The Daily Zeitgeist - REAL ID Fake? Cybertruck Flops Even Harder 05.07.25

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

In episode 1860, Jack and guest co-host Andrew Ti are joined by host of Worse Than You, Mo Fry Pasic, to discuss…REAL ID Isn’t Real, Cyber Trucks Just Totally Stop Selling, This AI Expert Thinks The AI Bubble’s About to Pop and more! What you need to know about the REAL ID requirements for air travel The Racist Origins of the Real ID Act Top Trump agency reveals key reason why REAL ID will be enforced 'Mass surveillance': Conservatives sound alarm over Trump admin's REAL ID rollout Trump’s Insistence on Real ID Has Become a Flashpoint for His Tinfoil Hat Fans You can get a free Krispy Kreme doughnut on May 7 for Real ID deadline: Here's how Homeland Security chief says travelers with no REAL ID can fly for now, but with likely extra steps Flying out of Indianapolis without REAL ID? Don't fret — the airport isn't turning people away Tesla’s Inventory of Unsold Cybertrucks Skyrockets, Despite Offering $10K Discounts and Concealing Listings The Silicon Valley sceptic warning tech’s new bubble is about to burst Deep Learning Is Hitting a Wall Microsoft’s £2.5bn investment in Britain at risk from creaking power grid Chess helped me win the Nobel Prize, says Google’s AI genius OpenAI overrode concerns of expert testers to release sycophantic GPT-4o The next British boom could be in the offing – if Starmer abandons net zero Finance worker pays out $25 million after video call with deepfake ‘chief financial officer’ LISTEN: Indeed by CruzaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Glad I wore the sickest shirt I own. Of all time. Ch-ch-ch-chip and Dale. Daffy ring. I'm also on my dark wing duck. Oh shit. Dark wing? Wow.

He's not quite daffy, he's missing it. He's missing it a little bit, but it's right there, yeah. He's gotta be daffy. He tried to. He tried to. He went all the way around. All the dabbing. Yeah, he tried to. All the way. All the way. You kids have fun.

I'm not wearing shit. I'm wearing a black tee. Oh, man. Like I'm from New Jersey or something. Do you have any Disney merch at all? Beat up the beat, beat, beat. Uh, yeah, man. I got a... That's Disney merch right there. Oh, yeah.

A Trooper helmet. Boom. A First Order Trooper helmet. Boom. A first order trooper. First order. You're in it. Scorum Trooper helmet of the first order. No good, no good reason.

How the New Yorker writes about things. Right. That's like, that's a headline from like Coruscant's version of the New Yorker writes about things. Yeah. Right. That's a headline from like Coruscant's version of the New Yorker. Right. Like the Coruscant-er and it's just like, whoa, whoa. They call themselves the first order. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Hi it's Emily Tish Sussman, host of the podcast She Pivots. In honor of Mother's Day, we have some very special guests. I'm Elaine Welteroth.

And I'm Caitlin Murray. Both women pivoted out of their careers after having their kids, proving that motherhood is just another chapter in our journey, not the end. Come on over to hear their full stories. You can listen to She Pivots on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 387, episode of Dirt Haley's Ike Geist. Yes.

Yes. It's a production of I Heart Radio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Yes. It's Thursday, May 8th, 2025, our first full day in the new Real ID regime. I hope everybody's hanging in there. We're actually gonna talk about this new Real ID world because the deadline that they kept pushing back

finally came for all of our asses yesterday. May 7th was the Real ID judgment day. Anyways, May 7th. God. It was a real, real ID, real ID judgment day. Anyways, we'll get to that. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined in our second seat by a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer. You know him from the Yo Is This Racist podcast. It's Andrew T. I want to stay for the record,

this one looks better on paper than it is going to sound. OK. With something bad in the takes per hood. Who you gonna call? It's worse, it gets worse. Zyte Trusters. Oh no. When the beef is weird and the memes look good.

Who you gonna call? Zyke trust and this is the worst of it. It gets worse. Damn. I ain't afraid to know hosts. Okay. Yeah I've been afraid of minutes ago. I ain't afraid to know host or no host. No post. Oh host would be better listen we're workshopping this I I got inspired by Zyke trusters and Boy did I lost faith in it as soon as we logged you know what it means, but I do like I like that You went for it very stupid. I'm so sorry that Appropriately stupid Andrew how are you doing? It's great to have you here

fucking great, man You're wearing your Chippendale t-shirt You're wearing your Chippendale t-shirt. Chippendale t. And they are... What are they doing on that t-shirt? This is my favorite shirt. It is Chippendale Dabbing. My only regret with this shirt.

I got this. This is a real shirt. Official Disney merch. I got it. Who is it? Yeah, this is real. This is from when I was working on a show that was shooting on the Disney lot. And for some reason, they gave us the employee discount

at the Disney store on the lot, and this was already in like the, this is so clearly again, it's Chippendale Dabbing for anyone that's not, if we're even seeing video, and this was in obviously like the fucking clearance bin, and it just struck me as the sort of thing that went right off the printing press

in the fucking evil t-shirt factory straight into the clearance Like a shelf life of it was relevant while it was flying in the air between The end of the factory of the clearance pulled the clearance bin directly up. Yeah t-shirt shoot My biggest regret is not buying the whole stack Just like as a gift. Yeah. You give out to people from now on.

Yeah. I love it. That is a timeless classic. They fucked up by putting that in the clearance bin. That thing rules. What year was that? 2019 is when I bought this shirt, presumably from the, like... Dabbing was a thing in when?

Like, early teens? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mid, maybe. I, again, I would, I, this went from boss, I have a great idea to clearance bin in the shortest possible amount of time. Whatever that time is. Hey, hey, boss, yeah, yeah.

I got a great idea. So Chip and Dale. Yeah. Every time I go to Disneyland, I try to find Chip and or Dale and ask them to dab with this as evidence that this is a thing that their characters do. Yeah. And they have never once done it. Supervisor Victor has informed us that dabbing became popular in the year 2015.

Yeah. I'm assuming you got that information from became popular in the year 2015. I'm assuming you got that information from me. Straight to the trash. Anyway, this is my straight to the trash. You did put an M dash in the middle, so I have to assume it came from AI. Andrew, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious comedian, actor, writer. Came up in the New York Improv and Theater Scenes,

now in Los Angeles. Had some nice reviews in regional publications like The New Yorker, ever heard of it, who called their acting virtuosic. The New York Times called them relentless. They have a new podcast, worse than you. Please welcome to the show, Mo Fry Pasek. Hi. podcast worse than you, please welcome to the show, Mo Fry Pasek. Hi. Yes.

