The Daily Zeitgeist - Risky Haircuts, The Last Thoughts 5.19.20

Episode Date: May 19, 2020

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consciousness and say officially off the top, the coke brothers and fuck fox news okay yeah uh it's tuesday may 19th 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka jackpot uh i just realized as i was starting that sentence i didn't have an aka so we're going with jackpot uh and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles we are heroes of the zeit to hell with the fox news might zeit zeit zeit zeit fighting daily zeit rat tat rat tat tat down in hot takes they go. Casting hosts of the Daily Sight, send them down below. Oh my god, I have tears in my eyes because that was from the scene of Cuba Gooding Jr. dying in Tuskegee Airmen. Okay, when he's singing the Fighting 99.

I thought it was from Lord of the Rings. Straighten up and fly right. And he just has to go down, he's playing his hit. I made a i made a reference to that when someone said musketeer men uh and because the zeit gang uh is tapped into all levels of consciousness especially in my mind they connected the dots to the hbo film so thank you to uh official dickhead for that one yeah official dickhead is officially on a tear right now. ODH is in the building, yeah. These are the things that I find myself saying these days.

Official dickhead is officially on a tear. I'm thrilled to be joined in our third seat by our other co-host, Jamie Loftus. Tonight I'm gonna have myself a real good time. Jamie Loftus. Quarantine, but don't stop me now. Don't stop me, cause I'll drive to Wisconsin. Drive to Wisconsin. I'm an Applebee's ordering a pie like a patriot defying the laws of quarantine. It goes on.

That's beautiful. The payoff on it was worth the journey. Thank you, Matt Dick, though. Matt Dickville? Matt... Dick Dick though. Matt Dickville? Matt. Dick though. Matt Dick though. Matt Dick though.

Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat by the brilliant and hilarious Jason Pargin, aka David Wong. Jason, how are you doing? I got to ask all of you a question. Has 2020 been the weirdest year of your lives? Not the worst, the weirdest. It's been the weirdest year of mine, but I realize I have led a less weird life than some people. I'm trying to think. It's definitely up there. Yeah. yeah it's top three because it's not just the

pandemic it's that the pandemic had to come with donald trump as president in an election year right like i don't know two weeks after the u.s military announced that aliens were harassing their fighter jets and we all just we all just blew it off. That, to me, told me it was probably, yeah, this is the one I'm going to remember. This is up there. I was supposed to be on this show like two weeks ago. Right. The day before we were to record, a freak windstorm of 80-mile-an-hour winds,

not even raining, just like a spontaneous gust of destructive wind hits nashville knocks out 150,000 homes power i didn't have electricity for four days and it was just like whoa yeah yeah that's uh that's the kind of thing that happens in 2020 it's it's pretty much right in line well it's also i did have to explain to everybody uh when when you had to cancel due to that that strange weather phenomenon follows you around the country so i wasn't shocked i'm not going to blame it all on you but mostly yeah mostly because this happened in 2009 it when i was at cracked and if someone listening to this says well you clearly are living in part of a country where spontaneous inland hurricanes form. No, no, I have moved since then. The freak weather event, that was a different state. The freak

weather event arrived here. So this was twice in the last decade that the headlines had the word freak, rare weather, destroys entire town, right jason pargin is about to do something important on the internet yes yeah i i feel like i remember something from the last the last freak weather event where like the wind was so strong it like kind of put the leaves on the trees in a blender and there was just like a wood chipper of leaves sprayed across various buildings yeah another way to put it in nashville it snapped 200 utility poles i mean that yeah that's free that shouldn't happen uh yeah yeah in terms of like weird years i feel like i'm too deep in it right now to be able to give myself the distance to just sort of

observe what's happening at least in the sense of like comparing it to other times because i felt like i don't know i feel like a weird year for me was getting out of college like i still think of like right how i thought yeah or just like because the market crashed and i was like getting out of college like this whole idea of like yeah man you get your degree and now you have a career and you're middle class now i'm like dude i'm working at a fucking t-shirt store and like kids are puking on me and i have like i'm not here with like a history degree i think but it's yeah this on paper like as you say when you tick the boxes it's like yeah we let it we just let that official dod acknowledgement of those ufos be like man okay there's ufos forget it. No need to look into that more.

