The Daily Zeitgeist - Red Wine Is Like Weed?! The End Of Letter Grades?! 11.19.21

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

In episode 1034, Jack and Miles are joined by Kate Hagen to discuss Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game, A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck, Red Wine is LIKE WEED SERIOUSLY!!!!!, Netflix‘s most watched shit and more! Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading A Crusade to End Grading in High Schools Red Wine is LIKE WEED SERIOUSLY!!!!! Netflix‘s most watched shit LISTEN: Mamari by Muita Kabella Power Ensemble Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 211 episode 5 of your daily night guys the production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is friday november 19th 2021 sure it's the 158th anniversary of the gettysburg address or whatever but more importantly it's national carbonated beverage with caffeine day aka baja black aka red bull pororoso as they say well my name is jack o'brien aka may mayo mayo ch chop and i wanna throw up uh that is curtsy of ensign jensen not necessarily true of me i don't mind a little mayo chop but my wife not a fan uh i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray yes it's graberham lincoln letting you know that four blunts and seven edibles ago I was smacked playing PlayStation 5

okay you were already smacked and then you did four blunts and how many edibles? seven, four blunts and seven edibles ago it was a challenging time just to get it yourself right having Ellen Scanlon come on last week

that was last week, right? Just kind of got my mind going again around edibles and my endocannabinoid system. Endocannabinoid. I was getting really into it. Then this article came out today saying like, cannabis-like compounds are released when you do strength exercising, like anti-inflammatory properties. The gist of it was like lifting weights periodically for your health is good for you.

Way to bring weed in. And we'll talk about those science headlines. Yeah, everybody's trying to get on that weed train. They're like, math is like smoking weed. Doing math. But with numbers. That's cool. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

a brilliant and talented writer whose work has appeared in Playboy 538, The Hollywood Reporter, and on The Blacklist blog. You've heard her on podcasts like How Did This Get Made, seen her in the documentary The Last Blockbuster. She's the director of community relations for The Blacklist, which celebrates outstanding and underappreciated screenwriting and is just an all-around legend, mate. Please welcome Kate Hagen! What's up, Kate? Hey, guys. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me back. Excited to join the two-time Daily Zeitgeist Club. That's pretty exciting.

Yeah, three times. You get that green paperweight. Oh, very exciting. I was just trying to look up my tweet i was going to reference because it's weed related and i thought it was a nice dovetail which with what y'all were talking about with edibles and now i can't find the tweet again you hold on to that you have a whole show to figure out organic search while we're talking totally totally what's new with you kate hanging out you know you're plus into covid i just moved which is very exciting i had been in the same place for nine years and it was nice to get a little change of scenery go through all my shit and start again but yeah moving is not very fun who knew what region of the city were you in and which region did you move to? I just moved. Getting as specific as you'd like.

In LA, I moved from East Hollywood to Hancock Park area and found a miracle of an apartment. Yeah, I was fully ready to move to North Hollywood, but I got really lucky. Check Zillow at midnight, guys. That's my advice. And Kate, I'm sure you didn't say north hollywood like that like it's a bad place to be my ancestral homeland it's not it's a fantastic listen north hollywood i just like i don't love driving on highways here so like anything valley then like you are dedicated to highways so i was happy to not have to go make that change in my life.

But no, I go to North Hollywood all the time. I have a bunch of friends who live. Yeah. I would name everything in North Hollywood. Go. I don't believe you. Exactly.

Pitfire pizza. Okay. Lancashire right there. Okay. Yeah. No, my favorite video store used to be in North Hollywood, but they,

uh, I did love Odyssey. I have a bunch of VHS tapes from when Odyssey closed, but right down the street from them, Eddie Brand's Saturday Matinee that had like... Oh, yeah. Legendary, yeah. That place is wild. I don't know why I said that. I grew up like a block from Odyssey

like as a kid and I'll always be like, man, shit's not at Blockbuster. We go to Janky Odyssey where the porno is in the front half of the store and you get to walk by it as a kid. Yeah. When they were going out of business, their whole back room was just like thousands of pornos on VHS. I was like, wow.

Yeah. I bought my first porno tape at Odyssey Video when I was like 17 or something. Just at the age where they're like, man, you're probably 18. It's fine. I remember being in there and i was like it was like fucking cheesecake factory menu i was like i don't even know where to fucking begin i like almost i'm not joking i just closed my eyes and like waved my hand at the show like this one i will take these sir shout out to gage That's a real generational defining line. Like, have you ever watched porn on a VHS tape?

Did you buy porno? Yeah. Digital media. Yeah. Have you ever paid? Yeah. Paid actual American money. Yeah, because everything these kids don't know, they can get their weed delivered.

They don't have to go to a Rite Aid parking lot like I used to post up at and just wait for me to flash my hazards. lot like I used to post up at and just wait for me to flash my hazards or now they can summon pornography on their cell phones rather than waiting like four hours for a two megabyte mpeg video to download oh a different time we do it for y'all we do it for you the youth okay is there like seasonality with the blacklist like do you guys have the blacklist coming up we do we will have the annual blacklist coming up in december i cannot spoil the date yet but it is coming soon and i believe this is going to be if my math is right number 17 which is really almost of legal voting age the blacklist yeah yeah could buy a porno at odyssey Yeah.

Could buy a porno at Odyssey. RIP. RIP. Yeah. Yeah. They did have that popcorn machine, though, that before health code laws, you're like, yeah, yeah, I'm sure this place. Right.

But this serve yourself popcorn machine by the adult video sections. They're handing it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I feel like the person behind the desk at the video store was probably like, look, man, I just want you to shave off that mustache that you've been growing. So I'm going to let you do this, but just you have to promise me to go home and shave that shit. He's like, look, man, if you shave it, come back in. I'll remember you and I'll sell it to you then. Oh, man.

I still remember my first mustache. It was, that thing was not great. Don't look at my mustache and say I remember my first mustache it was that thing was don't look at my mustache and say i remember my first mustache come on man you're looking straight at my i remember my first mustache miles my eyes fogged over as i said i remember my first mustache and i looked wistfully up at the clouds you warged back into. But we are both mustachioed men right now. Yep. You know, I'm sure people can hear it in our voice, but.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So, Kate, is it like tax season for an accountant? Is it like that wild or are y'all pretty like locked in on your process? Oh, and also, please let, for people who don't know about the blacklist, please tell them about the blacklist because that's a very insular like Hollywood thing. Yeah. the blacklist please tell them about the blacklist because that's a very insular like hollywood thing yeah it started in 2005 by my boss franklin leonard as an annual survey of the most liked screenplays in town the number two and the number three scripts on the first blacklist were juno and lars and the real girl so that was like kind of the launching pad for writers yeah and over the years it's just become a really great sort of collection at the end of the year of really great screenplays that are not being produced. Tons of writers have come

through something like, you know, 25 Oscar wins for blacklist scripts, a couple billion dollars in global box office, which is pretty cool. But we also have a two sided marketplace that anybody anywhere in the world with an English language screenplay or pilot can upload a script and make it available to thousands of industry members. And we've had countless writers get signed, you know, set their scripts up, get movies made, make other sort of official industry connections that have been a springboard. And we take very little credit for that stuff. You know, we're just sort of the conduit for those conversations to happen. But it's really cool. I mean, you know, we also do some really hefty screenwriters lab programs. My colleague Megan Halpern does a lot of those.

