The Daily Zeitgeist - Retail Revolt! Britney Wants Out! 6.23.21

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

In episode 936, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Niccole Thurman to discuss Trump not wanting the Speaker gig, Joe Manchin's voting rights compromise, retail workers quitting at record rates, The NY Times article on Britney Spears' conservatorship, NFL Player Carl Nassib coming out, and more!FOOTNOTES: Trump Wanted His Justice Department to Stop ‘SNL’ From Teasing Him Trump has 'zero desire' to be Speaker, spokesman says Obama Comes Out in Support of Manchin’s Voting Rights Compromise Retail workers are quitting at record rates for higher-paying work: ‘My life isn’t worth a dead-end job’ Britney Spears Quietly Pushed for Years to End Her Conservatorship Britney Spears Asks to Address Court Overseeing Her Conservatorship Raiders’ Carl Nassib Announces He’s Gay, an N.F.L. First LISTEN: Tirzah - Sink In (Official Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 190, Episode 3 of their Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. And I'm Jack. I'm Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. And I'm Jack. I'm Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I'm just Jack. I host with Miles of Grey. I host with Miles of Grey. That is courtesy of Soltis, Hannah. Hannah Soltice. Shout out. I actually never really knew that was by Flock of Seagulls.

I only knew Flock of Seagulls from, yo, Flock of Seagulls, you know why we're here? Right. Beginning of Pulp Fiction. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray, now batting at the top of the order, number 420 for the Valley Dodgers. It's Hideo Noho.

Thank you so much. Not been on social media too much recently, but I had to dig deep for the old school, a.k.a. You got that Valley jersey behind you? The Valley Lakers? Yeah, it's causing a lot of problems. Number 818? Oh, really? You post the Valley shit on a Laker jersey and people are like, yo, that's for Phoenix, man.

The fuck is that? It's been like five far. What? Because it's the, you know, that graphic is from the Phoenix Suns jersey that says the Valley on it. But when I saw that, I'm like, man, there's only one Valley. It's the San Fernando Valley. So let me put that shit on the Laker jersey and represent from my fucking town. And it's funny because one half I was telling Carl Tartt

because he had some shit to say too. I was like, look, it's funny, man. Like everybody in the Valley that I know, they are like knocking my door down. They're like, how do I get that shit? And everyone else is like, this is trash, man. What is this? So it is what it is.

But you know what? Always rep where you're from. Is there like a regional specificity to who reps the Lakers versus the Clippers? Or is it just all Lakers everywhere and then like some Clippers fans? Again, in my life, it's the contrarians that ended up being Clipper fans. Your Carl's tart, for instance. Well, because even then, like growing up in the, you know, like our first memories are the Showtime Lakers.

And then the Randy Fund years were absolutely abysmal. And, you know, that's when I think the real ones hung on. Obviously, the Kobe Shaq years brought more people. But, look, there's no geography to it. It's just, you know, you get down how you want to. I'm just saying, man, these Phoenix Suns fans starting to feel themselves a little bit. Like, they can come at your neck for a jersey thing.

I mean, they can, but... Just for uh for a jersey thing i mean they can but just because they're about to win the championship for people yeah for people who you want to who get upset i just say you know what i can never get mad at someone being proud of where they're from and that's all that is there's nothing to do with the suns just being me being proud you know of san fernando valley child barring an injury that's that's my pick is the phoenix sons okay uh well we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by someone who didn't know they were on a sports podcast uh they are a very funny and talented actor and writer you've seen on keenan and indebted and a black lady sketch show and shrill and the movie desperados which we loved here on daily zeitgeist

please welcome nicole thurman what's up how's it going dance hall welcome welcome thank you i love that i like doing that sound when i'm introduced it's yeah i walk into a room you you really went to parts of your voice i think to honor like the timbre of the horn sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to hit the timbre. You got to get that. Yeah, exactly.

Got a great ear. You got a great ear, Nicole. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I know you're L.A. based. Where are you from originally? Where'd you grow up?

I'm originally from Kansas, actually. Oh, okay. Just outside Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas. They're kind of all the same place but yeah I lived there my whole life my middle name is Dorothy so it was just a weird coincidence because my grandma's name is Dorothy so I just got stuck with her middle name and I'm from Kansas

the Wizard of Oz was inspired by you guys not the other way around oh yeah 100% yeah we definitely gave them some tips and some notes yeah what's something we don't get about Kansas? What's something cool about Kansas? I just feel like everything is

cool about Kansas and people don't understand. Also, people a lot of times think that I'm from a farm or a small town. They'll be like, oh, then this must be crazy for you living in LA. I'm like, no, it's not crazy for me. All these lights. Are you confused right now? Have you ever been to a strip mall before? Yeah, I've been to a fucking strip mall before. Have you been to a fucking strip mall westfield mall they're like yeah they own all the malls in the fucking world

exactly oh okay okay cool cool yeah it's a lot of that i feel like that's that's the thing is like i i'll usually describe it as just outside of kansas city so people understand that i'm not like a bumpkin from tumbleweed town but it's like even, even if I was, you know, no hate, but like I am not so please. But yes, I think it's a, it's a cool city and like downtown, the downtown area has gotten really more residential and there's like a little light rail and people are,

you know, walking downtown and doing a lot more down there now. So it's like, it's a pretty cool city. Nice. My question I always like to ask when people are, you know, they have a hometown,

they go back to what's the food that you can't, you can only get in your hometown or the thing that you desire. Maybe you can get it other places, but the thing you desire when you go home. You know, what's funny is, well, it's like barbecue is Kansas City for sure. But I've never been like a huge barbecue person. The first thing I thought of that was outside of that was this sandwich place called Mr. Good Sense. It's just like a shitty sandwich place where you can get subway style sandwiches, more or less.

They just have a good sandwich called the Penny Club. It's got a little roast beef, a little turkey, a little American cheese. It's like trashy sandwiches, but they're really good. I don't think that they have them anywhere but Kansas, I'm pretty sure. What's it called? Mr. Good Sense? Mr. Good Sense, plural. Sense. Oh, okay scent but yeah like scent like a like a penny okay oh it's good so that's what i always get when i go back there it's just like a regular old sandwich deli fresh

snubs that's right so i like to see that's what i like to ask that's why barbecue is good too but yeah that's just i don't know i'm not that into I've never been super into it. So I don't have like a spot that I go to. Sure, sure. I like this. Yeah. I do like that you referenced strip malls as the number one feature of L.A. People being like, have you ever seen this many strip malls together? So many strip malls. I know. I don't know why. I love L.A., but that's what I think of. There's a lot of those, I feel like. but that's what I think of. There's a lot of those, I feel like.