Hello. What's going on? How are you all? This is so fun. I also forget when you send in bios, it's like you forget when they're going to be read aloud and you just have to have to sit there. And it's like humiliating. Be embarrassed. I don't know. Anytime there's a New Yorker rave about somebody on our show, that is the most meaningful thing to me. It's a calling card for sure.

I'm not shy about that. It's like I could probably get bigger awards and there's certain ones that you're just like, but did you hear? I don't know if you've heard of a New Yorker. I also like to call the New Yorker a regional publication. It's not not. It's not not. Also, do you guys remember when it was at Paul Ryan's like stepson or like nephew dabbed in front of like the Bible or something like over the Bible in like 2016? Oh yeah.

Lord I show you the ultimate respect. Yes. I also wish that you had like no one's really cornered the market on a niche Steve Jobs outfit. Because like that's like a sort of innocuous just black tea and jeans. But someone to have every single day to wear a Chippendale dabbing shirt would be so good. Yeah. I assumed you were going to get the whole clearance bin just for it to like give out as gifts.

But yeah, that's probably the better option is just you have a closet that every single day. Yeah, it's hanging. Yeah, yeah, just a series of chipping down dabbing. I fuck up so hard. My life could be so much better. It could. Efficient. Oh man, what a shirt. And by the way, Andrew joined the record and showed us his awesome shirt. And then Super Producer Justin had a Darkwing Duck t-shirt on. So that's the vibe.

That's who we are. I got to go find some Scrooge McDuck material. I'm like, what are we doing here? I'm trying to think of what I was watching around that time after school, because I definitely, like way too late late in life was watching Darkwing Duck, Chip and Dale, Rescue Rangers. I think there was probably another cartoon. I don't think Gargoyles was still on.

Then like Conan reruns for some reason I think came on right after that. So I associate Conan, like early Conan with that time. What a time to be alive. Syndication, the business model that made weird kids. I watched so much Sanford and Sons at like three, and it's like, thanks for a really weird little white girl. Yeah.

All right, Mo, we are thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things that we're going to be talking about later, a couple of news stories that are in the zeitgeist. Obviously, the real ID is in the zeitgeist. So we're going to talk about the history of this real ID act where it's like we need to make sure that our IDs are even realer, unfakable, unfuckwithable. And it's terrible.

The history is terrible of just like ID in America of this particular, uh, the real ID act. It was passed back in 2005. See if you can guess what was going on back then. And then we're going to talk about, uh, how it's like not even real. Is that you don't actually, you don't actually need a real ID to travel. Apparently. Oh God.

Yeah. So we'll talk about that. Talk about my favorite news story I've read this week, which is Tesla's inventory of unsold cyber trucks, skyrockets, despite offering huge discounts. I just, this article just made me happy. Like in a way, just like the hater, my inner hater. I'm just like, fuck yeah. Oh yeah. Sarah Rumpf from Mediaite,

just write it directly into my veins. Shoot it. It really is. It's delightful. Everything about this, it goes from grin to grin as you guys read. CyberTruck people also want to be combative and want you to hate them. But I'm like, no, it's just like Sean and Freud. I'm so embarrassed for you guys read. Like, CyberTruck people also want to be combative and want you to hate them, but I'm like, no, it's just like Sean and Freud. Like, I'm so embarrassed for you guys. I know.

Yeah. Oh, and it's just so conspicuous. It doesn't look like anything else. Like, I just, I can hear a dumb horn playing in my head, like a dumb... Yeah, like... Every time it's driving down the street, I'm just like, oh you look like shit

I don't know if it's it was on this podcast But I did find the ideal I did see the ideal use for a cyber truck in Echo Park Which was there's one in my neighborhood ish couple blocks away That is wrapped in a vinyl wrap promotion for a vape juice store That was the perfect use of a Cybertruck I've ever seen. That is the final form of the Cybertruck. I feel like that's radioactive. Don't touch that truck.

Oh yeah. Oh my God. No, everything does wilt in its wake, but it is delightful to see. There's one in my neighborhood that is, I think it's in my neighborhood. I see it all the time and it's got a, it's covered in a shadow from Sonic 3, like the character shadow from Sonic 3, like decal. Fuck yeah. It was just like, again, it's like, that's kind of,

like it should be designed like you- It should come with that. It should look, it's custom, it's stock paint job should be animated. Can you tell these people they can put that on a Honda? It's like, why are you paying this much money? Right. And like, am I most generous?

I'm like, sure, car shapes and colors have been so homogenized and that's terrifying. Most generously, I can say, you want to stand up. Again, put that decal on a Honda. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. They just, the timing wasn't great for them. They had it on back order, they were ordering their cyber trucks and then the guy came out and gave,

went full strange love on the global media center stage, just full Nazi salute. You got to feel for them, not at all. You do not. You do not. You don't have to feel for them. You do have to feel something. I do.

And we'll figure out what we're feeling later. And we'll talk about AI if we get to it. There's an expert who thinks, who's like talking about, he used to be Uber's head of AI, so he has all the bona fides of being like a shitty AI dude. Yeah. And everything he says about AI makes sense. He's like, this bubble's about to pop, like this whole thing is a disaster.

And it all just like makes sense. He's like, it's good at mimicry and that's it. It's not good at the things it claims to be good at. And it's like actually not getting better. It's actually getting worse as they continue to develop it down this road. So maybe we'll talk about that. Plenty more. But first, Mo, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history

that's revealing about who you are? Okay. Well, here's my thing. I'm a Googler. That's what I'll say. We'll just start there. Like anything I, if I have a thought, I'm 800 Googles in. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. So already, I'm going to tell you that I had to go on my extra history to find it because I delete everything on Google. Yeah. That's right. Hide the evidence. I know I'm not hiding anything. I know the data is tracked, but emotionally it feels better to just like, no one knows.

I wrote it down. Oh, I had a couple of good ones. I had- By the way, if you're a person who likes to go from thought to Google really quickly, Elon Musk has a new product that you're going to love. Oh, yeah. It's beta. It's in my brain right now.

