who are really committed to the market is the most efficient way to do anything and at some point people in charge like stop them, and this is where the line gets drawn. It's like this, and when they tried to have an auction

between the different branches of the military to see who would run the nuclear program, that's the point where everyone tells them to stop. But this is the thing that a lot of... A disturbing number of people who are very influential believe should happen, but we'll never talk about publicly because baby selling is just a weird look. Right.

And, you know, Texas is about to have a bumper crop of babies for sale, so that's going to be great for the markets for babies are us Posner like legit talks about this in his thing about how like abortion is affecting the supply of babies right and how this place it's yeah hmm sometimes a little thinking can go a little too far

yeah a little thinking a little bit just a tiny sliver of very specific thinking without being anchored to any sort of humanity. Right. Well, trying to prove your point like that, you're essentially saying like, oh, yeah, like babies are like Honda Preludes. You know, like people just got to know that there's like certain ones get a little more money. But you and that's how we'll be able to melt our biases. Right. Jesus.

Oh, and you were just looking at that because you were wondering, wait, are markets the most efficient way to distribute babies? Or you were doing that for a. It was kind of a reason. It was kind of a reason. Robert Evans was like, Chris, you're doing a, as punishment, you're doing a thing on libertarians and their weird distinction between, like, pedophilia

and, what is it, epedophilia? The one that's like slightly older or whatever. So that sent me down the selling baby train. Then I was like, wait, okay, hold on. Which one of these people was the selling babies will solve racism people and which one of them is Pareto efficient? And, yeah, this is just what my life is now I was not aware of the libertarian pro-pedophilia that was a I mean kind of makes sense based on everything else they believe

it's just an idea it's just a theory it's just a theory you know just looking into it right that's libertarianism hell of a truck yeah yeah uh what is something you think is overrated besides libertarianism i mean yeah uh okay i'm gonna do another controversial one and say that pizza is overrated it's like like it's like fine right but like okay so compare the average slice of pizza in the world to like the world's average dumpling right like okay you think looking at this right you have the average slice of pizza and you're comparing it to like soup dumplings or like gyoza or like samosas or protein it's like it's it's okay it's like it's a good food but it's just not as good as everyone thinks it is here.

Right. I think the reason we love it is because it's of just a crowd pleaser. You know, it's hard to say no. But like, is it the be all end all of foods? I'm definitely not in that camp. I mean, I love pizza, but not like in the sense like if you gave me a choice of like maybe some other delicious foods, too. I like yeah no i'm good for pizza you know pizza's a time and place are you also saying that dumplings are kind of harder to fuck up because like i feel like i've had some really good frozen dumplings like not eating them while frozen but you know frozen dumplings like that you then heat up and they're still pretty good i have not had as much success

with frozen pizza frozen pizza generally sucks yeah i mean they're probably i mean they're it is possible to like screw up a dumpling but i feel like the the people who are doing it are better at it than just like the average just absolutely awful like weird like probably like six week old uh like home-running pizza that comes out of like that is sort of in a box but was like seven minutes before in a freezer yeah yeah yeah no totally right yeah i mean pizza has is has become so popular that, you know, they churn them out now. They'll just, you know, start adding cheese to pizza if there's a cheese surplus, as happened in the, I think, in the 80s or 90s. What'll be next? What's the next surplus that they're going to start forcing onto pizzas?

Oh, what's this? Yeah. Just grapes? Grape topping pizzas? Oh, man. Get a load of these. I mean, Super Producer was saying on Twitter the other day that we should put corn on pizza more often. Which, corn?

Yeah. Oh, man. Japan, fucking corn is like on pizza out there. And I used to think it was very strange as a kid. But, you know, in context, it's yeah, there's really nothing. A couple of corn kernels on a pizza. You're not going to be like, what the fuck? I mean, it's just like everything is fucking corn. So, yeah, it's true to me.

Pineapple is still more jarring. Corn doesn't really have as much of a flavor that it's going to fully inform the rest of the experience. But a little ham and corn, why not? I'm surprised that corn hasn't been forced down our throat more as a pizza topping in the United States since that is. I guess we've found ways to use corn otherwise. I think everything that I'm currently touching, including my computer, is actually at least 30% made of corn. The water I drink is mostly corn. Everything is 30%. I wonder how much of the pizza is already just corn. Just like with the corn syrup, in the sauce yeah i mean is it is that

is it gonna make its way into the dough probably not right i don't know i hope not but yeah what is something you think is underrated the show leverage have you seen leverage i have not okay leverage leverage rules leverage is basically the premise of the show is every episode is it's it's it's a 40 minute heist movie with con artists except basically like they they they steal from the rich and give the poor people and they do it by just running incredibly elaborate and absurd cons on people who suck and it's it is an extremely good time and more people should know about it because it's just,

it's, it's just fun. Where can you watch it? Is it an old show? Oh yeah. It was on from 08 to 2012. Yeah. There's a new season two that I think you can watch on Amazon prime or

something, but yeah, it was originally 2008 and it's like a very, it's a very like post 2008 show in like the best way that I only sort of vaguely remember because I was like 12. But like, you know, it's very post 2008 in that like, there's a bunch of rich people and they're all bad. And the goal of the show is to screw those people over.