But that's one of the best parts of the job is like seeing folks who did the screenwriters lab five or six years ago, like book huge studio gigs and things like that. Yeah, we just, you know, I think Franklin realized early on in his tenure in the industry that like writers are very overlooked by the business and you know, it's the first person who has the idea most of the time to make the movie and you know, needed a sense of community. A lot of times we would do like dinners with screenwriters a couple of years

ago and it would be shocking. Like, Oh, I rewrote one of your drafts and we've never met in person. Oh wow. Right. Yeah. So it's been really cool to watch that sort of community develop.

I've been working there since 2014 somehow, and we have grown a lot in that time. But yeah, going to hang out with writers and see them do their best work is a pretty nice thing. What was the last big thing that came off the blacklist? King Richard comes out today. And that was the number two script on the blacklist in 2018, 2019, I think. So that's big do-ins. I'm trying to think of some of... comes out today and that was the number two script on the blacklist in 2018 2019 i think okay so that's that's big doings i'm trying to think of some of uh i was like when i first saw the poster for that i was like all right like i think i have a sense of what kind of movie this is and then i was at a theater saw the trailer and i was like i was like getting choked up you're like yeah i'm

good with this like you know coach. You know, coach dad. Oh my God. Why aren't I watching this? Like, I don't know what love is. One of my favorite Blacklist stories, though, is that Succession sort of started as a Blacklist script. Jesse Armstrong had written a script, I believe about the Murdoch family that was on the blacklist that is sort of morphed into succession, which is exciting. So thanks for writing that Jesse Armstrong.

We're all better for it. That's awesome. And it just has to be like unproduced or like unpurchased to make it into the not necessarily unpurchased. Just the first day of principal photography cannot have begun. If the script makes the blacklist, like I'm pretty sure like when King Richard was on the blacklist, like, Will Smith was already attached to Star

or, like, was announced a couple days later. So, yeah, things are in various stages of production. But, you know, too, that being said, there are still many, many blacklist scripts that have never gotten made. Industry folks who want some good material go back to the old blacklist and see what's still available. But it's been super cool to like sort of watch all those folks evolve and watch the movies enter the mainstream and just you know become a part of the conversation yeah i was just

trying to figure out if i should submit my screenplay that has will smith attached already but it sounds like i'm good to do that so uh you'll be yeah you know just just take it to hbo max they'll get you set up just like real quick yeah we know some people over there be pretty quick okay we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first a few of the things we're talking about uh we have an update on the story about christy gnome's daughter's licensing attempt to be a licensed real estate agent? Appraiser, okay. Appraiser. It's a lot harder. Sorry. And also really fucking unfair how hard it is.

We're going to talk about letter grades and whether those are going to go away. We're going to talk about red wine being like weed. According to this study. Yeah, according to this study, as well as lifting weights, as well as just existing. Reading the Bible is please buy our

product it is like weed weed like property all that plenty more but first kate we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history i learned a fun fact this week i grew up in cincinnati ohio and i was doing some just like general spooky Cincinnati Googling. And I learned that the very first commercial haunted house was in Deer Park, Ohio, which is where my dad grew up and started in 1970 as part of the like Junior Chamber of Commerce. Junior Chamber of Commerce. Yeah, right. Young Capitalist Club. Okay, go on.

They were called the Jaycees for Jaycee Junior Chamber. Okay, go on. They were called the Jaycees for Jaycee Junior Chamber. And they would just like find spooky abandoned houses and make these like really crazy themed rooms before the time of like spirit Halloween stores. So like homemade props and things like that. But you know, I grew up in Cincinnati my whole life and Cincinnati is kind of a spooky town, but I had no idea that like the sort of haunted house as we know it today began there. And I've been fascinated by this all week.

Also, the guy who started it is this like local gardening expert in Cincinnati. He's on like, you know, the grandma radio stations. And you're like, how did you come up with haunted houses, my guy? Like what? Yeah. So in the sense that the earliest sort of documented haunted house type things were people just setting up, like, grandiose displays in rooms. And then that kind of evolved to what we have now with our scarectors and mazes and whatnot. Yeah, yeah.

I read that it was, like, initially, like, there were some earlier haunted houses that were, like, sort of, like, one-off things. Or, like, in the Great Depression, I guess, there were a bunch of rascally boys out on the streets on halloween night so they're like we need to like keep them indoors so people would like turn their basements into haunted houses but yeah the first sort of like let's charge admission that let's make this an event like you know let's make this like a destination yeah just little deer park ohio yeah yeah wild times i lived in a dayton for five years and i like i have a memory where my friends and i were going we were like planning to go to cincinnati to go to like this haunted house or i think it was a haunted hospital they were like it has multiple floors it's terrifying and then i like babied out and was like you guys i just i don't think we should do it

i know exactly what you're talking about yeah this is like a local legend was like if you survive every floor you get like the top floor is the scariest but you gotta survive sign a waiver if anything happens to you yeah i remember we were in the van getting ready to go and I came up with an excuse for why I couldn't go. And I think I blew up the whole trip. I don't blame you. I love horror movies, but I do not fuck with haunted houses. I do not want to be touched. I don't want anybody in my face. That's a whole different level. Yeah. That's why I think last time we talked about it, I'll walk through that thing screaming.

Trying to be more scary to the characters. Just like, what's up? What y'all want? Pull the fence. Get the fuck out of here. I'm wild. This is my place. And I'm just like petrified inside.

So I don't do it. It's not good for my blood pressure. By the way, people should know, just so that in case we have listeners who like to picture things in their mind, that Miles is now a standing podcaster. And so we get like, when he was just doing that, he paced around and was, uh,

flexing on imaginary stage. Yeah. This is fun. Like Donald Trump in a fucking debate. Yeah. Uh, what is something you think is overrated? Kate?

Oh boy. I'm going to get a lot of haters for this one, but I got to do it because it's seasonally appropriate. I think Christmas music is wild overrated. And I think people who start listening to it in mid-October, that's a lot. It's a lot. I'm not saying all Christmas music is bad. I'm not saying Christmas music shouldn't be played during the Christmas season.