Oh, you have it already. Oh, congratulations. Amazing. Thank you. Absolutely. My two ones I think that are most revealing were one, what essential oils smell like leather? Because I really like this one perfume, but it's not non-toxic and it's really expensive. It's not non-toxic.

Yup, yup. Much toxic. It's not toxic. It's not non-toxic. It's not non-toxic. Yup, yup. Much toxic. It's not toxic. It's not non-toxic. It's not non-toxic. My favorite Indian restaurant back in Madison says on the window, excellent vegetarian and non-vegetarian food.

There you go. Non-vegetarian food. It is covering the bases. Yes. So you like a perfume that smells like leather, a scent that smells like leather that is toxic. And so you're wondering if you can mimic it via essential oil. Yes, exactly. And then my other Google I thought was revealing was symptoms of hepatitis A because I saw there was an outbreak in LA and it's it's

like I think it's like fecal and oral transmission and everyone's nasty so I was kind of like oh god I have to be ready like we'll have to look for in symptoms in myself and others oh no hell yeah hey I can't I can't keep track about the heps what's hepa is fecal? It's like... Hep A is, I think, the food one, if I recall. It is. But the other... The craziest hepatitis that I dodged one time was there's a place in kind of like South LA that serves blood clam ceviche. And I did not know at the time that blood clam, the little blood part of the blood clam,

is close enough to human blood that hepatitis C could live in it. Oh, oh, my God. I mean, Andrew, I got to say this would be one of those situations. But if if you had got it that way, I would have been like, hey, man, like on the one hand, I love you. On the other hand, like you ate something called blood clam ceviche. Yeah. Yeah.

They also serve them on the half shell. And was it delicious? I wouldn't be I'm a pretty like just fucking do it either. It was a little much for me. It mostly tastes like a big old it's right in the name. Blood, blood and clams dogs. Does it taste medley? Yeah. Yeah. It's got that like name. Malfur blood? Blood and clams, dogs. Does it taste medley? Yeah.

Yeah, it's got that like, tinny. It's that iron. I mean, it's like a proto-hemoglobin sack. It's the thing. It is like the miracle of evolution, where you're like, oh, this is when it was clam, and then probably this became blood. That's fucking, anyway, sorry for interrupting.

That's not sorry at all. We used to be clams. Yeah, we was clams. Is that how they described it to you when they were like, and this has a hemoglobin sack mouth feel. This was a Wikipedia. Yeah, yeah. This is after you're like, maybe I have hep C.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you gotta do some wild shit to feel alive these days. So why not? And feel dead. And feel dead. And then actually be dead. So important.

Anyways, well, we hope the Googling on the symptoms of hep A, any surprising symptoms there? Is that the one that turned your eyes yellow? Yeah, because it's a liver disease, so it's jaundiced. Here's the tough part, though. It kind of like plays out on its own and I feel like there's such like a prevalence of liver issues Just in like our generation because of toxic load that I'm kind of like, I will it play out like Just kind of it mixed in with you all the other shit and then it's it's part of a balance rather than a disease on its Own say that that's probably not true.

Do not take my medical advice. I trust you. No, that's what we're here for. I'm not only not a doctor, I'm the opposite of a doctor, whatever that is. Vibes-based medicine is what we practice here. Mo, what is something you think's underrated? Oh, non-lucrative hobbies. Non-lucrative hobbies, love it.

Yeah, hugely underrated. There was a injured baby hummingbird in my backyard last week. Oh wow. And I texted this woman who like runs a hummingbird sanctuary and she happened to have a woman who volunteers for her that was near my apartment. And it was like, I go to her place and it's her hobby. She has a full-time job,

but she just like rehabilitates little hummingbirds in her house and it's not like she's doing it on the Gram she's not doing it she just really enjoys it it was awesome how's she coming across that all right sorry my brain just went to like a dark place where it's like she's injuring those fucking hummingbirds Oh and Munchausen's by yeah yeah how do you find so many injured hummingbirds? Can I tell you, I mean, the little guy is a little barreling through the air like a snitch. I know, that's true.

I'm just like, I love hummingbirds. I notice hummingbirds and I've never seen an injured one. But I mean, you found one. So there you go. My mind went straight to like the hummingbird version of like a World War I like battle hospital. So like a little like Hummingbird crutch under one arm and a teeny tiny Hummingbird cigarette out of the end of the pack. Oh, of course. Flashbacks.

I love Hummingbirds so much. They just seem to be little droplets of something operating at a different time-space continuum than the rest of us. That thing is moving like a fucking UFO. There's no way that makes sense. They're so remarkable. And then you look at the weight of their little barrel chests and you go, how? Yeah. Why are you so proud with What are you doing? What? This little one, can I talk about pride? This little one, it was like a baby, it had fallen from its nest. And the way it looked at me when I was like holding it, it was like, hey, let me down.

This is humiliating. And it was like, they're so proud. It was crazy. Let me at them. Let me at them. You wasn't so tall. Oh, you think you're so cool. What?

It really was. How big is a baby hummingbird? Like fingertips? Oh, you think you're so cool. It really was. How big is a baby Humminbird? Like fingertip? Um, like bizarrely, it was like about this big. Oh my God. Like maybe an inch around. Yeah, inch around. Wow.

I love this. That is amazing. And I do think we need to bury ourselves in non-lucrative hobbies. I've, I've been talking about the trends in mundane, like people doing mundane shit just for the sake of doing mundane stuff on like TikTok. The video I keep coming back to is like these people who made chocolate chip cookies, but without using their hands, they just used the trash grabber things.

See, this is dumb middle school shit that rules. Exactly. It's just like that. I feel like we need that right now. Just like any cut off from any ideological content and just like the stuff that people used to do and like when they stuffed themselves into fucking phone booths and like sat on flagpoles for days at a time. My friends and I, it was before the garage door opener sensor,

was that we'd try and roll under it like Yadina Jones. Oh, hell yeah. It's so dangerous, but it was the best. We spent hours just trying to roll under it. I broke my friend's garage door that way when I was five. You're sort of talking about what you want is like, if there was a way to make a fraternity that was not wildly misogynist.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think there are like some things that we can take from them. Like just pick around the misogyny, you know? And there's like delicious little bites in there that you can take. Those bites are 16 goldfish.