And it's okay. Right, right, right. Just like anger about the, the session and the subprime lending shit. Yeah, yeah. And it's okay right right right just like anger about the the culture recession and the subprime lending shit yeah yeah you know and it holds up right because like even when they brought the show back like a lot of the sort of old shows that they reboot like are bad because they don't you know the the the premise of whatever it was about is like and like you know is it that that robin hoodness that you yeah yeah really speaks to you yeah it's a robin hoodness and then also this i just i like heist movies and this is like this is like five seasons of heist movie that's also con artists

which is just extremely fun okay yeah it's funny because that was one of those shows too where i just saw the poster and i'm like don't know what that's about yeah don't know what it's about it's vague looks like people standing in front of a truck okay maybe the truckers but now uh okay this is interesting maybe i'll have to check this one yeah it's a it's a good time it was a tnt original it looks like it originally aired on tnt yeah yeah that's when i was i would never cast my eyes upon anything from tnt in that era so yeah this all this all tracks for me back then if you had suggested a tnt original we would have cut your feed yeah it's not allowed get out i do

feel like there are a number of shows like from that tier of cable like um i Suits is one of these that I just don't, I never gave a chance purely because they were on TNT or USA. And I was like, well, okay. Yeah. Like, I'm going to watch that white collar. And they're probably, I probably should have. So I will check it out. Leverage, which you can watch on Apple TV for free. If you have a Apple or the,

is that what it's called? Apple TV or Apple plus, whatever that is. Whatever it is. I have no idea. They have replaced one of the main characters with an iPad. However, it's so versatile.

As we talked about on yesterday's episode uh the apple original programming is all just shot through with like kind of the most aggressive product placement of all time but all right well let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. between Latinas from Gen X to Gen Z. We're covering everything from body image to representation in film and television. We even interview iconic Latinas like Puerto Rican actress Ana Ortiz. I felt in control of my own physical body and my own self.

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citizens to file civil suits against abortion providers or anyone who helps facilitate the procedure, such as a person who drives a pregnant person to the clinic. So it's basically making it so that you can be like financially ruined for having any involvement in helping somebody get an abortion after after six weeks. Yeah, it's a bad it's the it's like the height of fucked up abortion laws. I mean, and this one is the different because it's actually gone into effect. A lot of times we see things that are proposed and then they'll get caught up in courts and then struck down and things like that. But this was allowed to go into effect. And, you know, a lot of advocates who talk about birth control access and abortion access say,

you know, this isn't just meant to punish the people who are seeking abortions, but to basically kneecap the entire infrastructure that supports someone who is seeking to exercise any kind of agency over their own body. So yeah, by doing that, saying, well, now if, oh, I saw this person get dropped off in this car to walk into a women's clinic, I'm going to write down, I'm going to do my own fucking investigating and go to court. And it's just wild because if they, it's like basically just giving $10,000 away to someone who is suing someone because they suspect them of having an abortion. And even if the person defends themselves successfully in court against this, like whatever vigilante suit, there's like no way for them to recoup anything. It's just sort of,

it is what it is. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a fucking grim, grim moment, you know,

and right now there's pretty much as this, as this law is, the only option you really have is to go out of state. Right. And to your point about like the six week thing, that's, they're saying that's 85 to 90% of the women who seek abortions in the state of Texas. Right. Like if it's as after that six week thing, that's they're saying that's 85 to 90 percent of the women who seek abortions in the state of Texas. Right. Like if it's after that six week point.

