The Daily Zeitgeist - Racist Receipts From ‘War On Terror,’ 9/11 Merchandising Bonanza! 9.10.21

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

In episode 986, Jack and Miles are joined by Salted Logic's Hina Wilkerson to discuss Terry Albury's experience in the FBI after 9/11, Trump continuing to make stuff up, America's merchandising obsession, and more!FOOTNOTES: ‘I Helped Destroy People’ Trump Appears to Be Making Stuff Up About 9/11. Again. DONALD TRUMP I'M GETTING 'OBSCENE' AMOUNT OF MONEY ... For Calling Holyfield/Belfort Fight The bid bombers of eBay 'Ghoulish Souvenirs' From 9-11 Attack Spitzer halts saleof 9/11 coins he calls fraud Return of the Fake WTC Coin 9/11 Commemorative Coin Formerly "New Low," Now $56.95 The 'disgusting' 9/11 memorial coloring book FEMA's 9/11 Coloring Book Aims to Teach Kids About Tragedy 9/11: 11 Tasteless Sales, Costumes and Events Inspired by the Terror Attacks The tacky practice of using 9/11 to market consumer goods backfires yet again Families infuriated by ‘crass commercialism’ of 9/11 Museum gift shop 9/11 Families Blast ‘Greedy,’ ‘Disrespectful’ Decision To Store Unidentified Remains Underground In Museum Families infuriated by ‘crass commercialism’ of 9/11 Museum gift shop New York's 9/11 Museum pulls controversial item from gift shop This 9/11 Cheese Plate May Be The 9/11 Museum's Most Tasteless Souvenir 20 YEARS LATER LISTEN: BADBADNOTGOOD - Beside April Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 201, Episode 4 of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness, and it's Friday, September 10th, 2021, a day before the 20th anniversary of September 11th. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka,k.a. from the back to the middle and around again. I'm gonna be there till the trend 100% do

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Wow, that's a catalog. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Oh, well, you know how I do on a Friday night. I'm just probably driving and I'm smoking. Means I'm faded. Got these cravings. But it's late and nothing's open.

Need that pork meal. So I'm going. Said who getting Taco Bell tonight? Who getting Taco Bell tonight? Who'll get Taco Bell tonight? Ain't as much as a whale tonight. Woo! Giving my toilet hell tonight. Okay, it's Con Gray West, a.k.a. Miles Gray.

Thank you so much to Christy Yamaguchi-May for that part. I had to kind of give that first verse just to kind of set up the scene but thank you at waffle house for that inspired aka yeah we got to bring that in we got to bring in the uh background that was that was beautiful well done who is getting taco bell can we that would have and and what one of the few times where the aka is a drastic improvement on the the lyrical content of the actual song. Yeah, I feel like I could sing that with a lot more passion than, I guess, One Little Children's Night. Yeah. One Little Children's Night.

Oh. Ooh. Yeah. Because, like, his version is, I think it's, like, about how Marilyn Manson should be canceled. Maybe. Like, his Marilyn Manson should be canceled. Maybe. Like is Marilyn Manson like cameos on the. Jack, come on. Who's getting Taco Bell tonight?

Thank you. You know. Thank you. That's the important. Ask the questions that are on the zeitgeist's mind. Yes, exactly. Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant storyteller who is the lead creative strategist for Salted Logic. She's worked in everything from fine art to technology to academia to conservation, has worked with everyone from small business owners in Hawaii to a global PR firm in New York City.

in Hawaii to a global PR firm in New York City. She is the co-host of the podcast, The Upvote, and created the three-part audio experience they called BeHoppa. Please welcome the talented, the brilliant, Hina Wilkerson! Hey, hey, hey. Hello. I didn't know that you were supposed to bring our favorite Drake bars from his latest album. If I knew that, I would have been unprepared. But I have no song, but it's wonderful to be here with you guys.

It's wonderful to have you. Have you gotten through either of those long-winded albums? No. And I don't plan to. Here's the thing. I think like anybody that's maybe under the age of 30, at one point in my life, I did like Drake. He's the backdrop to my middle school angst. He gave me a channel to express all the pain I was

going through at a certain age, even though my life was so simple. But that guy in third grade, he broke my heart and Drake just gave me the anthem for it. And so, you know, in a way he, he gives me something, but at this point it's like all the pedophilia. I just, you know, hot take. Don't. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot of, uh, not much of a hot take when there's a lot of receipts

or like you're talking to how are they like, yeah, but like, just to let them know, like how this business is yeah well also any any woman that has been 17 has had an older guy in their life that's like you know what you're so mature like there's just something about you and i don't know you're just not like the other girls and you're like oh my god wait me i've always thought i was mature that's absolutely correct yes well you can date me in secret yeah and then you turn 25 and you're like oh my god oh my god what a fucking creep yeah exactly is this still the millie bobby brown shit or are there more receipts more shit coming out i actually i'm not um i think i think there's people that like he's dated that are now like 19 and 20 but he's been in photos with since they were like 16 so there's questions

of like kind of a grooming and then he comes out when they're legal and he's like oh no it was chill before now like we weren't doing anything weird it mentorship. And then all of a sudden we fell in love. So pick your poison with those two albums. Little Sims. Check out Little Sims. Little Sims album is great. Yeah, there you go. I heard Abba's dropping something new though.

