The Daily Zeitgeist - Rest In Pillows, Boppenheimer > Barbenheimer 07.12.23

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

In episode 1513, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of Ruined, Alison Lieby, to discuss… My Pillow Guy Has Entered the FIND OUT Phase, BIG Masculinity is KING Right Now in Politics, The Orb - Is a Concert Venue Brought To Us By James Dolan, The Barbenheimer Phenomenon, Explained and more! My Pillow Guy Has Entered the FIND OUT Phase BIG Masculinity is KING Right Now in Politics The Orb - Is a Concert Venue Brought To Us By James Dolan The Barbenheimer Phenomenon, Explained Barbenheimer Barbie Heimer Shirt BARBENHEIMER EXPLAINED: YES, PEOPLE REALLY ARE MAKING OPPENHEIMER & BARBIE A DOUBLE FEATURE WB Wants Christopher Nolan Back, Pays Over $1 Million Bonus To Win Back Director Christopher Nolan Rips HBO Max as “Worst Streaming Service,” Denounces Warner Bros.’ Plan Can Warner Bros. Restore Its Movie Glory? Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy Want Christopher Nolan Back, Will Prioritize Theatrical and Take More Big Swings Christopher Nolan isn't happy 'Barbie' will premiere the same weekend as his film, 'Oppenheimer,' sources say LISTEN: Things Don't Always Go The Way You Plan by FlumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 295 episode 2 of der daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, July 12th, 2023. You know what that is? National Pecan Pie Day, or Pecan Pie Day, depending on where you grew up. National Simplicity Day. I don't know what that is. Paper Bag Day.

Eat Your Jell-O Day. National Different Colored Eyes Day. And Malala Day. Okay. I'm on board with... Shut up, Malala.ala yeah i'm on board with pretty much all those things paper bag simplicity pecan pie jello different colored eyes my mom's specialty growing up was derby pie which is pecan pie with chocolate chips in it oh highly recommend yeah my mom's derby pie i've never had it from anyone just from having her cookies alone i'm like i'll I'll eat anything your mother makes.

She's a wizard with the chocolate chips. You know, her Thanksgiving turkey stuffed with chocolate chips. Chocolate chips. Incredible. Secret ingredient, chocolate chips. You haven't lived since you've had a turkey thigh just injected with chocolate. My name's Jack O'brien aka bananas o'brien oh i had a weird banana experience this morning where i opened a banana it like felt stiff

but it wasn't like not ripe stiff it was like ripe but it was stiff and then when i started breaking it apart in my kids cereal there was like like a wood. There's like wood in them, like a stem in the middle of the banana, which has never happened to me before. So I don't know. Let me know what's happening. Yeah. Produce gang. Pull up. What happened with this banana?

I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray, a.k.a. Tuna Roundsite Baby. Picking out the turtle shells. Tuna Roundsite Baby. Picking out the turtle shells Eat tuna round zite baby Picking out the turtle shells I eat tuna round my baby And picking out the turtle shells

That's obviously a take on Bulls on Parade by Rage Against the Machine Plus my love for Subway Tuna Which they say is turtle maybe I don't know I believe it's just tuna that's been so Cooked to shit that all the genetic Information has been just destroyed And they don't know i believe it's just tuna that's been so cooked to shit that all the genetic information has been just destroyed and they don't know what it is but anyway shout out to

lacaroni on the discord for that and yeah obviously shout out subway tuna most importantly miles we are thrilled to be joined for the first time by a very funny tv writer producer stand-up comedian whose one woman show oh god a show about abortion, was on Broadway last year. No big deal. It's Allison Leiby! Allison! Hello! Sadly, off-Broadway.

Oh. It's okay. I don't know if abortion and Broadway go as quite together as off-Broadway. I missed the off in the description. That's okay. But it's great. Is that like a big thing in Broadway where people are really

going to come? I get that there is a difference, but at that point, you know. No idea. No idea whatsoever. I'm just like, well, it wasn't a musical. Right, right, right, right, right. Which, I mean, if somebody wants to write an abortion musical, I'm here to help you. That would be great. allison you're in new york i am in new york

yes sweating my way through new york right now it's so hot here yeah it's like it you said it's 90s 90s i was out doing a wga abortion rights picket today because it's fun to kind of combine all of the nightmares that are plaguing our current culture and try and fight them all in one two-hour window so I was outside marching around and now I'm just very happy to be home and talking to you guys from my air conditioned apartment yeah how what's the what are the vibes of the WGA east uh you know the crew's pulling up in New York because we see it all that I want to. What's the New York picket life like? It's it's it's it's the New York.

You know, it's I think that I haven't been to an L.A. picket, but I've been to all the New York or a bunch of the New York ones. And it's exactly the same discrepancy between New York and L.A. and every other element of the entertainment industry. It's like lower key celebrities, like everybody's carrying their coffee around. Like, it just feels like I'm like, yes, this is the New York side of the WGA. But I did get to meet Mandy Patinkin a few weeks ago. And that was a thrilling appearance to be a part of. We love Mandy around here. He's the best.

Yeah, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good appearance. Yeah, there's some good ones. Is Drew Carey also paying for meals on the East Coast? Is someone doing anything like that for y'all? They've had food trucks and stuff pull up. And I think there's a couple of restaurants around town who offer a WGA discount if you have your membership card. But we don't have very many game show hosts here who have just been rolling in cash for two decades.

So I don't know if anybody is down. Also, just like New York, I mean, the food's so expensive. Drew Carey's like, look, Bob's Big Boy is one thing. Right. I can't handle Russ and Daughters or something. It's like, oh, my God, if Russ and Daughters would hook us up, I would be forever thrilled. I feel like the night like the 90s is when the garbage starts, like something gastronomical starts happening to the garbage juices. Yes.

Like it creates a garbage stew and yeah you can kind of smell it everywhere have you smelled anything interesting it's a smell like it like compares to nothing else they're really like hot garbage is just i think that most people don't even really understand what it smells like unless you've been in new york when it's 95 degrees or you know what i've smelled it in la i'll be honest. You just have to be on the wrong street corner at the wrong time. Yeah, for sure. Totally. It's more pervasive in New York. Yeah, it's just you can't escape it. It's just too small of

an island to possibly outrun a smell. When I lived there, there was like a month where my entire neighborhood smelled like maple syrup for no reason that anyone could explain. I remember that. Yeah yeah and they found out it was like um winds were blowing wasn't it from new jersey preservative factories and like the

process like it was like you know the place where they make like vanilla extract or something oh so wait so we did get to the bottom jack would always talk about he's like you always bring this up about the maple syrup but there was an actual The government wants you to believe it was the preserve, but I think it was ghosts of some sort. Yeah. Yeah. Pancake loving ghosts. Right.