So, yeah, we're looking at just a really, you know, draconian, just outright ban on abortion there, basically. American conservative about like deputizing people to like spy on and like enforce the fucking law against their neighbors like just in my experience where living in communities that were like strongly Baptist Southern Baptist that is that is the culture, is people talking shit about each other's, like, whether they're saved or not, and whether, like, what actions they've taken that they think is, like, you know, sinful. our country, especially because, I mean, this is people are saying, like, well, if they're not going to stop this law, they're certainly, you know, in when it actually comes up for Supreme Court judgment. Like this is another one of the cases that's kind of shadow docked it where they like pushed it through on an emergency basis. And the Supreme Court just hasn't done anything about it, even though it's clearly a constitutional emergency. But when the actual Roe v. Wade case comes up, I mean, it's not Roe v. Wade coming up, but there's a actual case in Mississippi, I believe, coming up for Supreme Court judgment. I mean, this indicates that they're going to essentially overturn Roe. Right. Or, you know, the thing with this one is it's this bill, as the as the law is now, is unconstitutional. Absolutely. And so and it's and yeah, it is a reminder that, yeah, we have a six three conservative fucking majority super majority, essentially, in the Supreme Court.

majority, super majority, essentially in the Supreme court. And yeah, I mean like, and this is one of those things too, what a lot of states do is they see a little bit of like, you know, especially states that are hell bent on taking away people's access to abortions and things like that. They look at what other states are doing, what they've got gotten away with, and they'll immediately start mimicking that locally too. So yeah, it's just a very uh very awful awful time and yeah there's a there's clearly a ton of litigation around this but it it really doesn't bode well uh for you know the roe v wade as it stands you know one thing i will say about this though is that like well i mean on the one hand we have the thing that we're know, we're all just ruled by a junta now. Like, this is literally like we are being governed by fiat, by like a junta of like random people from Harvard and Yale.

Right. And it's like, you know, but on the other hand, like, you know, this cuts in a lot of different directions. But the Supreme Court's power is fake. Right. different directions but the supreme court's power is fake right like you like they basically the supreme court's power of judicial review is something they just declared that they had in the early in the i think it's late 1700s early 1800s they just like unilaterally and marburgers medicine just said like we have the ability to do this and you know the state can just ignore them like this is this is something that like you only see it every once in a while.

It's usually only done for, like, absolutely terrible evil. But, like, you can just tell the Supreme Court to fuck off, and there's nothing they can do about it. Like, legally, they do, like, the powers that they claim to have are not in the Constitution. They just gave it to themselves. And so, you know, I mean, like, this is the point we're at now, right? Like, being ruled by Junta, they're just, you know, they're evicting millions of people by weird fiat. They're about to just take everyone's, you know, ability to have abortions away. And, like, that's the kind of stuff that, like, we have to actually be thinking about because we've reached the sort of, like, fascism level where they've created like just the abortion gestapo who are just like like one of the things i was reading about was on on you know the last nights where abortions were legal like a whole bunch of the these people like showed up to the

abortion clinics and were like shining spotlights through the windows of the like like of the hospital is just yeah just absolute horror show yeah just yeah but yeah i'm wondering you know that's where we have to arrive at a point where it's like we're adjudicating these monumentally important societal issues with a group of people that like can like with a system that can be gamed essentially with how you, how you make up the Supreme court and then still being like, right. Uh, based on like the rigid interpretation of the constitution,

we decide to not give people civil rights. Yeah. And that's that. So where, where, where is the, you know, where are the remedies for that?

And where we know at what point are we going to begin to really actually trying to think of how to reform this sort of form of oversized power that they have and typically goes against the well-being of most people. that they don't have the power to do this. Like, practically speaking, they, you know, in a state like Texas, where Republicans and conservatives kind of run everything, like, they'll, if you ignore this ruling and, you know, get or perform an abortion, like, they can still sue you and take a bunch of, take lots of your money, right? So it's not all you know in some instances and that's what's really vile about this is that it incentivizes people to just be probably pretty frivolous i'm sure there's someone who's going to figure out a way to do

math and be like well if i take these many lawsuits and this many hit then i can actually have a good income just harassing people who are trying to get an abortion right yeah and even more than just that like you know people are anytime you have a system that's just like hey you can snitch on your neighbors now and they'll and some people will pay you like people will just use this against random people like that that's going to just start happening right like this you know this is what happens when you create these like there just like weird Stotsy like everyone's an informant now. Like we'll pay you for informing shit. It's, you know, it degrades into not even degrades like the point of it is just to create this absolute like nightmare surveillance state where everyone around you is turning you into the state it's like right and now and has a chilling effect on anyone not just a person who's seeking an abortion but just anyone around them you know if they need help in any way now that they could be potentially caught up in

you know what can turn into a ten thousand dollar legal thing and plus whatever else other you know damages or penalties that are included with that so like at this point when they're trying to turn the entire state of texas into like footloose like do why why wouldn't joe biden and the democrats who have the power to do something like wouldn't this be the time to just be like, okay, fuck the filibuster. Like, look at, look at what they're trying to do. Like the majority of Americans are not for this sort of anti-choice legislation. So like we, we are beholden, like we have to do this or else they're basically hijacking the country from us. Like isn't isn't wouldn't that make sense? And like is what is stopping them from doing that other than just the fact that they also benefit from the status quo? I mean, I think I mean, you know, the comments from Biden have been that he's he's saying that, you know, this administration is committed to

