The Daily Zeitgeist - Quincy Jones Dated Ivanka, Facebook Killed Funny or Die 2.7.18

Episode Date: February 7, 2018

In episode 80, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jacquis Neal to discuss professional wrestling, the Olympics, the Quincy Jones interview, how Facebook is ruining online content, Trump's military parade, lady Doritos, & more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, must be Miles Gray. Thank you to Chapman Rice. You have been hitting us with some fire AKs. So fire that they take time to prepare. So we have some more from you. But thank you, Chapman, for that one. It's a fire, fire AK. And thank you for 2-9-point November.

Because regardless of what Miles said, I love that AK. I mean, I love it, too. It brings me back to elementary school when that joke was made nonstop. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of Jack jokes. And we are thrilled to be joined by a Jack of a different sort.

Oh. Mr. Jacky's Neil. Hey-o. Very funny co-host of the Culture Kings. What up? What up, man? How you doing? I'm good, man.

I'm thrilled to have you. I've seen you guys three times this week. Yeah. This is the most I've ever seen. Super Bowl Sunday. It's been a lot. Yeah. We're practically dating.

We're all in love now, guys. Yes. This is a good thruffle we got going. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, I just looked up TJ Henderson. TJ Henderson. TJ Henderson. TJ Henderson was a character on Smart Guy. And somebody posted on my Twitter, which I'm trying to get my Twitter following up, guys.

So follow me. Somebody said that I looked like TJ Henderson from Smart Guy, which is Taj Mahri, Tia and Tamara's brother. And I forgot how he looked. And I looked it up up and i want to say bless you to that person you'll take it because he's an attractive dude and i love it man so that's how i look to you man he used to play uh uh at a rival high school uh when i was playing i wasn't i was i was in the band yeah i wasn't out there playing football because i liked my summer vacation. But whenever we would play them, everyone just goes, smart guy.

And he was like a tailback. He got fucking destroyed one play, I remember. And we were like, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo. And meanwhile, I was holding a trumpet. But yes, that was dumb. So yeah, that's right, Taj Mowry. We got you. Notre Dame Knights up in here.

And you look like me. I look like you. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. So what's upowry. We got you. Notre Dame Knights up in here. And you look like me. I look like you. Yeah, exactly. So what's up now? So what's up now? Jacquees, what's something you think is underrated? Underrated? Wrestling.

Professional wrestling. You think it's underrated? I think it's underrated. Because people always say it's bullshit? Yeah. Okay. It's not bullshit. It's true.

The stories are true. The stories are true. It's soap operas for men. It's scripted, guys. You've heard this. It's not bullshit. It's true. The stories are true. The stories are true. It's soap operas for men. It's scripted, guys. You've heard this. It's not fake. You can't fake a fall. You can't fake that blood.

You can't fake... Well, they do fake the blood. Really? But they fake it by cutting... They blade. Right, but I mean... But that's real blood. Yeah.

Yeah, and sometimes they fall off ladders. You can't fake that shit. Don't tell me that Stone Cold Steve Austin blood face at Royal Rumble was fake. No, that wasn't fake. That was a corn syrup. That was real blood. And you know what else? I'm an actor.

It really bothers me when actors say wrestling is bullshit. Man, tell me you wouldn't want to come out, step through a curtain, and have 15,000 people screaming your name three days a week. Man, that's a dream for every actor, man. That's a dream, especially if you're in theater. Yeah. Because wrestling is theater, stage combat, and improv all in one, and they're strong. Right. That's why The Rock is one of the best.

Exactly. I mean, for the millions. If you smell. And millions. Oh, man. We were talking. I loved i do i still i still i can't i stopped watching when the rock left because he was like uh he was a he was a icon for the people out there yeah and i was like oh shit yeah rocky myer is he blazing me he's simone

and black right yeah yeah yeah yeah all right pi you know we're out here is he blazing yeah let's let's take that from me jack what's the black uh so yeah that's slack he's a slack that sounds we'll just keep it uh on delay on delay mommy pi pi oh um yeah i haven't watched pro wrestling since i was a kid but we had a big wrestling fan at Cracked who wrote about it a lot. And there's some crazy stories about like dudes getting into car accidents and then like having to stay in character because Vince McMahon was like, if I see you getting out of character around like actual news cameras and news cameras, you'll be fired. So they like would stay in character no matter what so ultimate war is like yeah i was drunk driving yeah exactly right uh but they were gone they were like roll they were driving around together

and they were supposed to be enemies and so when they got in the accident yeah they had to act like they were mad at each other. Oh, my God. Cop was like, yo, settle down, man. I gave this relationship a chance. Right. I wrote in to cover you one day. Right. Oh, no. Who's your favorite wrestler, Jekese?

All Time The Rock. Okay. Stone Cold, very close second. Yeah. Currently, I don't know if I have a favorite wrestler. I would say probably Sasha Banks is up there. Female wrestler. She's dope as hell.

And I don't know, man. All the men wrestlers are just boring sometimes and whack. That's why I really like Mick Foley. Mick Foley was dope. Mankind. Yeah. Because also his whole brand was crazy. He's like, I have Socko, and I will just gag you with this sock in your mouth.

Yeah. What is Socko? Socko was his sock that he would put on his hand, and he would hit you with that claw. It was like his finishing move. That's fucking disgusting. Yeah, but Mankind was wild. Dude, he's amazing. And that was his finishing move.