All right, Allison, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. We're going to check in with my pillow guy what's he been up to he was he was everywhere there for a little while yeah how are things working out for him let's check in yeah there's a big masculinity push happening in politics right now i feel like it's a dumb thing to say like idiocracy was a documentary but it truly feels like in this moment politics is trending in

the direction of like wwe wrestling like everybody's just like trying to be the stronger bigger person we're gonna talk about the orb in in las vegas because i can't stop thinking about it you really fucking can't stop thinking really fucking got me man so just just a little backstory and uh future story of like what what it's aimed at who who's behind the orb it's very sinister and we will talk about the barbenheimer phenomenon the phenomenon of barbie and oppenheimer coming out on the same day why are they coming out on the same day. Why are they coming out on the same day? And just the craze that it has caused. They've sold 20,000 double bills. Like 20,000 fans will be catching a double feature.

Hell yeah. It's a long day. That is a long day. It's a long day. Like the filmmakers are like publicly on board, but I feel like that's the worst way to experience one of those movies whatever comes second is gonna be grueling it's like you know what i want my for people watching my barbie movie is for it to feel emotionally grueling that would be wild to chase barbie like

i always say following barbie up with oppenheimer is a true test of your mental fortitude, I think. Because I didn't realize Oppenheimer's three hours. Yeah. No, these are like... And Barbie's 154. We're calling that two. Two. That's two.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You go Oppenheimer first, Barbie's going to feel real long. That extra 24 minutes after it hits the hour and a half mark, you're going to be like, yo. That's what I'm saying. I think Oppenheimer after Barbie, you'd completely lose all sense of time and where you are on Earth.

Yeah. Oppenheimer before Barbie, never thicker. You know the old saying. But before we get to any of that bullshit, Allison, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I yesterday was looking up the public pool hours in New York because I'm a huge, huge, huge advocate of going to the public pools in New York City because everybody's like, I mean, ew, gross, the public pools. Like, I'd rather go to a hotel. And I'm like, OK, but the pools are run by the city and have like really intense guidelines about how clean they have to be and you know who doesn't have those guidelines any hotel um i don't know if any hotel pools are getting cleaned in the

way that the public pools in new york are so i am a huge fan they're freezing cold if you live in new york they're super they're like because they're like cooling centers like they're for people especially if you don't have air conditioning in the summer. They're also the location of a lot of the free lunches that get, you know, for students. So in the summer, you're not in school. That's where they do it. I love, love, love the public pools, but I was, I've never gone early enough to know what time they open. So I was like, I guess I should find out. And it's 11, which I think is a little close for me. So I don't know if I'll ever get there at opening, but noon feels right. Right, right, right. Did you grow up in New York?

In New York? No. Yeah. I grew up in Maryland, but I've been here for 16 or 17 years now, which is crazy because I'm 20. God, you're so mature. Just kidding. I would never want to be 20 again my god um oh yeah some of the most chaotic times in my life uh okay because i was because like la the pools in la are just because of the ambient heat not always like super cool but you definitely cool off but then we also just have like all those like splash parks now, which is basically the equivalent of like an open fire hydrant. But in a like foam ground area to make it safe for kids. Yeah, for kids.

I love the public pools in LA though, too. I used to go swim in those when I lived there. They're the best. I love pools. I guess that's something about me. I love pools. It's unique. I've talked before on here about how my first job out of college was as a pool boy at the Soho house,

the roof deck of the Soho house when that had just opened. And I was in charge of just to your point about them not having regulations. I was in charge of like the chlorine levels. Also, yeah, they were like, like there was, I had somebody who like knew more about it who checked with me every once in a while but i was like doing the ph testing and yeah and was in no way equipped to do that i had to like pull a drowning kid out of the pool one time i went there i was there during the blackout of what whatever year that was 2003 yeah 2003 and everybody like came to that pool it was a tiny pool it was like yeah halfway between a pool and a bathtub yeah it's like the size of a couch but everyone thought it would be a cool place to hang out and it was like milky by the end of it oh yeah because i didn't know what I was doing. They just like put

whoever's up there in charge of like the chlorine levels. Yeah. Because like on the other side, like in Vegas, their pools, like if you open your eyes

under the water, it will just strip like membranes from your like eyeballs. So yeah, your eyes will turn like five shades lighter. Yeah.

You just have white walker eyes after you open them underwater. What is something Allison that you think is overrated? Okay, this is a hot take. Uh oh. Hot take for a hot day. Frozen drinks.

I think like, I love a frozen drink. I think it's a fun, but like I feel like I never taste the drink that I'm getting when it's frozen because what you taste is cold. I would rather have a drink that tastes like what it is and maybe is chock full of

ice. A really icy... I would rather have a great margarita on the rocks with a ton of ice than a frozen margarita because I love the taste of a margarita. It's like super tart,

delicious, but I just think frozen drinks like are not, they're not where it's at when it comes to taste. Oh, because like the little bits of ice are just kind of

fucking up your taste Yeah, and I think it's like such a shock to have like so much ice in your mouth at once that like, I think it does like numb a little bit

of your taste. This is me not being a scientist claiming this but like i do think like your mouth is tasting cold like you're like you're so you're tasting cold which like great there's times i totally want to taste cold yeah but most of the time i want to taste alcohols did you have something recently that that kicked this or was it a margarita was it a frose was it a frozen paloma i really love a paloma i recently chose a rocks margarita over a frozen one when presented with the option and i

feel like i was met with a lot of kind of shock by the people i was with because it was hot outside but i was like i want to taste the lime and the tequila and like that's what i'm getting the drink for right right right yeah because i think sometimes if the ratios are wrong it is like hint of flavor with ice shards or like eating a bunch of snow or something but yeah yeah exactly so that's you know not not probably not a popular opinion what about a slurpee you know we just going to say. Is today Slurpee Day? Oh, right. It's 7-Eleven. Yeah, you get a free one. Oh, shit. Am I near a 7-Eleven?