Maybe listen to that. Yeah, I can't wait for that. I mean, I can, but. Yeah, I don't think they've dated any kids so they're they're safe right uh where are you coming to us from i am coming to you from nashville i just moved here a couple of months ago from new york city okay and it's been good so far the south is the south has been good to me so it's been nice okay wow a lot of people making that. You know, we've had other guests not resist the allure of Tennessee. Yeah.

I mean, it's kind of like the less weird version of Portland. Just as white, but a little less weird. That's interesting. I'm going to look at it through that lens. What made you move? Was there like a general like New Yorkork is over vibe i don't think it's new york it's over it's just that like every apartment in new york is the size of a shoebox unless you're a multi-millionaire so something about being in like a heightened version of

quarantine where we were all just kind of like test lab rats in this box and you order your groceries so you truly never leave your house and then once it got winter you extra don't leave your house yeah so it was just kind of like staring out of the window like dogs waiting for their owners to come back but no one ever came for us and so the anxiety was just too much and the cost was way too much and like who knows if something is going to happen again and we're going to be quarantined i'd rather be in a house right yeah so it was it was just such a bummer and i moved there to get my master's and so the whole time i was in school and i was working full time. So I never got to. Like I never fell in love.

With the city. I think if I got. The chance. To just like have one job. And be able to like. Go out on the weekends. I would have a totally different picture. But New York was just like.

A place that I lived. Yeah. Yeah. Well you worked your ass off. Yeah. I think that's for a lot of people too. Like. The hustle. It is. Which is a certain ass off. Yeah. I think that's for a lot of people, too. Mm-hmm.

The hustle. It is all about the hustle. Which is a certain kind of fantasy. Yeah. You know? Right. You just never live up to it. I lived there for, like, seven years, and then I just went back for, like, two days of vacation. And I was with kids, so that also, like, changed the lens I was viewing it with through.

But it was totally different. Yeah, it was kind of cool. But that did make me realize how much I was just head down, working my ass off the whole time that I lived there. Well, it's one of those cities that's almost not really a place that you... It's like Vegas. People live in Vegas, but it's like, should you? It's like Vegas. Like people live in Vegas, but it's like, should you? It's like living at Disneyland. It sounds like a good idea when you're 10, but it's like in practice.

You're too busy thinking about whether you could. Yeah. You have two options going out. You're going to go strip club or are you going to get drunk? Right. And you can only do that for so many weekends in a row. Or shoot a machine gun. Ooh, that too.

Shoot a machine gun, race a race car you know take a very expensive shitty roller coaster ride and then that's about it drive a uh construction truck you can the you can like rent giant but you know what the fucking parks out there because all that fucking gambling that revenue that it generates out there i'm when i see the public parks i'm like jesus christ what they're nice means yeah they were really really nice that's such a specific compliment yeah i had to live there for a few months back when i was in my political op days and i just remember like we had you know we very quickly burned through all the same shit like in the first week we're like well i can't go to fucking rain again uh like this is not gonna

fucking work for my body or my wallet and then so but because we're doing a lot of like organizing and stuff in the area we would go to certain like parks and community centers and everything's like what the fuck is this like and they said this is the bad part of town i'm like they got a fucking better park so we do in la oh yeah a lot of people have better parks than we do i know yeah i mean we have the yeah we have terrible the worst parks like that like to the point that i almost complimented new york city's parks when i was talking earlier like that's that's well it's the giant wraps that really kind of add to the feeling. It's almost like you're in an outdoor zoo. You're like, look at that.

Is that a sheep? Or is it like a petting kind of thing? Yeah, but they're off-leash, so they get to just explore the space. Yeah, it's like you're on the Sahara without having to travel. Yeah. It's like, oh, look, those raccoons are herding those dogs. It's like, those are rats, not raccoons. Ah, nature is beautiful nature is healing la just needs to turn every single golf course within

the city limits into a giant park oh yeah we'd be them that's anybody who knows how to do that reach out to me we need to we need to seize that shit all right reach out to me please reach out to me i got some ideas let's board these parks like fucking pirates got some scratchers i haven't quite scratched off you might be able to fund this thing yeah yeah uh all right you know we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first uh we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about we're gonna talk about the war on terror we're gonna take a look back at that bullshit through the eyes of Terry Albury, who was an FBI agent who is currently in jail as the first person convicted

under the Espionage Act since 2001, because he was basically like, oh, the FBI is basically sending people to prison and ruining people's lives for being Muslim. And this is fucked up. And he leaked it to The Intercept. And the details are wild and fucked up. So I just want to take a look at that as we're nearing the 20 year anniversary of September 11th. We're going to talk about Trump's campaign to stay front and center of our minds, how that's going. We're going to talk about America's weird history of commercializing 9-11 memorabilia, all of that, plenty more. But first, Hina, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay, there's a caveat here. So my last search is cheating dating sites. Now, I want to be clear that I was not searching these out for my own use, but I'm launching it. No, I would never. But I'm in the middle of launching a podcast and we're doing an episode about cheating and like films and TV shows that talk about cheating and I was thinking what is that website that people can go to and it was like a big conversation maybe five years ago and there was some leak and I couldn't figure it out it's Ashley Madison yeah I mean I was looking for research yeah for the same thing well you're gonna be the guest on the show right things on this side terrible things i mean first of all

it's hard to it doesn't really stick in your brain because it sounds like a fucking furniture brand yeah and then it was it didn't it turn out to be just all it was like men and bots like men no i read a recent review of people doing like uh are you thinking about using a dating site here's your options and it reviewed ashley madison and it actually is almost all real women because it's pretty much free to use the site if you're a woman and then the men have to pay for credits like almost like a what's that where the guys are trying to like get a girl from like another country and they pay credits to to male it's like that but domestic exactly it's exactly like that but domestic and all of the people i mean based on this review who knows how how real it is but all of the people they said were completely legitimate and people are using their real faces on this profile yeah that doesn't

make any sense like on grinder it's it's a lot sloppy. That doesn't make any sense. Like on grinder, it's, it's a lot of torso down. Right. You know what I mean? Like it makes a lot of sense. That's really all you care about. What's, what's the,

what's happening? Exactly. Yeah. I don't need to see your face and whether or not you like long walks in the beach. Right. I just want to know, does your willing enable?