They make you drink and eat on fresh. Yeah, that one's still mean to goldfish, but I bet there's like some non-mean stuff. Real quick, just speaking of chocolate chip cookies, I just want to tell you guys about a product that I had recently. I visited my sister in Atlanta and she had cinnamon chips, which was, I mean, ultimately it was cocoa butter, sugar and cinnamon, but they were the best thing I've ever had in a pancake. Holy fuck.

Oh, pancake. Yeah. Can I tell you, I'm actually huge on a cinnamon chip because to me it is the epitome of a 90s coffee house is a cinnamon chip scone. Yeah. Did you, I had never heard of, is this a thing that you knew about?

I was shocked to see this. It's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch. It's been, but it was like, I think all the Barnes and Nobles Starbucks hat still Okay, but it's it's not popular and it's good. It's really good. It is mostly cocoa oil or palm oil or whatever No problem, what is something Moe that you think is overrated keeping in touch Your mouth to God's ears.

I am so bad at this. I hate it too. It's also so overrated because to me, texting, keeping in touch, there isn't depth to it. And so it kind of feels like a performance. I'm like, what's up? You doing good? Okay, well, let's get in touch. I go, I love you.

You love me. I'll see you when I see ya. If you need me, reach out, I'll reach out if I need ya. The whole, no, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it. Like a good, leave it for like an annual nice conversation. As opposed to a, hey, just checking in, all right, good. Like you already know what you want the answer to be as you're checking in and you want it to be short. And it's specific. It's not like emotional check.

It's specifically the check-ins because you feel like you should, because you care about that person. So you're giving that signal and it's like, no, cut them out. Yeah. They know you love them. They should know if they love you, they would know. Okay. I love it. We're getting a little toxic. I love them. Yeah. They should know. If they love you, they would know. Okay. I love it.

We're getting a little toxic. I love this. Actually, it's your fault that I don't check in on you. My core group of friends from high school, I believe four of us have birthdays a week apart and by the time it's time to text the fourth person, it's very tiresome because I am out of shit to say. And we have already talked three times. He's been dealing with this since he was 40. That's so funny.

Yeah. The last dude on the block is like, I already said happy birthday to you early twice. Get the fuck out of here. Right. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

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You can listen to She Pivots on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And I mean, I gotta ask the group, how are we doing on our real IDs, folks? Mo, Andrew, are you real ID'd up? I, let me just make one comment to you, Jack. Yeah.

I feel like it's more like real IDs nuts. Thank you. There you go. I do appreciate it. Just dabbed like the chipmunks on a t-shirt. Well done. I think I have mine. I don't know. I had to get my license for Renewed last year, so that's it, right? That's exactly how I feel. I think I have mine.

I got it renewed. I don't know if I said yes. Right. Yeah. Fuck. I don't have mine. So this story should be read in the context that I'm just mad that real IDs are a thing and that I haven't done it yet, but I do think they're stupid. Yeah. We've been hearing about them since this, the real ID act passed back in 2005 as a

response to the nine 11 commissions recommendations that the federal government set standards for issuance of source of identification, such as driver's licenses, basically just a- How's their track record on recommendations? Swish. One word, swish. They nailed it. Kobe. Kobe.

From the logo. Yeah, it was bad. It was a war on terror, horrible travesty of human rights violations. But yeah, so they put that out there and then kept pushing it back. You know, it just kept getting pushed back. And now they expect us to believe that it wasn't pushed back. I mean... What? Oh, they tried to gaslight?

I don't know. I just feel like I was so used to it getting pushed back that I shouldn't have to then go out and get it, you know? Okay. That just feels unfair to me that they move into a lab so many times. It'll happen, Jack. You're going to be... I'll just passively get it. What makes me laugh is that if you don't get it, right, you just have to have an extra measure of security, I guess, which makes me laugh because it reminds me of that. Remember that early days Snapchat meme in like 2015 of that seek man

with the turban and it just he wrote across the screen, he's in front of security and goes, about to get randomly selected. Exactly. It's just a pretext for them to choose to give you extra security attention, which I'm assuming they're still going to choose to give you extra security attention, which I'm assuming they're still going to do even if you have the real idea. But it's been pushed by Trump recently specifically as a way to target immigrants and give them an extra way to stop people, deport people, all the stuff they seem to like to do to people who weren't born here or were, but their parents weren't born here or, you know,

they just protested on behalf of Palestinian people. Or keep going. Yeah, there's more. I mean, and this goes back, like America has a long history of identification documents being used to control and surveil black people. It's rooted in the violence of slavery and it's after effects. We've covered this before on the show, but it's just a way for the government to impose its will on you and cast doubt on you and for the government to impose its will on you and cast doubt on you and You know do whatever the fuck they want to you basically and

Even Sarah Pitt so this is this was just kind of a nice like blast from the past We're like conservatives are bad about this, too They're like this is just big brother forcing us through more hoops which like brought me back to the era where conservative people were just annoyed by everything. They were just anti-homework. They were just like, I don't want to fucking do that. Well, that's the moment. When these things come about, the only hope I have is because you can't appeal to empathy or ethics or morals when it comes to this, like to crossing whatever aisle quote unquote.

But when it comes to like bureaucracy and folks having to, you know, take days off work and go into the DMV and go and you just have to hope that money then makes them complain. Right. Okay. Maybe there's some some shifts that will happen. Yeah, I feel like just things are going to get more annoying. Maybe that will help. Like this makes things more annoying. Like obviously the fucking economy like is going to be shitty and make things, I don't know, annoying is the right word, but

just harder for people. Tedious. Yeah, tedious. And yeah, just having to over and over just like go through, jump through bureaucratic hoops to as a wise philosopher once said, aka Sarah Palin, a few sentences ago. It is super cute that she like clearly didn't get like multiple conservative like rhetoric upgrades. She's still doing this like big brother shit. Like what are you fucking in 1987?

What the hell are you talking about? Like you guys are past that. You guys this big brother shit. What are you fucking in 1987? The hell are you talking about? You guys are past that. You guys are big brothers. What are you doing? You've been her brother for 20 years. What are you talking about? That's so funny. I actually like the idea of her passionately being like, hey, you guys, this is pretty scary, huh? Alex Jones, also old school conservative in some ways has suggested that Trump's fascist government overreach is really just because he's being manipulated to support real ID.