This is something else I love about wrestling, how you can do a suplex a suplex off the top rope and, like, go to pin your opponent and they kick out. But Mankind puts a sock in your mouth. Right. And you're done for the match. Or Rikishi would just make you eat his ass. Yeah. It's great. I'm surprised no one even talked about that.

They'd be like, wow. Some of the moves were not really moves. What do you think the idea that they should be cast like superheroes and that they should just be able to recast Hulk Hogan as a new dude? I don't like that. Like Doctor Who? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Doctor Who.

No, man, because especially now in wrestling today, like you were talking about that story earlier, and a lot of that has gone away. Like wrestling is very much or WWE is very much pulled back the curtain on kayfabe. Right. So a lot of these people now are larger than life. If they were to do something like that, there would be no Rock. Right. Or there would be no John Cena, who's kind of blowing up in the outside world now. And a really nice guy.

Yeah. I did a video of him back in my old job where i didn't realize how much of a prolific make-a-wish guy he is the most most the most prolific make-a-wisher of make-a-wish foundation and he loves it man yeah it's not even like on some pr shit he like lives for it good dude i think i hope i don't know i don't know the whole picture i hope another shit comes out and people are like you know john cena is really problematic you know he's counterbalancing something that he does in the basement at night by himself. Who knows what he's doing.

It's not a zero-sum game, okay? People can be really nice before people come at me on Twitter. Right. All right. What is something that you think is overrated? Sushi. Oh, fuck out of here. Sushi. Sushi. Okay, go on. Sorry, Miles.

Sorry, Miles. Let me tell you what. Look, I have to cape for my country. Let me tell you why. First of all, I will put this out there. I'm not a seafood fan in general. So I will say that. So from an outside perspective looking in,

sushi is the epitome of presentation. It means everything. Because it's just raw fish. You could go in the ocean, pull out a fish, and eat it. And it's the same thing. Like't like you could go in the ocean pull out a fish and eat it and it's the same thing like an apple it's the same thing huh yeah go barehand one of them fucking tunas man take a bite out like smiegel well i mean all right so they open it up and they cut it but then they then you just eat the insides i don't get it

it's presentation i i i understand yeah if you don't like seafood then right then you just eat the insides i don't get it it's presentation i i i understand yeah if you don't like seafood then right you don't get the magic of how good like the high quality fish seems and presentation you know that is it's part of the art form of sushi yeah yeah uh because i also saw somebody on someone went to high school with on instagram they're like oh sushi night and they had like some weird like diy plastic tube to make sushi most offensive thing i've ever seen. And I was like, this is some bullshit. You got mad. Disrespecting the ingredients.

You got mad. Yeah. I need my sushi made by a sushi chef with the right temperature hands, a man. That's the weirdest thing about sushi chefs. They're like no women because their hands are the wrong temperature. See? Sushi is also problematic. Problematic.

Problematic. Exactly. I'm so sorry. Look, I'm getting sick with all this. But yeah, you know, that is a problem with the culture over there in Japan. I can't defend that. Really? But yes, I feel like women, you know, they can make sushi just the same.

Because my mom fucking makes it, and a lot of people's moms, Japanese moms, make that shit. They make sushi? Yeah. And they fucking throw it down. But you were saying that, like, you don't want people doing homemade sushi right i don't care look i'm not here to fucking rain on anybody's parade so you want to make sushi go ahead but don't like flex on instagram when you mutilate the ingredients and act like you're fucking jiro um have you had sugarfish i feel

like sugarfish is sushi for people who don't like sushi yeah no i haven't it's worth had sugarfish? I feel like sugarfish is sushi for people who don't like sushi. Who don't like sushi? Yeah. No. I haven't. I've been to sugarfish, but then I got a burger instead. They don't have burgers, man. Then I brought it in my pocket. It is double cheeseburger from McDonald's.

But I can't fault you. If you're not a fan of fish in general, then yeah. You're not going to like raw fish. I'm not going to ask a vegetarian to eat steak tartare. And be like, how do you mean you don't like this horse meat? Right, exactly. Don't get it. All right. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now.

And the way we like to open that conversation up is by asking our guest what is a myth, what is something that the people uh believe uh that is not actually true all right so i was just watching last night uh a 30 for 30 called jordan rides the bus have you guys seen this wait what's out jordan rides the bus no it's about his it's about him when he went to the minors and he played baseball for the birmingham barons yeah yeah yeah oh i always see that image when i do it and i'm like like, man, I lived that. Obviously, as if I knew what the fuck is in there, but for whatever reason, I never actually watched that one. It's pretty good, actually. And there's this myth that Jordan was just a god-awful baseball player.

Yeah, that's true. And he wasn't. Yeah, he started getting good at it. He started getting good at it. Yeah, he started hitting home runs. He started hitting home runs. He he wasn't. Yeah, he started getting good at it. He started getting good at it. Yeah, he started hitting home runs. He started hitting home runs. He stole 30 bases. Oh, really?

He drove in 50 RBIs. When he went to the Winter League, he raised his batting average of 50 points. And that's just in one season. Right. And then the strike happened, and then he went back to basketball. But if he would have probably had two more years. Yeah, he would have gone. He would have probably made the majors.

He would have been a bad Major League Baseball player. But still, that's fucking incredible that somebody was just like, oh, that's wild. And you know, I never played. I haven't played since Little League. And I'm just playing the minors. He's 31. And like fresh off of it's not like he went to go train. I mean, like he retired from basketball and then the next week went to go baseball.