Yes. And local. Are you carbon-based? Do you want some dick? Okay. Is there consent? You're a carbon-based life form and you have wheels. Great.

Yeah. Great. I got a question there, Tradecraft there, on just putting their picture on it. Because I'm sure there's also like location-based stuff, right? They're like matching you with people. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty much location-based and people give their height, weight, and whatever profile name they want to use. Right.

And then you just get it going because I guess divorce is too expensive. But a lot of people on the site, I'm like, would your divorce be all that expensive? Right. You know? What are you protecting right it's like the dog you know i can't i can't lose sparky yeah he's my only friend yeah yeah i was gonna say that that is like sloppy because then like you could easily see your significant other's best friend on there. But then that significant other has to explain why they're there. Because you're doing a podcast episode about the website. That's why I was there, fool. Why are we asking these questions?

And I met up with this woman to ask her about her experience on there for the podcast. Is it a crime to be a journalist? Is it a crime to be inquisitive? No. Wow. I feel like Upton Sinclair here just getting attacked for trying to bring things out into the light. I mean, if you're messy enough,

that would actually be a fun thing for a couple to do, to just be like, all right, look, we just want to see who around us, what marriages around us are in trouble. So we are signing on that we're both doing this for purely for research purposes right and then just like go in there and be like oh oh you know what it is it's you make you've basically created your own diy version of

cheaters with joey greco yeah you know what i mean but yeah you just do the legwork and like trying to find the local people and then just setting them up and then telling them there's like, hey, just record on your iPhone. Yeah.

I mean, that'd be a big TikTok show. That would. That's the stuff that gets viral on TikTok. It's just like people doing weird shit. Exactly.

Also, the kind of show that gets you stabbed probably by the fourth time like Joey Greco. Oh, yeah. How about that? What is something you think is overrated disney adults fathers giving their daughters away during the ceremony

and wine related home decor i uh i told my boyfriend the list before we started recording he's like are you adding my mom on this podcast? I said, absolutely not. Nina, if you're listening, love you.

I don't mean your home decor. Well, she's a big wine decor fan. Okay. That side of it. Right. Yeah. But the, the Disney adults,

there's nothing wrong with like, I still watch Disney movies when I'm feeling nostalgic and drunk, but it's the, when you start feeling drunk the same time feeling right true yeah the conditions must be met for me to regress when you're sad and depressed and you're just feeling like the world is on your shoulders like little mermaid kind of brings you back to a to like a happier time you know you can like go back to where you were at that at that moment in your life but it's the problem is when you start to incorporate it like into your wedding and into your personality or like i have a lot

of friends from high school that i see going on these like yearly mecca type trips to disney when i know that like you're trying to be you're like an aspiring youtube like influencer and you have 10 followers and i don't know where you're getting any of this money. Right. I know you're going into debt to take this little female selfie and say hashtag magic. You say for

wine-based decor, this can be anything from a wall made of corks? Don't talk about it. Wine about it. Like a decal that says like some people like beer goggles i like wine glasses exactly or that like fermented grapes are a fruit that's like getting your daily fiber intake from wine blah blah blah right right right it's usually on a white background and it's in script that's almost illegible right and there's like little stars in the corner it's a it's a way of life i think

right right yeah it's yeah i i know that look i know it's the culture of karen's and i don't want to shit on any culture right yeah but that is their culture and a lot of the wine puns shit just don't stop like because we're still in peak rose pun world i feel like the other day no way rose yeah no way rose when i was at target a while back i saw this and i'm like we're still doing this shit we're still doing this shit really okay stop and smell the rosé it's like okay thank you thank you i mean i don't know i guess that's their like i said that's like their weed you know like if they're like for their religion that's their weed there's the one you know i mean yeah yeah i don't think there's nothing bad about it you don't have a bunch of decor around your house that's like

bad about it you don't have a bunch of decor around your house that's like i'm looking at wine glasses that say hit me baby one more wine you don't have the equivalent of that that's pretty good yeah like i would. That's a real fucking thing. Oh, really? I thought that was on the spot. No, these people are criminal. They've exhausted the fucking entire like pun vocabulary for wine. Like I'm telling you, though, because it's the wine and pun world. I feel like it truly goes hand in hand with people who feel like very red, like literate.

hand in hand with people who feel like very red like literate and you know well you've reached the venn diagram of disney adult and wine related decor with hakuna muscato right that's their that's our battle cry yeah what is something you think is underrated costco kirkland signature i think it's underrated which thing though which goes goes like Focus in is buying booze at Costco. That's something that if you're not doing at home, do it now. You're wasting your money. You're wasting your life away if you're not buying booze at Costco. Having a party? Booze at Costco. Get the booze at Costco.