Uh-oh. Someone's wheels are turning now. I'm like, how do I get a 7-Eleven? Like, I love a Slurpee. But again, like, I think those first few sips are colder than they are flavorful. Yeah. Once it kind of melts a little bit, then you're getting more of the delicious chemical syrup that makes a Slurpee. Yeah, but to delicious chemical syrup that makes such a special american drink it has to be like 90 sweeter than it would otherwise because it has

to break through the overwhelming like the mouth feel that is just like i have snow in my mouth yeah and i do like when you drink a slurpee and i think other frozen drinks are similar like there is an ability to kind of like suck up suck up all the syrup and flavor, and you're sometimes left with, like, a lighter color. Like, I'm thinking of when I've drank, like, had a Slurpee, and, like, then you're starting to see, like, oh, I'm sucking all the stuff from the bottom, and then you're just left with this, like, you know, the concept of a flavor, crushed ice, and, like, and I, you know, it's like, I want the whole thing. The LaCroix flavor? Yes, the LaCroix flavor. Slurpee-flavored LaCroix. Someone three rooms away says blueberries. I'm like, that's what the flavor is. crushed ice and like and i you know it's like i want the whole flavor yes the look slurpy flavored la croix someone three rooms away says blueberries i'm like that's what the flavor is right so yeah

i think i think you know there's a place and a time for something frozen i do love a good slurpy but i think they're overrated yeah across the board frozen a glass of rose better than frozen yes 100 and you'll get drunker faster. And isn't that what we're all after when we're having frozen alcoholic drinks? Truly, truly. So, frosé, I guess, probably missed me. Yeah, that's like the last five years. Do they serve it in the, you know, it's got the like swirly thing that's stirring it constantly?

It's like the new thing, especially in L.A., because of the heat. It's like there's frosé. There's like frozen frozen palomas everywhere there's froze for groanies i've seen yeah it's like that's like the opposite of what a negroni is supposed to like be about i made frose at home a few years ago right total class three kinds of alcohol i made frose at home a few years ago it's super easy too like you could just right buy cheap rose and make ice cubes out of it and then blend that up with a little more wine and suddenly you have frozen wine there it is what is uh something you think is underrated um i'm gonna stick on a food kick here since i brought up drinks parmesan goldfish i don't know if people encounter these wow very often they are

harder to find um i have a bodega near me that does keep them sometimes i just poured a bunch in my mouth before we started recording this actually but it's just a nice like it's subtler than cheddar but it's like a little more interesting than just like a plain cracker right they're terrific i if you see them they have a green package yeah get the parmesan goldfish i'm such a goldfish purist like i don't even eat the flavor blasted ones like i've tried them overwhelming yeah they're a little i'm like i'm a kid at heart who just remembers like the big carton being poured into my wax dixie cup for snack time yeah i just always want to like recreate

that but i've always i've never i don't think I've ever had the Parmesan one. And I see it all the time, but I'm ignorant. I'm rigid. They're like albino goldfish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. They look very natural for sure. Very nuanced flavor.

Very subtle. I am going to try them now. I've always steered clear. Oh, no. Because I've always thought it unnatural. It does feel like, one, you know, goldfish are supposed to be neon orange and these are not and two like you know parmesan is just like not a flavor I associate with a snack food that's like geared towards children like I don't think of like kids being like is this parmesan or pecorino

like you like they don't I don't that like very like nutty earthiness is not something I think kids are like really chasing after but I'm an adult and I love them. This is the goldfish for your charcuterie board. Absolutely. Do you have the Grana Pajano goldfish? All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back to talk about some news. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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We're back. And the MyPillow guy, we love him, don't we, folks? Oh yeah, folks. We love him. He hasn't really been in the news much lately. No. He just kind of quieted down for a while. But he does seem to be firmly in the find-out phase of fucking around and finding out.

Yeah. So, you know, he had quite a run during the Trump presidency. You know, he went from wacky racist loser that sells pillows on TV to wacky racist loser that sells pillows on Fox News segments. Right. He moved from the commercials into the actual segments. To Tucker Carlson.

Has anyone ever done that before? I mean, honestly, that is a glow up. That is a huge glow up. Game recognized game and show business. Look, you went from being the person who was paying to be on the show to just somehow being on the show because you're willing to say whatever the fuck was going on and his love of trump was the engine that drove him upwards and ultimately the catalyst for his professional implosion and that never happens with people who partner up with trump it's so weird when it usually ends with you ascending to the highest heights of our criminal justice system.

But he's been one of the most vocal proponents of the big lie, and he did countless live streams. We talked about the conventions he held and where he was like, I'm going to show you guys the real thing that's going on here, and it never came to fruition. And none of that happened. And his boner for upending democracy has also cost him his business because multiple big box retailers and websites have decided to no longer carry MyPillow products. He says his revenues have fallen by about $100 million. Now, yeah. Was he making that much money? Like, I'm just so confused by that business. Like, was it really successful? Yeah, apparently. I mean, let's see. I mean, you can't really believe successful yeah apparently i mean let's see i mean you can't really believe anything he said but let's see what was what kind of revenues are they're making in 2019 17.3 ish so i don't know what a hundred means it sounds like a bit of

hyperbole but it did go from a milk like a multi-million dollar business to now he is trying to liquidate all of the equipment and furniture in his fucking factory he's recently listed more than quote 850 surplus equipment items on an online auction site k-bid sewing machines industrial fabric spreaders forklifts even desks and chairs are up for auction i mean not only that he's had to find find like shit for his employees to do because business has slowed to like a fucking halt. Some people he moved over to like his online marketplace where they saw all kinds of crap. And some have been like shifted to his addiction and recovery business. Like, I don't know how you go from me.

The chills. Yeah. I get my like bowels goosebumps. Oh, yeah. You're like imagining his addiction and recovery business like yeah exactly and then having like someone who was working on making bad pillows be like in charge of anything they're giving you your methadone like what's yeah i don't know i mean apparently like he's like he said he's worried like you know if some employees might leave because they don't like what

they're doing now yeah that kind of makes sense he said so far he hasn't had to fire anybody. I don't know how true that is, but this is all while Dominion is suing him. Dominion voting systems is suing him because of his participation in all the election lies for $1 billion. And this other thing that happened recently, another court ruled in arbitration that he had to cough up $5 million to a software engineer who won a contest called Prove Mike Lindell Wrong and Win $5 Million. Put on by Mike Lindell, who said, I dare anyone to go through this data set and show me that there's no gobbledygook malarkey going on. This software engineer proved that and said, where's my five million? He didn't pay. And now the court says, yeah, motherfucker, you have to pay him.

