The Daily Zeitgeist - Racist Walgreens Myth, Michael Myers = BLM Ally? 10.21.21

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

In episode 1013, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and writer Kenny DeForest to discuss Racist myth or real life? Walgreens edition, RUDY IS NOT DRUNK Vol. 912, Facebook’s Brand Is So Toxic Zuck...erberg Reportedly Wants to Change Its Name, The Awkward Politics of the New Halloween Movies  and more!FOOTNOTES: Racist myth or real life? Walgreens edition RUDY IS NOT DRUNK Vol. 912 Facebook’s Brand Is So Toxic Zuckerberg Reportedly Wants to Change Its Name The Awkward Politics of the New Halloween Movies LISTEN: DJ Nu-Mark, Bacao Rhythm & Steel Band - Everybody Everybody Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Just listen, okay? Or Lacey gets it. Do it. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 207, Episode 4 of Der Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Thursday, October 21st, 2021. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Havana Unana. I'm hearing
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Starting point is 00:02:44 Suburban Panic Attack. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Ken Lee. Ken Lee is a Dodger. Ken Lee. He strikes out the Braves. Ken Lee, he strikes out the Braves. Ken Lee, Ken Lee Jansen. Okay, that's just my love for Ken Lee Jansen.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Helping the Dodgers eke out a game three win. Wonderful. Shouts to Cody Bellinger as well. But I always love Ken Lee Jansen because the reason I sing that song is there's a viral video called Ken Lee. And it's a woman in Eastern Europe auditioning for their equivalent of American Idol. And she's singing that Mariah Carey song, Without You. But she's singing all gibberish. She's like, Ken Lee, I believe in you, but without you.
Starting point is 00:03:42 And the judges are like, I'm sorry, what song was that? She's like, Ken Lee by Mariah Carey. And they're like, Ken Lee. And I always think of Ken Lee Jansen when I think of that. So, shout out to Ken Lee. Love his pitching motion. We were just talking about it before we started. Just holds it up there.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Let you know what's about to happen. I don't like his pre-motion motion where he does the two little shoulder ticks, but I guess that helps him keep his hips closed or open. I'm sure at bat, too, if you're not used to it, it might throw you off a little bit because you might be like, oh, wait, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like if I was a pitcher, like if that was your superpower, that you could throw a baseball 100 miles per hour,
Starting point is 00:04:27 like that's how I would design my motion, because he just holds it up there like, you fuckers ready for this? Ready for this. Yeah, he doesn't hide it. He just lets you know it's coming. Let's hope this series lasts for a few more games too. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious and talented comedian writer and actor who you've seen on seth meyers cordon on hbo's crashing he was a producer and co-host of comedy at the knitting factory one of the best independently run comedy shows in the world as comedy album bad dreams debuted number one on itunes he's named one of the best of just for last new faces by Village Voice. Please welcome the hilarious, the talented Kenny DeForest! Hey, that's my best Ken.
Starting point is 00:05:14 He's got his own money in a used car. And I didn't have time to think of more lyrics. But this is Best Friend by Sweetie and also Doja Cat. Hello. Good to be here. Beautiful, beautiful. I hope that was okay. It felt not as good as what you guys had going on, but... You know, that was great.
Starting point is 00:05:34 That felt fantastic. I think that's our first best friend, a.k.a. Yeah. Now I feel good. What's new, man? Oh, man. You know, it's really good to be here. I was at the Laker game last night.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Saw Sweetie. So, you know, she was on the dome. She was on the brain. She's in your bones. I actually was like, who is that beautiful woman holding a diamond-crusted basketball? And I was right in my suspicion it was a rapper because it was Sweetie. Diamond-crusted basketball. That was a bag or that's just like no no
Starting point is 00:06:05 she was just holding it and then yeah yeah she was just like she was like you know in case
Starting point is 00:06:11 in case you guys lose the ball I got this one and um she was sitting next to Jeannie Buss and I was just like this is great
Starting point is 00:06:18 I just like this is the best but the best of Los Angeles is the Staples Center I love that place right yeah Adele was in the building you know what i mean a lot of people were talking about her and rich paul just i think it's rocking like a what leather outfit yeah no i actually saw her
Starting point is 00:06:33 she went running across the court literally all the way from one side to the other ran up the stairs gave a woman a hug and then turned around and ran back and i was like i don't know who that woman is but she's important but that's that's a flex right there she's about to get an album yeah she's about to get an album written about her it actually interrupted a fast break when she did that yeah but people are just like oh shit it's adele sorry our bad adele you just uh go on your way yeah adele uh rich paul i mean the queen of staples. Staples is a new queen. Being an L.A. fixture now, leaving London town. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I see you, Adele. Yeah, I do like that it's no longer just like, oh, did you see Jack Nicholson? Yeah, it's like, no, I didn't. It bummed me out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Try not to see Jack. There's so much more to see.
Starting point is 00:07:25 There's always that thing at Laker games where they'll put him on the big screen. And he used to be like, you know, play it cool. I feel like yesterday when they put him on, he was just kind of like, like he was like, all right, all right, all right. I was like, damn. Yeah, time comes for all of us. That's true. Yeah. He's got an entire hot dog in the corner of his mouth.