So like real ID is actually the thing that he's all like been trying to get to so he can like actually they can get like more control over you, which I don't know sounds plausible at this point. Oh God. But yeah, it just seems it seems bad in these situations because he's right. It's bad. But it's like it's because it's barring like, you know, ESL folks from having the right like test ability at the DMV or the right paperwork for people who

don't have, you know, birth certificates, like all these different things. But it's that onion thing where it's kind of like worst guy you know agrees with you. And it's like, no! Well, yeah. And all of their fantasies of like conspiracy theories are just them imagining what it would act what it actually is like for people of color in this country. Yeah. If that happened to them.

That's so true. They're going to start pulling you over and they're not going to let you have guns. They're going to, that is already the case for many of the people in the country. It's not going to happen to you. Yeah. Yeah. They can't fathom Trump doing it. What's so weird is every time they're like,

and they tricked them, they tricked old boy and you're like I mean, I think they're they're just kind of leaning into what they have right like he because Trump now seems more trickable than ever Just even it's just evident So I think now they they just had to add a little a little zag to their zig They just had to add a little, a little zag to their zig, maybe? Right. Right. Can I just say, I flew recently at, and at least at Atlanta airport, the video of Kristi Noem, like doing the little like, you're about to go through TSA speech, was the most I've ever felt like, oh, I'm in the first act of Starship Troopers. Like it was the production value,

I think was just a little Verhoeven-ish on her video that I was like, oh no. It's really, there's so many ways that it feels Verhoeven-ish. Like Robocop and fucking Starship Troopers. Like he did Robocop. Just not as funny. Yeah, yeah. No, not as funny at all. Just, but it has that glaze on it. It's a, it's a gritty Verhoeven reboot by like, you know, like your Zack Snyder types.

Right, yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it's like a good director was re-imagined by someone who sucks at this. Who didn't realize they were a fashion. It also sucks because they are in, like we're all like, oh, it's just so opinion. It's like this movie, it's like this movie. It's like, because those people watch these movies, right?

It's like, it's created because of that. And so then it feels super next reality. Like, oh. And they're like, they, they watch star ship troopers and they're like, seems good. Yeah. I love this stuff. Those bugs. Fuck those bugs.

Gross. Also, uh, you, you can get free donuts and you know, you might assume that you have to get your real ID to get free donuts like giving blood, but you don't. Krispy Kreme is offering free donuts as a way of taking the edge off for the real ID process, which maybe this will be the time. I've been told by our listeners that I need to try fresh Krispy Kremes at some point. Have you not? I still haven't done it

Yeah, I mean you've had 20 years since the phenomenon started. What are you doing here? Yeah being bad at life, I guess but yeah as we've talked about You don't actually like you can still fly without the real ID You will go get put through extra security without the real ID, you will go get put through extra security, which is the same security people are already subjected to, quote unquote, randomly by TSA agents. So yeah, it just seems like people that the government is banking on people not making the extra trip to the DMV and then using this dusty law to further do security checks and just do whatever the fuck they want to people essentially. Dehumanize? Can I ask Jack, as someone who again just was like, whatever, I'm already at the DMV,

what information did I give them if I have a real ID that I wouldn't have wanted to? Do you know? I don't, I don't have that. Because it's like a fingerprint or some shit. I guess I just assume they have all that already, but I don't. I genuinely don't remember. You give them your blood, right? That was part of it? Oh, sequence your genome. Here's the thing about me and the DMV. I'm just spraying blood all over anyway.

Yeah. So, hard to know. One thing you got to know about me Walking into a DMV. It started just a year, but that line goes fast. If you've just got, yeah. Um, I will say real spurting. I managed to lose two pairs of prescription sunglasses. This last trip to the DMV, uh, or two trips to get this ID, which fucking sucks.

You lost two on I love trips I lost left one there and then I got a replacement and then when I went to pick up my ID card which I again assume was real ID because I I feel like I would have remembered if I took a stand and then I just left those there also don't let me have sunglasses. Yeah, everyone listening. We just gotta get you a string, you know There's a little yeah Or just like pitch black contact lenses like the guy from corn Yeah, or transitions or do they make transition contact lenses? You just have to stare directly at the Sun and then your eyes turn

Can I tell you I didn't I am such a literal princess that my friend calls me because I didn't see it, I didn't look at the sun or see a sunset till I was 12 because I was told not to look at the sun. And nobody said there's a time constraint on it. Like you're allowed to look when it's setting. That's true. Nobody does tell you that. We just all are like, this is probably fine, right?

Yeah. I said, okay, all right. And then I got to see a sunset at 12 and it was incredible. Being conscious of the first time, yeah. I see a sci-fi future where you're the only person who isn't blind. Yeah. Yeah.

But you're also like a vampire that got cured. That's very like poignant to remember seeing a sunset for the first time. Yeah, that's true. Well, it is because to your sci-fi point, the reason we found out is because my parents and my sister, we're all driving the car. My parents were like, look at that beautiful sunset.

I started screaming because I was like, I'm going to be the only one to see for the family. And I was like, stop it. Stop it. Throwing your body in between their face in the sunset. Yeah. All right. Moving on to just pure Schadenfreude.

The, so it seems like Cybertrucks have just totally stopped selling. Like, and again, I just have to Sarah Rumpf, R-U-M-P-F for Media-ite. This is the most I've enjoyed. It's not like, there's nothing that jumped out to me. Like stylistically, it's just an article. God damn did I've enjoyed. It's not like there's nothing that jumped out to me. Like stylistically, it's just an article. But goddamn did I enjoy it. I was like, I think I need a cigarette after reading this. I have my suspicions the Cybertrucks

were not going to sell that well. Like we'd heard that Teslas were becoming less popular in the aftermath of, again, the mainstream media loves to be like, it's his association with Trump who is a polarizing figure, and Doge, which people have their questions about. And it's not the like blaring, almost involuntary Nazi salute that he threw up in front of the global media at Trump's inauguration. And then immediately followed that by like speeches in Germany telling them to like stop making a big deal about the Holocaust or whatever he said there. Anyways, since that day, Tesla sales have dropped pretty precipitously while overall electronic vehicle sales have gone up.

So it's like against the grain of like how, how everything's moving. And so my assumption was like, he made it very uncool to own a Tesla and the, like, but Tesla's like at least look like other cars for the most part. Like you have to spend a second to make sure you're looking at a Tesla before you start to judge the person who's driving it. Like there's no mistaking a cyber truck. Like they, they just might as well come with like a full brass band playing the Imperial march. Like they're just so fucking conspicuous from like three blocks away.