And he called the ruling frivolous. Oh, my God. Has anyone slept on a MyPillow? Has anyone ever seen one in the wild? Is it actually a good pillow? I'm so curious as to like what it's like like is it a regular pillow is it a memory foam pillow like i don't understand what he was selling to start with yeah i remember when when he first came on the scene like people

saying that it's more of like a marketing machine and a pretty unremarkable pillow yeah there's no way it's good and bad pillows yeah I just he doesn't also give me the kind of vision of someone who understands sleep like yeah

he seems like somebody who's awake 24 hours a day on speed like him and Trevor just like alright let's do this. And truly, like he's been open. He's like, yeah, I used to smoke crack. And now I'm in recovery. And I know a little bit about pillows. And you're like, I don't know if you're like a guy with a push brew mustache is the one.

I'm like, yeah, yeah. What about pillows? Like I'll ask him about like, I don't know, seat cushions for like truck drivers or something like that. What's good for my spinal spine and neck health but i wonder what got him into the pillow game to start with such an odd business to try and break into i vaguely remember when we were first covering him like his origin story had something to do with like him being up for like days at a time and like that having something to do so he's like so I know pillows because I've like tried to

sleep while going through withdrawals or something along those lines apparently he like he sold up some bars that he owned and mortgaged his house to I guess he apparently hand sewed the pillows himself in the beginning

and handled all the sales with some help from his family. Hand-sewed the pillows himself. No, he didn't. Yeah, I don't know. That's complete bullshit. But this is where, but it's a grift, because at the end of the day, he was going on Fox talking about, like, you got fibromyalgia, you got MS, these pillows will help without any support, like, scientific evidence.

And so that was how, momentum started going where people like, these are like the pillows that you need when in fact they're just. Just regular old. Just pillows. You're just buying election denying pillows. But yeah, you know, you hate to see it folks.

He's gone from, you know, one of the, one of the best we had on Fox news to now selling industrial fabric spreaders on an auction site. R.I. Pillow. Yeah. R.I.P. for Pillow. Rest in Pillow. Rest in Pillow. He does seem like one of these people who just was able to lie successfully for 15 years in a row, just full breaks, full all gas, no brakes on like just i lie and like keep getting richer and it just he just wasn't able to like switch to a different gear and it

just like drove over a cliff so you really have to feel sorry for him folks yeah i'm saying here he was blinded by his own privilege he didn't know what he was doing he was getting away with it for so long that's not fair taking out a mortgage on your own house like starting out in a fucking garage hand creating the product like steve jobs started out in a garage just like melding together the different parts for that but like these are all bullshit stories that are in every person like every successful company's origin story and it's always like the truth is like they took out a loan from their dad or their dad's rich friend you know uh-huh yeah a guy i met golfing if you're looking for a massage table he's also selling massage tables apparently

no no no why what were those five bucks what were those a part of? Were they personal? No idea. Business? No idea. No idea who used them and for what purpose. He's like, it's just mine, but you can have it. I need five bucks. God, what could his addiction and recovery business be like? He just seems like a person who, like, in recovery seems to fully embody the drug he was abusing like which i don't know how you pull that off necessarily yeah i'm not sure does it have a

does his recovery program have a name like i kind of need him to have every business he starts of which i assume there's going to be many over the years be branded as my blank. It's called the Lindell Recovery Network. So who's got his name on it? It's an addiction resource organization. So it's probably another grift where I don't think they're probably like, here, we'll connect you with a group of businesses

that we can also profit from if you have the misfortune of coming to this website looking for help. Oh, are you addicted to crack? Do you need a forklift for cheap? Those are the two things we got for you. We'll throw on a forklift for you. Yeah, you know, like, I mean, we could do some therapy to kind of get to the root of your trauma,

but I think you just need a massage table. Like, for real. Work out some of those kinks. You want to buy some Stanzo brand fedoras? Yeah, exactly. They stink, but they're great. They're stanzos, man. Gotta take them all.

You gotta take all 20 massage tables. Sorry, there's no deal. The deal's gonna be tearing up mine. There's fucking no deal. All right. Big, like, kind of embarrassing feats of masculinity, of, like, insecure masculinity masculinity seem to be having a real moment right now just generally like with elon musk and mark zuckerberg getting most of

the attention with their like i'll beat you up no i'll beat you up my mom says i can't beat you up so let's compare our penises did his mom sign off on the comparing penises thing yeah apparently it was her idea why don't you show how big your penis is elon just like we said don't fight just pull your penis out yeah that's i've that's how you always solve your problem she should have told her husband that yeah then we wouldn't have to deal with elon musk yeah it's also it's bleeding its way over into politics of course yeah and i think you'd argue that that's it's been like this since trump took over the party where like you know josh holly we saw him be like i'm like where's my book about being a man but yeah like right now right we saw

we talked about rfk jr looking like he was pumping weight in the fucking prison yard and like, whoa, shit, RFK's fucking ripped, FK. And then we also, there's Governor Asa Hutchinson, who's also running. He recently just casually bragged. He's like, yeah, I'm 72, but I still play full court basketball. You're like, okay, fine. Like, we get that. Have you seen him ball?

He's actually like really good. It's crazy. No, I want to. Could you imagine that dude i wish i could play asa hutchinson i would twist his ass up so bad and i'm not even that good at basketball but i know he is he is not that quick uh so uh there's vivek ramaswamy uh who is like the 37 year old gop guy running he's like been he's been making it his thing that he's like so i'm so good at tennis I can beat former collegiate tennis players.

He recently described his, he even had to say this, put this quote on wax. He said, I'm probably about the level of somebody who was, I don't know if they were a division one college tennis player, but they were like maybe five to 10 years out. Like seriously, he's saying that like on his like, you know, stump stops as he's running for president. That's his whole platform. Yeah. Just that.