Starting point is 00:07:45 Like, just dangling. Yeah. Oh, man. One of the greats, both our guest and Jack Nicholson. All right. We are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, let's tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about today. There is a new sort of racist myth happening in the mainstream media that we want to just debunk for you real quick. And we're going to talk about Biden's child vax plan. We'll talk about all that. We'll talk about Facebook's new plan. You know, it's always a good sign when your strategy for moving your company forward is the same as the strategy murderers use when they go on the lam because he's he's gonna give them a new name i think is the plan uh we'll talk about a new
Starting point is 00:08:32 historical narrative from david graber who wrote that bullshit jobs essay and passed away last year but he has a new kind of comprehensive revision of how we think about history. That's pretty dope. And of course, we'll look at the 912th reason that Rudy Giuliani is not drunk. Thank you very much. All of that, plenty more. But first, Kenny, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Fantasy NBA pre-draft rankings because i just had my draft for fantasy basketball it's a big part of my life and uh if you don't play fantasy basketball you're fucking up dude it's the best one is it i feel like i i fantasy is a really it's a fine it's a double-edged sword like it causes me to get so engaged with a league but also i can't do anything else except
Starting point is 00:09:27 like have regrets all the time about like who i'm playing or not playing and i'm like i knew it i and like that part really fucks me up currently i'm like it's easier to do with like the english premier league which we have a fantasy league for the listeners. And that's his games like once a week. And then I can just kind of like, all right, I can, I can have my regrets. But other times, like when I've done football or things like that, it's just, it, it fully takes over me. Yeah. Well, so for me, the, the, I guess this is the way I rationalize it anyway, but I just
Starting point is 00:09:59 look at that when I'm taking a deuce instead of Twitter and it makes me less mad than Twitter. that when i'm taking a deuce instead of twitter and it makes me less mad than twitter wow so so it is it is like improvement in that regard you know right and then i just kind of you know i treat it like a uh instapot man i set it and forget it you know the lineup gets set and i and i and i move on with my life and if something happens something happens but who's uh who uh who do you play with like other comedians you have like a consistent group you've been doing this for years with, with high stakes. Like what's the culture of your fantasy crew? This is the fourth year of this league,
Starting point is 00:10:32 the third year of it being a keeper league. We voted after the first year to make it a keeper league. So it's a bunch of comics and like a couple guys that are just friends of comics in the league because we needed to fill space. But four years strong, couple guys that are just friends of comics in the league because we needed to fill space but um four years strong we call it the jimmy butler standard because we've got a very high some would call it unreasonable standard for the league and um yeah man we're looking good this year okay yeah do you uh so you have a squad that you've had for a couple years now and you're just like adding yeah well you keep four players per year this now, and you're just, like, adding? Yeah, well, you keep four players per year.
Starting point is 00:11:07 And you can only keep each guy three years. So this is my last year of Luka. I took Luka as a rookie, and I've been trying to build a winner around Luka. And we'll see. I took Jalen Green this year, too, so I'm still thinking about the future. And we'll see, man.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I think I got third last year, so we got to step it up. Are there any, like... This is the other thing that always surprised me when you play fantasy people. Like, people are just freaks out of nowhere with their fantasy knowledge or just, like, they're thinking about it really effectively. I'm like, what the fuck? Barely talk about this sport. Are you fucking smashing me out?
Starting point is 00:11:38 Do you have people like that in the league or everyone's kind of pretty consistently performing? Well, no, definitely. There's definitely that. And, I mean, you know, for for me why i like it dude is i i fucking waste so much of my life reading about basketball as it is right it's like i should do something with this knowledge like this can't just be something i talk about at the bar once a month when i happen to be around people in a game zone like i gotta have i gotta do something with this knowledge that i have but yeah there's like couple of ringers in the league where it's like, dude, I thought you were,
Starting point is 00:12:08 I thought you were, I don't know what I thought you did with your time, but I did not think it was no this much about the coolest sport that's ever existed. So yeah, man, consistently shocked, but I just love it. I love the league. I love the sport. And, um, you know, it's a mental health thing coming out of the pandemic. It's like, let's take care pandemic it's like let's take care of the head let's take care of the head i don't need to be looking at the 24-hour news cycle all day so all right i'll allow myself to do something dumb that makes me happy you know i love that i and it's i think a great thing to say this is a perfect social media substitute yeah right to give yourself something else to just look at will take your attention it will cause you to look at other articles but at least it's not about the decaying yeah like you know no matter how bad jalen green shoots he's not trying to take abortion away you know what i mean
Starting point is 00:12:55 so it's like at the very baseline i'm not going to be that mad right right right you know that's jonathan isaacs is trying to take away yeah yeah that's what it's what those long arms are used for yes fucked up yeah i used to play fantasy hoops and i just it it's definitely like right in that sweet spot between like football is almost pure luck and it's once a week so you don't have to like think about it all that much it's like the easy kind of starter fantasy sport. Baseball, I think I've never played baseball, but my friends who do like it takes over their life. And like it's all they talk about for the entire baseball season.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Basketball is like right in the middle. You know, it has half the games of baseball. And but I don't know, man, I won the first year that I was in my, like, college friends league and then, like, just steadily got worse. And I was just like, all right, fuck this. I don't want this. Yeah. But it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:13:53 The people who, you know, you got Jokic as the number one pick this year just in standard redraft leagues. But some people, like, LeBron is number 25 because he rests so much uh just according to like some some rankings okay and also we'd be remiss to not tell people that today is national reptile awareness day i think we forgot that oh yeah dude did i forget to mention that yeah i know we fucked up fuck man yeah and national witch haz Witch Hazel Day. Okay? Oh, right. Clear your skin up with some witch hazel. I did mention that, though, right?
Starting point is 00:14:27 I did mention the witch hazel. Get your toner. And, hey, if you got some hemorrhoids, put some witch hazel on those motherfuckers. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah, baby. That's the active ingredient. Oh, yeah. Hemorrhoidal treatments, conditioners, shampoos, toners, postpartum care, personal cleansing.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Okay. Yeah, put it on your face or your butthole. Either one of these. That's how you know it's safe. Versatile. If safe his face safe that's right yeah i mean every day is national reptile awareness day over here because we're aware of the uh reptilian shapeshift plots take over the the globe and thank you you know hillary when are we going to talk about this more yeah man if i see one more motherfucker with a vertical eye-blink axis, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:09 Yeah. God, I'm tired of this. Everywhere I look, just with your slit eyes blinking at me, always sunning on a rock, catching whole rodents with your tongue and swallowing them whole. Enough! Enough is enough. If you don't think Bill and Hillary Clinton are somewhere sunning on a rock right now then i
Starting point is 00:15:28 don't know what to tell you yeah you know they're sunning in iraq okay on a rock and why do you think they invaded yeah iraq because george bush sunning rocks oh do you mean where do you mean where they helped uh jeffrey epstein escape to yeah exactly ir Iraq. What's a rock if not an island? Thank you. What is something you think is overrated, Kenny? The game of golf. I just took it up. I just took it up.
Starting point is 00:15:56 I just took it up. And I am proud to say I've already reached my 10,000 hours of yelling, God damn it! Because that is all. Honestly, golf, it's just like men just need to get more comfortable being like hey man you want to do you want to just talk do you want to just like look out at the landscape and talk yeah we ain't like looking at each other you want to go for a stroll my guy we don't even have to carry you know clubs i just want to hang out with my pal
Starting point is 00:16:25 right yeah i mean my god so and even then there's not questions being asked in golf it's like it's like you're you're teeing off it's like god fuck man and you're like yo is everything cool yeah man i'm good it's just shit at home dude you know got the wedding coming up and you're like oh that's the entry point into someone speaking about it's just like let me have an outburst and then when someone goes whoa buddy then the healing can start 100 it is that is really all it is it's like you shouldn't have to i don't know i shouldn't have to spend like a month's paycheck on clubs just to tell my friend that i'm frustrated right you know you're right come on man but at the same time i'll keep going
Starting point is 00:17:14 back because that's what it does i'm a masochist is it the like because i know like when i early on when tiger woods was on the scene i was like like, well, I'm blazing. Then that means this is my basketball. It was like, I wasn't good at karate or basketball. So I was like, what other racist stereotype can I use to try and give my 12 year old imagination something to hold on to? And in the beginning, it was all about really like connecting with the ball. And as a kid, I just didn't have the patience. Like sometimes you'd connect, you're like, oh, that was fucking amazing.