It's half the price and it's twice the size right and they have all of their mixers like their their gallon drinks those are also cheaper and you just like stock up go and go every quarter you don't even need to wait for a party don't be shame like go on your own like on the first of every month stock and like, just make it a part of your, your ritual, your routine. Right. Yeah. Do they have wine?

While we're on the subject? Do they have? Oh, absolutely. They have the, what's the giant wines? There's the regular wine bottle, but then there's the giant.

Magnum. Magnum. They have magnums for $6. I think a Jeroboam is the biggest one. Is it Jeroboam? Then there's a Nebuchadnezzar. It's like an even bigger bottle. Right. This is, I had a religionoboam is the biggest one. Is it Jeroboam? Then there's a Nebuchadnezzar. It's like an even bigger bottle. Right.

I had a religion teacher tell us this when we were 16. Is that true? Yeah, it's like, the biggest wine bottle that I have. And you're like, wait, what? Like, you were just talking about the passion of Jesus Christ. Well, it's hard to imagine how it can get bigger than those big ones. Like, how do you even carry that it's like the size it's just like a stupid i guess i don't know i i just tuned out because he would show like a man for all

seasons rather than like teaching like right that was like his whole curriculum and talking about gigantic wine bottles so anyway shout out to you i also have kitchen shears on this list. I think people bust out a cutting board and a knife for any old thing. You can just cut it. Just stand it above the pan. Snip, snip, snip. Sausages, carrots. And then I also have the TV show Veronica Mars.

It's a cult classic. I love it. I think it's Kristen Bell's best work. Yeah, I bought a yellow Nissan Xterra because of that show did you really no but i i thought that was a cool car then and i and i every time i say i'm like yeah all right yeah stand by it you could you could be like hey who's that who's that yellow xterra that completely missed me is that a it's like detective yeah it's like a it's like a grimier nancy drew in what looks like van nuys california got it no like magical element to it no magic element but it was only three seasons it got canceled and then the fan

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destroying innocent people's lives simply because of the color of their skin. And it's a wild profile because everything he, like, you're just, everything he's doing is, like, heroic, like, the way he's thinking about it. Like, he basically spends almost a decade of his life, like, trying to, like, dismantle it from within. right before 9-11 because he wanted to like to pursue and like protect children from child predators and like his family are like liberal people from berkeley and his uncle was a black panther and he was like i don't know like just not your typical FBI agent because he's not white and because he's liberal but also because he's not white

you look at the FBI I'm like I'm that meme of that black woman on her knees squinting like I included some pictures of his like graduating class from the FBI and like if the FBI had been profiling balding guys with goatees they would have been in a better position to recognize and address that problem

because yeah he is the only person of color in his graduating class and there are at least three balding guys with goatees there's no there's there's a there's an asian guy too Three balding guys with goatees. There's an Asian guy, too. Okay. And then one woman with a tan who, you know, maybe we can put that in the column. I don't know. But, yeah, this story is wild. Out of, like, 30.

The things that he says, right, are things that are not surprising or things that we have not heard of, too. But you can tell because of just sort of the clarity of which he's describing this, like they're like, oh, this is like, this is so offensive because we've known about the pattern of like entrapment that the FBI has been using and even used. As they say, there's like even reporting around

how the people who were attempting to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan, very similar playbook where it was the informants in the meeting saying hey what if we kidnap them huh right about that and then they go along like yeah i got them they're gonna do some wild shit so it's yeah this it's it's it's it's really i think a really disheartening thing is like again we're seeing another example of somebody who is trying to i guess you know not like not that he can right the ship but at least try and course correct in the small way he felt he could and then now he's in jail right

yeah i have complicated feelings about just the concept of changing a structure from within like i'm always a little i don't know like, like, sometimes I doubt, like, at some point, especially because he was in for so long, like, did it take that long to realize that this angle is not going to work? Like, let me transform the organization from within as the one guy trying to do it and i'm just always suspicious of like how real is that in practice like what are you doing on a day-to-day basis to try to transform something that is so systemic yeah like what does that even look like i think it probably looks like first trying to adhere to the systems that are in place to raise grievances within the structurally fucked organization you're in and then when those are rendered inert then you are like fuck how do i do so i guess i'll just laugh along like as he says then he had to just sort of like play along with all the like islamophobic nonsense that the other agents were talking about and like yeah and i don't and i guess maybe his rec you know his only

recourse is to just be like i guess the only thing you do is just come out very publicly and say what's happening because there's not there's like three moves you set up and it's like gotcha fbi now we're gonna be you know advocating for like workers rights yeah right no yeah there there is there isn't a playbook and i think it always surprises me i mean obviously, obviously, I'm not white, but I'm always I'm working to be not desensitized to the shock. But it's really fucking hard. You know what I mean? Like every day there is a new thing of like, well, did you know that we're racist? You know, and it's like, no, I've been knowing.

So. Right. Well, hold on. Hold on. How? This is a new story. This might be a new story, knowing. So. Right. Well, hold on, hold on. How? This is a new story. This might be a new story, actually. Ah.