You're like, oh, I'm going to go to, like, what was that restaurant, Toi Familia or whatever it was that was a really nice restaurant that was in the middle of a strip mall? You know? Toi Mec. What's it called? Toi Mec.

Yes, that's it. The one that's like by like Raffalo's Pizza is like the Raffalo's Pizza sign is still the thing. Like when you go, you're like, is this the restaurant here? Exactly. And everybody was talking about

how it was this amazing restaurant. And it was really good. But yeah, it was right in the middle of this weird strip mall-y type place. And so, yeah, that's what I. Yeah, there's a second floor strip mall sushi place that I really liked in Santa Monica. Like second floor strip mall is usually like dentist or like. Or magic strip store. Yeah, they're not trying to get any foot traffic.

It's just like for people on a mission. Yeah. But they had good sushi. The C2 mall sushi. All right, Nicole, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Okay, cool. First, we are going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. Trump is turning down the position of being speaker. That was something that was being

bandied about. I didn't know that that was possible. Miles, you know the government better than I do. So you'll have to explain to me how it's possible that an unelected person could just be speaker of the House. We'll talk about the mansion compromise, workers just coming out and saying, fuck retail jobs. We'll talk about that new Britney Spears article that hit the New York Times yesterday that gave us a little bit more detail. They got their hands on some sealed documents from the ongoing court battle over her conservatorship. We will talk about Carl Nassib, the first active NFL player to come out as gay. All of that, plenty more. But first, Nicole, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

Well, I don't know. The most recent thing that I've been looking up is not that exciting. It's just bikinis. I've been like nonstop obsessing over the perfect bikini to find for the summer. And the best part about that is I've been looking at that stuff for like three days, and I'm probably going to maybe wear a bikini once this summer because that's I don't even go to the beach. Right. That thing where you get an idea in your head. You're like, this is what the next three months are going to be. Yeah. And then you're like, I don't know. I think it's just an idea. Oh, yeah. Like you're living in your mind. Are you living at the beach every day? In my mind, I'm living at the beach. Just in general, I feel like this summer, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to be like super sexy

this summer. I'm going to dress all skimpy. I'm going to be, you know, flirting with everybody because we're free again. We're all vaccinated and out and about. And yeah, and I'll be at the beach and, you know, whatever, sun and fun and having my butt out. But it's like, I'm not, I mean, yeah, that's my, that's, that's the idea. But the reality is I will probably be chilling in my apartment 80% of the time or not at the beach anywhere but the beach. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I always picture LA summers like the 90210 or Saved by the Bell, like Bayside summers where they all worked at a beach club. And, you know, that's just what it is. Just tossing a beach ball around, working at a restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how I live my summers. And the best part about this, too, is I'm not even going to be in L.A. I'm going to go to New York in like a week or two. I'm going to New York for two months. So I'm just going to like... So you'll be like one of those people who puts a blanket out in Central Park.

I'll find a way. I'll find a way. I'm going to buy the perfect bikini. I'm going to put a blanket out in Central Park and be chill. Or then maybe some like Wall Street person's like, hey, you want to go to the Hamptons? That's the plan. I'll advertise the goods at in central park and then someone will ask me to take a trip to the actual beach and i'll be like yeah i'm prepared yeah if we're growing up here i go to the beach

sell seldom do i go to the beach yeah but you know i'm i'm hoping to maybe make it out one or two more times i went kayaking in the marina for the first time. That was nice. Nice and easy. Nice and easy time in the calm waters. Oh yeah. So the waters are calm. Down in Marina Del Rey. Yeah. Like it's just,

the water's real flat. You can just rent a kayak for like an hour and kind of go like in the, in the Marina area where it's just, yeah, I felt like I was getting real active and then very frustrated. Cause I'm terrible at kayaking, but I got my shit together about 30 minutes in. Are those the boats where you go by yourself and you just row back and forth and they can

Yeah, when you got the dual paddle and you got to integrate it. But they have like tandem ones. Oh, yeah. But you know, it's all it's paddler's choice. I feel like the last time I was in a boat like that was a canoe and it tipped over. And so ever since then, I'm like, you know what, I'm actually good on boats that I have to row myself yeah these ones are very stable so i felt very calm the tipping factor wasn't quite there so yeah i encourage people to to get out into the yeah still waters yeah the stagnant row yourself out there in the marina the marina is known as the uh swinger hot spot of the west side of LA. FYI, a therapist once a like, you know, therapist in her mid-60s was like,

Marina, yeah, you know, the swinger hotspot. I was like, oh, hell yeah. Why is it always the most random people that are like, you know, new this or out the swingers hotspots? They're getting laid a million times and I'm like, hey, how's that happening? If you see a couple on with backwards life jackets in a canoe, they're swingers.

Just follow them to their houseboat. To their bikini houseboat. The SS fucks a lot. Yeah. I'm surprised you went out there and nobody asked you to be a third. You didn't get invited to be someone's third? There was nobody out there. It was very overcast. So it wasn't the best day but uh next time i might just wear a shirt advertising

down to fuck and just see what happens you're down to fuck jersey uh you're down to fuck uh clippers jersey i feel like i might start actually incorporating i got got a pair of swim trunks, as I say, because I'm in my 40s, that are really nice and I like them a lot. And I've never worn swim gear as part of my clothing. But I think I might just start rocking it on the daily, even when I'm not planning on going to the YMCA because I'm an old person. Wait, what kind of swim trunks do you get? I like the pattern. They're from like... I don't know. I just like the pattern.

Are they like long board shorts? You got them thighs out, Jack. They're above the knee. I like to show off the thighs. Get a little color on there. Otherwise, people have to wear sunglasses around me. Show off that Marge Simpson thigh tat you have. Hot. Get a little color on there. Otherwise, people have to wear sunglasses around me.

Show off that Marge Simpson thigh tat you have. Hot. Actually, it's so far off that it's not actually. I'm not allowed to say it's Marge Simpson. It's Marg Samson. Marg Samson. So Fox doesn't hit you with those. Yeah, you don't want to get in trouble for that.

Yeah. That's great. It's funny. Whenever I think of someone wearing swim trunks, as you say, like in a non-water setting, I always think of a camp counselor. Yeah. Like that's who that outfit is. I don't know, man. You never know. Like these kids are probably going to drop shit on you.