So this myth that he was just the worst baseball player, made a mockery of the sport, is kind of insane. He wasn't that. This is the best example of the myth being something I thought because I think one of the reasons when I saw it, I was like, man, I already know what they're going to say, how fucking bad he was. Because I think one of the reasons when I saw it, I was like, man, I already know what they're going to say, how fucking bad he was. Right. And then now to know that within that documentary is, oh, he was actually a great piece. Or was improving. I wanted to avoid it because it was such a painful memory for me because I was like such a Jordan Stan at the time. And when he retired, I was like, why would he do this to me?

I was so upset. Same. Can you imagine living in Chicago? Right. Oh, my God, man. What was that Chicago? Right. Oh my god, man. What was that like for you? It was rough, man. I remember, because that was the first memory I have of basketball was the Bulls winning

against the Lakers. That game. Because I was just like, I'm like five or six. I'm like, this is exciting. So that's when I started watching basketball. jordan was my world yeah in everybody's world in chicago especially uh so when he went to go play baseball i didn't quite understand it because i was still kind of young yeah i was like i didn't understand

that to us yeah but i didn't understand that that just wasn't something people did right because also at this time there's deon sanders there's bo jackson so you got these multi right sport athletes i'm like all right but people are calling bo jackson and deon sanders like the greatest athletes or bo jackson the greatest athlete ever because he played two sports so jordan was probably like yeah what's the greatest athlete i can do it yeah i can do that shit i'm more hurt when he went to the Wizards That hurt me more That sucked man It was disgusting Yeah

You know he used to like drink cognac and smoke a cigar before Wizards games Before he played That's amazing He was just like this shit is so easy for me I mean he played like it most of the time Yeah he didn't play that well He didn't play that well I remember getting mad at a kid For buying a Wizards Jordan jersey

I'm like that's not a Jordan jersey Propaganda bullshit Do you believe the conspiracy theory That he got banned by David Stern There's some convincing stuff for it That what? That Jordan was

Gambling so much On the NBA That Was gambling so much on the NBA that uh was gambling so much and had possibly gambled on the NBA and so rather than Pete Rosen him and like you know losing the most marketable thing that had ever happened to the NBA David Stern was like I'm gonna suspend you for a year and a half you're gonna call it a temporary retirement because during his initial press conference when he announced his retirement he at one point uh somebody was like do you think there's a chance you'll ever come back and he said

i don't know maybe if david stern lets me which is like such a weird statement like maybe he just like misspoke or something nah i mean the devil's advocate side would be like you know david stern being mad that his cash cow is leaving the league and he'd be so pissed that that's happening. But yeah, I guess if you look at it like that. And if you know it's going to be like two seasons and then it's over. But also it's not even that. I mean, yes, a hit for the NBA, but so many people tuned in to be like, oh, what the Bulls going to be like without Jordan. Right.

And he went to go play for his owner of the bulls baseball team right right uh so like it's not like he just went to baseball like he did a lateral move too i have spent so much time googling uh like doing you know internet research on the murder of jordan's father because like i because that happened at the same time and i was like if that was connected to his gambling, and Stern knew that, and there was some cover-up, but it doesn't seem like there was any relation there. So case closed? Case closed, yeah. The internet says case closed, and the internet is never wrong.

All right, let's get into what's going on in the world at large today. So we've got the Winter Olympics coming up. Jackis is a huge stan. He's wearing his curling t-shirt right now. No, so we're just going to do a quick kind of preview of, you know, the very, very basics of the Winter Games this time around. So the Olympics, what are they? So back in Greece,ce and uh yeah actually

i'm danny zucco uh so i mean the thing people are talking about north korea is coming uh they're participating this has opened up talks between north and south korea the u.s is being left out in the cold a little bit they're like but but we said not to be friends with that one. They're like the mean girl who's like, what are you doing? But we need this conflict to distract people from Trump's fuckery. So one thing that always kind of fucks with the Olympics is the time difference, right? If it's – So they are 14 hours ahead of Eastern time. Too much. Of East? So what, 17 hours ahead for us here in the – or's. Yeah. You know, so they are 14 hours ahead of Eastern time.

Too much of East. So what? 17 hours ahead for us here in the or no. Yeah. 11 hours ahead, I think. No, 17 hours ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a different day. For instance, the men's hockey final on February 25th will finish at 4 p.m. That will be 2 a.m. in New York. Actually, not bad here. It'll finish at 11 p.m. in California. Does that mean everything's going to be on a delay? Yeah. So that's the thing.

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I just had an experience with this on New Year's when I just wanted to watch the live feed of the ball drop in New York because I wanted to go to bed at 9. And I couldn't find it. Everything was on a delay. of the ball drop in New York because I wanted to like go to bed at nine. And, uh, they, like, I couldn't find it. Everything was on a delay.

And I think that that's kind of how they tend to do the Olympics is they don't give you a live feed. They just have a whole block of programming saved up of like the highlights. But if you were at all, like, you know, on social media, that totally fucks everything up.

That's why I think when it was in Rio, the way I did it is I watched through the NBC Sports app because they had live streaming feeds. That was only like a few hours off, right? No, it was a little bit more. Oh, was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've done it in the past because I like – I just love the Olympics personally because for me, there's nothing higher for some of these athletes. This is the be-all, end-all.