Yeah. And then we have Miami Mayor Francis Suarez is also running. He's the latest to talk up his ball sack by bragging about how he crushed a 5K race. He said, name another presidential candidate who can play sixth in a 5K with a 24 and a half minute run time go which led a lot of avid runners to do a bit of quick maths on twitter um point out he was basically doing about an eight minute mile time like which is good that would be really good for me that'd be good for me but like i'm not bragging about it yeah i also run for president that's what people do after thanksgiving like yeah that's

before thanksgiving dinner exactly okay you kept it up for for three miles but then a lot of people said you actually placed 87th overall and you placed sixth in the 45 to 49 age group specifically there were 10 people in that age yeah and then other people were like pete budaj actually run a hat ran up a half marathon at this like people started clapping back in all kinds of ways and then one of ramaswami's staffers even hopped in to brag about their boss's running prowess which then led suarez to challenging ramaswami to a fucking jogging duel jogging yeah this is so this is which is all to say we are firmly like in this era where the projection of power is like more important than actually knowing what the fuck you were doing as a legislator. And whether it's like shooting machine guns in your campaign ads or challenging other candidates like a push up contest.

I know Biden was like, let's do some push ups, Trump. It's all just a proverbial you know dick mission contest and i think a lot of why we have such like manly figures at the head of both parties biden and trump yeah yes paradons of health which which is what most people are saying that like this is probably because the fact that both parties aren't thrilled in the fact that their front runners are far from their prime in terms of physical fitness that now this is becoming the new currency especially in the gop to be like okay yeah i'm obviously younger but like check out my sick forehand on the tennis court like what yeah also like bragging about the things

you do that are like physically i think be healthy do things you want to do but i'm like how much time a day are you doing politics and how much time a day are you doing exercise like that i'm just like i don't know like you look at rfk and i'm like good for him whatever he's in good shape but i'm like you're old how much time did it take to get that ripped and like 17 hours a day anything else with that time i don't trust it i mean in a million reasons i don't trust him but like right right right it's just such an odd thing to really bring into i mean we know why because like masculinity is of course the only quote-unquote way to be powerful but it seems so odd to not ever consider political prowess as something that any of them should brag about no completely it's just like how what's your mile pace in a 5k what and it's not even like i get

eight minutes is nothing isn't this is great but it's not even, like, I get eight minutes is great, but it's not like this guy was like, he's like, I kept a six and a half minute mile time up for three miles. Then you're like, oh, okay, maybe. I don't know why. It just reminded me of, like, my mile time in high school when I hated to run the mile and I was like, the best I ever did was

like seven minutes. So, I'll hold on to my best performance at 16 years old and compare that to a 45 year old adult yeah yeah i'm better i feel like first of all like we we've seen this well we've seen this with like the liver king and like people online who are just selling an image of the steroid enhanced image and then claiming that it's from like eating naturally but like we've also seen it with like just how horny trump is for like big muscular arms like yeah he just always loves to reference i'm curious like if there was a gop candidate who like just started wearing sleeveless shirts

and was like pretty jacked like yeah what that would do to the polling like it would immediately make him his vice presidential president. I know, that's what I'm saying. I'm just curious because no one is necessarily an overtly giga-Chad, super mask dude who's in the race. Are you assuming that

DeSantis is going to drop out? Did you not see that ad? What I'm actually presuming is he's about to tear those sleeves off at his next press conference. He's like, it's getting a little hot in here, huh, folks? And just has like the stringiest arms. But we'll see. We'll see.

But I feel like that would really fuck Trump up. There's a picture of him wearing shorts with like a long-sleeved shirt on the beach. Yeah. We've seen him in a short-sleeved shirt with a vest over it, though. I mean, he's shown us what he's got. What's under those white boots? Exactly. He's shown us what he's got what's under those white boots exactly he's all calves he's all calves yeah he's got legs like daikon radishes i don't really even know what that means that's the thing we say in japanese

which is like have you seen a daikon radish i'm gonna look here i'll play it or not play it this is a daikon radish yeah oh yeah yeah just the chubby little yeah just say like yeah you got like a unicath you call that a daikon like anyway so i'm bringing my own culturally toxic phrases to this show that you can spread around with your friends but this is a way we've talked about how we like see different ways that the 80s are coming back with the last time that fascism was this openly embraced in the United States. We were, of course, obsessed with bodybuilders, became our movie stars. Cocaine was everywhere.

And those have been two of the stories in the past, I think, week that cocaine is super popular again. And now even politicians feel the need to be, like, jacked. I know. Like, some would be like, I was actually an envoy for the U.N. to the Taliban. They're like, yeah, which can you bench? Shut up. See those triceps.

Because that's going to do what? Tries are for the guys. People know that. That's where the respect comes from. When they see you with that horseshoe tricep bro it's over it's over for trump all right let's take another quick break and we'll come back and talk about the orb i'm into this orb you guys i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Heard of it? Ever heard of it? I just went for the first time as an adult a couple weeks ago. Did you see the orb? Yes, but it wasn't as up and running as it is now. I was there in May, so it wasn't

turned on? It hadn't reached its full power. I was turned on seeing the orb, but it wasn't turned on. I was kind of turned on seeing the orb, I have to say. You i was kind of turned on seeing the orb i have to say like you were vibrating yeah it is i was when so when it was in sight on the horizon or like in you know like in sight line of where we were in the city i was looking at it when we weren't i was showing miles pictures of it from like on my phone i was like yo but look at this or i'm like

yeah from earlier when we looked at the car like yeah but this is a picture of it from like on my phone i was like yo but look at this i'm like yeah from earlier when we looked at the car like yeah but this is a picture of it this is a picture of it this is a video you can kind of see that and i remember i think when we were leaving the thomas and max center was like jack dude look the orb and you're like where you're like yeah i was so excited it is i don't know it it just makes the vegas skyline or i'm assuming it's going to show up in a lot of other places but it makes everything around you look photoshopped they're like all these weird what is the orb even because like i've just all i know of it was like that it was an led display that's just gigantic like hemispherical thing. But what? Yeah. Does anything happen in it?

Walk us into a horror world. Yeah. So it's not open yet, but it's coming. And it's going to be a concert venue where the, you know, so U2 is on slate to be the first show and do a big weird show that involves Bono holding a handheld

camera up to his face and then the whole city of Las Vegas needs to see it. That guy loves to be like, look how big my fucking face is, you guys. He's on an orb. But yeah, so they have that planned. They also have, they're working

with Darren Aronofsky to show, I think, one of his movies, which I have to imagine is The Whale. But I don't know. Hey, check out Requiem for a Dream in the Orb tonight. In the Orb? Which seems like the sort of thing that's going to make James Cameron so jealous.