But when there are three radio stations dedicated to Christmas music shouldn't be played during the Christmas season, but when there are like three radio stations dedicated to Christmas music, like November 1st, that is a little bit of overkill guys, I would say. Yeah. It is really, it's a strange phenomenon that like for a month, like that's how powerful Christmas is that for a month,

we all just listen to like mediocre music and it's like the same every year and we're just like yeah but it is i mean it's all about nostalgia right so we're just i think that's what's wild yeah it's like it's an emotional safe space for a lot of american people like but this time of year was great because in school would be out and i could stay home and there were gifts and then i saw family and then i didn't have to go to school. And I feel like a lot of my because I'm one of these people like I will turn into a straight up Karen starting December 1st. Like I try to wait or maybe right after Thanksgiving. That's reasonable, though. Yeah.

After Thanksgiving. But like people are listening to Christmas music in mid-October. I'm just like, that's such a long time. And too much of a thing you like is bad. Like it will become meaningless because I only, I really, like you're saying, there are only like 16 songs I really like and you will go through them.

Like songs back then were like 90 seconds. So you listen to all of them like 40 minutes. You're like, fuck man, another round of that playlist. Yeah. That's why I just like- Jingle bell rock again, loop it again. The thing I do is I'll put on like piano covers. minutes you're like fuck man another round of that playlist yeah that's why i just think about rock again loop it again the thing i do is i'll put on like piano covers like piano jazz covers of like christmas standards at night to make my house feel like a hotel lobby that i'm not supposed to be in

yeah i like that do you have like some cinnamon like uh potpourri that you can put there oh yeah some some milling spices you know you got that mulling spices i got that i have i have my woodwick yankee candles you know what i mean with that crackling shit i'm telling i'm not joking about this the vibe setting i do yeah i'm some big austere glass like non-cheerful. I'm just trying to picture a fancy hotel at Christmas. I feel like they have like, it's a giant glass fucking Christmas tree or something. Yeah. A lot of orbs.

Many orbs. Yeah. So many orbs or like a gigantic what looks like a scientific glass flask, which is meant to evoke a Christmas tree. With like ribbon, it's like very minimal. It's very fancy. I do feel like the early like the fact that christmas is getting earlier and earlier is probably connected to the overall like infantilization of america because like i hadn't really made the connection until like now i have a three-year-old who starts asking about Christmas in like August. And so I feel like it's just, yeah, like it's, you know, the little baby and all of us being like, I want Christmas now.

Exactly. Because I'm like, what am I going to do with my 37-year-old reality? Right. Fuck that. I'm fucking nine. Yeah. Let's go. fucking nine yeah let's go i was just talking to my therapist about regression and the fact that like so many of us have regressed during the pandemic for better and worse and like i definitely

think that's a huge part of the christmas thing getting earlier and earlier it's like the world is so bad people are just looking for like little slivers of comfort and christmas music is one of them so i don't want to begrudge anybody's christmas music listening i just like maybe not for you but for you fuck that i will say the real racket as a musician is like write that christmas song as we've seen with mariah carey like you'll be making bank for the rest of your life as will your grandchildren like yeah right can you imagine like the like you know like how anderson cooper is like a vanderbilt and like there's someone the equivalent of like mariah carey's descendants to like they descend from that all i want for christmas money generational wealth yes new money

yeah right or who knows if they're smart about it it's old money by the time it's like 2100 oh man if the earth's around what's uh What's something that you think is underrated? This has been in my crawl this week because my friend Jen Johans just did a podcast with one of the co-creators. And I feel like the Internet has been super thirsty for Lee Pace recently because Lee Pace has been giving us a lot of really great thirst traps. traps but I still find people all the time who have either never heard of or never watched Halt and Catch Fire which I think is like the greatest show of the sort of golden age of TV I don't know like I you know the sort of founding of computers and the internet as we know it today is like not a thing that I'm like particularly interested in in the same way that like you know Baltimore City politics and the wire is not something I thought I'd be interested in in the same way that like you know baltimore city politics and the wire is not something i thought i'd be interested in but the writing on home catch fire is just unbelievable

and it does a really cool bait and switch from season one to season two you think it's going to be like another one of these sort of like bad white man stories and his sort of like redemption and then they just pull the rug out from under you and it becomes about the two female leads who are Carrie Bechet and, oh my God, Mackenzie. Why did her name just fall out? Mackenzie Davis. Thank you. Yeah. And they sort of become the leads of the show and it becomes about sort of like women in business during a very tumultuous time in the late 80s and early 90s.

Incredible music choices. incredible music choices one of the most elegantly produced shows that has like a bunch of massive time jumps in it which is really cool to like see characters 10 years after we met them i don't know man it's just one of the best shows and i still feel like a ton of people have never seen it i think it's still streaming on netflix but yeah if you've not watched halt and catch fire like what a what a nice cozy blanket of of a show about some fucked up people just trying to be a little bit better for each other. Damn. Okay.

I couldn't take a suggestion more seriously than from you. So I'm definitely watching it. I'm going to have to watch it now. It's funny. Cause I'm looking it up. I'm like, wait, Chris Cantwell is a showrunner,

the crying Nazi from Charlottesville, but it's just an unfortunate common name. It is a common name. Yeah. But yeah, I liked, I watched like the first couple when it was on and i was like this is boring this is a madman ripoff and then i had friends who were like no no you need to stick with it and you do need to stick with it because it kind of becomes a completely different show after the first season so yeah check it out guys oh and trenta moer did the theme music? Okay. This Danish EDM producer who I really... Okay, you might remember him from...

I know you'll remember this. If you remember Eastbound and Down, when they do Ecstasy at the dance, and there's a song that's like... It's like trippy music. That's Trenta Mulder. Okay. Yeah.

I think one of the guys from Tangerine Dream, too, does some of the music, which is really cool. That's like a nice throwback to all those great 80s Tangerine Dream scores. But yeah, watch Halt and Catch Fire, guys. It's so good. Okay. Taking that. All right. Well, let's take a quick break.

We're going to watch Halt and Catch Fire in its entirety, and we'll be right back. Yep. fire in its entirety and we'll be right back yeah i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo gray former member of 7m films and shekinah church and we're the host of the new podcast forgive me for i have followed together we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just

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It was a bait and switch. I did watch it on 44x speed, but I think I got most of it. Just like God intended. What was your favorite moment? The one where somebody blinks into existence for one split second and then blinks out of existence. Or they might have had a long scene.

Or I may have blinked while it was happening. Forget it. All right. Let's talk about Governor Kristi Noome and her alleged nepotism issues so her daughter was trying to get a real estate appraiser license the tests were not fair they were too hard way too hard and so her her mom stepped in to make it all better yeah and what's what's wrong with that the The most American thing, nepotism and being helped out by rich, powerful parents.