It's better to wear quick, dry clothing all the time. You just got to be prepared. But do you guys wear boxers under swim trunks i never understood that like they some of them do right no okay it's not a look it depends on maybe how generally comfortable you are with your nudity or something i mean a lot of shorts have like the built-in underwears in them okay so yeah do you i've never worn underwear it just feels like a like why would you wear a cotton that is gonna not dry underneath the thing that will dry very quickly just never quite made sense yeah that never made sense to me either so that's why i was like if you're wearing the the shorts out with

your regular clothes as your outfit are you going to be wearing boxer that we just go and you know we free ball oh you're saying oh right so right. Someone in my position. Are you truly prepared for, are you ready to dive in? That's it. That's actually a question that I've had so far. Uh, I've only worn it without, but maybe, maybe if I really want to make it a part of, of my rotation, I should probably think, cause it's not fully comfortable, you know, the netting. Yeah. And's i like a boxer brief and like

the the netting is not and it you know can get ill-adjusted down there so yeah i uh yeah you have to plan that one out for your look for your summer look absolutely i do appreciate miles that you turned it into turned me into a camp counselor with like the zinc on my nose. Oh, yeah. But you're like an inner tube around my waist. There's something about it too that feels very 90s to me, wearing your swim trunks with like a t-shirt

and wearing it as an outfit. It feels very 90s. So yeah, you got to have the zinc. You got to have a little tube or little floaties on your arms, like Oakley sunglasses with a strap on the back. Yeah. Yes, exactly.

Do the whole look. It'll be a thing. It'll be your new thing when you go out and everybody be like, oh, that's the guy. That's the guy that's always wearing swim trunks. You got to have a brand. I need something. I do. He eats free here. Nicole, what is something you think is overrated? People will not like me when I say Nicole, what is something you think is overrated?

People will not like me when I say this, but reality TV, I think, is overrated. It's one of those things where when people start talking about reality TV, I completely tune out. I don't know what's happening. I can't listen. It makes me uncomfortable to watch it. It feels like it's so staged and manipulative of people that it makes me feel anxious when I'm watching it. And I don't understand why so many people like it. I love it.

And I get why people don't like it either, because I can tell, too, like when things are very overproduced and you're like, my god you took advantage of these people who just narrowly think they're on a tv show but you're getting them to do things that are they're essentially embarrassing themselves but but they get their ratings going i think in that sense uh yeah i definitely see like those parts and there are you know times when i look at certain shows i'm like why did you cast some of these people, this feels like you're playing a joke on them. Yeah. And I think the other part of it is probably just like schadenfreude of just being able to like comparatively be like, shit, man, I got a lot to be grateful for because I could be in a fucked up relationship with these people. You know what I mean?

I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's like when I I love documentaries for that reason. But it's funny because it's like when I, I love documentaries for that reason. Because I'll watch a documentary and be like, damn, like there's all these medical documentaries on YouTube where it's like the girl whose muscles turned to bone. I don't know if you've seen anything like that. What? You want to feel thankful for your life?

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And so you watch all these, like, I watch all those kinds of medical documentaries and true crime. Like, I watch stuff that's real. Yeah, yeah, sure. But the reality, yeah, the reality stuff is where I can't do it. the bachelor and i know people love it people go crazy for it but it's just i can't connect to it i can't do it i mean i guess that's not i don't know if that's overrated or just being like no i mean i think no in a sense because it's something that is taking up a huge share of people's attention like in terms of the kinds of media that's being

consumed and i think reality is one of those things i mean i have another podcast just talking about 90 day fiancee yeah so i would say yeah that in that sense yeah i get why you're coming with that take for sure and i'm team nicole on this one i like watching that shit makes me uncomfortable enough that it's like burning calories like i need a break to like make it through an episode of reality TV. It's it's it feels to me the way that like being an introvert versus an extrovert. Like some people like get energy from watching reality TV and like reality TV makes me exhausted. I'm just like, oh, interesting. That's the same feeling. Yeah.

It's like a study that may have something to it. Right. Yeah. What if it's repelling or energizing to you, I'm sure they can start putting us in buckets based on the shows we watch. Yeah, I wonder if some of it is tied to social anxiety or being an introvert.

Because I'm a socially anxious person and I'm an introvert, even though I seem pretty outgoing. So maybe that's why. Because maybe that's why I can't watch it. Because I'm like, no, this is too much. I'm also an introvert. Same thing where I'm very, you know, I can be energetic in certain situations, but I recharge being by myself.

Like, I don't get it from being out there socializing. So I don't know. But you recharge by being by yourself watching reality TV. So you're a you're an enigma wrapped in a contradiction. Thank you so much. You know, one show that I was watching recently, though, that is reality TV that someone got me into was Alone. Have you guys seen that?

I was just going to ask if it was Alone because I keep hearing about Alone being like this great reality show that is like people who don't like reality TV like this show. Yeah. Right. If you don't. Yeah, it's really it's actually really well done because it's the people that are competing on the show are only shooting themselves. And so you're just getting more of like a real experience and you're more immersed in that yeah rather than like people being like hey you use my fucking hatchet

yeah yeah yeah oh yeah that common problem of someone using someone else's hatchet we don't know about that but yes it is like that there's no like yeah it's not like set up situations that feel a little bit scripted and manipulated by producers no confessionals none of that kind of stuff well there's some kind of confessionals but yeah it's pretty good that's the only one i i feel like recently i'm like okay i can watch this one i can handle it god i can just see the reality TV, like, editing of, has anyone seen my hatchet? Then, like, cut to the confessional being like, she just uses my hatchet.

I told everybody that was my special hatchet that no one else can use. My grandfather's hatchet from the Civil War. And then someone else comes on like, her grandpa was racist, so I don't care about using her hatchet. Did she say which side of the Civil War he was on? Because check the inscription on the blade. I think I saw a Confederate inscription, so I'm going to use that hatchet. I'm going to take the hatchet back.

That whole thing is whistling Dixie, okay? That's right. Nicole, what's something you think is underrated? Oh, you know what I think is underrated? It's teaching kids real life skills in school is that they could not be a thing yeah like i think about what are these skills you speak of like life skills because i just think it's crazy that like as an adult i don't know how to do taxes at all and i just depend on an accountant that's trained to do it.

And if he told me to pay, you know, $20,000, I'd be like, okay, I would, I would be mad about it, but I would do it because I have no idea how to do taxes. I mean, I think it's crazy personally that we don't learn how to speak a second language. Like, why do I not know how to speak Spanish when so many people speak Spanish? You know, things like that. So I think it's, I think we don't learn enough real life skills in school. And so I don't understand why no one's calling that out and changing the curriculum. It's almost like they want to create generations of people that can rely on these industries rather than upend them with their ability to act independently. Exactly. Yeah, true. Like taxes are so mind-boggling i'm like i don't know please someone else like when half the time i'm sure if like in school someone's like you know like turbo tax is a scam

right you know there's free software you can use right you know blah but you don't grow up hearing any of that so i just end up a mess like at those zero hour begging people for suggestions on account exactly it's like i don't need to know Pythagorean theorem. I need to know how to fill out a W-2. I still don't even know. And every time I fill it out, I'm like, wait, am I doing this right? Am I doing it wrong? Am I getting in trouble?