Their life is defined by going to the Olympics and trying to win gold, which is why I like the Olympics generally. But yeah, the live feed is great because it's just nice to not get the sanitized, edited down version that they'll run during prime time. Right, with bob costas's like monologues written out and like i am like yeah or like wearing sunglasses because he had that weird eye infection that was so weird and i was like what is he doing somebody came in me uh during the rio olympics i was at a bar and i was watching uh bolt like run his race and it was

nighttime here and it was daytime there and i was like oh is this live is this about to happen with the friend and some dude sitting at the bar turned around and was like it's daytime does it look like it's live i was like do you not know how the time zone motherfucking yeah it could be i'm so mad go hop is that your uh truck with all the flat earth stickers on it get the fuck out of here. Do you not know how the Earth rotates, motherfucker? I have seen a truck with all sorts of Flat Earth stickers multiple times in my neighborhood. It's crazy.

I live near Flat Earth. There's a video where I saw it on Reddit or something. Flat Earth just gets destroyed by facts, like on a Skype call. They're doing it. They're like, well, let's just tape this, and i will dismantle your brain right right um so just some stories that uh you you might hear about we have the first african-american speed skater yeah and these olympics that'll be interesting i may we're taking over everything baby from ghana so black stars and the black stars is what they call the canadian national team. That's what I'm referencing.

So Time Magazine actually had an interesting feature that is surprising, I know, where they did a map of the most watched winter sports in every country. So they did like a map of the globe and showed like a color-coded map. And speed skating is actually the biggest sport in china and all of mongolia it's like huge there so that's interesting um hockey in the u.s and basically all of russia uh curling in most of north africa and uh the middle east which that's interesting curling is a lot of it too looks like curling is like soothing to watch. There's something about curling.

It's like baseball. Yeah. It's a little like baseball, but like the, the way they glide on the ice is just interesting. It's like watching humans as bowling balls almost, but like slow motion. Yeah. It's like bowling with like a janitorial crew in front of it. It's actually, it's, it's a lot of fun to watch. I highly recommend people give curling

a shot. It's surprising that ice skating isn't the number one anywhere. Do you think it was in the 90s? Figure skating is number one in Japan. And Korea too, I feel like. I think in North

Korea it's number one, but in South Korea it's also speed skating. Oh, yeah. They have some beast speed skaters in South Korea, too. Right. Yeah. But, yeah, I think figure skating is probably second in all the countries. What's the most popular one in Jamaica, man? Jamaica.

Is it going to be bobsled? It looks like it's luge. Oh. Oh, close enough. Yeah. I'm surprised how much they love bobsledding in Brazil and Mexico, it looks like. Is luge not the same as bobsledding? No, because luge is like when you're on that suicide sled on your back.

Oh, right. Skeleton or whatever. Is that not cool runnings? No. No, cool runnings is where everybody get the four men hop in. Oh, that's toboggan. Bob's sleigh. Okay.

Yes. Bob's sleigh. Bob's sleigh. So, something to look forward to. If you're an athlete at the games, uh, you're going to be fucking 1.7 times a day. Apparently,

if you're staying in the Olympic village, uh, that's something you hear every year, but apparently it is not a myth. Uh, that shit just, it goes down. If you're really,

yeah, everybody ever like athletes just all fuck each other. It doesn't matter if you're like married or whatever.'s just whoa it goes down at the olympic village because they're all just like peak the peak of their and especially if your events are done like on day three right what else you gonna do like think about that yeah and think about the the tension that they have to release you know they've got like their whole life has been building up to this. Can you imagine being, like, the wife or the husband of somebody going to the Olympics and being like,

oh, baby, I want to go to the Olympics. Oh, no. I know you can't stay with me in the village, man. Coach says I'll get distracted. Right, right, right. Yeah, just like some schlubby dude. He's like, honey, so you're staying with the whole curling team?

Well, we're just in the same building. Don't worry, Robert. I told you, don't worry. I love you. But don't call me. Why do you have a suitcase just with condoms? I'm looking out for my team. They're two openly gay athletes, which surprisingly are the first openly gay athletes uh that america sent to an

olympics is this year or or maybe it's the first openly gay figure skaters but uh yeah um there's one figure skater one speed skater um and apparently the white house called them up and the white house press office wanted to talk to them and sort of advise them about not being so out and proud. Yeah, because they were like – It's Adam Rippon or Rippon. Pardon my pronunciation of that. But yeah, I think because they were asking him about Mike Pence leading the delegation, like going into the opening ceremony. And his response was, you mean Mike Pence, the same Mike Pence that funded gay conversion therapy?

I'm not buying it. Right. And his response was, you mean Mike Pence, the same Mike Pence that funded gay conversion therapy? I'm not buying it. And, you know, because clearly this guy has openly been a aggressive opponent of LGBT rights and just looks at gay people in a very fucked up way. And so, yeah, he's like he's not trying to fuck with that. But nice try, though, to try and maybe get him to say something nice. Right. But not going to happen. Trying to maybe get them to say something nice. Right.

But not going to happen. And finally, Chloe Kim, who is like apparently already the goat in snowboarding. She's 17. She is a Korean-American young woman who is apparently going to be – people are banging on her being sort of the star of the Olympics. So shout out to the Korean-American community out there. Her trick's like a 1080. Yeah. It's insane. Like the N64 game. Right. 1080 snowboarding. That's insane. Come to life. That's how many, that's three, that's three rotations.