By Govermom. What's wrong with that? Let Govermom step in and make it all better. And yeah, like it was a whole thing. She had to come out and deny it because the whole thing was like, again, if you didn't listen to that episode, she wanted to get her license. They said, yo, she wasn't even doing the bare minimum so we had to deny it and then

the governor uh gnome calls like the like sort of the the power brokers or the people who have the the power to decide or oversee this like process of giving these licenses out summoned them to her office for like a fucking talk with her daughter in the fucking room. And then like, then suddenly people were like, oh, wait, but now she got approved after that meeting. Which, again, I just want to refresh everyone's memory. Led us to this clip where Kristi Noem was very much saying like, look, I don't know like what's happening here. I just know that here we'll we'll we, we'll just let Christy say it for herself. I raised her to accomplish things on her own, just like my parents raised me. Other appraisers went through the exact same process that Cassidy did. And I'll be honest,

my administration started fixing that process and it was way too difficult. Okay. So that's really the one part of that thing we need to hear her say. She's like, yeah, man, I had nothing to do with it. All right, I'm going to be real. We changed some shit, though, to make it easier because this shit was really unfair. It was too hard. I mean, let's be real. And I'll be honest, it had to change because it is unfortunately too difficult.

So, yes, her. Well, it turns out that all this attention on sweet young Cassidy has been way too much. And now she is, I guess, ready to throw it in. And I just want to read this sort of excerpt from the AP. Noam's daughter, Cassidy Peters, slammed a legislative inquiry and news reporting on the episode in a letter to Secretary of Labor Marsha Holtman. She also released a document that a legislative committee was seeking to subpoena oh okay so someone was looking for receipts lawmakers were zeroing in on the timeline of a meeting gnome called last year that included peters and key decision makers in a government agency that had moved days earlier to deny her application oh so here's the thing as

she's saying like she's gonna quit or like there's nothing to see here so i'm curious if she's trying to do that thing where like maybe you stole something but then you like you ditch it so if like people start looking for you could be like i never i don't know i haven't never really had it so maybe you don't have to care about this anymore like it's kind of like her energy here which is sort of like oh shit shit, subpoenas? Here's this other thing, which leads us to the next part, which he says, quote, I am writing you today. This is her writing to the Secretary of Labor. I am writing to you today to express my disappointment and anger that my good name and professional reputation continue to be damaged by questions and misinformation concerning the appraiser certification program. She went on to say that she would turn in her fucking appraiser license

by the end of the year. End of the year, though. Quote, quote, I'm angry and I can acknowledge that this has successfully destroyed my business. I mean, you hate to see it. It's a assassination. It's a character assassination. 100% of somebody who dared to be like this test is too hard yeah no 100 that is that's just an amazing like comedy

moment of someone sitting down to a test like that everyone's taking and just like stan being like yo this is too hard right i'm sorry what this is too hard or maybe you didn't prepare enough right i don't know i feel like it's like full streisand effect too by calling attention to it it's made it such a worse problem than it would initially be i love that white women are getting the boldness of old white guys in terms of like, well, little Tommy had a hard time on the geometry test. So I'm going to sue the school board. Oh, God. White women are a curse as a white woman, I would like to just say. And, you know, white women are exercising nepotism, too, like their male counterparts have been doing for so many years.

What a nightmare. I mean, look, I would love a little nepotism too like their male counterparts have been doing for so many years what a nightmare i mean look i would love a little nepotism there's a show there's a track that we just went out on recently called the mission and that's like this black singer sang about like how much he would yearn to have his kids experience a little nepotism and that's the mission but yeah this this defense again it's like how dare you point out that my mother abused her power of her office to make my life easier, all while the regular working poor people had to just do it with their bootstraps and also misinformation. For good measure, she threw that word in there. I'm surprised she didn't evoke the holy trinity of the right wing scapegoat trinity of basically being like, it's George Soros, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter once again

trying to ruin my business. But critical race theory, I'm sure. Oh, I forgot. And Tony Morrison's beloved. I mean, the stream of consciousness storytelling in that book completely

upended my business. I'm sorry, Your Honor, I'm an sat proctor this test is too hard this is not fair i object as this is not fair anyways just shout out to i i do i hope this does not dissuade anybody from subpoenaing the records and you know letting us know because i really want to see like the tests, what she turned in, what we're looking at, her first draft of trying to get this shit done. I want to see the questions that she got wrong. Yeah. So keep it moving for us, folks. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about schools. Let's talk about schools being unfair.

Yeah. Speaking of that. Because, you know, in addition to pouring billions of dollars into the sweatpant industry, the pandemic has changed a lot about how we think about schooling because parents had to do it, had to like sit there with their kids while they were trying to learn. It was very difficult. But, you know, at the end of 2020, it was very difficult. But, you know, at the end of 2020, there was an unprecedented rise in Fs, which, you know, it feels like that is one way to deal with, like, the fact that a complete act of God that nobody had any control over came in and made it much harder for kids to learn is to blame it on the kids and make the rest of their lives harder by just flunking them. But a bunch of school boards have been coming together to try to address this issue, figure out how they can change how we think about schooling and you know how we judge students in a way that

will be more fair and more appropriate to the modern world right because apparently like the the letter grade thing was invented like a hundred years ago or i guess 120 dating back to 1897 and the reason that it stuck is because it became like very common in the how we graded meat and so that's that's how it got like sort of oh so grade a beef grade a beef became such a wow put that over to grade a math skills right what is grade f beef that's my question like what is oh man my grandfather used to tell a funny story as the parent of german immigrants who didn't speak a ton of english that a bunch of kids would just lie to their parents about what the grading scale meant so it was like f was fine d was damn fine c was could do better. B was bad. And A was awful, which always sounds so funny. I mean, you know, it has a certain sort of a sense to it.

But kids won't be able to get away with that shit anymore, apparently. But the things that they're looking to change are basically they want kids to be judged based on how mastery of the skill they're trying to learn. Right. So if they have learned it well enough to do it, then they get by. If they haven't done that, then they have to keep going. But like, which I assumed is like how teachers were thinking about the letter grades too,. Right. Like that. Oh, well, they haven't learned math, but they're pointing out that like they're stupid things that go into somebody failing, like, you know, missing a class or not following directions. And so they're trying to do away with that sort of thing. Right.

I. Yeah. Go ahead. with that sort of thing right i yeah go ahead i mean all that shit did for me was just obsess over being and then like scoring above 90 on tests because that was a threshold for an a and half the time it was just i mean it was funny too because i think the letter i think because culturally i was so sort of oriented to be like yo these fucking a's better be hitting on this card when i see it that like it put into me like fuck i gotta do anything to get an a more than even being like i gotta do whatever it takes to learn this i just

became more about yo can i cramp memory recall the fuck out of this for a test and also truth be told i hated science i just started cheating in science because i was like fuck that i'm not fucking my grades up yeah i'll fucking i will i will order the teacher's edition of this physics book and do i have the test already so thank you it's so real though it's like you're not learning things you're just like let me learn the structure of the eyeball for this biology quiz and then not retain a lick of it for any future sort of like things but guys what about our permanent records it's gonna go in our permanent records oh my god i haven't even heard yo you fucked me up just saying that out loud this is gonna be on your permanent record y'all like this is gonna go on your yeah and it's like i never saw it did it exist i asked my dad

about this he said you were full of shit. And they're like, well, we'll talk about that at the parent-teacher conference. For any children listeners, not a day goes by where my permanent record from middle school is not dangled over my head by the police, by the IRS, banks. Employers, everything. The doctor. Yanks. Employers, everything. The doctor.