How do I know that they're racist? Right. Just some basic data gathering. But yeah, I guess the amount of things that he was experiencing and having to witness, it sort of makes like all the shit that you see, especially like the war on terror propaganda shit that you see where it's like these people who are like, man, we got to defend the country, man, from evildoers. When really it was just a bunch of racists who said any person who came out of a mosque was a suspect. Like, that's not. Yeah, it's crime fighting. Like the details of how it was conducted was straight up like they would just pick somebody first of all

they would pay somebody to inform so that person was incentivized to just come up with information and i mean there's this quote from a former agent who's not the person in jail, Albury. But the agent says, I'd say most of our investigations were based on very thin leads from questionable sources. But what was the alternative? The government was convinced that there were sleeper cells all over the country and we had to find them. So it's just create what the government thinks is there. I mean mean it all started with that with the search for like wmds and iraq like the like that but that turned out to be just like kind of written into the you know cellular makeup of every aspect of the war on terror just like

make up a problem so that you had something to spend money on and like could get your angst out and your racist anger out well and that's the fantasy of the fbi too like it's so it's so self-indulgent you know i think that they have this image of themselves kind of like like running through the streets and like very captain america saving the world and then they catch a baby that's falling from the from a tower and i think like they have to work really hard to almost maintain that image of themselves and then their solution is well then let's create problems so that we can solve problems like let's just find shit to be doing so that we don't need to address all of the other structural problems that

they that we've created yeah like make a other make a bad guy and then it becomes very simple so then we don't need to be the bad guy yeah it's like almost like it's not even necessarily a policy of it but this is just how american society is like manifested in this organization which is like this sort of secret police force, which is, you know, there to uphold these narratives that we need to keep saying, like, everyone's in immense danger from the outside, from people from other countries. Also, these stereotypes that we have in our society, those are all true, because we also look for cases where that's, you know, we can reinforce those. And let's also, you know,

very clearly ignore all of like the discriminatory and racist behavior of the people within the agency. Yeah. Well, have you listened to the podcast Cops? So interesting. He also, so the guy that does it is Dan Taberski. He also has a new show that just launched called 912 that's about the impact of 9-11 that's really interesting but cops is all about the reality tv show cops and how that reality show spanning over decades like has had this huge hand in shaping like a quote-unquote officer's self-perception like what he thinks it looks like to be a detective and to be a cop and so it's these like grown man children almost replaying those like fight scenes

that they saw in cops and then like wanting to get the to get the bad guy and so they're like chasing the feeling of i don't know like like catching people red-handed or like needing it to be movie-like and so then they create the bad guys so they can have that moment for themselves it's really interesting yeah we had dan on before i think the show's called running from cops oh yes and it's yeah it's really mind-blowing and i mean but yeah it's just it's like so written into the dna that like the that tv show down to like every aspect of what this officer saw behind the scenes of like they would abuse the no-fly list to coerce muslims into spying on their communities basically saying like we're gonna put you on the no-fly list unless you give us names and then like just every everybody was under constant suspicion if they were muslim

like everyone everywhere it was was basically FBI agents were sent into these communities to instill fear, he says, and then generate this paranoia within these people so that they know that they're under suspicion perpetually and there's no justification for the suspicion other than the, he says, suspicion as a state of being but basically just you know that is a pervasive and corrosive like force that's just like there always it's not something that like you can like point to but you know you have the constant veil of suspicion and the possibility that somebody's just gonna fucking break into your house and make you give them names of your fucking best friends to like implicate them in a crime.

It's just like so poisonous. Oh, and the thought of even the concept of informants, right, I think is framed as this like sneaky strategy to get the bad guy. But in reality, like sneaky strategy to get the bad guy. But in reality, it only creates extreme mistrust, extreme divisiveness, and a feeling of oppression within the community. And then that even furthers the decay of the community structure, which disproportionately targets Black and brown communities. Yeah. All right. Well, we will link off to the article in the footnotes. All right. Well, we will link off to the article in the footnotes. It is definitely a worthy read and puts into context some stories that have been underrepresented in the mainstream media over the past 20 years for certain. Let's talk about real quickly what Donald Trump and his campaign are doing to try and stay front and center without holding office and without having access to an active social media account all he can he you know he has very few tools at his disposal because he's not like at the g7 with a mic and where he can just be like says some wild shit and then it consumes that fucking headlines for you know weeks on end so he's got to be very efficient and like right now

his toolkit includes rallies saying vile racist shit just straight up lies or i guess doing commentary at boxing matches on the 20th anniversary of 9-11 so we'll talk about the last couple points you know for example his latest attempt at just creating a bunch of waves was him lamenting the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue in Virginia. He had this whole, you know, because now all he does is put out like press releases in the form of like tweets. But they're just so long. People just check out after the first sentence. One of the last ones of this sentence says, if only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, what an embarrassment. We are suffering because we don't have the genius of a Robert E. Lee, the guy who wanted to destroy

the union to keep slavery around. That's so, you know, that, that got, that chummed the waters a little bit, but it didn't quite, I don't think did maybe did the numbers that he was used to, you know, getting for saying things like that. Then he said something about nine 11 that I didn't realize he's been saying like a few different lies about nine 11. The most prominent ones were that he went down there with a crew and like helped do shit.

That's where people are like, I don't know. We've, we saw you down there. Not many people have heard of you bringing any kind of resources to help aside from like a camera to document you being there and then he also said like he was giving money to charities and never did so he apparently he's telling a new lie and i just want to play his new lie for everybody to hear because this

is just again part of his self-myth building that he does and he's normally used to. Well, I was down there right after the event and I brought a big crew of people down and I helped. A lot of other people helped. Those first responders are very brave. And I'm telling you, we were hearing creaks. I've never forgotten it. There was, I think, the United States Steel Building was called at the time, and it's 50 stories tall. And we heard creaks. I said, that building's going to come down. And two big firemen grabbed me and grabbed other people, and they just moved out of that area.