these things and they will do what it takes to defend it. So, I mean, whether that means that they're going to bring a suit or something is possible. But I don't know right now, though, the most immediate thing would be if the Supreme Court issued a stay on the ban in the next few days. Yeah. But you'd think like if they really believed it was unconstitutional they wouldn't have allowed in the first place yeah right all right i think you know i think that there's two things with this one is that you know like a short like okay the like short of like

biden actually taking seriously the packing the court stuff which he's not going to like they're you know like even if they do a lawsuit they're going to lose right so there's not much like they're probably not going to do anything and they don't really have i don't think they have much incentive to because you know fundamentally the democratic party cares about abortion insofar as it's a good fundraising issue right and you know and like the the like the the more dire the threat the better the fundraising issue is right none you know none of that money actually will go back into, like, defending abortions. You know, abortion's already been almost functionally illegal in a lot of places before this, right? They care about it as a political prop.

They don't care about, like, actually helping people get abortions. And, you know, at least the second thing, it's like, the only thing that is going to get any of these people to do anything is if they're scared right and you know i mean and then the right was extremely effective about this right like the right did bombing campaigns the right did like they shot people like they you know they waged an enormous terror campaign and it worked and so you know at a certain point, you have to start looking at, like, okay, so how do you actually, like, how do you actually pressure any of the people who are supposed to care about this to do literally anything, right? And it's like, you know, it's probably, it's not terrorism. Like, that doesn't work. It doesn't work for us, right?

like it's it's i think it comes down to a combination of like we have to do it ourselves you know and in terms of protecting people in terms of helping people get abortions in terms of you know i guess we're gonna have to provide access now because and then also like it's up to us to scare them enough that they do the right thing because otherwise they won't yeah yeah it'll yeah that's that's why i'm really curious to see what happens In the next couple days because aside from just Stating the obvious like the President has by saying like Oh this is fucked up Well what are you going

To do about it? What are you going to Articulate as a plan to begin To try and offset that And I think a lot of people will be looking closely Because we're already like in a situation Where you look at you're like You guys have all this power and majorities and things like that. But I don't we don't see much movement when you're allowing a lot of things like just saying like pinning it on mansion and cinema to be like, well, God, if they weren't there, you know, that's just such an easy out. And it really does smack of just the will's not there if it's purely just two

people or you know it's much larger than that but if you're gonna if the narrative that you're constructing is like this one guy i mean god right folks america huh like that's that doesn't communicate the will to me that you really trying to do everything you can to to further this agenda forward that would actually be a benefit to you you know, the majority of the country. And the Supreme Court may have put a stay on this like law or like suspended this law by the time you're listening to this episode. But even if that happens, a lot of people are saying that they suspect what's happening here is that the Supreme Court is letting this law go into effect as sort of a weather balloon to see what the reaction is. Because they're like we've talked about before, that they are not a, you know, an abstract body of like higher beings who just judge based on pure reason. They are political actors. It is a political part. The Supreme Court is political.

And so people suspect that as they're getting ready to make the decision to try and functionally overturn Roe, this is a helpful early weather balloon to see what the reaction is, how bad the blowback is before they do that and also will probably help them strategize when they ultimately do uh what they're what they're talking about doing and i'm sure they're also aware that if it goes over badly enough then and people start talking about packing the court then that would be bad for their power and so you know because they're essentially like the the parent in the middle of a culture war argument that would be bad for their power. And so, you know. Because they're essentially like the parent

in the middle of a culture war argument where it's like, I think you should abortions. I don't think you should abortions. I think you're dead. Right. And then they, what is it? Well, guess what? We're a 6-3 conservative majority.

Guess how we're going to side with it and move on. And that's really like how all this shit is playing out constantly. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, between, you know, the media has been a very like soft touch, I feel like with like what they've been saying. They're like, oh, wow, it's extreme. But like not a lot of outrage. Yeah.