Right. When you say like show a movie like on the outside or on the inside like if you're just like driving through las vegas where you're gonna be like oh cool black swan like is that right like well being that that is one of the objections people that is one of the objections people have is that like it is so strange looking like you there's you know you're looking at a skyline hazy buildings and then somebody has photoshopped this like high definition basketball just sitting there like slowly spinning like you could just reach out and pick it up like with the eyeball was yeah the eyeball was really crazy the moon was really cool but yeah so it's but people are objecting that that's

like a huge distraction to drivers like who are already distracted also right on this trip I imagine that a lot of people treat Las Vegas the way I did for my first visit as an adult which is I was on drugs the whole time like I was just popping edibles

and sipping on wine and had my friends and i went to go see rod stewart for my 39th birthday and it was the best thing i've ever done it was so much fun he still got it he's still got it he's out there he's performing he's dancing he needs a lot of breaks but he's doing it um but like i was already 15 seconds he's like i'm gonna sit down um no but he's still dancing he still hits a lot of the notes okay but like just the colors and the lights of everything else in las vegas was overwhelming to my gummies in like filled brain i was like oh no i'm overwhelmed in every way that i could possibly be and i don't know if i was stoned and saw the orb i think i'd explode off this planet

i just wouldn't be able to like deal with anything anymore because there's like a jake the inside of it in the venue will also just be a big screen right like a 16 led screen 16 000 led light screen i don't know what that which wraps over and around much of the audience that's an augment the concert experience with trippy animations or close-ups of the performer no no i think they feel like 16k as in four times 4k like resolution like there's 4k the resolution there's 8k and then there's fucking 16k because that's how many k's gigantic and well high definition that shit's gonna be yeah that is the thing it's just the highest definition giant thing that you've ever seen seems to be like what its trick is but i don't like it i'll say i don't i don't like it and i do you know i want to have yeah i want to have the drug freak outs

in there though just to just experience that when it's like and now it's turned into a t-rex mouth and i'm like no no no no, no, no, no. But at least I want to go through that just so I can have that experience and then I'll run out into the street screaming. I didn't even like seeing the Luxor. I was like, are we in Egypt now? What's happening? Overwhelmed.

Too confused the whole time. Yeah, it is really disorienting. People should go at some point before it is no longer a thing that is possible or as miles suggested maybe it is just the future that we're all going to be living in where you like walk from one building to another inside air conditioned corridors while the outside is completely uninhabitable that sounds right and you need a 16k definition orb screen

above you to recreate the sky so you're like i'm outside but i feel like every city is gonna have one of these within like 20 years like you think so you think the or the sphere the orb is the way of the future i think so i think i think like this is going to be the first little piece of like blade runner technology that's going to make everything around us seem super fucking surreal and like yeah just like mess with your depth perception i'm like no thanks yeah right right right right well i welcome the orb the i mean we're gonna to. I don't want to say anything bad about the orb now. Right. We should have known when Trump went to Saudi Arabia and they gave him

that orb. Yeah, we're living in the orb, the period of the orb. Oh my God. This is our orb era. Yeah, we're in our orb era. Oh, well, invest in orbs, folks. Yeah. The orb is actually brought to you by James Dolan, the owner,

inheritor of the Nix and the Madison Square Garden. Yeah. The Orb is actually brought to you by James Dolan, the owner, inher probably the biggest contributions to music New York has ever made. You don't really see them quite yet, but they're they're coming. Yeah. And yeah. Oh, man. They probably are. Like every every billionaire will have a band with just like embarrassed looking. Well, like what's the musicians? Wait, Jack, what's the over under on J.D. in the straight shot?

James Dolan's band being like one of the first bands to perform there or have a fucking residency at the orb because they're definitely opening for you if he's if because like he's forced people at madison square garden if they want to do a show there that his band will open for the show he didn't force anyone the eagles wanted him to open for them because they respect him as a musician i'm sorry allegedly um so now i can see how he'll be like oh yeah i mean like you want in on the orb jd and the straight shot we're opening yeah how about that but it's like privately traded like they spun it off from their company it's its own thing now it's it's very weird and surreal and all feels like it's out of a sci-fi novel that hasn't really been thought through very much.

Yeah. It's just like a very half-baked idea. Just a bunch of orbs? Yeah. I don't know, maybe like some orbs or something. They look like they're right there, but they're not. Yeah. And then there's concerts.

Yeah. And then there's concerts and Darren Aronofsky films. I feel like James Cameron has to be so jealous of this. Like, for sure. Like it's, he's probably shitting on the orb. For sure.

You know what I mean? He's like, oh, that's, you think that's novel? I, I actually saw Titanic with my own eyes, you know,

like he's like, fuck all, fuck out of here with this orb stuff. But then secretly he's like, I want Avatar to be played on the orb. Yeah. should we talk about barben heimer please are you guys what do you have plans for seeing these films that you've like laid out as of yet or no but i will see them i will see both of them in theaters i don't feel the need to turn it into an endurance event but amnesty is reporting that more than 20,000 fans

will be catching a double feature of both movies on July 22nd. Presumably followed by an immediate cat scan. I mean, I don't like being... Aside from being asleep lying down, there's nothing I want to do for five straight hours. Are they taking a break? I want to do for five straight hours. Like it just, are they taking a break? Like,

I want to know what showings these people are seeing. Are they taking like an hour to like go outside and like refocus their eyes? Like I leave a movie theater and I'm like, I better just go back into the dark for a while. Right. Do you get a discount even? Or they're just saying they know that people have been buying, like they can just tell people.

They just tell by people. Okay. I thought AMC is also like, Hey, you want to really kind of fuck yourself up we're selling double features to barbenheimer hop i mean the internet's doing that for them yeah yeah for sure people have created like amazing movie posters barbenheimer yeah with there's this one that we'll link off to in the footnotes that'snotes. That's really cool. I saw someone refer to it as Boppenheimer, which I think I prefer. Boppenheimer is fun.

Yeah. But are we giving enough respect to the Barb part of it by giving it Bop? The fact that the B is the iconic Barbie letter. I'm reading it Boppenheimer all in Barbie font. I like Boppenheimer better too and also better like it feels more fun barbie is kind of bopping around out there so it kind of feels feels like it evokes barbie even more than barbenheimer okay so we'll go for boppenheimer from here on out yeah but terrific the internet is settled on barbenheimer because you can create a t-shirt that is split directly down the middle and has Barbie on like just on one side and Heimer on the other. So the merch sells itself, folks.