Never came down, but I'd never heard a noise like that. And it was a scary situation. But the job they— Okay, so he's lying like someone's elderly parent. Or five-year-old. Yeah, either one. Yeah, there's an entire spectrum of liars. But yeah, I like how he goes,

Oh, my God, and the firemen are like, get out! And, you know, it never came down. But I'll never forget. That's his... The art of the lie is to be like and you know it never did come down to make it like sound a little bit truer that like it's not like they're exploded in the background you can't prove it like right did y'all hear the creaks with donald trump after 9-11 they're like what are you talking about what the creeks no well and he also tries to tell lies that can

like he purposely tells lies that can be verified because as a normal human being you're like no one would lie about something that would be so easily disproven yeah but he's not a normal human being and this particular lie reminds me of if you've watched the documentary the woman who wasn't there it's just a documentary about a woman who like inserted herself into 9-11 survivor support groups and people that lost families and husbands and told this big story about how her fiance died and blah blah blah blah it's fascinating but it's it's literally just him right you know and her whole thing fell apart when someone just bothered to like, look into it.

Right. Well, and the shame too, it was another survivor that was like, this is not making any sense. Right. Right. Like,

but you're never like, you would never do that. You know, like, I wonder if this person is lying about losing their arm and their husband died and then was saved by this firefighter. You just never think to. Yeah.

And then you look into it and then it's... Yep. It's just an insult to people who actually went through it, like my friend Steve Ranazzisi, who... Sorry. Good guy. Yeah, comedy fake 9-11 joke. Wow.

For all the comedy fans out there, Steve Rannis, he's the 9-11 scandal. One of the guys from the, what is it, the league? Yeah. Claimed that he was there. Also did the same thing. Oh, my God. Oh, and one last thing, though, about the boxing match.

Yesterday when we were talking about it, I said, look, they probably got a fucking payday for that. And there's sources out there saying that they put an obscene amount of money in front of the two Trumps to get them to do color commentary at this boxing event with Evander Holyfield. Even though a lot of people who are working on it are like, dude, I don't want anything to do with some Trump production. The promotion company was like, sorry, look, maybe this will sell tickets because, I don't know, maybe it will.

If anyone can comment on physical prowess and sport, it's going to be the boy Don. That's how he was known young in his athletic career, the boy Don if anybody that's how he was known young in his athletic career the boy Don he's like oh look at his biceps they're bigger than Christmas hams

oh you love to see it wow I bet they're so juicy how do you think they taste you can take a big old bite out of that what do you mean boxing stop looking at everyone like food I'm shocked that he hasn't started a podcast. Like, that feels like the obvious, like an Alex Jones-y, just like errant stream of consciousness.

I'm just surprised that it hasn't happened. I wonder if someone's just done the thing like, you know, like if you've ever been in a podcast session and you're monitoring your own mic, so you're hearing your own voice come through your headphones. If they just put that on him, if that's like an Oculus headset for him. When he's like, whoa, what's happening? Just selfie ASMR. Hello. Yes. Who's that man?

Fuck you, Hillary. And he never presses record. Yeah, yeah. He's recorded 300 episodes, but none of them are available to the welcome back to episode 5022 of the sundowning with trump show i don't know where that goes but yeah i i think it's just it because there's no audience i think that's probably why like you can't retweet the podcast yeah exactly he needs that stimulation yeah right. Let's take another quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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and they told me, they said you're the greatest president since Washington maybe. And this one contained like big firefighters coming to sweep him off his feet. Huge. Huge. These firefighters were huge,

and they whisked me out of there, took me to their place. There's even a supercut of him talking about big, strong guys. Yeah. Look at the size of that guy. Powerful guy. You know, I have a friend,

big guy, one of the biggest in the world. That's some big people behind me. Powerful guy. Big, strong guy. Big, strong guy. Big, strong people behind me. Big strong guy. Big strong guy. I mean, you know, so he's definitely like, yeah, I'm sure.

He loves him. Big guy. One of the biggest in the world. Big Gary, they call him. The biggest. Had biceps the size of Christmas hams. Did he say the Christmas hams thing or no but it sounds so old folky you know biceps they were like they were like the kinds of chains they used to put on the side of navy

battleships so strong so strong so strong anyways you think he i would look i wonder if like low key he's paid an artist to do like a, like a romance novel cover with him being swept away by one of these, like these big guys he's always talking about, you know, like a Fabio-esque sort of just big chiseled guy. You should have seen him. He swept me away from the rubble. Really, I felt so safe in his arms. And that's how I want the country to feel with my new military plan. Toward a Fabio maybe feel. Just tender,. Just tender.

Yeah, tender. And you're in the arms of a guy with biceps the size of Christmas hams. Just as sticky. Just as smoky. And you're like, how'd you get the clothes in there? With the little pineapple circers. The hatch work on the cut on the fat is really impressive.

Oh, boy. Alright, well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising, given who was elected president in 2016, that America hasn't been super respectful, classy when it comes to never forgetting 9-11. So our writer, J.M., kind of took a look back at 9-11, the national tragedy, and merchandising bonanza. Uh-oh. And, yeah, there's some wild shit in here. So, there was a big run of coins that came out very early on. There was a medallion allegedly made from recycled steel from the World Trade Center that costs a mere $30. And this is, you know, noble.