Starting point is 00:17:44 I love this shit. Other times I would just go to a driving range. And then other times you've completely fuck up and like, this is trash. I hate my life and everything. Are you, does the thing that entices you is just like that, that sort of you're striving for that consistency to be able to be like every, I don't curse every time now. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Well, I mean, you know, yeah. Truth be told, dude, I grew up playing basketball very competitively and, um, you know, and I still play, but I'm hitting that age where my body's starting to be like, maybe you need to find a new competitive outlet. Right. Right. So we can age gracefully. Cause I mean, dude, it's one of those things you don't want to think about it, but I cannot get hurt. I just can't get hurt. At this point in my life, like when I moved to LA, I tore my labrum in a pickup game at LA Fitness because every way, I don't know if you know this, but everyone at LA Fitness thinks that there's Lakers scouts there. And they're really trying to get that 10 day. And I tore my labrum. It was my first three months in LA. And I come home from the gym and my right arm is just dead,
Starting point is 00:18:45 like fully hanging to the side. I can't move it. And I got to explain to my girl that her, her man is now one armed for the next like two months. I didn't have health insurance. So I was literally just on zoom. Luckily I had a childhood friend who became a doctor. So I was like, what's going on? And he like talked me through it. But at the end of that, I was like, I can't like, right. me through it but at the end of that i was like i can't like right i'm a grown-ass man i can't have one arm for two months you know what i'm saying like if i tear my achilles or yeah if i like i played pickup ball before a uh stand-up taping one that's how crazy i am like i was in new york to tape something like a big career thing
Starting point is 00:19:21 i'm playing pickup ball like two days before and at the end i was like what the what why what was that like what if you tore your acl and then you just have to come out on crutches to do your job like oh my god like bro you know this is a great bit he's doing oh the one-legged comedian i like this angle he's got a good angle guy who just came from pickup ball it's like very real you're like i'm just kind of in denial about my mortality at the moment but got a whole 30 on it i played pickup hoops the morning of my uh wedding and almost got into a fight with somebody that would have been bad oh you know i was a young hot-headed uh-old. You get punched in the eye. It's like even Jack's eye is in black tie. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Good look. What is something you think is underrated? The national parks of this beautiful country. I think I've probably gone on about this on this show before, but we just had a friend get married in Yosemite. And dude, as easy as it is to hate America right now and what it stands for just go look at it dude it's so beautiful and honestly like i know fans of this show are probably fans of
Starting point is 00:20:33 progressive politics or you just listen to get really angry about progressive politics but national parks are progressive politics done well. It's just perfect, man. And it honestly just fuels my soul, dude. And it got me through the pandemic. And yeah, we were in Yosemite, and we went on the Hetch Hetchy hike, which is the reservoir that gives San Francisco all its drinking water. And it was just dope, man. Just learning about the attitudes of this country
Starting point is 00:21:05 and how they've shifted. So like Hetch Hetchy was used to be a Valley and then they flooded it after the San Francisco fires. None of this I knew before this wedding, by the way. So San Francisco, there was like a huge public debate. And at the time, this is early 1900s, the prevailing public opinion was that the wilderness is something to be conquered very like manifest destiny sort of attitude like it's us versus nature right we got to go conquer that shit and show who's the boss who's the king of the fucking world yeah and dry up all the rivers and lakes and then turn the things that aren't rivers and lakes into rivers and lakes that's right just just because we can because we're fucking men yeah we gotta we gotta gentrify the woods and yes you know make the deer
Starting point is 00:21:50 go find somewhere else to live exactly and so but then there was this guy john we're m-u-i-r i don't know how to say it i just read it yeah and he like he was a all about it early preservationist you know what i mean and like they kind of reached this compromise with Hetch Hetchy because San Francisco burned down and they were like, bro, we need water. And so they kind of worked together to create this situation that worked well for nature and for people. And I was just so fascinated, man. And by the end, I was like, I honestly needed to hear about a time
Starting point is 00:22:19 where people came together and solved a problem. You know what I mean? So National Parks, you've got to take advantage, man. people like came together and solved a problem and you know what i mean so i just we had national parks you got to take advantage man everyone we we did so much work in the like new new deal era like the one time that america was able to like consolidate behind progressive and you know socialist ideals and we're just coasting off of that shit like ever since and like slowly undoing that progress yeah man and it's just like it's the shit that like it should be bipartisan you know what i mean like i've been in national parks and seen dudes in mega hats walking around and i'm just like so i know you love this right but you know that the guy he wants to drill this for you know that
Starting point is 00:23:04 right like he wants that's not. You know that, right? That's not here, though. That's Bears Ears. It's like, well, that's also a national park and monument. They're looking for good drilling spots. That's what they're doing there. Yeah. Yeah, I love the idea of a Republican who goes to Sedona to heal on the vortexes.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Like, who's that guy? Right, right, right. Who is this cross-section of humanity? Yeah. It's Kyrsten Sinema, probably. Yeah. To be honest. the vortexes like who's that guy right who is this cross-section of humanity yeah it's kirsten cinema probably yeah yeah libertarians have you been in the muir woods in mill valley no but i now and a lot of it obviously is named after him right yeah where is that daddy john muir mill valley up in the bay area no okay to do that. That'll be next on the list. I love it up there, man. Bay Area.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Yeah. You're overrated and underrated are sort of at cross purposes because I feel like a lot of the good park space in a lot of the cities around the country are golf courses. Right. That we need to invade and just claim as parks that that we can use this is i bring it up a lot it's from a malcolm gladwell podcast but it's like the one gladwell idea that i was like fuck yeah man he nailed it he's got it how much how many tax breaks are we giving these places what we're paying them to keep a apart like a bunch of the best land in the middle of the city as a private thing that we're not allowed to go into. Like, that's the deal that we got.