It really does. Truly. Now, call me when they make a doll out of Cillian Murphy or Cillian Murphy. I never know how to say his name. Yeah, we found out it was Cillian. It really fucked me up. I've been wrong all along. Makes him seem more sinister. Yes, say his name. Yeah, we found out it was Killian. It really fucked me up. Wow. I've been wrong all along. Makes him seem more sinister.

Yes, it really does. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, so totally different, obviously. The only thing they have in common is the release date. And so I have a feeling that people, I don't know, I could be wrong. People, like the early reviews for Barbie are coming out like the word of mouth reviews. And they're like, it's a blast.

And it's like really fun. You would think that Oppenheimer would be the blast. Am I right, folks? All right. We'll end the episode there. Thank you. I'm out. Showbiz rules. I'm going to leave. So early reviews. This is from something like talking about

the first barbie screening early reviews called the film bombastic and a triumph and praise the craftsmanship of the costume and set design as well as the nuanced commentary of the script that displays the highs and lows of the existentialism of Barbie and Ken's lives. So, like, that confirms to me, like, if there are existential questions being asked, I do think people in setting up this dichotomy are, you know, they're overestimating

how much Barbie is going to be just a straight shot of, like, pixie stick sugar, you know? Like, they just think it's going to be pure pink glitter and that i just don't think gritta gerwig and you know noah bomback co-wrote it with her like that doesn't feel like their vibe like he's never been a good time at the movies i feel like and so i'm sure there's gonna i'm sure on its own maybe people would be like

yeah but it's like really fun and stuff but people who like see oppenheimer and then barbie are gonna be like oh this is also like dark that might fuck you up yeah maybe you have to chase it with bar like oppenheimer like you're like fuck it yeah and then you're like yeah man this is where i because i'd imagine you watch oppenheimer and you're like what did he open the door to yeah and then you go to like Barbie when you're like and you still have that in the back of your mind you're like oh yeah it's like what is the existence of being a woman or a man in our culture like I do feel like Greta Gerwig is gonna pose some pretty heavy questions I think with Barbie and do you guys think there's an ideal

order would you go one if you had to see both of them in a double feature which which way would you do it i feel like most people say chase barbie you're chasing oppenheimer with barbie because that's at least less on its face about the dawn of atomic weapons true so but i don't know part i've always said like let's just go all in like just watch barbie get your mind ready for the three hour what like just mind fuck that oppenheimer could be so i i'm saying personally i would chase barbie with oppenheimer i don't know why but that's you do barbie then oppenheimer i think i would i think i would do this also like i'm personally more interested in the Barbie movie,

so I would want to be fresh for that one. And I don't know. I think I'm going to get Oppenheimer, even if I'm half paying attention. Right, right, right. You don't think Christopher Nolan's a subtle filmmaker? He's already out. There's no CG in this film.

We know, dude. We get it. We always do it and i know you're really proud proud that you made a mushroom cloud organically like that without cg but also no one's gonna care the only thing the only thing that like got me just because of my like i don't know i just i'm i love like the movie making kind of magic kind of stuff was someone showed the imax print of oppenheimer, the three-hour. Oh, I saw that. It's 300 pounds. I think 11 miles long or something like that. That's crazy.

Yeah. That's I'm like, wow. That's the length of Manhattan. Yeah. End to end. Yeah. That's great marketing. See?

Yeah. And then just be like, and that translates into three hours of your day. The only thing is, I just don't think physically I'm capable of actually doing a double feature like that. Yeah. I don't think I can. It's too much. As much as I say that. Like, I just don't think physically I'm capable of actually doing a double feature like that. I don't think I can. It's too much. As much as I say that, I don't even know if I could do it

consecutive days. Maybe a Friday then a Sunday, or maybe just one week then the next. It's been a while since I've even watched movies that close to each other. I also can't go five hours without talking.

I'd be like, I want to talk to someone right like also that's the thing is like after i think either of those movies the point is you want to talk about them like yeah after i see barbie i want to like go to the bar with my friends and like spend two hours talking about the movie and i think oppenheimer i'll probably have something to say after it yes yeah it's it's it's a tall order tom cruise made the the boppenheimer thing official because he did his like i love movies god damn it how fucking great are movies everyone thing he tweeted out this summer is full of amazing movies to see in theaters congratulations harrison ford on 40 years of indie i love a double feature and it doesn't get more explosive or more pink than one with oppenheimer and barbie and then like tweeted out a picture of him and i don't know who that is next to him maybe christopher mcquarrie holding up the the tickets

to prove like we've done it we're gonna really to really do this damn thing. And then Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig did the same thing with like standing in front of the Oppenheimer thing poster with just smiles on their face. Like, yeah, they're clearly being like, we're Tom Cruise. It's going to be so fun.

So the theory, cause I haven't wondered this. I've been like, why did they do this like it's like chris nolan's pissed there's something that came out today that said like he's been telling people that he's not happy with the sharing the same release so this is his first movie that's not with warner brothers he his whole career has been with warner brothers there was the tenant thing where you know it didn't it came out during

the pandemic he insisted like it had to come out in theaters they did that and like nobody felt comfortable going to movie theaters really and so like it just did bad and then they released a bunch of movies simultaneously on hbo max and he shit all over them and said, some of our industry's biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed the night before, thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio, and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service.

Oh, shots fired. Calling it the worst streaming service feels like a little petulant. They're all jockeying for first place at all times right i like how you're like whoa whoa let's not come at hbl max leave zazlov alone we're big zaz heads here so then he took this film over to universal and people are speculating that because barbie is warner brothers and like mid-july is known as like when christopher nolan movies come out and everybody just clears the fuck out and doesn't release anything around then and warner brothers was like we've got a we got a

winner here with this barbie movie and fuck you christopher nolan is the working theory ah so i like that the proverbial atom was split so to speak yeah and here we are huh huh interesting publicly he's saying someone was like i told him my theory that barbenheimer was born through the complex history he has with warner brothers and he said now you know i must now you must know i'm not going to answer that question he said with a chuckle only to say those who care about the theatrical experience we've been longing for a crowded marketplace with a lot of different movies that's what theaters have now and those of us who care about movies are thrilled about that um that statement was written by tom cruise and then according to no but it just feels like it feels

like he took that directly he was reading from cruise yeah it's just reading from a tom cruise quote but then like sources familiar with the matter said nolan wasn't nearly as diplomatic in a stance behind the scenes they told insider he was upset that warner brothers dated barbie the same weekend as oppenheimer especially since mid-July has been known in the movie business as no weekend. It's my weekend, Barbie. Shut up. Like a 25 year old girl having a birthday. Yeah.