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or wherever you stream podcasts. And we're back. So we're running long, but we have to get into this Quincy Jones interview. He went, as the headline on our doc here says, he went in. He goes in on many topics. so miles you're gonna just take us i'm just gonna read it because i haven't read it so yeah he's he's got a he's about turn 85 there's a netflix documentary blah blah blah doesn't matter there's a netflix documentary coming uh yes and he's in this article says he's in the midst of victory lap ahead of his turning

85 in march a netflix documentary and a cbs a CBS special hosted by Oprah that are all on the horizon. And we all know Quincy Jones is a prolific music producer. He's worked with the best. And he has a right to have an opinion on many things because he has seen it all. He even played jazz with a fucking Benito Mussolini's son. Okay, so that's even in this article. But let me just go through some of the hotter takes in here. So they go through the usual stuff.

They get to Michael Jackson. And so this is him on Michael Jackson. He produced Thriller, right? Yes, a little album. Yes. Some people may have heard of it. I think I have. Yeah. So he says about Michael Jackson, I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff.

He stole a lot of songs like Donna Summer Summer's State of Independence and Billie Jean. The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come. And he says they go on. He sort of explains a little more about how he's like always kind of taking sections of song and making his own, which is fine because that's what all musicians. Right. Everything is a remix of a remix. Yeah.

They yeah, it sounds like it's the same notes, like you said, but it's right. Definitely sped up. And I still think Michael Jackson is a genius for remembering that bass line and being like, oh, I'll take that, slow it down, put it here, and make the greatest pop song of all time. And then he said, what about the interviewer asked, what about outside of music? What's misunderstood about Michael? I used to kill him about the plastic surgery, man. He'd always justify it and say it was because of some disease he had. That was bullshit. And then they're like, well, how much were his problems wrapped up with fame you mean the way he looked he had a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abuse him

what do you expect and there's like yeah you know it's a strange juxtaposition how michael's music was joyous but his life seems sadder and more odd as time goes by and quincey says yes but at the end michael's problem was propofol and that problem affects everyone doesn't matter if you're famous big pharma making oxycontin and all that shit is a serious thing i was around the white house for eight years with the clintons and i learned about how much influence big pharma has it's no joke what's your sign man then the interview is like uh pisces me too it It's a great sign. The interview goes on. You just mentioned the Clintons who are your friends, friends of yours.

Why is there still such visceral dislike of them? What are other people not seeing in Hillary, for example, that you see? And he goes, it's because there's a side of her. When you keep secrets, they backfire. Interview goes on. Like what secrets? Man, this is something else I shouldn't be talking about. Interview goes on. Well well you seem to know

a lot i know too much man well what's something you wish you didn't know who killed kennedy and then it goes on who did it man chicago mobster sam john connor man the connection was there between sinatra and the mafia and kennedy jo Kennedy, man, he was a bad man. He came to Frank to have him talk to John Connor about getting votes in Illinois. And they're like, yes, we've heard this theory before that the mob helped win Illinois for Kennedy in 1960. And he goes on, man, we shouldn't be talking about this publicly. Where are you from? And he's like, Toronto?

That's how the sort of interview is going. Like, he's got a lot of interesting things. Then just like drop an earth shattering revelation. What's your sign, man? What's your sign? Where are you from? What's that? So then they go on a little bit later.

Then they kind of get to more current events, like sort of the Me Too movement. And he says, well, we've obviously been learning more lately how just how corrosive the entertainment industry can be for women as someone who's worked in the business at the highest levels for so many years uh do all the recent revelations come as a surprise no man women had to put up with that fucked up shit women and brothers we're both dealing with the glass ceiling uh but what about the alleged behavior of a friend of yours like bill cosby is it hard to square what he's been accused of with the person you know it was all of them brett ratner weinstein weinstein man he's a jive motherfucker wouldn't return my five calls a bully return my five i don't know and he's a bully he called him a jive motherfucker like this is dolomite or something right uh what about cosby though what

about it were the allegations a surprise to you man we can't talk about this in public man i'm surprised he didn't pivot that was a perfect moment to be like hey man who does your hair that's not what happens so then they go into then they start talking about racism like uh in you know the this modern age and like white nationalism that's popping up and the interviewer asked what stirred everything up uh is it all about trumpism uh and quincy replies it's trump and uneducated rednecks man trump is just telling them what they want to hear i used to hang out with him he's a crazy motherfucker limited mentally a megalomaniac narcissistic i can't stand him i used to date ivanka you know what he said yes to date ivanka so obviously the

interview goes wait his daughter yes his daughter says. His daughter says, wait, really? Yes, sir. 12 years ago, Tommy Hilfiger, who was working with my daughter, Kidada, said, quote, Ivanka wants to have dinner with you. I said, no problem. She's a fine motherfucker. She had the most beautiful legs I ever saw in my life. Wrong father, though. Quincy is a fucking fool man what

what do you think that date was like oh my god I just have to take a second that one I still have to process just how he can't be like you know I should date Ivanka 12 years ago and you're about to turn 85 so she's like 22 at the time

she's like in her early 20s at that time well no she's I think like 37 or something like right so 12 years ago she would have been 25 12 years ago for an 85 year old would have been 73 oh my god 24 yeah she would have been 24 24 and he's 73 at the time yeah they dated right oh my god I don't know look I don't know what happened with that but that's just so weird that she was even like – We need more old people to do interviews. Ivanka wants to have dinner with you. Also entirely possible that she was just like – had a business proposal for him maybe. Yeah, probably.

And he was like, oh, she's trying to get with me. She's trying to get. She's trying to get it. We know Quincy definitely has – he's like kind of a prolific father. You know what I mean? Yeah, because he's Rashida Jones' dad too, right? And I think he has children with like four other women. Yeah.