It is shocking how many gigantic stories have just completely flown under the radar, even in the past couple of weeks, where it's just like, yep, that's bad, that's scary, but I just don't have the headspace for it at this time. We'll get back to aliens harassing the military. It's so funny because I spent the entire 90s watching the X-Files

and the entire premise was that aliens are out there, but that the government is desperately trying to cover them up. And here it was the Department of Defense like, yeah, just letting everybody know there's some sort of I don't know, interdimensional beings or something that's harassing

our aircraft. If you know something about it, if you know what planet they're from, let us know. Drop us a tip. Tips at DOD.gov. We're going to crowdsource this thing. Yeah, the public's like, oh yeah, right, sure. This is what you've been waiting on your whole life.

People demanding the Area 51 files. It's like, no, here they are. Just look at that video of that Tic Tac tac that's all you need to be like oh no no no we're someone either they're real or somebody knows way too much and we're stupid as fuck and we're way behind jason have you read the debunking or the skeptical take on those videos and like the fact that you can explain it all with just like camera movements and different things being out of focus etc uh yeah and that's the fun part

to me because i've written about ufo culture a few times because i find it fascinating it's like a new religion it's right and like the origins of like as a cultural force it's really interesting like ufo abductions and why people believe in that kind of thing and where it comes from in the subconscious or whatever the whole fantasy it's just funny that now we have a government that pretty much believes in ufos and the public's just over it because this was in the you know the whole reason the x-files was a hit is that used to be such a big part of the culture is this underground. It's like, man, if we could, you know, if they could let us into Area 51 or the, let us know what really happened at Roswell, which was just, it's a government, you know, the radiation test balloon.

And now that it's like under Trump, the fact that his government talks as if UFOs are real is like the 37th least weird thing about this this administration like it just doesn't even it's like yeah okay we just they have so little credibility that not even that matters anymore yeah all right well we're gonna get to know you even better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about although i feel like we're not gonna have a ton of time to get to anything because we have the last dance and also Jason always has interesting things to say up top. But if we have time, we'll talk about Ivanka and Elon Musk. The most cursed Twitter thread of all time, yeah.

Yeah. Kroger did a 180. I don't even know if we need to cover it, but it looks like because the Daily Zeitgeist covered their cutting of the hero bonuses, they've decided to reverse course. We did it, y'all. We did it.

Just like that. Just like that. Our influence. We're going to talk Last Dance. We're also going to talk about Scoob if we have a chance. Scoob! Really? I watched Scoob. You did?

I bravely watched Scoob. Oh yeah, that's right. You were texting us about it on Friday night. Yeah, because Scooby-Doo got human teeth! Anyways. Alright, well we do have to get into that. But first but first Jason we like to ask our guests what is something from your search

history that's revealing about who you are or where you are is it safe to get a haircut yeah is it it is very difficult to find the answer to that question

that people have never seen like a picture of me my hair It is very difficult to find the answer to that question. The people have never seen like a picture of me. My hair. Well, if you've seen the last dance, like there's that one security guard. Yeah. It has like the platinum locks, like the luxurious curls. That's like what my hair looks like. Yeah. It takes about seven hours in the chair.

Yeah. In the chair to make it look like that but where i'm at they're reopening restaurants are open um and hair places i guess are going to reopen in maybe another week or something like that so it is now an individual decision i no longer have the law telling me what i can and cannot do so So I've had to start Googling. Well, is it safer to go to a restaurant with 30 other people than it is to sit in a hair salon with one person and we're both wearing masks? It doesn't seem like it would be, but they're so like,

there's no official CDC guidelines saying yes or no. Is it safe to get a haircut? There's all of these qualifiers. It's like, well, are you showing symptoms? Have they tested the staff? It's like, I, are you showing symptoms? Have they tested the staff? It's like, I don't know.