I'm always worried that the government's going to one day just like knock on my door and arrest me for something I didn't even know that I did wrong. Well, that is the risk of not being white in this country also. So either way. Either way, they could just come on by and hang out. Right, right, right. She can go left pretty quickly. They can go left pretty quickly.

But yeah, I think that's underrated. The taxing in particular is purely like in order to create an entire category of jobs because like other countries, it's just like they give you your bill. They're like, here's what you owe. I just heard about that recently. I didn't even know that was a was a thing i'm like why don't they just give us a bill right it's like yeah it's like being at a restaurant and then like after you're like before you can say can i get the check you gotta hire somebody to intervene and help like facilitate the transaction because you're like hold on man you wrote down everything i fucking ordered don't you know what i owe you you know what i know uh no please uh find your

own bill you know whatever bill a aggregator whatever the title would be to add up your bill and then you can pay us and it's like if you do it wrong we'll audit you and we will throw you in jail if you do yeah we'll audit you we'll throw you in jail and Yeah, we'll audit you. We'll throw you in jail. And I'm paying this other person like 15 bucks on top of whatever he's going to tell me I owe. Yeah. And also, that's the other thing. Sometimes it's 15 bucks. Sometimes you'll have to pay him 30 bucks. You don't know why.

You don't know what the logic is. And then as they're reading your bill at the restaurant, they'll tell you all these ingredients and things that you've never heard of. You're like, what is happening? I'll just trust you on this. I'm going to trust you that that mac and cheese was $20, whatever. Like you just, you start to get so frazzled. I just think it's crazy that we don't teach kids how to do that. There's a lot of things, but yeah, that's the, that's the, always been the main one

for me is I can't believe that I can have conversations with an accountant and feel so lost and it's okay. And like, that's just because we never got that education. They should be like in gym classes. Like, Hey man, we're doing the change a car tire unit. Yes. You can do that shit safely and be like, yo, you don't have to have a real car. Be like, here's a Jack.

I understand there are Jack points in every car, depending on what kind of car it is. And this is how you do it. Here's how you remove the nuts. This is how you put them back on. Exactly. It is. It's exactly that. I think there's like, I mean, interpersonal things. Yes. You can learn them from your exactly it is it's it's exactly that i think there's like i mean interpersonal things yes you can learn them from your parents but it's like maybe

maybe you you know learn how to break up with someone instead of ghosting them like little things like where it's like you just teach people to be like functioning humans in the world instead of teaching them i don't know i i was gonna say shakespeare but that seems fucked up to say that. But, you know, it's like, who cares? Like, teach them some real shit so that we can have humans that know how to do things. Right. Well, we do have Home Ec, and that's where we learn how to, like.

I never had Home Ec, though. I did. I was just having this conversation recently with people. You learn how to operate a sewing machine, and i think i had to design my own cereal box and where did you grow up and there was like a baking thing i grew this was in dayton ohio and lexington kentucky so you were saying you grew up in um la miles right yeah see i grew up in kansas obviously and we were i was just having this conversation where i think a lot of midwestern kids that we got home at because i like learned how to make a pair of pajama pants and a cookie or something. Yeah, we had home ec still.

Yeah. But that would be the perfect opportunity to home economics. What are the economic things, how to operate a home, how to operate an apartment, how to figure out what your budget needs to be at home would be a good thing to teach there but instead it's just like uh well here's what they needed to know in the frontier days uh how to like sew something by hand yeah the frontier days how to terrorize native people and then it's your land oh no they don't teach that unit but yeah i think like i didn't have home ec but i had spanish ever since second grade. And second language had to happen until, I mean, high school, I think it became optional or something after a certain point.

But yo hablo espanol. Oh, really? See, that's very cool. I think that we should, everybody should have that in school. My kid, my kid, I don't have a kid. My nephew, that was weird. My nephew goes to a school where they teach French. So you learn French and English, obviously, from, you know, very young age.

I think they should do that in all schools. I don't see why not. That's cool that you learn Spanish. So you can be fluent. No, no, no, no. I know enough to get by and not like, you know, express my needs to people. At the very least, my human needs. But like, I can't get too complex yeah obviously but yeah i think

yeah i mean it really is there's a benefit to really having multiple languages like i grew up with my mom speaking japanese to me so i have i had the benefit of growing up in like a bilingual household and i don't it's i think it's not underscored enough what that does when you can in your mind you're able to think in different languages and how that kind of opens pathways a lot for problem solving and things like that so absolutely shout out to the polyglots you know yeah learn some languages even now i see so many people using babble and stuff like that so get it how you live but i feel like there's also they should approach the business world like so so much of like when when you talk to somebody about like investing and like your financial future it's just when when you talk to somebody about like investing

and like your financial future it's just it's like talking to somebody who just learned a foreign language and then they use that to their advantage to like create a barrier so you don't know like what the fuck they're talking about i feel like if if we really wanted to like put everybody on equal footing they would just teach you what all those words meant yeah i think that is that's probably what it is is just to keep their keep different classes of people or levels of knowledge so that people can be you know divided and differently yeah it's because that's yeah it's like when you sign a contract so many people sign a contract and when they're young you know credit cards whatever it is then they just sign their life away as a student loans or whatever whatever it can be and we don't learn about how to deal with that stuff. We just have

to experience it and mess up on the way. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. It was December 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packers star Kabir Bajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation. KGB explaining what he believes led to the arrest of his friends at a children's Christmas play. A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning. In a story about faith and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron and the consequences for everyone involved.

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When it came into my email inbox, I was like, okay, I know I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it. Because if I can't be in it, I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest on Table for Two. It's come full circle. As long as I do better than her, I'm happy. Table for Two is a bit different from other interview shows.