And so, you know, they're just a statement and the statement is like, I stand. That this came out after he did that. And I stand I'm down with that. I think that was cool. What he did with the, uh, with saying his heart goes out to people. So it felt like, man, that's gotta be tough for the popularity. And this article, so this article, in addition to being like, so first Tesla sales going down as e-vehicle sales going up.

Next, Cybertruck. Quote, a Forbes editor who covers the electric vehicle market dubbed the Cybertruck Elon's Ed cell and the audio auto industry's biggest flop in decades at the beginning of April. It's accelerated on a downward spiral since then. So yeah, already a flop. And then what we're about to hear happened. A new article by electric editor in chief, Fred Lambert spells out how brutal the numbers have become for the cyber truck. And by the way, it should be noted that electric and Lambert personally have faced sharp criticism over the years for perceived bias in favor of Tesla and Musk. So this is like one of

his, you know, one of the people who like writes about him glowingly in a way that's like annoying and has created the problem in the first place. It was reported in April that about 2,400 new Cybertrucks representing about $200 million in inventory were languishing unsold, leading the company to refuse to accept them as trade-ins and other used car dealers finding them unappealing and making only lowball offers. So they just stopped taking them back, even though the cars were broken and causing all sorts of recalls and shit.

Someone had a sticker on their car that was like, I know I can't afford to get a new car, like to trade it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. on their car that was like, I know I can't afford to get a new car, like to trade it. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, that's happening across Teslits, but like this one is, that's the only acceptable decal other than Vape Juice is a giant decal that's like, I know. So I did not, I don't pay attention to the news. How dumb can you be? Yeah. Honestly, like, it's.

Yeah. Now that inventory, so they were, they were already calling it like the biggest flop of all time. When there were like just 2,400 cyber trucks sitting on the lot, unmovable. That inventory has skyrocketed to a new record high of more than 10,000 cyber trucks. more than 10,000 cyber trucks. So it's like four times where it was when they were like, this is the biggest disaster in the history of cars, maybe it's like, it's four times that. And like, they just can't even like, they can't even explain like what's happening. They don't, there's no like counter narrative.

A lot of like one of the counter narratives they've tried to say is like, yeah, well, we're just like ramping up a production because there's so much demand. And like studies have shown that they've actually like slowed production to almost to a halt because there is no demand. It's just that apps like zero people are buying them. And so they're just like, they couldn't, you couldn't like slam on the brakes at the factory fast enough. And so they're just like piling up at the, you know, like the t-shirt.

The lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Straight into the, into the discount bin and like they're offering huge discounts now and they can't sell shit. Yeah, it's like the I love Lucy scene. Yeah, really?

Yeah. I mean, the honestly, the last year, the only tiny ray of hope I had for the election was when Elon joined, I was like, listen, literally everything he touches does turn to absolute failure. So the problem was it just the timeline. We just didn't give him enough time to cook. If he joined like, you know, mid election cycle, I do think Elon could have ruined Trump's chances. Right.

Well, I also think the reason there's no sort of counter narrative, right, is because then we'd have to talk about billionaires. And it's like Musk, it's like three hundred thirty three billion, what does he say he is? It's like or is not eight hundred million is a drop in the bucket. And that's what these cyber trucks are crossing to sit there. And so it's like it's just kind of because there's no discernment or our accountability within billionaires. He's like, yeah, it's not a flop to me.

It's like it's whatever. And that's the hard part. And I think that should be more the focus is that a company is able to use these resources and like and just No problem. No accountability. Yeah Yeah Well wealth has been concentrated to such a degree that one of the worst auto decisions at all times can be Absorbed by a moron. Yeah, and he can act to the degree that he can be like, actually I did that on purpose. Uh, it's actually for tax purposes.

Your Ilan impression is internally troubling. It's actually a win. Yeah. I also, I didn't, you know, I, I have heard like people are talking about how he and Trump have gone their separate ways. Uh, this article also gets into like how Trump's policies are just directly and vigorously fucking Elon Musk, like pretty bad. Speaking of essential oils that smell leathery and are extremely toxic, can you imagine being

in the room with those two fucking dickheads? Just the smell coming off their bodies. He bought an election, like put all his time and energy into like buying an election for this guy and got at just got what everyone who thinks they can like play Trump gets Like everyone who at like thinks they're going to get something in return from Trump They always get completely fucked over and Yeah, I don't it does For a moment make you be like wow. He's like really doesn't give a fuck. He's like pissing off the oligarchs and like, will they ever get together and

admit they were wrong? And then that scenario just stops being plausible because obviously they would never admit they were wrong or dumb about anything. It's, it's like watching it's the perfect con. Like Trump knows they can't do shit about him. Right. And it is in that way, sort of glorious. And if we didn't all have to collectively foot the emotional, financial, and

possibly physical safety bill, it would be funny. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Let's take a, let's take a quick break so that we can all just laugh quietly to ourselves about that. And then we'll be back to talk about AI. We'll be right back. Woo.

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Used to be that used to be ahead of AI for Uber. So he's like, not just an academic who's like standing on the sidelines being like, you guys are dumb. He is one of the guys. Jack, can I just interrupt and say, like any version of the job title, financial analyst or commentary, blah, blah, blah, is much better described by capitalism guy. Capitalism guy.

That's what they all fucking are. Yeah, bro. Yeah, capitalism. Yeah, that's just going to be a segment of our show. Capitalism guys. What are they up to? But he doesn't even think AI is bad necessarily. He's just like they've chosen the wrong path. But it did feel like for the first time,

I was reading somebody talking about AI in a way that actually made sense alongside what we've been seeing. And basically he's just saying that it's kind of fucked. Like it's going to continue, they're going to keep investing in it. And specifically these like large language models. And the gains that they're making are going to run out and the problems like hallucinations where the AI makes up facts are going to be impossible to solve essentially.

And we've also seen recent reporting that like, because they're now drawing on training themselves with an internet that is partially AI, it's getting worse. It's just going to get worse from there. I had kind of missed this story, but OpenAI, obviously the known global leader in AI, suppose the global leader in AI had to just released their big, the new GPT-4 or whatever. And they had to pull it back after a few days because it was returning misguided, incorrect and downright harmful ideas. It was also too sycophantic, the company acknowledged.