How do I find that out? Yeah. Like how well do they sanitize the chairs in between the customer? It's like, I don't know. I don't work there. I'm talking about when is it safe for me to get, you know, because I've gone this long. I can go longer.

It's, you know my my hair does have its own instagram account the fans are asking about it but you know but there's a point to where you have to move past abstinence only and into what is safe intercourse when it comes to hair right well what can you do i mean i feel like the only the way i feel like be safe would be like to be outside yeah outdoor haircut in a windstorm yeah yeah keep that keep those have like yeah have like a dyson fan they're like we've guaranteed we're ensuring the safety of our customers we're giving you this heavy duty dyson fan to hold in front of your face so nothing from behind you can enter the front of your face blow it back and then can enter the front of your face, blow it back

and then you can get the barber sick or whatever but I don't know. There's so many ways to think about it. You can kind of begin to feel safe or unsafe simultaneously. The only issue is that all of the chemicals that are used on Jason's hair to give it that look

that it has would probably kill all plants and animals behind him if they put the fan on it. Uh-oh. Trying to figure out what is, everything is so different from, I mean even block to block at times, it's like people have a completely different attitude

about what can you do, what is it safe to do. It's incredibly confusing. It's almost like our states and cities don't communicate well with us and there's no good place for centralized information. Well, I think because the bottom line would be like, if you really want to know what we think, I'd honestly, we'd probably say just everyone should stay inside until we can fully do contact tracing and proper testing and but since there's a lot of pressure to open somewhat this seems like the lowest risk version of doing it although i feel like most people in the sciences are like i mean yeah that that'll

help but really like we're not gonna have like that same feeling of moving around or like whatever that thrill people are chasing until we can really get an idea of who has what when and where yeah even on even on like on twitter there was like the viral photos when florida reopened the beaches and they had like the photo of all the thousands of people on the beach. And then in my Twitter bubble, you know, they like Photoshopped in the grim Reaper, like, like saying, thank you. But even if you look at that photo,

you have some people wearing masks, walking through the beach, walking their dog and maintaining distance. They're fine. Then you would have a group of 10 people sitting close together on, on blankets or whatever. And they're not fine. Because open air, brief contact, you're probably okay.

But prolonged contact, multiple people, close proximity, sharing, you know, paper plates, cups, whatever, surfaces, in other words. The idea that in that same photo that the danger is like 100 times worse for this person than it is for this person over here. It's really hard to parse that. And in the beginning of the lockdown, it was a lot of fun to just yell at people and say, you know, the way my Sunday school teacher used to tell us the only safe sex is no sex at all. Right. And that works for a while, but you get to be two months into three months into it. And you guys have probably seen, you know, on Twitter and like Nate Silver, people have

been tweeting, there's movement data showing people are getting out everywhere. Not just in, not just in Wisconsin. People are slowly venturing out. No matter what they're saying in polls, people are slowly venturing out. So we have moved to a phase of this where it is like, well, okay. Eating at a restaurant that a lot of restaurants here in Nashville have outdoor seating. Am I safer eating out on the patio than in the dining room? I think it is from what I've read, but good luck getting an authority to tell you like in a hard number. Yeah. Like unequivocally.

Like on a scale of risk because we did have this like this is all reminding me of the aids epidemic because i was a early teenager in the heart of that and trying to get a super clear answer like can i get aids from can i get hiv from oral sex it's like well you know you should probably wear a condom when having oral sex just to be safe. But, but, and eventually they got like more strict guidelines. Like, here's what you need to avoid doing. Here's high risk, low risk. It's hard to find that now.

It's hard to find out like what's the, because they will say, for instance, like the six feet social distancing. The droplets do not magically fall to the ground at exactly like 72 inches. That's just a rough guideline they came up with because that's always been the rule for like if you have the flu or whatever. Because people needed something in terms of a number. But trying to say, well, okay, am I putting myself and my family at risk by going to get a haircut now? Okay, well, what about a month from now?