But yeah, so LA and San Diego Unified School Districts are directing teachers to, and this sounds like what they should have already been doing, base academic grades on whether students have learned what was expected of them during a course and not penalize them for behavior, work habits, and missed deadlines. It's like, yeah, motherfucker. That's how we should have always been doing

it because the school closures that happened disproportionately affected the grades of black and latinx students so right yeah i mean it's it's it's interesting too right and i'm sure there's plenty of alternative schools that take this into account because i feel like that's just a huge focus area for people in education but like i think it's like the stakes are just so high like they feel so high in this like a through f system that it will either create like kids will either very quickly be like okay fuck it i can like rise to this situation or check out because it just becomes frustrating you know and even if they can like i have so many friends who are more than capable of being in ap classes but like the momentum of like academia and like being sort of told like

you're kind of like a c student it's like nah man his parents were fighting all the time and he was distracted and couldn't do his fucking homework like other kids or whatever like that's sort of what's happening here you know who's not gonna like this mainstream media i feel like the mainstream media is a society of straight a students who got into that well and a lot of or a lot of f students go ahead and buy on nepotism right and you know who like actually think and i think a lot of, you know, just a lot of like the people in power in America will not like this because there is a belief that like, well, I went to a better college. And that means not that I'm I had more opportunities, but that I'm like actually smarter and need to like be in control and like making these decisions that affect other people because i need to make them for them like i that is definitely on like under girding like a lot of how people think and i think the media and the world of finance and like that's also how they justify just the generally fucked up way that our society is built out so right like the idea that what do you mean

i my kid can't get straight a's like that's but it's all this is a competition-based market i mean society that we live in i'm glad we've like started having this conversation about gifted kids and like that whole escalator of madness like i don't know if you guys like we talk too much about it on twitter i will say and there have been too many things in the sort of like former gifted kids do this but i don't know like i myself and a lot of my friends it's like yo we've been grinding since we were five like this is not fun anymore like i got all the a's i did all the right stuff i still can't buy a fucking house like i am taking a breather and smoking some weed. Like,

yeah, it's, I, I hope parents are like loosening the reins on some of that stuff too. And realizing that like, if every kid gets straight A's and every kid does all the right sort of like extracurriculars, like you're still in the same boat when things like COVID happens.

So I don't know, but I, I can like see the Fox news segment on this. Now it's going to be like, Like you're still in the same boat when things like COVID happen. So I don't know. But I can like see the Fox News segment on this now. It's going to be like tied to the war on Christmas. It's like the war on report cards. Yeah. Woke report cards. Report cards are now woke because it's even now too hard to hear that you have failed at something. Yeah, sure.

But I mean, I think it goes along with this other thing too. Like this, these studies constantly come out. Like again, they're showing like 43% of like Harvard, like white students that were admitted were like recruited athletes, legacy students or like on a Dean's interest list, meaning like parents gave money. And you're saying 43% of those kids going to Harvard

are there because of not, I'm sure of like the hardcore merit-based there because of not, I'm sure, of like the hardcore merit-based admissions that many of the other students face. But there's just always these levels to like, it's never the same scale applied to everyone. So it would be interesting to see where something where it's like, yeah, guess what? In this version, this kid too will be treated as a valid applicant to a school because we have a more just sort of holistic, even keeled way of saying like, yep, this kid knows it. This kid does too.

We are the best of the best of billionaire children. But so there are reasons to believe that this is a better, for instance, there's a school in New York City that tried this, basically did away with letter grades. And it was a middle school. And they say in this Washington Post article, quote, the approach has been transformative in the 2013-14 school year. 7% of its students read at grade level and 5% met the state's math standards. Two years later, 29% were proficient in English english 26 percent proficient in math pulling the school close to the city average just by getting rid of

these standards of pass fail and like the i also feel like there's like there are a lot of great teachers like i i've had a lot of great teachers i've also seen teachers who feel empowered because they get to be like pass fail oh i get to pass judgment on these kids lives that was fucking miss hecox i still remember your ass don't think we forgot oh but yes you tried but guess what i'm good at math so there's you can't hold me down there are some teachers that are just like straight sadists and you know to say not to malign the many many wonderful dedicated like this is their life's work as teachers of the world but you do think back on some of those teachers you had you're like what was your deal man like what was going on here like right i had this like older person

just take all their like life's anger out on me like legit when i look back and you kind of have the wherewithal to understand like human behavior a little bit more outside of like the academic or like child adult dynamic i was like yo you were so fucking unhappy with your life and you just got your jollies off and kept walking in here and just acting a fool. Like that was really that was the loop you were caught in. And unfortunately, we were calling you the teacher. Yeah.

But again, like you're saying, I've luckily had so many good teachers that like could tell I was maybe like starting to check out or whatever. I was just distracted. I'd rather fuck around or something. And they would always come like kind of, you know, gas you up like hey man you're smart like you can do this shit like just do it i'm like all right fine you got well that's such a problem with like contemporary schooling too is like we all have such specific ways of learning and retaining information and teachers have to figure out the 30 different styles of that for every kid in their class every period teachers should be making like 500 grand a year. Absolutely.

Yeah. They should be the ballers of the earth. Like if you go to a nightclub and they're coming through a bottle service and the fucking flares, you're like, oh, you know the teacher's in the building. There should be a bunch of ugly sweaters at the booth that those bottles arrive at.

Oh, yeah. Just like sipping the Cristal through straws. Yeah. Like shout out to all the teachers in the building. We got two for one drinks for teachers. Oh, I like this club. All right. We are going to take a quick break

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Like, so there's these studies just like the weed like things from working out will enter your body, which I understand. Like, there's always like headlines like that were like this computer algorithm invented the new heroin or like chocolate consumption linked to longer life. And you're like, I like that as a headline. consumption, links to longer life. And you're like, I like that as a headline. I'm not going to look into it much more than that because I like the idea that me eating this chocolate will extend my life. And then you look into it, you're like, there's properties within chocolate, like in this very narrow study when used this way had a better effect for like mice. And then you're like, well, that has nothing to do with me eating this gigantic Thanksgiving pie from Reese's. So in this sense, you know, it's like

this sensational mix with the scientific and it usually drives a lot of clicks because you like hearing things where it's like weed makes you smarter and you're like, okay, great. And then you look, you're like, maybe this wasn't the hardest of sciences, but this one was very interesting. It was just saying like red wine is like giving people like a weed type feeling. And this was the sort of subheading under this study quote, red wine is like giving people like a weed type feeling and this was the sort of subheading under this study quote red wine induces psychological states characterized by bliss a focus on the present moment an enhanced fascination with one's surroundings and a softening of the differentiation between oneself and the environment where when consumed in a tranquil environment, according to a new research study.