So, you know, he gets out there. Yeah. So anyway, they move on to the Beatles. Oh, shit. Ready for the fuego take. So he says, he talks about Paul. He said, how was it like when you first heard rock? And he said something like, man, it just sounds like white boys trying to do rhythm and blues.

He's like, you know, I knew Paul McCartney when he was 21. And then the guy says, what were your first impressions of the Beatles? That they were the worst musicians in the world? They were no playing motherfuckers. Paul was the worst bass player I ever heard. And Ringo, don't even talk about it. I remember once we were in the studio with George Martin, and Ringo had taken three hours for a four-bar thing he was trying to fix on a song.

He couldn't get it. We said, mate, why don't you get some lager and lime some shepherd's pie and take an hour and a half and relax a little bit so he did and we called ronnie varell a jazz drummer ronnie came in for 15 minutes and tore it up ringo comes back and says george can you play it back for me uh one more time so george did eringo says that didn't sound so bad and i said yeah motherfucker because it ain't you great guy though yo

the pivots in this are like elijah wan-esque yeah his footwork on these pivots are so good they're unbloated the way he can just sort of diffuse something so crazy great guy though great guy though uh quinn jones just became my favorite person man then there's one where he talks about marlon brando this is just a funny thing uh where he says you know marlon brando and i we used to go cha-cha dancing and he could dance his ass off he was the most charming motherfucker you ever met he'd fuck anything anything he'd fuck a mailbox james baldwin richard pryor marvin. He slept with them? How do you know that?

Come on, man. He did not give a fuck. You like Brazilian music? He said he fucked Marvin Gaye. I don't know. I don't know if he was saying... James Baldwin, Marvin Gaye. I don't know if he was saying that James Baldwin fucked. Are James Baldwin and Richard Pryor Marvin Gaye were all in that camp?

Like would fuck anything. Like that they would fuck anything? It's hard to know when you're not hearing it, but it's just so funny that he's like, wait. The guy even has to be like, he slept with them? And he's like, come on, man. You didn't give a fuck. You like Brazilian music? Those pivots are just, yeah, they're next level.

So, I mean, that's just a portion of it. He talks about playing with, like I said, Mussolini's son. The one good thing, which I can't fully read the quote back, but he talks about creatively what was sort of his X factor. And he's like, you know, do you hear any innovation in music? He's like, nah, man, because a lot of these people are chasing like Ciroc vodka and Fat Farm. Okay, clearly taking shots of P. Diddy.

Right. Also about 10 years late. Yeah. Fat Farm. Okay, clearly taking shots of P. Diddy. Right. Also about 10 years late. Yeah. Fat Farm. Fat Farm went out. Fat Farm is sponsoring everything. He's like, I love baby fat and apple bottom jeans though. But he was saying like, you know, the second you chase money, God leaves the room and you're

not going to make that fire music, which is, I mean, which I think is a really good piece of advice for anyone who's a creative. He never thought about money when he was making. Yeah, the second you consider an outside audience and you are just not making art that's true to you, yeah, you've lost. Exactly. Which is, to me, the most useful thing that I saw. He also talks about the person's like, would you ever date someone your age? And he was like, pa!

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I read something maybe a few days ago so this is before this interview or maybe it was something from this interview that he has 22 girlfriends and they all know about each other right is that right is that true yeah that that's something that happened maybe that was like a playboy interview he's getting interviewed a lot but uh yeah there was he he talked about how he had 22 girlfriends all over the world like one

in each country that he visits there isn't he kind of make references that because the guy just says uh the interview asked okay let me ask you a left field question in your memoir there's a section where you talk about being a dog and he says that's not what i was thinking of but yeah that's in there i was thinking just goes on to this other thing like here i think thought he was alluding to that right yeah you want to hear about the fucking right you want to hear about the people i fucked no no i read your playboy interview we we got that but yeah and he talks about how like he's he's never dated a woman i think they ask like what his expiration date is and he says like 30s or 40 or something this man is stuck in a time warp i know yes cindy lopper almost

ruined we are the world with her loud ass jewelry and had a blowout with her just to show you hit this man's ego though one of the questions was what's something you've worked on that should have been bigger and he answers what the fuck are you talking about i never had that problem they were all big so he's like lavar ball mixed with trump i mean this dude he's i mean but he earned it so yeah lavar ball and trump were super talented yeah i mean he doesn't earn to be problematic but he definitely earns the right to talk shit because you know nobody's on fucking quincy's level i guess like he waited for a long time to be this unfiltered so right i've had it man yeah i mean look when you're when you're an octogenarian you know as we've seen it you know you begin to let loose a little bit

stop giving any fucks yeah at all yeah so guys yes please check out that it's it's a wonderful read and the interview is from what magazine uh it was in Vulture. Vulture. Shout out to Vulture. Goddamn. Great interview. So we just wanted to talk about, speaking of online outlets, content providers, there was a story yesterday on Splitsider, our good friends at Splitsider, about how Funny or die recently fired basically their entire editorial staff uh and that's something that happened at cracked not too long ago uh they fired about i think 25 people a lot of the most talented creative people i've ever worked with um no thanks and yeah definitely uh the most talented people uh the only talented people

no crime house no i mean i know i i aspire to be at the level of some of the writers over there here's a kleenex box that is now my shoe you're all my favorites uh yeah so they interviewed this dude who's still employed at funny or die because Funny or Die is pivoting just to like TV and movies and like long form stuff. kind of just speak specifically about Facebook, it really resonated with sort of what I experienced in my last handful of years at Cracked. You know, I ran Cracked through a bunch of different sort of models of traffic acquisition. Like we blew up a lot, like when Dig was a thing, you guys probably don't even remember Dig, but Dig used to be like Reddit. It was like the front page of the internet type thing where people would just go there and see what was popping on the internet. And we were always on the front page. And that's where we got a bunch of new users who then started visiting us regularly.