Is the issue that there's not enough test kits still and that we know the hairdressers are not getting tested? I don't know. And I read for an hour trying to find the answer to it. And even if you can find an answer, it's going to be a very specific answer for a very specific area. Set of circumstances.

Or ideology, even. And I'm sure even business to business, it has to do with which small businesses are prioritizing worker safety and which aren't. And how can you get them to honestly communicate that with you? And like you said, are you in a hotspot where there's a good chance that people have it? But even if you look it up and I say, well, okay, Nashville has, I don't know how many thousand cases, but if the, if I then find out that 80% of those are in nursing homes or in some town, you look on the map and it's got an outbreak, but you find out that outbreak was entirely in a meatpacking plant. So, okay, if I'm out in the suburbs and I'm going to Mastercuts or whatever the haircutting chain is called to get my haircut, does that, you know.

And it's funny because we look back on people in old-timey days when they didn't know anything about disease and they thought that like bad humors in the blood caused sickness. But we're finding out right now, yeah, when it comes down to like how germs are transmitted, we still don't know anything. The average person, I mean. Like the common everyday knowledge in terms of how people shock to find out how long you have to wash your hands to actually get the germs off them.

You know, that's something that feels like we should have all learned in kindergarten. But it's like, oh no, if you're actually trying to kill germs, you've got to wash for a really long time. And if you rewind by a year and just watch people washing their hands in, say, a men's restroom and count what percentage actually were disinfecting their hands, I'm going to guess it's right around zero. And also we have the terrible example of films that are in media where just like just uh let me splash

a little water on my hand and then yeah it's just technique the technicality of getting them wet is yeah it's like it's washing and i think a lot of people too like if you're not really like aware of all of the risks and things you'd be like well you just have to normally just wash your hands you know when you go to the bathroom or something like that it's like when i walk through a store like why am i gonna wash my hand no like there's not pee or poo there yeah it's what like where people i've like i've even found myself even when jackie when she came on and we were talking about her opening the my third eye to the length of hand washing.

I'm just sort of like how limited, you know, like what the risks were that were real to me. And it just takes a second for you to like open yourself and be like, oh, yeah, that is a vulnerability. And I wonder if that's just a thing, too. We talk about people just sort of rejecting this feeling that they could be at risk. And that's how they sort of reassert their feeling of like virality or feeling alive is by being out there with no mask has anyone seen uh there's been some signs at least popping up in massachusetts i haven't seen them near where i live but uh signs in the front of businesses that say do not wear gloves while you're in here um those yeah i i had my weekly family update call and across massachusetts at least there are signs that say don't wear gloves in here wear your mask but don't wear gloves because like your gloves will

just bring in the germs from the place you just were there's no point in wearing them and like you're not changing them every time exactly yeah they're like just sanitize your hands before coming in and after you leave that's way way more helpful to yourself and other people than wearing gloves from store to store to store because then you're just spreading germs. Right. It's almost like you guys have to deal with the germs. I'm just keeping them off my hands. But I don't give a fuck about you guys. They're like, I've got these hand condoms that I fuck the town with and I never change them.

Turns out gloves in the store is a selfish approach, or at least that's the tack Massachusetts is taking. Well, it makes sense because I see, like, unless you see people, I've seen people who clearly discarding their gloves, like medical professionals, like with the right technique and discarding them when they leave a store or whatever or about to enter.