I said, oh, okay. This is the first time I've started to wonder, and it would be like the end of Usual Suspects when he starts seeing all the things that Kaiser says it was pulling. Oh, Kobayashi's on the bottom of the mug. Yeah, like, is there a big red wine? Like, is there a big wine that is putting all these studies out? Because I feel like all my life, all I've heard big red wine? Like, is there a big wine that is, like, putting all these studies out?

Because I feel like all my life, all I've heard is, like, red wine is actually, like, basically fucking health food, you guys. Yeah. It's kind of crazy that we don't let kids drink red wine because it would make them live till they're a thousand years old and make them smarter. Hey, Snoop Dogg, here's three billion bucks to say weeds the red wine's the new weed yeah okay for shizzle uh i guess it is red whizzle but yeah maybe there is big red wine oh yeah you know they were behind that this was like five or six years ago but i read i don't even know what publication it was in but it was about big kale and how kale suddenly became like a sexy vegetable again. And it was because they dumped like millions of dollars

into marketing kale as this like superfood when it had been garnish on like salad buffets. Pizza Hut salad buffets. Pizza Hut was the biggest consumer of kale. Take me back to a Pizza Hut buffet, please. For all the 90s because... With those red red cups yeah yeah just because they used it as the garnish in between like things on the on the there is a big red wine because they've realized to a bunch of like wine moms have realized that weed is like easier to deal with on a daily basis

than red wine it's the same thing like with rosé like rosé definitely had a huge push from i guess whatever their equivalent of lobbyists are but like you know their consultants who go out and like are like hey man it's all about rosé here we go but yeah so this study you're like okay i guess what red wine will make you feel like matthew mcconaughey where you're transcending space time and like your connections to oneself are enhanced so i'm like okay well what's the methodology around this exactly because again very interesting you know proposal from this abstract so you go in and say well what's going on the methodology fucking sounds like some shit i would have tried in the 11th grade because it's not really the

methodology isn't that great they essentially had people fill out a questionnaire at a fucking wine bar where people who not fucking love wine are already hanging out. And I just want to read it from this article. Quote, after arriving at the wine bar and being seated at a table, the participants completed questionnaires regarding their demographics, drinking habits and smoking habits. They also completed various measures of altered states of consciousness. The participants were asked to drink two glasses, blah, blah, blah. And then they said, after they finished their second glass of wine, the participants completed the measures of altered states of consciousness again. Now, I am not a scientist, although I always say I am on this show, and I apologize to listeners that have believed my science advice. But isn't it not good to tell people in a

study that like, here's the thing we're going to measure you on on the other side of this too. Like, I feel like you'll stealth it in the many questions or something so they can't quite pick up on what's being asked. So your answers aren't biased, but. Yeah, you have to do like double blind studies where, and usually like they'll lie to you about what the study's like. In a well-designed study, they'll like lie to you about what it is, like what that they're testing so that you're not thinking about the thing that they're actually testing. Right. This sounds like it is like already people who have a concerted interest in thinking it's cool and healthy to drink wine. Right.

Since they're at a wine bar. And then they're like, hey, we just want to know how cool and healthy it is for this wine. So that's what we're going to be asking you about. Right. It's like how I was able to crack the quantum physics wildest equation with the help of meth, as told to you by people who are addicted to meth. It's like, well, hold on. Who is this group now?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm way more interested in people who like don't drink or drink rarely having those effects like yeah if you're at a wine bar drinking wine you're probably having a pretty good time to begin with right not the most sort of sterile or like neutral venue for such a study but here here's the thing. You're like, okay, well, then what about the control group? There was none. There wasn't even a control group. And I'm going to just read, these people are airy. Like what? This is not, how dare people even post this as science quote. Some people may argue that the lack of a control group drinking non-alcoholic beverage impeded us to examine the effects of just being in a pleasant wine bar.

However, this is unlikely to have influenced the results because when we were doing the study, it was clear that for most people, sitting in a wine bar drinking a non-alcoholic beverage would have been a boring and average experience. What? What? Yo. Was the study designed and conducted by christine elm's daughter i feel like because we were doing this study really defensive in contrast the effects we observed were of a highly positive nature but because some researchers may not be aware of how boring control conditions with non-alcoholic drinks can be in these cases.

We would include one in the next study. Wow. What the fuck? That's bad science, guys. That's like your eighth grade science teacher being like, no, you did not do this experiment correctly. Please try again. Well, look, if you were there in the backyard, like doing this experiment, you would know that it's stupid, too. You wouldn't have even done it.

I guess I'll do it for the next one. Plus, they missed an opportunity because it's really fun to give people a non-alcoholic beverage and tell them they're getting drunk and see how wild they are. I mean, that really should have been it. You could have been like, people at wine bars are full of shit, y'all. Let me tell you why. Because we gave them fucking fucking juice and they said they were feeling one with the universe right no then they one of the sort of authors of the study just went on again just to kind of clarify like i'm not saying it's like we wines gonna do all this but it's just quote i believe that the appreciation of red wine and other alcoholic beverages can be increased when we are more aware of its effects

on the mind. It's also possible that being aware of the effects of alcohol on consciousness contributes to healthier drinking styles by reducing impulsive drinking that is characterized by a lack of awareness. However, research is needed to confirm this.

Okay, folks. We're out. Oh, man. So, the two things that they've discovered. People at wine bar enjoy wine. That's the first study. I did a study for that. Second bullet point.

Like, wine's pretty good. Like, alcohol's not that bad after two drinks. Just, like, don't keep drinking. Which, like, everybody knows. Like, that's a... Yeah, if everybody just stopped at two drinks just like don't keep drinking which like everybody knows like that's it yeah if everybody just stopped at two drinks that'd be great we wouldn't have the problems that we do with alcohol but that is not news to anybody right i know some people with some wine stained teeth that'll absolutely uh yeah be like i'm talking about this stuff i feel like wine became the new beer of like because

it was beer in the 90s was the like oh i drink but i like drink on the lighter side of things and then it switched to become wine i don't know i quit drinking a couple years ago because i have a bum stomach and it is fascinating to like be in a bunch of contexts where people are drinking and like some people are legitimately horrified that you like don't drink anymore. Right. Guys, it's not like it's not a personal affront to you. I just like I have two beers and I throw up like that's not fun. No, no. You're saying I have a I drink too much.