But then Facebook blew us up even more than we were blown up before. It made us extremely big. At a certain point, there was an interview with a Facebook engineer who said that they send more traffic to Cracked than to any other outlet anywhere. So we were doing really well at that point. So we were doing really well at that point. But then over the last five years as Facebook sort of slowly started to, you know. Be the destination of the internet. Well, and, you know, create a business model where they were the only advertiser. Right.

And they wanted all the advertising revenue. And so they weren't interested in promoting anything that would take people off of Facebook, which is what all Internet content would do. And so they started, you know, at first it was their algorithm started promoting just videos because videos kept you on Facebook. And then they started promoting this thing called instant articles, which just was articles that you published on Facebook. And then they started promoting this thing called instant articles, which just was articles that you published on Facebook. And the idea was that they were going to share revenue with publishers, but then they never really got around to doing that or creating a model for sharing revenue. So they just basically have, suffocated all content creators. And this is happening to basically every newspaper that isn't the New York Times or, you know,

one of the major newspapers that's big enough to kind of weather this thing. So it's a thing that's sort of happening behind the scenes of, you know, the zeitgeist. But it really is having an effect. Local news is incredibly important, and local newspapers and even newspapers of big cities are dying because of this exact thing. And Facebook buries stuff. Yeah, Facebook buries stuff, and they promote stuff that is low-quality clickbait shit like BuzzFeed. It's just shitty because, yeah, the Funny or Die model, when I was lobbying and I always had my eyes on doing comedy and making my own funny videos and stuff,

Funny or Die was a thing I looked at as like, oh, look, you can make your own shit, get some attention on it, and begin to make some kind of a career for yourself and possibly sustain your life off of being creative. And, you know, like to now see it completely changed now where you get squeezed out because they want to keep you on Facebook. It's really disheartening because that's sort of what a lot of, especially the people who come on this show, like as guests, we all are striving to be able to live off of offering our talents, our abilities and our creativity. And I mean I saw this even when I worked at Condé Nast.

Everything was about Facebook or thinking about – like we were – like creativity was becoming like we were having to self-edit in the name of what was going to work for Facebook. Right. Facebook is your editor. It is every content creator's editor and boss. And you have to – and it's the worst kind of boss because they will never tell you what they value. Right. Their algorithm is completely opaque and they change it constantly. So like all of a sudden your content will stop performing on Facebook and stop getting visitors and you will have no reason why, which is, you know, that's the worst type of boss to have a boss who like, you know, is just changes with, you know, has different whims that change and you don't know.

There's no logic to it. And then they're also – I mean this guy makes a really good point that they're essentially running a payola scam where you have to basically pay to have your content placed within their algorithm. And their algorithm just is completely impossible to deal with. So you have to pay them to let them – It's confusing too. You have to pay your people who have subscribed to get your content to actually see your content. So it's a really shitty situation. It sounds like Funny or Die is actually being really cool about it. And, you know, obviously they just laid a bunch of people off and that's shitty.

But this guy talks about how management and the companies get a lot of the blame but in this case it sounds like funny or dies being cool uh the people who made that decision at cracked were absolutely not and uh the the company that made that decision and the management that made that decision at cracked are awful uh but yeah uh i won't get into too much detail there but well jack let me speak on your behalf scripts what you wrote down and i will say it for you uh drop these quincy jones fuck ew scripts they don't know what they're fucking doing you but it is it is a like when you have like facebook just like at a whim changing like their entire logic for how your content performs and you have a terrible, terrible parent company who like they are going to blame you. They're going to be like your content isn't good and like why don't you try harder?

Why don't you do a better job? Why can't you do more with less money? Right, exactly. Why don't you do a better job? Why can't you do more with less money? Right, exactly. Yeah, that's funny too because all the heads of these huge media companies, as I've worked for one of the most gigantor ones, they don't give a fuck about the content. They just care about impressions and how they can sell ads. And that completely stifles the creativity and they don't realize that shit was performing because of the creativity.

And when you sacrifice that for like, well, what's going to do well? You're completely fucking up the recipe. And then they wonder what happens when you abandon the thing that made you successful in the first place. Yeah. I mean, like, so doing comedy, like promotion is a big part of that.

Especially now because everybody's on their phone or on social media. So that's the only way you really can promote. You can promote other ways. But now they have it where if you promote like an event that you're doing, they bury it. So you have to do a picture and put the event in the comments. And you've got to figure out all this stupid shit just to get your friends to come to your stuff. It's insane.

Why are people still using Facebook? I don't know, man. Mark Zuckerberg is – he must be like an overlord over our minds when he is I think for some people does like a lot of smart people with strong personalities I think that he can convince himself he's right in any situation just by like create you know constructing an argument that is convenient for whatever his thing is and And then he probably surrounds himself with yes men, which is something I also saw at the parent company. I cracked Jesse Eisenberg to play you.