Starting point is 00:24:33 That's crazy. Yeah. But I won't tell your golf course buddies that you said that shit. I mean, I'll be honest. Look at me, dude. They know. They know I'm a mole yeah they can tell i the way i look out at the green i'm like you know we could really plant
Starting point is 00:24:51 some beautiful acorn bearing oak trees like shut up and hit what if we rewilded this space yeah i look like a guy who lived where they built the golf course, and I'm coming out, this is my land. Right, right. You can't put on pants goofy enough to make them trust you. They're like, oh, those are cool golf spikes, Kenny. What do you call those? Oh, those are Birkenstocks. Pretty standard.
Starting point is 00:25:17 I call them yuppie stompers. Get off my land. Do you even know whose ancestral land this is? Me, a white man. Emphasis on the H in white. White. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. In a galaxy far, far away.
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Starting point is 00:29:24 Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we just had a visit from Super Producer Ana Hosnia, and we got to talk a little bit. We're going to have to have her on at some point to talk
Starting point is 00:29:44 about what happened on the Bachelor premiere last night. Bachelorette. and we got to talk a little bit. We're going to have to have her on at some point to talk about what happened on the Bachelor premiere last night. Bachelorette? The Bachelorette premiere, sorry. A couple truly amazing introductions. One person who did the haunted house thing where you have your head poking through a table and it's on a plate.
Starting point is 00:30:04 But that was how he introduced himself. He had people wheel him up with his like poking through a table and it's like on a plate yeah but that was like how he introduced himself he had like people wheel him up with his head poking through like on a plate and like that was his bit but then he stayed that way for like the whole show just had people so you know making an impression that's how i met my wife doing a viral prank. are concerned that Walgreens is not keeping their margins where they need to be to hit their numbers this quarter. And that's basically the thrust of this story is that there's like a single video that is being basically weaponized by the Chamber of Commerce to, I don't know, And just gobbled up by media outlets because it fits in with the knockout game and other racists like fucking bullshit rings that are plaguing their facilities. And, you know, like you're saying, this thing, this one video sparked a whole ton of coverage like across the world, like South Africa, Mexico, South Korea, UK, like you name it,
Starting point is 00:31:38 people are like, whoa, okay, like this person just stole a bunch of stuff and just walked out of this Walgreens. And this journalist, Adam Johnson, who, you know, reports on a lot of stuff that's happening in the Bay Area, points out like there's just so many weird things about how people are talking about this story without really honestly looking at like why this might benefit someone else or the position Walgreens is actually in. walgreens is actually in like for starters he points out that this story where this like dude just you know was shoplifting at walgreens this story got over 474 000 percent more coverage than this article about walgreens admitting that they stole four and a half million dollars from its employees over several years through wage theft. This story has gotten way more pickup. And so the story where the victims are the readers, the people who are the public gets no attention,
Starting point is 00:32:32 but the one where the corporation is the victim of much smaller theft, that's the one that the New York Times and the Washington Post chooses to pick up. ABC, CBS, Yahoo, USA Today, Bloomberg, like every Sinclair broadcaster-owned affiliate station, Fox, like everyone. Now, also, in defense of the media, can't we all agree that if there's one thing this country has too few of,
Starting point is 00:33:00 it's Walgreens? Can we really afford to lose five or six Walgreens? Right. Absolutely not. We're going to be in Calgary. I'm glad you said something. Yeah. This is why we have
Starting point is 00:33:11 all kinds of guests on the show to bring balance to these conversations. Yeah. Thank you. Next thing you're going to tell me is they're going to start closing Starbucks.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And how many of those do we have left? Right. Right. Exactly. Then where has the war on Christmas gone? But with this situation, you know, a lot situation, he's just basically saying the basic, which is challenging other journalists or questioning is like, why isn't anyone bothering to ask further questions?
Starting point is 00:33:35 What is Walgreens' current financial situation? Is it purely because that there's been some shoplifting that these are the reasons why they're closing its stores? Or is it really because this is all part of a campaign to possibly oust a progressive DA that's in San Francisco or to possibly repeal something like Prop 30, Prop 47, which sets set higher limits for what is felonious theft? Because then if you repeal that wow then like things like you know traditional petty larceny might now arise to the level of a felony which
Starting point is 00:34:12 would be great because again all of these like crime stories typically will presage like a huge like tough on crime movement which ends up with black and brown people disproportionately in prison and so with this one he's pointing pointing out four major holes that people just aren't discussing around this story. The first is, if this crime wave is so bad, why aren't other big pharmacies also closing down? Because CVS hasn't said they're closing down and that they have this issue. They're operating in the exact same city. And what's going on there. Also Walgreens, they're closing more stores in New York city than they are in San Francisco. Not much attention to that, but because maybe they can't tie that to a viral video to give it this other narrative.
Starting point is 00:34:54 The second thing is Walgreens has openly said in their FEC or SEC filings that they are like since 2019, that they have a plan to like like, shut down numerous stores to, quote, optimize the other ones, which is really to offset $1.5 billion in real estate liabilities that they have. And they've been saying this since 2019, so this is nothing new. It can't just be the shoplifting, right? And we know certain things that, on that on paper statistically shoplifting has gone down in recent years in san francisco that's been sort of analyzed and the data is there but then when you ask the people who sort of defend this narrative they immediately say like well there's
Starting point is 00:35:36 a lot that's just been underreported to basically negate that talking point and make it reduce this fact to something that no one could ever know. And then you can keep the conversation going. It seems like this story is being underreported. You know, this viral video of somebody being good at shoplifting. Well, there's also like, there's just, it's become so obvious to me that, and this is on both sides of the media narrative. Media in general has figured out that fear is the number one way to keep your attention
Starting point is 00:36:06 and attention is their currency. So you have to be scared all the time because then they can be like, and we're the only source you can trust to help you navigate these choppy waters. Yeah. And dude, it's the same thing. Like I was talking to a friend of mine
Starting point is 00:36:23 who was in Portland for the pandemic. And I was like, dude dude it seems like it was crazy up there he was like not really dude it was like a small section of downtown and a very small number of these like idiots walking around he's like i barely noticed that i live close to downtown you know and like when i was living in chicago with the gun violence the gun violence was really bad but people would call me and be like, is it just gunshots all the time? I was like, no, dude. In fact, if you want to talk about the root cause of the gun violence, we can, but that's not what the media wants you to talk about. That's not why they're selling it. You know what I mean? They're selling it because it's a liberal city with tight gun laws and look at what's happening. We've gotten so bad at asking the next question.