But then like you're saying too, there are a lot of people who are like the one pair of gloves gang these are my gloves yeah don't want to wash my hands because i wear these gloves and then i will touch them realistically i don't have access to that many gloves so i don't either so i'll wash my hands so it's like yeah just sanitize your hands i'm fine enough knowing that the hand washing is is sufficient that i don't have to wear a glove in anywhere as long as I'm not touching my face or anything afterwards. I guess something that didn't occur to me until Jack brought up the way we see hand washing in pop culture, I'm now thinking about all of the funny germaphobe characters like

Monk and what was the Jack Nicholson movie where he played- As Good As It Gets. Yeah. And now I wonder if I went back and watched them, I'm not even sure that Jack nicholson movie where he plays as good as it gets yeah and now i wonder if i went back and watched them i'm not even sure that jack nicholson was washing his hands long enough in the scene that was making fun of how much he washes his hands yeah he's a fucking oracle yeah well no i'm saying that even he wasn't doing it enough i'm saying that even looking back like like with monk and they would have like some hilarious thing where he would pull out his handkerchief before he would touch something dirty because he didn't want to get his hands dirty. It's like, that's not sanitary.

That handkerchief can carry. Yeah, you wouldn't start nitpicking his compulsions. But these were held up as like, you're an unmanly weirdo who needs medication because Jack Nicholson, thank God, took medicine at the end of the movie that cured him of his hand-washing obsession. Where now you have to want to look back. It's like, okay, even that comical exaggeration of what,

you know, sanitation is, was actually not, no, they actually, he didn't go 20 seconds. I'm pretty sure the medication he took was love. The love of a good woman in Hell and High.

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to be like, please vote for our film. And as good as it gets, had laser-printed stills from the film put on to like frosting onto cookies like this was the early wave of printed cookies and my mom got such a kick out of that shit she fucking kept that shit in the refrigerator for fucking years i'm i would almost be willing to wager that if I go to her home right now, that that cookie may still be in the refrigerator because I asked, dude, get rid of it. She's like, no, but it's Jack Nicholson. And it's so interesting. It's on this cookie. I'm like, it's old trash, but salute an immigrant mom for never wasting anything, especially if it looks like it was expensive. All right, guys, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we were just talking about how we might have just set a record for not even getting to the overrated, underrated before the first ad break uh that's the goat move lebron but jason we like to ask

our guests what is something you think is underrated the old irresponsible trashy fast food commercials because right now i will be watching some escapist lighthearted show but then the commercial break comes on and it's like the solemn piano music and the Burger King logo or the subway logo. And it's like their workers have rubber gloves on and masks.

And it's like, we know times are tough, but we will get through this together. We at Burger King are doing everything we can to make sure that your food is safe. And it's like, man, that is not what I want out of fast food ads right now. I, I know we're in a pandemic,

right? You already were making food that can kill me. And you used to make ads, making fun of that fact, like Carl's junior. I need you to come to my rescue now is the time to release like the most irresponsible thing you've ever made where it's like a cheeseburger where there's like four patties and then the bun is like a churro

like coated in like sugar and cinnamon and it's got like nine strips of bacon on it. And then like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. The ad campaign is like the tiger King doing the ad, doing the ad from prison over a video call. Like I want, I want you to make the most outrageous, hateful thing. Don't acknowledge the pandemic. Don't even talk about it.

Just show people the way you show them before eating the burger on the beach, and it's like a sexy woman or something. Because, you know, just please. That's what ads are for. They take place in this alternate universe where we are all invincible and nothing matters. Right. Right. Yeah. I think that now would be like a really good time to like, yeah, double down on how fun fast food can be too.

Last night I was in a Mac Tonight hole. I'm like, they should just bring back Mac Tonight. That would be a great approach to the quarantine is just reviving old shitty fast food characters that are funny and then just have Mac Tonight be like, don't touch me. I would like that better. I would like that better. The other alt-right would love that too.

Why haven't you the guy that used to do the subway ads? Bring him back. The guy that lost all the weight? Is there something wrong with MacTonight? I got some bad news, man. MacTonight is like an icon in the alt-right.

I didn't know that. I just knew he was played by Doug Jones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like anything, the white supremacists find a way of co-opting. They took Mac Tonight? They took Mac Tonight. Jamie, this is a new podcast. You reclaiming Mac Tonight.