My weekend. Yeah. It's like that Kim Kardashian thing. You took my wedding country and my wedding singer. Like, oh, my God. Full. Shut up. Now I hope Barbie puts a smack oh, my God, fool. Shut up. Now I hope Barbie puts a smack on Oppenheimer.

Yeah, me too. Yeah, go cry. I think it's funny, too, because I used to be like a former Nolan fuck boy who was like, yo, dude, he doesn't use CG. Dude, he's the fucking sickest shit ever. And then after a while, it just really wore thin on me. And I'm like, hey, I don't know. I haven't even seen the last few films that he's made.

You didn't see Tenet? No. I don't know why. You didn't see Tenet either. All right. Sorry. I'm going to blow your mind. Think about that word.

It's the same forward and backward. The fucking palindrome? What the fuck? Oh, all right. Now I'm back, dude. This guy's fucking genius, man. Wait till I tell you about a website called Kayak. Oh!

Whoa! A man, a plan, a canal, Panama. Damn. Go hang a salami on the lasagna hog. That's my favorite. Oh, is that? Go hang a salami on the lasagna hog. It's the longest palindrome that I know.

Wow. That's a pretty good one. It'd have is the longest palindrome that i'm wow that's a pretty good one you'd have to be a palindrome measuring contest if fucking nolan just knew that palindrome that's what he would have called the freaking movie it would have been a success we wouldn't be in this mess i'd buy a ticket to see that movie with covid going on wait what is what is it again i'm so what is it go hang a salami i'm a lasagna hog. Wow. What would that film be about? If he really went there, it's about like a,

I think it should have been the exact same thing, except the secret code word for the mission is go hang a salami. I'm a lasagna hog. But it's about off and completely humor project. Yeah. Amazing. Well, Alison,

it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you follow you all that good stuff um i am on instagram and twitter still allegedly um at allison liby a-l-i-s-o-n-l-e-i-b-y i'm on tiktok i don't post i'm just there lurking and um you can listen to my podcast ruined which i do with the very funny Hallie Kiefer, who I think has been on this show possibly. And if not, maybe one day. Where we, I'm afraid of horror movies and I never, ever, ever want to watch them. They terrify the crap out of me, but she is obsessed with them.

And so every episode she tells me the plot of a different movie that I refuse to see. So if you love horror, she's like a student of the genre and such a talented storyteller and so funny. And if you don't like horror, but you want to know what happens in these movies, this is better than reading the Wikipedia entry, which I had been doing for years before we started doing this. So that's ruined.

And you can find us at ruined podcast on social media and wherever you get your podcasts and we're owned by crooked media, which we love them. Yeah. I love having video games described to me. I don't play them, but I love having described to me. There's something like really nice about that or yeah.

Like having a movie plot, like even if it's ruined, I don't give a shit. If I watch it, I'll forget or I'll enjoy it. Anyways. Yeah. I just,

I don't, you know, I just like information. Yeah. Right. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? A Twitter and Instagram account that I'm obsessed with called DaShareZone. Are we familiar with DaShareZone?

Oh, yeah. I've never related more to any human or entity the way I relate to what this social media account does. It's like art that someone makes that's like very like skeleton forward and uh and then there's writing over it and it's always pretty it's pretty like pro-union and anti-doing anything right and the one that i saw today that just made me be like i have to talk about this says i'm pretty sure all i need to fix my life is a cool sword and i'm like yeah that's great i love that but yeah with all the skulls yeah with all the skulls and like a lot of like a lot of it is like steal from work who cares it's like yeah that's great i love that message it's really fun

um it really just genuinely makes me laugh every time i see any of the posts yeah yeah highly recommend a great follow there you go miles where can people find you is there work media you've been enjoying? There's another one that says, do you want me to quit fucking everything up? Me too, bitch! I get very apologetic. I'm self-deprecating. That's so stupid.

Find me at milesofgray, wherever they got at symbols. That's including threads, where I'm actually slightly more engaged there as i talk to people i went to high school and explain what i do for a living uh and also find me you know oh find me on my new podcast which actually comes out today called the good thief it's about it's a true crime adjacent podcast it's about this guy vasily's paleo costas who is like legit looked at as the greek robinhood

he was kidnapping millionaires and giving money away and as a result became interpol's most wanted he's like one of interpol's most wanted fugitives and the whole podcast is about learning about the man behind the myth and in search of him to maybe try and hear from this legend himself so if you don't mind giving that a subscribe and a review, I would really appreciate that, Zeitgang and all listeners, as I take a dip into the more traditional podcast space. Again, in Find Us on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack got mad. Boosties!

And also my 90-Day Fiancé podcast with Sophie Alexander called 420-Day Fiancé. Let's see. Tweet I like. It was just kind of stupid it's at steven ray morris like an old tweet that i saw andrew t like but it came up on my timeline it's it's just looks like a like a brontosaurus like looking longingly out of a window of a car as it's driving it says taking my dog for a nice drive today the image of it just really looks like a dog just kind of looking out the window yeah that's great

uh shout out to shout out to the brontosaurus brontosauri some tweets i've been enjoying cath barbadoro tweeted kind of cool how am ryan gosling's ken we have the positive version of a method actor becoming the joker every pr quote from him is incomprehensible. He went to method for Barbie and now his brain doesn't work. People like that is the thing. The initial response to the movie is like he's fucking incredible in this. Yeah. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah.

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information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what is a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, we're going to go out on another track. I think we did a song off of one of the flume mixtapes recently but uh this is another one uh called things don't always go

the way you plan uh it's featuring injury reserve it's just kind of a dope or no this sorry sorry sorry this is the titular track off that album i was referencing another song uh but yeah check this track out it's uh it's just dope i've just dope. I've always liked Flume many years ago, and I didn't realize how much music is still being made. So just a little bit of electronic, chaotic production for you as we enter the weekend slowly. I know it's hump day, but we're getting over that hump right now. We're getting there.

Gentle glide into the weekend. That's good. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending.

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