You know, but just merely describing it as unconstitutional rather than saying, this is completely against everything, you know, that you thought, whatever, whatever you thought America was, but just in general, what a civil society would do. This is not it. And this should not be happening at all. And this is the most extreme bill that we have on the books right now. But, you know, again, it's a, it's a slow moving process, but I'm i'm really curious to see what happens over the next 24 hours really yeah and i think it's like you know i mean this is the thing like there probably will be protests but it's like you know if people if if a bunch of people get in the street and like walk from a to b it doesn't matter like it just

doesn't like you know and you know so and if the reaction is there's a few protests but people sort of give up like you know it nothing will happen but if the reaction is like i don't know like people start shutting down airports or like you know it happened like 2017 or you know god god help them like people like you know people decide to like shut down the port of los angeles or something right right which is which the thing that is like that is possible right you know it is extremely unlikely. Like if that kind of stuff starts happening, like, yeah,

they're going to, they, they will roll it back. Last like more damage happen. Yeah. This is something you guys talked about on one of the episodes of it could happen here that, you know,

people underestimate the effectiveness of a general strike and like the media really keeps, keeps that. Yeah. Like they don't really talk that much about it but when the flight attendants threatened to strike like when during the government shut down the government was opened back up in like a few hours after after being shut down for how many days like an unprecedented like link because you know they they knew how wildly unpopular it

was going to be for people to have their vacations taken away from them yeah and i think one more thing on that is that like you know specifically like the reason it worked with that flight attendants could do this is because there's specific like logistics sectors that are extremely vulnerable like specifically like air transport and then also shipping and, you know, rail lines and stuff like that. And, you know,

like large, large scale general strikes are really hard, but you can effectively get rid of like a similar number of people's labor by just blocking the products from getting anywhere. And so, or, you know, like,

like stopping the transit system, you can, you can, you can effectively stop enormous numbers of people of labor even if, enormous numbers of people of labor even if you don't have, like, the resources you need to, like, immediately carry out a general strike.

So that kind of stuff is, I guess, like, yeah, possible and, you know, probably what's necessary if this isn't just gonna run through and steamroll us all yeah but yeah it's just happening at a time where people it's you know the timing couldn't be worse or more perfect depending on how you're looking at it because you're already just the level of despair that's just generally being felt throughout the fucking planet really all-time high and you know i think people are more hopeless but i don't know in a recent like pandemic poll it

seemed like people were more like resilient or more aware of what they had to do in terms of getting through a pandemic so i don't know how much that translates here but you'd hope that on some level there's enough outrage left in the tank yeah that was my favorite i mean i i don't put any stock in polls but just the idea of people being less hopeful more energized like those i think that needs to be what america is is not like hope implies like well you know things are gonna get better and like independent of what we do and like that has been proven time and again that that's not true like there needs to be action all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back senora sex ed is not your mommy sex talk.

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And how's that working out for them, Miles? I mean, it's just fucked up, man. 10 days or so after they had this huge rally, you're just seeing now there's just a big increase. The state saw a 16% increase in hospitalizations. The Coleman County, where the rally was, saw a 90% increase. And, you know, it's just a situation where the schools are even like, hey, with the masks, come on now. Like, that's going to be a choice for the parents to decide if they want that for their kids. And when you hear like there were like local health advocates and experts who were saying like, you know, can you tie these increased hospitalizations and things like that to this

rally? They said, quote, there were people I can assure you that said, by golly, I'm going to see that Trump rally. I've been waiting on this forever. I guarantee you there were people there that were sick. I mean, and the vaccination rate in that specific place is about 35%. So all of those things coupled together, it's like, yeah, this is kind of a bad outcome. But interestingly enough, for an area where they're like, well, we're never going to make people wear masks or vaccines. We're not going to make people wear masks, like, or like, you know, vaccines, like we're not going to really talk about it. Suddenly the school board explained, like,

you know, Facebook posts, they said, quote, where we respect the choice of parents in regards to masks, these preventative steps are necessary to slow the spread of COVID. This mandate will be for two weeks, beginning Monday,

August 30th and expiring on Friday, September 10th at the end of the school day. I was like, oh, wow. OK, because one week would have been overkill to have masks going on in the middle of a pandemic. But yeah, it's just one of those things where suddenly it's it's hard to keep up with that same rhetoric when you're looking at just the real life outcomes that are happening and they're dealing with that. the real life outcomes that are happening and they're dealing with that. By the way, kids are

the least resistant people to masks in the country, by the way. It's just like, yeah, they're adaptable. They don't give a shit. Oh, this is going to keep me from getting sick? Okay, I'll wear a mask and deal

with it. In my experience, anyone's the, anyone over the age of 50 really seems to have a very difficult time with it. So, well, that's horrible. It's very predictable, unfortunately. So let's talk about Seinfeld, the show about nothing. A show that occupies a large part of my brain.