Starting point is 00:37:07 And I think it's a social media thing, too. You feed people a headline, they maybe click on it to read the logline of the story, and then they move on. They go, ah, look at this. Right, exactly. And with this, too, he pointed out that an SFGate reporter actually bothered to go ahead and ask a follow-up question and not just taking their word as the gospel truth. And this is a quote, said, quote, when SFGate asked Walgreens to directly respond to charges from one of these people and others that the chain is weighing other considerations beyond retail theft, the spokesperson stopped returning emails. Hmm. Huh. Okay. Whatever. Take that for what it is. Sinks like shit still.
Starting point is 00:37:46 And then the other thing that he points out is Walgreens, Target, CVS. They're like part of a group of retailers that are worked very closely with lobbying groups like the California Real Retail Association and the California Chamber of Commerce, where those people have spent, those groups have spent millions trying to repeal Prop 47,
Starting point is 00:38:06 which would make, which create much harsher penalties for things like theft. And, you know, while it's not knowable, yet these corporations are almost certainly funding the efforts to recall the DA there, Boudin or Boudin,
Starting point is 00:38:21 who, you know, which is why they're like being, like, they're like, why isn't people, why aren't people talking about any of this other stuff? And I think what he's pointing out is saying that there's just always this status quo of, you know, always believe the corporation, you know, always believe what they say. And he, he, you know, he sort of presented a thought experiment. Imagine if a group of Black Lives Matter activists said that 90% of Black
Starting point is 00:38:46 customers get profiled when they enter a store at a Walgreens, the media would never take it like that. It would be like, well, you're going to have to show all these other things. You're going to have to show like, well, where did the evidence come from? Is there CCTV footage? There's many more hoops to jump through when people are just trying to, you know, not to say that that's a real stat, but just as an example, if activists bring up a point like that, then it immediately has to go through all these layers of vetting and things like, which is fine because that's journalism, but why, but it just, it just reeks of a double standard when you look at a story like that. Well, what's also crazy to me, man, is like so much of the conservative movement,
Starting point is 00:39:23 the modern conservative movement is rooted in conspiracy theory. But what's crazy is one conspiracy that is actually happening in real time is conservative media groups buying up local news channels and pushing this shit out. It's called the Carlisle Group. You can look it up. They did it last week tonight on it. it's called the carlisle group you can look it up you know they did it last week tonight on it and so that's what's so frustrating is it's like bad conspiracy theories are being weaponized to mobilize these people to be violent and for instance storm the capital and all this stuff but then there's actual conspiracies happening like what we're talking about now and conspiracy theorists are not the ones
Starting point is 00:40:05 that want to hear it or see it. It's so insane. It's like, and conspiracy theorists are always like, follow the money. And it's like, yeah, okay. Follow the money. Follow the money. And it's the thing that's especially frustrating here is that it's the New York Times and the Washington Post. You know, we covered last week a New York Times story about the rise in murders in a number of cities across the U.S. and they just took the police's word for it that it could be blamed on people protesting them murdering people. Like they're like, well, they were mean to us so we stopped you know we can't can't help it it's like the same thing they're trying to read they're trying to recall like
Starting point is 00:40:51 da's they're trying to like put pressure on people to like stop asking them to not murder people and it's it's the same shit here it's just like the every you have a argument between the right and basically like slightly right of center new york times like and that's all we're getting and it's really fucking frustrating right and not talking really about giving people some political context around these things to understand all the dimensions at play they just want to zoom in microscopically on this one part and like, well, that's true in a vacuum.
Starting point is 00:41:28 If you look at that piece there in just by itself, but if you're not giving people the full picture, then yeah, all these stories do is serve to undermine the very little bit of progress that was made through, you know, the uprisings and protests in the summer of 2020, and trying to bring back this idea of like, we need to get tough on crime and shit,
Starting point is 00:41:48 when the whole point about talking about things were how oppressive the legal system is, how it only disproportionately affects black and brown people, and that we need to be more aware of it. Yet stories like this are just like, no, no, no, man, they're stealing. And look at the people in the photos. Huh? You see something?
Starting point is 00:42:03 Do we need to do something? I don't know. Anyway. Dude, what's really crazy too is it's, I've been obsessed with this since the Black Lives Matter movement started. And I think liberals in general just have to get better at messaging and learning what conservatives or moderates actually care about. Like reforming policing to make it better for black and brown people would also make it better for cops. That's the part that's so frustrating is it's like you wouldn't be put in such dangerous situations. You know what I mean? Like the big talking point is always how dangerous it is to be a cop. Yes, it is. It is. It 100% is. And it's because a lot of reasons,
Starting point is 00:42:43 but one of them is you're being put in these situations for no reason. You're being sent into these neighborhoods armed to the teeth to go after a drug dealer when drugs shouldn't even be dealt with that way. You know what I mean? Reforming the system would be good for everybody involved. And that's the part that's so frustrating. But again, this is where the media comes into play the media does not profit off of a united populace the media does not profit off of all of us having common sense and realizing that things that are good for this side are also good for this side they can't have that because when we're fighting and when we're scared and when the left thinks there's this rising tide of nazis and when the right thinks everyone on the left is a gay communist that wants to convert their son,
Starting point is 00:43:27 then, then they win. And we're just all fighting each other and clicking on our articles all day being like, ah, what do I do to stop this? And it just creates this nonsense that we're dealing with constantly. It drives me truly insane.