They set aside 5,000 to 10,000 medallions for the victims' families at no charge. So kind. Yeah. We turned this murder scene into a neck chain for other people to buy but here's a free one for you because it's such a terrible loss so sorry in 2004 there were coins supposedly minted

from silver recovered at ground zero which I don't know from the pocket change of the victims no wasn't there that like rumor that there was this like vault or something in the fucking basement? Oh, there was some I just remember some weird folksy bullshit thing of like, you know, there was like a lot of precious metal in there, too. But I don't know. I mean, it could be true, but maybe it was recovered.

But I remember that was like a big like a ground zero three kings where they're going in. Depending on what part of the Internet you were on at the time. Right. So these, they actually claimed, were legally authorized silver dollars, which they weren't. They were actually made by a novelty company that also produced Harry Potter coins, which also not acceptable as legal tender as far as i know and then in in 2011 the federal government started selling their own 9-11 commemorative coin for uh 56.95 you gotta

mark it up so that you know you take advantage of the the fact that it's the real deal from the people who brought you 9-11 is the 9-11 coin like what are you doing y'all like sorry about our foreign policy y'all here's a coin directed by m night shamalan sponsored by m night shamalan right for 56.99 who could say no what a specific number too why does it have to be 57 dollars like what is you know is that the market number to make you feel like oh they were thinking about how valuable that is probably yeah they could have just said 100 but i think it's really probably worth close to 57 the government is honest with their pricing there was a non-coin related merchandise the 9-11 coloring book for children, which, you know, there was for the ladies, I'm sure

that there was an image of Osama bin Laden being executed while cowering behind a woman in a Muslim hijab, which is the text from the page. Yeah. Yeah. So this is so funny, man. Like they just basically turn never forget and to be like, never never forget we're now painting all people from the Middle East as evildoers. Never forget that's the script we're sticking to now. Like, it was never about the United States because that's just this malleable concept that people bandy around so disingenuously to bolster whatever fucked up ideology they have. It's never about the actual country. It's just sort of saying, well, this is a thing you can't attack, so I'll put the country in front of me,

and then that will protect whatever nonsense I'm advocating for. Because it was like, the other thing with the merchandise is, I remember every TV show, they were like doing stuff and people were fucking wrapped up in the flag and shit and crying, and they're like, I just feel so special to be part of of this country and it truly was put us in this era where you could not criticize the united states right like people who are on the news saying like well the reason people wanted to attack the united states is because of all the destabilizing activity that we do in the region that creates jihadist movements and things like that and they're like

they're vanished because you know a fucking fighter jet is gonna like nut red white and blue over like a football game or some shit well i think a huge part of that is like not that americans aren't or some americans aren't racist already but i think to keep people obsessed with america they have to convince everyone that the rest of the world isn't free and you're the only one that's free. And that's why you should be so proud as opposed to like the reality, which is there's lots of places that, you know, free health care. And like when you have a baby, you can stay home with your baby. Oh, no. What's that place?

Sounds scary. Yeah. Do they have challenge coins to commemorate their tragedy? They don't have merch, though. That's, I mean. That's where they lose me. You know, it was also like one of the most lucrative kind of storylines that America has ever. Because like after the Cold War, the military industrial complex didn't really know

what to do with themselves and then this gave them a new purpose so they successfully cashed in but it was generally like seen as not a great look when like walmart recreated the towers out of cases of soda yeah which is there i think a lot of people have seen that picture, but you got the red, white, and blue with the Pepsi, Diet Coke, and Coke cans, and then the towers are made of Coke Zero. And the thing is, the people were mad that they were mixing Pepsi and Coke products.

Well, they should have done all Pepsi because Pepsi solves all of the world's injustices. Right. Yes. We've long said that. Yeah. Can you imagine if they had that same ad agency around 9-11? If they were like with the Kendall Jenner ad?

If they tried to do something? It's like, Muhammad Atta here. I think you just want this Pepsi, sir. Yeah. Yikes. She's a flight attendant. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. just want this pepsi sir yeah yeah she's a flight attendant yeah yeah oh my god yeah it would have been united 93 or whatever the fuck and it would have been a pepsi at this that's what's just again

just so weird about everything is that there's not there's nothing there's no sanctity to anything every because and i think that's really what all this reveals is there's nothing sacred in this country. Absolutely fucking nothing. Not even human life. Because it'll just be a fucking merch display or a commemorative blanket or a coin. Because someone else doesn't give a fuck. They just know that they can use these events to make more money or more fear. Yeah. So, wow.

Never forget, nothing is sacred here the 9-11 museum is still open the gift shop is still like putting out products like a cheese cutting board a 9-11 commemorative cheese tray where it's a in the shape of the united states and their little hearts where the hijacked airplanes went down. So, you know. There's something like meta about taking a knife to a board that commemorates the. Right. Something about that.