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I mean, because remember, we talked about this wacky idea a while back about how he could return with like a house run. And then if they take the house, they would make him speaker to be like the ultimate troll king to Joe Biden. But I think he knows that that's kind of like a cuck move for him. And he wants to be a Chad

and he probably wants to be president. So his spokesperson came out very quickly and was like, Donald Trump has zero interest, OK, in being the speaker. But, you know, it's also interesting to know, like, what would he possibly be running for? I think the only reason we also talked about why he didn't announce his like reelection bid immediately is like it would change a lot of the donations he's received and he wouldn't be able to use them in the same way if he said oh now i'm now i'm running for president because now that's part of your election fund so i think this is going to be like a will he won't he kind of thing for a minute but yeah i know a lot of the other thing is too there is there is a way for him to be speaker without being elected as jack alluded to in the

beginning, because, you know, contrary to popular belief, you do not have to be an incumbent member or member of the House of Representatives to be speaker of the House. It's just traditionally been someone who was elected to the to the House of Representatives. So I think going along with all that, it seems like probably not what's gonna happen because i think at the end of the day i think his ego just couldn't handle not being like the president yeah but that's just based like that is the only thing keeping us from that because like we're entering this new phase where the entire you know reason for existence of the republican party is to troll people who aren't republicans and to raise the authoritarian like possibilities and in america and like that this would make sense

from that standpoint i guess yeah that's just where it's at odds with his ego right the one thing that everything like if they were super focused on the fuckery they could get shit done were it not for his ego but that thing is just too it's just too much of a force like it's it's it's getting in the way of things or maybe it isn't i don't know yeah we're very lucky but by some standards that he's so bad at his job and so scattered and not focused and unwilling to listen to people who have any experience and sort of uh political power yeah and a lot of senator like there's a few people who who just can't speak up they're like oh his election endorsements are unusual dude just say they're bullshit and they're gonna fuck up your chances but y'all

are so scared that that's it turns into all this like mitigating and you know just being like well let's be euphemistic about his terrible leadership skills and then he also wants to sue what does he want to do use the department of justice to this is the thing if this in early in 2019 he was he was talking to lawyers and advisors about like the fcc the courts and maybe even the department of justice about what they could do to probe or like tamper back or hold back shows like snl or jimmy kimmel because he felt that these were quote the news and were also quote ads for democrats so he felt it kind of fell under that like you know uh equal air time kind of shit going on or like this seems like this is all kinds of messed up that they can

just do that and just dunk on me and then that's considered satire or whatever so he was really looking into how he could like legally maneuver and you know like essentially just shut these groups up so you know dribs and drabs every day about things uh that we're learning about i mean i was just having a conversation about how i don't watch the news very often but i do watch like you know the daily show or snl like you see those types of shows and that's where you get a lot of your news so you I don't watch the news very often, but I do watch like, you know, the Daily Show or SNL. You see those types of shows and that's where you get a lot of your news. So, you know what? Maybe he's right.

Maybe we're getting all of our information from comedy. Thank you. You're like, wait, Trump's the president? I thought this was like a bit they were doing for four years. I thought that was a joke. You mean Alec Baldwin was impersonating the actual president? No, I don't like that. I don't like that.

That was a mean character. I didn't like that character. Not at all. Such a good impression, though. Ridiculous. Yeah, it was good. Let's talk about Joe Manchin's compromise.

Just the most frustrating shit, the way the Democrats are dealing with Republicans just trying to end voting rights for Americans. Yesterday, on Tuesday, you know, as we record this, we don't know what the result is of this vote, but we know it's not going to succeed

because we know where the Republicans are. We know where people like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are. And there's just like this whole thing about this Joe Manchin compromise bill that, you know, it's the Manchin compromise. It's his's it's his way of doing bipartisanship because, you know, the reason he couldn't get behind the For the People Act, which is the only one of the only legislative hopes that we have to preserve

any kind of like voting rights or to create any kind of some semblance of fairness in voting. He didn't like that the Republicans didn't vote for it. So he's got his own version. It has some of the things that Democrats want. It also has some things that the Republicans want. But the long road to this point has everyone kind of like, fuck it, man, we'll just take this shitty version of the bill because this guy won't end the filibuster. Either we'll cinema. And I guess this is the closest thing we can get. But the thing is, the Republicans are not going to vote for this. So where are we with all of this? It just, it really just does my head in trying to understand how the Democrats can just look at this and say, oh, what do we do? I mean, the Republicans don't even want to have a debate on this bill because

they know it will completely throw a wrench in their gears to cheat in the elections. And so I just it really it really is frustrating because you have Democrats just actively watching the sabotage that's going in many states concurrently right now, ever since the November election. There have been all kinds of really fucked up voting laws and regulations put into place. And this is the thing. I'm not saying navigating D.C. is easy, but it's the lack of identifying threats and acting accordingly that that just kills me. And they know what's going to happen after a few election cycles of having these kinds of voting rights in place. So I don't I just it really makes me more frustrated if you haven't been radicalized already by looking at the state of this country.

This should really make you look at this system and realize these people know they're looking straight at what like this tidal wave coming at them of a voter suppression. And they're still doing things like, well, what do we do with the filibuster? Should we? Oh, maybe if we get them on record saying they don't like this, that will help in an election. It's like, they're not playing the same game at all, but they still insist on this thing and it's disheartening, but that's what they do.

So is there any chance that they, like when the Republicans don't vote for his exception or the Man compromise that like they're saying, well, first he'll try and then he'll try again. And then maybe at that point he'll realize, actually, yeah, I've, they really won't do anything. Maybe they are the problem, but that's assuming that Joe Manchin's, you know, in his heart of hearts, he wants to preserve anything resembling fair elections in this country.

We're not even preserving because we don't have them to begin with but have the march towards fair elections yeah just makes you very cynical but yeah there's i mean they see it coming and there's so many groups now who are just changing like their focus from talking about like real like specific issues to keep talking to people on the hill to be like you have to do something about the voting rights. Like that's really, what are you going to do after that? Because if they set the table like this, you can't, there's not, there's, it's going to be hard to dig your way out of it. But if we can start putting these laws into place to make them as, you know, as balanced as possible and not have all these obstacles for people to vote, then maybe you have a chance of getting, you know, certain

things done. But this is part of the, I think, the disgusting nature of our two party system and why, you know, a lot of people say, like, this is why this doesn't work. This is why we have incremental change and people still not having their needs met. Well, speaking of not having their needs met, let's talk about people in retail jobs. I feel like they're starting to wake up to the fact April, that was like this figure. That was the largest one month exit from like a given industry that the labor department has ever seen since they started collecting data in general. So they're like, wow. And I think, you know, it's like everything. These people were they went through all this shit over the last year dealing with customers dealing with you know being understaffed and having to do way more shit while also having this label of essential without any real gratitude really attached to it from their employers and people are just monetary compensation yeah i mean there was like kroger did a hero's bonus for like two seconds and then like okay we called them heroes isn't that enough? Yeah.

What is, come on. It's called a hero bonus. I mean, but yes, I'm the hero in the C-suite because I put a sunset on that and it didn't go the whole time of the pandemic. But this other thing is like, you know, a lot of people just on part of that. It's not that they're just quitting because I think if you listen to Republicans, it's going to be like, well, this is what happens when Joe Biden gives people some stimulus checks and unemployment. These people are going to other jobs. These people aren't just not working.