Starting point is 00:43:40 It's a similar thing to like, we were talking about yesterday with Jesse waters when he just flip flopped on like paternity leave, you know, like it's a similar thing to like we were talking about yesterday with jesse waters when he just flip-flopped on like paternity leave you know like it's a it's a paternity leave is a policy that benefits it doesn't matter your political party or political identification it's it's just a policy and when he was benefiting from it he was like i love this he's like i used to mock people that took it now i love it i wish it was six weeks long then pete budaj is taking paternity leave and it immediately has to be like well fuck fuck paternity leave like look what happened to the country like this black chain is all fucked up i actually only took like two days
Starting point is 00:44:13 off because like i have my shit together and only like a weakling would you know actually take paternity leave it just shows that there's never an ability to say well you know like that that that actually tracks like that that that's that's a benefit that's that unfortunately that's a thing that overlaps between uh just a basic human need or right that i can look at as an objective good but it's that everything is not set up like that everything has to be completely put through this like opposite like mirror effect where everything has to be on the contrary yeah let's uh let's really briefly touch on uh we we do have uh yet more evidence that rudy giuliani is not drunk he is back at
Starting point is 00:44:54 it again posting to social media this time with a a filter that makes him look like a more elderly Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. And yeah, it's like, it's somewhat performance art. Cause he's again doing the only voice. It's the same voice he does for both Abraham Lincoln and the queen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Uh, somehow. And it's, yeah, I don't know. Okay. Should we just play a clip of it? We'll just play it. Yeah. I don't know. Should we just play a clip of it? We'll just play it.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Yeah, he's this time he's using his powers of drunkenness to try and affect. Acting. It's called acting. I'm sorry. Alleged alleged acting or whatever we're calling this to affect the voters who are have a decision to make for their governor in Virginia. Virginia, vote against the man who dishonored our past by selling my bedroom hundreds and hundreds of times to scoundrels in a pay-for-play scheme. In my time, we had a name for men who sold bedrooms for one night in your time the name is terry mccullough and the clinton flees once and for all he starts flipping into a bad british accent at the end there for some reason yeah no he does so what the fuck was that um thanks rudy you know a lot of people are like oh i think he's referring
Starting point is 00:46:27 this like totally debunked story about how when terry mccullough worked as like the head finance guy at the dnc that there was like the rumor that like for a certain amount you could sleep in the lincoln bedroom if you were a top donor and while he like the whole thing came out of him like writing about how to get closer to donors because like the whole thing came out of him like writing about how to get closer to donors because like the democrats had just lost the house and shit in the midterms like okay to prepare for the next presidential maybe bring more donors in be closer and someone not him wrote in the margins like sleepovers question mark and then that took on like his whole life of its own there were like hearings hearings about it, but it wasn't Terry McAuliffe.
Starting point is 00:47:06 I have anything to do with it aside from him authoring a paper that someone else scribbled something on. But even then, it's really not definitive. So that's what Rudy wants everyone to remember, I guess. We used to have a name for them. In your time, you call them Terry McAuliffe. We used to have a name for them. In your time, you called them Terry McAuliffe. It's just good writing, good performance,
Starting point is 00:47:31 good, like, just sort of rhythm to his delivery. People wonder why there's not more conservative comedians, but I mean, Jesus, there's, like, not even a bait and switch in that, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, like, set it up like a joke was coming. Yeah. I thought I was going to hear the name.
Starting point is 00:47:45 What did we used to call it, Abe? Come on. Give it to us, baby. Don't know. Oh, okay. Okay, cool, dude. We nailed it. Okay, I mean, speaking of conservative comedian,
Starting point is 00:48:00 Kenny, when is your set scheduled for Gutfeld? Oh. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't say that. When's your set scheduled for Gutfeld? Gutfeld!
Starting point is 00:48:12 Gutfeld! Exclamation point. There used to be a name for comedians that went on Gutfeld. Now we just call them Dennis Miller. Yeah. Yeah, babe. Apparently, the show's doing well. So one of these days, it's one of those things that I think we promised we were going to read the Bad Art Friends story and dig into that.
Starting point is 00:48:35 And we've also promised that one day we will watch an episode of Gutfeld and tell you what that is like. But that day is not today. No. No. We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. In a galaxy far, far away. No, babe, that's taken.
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Starting point is 00:52:56 And we're back. yeah so facebook has announced that they're i think in a week's time one week from today october 28th they are doing a facebook's big connect conference and mark zuckerberg may be announcing the new name for facebook oh because that's gonna that's gonna fix their problems yeah it it worked the first time when justin timberlake was like drop the the you know oh right just me and then facebook boom nothing but yeah what so i think that'll solve all of the problems that the human beings who interact with the social media platform are experiencing. It's just it's the name. That's the problem. My pitch. Drop the Facebook.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Just the. Oh, the.com. Yeah. The.com. People wouldn't really know what it was. The Holy Bible. maybe they could just change it to that yeah delamore edition yeah we could definitely use a little bit of that bible in this country i'll tell you i mean you're you're mouth to god's ear all right yeah that's a good setup
Starting point is 00:53:57 now let's get into the real story here jack the lack of christ in our children's educations across this land. Thank you. That's right. My status is Kenny is currently worried about the future of this pagan nation. My status is saved through Christ's salvation, and I hope you are as well. This would be like if Louis C.K. came
Starting point is 00:54:19 back and was like, I'm Louis OK now. And I'm A-OK. Really? I i mean it has that sort of tone deaf like confidence where it's like is that truly the solution that you think this this reminds me this is a true story this reminds me of when i was still uh still a drinker i went i got a dui and then my solution was to shave my beard off. Yeah. And I was like, the guy that got that DUI had a beard.
Starting point is 00:54:49 This is a new grass. This guy, this clean face would never do such a thing. One thing I noticed, dudes with beards, way more reckless. That's right. Says a lot. How about some clean Facebook? Right. Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Thank you. Although I don't know how well that would go over with the people who are on there doing their own research, since I think they tend to prefer kind of rough, neckbeard-ish things. Considering what Facebook is used for, they should just name it 8chan. Right. No, honestly. Just kind of merge it. Let's get right to it
Starting point is 00:55:25 yeah just just get ahead of everything let them know where you're at qanon.com yeah qanon hangout dot biz 8chan three months ago what is filtered down from 8chan three months ago old 8chan that's what it is the way back machine i don't um. I'm curious to know what that name is. And I'm really interested to know if I'm sure they've done some research where they think it could potentially sway some public opinion. But I'm hoping that people realize that this can't be seen as any sort of positive action from Facebook that the pressure is still on. But I don't know. Maybe they think that's what it is like maybe they'll get confused i mean okay we don't have the bandwidth to follow
Starting point is 00:56:12 everything so i do feel like they're just counting on us to like forget and be like oh what's this new thing you know like i don't know first also not to get sincere here but but you've got to replace Zuckerberg if you want to have a chance. He's got it. You've got to just bring in a new guy, preferably a new not guy, a new anything but guy. Just get someone new in there. That's your rebrand. That's who we hate.