That part is amazing. That part is crazy. Isn't that so funny? But you know what's crazy to me is it's like, we're like forgetting the fact that it is a pure mirror and aggregate of us and what we're feeding it and the algorithms we're feeding it and the personal data. And I'm going like, of course, of course.

Like we also have sycophants as our biggest political touchstone and news. It's like, what are you talking about? Of course it's that. Yeah. Oh, it's's that. Yeah. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah.

I mean, this feels like, again, and this is the one hope for this version of AI, is I guess that the whole media apparatus is bought in because so much of the market is propped up on AI hype that they're just not going to report this. Because that feels like a massive story. That like, chat GPT releases their newest version that they're just not going to report this because like that feels like a massive story that like Chat GPT releases their newest version and it's a step backward like in this thing that's supposed to be like the thing it's supposed to be the whole pitch on AI is like this thing's advancing so fast

yeah that like we're actually concerned with how fast it's advancing. It's going to leave us in the dust and go fuck off to space at the end of her. Or Sam Altman, when he was first coming on the scene, there's a profile of him from that regional publication, The New Yorker, where he talks about how he keeps a cyanide capsule on him because he's worried about the AI coming to life and killing him and his fan. Like he's just playing up like Terminator ideas, like because he knows that it makes it a good, a good pitch that it's like this thing's so damn smart. It's w it actually scares me sometimes. I'm so good at my job.

I get scared sometimes. actually scares me sometimes. I'm so good at my job. I get scared sometimes. And instead of like rocketing along that growth curve, it's getting worse and like more prone to making shit up. And they're trying to, the sycophantic thing is so funny to me because they're just like trying to cover it up for it by having the product just flatter the user. That's so sad. That's so pathetic.

I mean, I'm happy that it didn't work, I'll say. But here's my thing, though. I always get like half, it's like burn after reading where it's like, there's more idiots than you think at the top and half sort of like, maybe this is a part of a bigger thing where it's like nobody has promised accuracy with AI. Nobody has promised truth or like accurate data. So when data is given to an individual and they can see so apparently that it is not accurate data then there's the issue, right? But that to me doesn't necessarily say that that's not the kind of point. Like that's not like the idea that the data can be chosen and picked by people doesn't speak to accuracy of data.

It's just who's giving the data. And that's where I kind of go, oh, then that's showing a hand too fast and not effective in the way it is being titrated to people to use more actively, but not necessarily ineffective as a medium or thing itself. Yeah. Right. As a product, right? Yeah. And the trick that they did is they never said it was fully accurate, and they claimed sometimes it hallucinates because it's fucking tricky and smart.

Well, they imply that it's smart. But yeah, the implication is by giving you a product that it says can write your legal briefs for you and they're implying that it can do this. It's like Tesla being like, we have a self-driving mode that legally they can't call it, they can't say it can self-drive. So they like, but everything around it is suggests that, well, they wouldn't like put this in a car if it wasn't safe. Yes. So like, obviously, so like, it's just, yeah, they just imply it.

It is not good at what it does. It's well, like, it's good at what it does. It's not good at what it's good at. The. It's good at what it does. It's not good at what. It's good at certain things. The bosses want you to think it can do. That's right. So that's the big thing. The one thing that he points out is

it's very good at mimicry. And that is the one thing that I'm like, yeah, that is true. Like that's all the stuff I've been impressed by. Like the, you know, images, like the Studio Ghibli thing is like, that's fun. I see that as like a fun little applet.

This used to just be a thing that got introduced to Snap and everybody was like, whoa, look at this thing that Snap can do. And people would be like, that's fun for now. Um, the, the really like mind blowing shit that it can do, uh, is like, it's making fraud, like much more powerful. Like the people are able to change their race, facial hair voice and more during live video calls with no effort so that they can fool elderly people. Uh, in one case in this article that we'll link off to, it did a deep fake on like an employee and just made that employee think that they were in a video call with their

CFO and their CFO was like, I'm going to need you to like transfer $5 million here, $5 million here, $5 million here. And they did it, you know, like, Like, so it's good at mimicking things. It's not good at thinking or doing research for you because it's going to find incorrect research. I can't believe we're not talking more about John Anderton, though, and pre-crime. Like, why aren't we bringing up Minority Report all the time when we're data? I mean, I think that to me is like the extrapolation of data to say that somebody is going to do

something is just going to serve to support deporting people to Venezuela. You know, all these different things. Oh, yeah. They're going to claim that it can do that. It seems like they may have deployed versions of that in like, Gaza. It does sound like they're already doing that pretty big time. Yeah. Yeah. I will, I think this is a quote from Ed Citron, but if I'm wrong, I'm sorry about that. But I, some writer pointed out that like, this all this large language model stuff is like billion or trillion dollar solutions for at

best million dollar problems. Right. Really good. It's just like, yeah, like this stuff is like kind of helpful for some things, but it is not close to what it takes to run this shit and develop this thing that is like only okay. Yeah. So this guy's prediction for what, because I do think like the thing that's creating all the momentum and why this is like a thing that we can't stop

fucking hearing about constantly in the mainstream media is because there's like a lot of money invested in it. And the thing that this guy is saying is like, it's not going to go away. It's not just going to like one day people are going to be like, there's no use for this because there are like cool things that can do with regards to images and mimicry and like creating a C plus paper that like has a couple factual errors in it. Like that stuff will probably continue to be useful. Some of the teachers grading those papers will probably be using AI.

So you know, it'll just be like AI on AI, like, bullshit. That's what Tron was about, I think. Yeah, it's just gonna spin off into, instead of spinning off into like a hyper intelligent race, like in Terminator, it's gonna like spin off into just mediocrity, just like a world of mediocrity that no, like mediocre robots talking to each other. But losers who have been told they are the smartest thing ever by chat GPT, which is exactly all the losers, losers, which is Elon. Like, cool.

But his idea for where this ends up is just like, it's not going to be, it's going to get less and less expensive. to be, it's going to get less and less expensive and like, because nobody has like the information of like how to do the thing that all these AI companies can do. Like everybody knows it now. It's not secret information. As we saw with the, what was the Chinese version? Deepseek. Deepseek. Yeah. Can I just say to the extent I ever use large language model stuff, I always just go to DeepSeek. Yeah, just use DeepSeek.