They're just saying fucking retail was fucked up and I don't want to do it. marijuana dispensaries banks local governments you know where they can have customer service skills but also have like things like better wages benefits things like that and a lot of people going some people going back to school or learning new trades or waiting till they can get child care to like better their options so it's uh i i think it's really telling you know where we're at especially with the fact that we constantly have this thing that we're seeing now where people are refusing to work for subsubstance wages and they want to they want to be able to have a dignified life like you should. It shouldn't matter where you work. Just the fact that you can contribute, unfortunately, to this consumer economy or whatever, that you can have a life, you can have a home to sleep in rather than well do you have enough jobs for a home do you have enough jobs to have a child that's the

the equation's so backwards yeah i feel like a lot of people are just seeing i feel like people in office jobs that were working nine to fives regular jobs they got to step back while they were working from home and doing zoom jobs and so they're kind of having this moment of being like, I don't need to go into the office or I only want to work two days in the office. The rest of the days I can work remote and still get all of the work I need to get done. And so it's like they already had their moment. And now the retail workers, now that things are slowing down, they're like, what was this shit that we just dealt with for the past year and some change? And so now they're just like, I'm out. Like, I think people are in general

just having these awakenings of being like, we don't deserve to be treated like this. We're not getting paid well enough for being taken care of. So we got to go find something different. And I'm glad that so many people are leaving. Maybe someone will wake up and make some changes. I mean, I worked retail back to the day. It was not fun.

It's not like, I get it. And I think for even before the pandemic, a lot of people were like, this is just it's a tough job. And there's very little there's nothing in return that makes it worth our time aside from the crunch of living in America where, dude, you can't just quit your job and, you know, pivot to something else quickly, because some people, you know, pivot to something else quickly because some people, you know, a lot of people live check to check and that disruption in their income can be disastrous. So, yeah, I mean, I, I, I, these are the moments too, where you're like, God, if some people just had their shit together, you know, politically, they could look at what's happening here and

be like, yeah, there's a, there's a way to get support for, uh, from a lot of Americans that would help a lot of people without being like, well, who's a way to get support from a lot of Americans that would help a lot of people without being like, well, who's a Republican and who's a Democrat or whatever? And just like, you know, guide this thing by something called human dignity. But, you know, that's the perversion. Doesn't seem to be a priority in politics. No, no, unfortunately not.

And especially again, when you have people like Joe Manchin who got, he's's getting he got an award from the Chamber of Commerce for the bipartisanship award, which is basically because he he took a shit on the $15 minimum wage hike. So he gets awarded by these business associations like the Chamber of Commerce to say he is a hero of bipartisanship. No, he's the fucking fullback who blew up your you know opportunity to whatever so he's it's all just obstruction and yeah you hope that these things will all add up on some level because or maybe they'll just be like then this is why we need robots oh for sure yeah yeah i mean you're sending like retail in particular, you're sending people into like impossible situations. Like if you've ever worked retail, like the American consumer, you're supposed to like go on with the premise that the consumer like goes into any interaction knowing that and just like treat. It's just such a fucking brutal dynamic to then like not pay them exorbitantly well. Like it's so pay them a living wage. Like you were saying earlier, they have to get multiple jobs to be able to support their family.

And they're working so much for what in the isn't the restaurant industry also having a huge like hiring problem because yeah all of this because at the end of the day it's you know enough is enough for people and yeah it's it's funny because you see people i've seen people who work retail like who manage a retail store have way better communication skills than like fbi hostage negotiators oh yeah you know what i mean like the shit i've i'm like oh my god this person is racist as fuck in your face and you've somehow just fucking shoulder dip head fake euro stepped around their bullshit and then got them to be like feel heard and then they leave yeah oh my god and i'm like you're not and they're not paying you shit this

is fucked up and i think that's what you know uh you i i i commend people who are taking these things into their own hands and i and i hope that you know that they can enter a job market that will you know reward them for their skills as well because yeah unfortunately retail isn't it and especially like working in retail people come up to you thinking you are the ex-comp you're like you're the fucking son or daughter or child whoever owns the company or the store yeah right fuck yeah okay i'm just making t-shirts in here i'm gonna take my business elsewhere yeah i'm like okay well i'm sorry we don't have this graphic and i can't press it to these sweatpants that

you want right what is this about on the website it says you have it i'm like i don't know they're not paying me shit also you don't know my boss hasn't paid to my last two paychecks bounced yeah so what the fuck you want me to do what do you have you seen the uh tiktok with the guy working at ikea yeah it's so good because that's what everybody that works in customer service and retail just wants to say because i don't know it's so strange how customers suddenly either forget or just don't understand how it works but yeah they think that you are john ikea or whatever it is and it's like i am not the company i am simply a man trying to make money you know it's not i don't i can't do anything for you yeah because they get in their heads where they the word no doesn't exist if you're a customer according to some right yeah and i think it offers people to like in this country

it's like the one place you can go in with your sense of entitlement and someone kind of has to half oblige it. Yeah. Or at least that's the expectation. Yeah. Like other some places, you know, you can't come in with that fucking energy or certain contexts in your life. You can't have that fucking energy with people. But in this one, you can suddenly now project all of your frustrations on someone who's working retail or whatever and go off. And then these people can't fucking clap back. Although you do see it more and more now where you see conflicts with workers and people getting in people's faces. And you guess what? You're also dealing with a stressed out human. So maybe things will happen. That could be a class that they teach in schools, like working retail for one day. They make every kid work in retail one day. Dealing with somebody who thinks that you have to assume that they're always right is like such a like imagine. I like the comparison of a hostage negotiator, because imagine if the hostage negotiator had to deal with like a rule that

the terrorist is always right and the terrorist knows that they're supposed to have that assumption like it's a completely impossible it's a completely impossible situation i want one billion dollars in unmarked bills and a fueled jet okay we're working on that let me talk to your manager yeah i am the manager and i and i love what you're saying right now and that's going to be heard what i can offer you right now is maybe 10 off your next purchase you got your retail voice on okay fine okay fine oh fuck oh shit i gotta quit this motherfucker i hate the coach store i hate the coach store. I hate the coach store. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk Britney.

It was December 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packers star Kabir Bajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation. KGB explaining what he believes led to the arrest of his friends at a children's Christmas play. A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning. In a story about faith and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron and the consequences for everyone involved. You mix homesteading with guns and church and a little bit of the spice of conspiracy theories that we liked. Voila!