Starting point is 00:56:41 It doesn't matter what Zuckerberg calls it. You're still the guy that stole this so you could rate women that wouldn't sleep with you. That's still what this is. Until you're gone, that's what this is. Right. Yeah. Well, that's why I've announced the new CEO,
Starting point is 00:56:56 Zach Mecklenburg. You're going to love this guy. Let me go get him. One second. Zach, are you there? Yes, I am. Oh, here he is. Folks like that. but to your point kenny like that people don't have the bandwidth could you imagine we're having this discussion like in two years when they're like i can't believe fun spot is is
Starting point is 00:57:17 responsible for all this conspiracy theory stuff that's going on you're like y'all it's fucking facebook still what fun spot is actually pretty good that's the best you're like y'all it's fucking facebook still what are fun spot is actually pretty good that's the best pitch i've heard so far it's like because it's meant to be like what's the least uh you know the most is just innocent sounding thing but i but i get it some people probably will fully erase their mind i think it's a new brand and be like the problems are the same i think in two years we're gonna be like do you think fun spot got pat sajak elected president oh man yeah the articles from yeah we'll see maggie haberman being like think about it folks look i think he might be too mean to some of the people on wheel of fortune but god damn do i respect his politics
Starting point is 00:58:05 i'm just worried he's gonna make the country go bankrupt hey there he is and i mean and plus his spin the wheel at the border option for immigration i think it's really really novel and it takes a lot out of like the sort of pain of trying to determine someone's future and you leave it to a randomized wheel that we've waited to actually goose the results but anyway don't tell them that the question is is he going to weather the pay-to-play scandal from his buy a vowel program i mean let's just stay with this come on there's there's got to be more there yeah apparently this is all part of that. You might remember a couple of months ago when Zuckerberg was like, we're not actually a social media company.
Starting point is 00:58:50 We're a metaverse company. Yeah. And, uh, apparently that is, it's going to have something to do with the metaverse. Like, I hope it's really,
Starting point is 00:58:58 you know, ill thought out. And it's basically like the matrix or something like, right. Because that, yeah. It's not the article. I i was like are you going to explain what metaverse is are you going to say that yeah okay online man hope you bought your real estate in the metaverse because when we start doing digital events man you're going to want to own the guggenheim in the metaverse because think about that if jay-z drops his nft at the metaverse opening at the
Starting point is 00:59:25 guggenheim and you own that that's a lot of dough coming to you bro that's a lot of dough dude man before today we're talking about though people are buying metaverse real estate oh i know and you're just like what are you fucking what maybe this is good though i was thinking about this like social media is bad we i think we can agree but it does keep people in their house on their computer that probably should not be out in society like if you're willing to buy property in the metaverse please by god get addicted to your computer and stop going outside like right please just like stay in grubhub all your meals. And just, if you're that person, please, by all means. That is the metaverse, pretty much.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Yeah. You stay indoors, you grubhub, you're buying your digital real estate. And you're just crushing it, man. You're just crushing it, dude. The number one growth industry in the United States these days is actually just money laundering. Just finding places for rich people to launder money. And then, like, convincing everybody else that else that like it's a good investment it's really something it's cool right i think you're gonna say cool it's cool it's hopeful it's hopeful
Starting point is 01:00:36 yeah it's really made me believe again yeah that's what i yeah yeah that but that's honestly like hearing some people talking about nfts like and be just like so fucking hopeful they're just like no man it's really like the way like this is gonna actually solve all our problems because we're gonna know it's like uh-huh well yeah and well that's uh there's so many things like with just even like the idea of that something could be decentralized like that because everything you're looking at is just being centralized in other places so there's a lot a lot to unpack there and because everything you're looking at is just being centralized in other places. So there's a lot to unpack there.
Starting point is 01:01:08 And yeah, like you're saying, the number one, like the big uses of it, especially as like a lot of people like sort of track some of these transactions, like these just seem like just straight money laundering. Without a doubt. That's what I was like trying to get into crypto. And I was like, but wait a minute, if one Bitcoin is $30,000,
Starting point is 01:01:24 this is never going to be an actual currency because no one's going to give you a bitcoin i would never buy anything with a bitcoin because the value fluctuates like crazy like so this is really just another thing you can hide your money like you were saying you can just it's another thing you can invest in but it isn't yeah i don't know currency well and also the people that like stand to gain the most too are like people who are have got in really early and then can influence other people to get in to start driving the price up and then when you know it's it's it there's a lot i mean definitely not a pyramid scheme though i don't know what you're suggesting here no no no definitely not definitely not but it's definitely one of those things where it's it's it's a it offers people
Starting point is 01:02:08 this idea that you can get rich very quickly and some have but that's just it's just enough of that to allow many people to get like super duper invested or completely over leverage themselves and the decentralized thing is cool like it's like got a cool idea at the core of it that like could be used for good but that's not happening in modern america yeah well that's the thing is it's like if it ever gets to a point where it could do that it'll just become regulated right yeah i mean that's the problem it's like i love the concept when i first read about bitcoin i was like fuck yeah power to the. You know, keep the banks out of it. But if it actually starts to work, it will just become regulated and driven underground.
Starting point is 01:02:51 And then the only people using it will be using it to like hire hitmen and buy drugs and hookers. You know what I mean? Right. That's just what happens. If it's actually going to help people, it will be regulated out post-haste. Right. Exactly. Like, whoa, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:03:04 That's helping people no no no we're off this shit completely but guys we do need to uh talk about peacocktober before uh we let you go uh that's not crypto people october it's peacocktober oh is the it's the streaming service Peacock and they have given us Peacocktober and it's it's a horror thing and they released Halloween Kills on it over the weekend it did Bofo BO you guys Bofo and so that's that's good I always like when movies do well there's like a weird kind of political conversation happening around it because the well first of all so this is part of a trilogy the next one's called halloween ends and according to david gordon green who directed this trilogy and is like but the vice principal is an eastbound and down guy and super talented uh but this net the
Starting point is 01:04:03 next movie will flash forward to modern times and actually incorporate the pandemic and all those politics. And like, there's just been like all these political, like Jamie Lee Curtis keeps talking about how the first Halloween was about trauma and the Black Lives Matter movement and the Me Too movement.
Starting point is 01:04:22 And it's like, it could be, could be you know movies are complicated they're definitely about the cultures in which they are like created and like get a lot of engagement from the people watching them but like trying to prescribe that on there is just very you know she keeps talking about how like there was an element of civil unrest in there, just like we're having right now. But that equates, first of all, she talks about it like being about police misconduct. The scene she's referring to is when one cop accidentally shoots and kills his partner while trying to take down Michael Myers. So not exactly the most scathing indictment of modern policing and the angry mob that i'm assuming because she was making the statement before january 6th like during the black lives matter movement so the angry mob that she is likening the black lives matter movement to like corner a guy who is not actually michael myers and he ends up committing suicide as a result. So, like, that comparison's actually pretty fucked up and insulting. But, like, then there's also this thing where the right wing is, like, jumping on it
Starting point is 01:05:32 and being like, well, Jamie Lee Curtis' character is a gun nut, and so she's, like, actually proved that you need to be a gun nut. Good lady with a gun. Yeah, lady with a gun. Michael Myers is able to come back and start killing people again because they've done away with capital punishment. Literally. Because the Walgreens are getting ransacked in San Francisco. Michael Myers has come back.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Yeah, Michael Myers couldn't find a Walgreens to buy a new hockey mask and it filled him with rage. He had no place to put that rage. And because he couldn't find affordable therapy, which is also a theme of this movie, a man will literally put on a hockey mask and murder people instead of going to therapy.