Just remembering Seinfeld and simpsons jokes or uh you know that that's just like they're on a cycle somewhere in the back of my brain at all times and just like sometimes my brain burps it up like from my unconscious like oh yeah i do remember that scene that it has nothing to do with anything that I'm thinking about right now. What is wrong with me? But a new generation is going to get introduced to Seinfeld because Seinfeld's time on Hulu is nearing an end this summer. And I guess it vanished off the platform in June. And people were like, happened but netflix millennials yeah you know especially like my stories what happened where'd they go yeah i i had no idea

because i wasn't really keeping track of the bidding wars over seinfeld but netflix paid 500 million dollars to get that on their old platform. That's the office money. Now, I don't know. Is that have the same appeal? I'm not quite sure. I'm really curious what that actually if that's a good business decision or just merely because it's on Netflix. People are just going to be like, oh, cool.

Have you seen this show? Signed Netflix now? It's pretty fun. I don't know. Like, what are they? netflix people are just going to be like oh cool have you seen this show sign that's on netflix now it's pretty fun i don't know like what are they i don't i'm uh i guess the projections are strong enough that they felt it was worth that but yeah i i hope a part of me is like oh i'd watch that but then i'm like i don't know do i have the energy where i would like navigate to netflix to watch seinfeld because i damn sure didn didn't do it with hulu but yeah i wonder maybe this would be billy eilish's new favorite show because the like when you look at the streaming numbers like netflix is like i i feel like there's a big part of people a big part of the country

where they when they think streaming they just think. Like, that's just, Netflix has, like, taken that corner of people's brain. And so it just always, they always go to Netflix, and they only have Netflix of the streaming services. That's what the numbers seem to indicate. Netflix really dwarfs the competition. So it'll be interesting to see if this you know combo seinfeld on netflix is is going to like make seinfeld a national institution again right the press release it was really interesting they said like the credits that they give they're like it's

including julia louis dreyfus from Troll and Family Ties and Jason Alexander from Pretty Woman. I'm like, is this from the fucking eight? Like, who? They've been in other shit. Is that a bit? Like, are they doing it like, this is what it said back then, or they just really

forgot about Veep? It could be. I don't know. I mean, this is just like an extract from like an excerpt from like an article I was reading. But I mean, they're saying like, you know, it's going to be like they're giving them the whole run of like when it started to when it ended and like it's

going to be on starting October 1st, 2021. It's just a very odd. Maybe someone just didn't give a fuck when they're putting the press release together. Yeah, it's really weird because like I figured it figured it was like oh this is like this is people like me who are like either like very very young i'm like like i'm like on the border of like millennial and gen z and like i wonder if this because my usual stuff is like oh this is this is to get the zoomers to watch this but like why that the press release makes no sense with the trying to

get the boomers to watch i mean the zoomers to watch it completely befuddled you know jason alexander from pretty woman like i mean in my mind i'm like sure jason alexander from i mean he was always playing bit parts and things so it was like a monster right like in pretty woman wasn't he like just a complete misogynistic piece of shit. So it's like, you know, he was in that. He was a lovable sexual predator from Curb. That would be funny if they were throwing out Curb. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, he was the gargoyle Hugo in Hunchback of Notre Dame. He was the voice of.

I don't know what you what credits you really put for Jason Alexander where you're like, oh shit, right him, the guy from Coneheads who was the neighbor who had the toupee. Sure. But for Michael Richards, they did cite his performance

at the Laugh Factory as his one credit that everybody knows that they did go post-Seinfeld. All right. Well, it is officially September, which means it's time to bring on the pumpkin spice madness, baby. Starbucks already rolled out their fall menu, including the pumpkin spice latte back at the end of august they also

unveiled a new pumpkin love-o-meter pumpkin love-o-meter what is i think it just measures how much people want to fuck pumpkins probably what do you even do how does this meter function you ingest it you touch it you just fucking declare your love for pumpkin anything i'm i'm headed there right now miles so i can tell you it says browser not supported uh okay so they're going for ubiquity huh find out where you fall okay i. So you go on here. It says, oh, take the quiz. Oh, BuzzFeed quiz. I'm good. Oh boy. I get it. There's two things that everybody's talking about and loving is

BuzzFeed quizzes and pumpkin spice lattes. Right. And everything's just coming out. I just also too, like Dunkin', their shit's coming out earlier than normal. Because I remember last year in the middle of the pandemic when pumpkin spice everything season came around, I felt like Dunkin', their shit's coming out earlier than normal. Because I remember last year in the middle of the pandemic when Pumpkin Spice everything season came around, I felt like everyone was like, dude, what day is it? Pumpkin who?

And I think maybe this time since we had somewhat of we were outside more, like I'm realizing it's fall again. But I feel like they just keep starting it earlier and earlier and earlier. Like it's, it's like, it's large. It's longer than the actual season of fall or winter combined. Right? Yeah.