Right. I'm like, I'm probably high right now. Like I'm not making a judgment. Right. Yeah. That is interesting to see who who really gets upset when you're not drinking. Because it's so like baked into the fabric of so many things. And it's like, you know, you hear people be like, oh, well, I can't do that till I have a couple drinks or like, you know, I need to get a little toasty.

And you're like, do you? Not until I've had my wine. Yeah. Really? Okay. All right. And finally, I just wanted to every once in a, we like to check in with Netflix to see who's watching what. And they just issued a overall list of the top TV that's ever been available for streaming on Netflix and the top films that's ever been available. And yeah, I would love to hear, Kate, your thoughts on this. The big takeaway, the big update is this is post-Squid Game. And so the previous high had been Bridgerton at 625 million hours viewed. And now we have Squid Game season one at 1.6 billion. Wow. So it's almost triple the previous high and like the second most watched show. So like everything else is pretty much

where it was last time we checked. I don't see too much that's new. You, it seems to be. Who? Me? Yeah, you. All right, you are running up the charts. Yeah. Wait, hold. I'm not on Netflix. Wait, hold on. I was on Netflix?

Laura, give it a fucking rest, okay? Alright, white power. So, I guess I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on trends you're seeing broadly across the types of screenplays that are being greenlit and written and like, I don don't know it seems like a socialist critique of capitalism like resonating with audiences like globally level like what has been a revelation to a lot of people like we're

we're writers already on the case do you think that that is going to be a new trend or what are your thoughts on all that i mean let us hope so i do think it's incredibly fascinating that like the number one netflix tv show of all time is an international show that like i'm not saying nobody in hollywood would have taken a chance on but like the creator has talked about he got passes for like 10 years and then suddenly it becomes this monster hit on netflix and i think it's a good lesson in being like fuck the trends like fuck what everybody else says like make the thing you want to make and make it well and like the audience will find itself i am i'm really interested

that netflix is sort of switching their metric from the like two minutes watch to like what is it now an hour or like half of whatever the thing is yeah it's not old facebook style yeah the like two minutes watch you're like yeah that's like i went to get a drink after my thing ended and two minutes of red notice played i did not watch red notice like that the red notice that is wild to me though that they're saying what is it 74 million households watched red notice because like i don't know anybody who did um but yeah you know i think it's an interesting time for content i am hoping we keep on this trend of like at least in the immediate future i don't want to see any media about covid like i don't want any topical like oh it's like of the moment we're like we're like all the people are like oh guys but during trump we're gonna get so much good art like we did not folks we did not

get a bunch of good trump art there's that one x files episode that was like literally it but yeah you know it is interesting like i think people are craving more of this sort of like feel good escapist stuff like if ted lasso comes out two years ago i don't know if it has the same sort of reaction it does in the pandemic when everybody is home and like on the other side of that coin i don't think everybody is like feeling bad watching five episodes of tiger king if they're not like immediately quarantined but i don't know i think the thing that's most exciting about streaming to me just generally is that we might see a little bit of a bounce back

in these sort of middle budget movies that have been really swallowed up in the theatrical. It's like you're either going super indie awards route or you're going huge tentpole for a studio. And there have been some things I feel like that have been popping up on streaming that are a little bit more in that middle zone.

So that's definitely exciting to me. Like Bird Box, I guess that was kind of a... There were a lot of effects and it had to create a post-apocalyptic reality. But it wasn't pre-existing IP. And it wasn't... An extraction is just basically a straight down the middle like action movie that used to be made in like the 80s and early 90s but not really so much anymore yeah the extraction when there is fascinating to me that that's like one of the most watched movies on the platform and then the

irishman which costs a ton of money but like it's all on the screen too so you're like yeah okay like martin you get to happy birthday short king mart, Martin Scorsese yesterday. But yeah, I think these trends are going to be really interesting, especially as people like Scorsese are making like, you know, $100 million movies for Apple, which is his next one. Yeah, I think, you know, I don't know. Like, sometimes I feel good when

I'm depressed to watch something like really feel bad and nihilistic. But like, I don't know, after the last couple of years, you're like, I don't know how much brain bandwidth I have for anything let alone something challenging yeah it's gonna make me feel terrible right so i will just watch another episode of fake off yeah do you like think do you think that there's because i i've been wondering if we're not headed for a like time when conservative like in the 80s you know conservative media was kind of a thing or like the Reaganism was kind of a thing do you foresee that or like have you seen any trends towards that in like the screenplays are getting

made or like just anywhere like regressing a little bit in that sense. Yeah. And I mean, I think this moment that we're in, in terms of this like new satanic panic or like all of the shady shit that's been going on around credit card companies and banks and sex workers and the sort of like, you know,

crush to, to make everything like, I don't know, more palatable for all audiences or like I don't know I notice this all the time on Twitter like people being like I had a hard time with this piece of media so it's like inherently terrible to portray this subject because it was triggering to me which I think is an interesting conversation to have but I also don't think we can just like dismiss media wholesale because like it was upsetting to us like

you know a very specific person i don't mean in the sense of like you know chappelle making the trans jokes that's a different conversation but like you know the shitty boyfriend in this thing reminds me of my former shitty boyfriend so the whole thing is bad and we should cancel that like that's a different different line of thinking but yeah i mean i think you'll get to see some of these like new conservative movies um like what's ben shapiro doing like that whole hero hero school shooting movie yeah it's a it's a no thanks for me folks but yeah i mean the thing i always point to with this is like you know there are a bunch of those like inspirational jesus-y movies that get made every year and they seem like they fly under the radar. But then you look and you're like, oh, this movie cost two million dollars and made 40 million dollars.

And I've never heard of it. Like, yeah. So I don't know. We're fucking up. We're leaving money on the table. Yeah. You know, we could write the fuck out of a Jesus movie. That'd be like, this is one of the best ones I've ever seen. Yeah. I know how to keep it holy. You know, I could write the fuck out of a Jesus movie that'd be like, this is one of the best ones I've ever seen.

Yeah. I know how to keep it holy. You know, I speak the language. I was indoctrinated for K through 12. So, yeah, I'll stay in bounds. But yeah, it's going to be interesting. I feel like, you know, this sort of like, like all the parents who were outraged about Disney putting like, you know, sort of content warnings on some of the more problematic older movies and stuff.