I can't believe they took Mac Tonight. Mac Tonight is a weird weird al spoof on mac the knife which is a song that is from the three penny opera like the 1928 uh weimar republic three penny opera it's like such a bizarre idea yeah i, I'm pretty sure. That's the whole idea, right? Is Mac the Knife, Mac tonight? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. That's like his song. That's so upsetting.

Oh, well, that ruined, absolutely ruined my day. It's 2020, you know, nothing's safe. But yeah, I think with those fast food commercials, it really is, it's like, I'm not relying on Subway, I don't, I'm not relying on subway to keep me safe. I'm not relying on these people to keep me safe. Sure. I'm fine. If you're an insurance provider and you're telling me, or like a bank saying, well, I

mean, that would be fantastic. Like, Hey man, no mortgages for a while. Huh? All right. We get the point. Huh? Sorry. From us to you, take it easy for a little bit.

We get it. It's tough. Rather than being like hey we'll have a long phone call where we'll still tell you that you owe us the money but like the subway needs to just like you're saying jason you're watching something escapist you don't want like i feel like you almost get hoodwinked where you see like a subway logo you're like oh thank god a subway commercial and then it's just like overflowing like ers and it's like you know enduring this crisis like i don't need that imagery

in my fast food commercial at the moment like things are very tense enough as it is and also reassuring me that your employees are wearing gloves and and are not breathing on the food i'd be fine if it just turned out that was always true i kind of right because germs were not invented two months ago that's you know so i will just i'm fine with just assuming that kentucky fried chicken or whoever is being sanitary take do the thing that i need you to do which is make food fun and i used to criticize those ads i've criticized junk food culture we've done podcasts about it i now wish i had it back that's why it's underrated to me because i did not realize the comfort they were providing me until it was gone like so many things the odd thing too is these companies are missing

such a great opportunity just to performatively act like they give a fuck about their employees like if i saw a commercial being like when you you come into a Burger King, like we are doing everything to make sure every team member is as safe as possible. Like if they need time off, we do. And that to me, exactly that to me as a consumer would motivate me more to go to a place like that right now, because I'm like, damn, that's cool. Like, even though this is all chaotic, like someone is actually making it a priority to say, look, if we're gonna open we want to make sure that there's absolutely zero risk to our teammates or whatever that's why you can like the safety is born out of the fact that we're keeping our employees safe i think that's more of

an interesting yeah marketing hook but you know what but that's so easily disproved that i bet they're like let's not even bother to pretend that we care about our employees because we never have. Jason, what's something you think is overrated? Spare time? Because I left my day job at Cracked in March. And it was unrelated to the pandemic. There was total coincidence that I left because I thought, all right, I've left. There was total coincidence that I left because I thought, all right, I've left.

Now I can do all of the things I could not do back when I effectively had two jobs, like get in shape and stay in touch with my friends. And like, you know, all the people like, I wonder what happened to Jack. I should contact Jack and see how he's doing. And it turned out, no, it actually was not. Time was not the problem before. And I know you're going to say, well, yeah, but you had a little spare time, but there's also all this anxiety because of the pandemic, and that's not real spare time.

But I feel like that's the point. It was always about energy and mental energy and not, because if I really cared about fitness, I'd probably have made time for it. See, it's funny. I took that moment where I was cared about fitness, I'd probably have made time for it. See, it's funny. I took that moment where I was like, well, I've run out of excuses. My back was against the wall, and I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to start doing the thing that I said I wouldn't do,

which is exercise. And I've been able to do that, I think, because I was bullshitting myself with the excuse of time. And then there's nothing like for me i can i motivate myself sometimes when i've completely ran out of excuses like i will argue ridiculous things to not do in my mind but when i finally like i'm i've ran out there's no choice but for me to act so that's one thing that has happened but i think yeah the spare time it was always in relation to like how our lives were working vis-a-vis like our employment too, is what I realized.