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and we're back uh so yeah like i said we're running a little long but we we do have one more story that we have to hit um we got to. Because Donald Trump is creating a new tradition here in America, a giant annual, will it be, military parade? I guess. I mean, I know right now, I think they're going to start with one. I know, but he wants a big display of our mighty military penis for all the world to see. Where they bring, like, giant phallic-shaped missiles down the middle of the street. Just dicks of death coming down the street. They actually did this once after the first Iraq war where America went in and, like, lost 40 people total and, you total and won in a couple weeks.

That war, by the way, was a lot because the media was calling George H.W. Bush a wimp. That's like an underrated aspect of history is the media was like, he seems like a wimp. The way he talks and trolled him into starting a war, essentially. And then, yeah, he had one of these. Also, hashtag oil boys. So it was the last time that we had a president this insecure. Essentially, they tried this and it was successful. There were, I remember when I was growing up, they had like fruit snacks that were different fighter planes.

Oh, yeah. I had Ninja Turtle action figures that were like Desert Storm Ninja Turtles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, aren't there already military parades called Memorial Day parades and veteran parades? Well, I think what he wants is an aggressive, overt display of our military technology, which I think happens with all the fucking movies we make about the Army. Yeah, right. Yeah. I've seen Independence Day a lot.

I know what we got. Independence Day actually didn't have full military support because that's right they didn't want will smith to date a scripper scripper yeah and they wanted uh randy quaid yeah who kamikazes himself into the aliens to save the world they wanted him not to be drunk amer. They wanted him to be just like a heroic military pilot. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, for people who don't listen to every episode, the – Shame on you. Yeah, first of all, work on yourself.

But second of all, the Pentagon spends a lot of money on Hollywood movies and getting military hardware in Hollywood movies. But Miles, so you wanted to see what actual military people thought about this. Yeah, because I was seeing people talk about stuff like on Reddit. Like there's subreddits like for the army. There's like our army or our military. And you can hear typically unless people are lying, like these are people who are in the armed forces or the military that are like just talking about whatever affects the community.

And so with this, like a lot of the comments were like, this is dumb. We do flyovers at halftime shows. We have movies and TV where we regularly display crazy military technology. A lot of people think it makes us look weak because this is typically the hallmark of countries that don't have America's military might to be like, hey, look what we got over here. There's a reason France has to do this. It's a smaller country. Yeah.

We have guns too. Right. They, they didn't do so well in world war two. No, we did. All right. And I think the other thing is too,

like the time involved. So one of the takes that you read with it was in the army subreddit. One of the guys saying, imagine the amount of time spent cleaning, painting, transporting, and maintaining all the equipment for the parade, the hours and hours of pass and review practice the time spent polishing and

shining all the bits the inspections the re-inspections everyone putting equipment on trains to get to dc he's like then you unload clean the equipment again repolish everything get inspected practice even more finally it's time for the parade it's hot everything's a total clusterfuck at the initial point of the parade route you march you get to the rally point now you have to move all this shit back to base back to the railhead back on the buses like all you know and they're saying and this will all happen on a holiday weekend we normally have off and one day after the parade uh the news cycle will move on and no one will remember it so a lot of people just feel like it's unnecessary like if you really want to honor us like give us some time off you know or give us a coherent strategy in

afghanistan give us a coherent military strategy elsewhere maybe you don't fuck up the state department yeah and when you talk to military people like one of the things they say is like an insane astounding amount of time is spent cleaning shit right yeah so like having to do this all for a parade so that sounds like it would be and also like i don't think another guy was mentioning like he's like i don't think the dc streets can handle a bunch of m1 tanks just rolling through like that either. Yeah. You're going to have to work on that infrastructure, man.

Yeah. Well, that's why the D.C. City Council was like, no. They're like, we do not want anything to do with it. But they haven't even put a budget together. But I know John Kelly, that old fucking guy, he's working with the Pentagon to try and see how this thing all work out. Right. I think Americans already know how strong the military is. I think they know. We have a little section down here titled Lindsey Graham on parade, which I thought was like a weird al spoof of that Rage Against the Machine song.

That's what I thought was a drug, too. Graham on parade. Graham on parade. But he said it's kind of cheesy and a sign of weakness. Yeah. That's what he said to reporters. I love how Lindsey Graham just gets to talk out of both sides of his mouth. I know.

And then meanwhile be like, we need to investigate Christopher Steele. Right. It's like, shut the fuck up, bro. Pick a side. All right. Oh, Doritos walked back there, lady. Doritos thing. Apparently they were like, ha ha, that was just a joke.

We didn't really mean that uh that shitty idea but then uh you know uh our writer sam raubman pulled the quote from the uh initial interview and there's absolutely no way to interpret it as anything other than she said that they're going to design and package snacks differently for women uh and specifically they tried to out with that statement, they really tried to pivot. They're like, oh, the reporting was inaccurate, and we already have Doritos for women. They're called Doritos. Dope. Okay.

All right, well, Pepsi. All right. Jackies. What's up? It has been a pleasure having you, as always. Two-time guest of the world. Yes, sir. Where can people find you?

Oh, you know what? You can find me on this network, Culture Kings Podcast. Every week, we drop. You can also find me at Jackie's Neal on Twitter, Instagram, on everything at Jackie's Neal. Culture Kings is so good. Ain't it? It's so good. Everyone needs to learn themselves.

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Baseline The baseline is similar. It is very similar. It's just faster. Yeah. I still don't think it takes anything away. I guess a court disagreed with me because they did find in her favor. Just in general, though, it's a dope song.

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