I don't know. Like I, you know, at what point do those folks totally give up on like traditional media and start doing their own thing because it's too biased or too woke or whatever. But yeah, I don't know. I don't see those Disney adults giving it up.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Right. So it's religion. It's religion. Yeah. I mean my my thing is that the way that they've taken like the legitimate complaints of you know people of color or you know people who are poor and people who like don't have enough money to have health care in america like the way they've taken those is they've like made it into like conversations about like warnings on disney movies and i think by doing that they are making

like that those initial legitimate complaints seem ridiculous and so that's what that's where my area of concern is is that that that becomes the mainstream thought people have when they hear woke or they hear anything coming from the left. It's like, oh, you just are worried about content warnings or whatever. And I think they're kind of succeeding in doing that. And I'm a little worried about that. Yeah, I don't know, too. I think we have a real problem in American media right now in terms of how we're exploring class. I don't know, too. I think we've had we have a real problem in American media right now in terms of how we're exploring class. Like, I don't know, like, my favorite movie is Pretty

in Pink, right? Nobody's idea of like a great cinematic masterpiece. But you think about like that movie at its core is about class and about rich boy, poor girl and how that affects their relationship. And like, growing up in the 90s, we had things like, like you know like Roseanne or like a different world that were sort of like delving into class and how it affects people's lives and we're living in this incredible moment where like a lot of folks are getting wise to the fact that the system is and has been screwing us for many many years and you would think that we'd be seeing more media sort of address those big class divides and I think something like Squid Game shows that people have a real appetite for it yeah that's right yeah yeah but you're like why aren't we

making more of this like where is the sort of like today's roseanne because like i you know look i i think that as many like terrible conservative people as there are in the world i think about like my dad's family who's like you know a bunch of Kentucky coal miners but have voted democrat every election like have always leaned liberal it's like there's nothing that represents them like there's nothing that sort of speaks to being like you know lower middle class or working poor in America right now when that's the reality for a lot of people and there are ways to do that that it's not like eating your vegetables and not just like social realism. I think that's like why Southside is a fucking it's like almost flawless and that these people have normal fucking jobs. And it's very centered in the fact that it's not like, hey, we made it to Hollywood and now we're famous.

So now we can just write from our experience now and leave all this other shit behind. I think that's like one of the things I love about Southside is that it really, you're like, oh shit, this feels very like working class and it's touching on like what just the day-to-day would be, although very heightened for comedic purposes, but it's still centered in like that world rather than I think you look at most shows now, it's like people who live in impossible apartments

with impossible incomes and there's no real talk about it because it's about the it's about the struggle with the characters and right while also feeding people this idea it's like well why aren't you rich like these people on the screen it's the difference between like yeah they're most shows just take place in a world where money there there is no financial reality so like it might as well like not have gravity like that's how like just off it is it's just pervasive like carrie lives in like an incredible apartment and or like any amy sherman paladino shows yeah like her shows are like that too or i'm like i'm sorry does she where's the child care for this woman's kids if she's out doing open mics all the time like where where's that discussion but the like shows like, shows like Atlanta and Squid Game, like, feel, you know, revolutionary just by being like, no, money's a thing.

People need it to survive. And that is a central conflict of their lives. And I think that goes to say, start empowering creators, writers who, like, are coming, drawing from that experience rather than like, I feel like so many people now get in the habit of like, okay, well this is what's popping in the industry. This is what I, I'll try and do on spec or whatever,

rather than like creating more momentum and say like, Hey, your story about being a fucking janitor or whatever, that's valid. And guess what? More people do what you do than our Kendall Roy. Right. So we all need escapism. Like, I'm not arguing that. Like, yeah, that's fine.

All that stuff can remain. We just need more of the other side, more of the like counterweight. Because, yeah, I think a lot of people would appreciate like more sitcoms, more movies that are like speaking to some actual real problem shit than like, you know, another another superhero origin story. And, you know, it may just be like sort of at this moment where they the they have people have to be aware of the level of class consciousness that's existing in the content because it tends to have a really potent effect on somebody watching like Squid Game. People went, damn damn that's just wild they got killed over red light green light and then by the third episode people were like

comrade i am ready to fucking bring the capitalist system down because it connects these things in a very real way and i think and if i was some you know uh whatever if there if the illuminati exists type person uh the people who are like looking at what is happening in the world, you'd be like, yeah, content like that actually has a lot of communicative power. But yeah, will we invest in that? I hope we do.

More Squid Games, please. We need it. Less Squid Game parties hosted by Chrissy Teigen. Just completely missing the point. Like, yeah. Oh my God, this is so fun. Dying in this capitalist hellhole. What a great time

with my girls. Let's play pogs for your organs. Oh my god. We'll have real poor people at my party. Yeah, and they're legit poor people. It's crazy. They smell and everything. Okay.

It's been such a pleasure having you everything. Like, Oh, okay. Okay. It's been such a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? Yeah. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at that Hagen girl, T H a T H a G E N G R R L. Um, you can find me related to blacklist happenings.

I'm on a bunch of podcasts. Yeah. Pop over on Twitter. That's probably where I'm most active still, unfortunately. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? You know, we've been talking about weed a lot this episode. And there is a meme that's been going around that is, if you're ever sad, just remember the world is 4.5 billion years old and you somehow managed to exist in the same time as the weed pen, which is so true. It's a good...

Imagine telling your 17-year-old self you would have just like a cool weed vape that you could smoke anywhere. I have three outfits in my car to change in and out of to smoke on my way to my minimum wage shop. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. And also catch the other show, 420 Day

Fiance. Speaking of weed, where we talk about 90 Day Fiance, that's Sophia Alexander and I. Some tweets that I like. first one is from dana bad it's from dana donnelly's alt account yo you just doxxed her bro no it's it's it's on there in the bio come on now come on now i mean or maybe not maybe you didn't get it when it said bad dana dana bad is the handle for that and damn for an alt account already almost got 50k followers keep your eye on her speaking of weed i'm getting

an eye exam and i was like i smoked weed before this will that affect my results and the optometrist was like why did you smoke weed before this it's 12 p.m okay i guess she's not about this life yeah it feels right and another one from uh connor wood at fibula f-i-b-u-l-a-a don't really drunk text but i'll have two coffees on an empty stomach and send the most humiliating message of my life before 10 a.m oh shit let's see you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien a tweet i've been enjoying uh josh gondelman tweeted if ebenezer scrooge existed today he'd have a wife half his age and spend christmas on a private island and never even think about the cratchit family Josh Gondelman tweeted, if Ebenezer Scrooge existed today, he'd have a wife half his age

and spend Christmas on a private island and never even think about the Cratchit family. Plus, the ghosts would get doxxed by his Twitter fanboys. Yeah, man. There's no way he would ever come into contact with the people who work for him. Like, get the fuck out of here, Scrooge. Nah.

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Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? This is a new band that I just stumbled upon from, I believe, I want to say germany let me just confirm that yep leipzig they are called muito cabala power ensemble and what they do is

like a very interesting they sound like if like kids in europe only listen to like morning becomes eclectic on kcrw and then start a band because they're all like these german guys but they're playing the fuck out of like afro beat like funky sort of samba like their foundation is very much built in like world rhythm like world music very rhythmic music so when i first heard this little opening like plucked bass line i was like oh this is fucking nasty so this is a track called mamari m-a-m-a-r-I, by the Muyto Cabela Power Ensemble. And it's just good instrumental music. So, you know, take that into your weekend.

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