I want you to make a mental note of that. Cause we're going to come back to this in the last dance section when we start talking about self-motivation and the weird things the human brain does to self-motivate. Yeah. But I used used to i think it kind of called my bluff because i told myself well i only don't do these things because it's i just don't have time like it's like yeah but you willingly filled your schedule so you wouldn't have to do these things right right but isn't there a part of you where you're like i'm full of shit i was just saying i wanted to do it and i used this excuse didn't wouldn't that then be like are you you just saying, I guess I didn't really want that. It's just something I was saying to myself, because I think that's the moment I had where I was like, then am I just full

of shit? And I just kept saying, just bullshitting myself about this. And that's when I was like, no, no, no. Like now, now's the time to not continue that anymore. I admire that you were able to take the extra step where you turn the self-loathing into action. Many of us find that difficult and we just get stuck at the self-loathing stage. And then get this, we take the self-loathing as an accomplishment. Like I feel sufficiently guilty about the fact that I'm not exercising. Therefore, I am morally crediting myself with feeling guilt about not exercising. Job done. I am a good person because I feel bad about the

fact that I didn't call all of my friends and family that I've been neglecting for the last 20 years. It's like the fact that I hate myself for it and I could go out on Twitter and make jokes about it and on podcasts. this is my exercise right here. It's me talking about it. Right. Because in your mind, you're like, well, I'm engaging with it in a very reasonable way. Correct. No problem.

Self-awareness is the thing that excuses everything else for me. See, I think I've arrived at another level of self-awareness where I'm aware of that awareness. And I'm just like, what the fuck? What's the point of even thinking all this shit in your head now? another level of self-awareness where I'm aware of that awareness. And I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, what's the point of even thinking all this shit in your head now, excusing a bunch of inactivity. And I was like, no,

I ironically admire that. I'm not being sarcastic at all. I, I'm not joking though, Jason, this is maybe a 10 year process though. Like it was 10 years of me saying I'd have spare time. Okay.

So I was front loading a lot of energy to make to try and get this thing working it and i guess this is all it took was me to have zero options to be like i've smoked as much weed as i can today i've played as many video games i can today i might as well try and run for a little bit yeah it's been a real forrest gump thing you've been just running running across the country ever since the pandemic started. Yeah, Miles is recording from a different location all the time. I'm running right now, actually. And that's how good I've gotten my reading.

A different postcard location. With my lipstick on it. Sealed with a kiss. Swack. Yes. I can now do the Jane Fonda tape, but from memory. I don't have to watch it anymore. Oh, shit.

I can just do it. So you can start leading them. It's been like 70 days. I could just do it now. I love that. It's fun. Yeah. I'm with Jason.

I've just gotten less energy to do the things that I thought I would have. Or you got to motivate yourself. I tried for a while doing Diamond Dallas Page yoga because I like wrestling. And I was like, well, DDP, he's, you know, he's broke his back a ton. And if he's doing yoga, maybe he'll help me along. That worked for a little bit. Jason, what's a myth? What's something people think is true, you know, to be false or vice versa?

Well, I realize that up till now, I've picked a series of things that each come with like 30 minutes of discussion. This one is really straightforward and shouldn't really trigger any discussion at all. The myth is that the pandemic response is going to be the scandal that finally changes voters' minds about Trump like this. I'm getting, again, in my Twitter bubble, I get those comfort food headlines where it's like, we talked to some voters who thought that the coronavirus was a hoax because Trump told them so. Now they're all sick and they're changing their minds. And then you can click right on over to Trump's approval rating to say, oh, his approval rating is actually higher than it was in January of