This is, I'm not sure who made it, but it was an official selection. made it but it was an official selection that like the person who runs the museum's gift shop which again the 9-11 museum maybe maybe shouldn't have a gift shop but the person who runs it was like we're nothing sacred we're uh carefully selecting products to make sure they're tasteful and yeah and apparently this fell under that category and it's also just kind of extra fucked up because the 9-11 museum also has unidentified remains on the premises of so like many relatives of victims have actively protested just the idea of having fucking people selling mugs and t-shirts and scarves well have they tried the cutting boards yet right because maybe that's some of they are pretty they do look pretty nice yeah yeah what do you

what kind of fucking again look there's so many things wrong with this cutting tray cheese board fucking sharku terrorism board that they've got but like the only thing that this has it's a ceramic outline of the united states with just three fucking stars painted on like parts of the northeast yep that's really so they've i'm sure they reappropriated some ceramic mold and said all right put stars there it's 9-11 my next thing is if you are putting this platter together are you like really treating that section of the cheese board as sacred you're not just gonna lay a shitload of crackers and shit on top of it right and like honeycomb and further disrespect the i just don't everything about it like i don't even know how you present

it in a way that someone goes oh my god is this a 9-11 commemorative that's so thoughtful of you like this is you're such an ace with the decor you know i love it thank you so much and like yeah and and these wine 11 glasses that you made i love it i love it i mean those have to exist right is there wine 11 there has to be wine 11 at this point i mean haven't we reached wine 11 can't help but forget or something like that where it's like oh my god wine 11 never forget your corkscrew there you go the gift shop is still going today selling everything from toy cars for 65 that look like just 20 toy cars but they have Never Forget written on the hood. And then there's also a bunch of t-shirts,

20 years later, limited edition collection of just garbage. I just looked on Etsy and there's some 9-11, like 20 years later, Never Forget face masks. And I just don't think that the audience that wears Never Forget memorabilia and wears a mask ever overlap right yeah it's kind of a wasteful product really that's an interesting person though i'd like where's that new york times profile right they're multifaceted for sure yeah but yeah it's just i don't know yeah it's a bad i don't know it's been so it's been 20 years i mean jesus

like it's been so long and you think of how things have changed so drastically just in the last few years but how we're still like really having a problem having a real again because america hates a reckoning having a reckoning with this supposed war on terror and the amount of money that was just hissed away while everything just went by the wayside here in the country. Yeah. I mean, it's just I don't know. I'm just thinking back of like how that fucking I remember the city in L.A. People were so hopped up on that patriotism shit. It was fucking wild.

Like every street turned into some like fucking jingoist it's just like everything was a parade suddenly right except for specific parts of the city but yeah like i just felt like everything else was just uh just this like weird fever dream that people went through those first couple years and like completely ignored what was actually at stake yeah hey but that's huh it's like the government knows what they're doing when it comes to shit like that well hina it has been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people having me find you and follow you and hear you and all that yes you can follow me personally at hina Rising on all socials, and you can check out some of the stuff that Salted Logic is doing at saltedlogic.com.

Yeah, yeah. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, this is my favorite tweet of this week, and it is, serial killers in the 70s had no idea that they were going around creating content. serial killers in the 70s had no idea that they were going around creating content that's good you you wrote your thesis about like true crime yeah my my thesis was about how podcasting is like transforming true crime to like have an impact on the justice system because the people that basically like we write stories about like really pretty white well-off women and then that stops the public from being able to recognize someone that isn't that archetype as a victim and then it stops their cases from being solved because we have no the diversity of what we see as a victim is so small that like it impacts our empathy right and then podcasting has been yeah the

yeah the women in podcasting that like you know women experience most women have experienced some kind of sexual harassment in their life and they just have more empathy with victims. So instead of talking about, like, Ted Bundy and how he's so hot, which is kind of what true crime was for a while, they're talking about the victims and their pain, and it's transforming the way that we see crime because it's being told in this, like, empathetic, kind of female-driven way. Yeah. Really cool.

Miles, where can people find you, and what's a tweet you've been enjoying oh boy twitter instagram at miles of gray also the other show if you like 90 day fiance check out 420 day fiance with sophia alexandra and i where we do not just can look through the matrix of that show and some tweets that i like okay so the first the first one is from Tani Newsome at Trondi Newman. She tweeted, last night my friend was trying to list all the fixings on a Chicago dog. And when she couldn't remember anymore, she lifted up her jean short leg. And on her thigh was a huge Chicago dog tattoo.

And she looked at it and goes, oh, yeah, pickle spears. This city takes my breath away. Wow. Another one from Trash Jones at Jay Zucks tweeting when God closes a door, he opens a window. Unfortunately, we are on a plane.

That's pretty good. Tweet I've been enjoying Roy Wood Jr. tweeted iPhone cameras are too good for them to still be charging us for school day pictures i respect the hustle though that is still still happening and we're still paying for it i'm not proud of it but and the pictures are so bad the pictures are because yeah anyways i think my dad tried to take he tried to show up and take a picture of me Just trying to save money once

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On Instagram we have a Facebook fan page And a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you'll enjoy. Miles, what song are we suggesting people check out? This is, it's not going to be kanye west going to taco bell tonight remix this is going to be from bad bad not good they have a new track out with kareem riggins one of

my favorite drummers and one of my favorite musicians like just a regular collaborator with jay dilla and this track is called beside april and And, you know, Bad, Bad, Not Good, they're all musicians. So this is just a band playing their thing. But the track is just very smooth sounding. And it feels like a psychedelic, like Italian spy movie, like score, something like that. But it's funk too. So, yeah, that's what I'm telling you. I'm trying to give people a mood so they understand what the track will evoke.

Maybe, yeah, draw you into listening to it. give people a mood so they understand what the track will evoke. Yeah. Draw you into listening to it. So this is Beside April with Bad, Bad, Not Good featuring Kareem Riggins. Damn. All right. I am intrigued. I am going to go check that shit out. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever

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