Starting point is 01:06:17 That's actually Shatner mask. That's actually what I just said true. So, you know, therapy. Michael Myers escapes as the inadvertent result of meddling by opportunistic journalists so which i don't know that seems are they taking that like mistaken identity one two to be like uh like cancel culture you know where they they they found the wrong guy where the angry mob went after the wrong guy. Yeah. It actually did remind me of that documentary, Don't Fuck With Cats.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Sure. Have you seen that? Absolutely. That is definitely a thing that happens on the internet. Like there's a guy that everybody thought was the Boston Marathon bomber. And it ended up being just a guy who was missing and ended up like was found dead.
Starting point is 01:07:04 But everyone was like get him take him down and he was not the right guy and you know that sort of internet vigilantism is very bad but like to it's just i feel like anytime you're talking about a movie that you're making being like this is actually about bigger things and actually specifically about this very important news story that like i probably shouldn't be touching or even talking about because i'm just a you know actor right totally okay so she likened that scene specifically black lives matter well that's insane you don't want to paint that as a frothing mob going after wrong people.
Starting point is 01:07:52 And she also said it was actually a better document than an actual documentary when it comes to documenting trauma. So, hmm. Interesting vehicle to make those points. Yeah. Also, like, not everything has to mean something greater now. Like, honestly, we are in much need of just a dumb fucking movie about a guy with a knife and everybody trying to escape that guy. Like, I am so hungry for a movie that there's no discussion afterwards.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Like, I'm so tired of reading, let's have a discussion about this. I don't want to have a discussion about this. I want to watch a movie that we can all enjoy and try to not kill each other in the streets. That's what I want. Just a dumb, fluffy movie. Please, for the love of God.
Starting point is 01:08:30 And I think that's kind of what people were responding to and enjoying about it. It's called Halloween Kills. Right. And apparently it's just a bunch of really cool kills of Michael Myers killing a bunch of people. But then there's also these random random like kind of meaningful cultural commentaries thrown in but they just like don't kind of tie together which is fine just i don't know it's like look art is supposed to comment on things i get it but it's just like we're so oversaturated with hot takes and think pieces and it's just like it's it's exhausting at some point yeah it'd be great if someone has like a film
Starting point is 01:09:06 that's like so like just kind of vague but allows people to just sort of project all kinds of meaning on to be like this is amazing just for the director to be like nah dude it's it's literally about this dog who like fell out of a van we literally just filmed a dog and uh he didn't take any direction no matter how hard we tried we just followed this dog around are you guys fucking serious it's a 90 minute shot of a dog like going through trash and shit in central park that's all it fucking is and i was more of an experiment on my end to see where the fuck y'all would take it because it's just a shot of a fucking dog let's see where the dog digging through the trash, man?
Starting point is 01:09:46 Pause right there. Pause right there. Look, you can see an old Jet magazine peeking through this garbage bag. Now, what's that saying about the decline of black America? Do you see how his left ear sticks up and his right ear flops? That's about the surge of leftist politics plaguing America right now as the right buckles and falls and what about when he's humping that uh build a bear that's all dirty i can lead you to water i can't make you do it you know like that's it's it's right there for
Starting point is 01:10:17 you yeah okay now i thought you understood the assignment kenny it's been such a pleasure having you uh where can people find you and follow you? I'm at Kenny DeForest on all social media. The big thing I would encourage you to do right now is subscribe to my YouTube channel because I'm starting. I had an album that was referenced at the beginning that came out. My buddy filmed it and we thought the footage was permanently messed up and he actually recovered it over the pandemic. So I've been slowly releasing clips from my album taping that was intended to be a YouTube special. And now actually might come to fruition. So subscribe to my YouTube channel. And then if you want to see me live, go to my
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Starting point is 01:11:22 You know, listen, if there's one thing I've learned, I'm in the data selling game, baby. That's where the money's at. That's where the money is at. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Man, I'm going to, you know, usually when I do these on this show, I try to shout out somebody who's maybe not already super famous, but Conan O'Brien really got me the other day. and he just said uh i did not realize that bottomless mimosas was describing the deal and not the dress code my apologies to everyone at this airport the goat miles where can people find you what's the tweet you've been enjoying man you can find me on
Starting point is 01:12:05 Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray and also the other show 420 day fiance we're talking 90 day fiance in an elevated way with Sophie Alexandra so come through for that that's always a good time a tweet that I like I like two tweets let me rattle
Starting point is 01:12:21 them off the first one is from at J pound sign just said acid reflux is a choice. IBS is a choice. Pray more. Hustle more. That mentality. I feel it sounds like something that someone would actually say in a
Starting point is 01:12:37 TikTok video. Rise and grind, bro. Spooky cold Fox at roast Malone underscore tweeted. All dogs have their name and like 20 nicknames that started as variations of their name, but then spiraled out of control. And that is so true. I just think of all the, especially with my cats too,
Starting point is 01:12:55 like I call one cat Chicken and the other one Turkey, but their name, one of them is Tiny and the other one is called Bergy. Anyway, that's been my TED Talk. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Shauna at Golden Gate Blonde tweeted this Wall Street Journal news alert. This is how you'll cook salmon from now on. And she tweeted, why did I just read this in Liam Neeson's voice?
Starting point is 01:13:23 This is how you'll cook salmon from now on just love a strong liam neeson voice oh and then ariana rebelini tweeted thinking about the time i drunkenly spilled an entire bowl of soup on my new macbook and then tried to tell the apple store it just broke out of nowhere and then the guy had to look me in the eye and say, we opened it up and there's just so much soup in here. Like chunks of carrots. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
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Starting point is 01:14:23 Ow. Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow. Ow. out there you know that song everybody everybody ow so this is a remix from uh dj newmark you might know him from a little group called jurassic vibe and just as a just a wonderful dj producer as well as the bacow rhythm and steel uh steel drum band they kind of do covers of like modern stuff but together they are doing a cover of everybody everybody but with this like steel drum kind of like vibe so it's like way more aggressive but it's just i don't know it's fun to shit to listen to so enjoy this one it's everybody everybody dj newmark and the bacal rhythm and steel band
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