They go, they go deep. Uh, the quiz sucks. Uh, so I'll just put it at that. They're like, what,

how much do you love pumpkin spices? Is it like so much? Like you love it a lot? Do you like, do you have wet dreams about pumpkin spice lattes, bro? Come on. Like there's no option that's not, that has, that is like a tasteful non-pumpkin spice horny version. Right. So that's the fun there.

Duncan rolled out their pumpkin-y wares even earlier than Starbucks on August 18th. And one of the kind of wild new products we've got, we'll give you two in reverse order of how ill-conceived they are. So we have Hungry Howie's Pizza releasing pumpkin spice Howie bread, which is just like kind of a sweet, you know, thing. What's Hungry Howie's Pizza releasing pumpkin spice Howie bread, which is just like kind of a sweet, you know, thing. What's Hungry Howie? Hungry Howie's? Yeah. It's just like a pizza place. It's around.

Oh, really? Yeah. Damn, I've never desecrated my insides with a Hungry Howie's pizza before. I mean, either. Yeah. It's not great. Anyone who's been pumpkin spice Howie bread i'm like that was business yeah get over there but it doesn't it doesn't seem that bad because it is a sweet like a sweet bread and they're giving you the photo looks like it comes

with a ranch dip but i guess it's icing, so that's good. Fuck yeah, just do a ranch. Yeah. You know? Yeah, just go full ranch. Yeah. America's two favorite flavors combined. Yeah, where's pumpkin spice ranch?

Thank you. Budweiser announced a new pumpkin spice flavor of Bud Light Seltzer. So, yeah, because, I mean mean their customer base has mostly given up so it makes makes sense what uh that's that's a bridge too far for me i think you don't we don't have to don't fuck with the seltzers making it all flanneled out with your pumpkin spice right the seltzers are supposed to be like light and crisp not like warm and savory right like does anybody want a like warm feeling from their seltzer no certainly not something that like i associate with like dairy yeah exactly yeah as a seltzer you're like i don't know i i envision a lot of creaminess or something like that to that flavor so they they also have a flannel pack that also includes

other like fall inspired flavors for the bud light seltzer including apple maple toasted marshmallow toasted shmello now when they say fall inspired they're talking about this season and not the general just fall of america of mankind yeah yeah i was gonna say like this feels very bread and pumpkin spice right pumpkin spice bread and circuses we're getting this next product is a fall of the human species inspired it is is the winner of the year of worst idea for a pumpkin spice product. A cup of noodles is releasing pumpkin spice ramen noodles. The promo photo has a cup in the hand of a reanimated corpse whose arm is poking through their unmarked grave, poking through a bunch of leaves.

I'm just going to read the description of the product that came from the company. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. Care to cross it with us? Cup noodles. Oh, so it's not cup-o-noodles?

It's just cup noodles? Cup noodles. Jumps on the pumpkin spice crazy Oh, so it's not cup-o-noodles, it's just cup-noodles? Cup-noodles. Cup-noodles. Yeah. Jumps on the pumpkin spice crazy train with a special pumpkin seasoning that's the perfect blend of sweet, savory, and spiced. These saucy noodles are ready with just a splash of water and four minutes in the microwave. For the full pumpkin spice experience experience top it with whipped cream for the quickest tastiest and

most outlandish pumpkin spice in a cup experience you never knew you needed coming to select walmart's in october and then in parentheses to close it out yes really i'm really i have a problem with this image because it's meant to evoke some like night of the living dead shit right but it's like that's what so you want to evoke like corpses coming out of the ground being like we love this product because it's certainly not supposed to be like halloweeny i guess or maybe it is it's it's they're doing a lot they're doing a lot yeah the only explanation i could think of is that like that's the hand of the person who invented ramen and they're like trying to drag

it back to hell with them right right the original like the guy who came up with cup noodles like instant noodle thing he's like this isn't what it was meant for it It's Jonathan Gold, the food critic. Oh, man. Sorry. He's not in hell, though. He's just in here. But yeah, this is a... But you know what's

the funny thing is? I remember when the takeout, they got like a promo box of this shit. They said it was good. What? Cup noodles? Yes.

What? Yes. What? I will take the takeout's enthusiasm for junk food to a point. Right. And this is that point.

Wow. I don't know if they had, if I don't know if they topped their noodles with whipped cream, like, you know, all, you know, all Asian people love to top their noodles with whipped cream.

So yeah, get behind that real easily. Like, oh, my grandmother saw this. She would, you know what? This noodles, you know what this noodle dish needs? Lactose.