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She's been trying to get out of this conservatorship earlier and more often than had previously been known, is what the article said. She articulated she feels the conservatorship has become an oppressive and controlling tool against her. That's in a 2016 report. So that's like before anybody was saying shit. And there's also like an involuntary stay

at a mental health facility, which I think a lot of the people in the Free Britney movement were speculating was what happened when she had to like take that break. And then a lot of like performing against her will her dad like won't let her restain her kitchen cabinet because he's like wait what yeah like in a complete in terms that's one of the details he wouldn't he was like that costs too much money she's pulling in like 60 million dollars and this dude is just like has all this like control over her finances has control

over who's allowed around her like he can be like no i don't like them they're a bad influence and so early on like one of the first complaints about the conservatorship they were like uh we think this is just her boyfriend having like undue influence on her and like being a bad influence it's just like a complete like it really is kafka-esque like it's fucking impossible and a completely impossible situation like the literally the only way for her to communicate because they she's presenting all this shit to the judge and the judge is just like okay we you, and then just leaving shit in her dad's hands. And this conservatorship has gone on for, what, 12 years? Something extremely long for a conservatorship

because they're supposed to be short-term while the person is incapacitated. Yeah, I mean, it's not designed for this at all. It's designed for people who, in the short term, don't have control of their own faculties like this idea that it's this long-term like money-making thing like that seems to be the sort of ideal that the conservatorship side goes in with there's also just like this weird underpinning of like we've talked before about the southern dad culture of like you know having the debutante

balls where you're like presenting your daughter as like a viable horse like partner slash well show horse is actually interesting you say that because her mom joined her fight to end the conservatorship in her complaint said that mr spears had referred to his daughter as quote a racehorse who has to be handled like one okay jamie on one okay yeah so burn it all down hell no and so her dad's lawyer who was in that britney spears documentary that the new york times did that like kind of captured the zeitgeist about a year ago like so now she went back to working for the dead and she issued the statement that britney knows her daddy loves her and that he will be there for her whenever and if she needs

him creepy it's yeah dropping that daddy in is just like such a, I don't know. It's also like those, is it the dances where like, it's this idea of the dad like owning the child. Yeah, exactly. It's almost like she's his girlfriend until another man takes her and then she becomes that man. Exactly. Yeah, those are like called like chastity balls or something where you like betroth your virginity to your dad and they

wear the rings and everything dad and you like yeah your dad gives you a ring and it's like this oh it's so fucking weird and like her complaints have included her being like he's like obsessive and like obsessed with me and with my life and like won't leave me alone. He also is like a frequently relapsing alcoholic. It's just like a, it's a real fucking mess. I can only imagine what that relationship is like too, where you have a father who's already struggling with his own issues and is probably in his own mind,

like looking at Brittany to help him feel like, well, I'm in control of this thing. I might not be in control of other stuff, but I have this thing I can be in control and then that runaway train of no accountability yeah it's fucking awful and then this guy's just sitting on her money and shit some of the details are like truly like you know a she lives in a prison of like her she was being tested for drugs numerous times weekly and her credit

card was held by her security team or assistant and used at their discretion and then she wasn't allowed to restay in her own cabinet um forced into a mental health facility against her will on exaggerated grounds which she viewed as punishment for her standing up for herself and making an objection during a rehearsal. And then she was forced to perform while sick with a 104 degree fever. I've heard she doesn't have a cell phone either. She's not allowed to have a phone. Like, that's...

Like, I mean, what? Crazy. That's like cult shit. 39 years old. Yeah. That's like cult, like mind control shit. Yeah. years old. Yeah, that's that's like cult like mind

control shit. Yeah. And like the conservatorship is just legally so fucked up. She has to pay for lawyers on both sides, including the lawyers arguing against her wishes. So she recently got a $890,000

bill from one set of her dad's lawyers, which covered four months of work including media strategizing for defending the conservatorship so she's paying for them to like launch a media campaign about why the conservatorship is good it's just she's ceased to be a person you know like she's like she's ip at this point she is ip IP. She's a product. And she's an estate. She's not a human being. And it's really alarming to see like all this paternalistic, fucked up, incestual. I don't know.

It's all fucking, it's so disgusting. And then to think that all of this is just sort of spun out of a few incidents earlier on in her life. Just to be like, okay, this is the moment now that I can rush control from my daughter. on in her life just to be like okay this is the moment now that i can rush control from my daughter and now she's fully in this like glass menagerie that i can you know i'm the operator of yeah that's what it seems like it seems like he like got control and then realized like oh shit like now i can make all this money off of her i can keep her in my control i can keep her working and then i don't have to worry about anything because if he imagines like even if he got if he lost control of it he wouldn't even be able to afford lawyers to keep fighting for this.

So it's crazy. You know, it's Britney pay for my lawyers to sue you. What? Oh, dad, you nasty. You gotta be here. But it's like I'm sure in his mind he can justify like from that one like breakdown that she had. like from that one like breakdown that she had like that's very scary moment to have somebody who you love who is like out of control and like i'm sure he's using that to like justify it in his own mind and like that's what his lawyers constantly are like coming back to but it's just

like somebody needs to intervene to you know like make it so he can't continue to conveniently just believe that he's like he is getting a percentage of all of like her tours and shit so he's both her manager and like her legal guardian which like experts are like that is makes no fucking sense. And where's he doing this from? A palatial estate? Probably. Calabasas? Probably his house. That's where he used to be doing it from. So this is the last paragraph of this article.

Mr. Spears recently sold the house Ms. Spears grew up in. He has been staying down a winding country road on the outskirts of town in an RV parked at a warehouse that has stored the boxed up relics of his daughter's megawatt career. Okay, that's on him though. He could afford a house. He could do all that. But he's just like in a

RV like by this massive warehouse full of like Britney memorabilia. It's just like yo, shit has gone sideways. He needs to be in a conservative. Well, that's the thing too is like if what if they flipped it on him yeah they could but they could just as easily do that yeah if you're saying that it spawns off of one incident when she had one you know mental health crisis

and then he's you know if he's an alcoholic and he had one time where he was you know what's the word like hitting rock bottom then they could have easily just as easily done that to him but somehow he got out of it and he got the power and got to do this to her for life almost like uh the legal system is misogynistic hey what yeah it might be like that might be it's like it's foundational to this place huh just paternalistic uh urge yeah yeah speaking of misogyny, let's talk about Carl Nassib coming out as an active NFL player. This is probably the most accomplished pro team sport athlete

to have come out as a gay man while active. He's notched 37 starts, has like 20.5 career sacks, which is all important just because like he, a team is going to roster him whereas like in the past an nba team has been like nba teams have been able to be like well jason collins is on the downside of his career so they like didn't sign him or right or like

michael sam michael sam prospect right was a prospect who was the seventh round pick so they were like hey i wasn't good enough and just cut him this dude is like in just completed the first year of a three-year deal so he's like he's gonna be in the mix for an nfl team and and he was also like one of the best college he led the nation in sacks as a college player was a big 10 defensive player of the year which i think is like again it's weird to like be listing off his stats in a story like this. But I do think it's probably important to, like, the sort of people who would be like, wait, what? To, like, accept, like, oh, shit, this is, like, one of the best football players in the world.