It's like, not the best, not the worst. Because fucking rip off to GPT, who cares? Yeah, it's cheaper, it kills less, it uses less resources. But he keeps comparing it to Spellcheck in the article. He's like, look, Spellcheck was a thing that was like cool when we first got it, but nobody like made a billion dollars selling spell check. It's just like a thing that's everywhere now. And it's like everybody knows how to program it into whatever they're doing.

And so like every, everybody's going to have access to AI. It's going to be recognized as the not very impressive technology, and then we'll keep developing along the path to where AI will eventually be more powerful and something that we'll have to reckon with. But this version is not it, and it's eventually just going to be something that's everywhere. But also this path is not it. The large language model business is not it. And it's eventually just going to be like something that's kind of everywhere. But also this path is not it. The large language model business is not-

That's his whole thing. It's not like a type of consciousness that's just not- that will improve with more processing power. It is simply going down the actual wrong road of- Wait, but not it for what and who? I mean it as in if these dumb fucks think they can build like the equivalent of a conscious mind out of silicon chips, this is not how you even do that. Which is what we all want because consciousness. But that's what I mean with these articles though.

I get confused because I'm kind of like, it's not it for the tech industry, it's not it for art and technology. Like, what is it not it? That's where I get what you're saying there, because it is confusing sometimes. Well, the other problem with the media about AI, I will say, I think, is that everyone has different incentives. Like, all the tech people, their goal is a world where they don't have to employ human beings. Yes.

People are being pitched this idea that, oh, you can fucking write a novel by asking this or whatever the fuck. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or this is like a little assistant for you. The reality is it's just like none of those things. But those things are not consonant with each other. So that's why I think the it of what AI's it is, is such a confusing moving target,

because at best they're deluded about what it is, but more realistically they're just lying about what the goals are to you. Right. So that we use it and help train it. But I think even... The thing they didn't count on is how bad that training was to you. Right. So that we use it and train, help train it. Yeah. I think even. The thing they didn't count on is how bad that training was because people are fucking stupid.

That's so funny. That's so sweet, you know, like Irene, I love that. Yeah. It is just going to be used to try and advertise to us. We talked earlier this week about like the model that they're developing in the background that they're like, we're moving from the attention economy to the intention economy where now we're going to sell your intention. We're going to sell your free will to marketers.

So basically like as you interact with an AI assistant in the background, that AI assistant is going to be attached to a market where people are buying and selling like what it suggests that you do. Yeah. I listened to that and I just, my whole thing the whole time is like, I felt better cause it's, it's sort of this behemoth and sounds scary, but then I'm going like, Oh, but it's for ads. Yeah. It's for ads and also it'll suck.

Like that sounds terrible. The second people know that's what's happening. I feel like, I don't know. Maybe it won't. Disconnect your value from things. The second we like I feel like, I don't know. Maybe it won't. Disconnect your value from things. The second we like help people have, I don't know, grounded emotional bases as individuals, like then I'm not as worried. Yeah, that's true.

This just adds. Well, and also it's specifically designed given, or not specifically designed, but like it's fallen into like the way the market and the culture around it has it is the worst people are by far the most susceptible to it so I'm kind of not hating it I'm just like yeah that's right you should I actually would not mind you reaping what you sow because good fucking God yeah well Mo it's been a true pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist joy I could gab all day. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff?

Please join me and my podcast, Worse Than You with Mo Fry-Pasek. We've break down people's creative process, usually comedians, but also different artists, why they make their art, why it means something to them, and also just the logistical process of making things, because again, very literal, I need people to break it down. You can also follow me at at Mopaw, M-E-A-U-X-P-A-S, and I just touch a flower today, have a good day. That's me, I am.

There you go, that's good advice. It's the best thing anyone said on this. Fly over to the flower and just drink the whole fucking thing down. You're a hummingbird. That's good advice. It's the best thing anyone said on this. Fly over to the flower and just drink the whole thing down. You're a hummingbird. This is a hummingbird pod. That's right. We do have a large hummingbird listenership. I heard that, yeah. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Okay. I vacillate between like, you know, niche artists of like 1920 and Summer House.

And I love sort of the connectivity of it. So I was trying to think of different media, but the one prompt here was a tweet. And I just wanted to share a tweet that I think of all the time. And it's from 2020. And it's my favorite when everyone's talking about like, male female body dynamics or all of those. Uh, Rachel sent it, tweeted, sometimes guys are like, wow, I'm intimidated by how organized you are. And I'm like, okay, well I'm intimidated by the fact that you could kill me with your bare hands.

That comes up in my head all the time. I enjoy it. Every time I think of it, I feel so seen. I enjoy it. Every time I think of it, I feel so seen. I love it. I love it so much. That's great. Andrew, thank you so much for joining. Where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Don't find me. I don't know. Andrew T. Podcasts is yours. Leave me alone. The two works of media,

I'm going to see Sinners a third time this week. I fucking love that movie. But I guess the more obscure works of media, I'm going to see Sinners a third time this week. I fucking love that movie. But I guess the more obscure piece of media is there is a YouTube DJ named Zhou Zhou. She's Chinese. I mean, she's Chinese. Z-H-O-U, I think. But it's kind of Chinese for ramble around. One of her sets, she plays a bunch of Chinese city pop,

which is way less well known than Japanese city pop. I'll just say as a Chinese person, I could acknowledge it's less good, but it's there. But her sets are great, and she's very, very like, you know, chill vibes to groove out to kind of business. And I don't know, I've been enjoying it. Also, I'm fucking old, so this was a real revelation for me. I was like, oh, people are doing cool DJ sets on, oh my goodness.

What's the sound? What is this cool DJ set? I remember these songs. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien, on bluesky at Jack OB the number one yeah DC Pearson took a picture of a rack at the at the grocery store and on one shelf was a National Geographic Pope Francis a life of service and the next one was Time magazine hello kitty the power of cuteness. And he said, sucks, they never got to collab.

That's so true. This would have been so good. You can find us on Twitter and blueskaia at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can click on this episode wherever you're listening to it and Go to the description and there you will find the footnotes Which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy

Superproducer Justin is there a song that you think the people might enjoy? yeah, I recently came across this track that I think I can only describe as like a warm summer romance between your ears. It is so relaxing. There's this nice little pleasant whistle in between these guitar notes and the vocals are so smooth.

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