Maybe some lactose in here. Yeah. And then Native Deodorant actually scrapped their pumpkin spice products and announced the decision with a giant ad in the new york times a few weeks ago so that's how you know it's fully like run its course is that just canceling a pumpkin spice like a gimmick product gets you it is actually like a marketing campaign so oh but their whole thing is like we don't fuck with it right we're off this shit buy a native deodorant. Clever. Lean the other way. The dad says, you have bad taste. Oh, great. Please say more.

I want to buy your product. Stinking like pumpkin spice latte over our clean bodies. It was your idea in the first place. We didn't make you do it. What are you talking about? Oh, boy. Wow. I'm just trying to read the fine print of it it's like they're really trying to be like we did you a solid dude

yeah i i this is it's just so funny like how like over the years when this time of year comes around how i just get like more and more dejected by it right like it's not like oh shit right because it used to just be this thing where like i remember back at the at the old office dj daniel was like it's pumpkin spice season baby and that was just more like okay right he's fucking with it and then the next year like 2018 it started being like oh my god man we got pumpkin spice everything 2019 was like we're moving it up three weeks and we got pumpkin spice socks and then 2020 like no one gave a fuck but like they're still like trying to ramp the volume up and then this year it's like please pumpkin spice right you're fucked up get in your uber and go home

you don't need you just anything you're making me sad by showing up every year and reminding me of the lack of other progress we have. But that's the, that's how American capitalism works is it like defines a like good feeling and then finds a way to like graft some sort of product onto it and like kind of commoditize it until we feel like it's cheapened. The love of fall now feels cheap right right seizing of time passing and enjoying that right we've turned it into a flavor that you can desecrate your noodles with now you can't look at like pictures of you and your family and like changing leaves without being like that looks like a pumpkin spice latte ad oh my god no save us we will with market economy

with market economics baby just sell us your kid and uh we'll be good christopher such a pleasure having you man uh where can people find you and follow you yeah i'm at it me chr3 on twitter or the ice must be destroyed guy i yeah i work for cools on media now so follow them on twitter yes at cools on media um i'm also yeah i work behind the bastards i work on it could happen here and yeah fine fine shows everybody should be checking out listening to yeah is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying oh man okay so did you see the there's there's this reddit post there were a bunch of bunch of provax people took over the uh the the r slash this is the this is the moment where i'm realizing I've never actually heard the name of the horse drug

said out loud. Ivermectin? Ivermectin, yeah. They took over the r slash ivermectin subreddit and there's one post that was Rage Against the Vaccine. Some of those that work forces want the pastes for horses. Oh, yes.

I didn't see that. What did they do? They took over the subreddit and just like... What did they do they took over the the subreddit and just like what did they do they're just like posting yeah just like shit posted like posted pro vaccine stuff and posted some of those that work forces what the pace does for horses it's good stuff it's that's great yeah and they're also they're uh subs that are basically boycotting Reddit for the day to try and get them to take down all the misleading

bullshit from anti-vaxxers. Apparently, when I reloaded the page for this meme, I think the subreddit has been quarantined. So I guess it may be working. Yeah, Ernie, who knows. Yeah. We had to quarantine the subreddit's been quarantined, so I guess it may be working. Yeah, Ernie, who knows? Yeah.

We had to quarantine the subreddit for 10 days until it got a negative test. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also, the other show, 420 Day Fiance, with Sophie Alexander. If you like 90 day fiance come through we got our takes weekly and a tweet that i like is from at rossi songo it says tyra used to chop girls hair off and we'd be at home like girl stop crying do you want to be on top or not

just a very dark time. Oh, no. Truly. Like, it was just like, yeah, that's the way. Be abused to get to the top. Yeah. Let's see. Swamp Monster tweeted, my uncle lives in Laplace and we hadn't been able to contact him since landfall of Hurricane Ida.

Motherfucker just walked in our front door and said, I'm alive, bitches. And so in response to this news story about upon reviewing her vaccination card, 24-year-old Chloe Mrozak allegedly misspelled Moderna as

M-A-D-E-R-N-A Maderna. Maderna. And Tara Dublin said Maderna is literally what my grandma Dorothy called Madonna in the 80s. Maderna. Maderna.

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where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy on this fine Thursday? Okay, so this is a track called Woof by Still Woozy. It's just interesting, interesting music. I mean, it's like this guy is kind of on his... It's like a genre it's hard to put your finger on, but it's a fun listen.

It's got good singing in it. It's got a little lovely lovely beat to it and yeah just just just try something new on this is called still woozy with the track wolf w-o-o-f lovely all right well real quick y'all uh we are gonna finally do on a streaming corner on tomorrow's episode. Yep. Friday episode where we're going to discuss season one of White Lotus now that everybody has

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