But I don't know. I'm just, it's going to be fascinating and hopefully empowering. Will the league support him? So the league is supporting him. I know Roger Goodell had a nice thing to say, but I mean, like, you know, in the sense of like, will there be will they really put things in place? Like if people are trying to, you know, single him out or something or there's some kind of weird on field nonsense going on or harassment, like what will they protect him? real nonsense going on or harassment like what will they protect him you know will they actually make that a thing to say we are completely against any sort of homophobia in this league and like we're done with it that's i'm curious to see how that plays out too i mean that the the

sport the league the entire culture around the league is like fuel it is like the physical embodiment of toxic masculinity it's just, and all like the most notable commentary coming from active NFL NFL players to this point has been just completely toxic homophobia with players saying they wouldn't accept a gay teammate. And I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's just,

it is, it's just so massively important though, for, for this kind of representation in the NFL, just in general. And I think there's, there's just so massively important, though, for this kind of representation in the NFL just in general. And I think there's such a, you know, in that video, he said how long he's been dreading coming out. And then he finally did. And I can only imagine how many people will look to him and, you know, find the strength and courage. You know, it's much different coming out now than it was 20 years ago or shit even 10 years ago but you hope that this can actually really

change the dynamics of sports where you know cisgendered men are competing and what that looks like but yeah it's hard to see because you can see like on the twitter all the toxic comments that come out like if espn does it the jokes that are in there, there's still just this this just fucked up homophobic blind spot that people have. But yeah, you'd hope that these like we can, you know, this builds on things and creates a much more accepting country and not being like, OK, gay guys can't play sports. Yeah. What the fuck is this? sports yeah what the fuck is this yeah i think we're all hoping that this starts like a flood of you know statistically there's many many pro athletes who are closeted feel like don't feel comfortable like being their authentic selves but my guess is there will be like more of a wait and see approach to see like how he is greeted both by the league and by the other players which i think just like

further underlines the the bravery of what he's doing yeah and warren moon also said there that he had like a comment too where he was like he because he tweeted like i'm really proud of carl like this is great and then he also like ended on to say like i played with several guys who never were comfortable to come out and they were great teammates. But it just sort of that was, you know, it was a private thing. And like you're to your point, it's he's not the first and he won't be the last. But it's hoping to create more of an environment of acceptance in general. But I'm curious to see how NFL fans react to that with their cool takes.

Yeah, it's always been such a strange thing to me i don't understand how sexuality would like why would that bother anyone but that's just you know i don't i can't wrap my brain around it like i think yeah because i there's there's a certain group there's a certain culture in this country that it's like you express your masculinity through these like aggro sports and that's how you validate your masculinity. And then for someone to be homosexual, also engaging in that, well then what does that do to your super fragile idea of what masculinity is?

And I think that's just what it's all going up against. That's why it's so toxic. Yeah. Long time coming though. Absolutely. Yeah. Good for him. It's brave.

Super brave. Yeah. Good for him. It's brave. Super brave. Yeah. Nicole, it has been such a pleasure having you on Daily Zeitgeist. It's been so fun being here. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming. Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, you can follow me on Twitter at Nicole Thurman.

And I have two C's in my first name. And my Instagram is the same, at Nicole Thurman. N-I-C-C-O-L-E-T-H-U-R-M-A-N. Nice. Yeah. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media that you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. I just saw some goofy tweet about red flags yesterday that really made me laugh.

Oh, it says, normalized leaving after the first red flag. I won't do it, but you guys should. It just made me laugh. It just made me laugh real bad real hard who is it her name is oh it's not even like a real name at uch jnn she tweeted that it was very funny yeah i responded to the normalized leaving after the first red flag with asking if that was about being a Sixers fan. As soon as they say they're a Sixers fan, you got to go? Yeah. That's it.

That was... It's all right. All right. Sorry. Never mind. Get through it. Oh, no. Okay.

You're okay. I'm a Sixers fan. Okay. Okay. I knew what was going to happen all season, and I just kept hoping against hoping. I'll say hopeful. I've got to say positive. Miles, where can people find you?

Oh, man. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also, check out 420 Day Fiance. If you like weed and 90 Day Fiance, that's where I talk about that. So check that out. Twitch.tv slash 420 Day Fiance. A tweet that I talk about that. So check that out. Twitch.tv slash 420 Day Fiance. A tweet

that I like. I like a couple. First one is from a past guest, Carl Hess, at Carl Hess, tweeted, he says, the best thing you can see when you step into the party, and it's a photo of a bunch of papas rellenas from Porto's Bakery. And anybody who knows

about Porto's, you know, or anybody who likes that, you know the the dish of those fried potato balls oh there's just something about it you're like i'm amongst friends here and they know what the fuck they're doing and one more is from this is nicholas gonzalez at nico s gonzalez he's quote tweeting an image where this other person said what's going on here come on y'all i need a laugh and it's a photo of like a cheetah with like their paw on a baby gazelle's back and it looks like it's like like almost trying to put its arm around this baby gazelle's like shoulder like hey come here pal and nicholas gonzalez tweeted quote you don't need a union because we're a family here. I love that.

Tweet I've been enjoying. Ashley Feinberg tweeted, Kristen Sinema is a CIA op. I've never believed anything more strongly, which I think might be true. Brody Gupta tweeted, does my dog think the TV is a window and everything outside our house is just insane?

And Shay Serrano tweeted benny the jet is related to dominic teretto don't ask me to explain how just know that it's true uh and i believe that is great from the sandlot jets oh i thought it was benny and the jets but benny the jet yeah yeah from the sandlot is wow interesting is really okay that's the massive Shea Serrano universe cinema universe undefeated you can find me on twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien you can find us

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This is some kind of lo-fi, really nice, smooth R&B kind of vibes this is an artist called tirza t-i-r-z-a-h she's coming at us straight out of the uk and this track is called sink in and it's really dope because i like the very sort of minimal production it sounds like she's kind of making everything on like a casio keyboard or whatever like the beats and the sounds that she uses but her voice is very like haunting and very rich so i like the juxtaposition of those two things. So this is like a nice little vibe track to play around your house, you know, light some candles. It's called Sink In by Tears Up.

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