2017, right after he got sworn into office. It's we've nothing has changed. It goes up and it goes down. It always snaps back to the same level of around 42, 43, 44% support. Yeah, it's interesting. You're like, yeah, and their minds are now changed except not on white supremacy which is what this is really all about because the pandemics what i think if black and brown people started doing better in the country his approval rating would go down like that's where you'd see

his supporters be like uh no i signed up for this because i was cheering in the streets when you're forcing people to go back to work to serve me uh and i think i mean it's but it's true i think we always look at this all the time i'm like yeah it is what it is this is people are just you know they're all in on what he represents not even it's it's not about the the issues anymore just what he represents yeah and i don't mean that to be discouraging it's just that it's hard to see because we we did an article on cracked about this like the first headlines of Trump voters realizing he's crazy and turning on him go back to 2015. Right. Because he had announced for the primaries and initially had some polling that looked

stronger than you would suspect from the freaking host of The Apprentice running for president. And then they went out and interviewed some people. It was after he had did the speech about, you know, Mexico sending the rapists and the murderers and all that. And they had found some people saying, well, you know, I was intrigued in the beginning, but this is a step too far. And after every gaffe, after every, the Russia stuff, after the big thing was the tariffs.

And they went and interviewed a bunch of farmers who were losing their farms because of the tariffs they couldn't sell to china and it's like you know they get these great quotes it's like well you know i voted for him from 2016 because i thought he would initiate change but i've learned my lesson he's full of hot air and those things will get so many retweets and likes in my Twitter bubble. And so many people love and dunk on those people. It's like, ah, now you recognized it, you dumbass. And then you click right on over to the approval ratings.

Like, nope, that's exactly the same. Yeah, I think that's why the bottom line, it's just like, just have to energize as many other people to vote against him as possible. We know that there's that immovable block. Now do all of the work around everything else around that. And that's where, and not to go down the rabbit hole of the election, I realize we've got six months to talk about the election, but specifically you have about six states, and you guys can probably name them. Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin.

Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, four states or so that Trump flipped from Hillary or flipped from Obama that if Biden flips three of the four, that's it. We already know how California is going to vote. The talk of Texas turning blue, please, it's not going to happen this time. There's like four states, and then among those four

states, you're talking about something like, what do you think, Jack, 200,000 voters total? And that's why the Republicans are, there's not, they're going to spend so much money on this campaign. You're going to see so many ads. The ads are going to make you sick. They're going to spend so much on Facebook ads and all that.

Ultimately, it's going to come down to, can voter suppression in the swing states keep like 50,000 people home? That's all you need. Like voter ID laws, it doesn't matter if it mostly affects people who wouldn't have voted anyway. You're talking about the slimmest of margins in four, five, six states. And just, if you can just close certain polling places, things like that, that's where the battle is. And all of this, like we on Twitter, we in the podcast space over the next six months are going to obsess over scandals and gaffes and, oh, Trump pooped his pants during the debate. This will surely be the end. In the end, these ratings went up.

The people on the ground who really know what they're doing know that it's about the slimmest of margins of turnout in this half dozen states and that's all that's going to matter. So all of this other stuff is kind of sideshow. Yeah.

Like I do keep talking about how I'm reading about the Weimar Republic, and I don't know, like maybe it's just the reading of that, but I keep like feeling like the way that we're seeing all of this in the, like by paying attention to it in the like more micro zeitgeist level is missing that there's like just an overall shift happening that is really like dangerous that the country is really like teetering on the brink of something bad and i i don't know if that's just me selectively reading about pre-Nazi Germany or I don't want to give Elon Musk this much power because I think he's been like a capitalist shitheadanka's tweeting taken and I don't know it just feels like yes it feels like there's a hard wall that uh he's not gonna drop below because of like an inbuilt like culture of white supremacy that was reminded that, you know, we, it's terrified of, uh, losing that, that edge with Obama. And like, so people just aren't, aren't willing to go down at all, but

I, I, I don't know if it can't go in the other direction. I I'm, I'm not so sure that, uh, not so sure that uh we can't totally lose the thread of of you know rationality and reasonableness as a as a country and as a culture well i mean i think things are already bad to be honest um there's already i mean yes there's like uh there's like lawlessness without lawlessness, if that makes sense. It doesn't feel like people still get in. They respect what a line is to get into a movie or whatever or back before all of this. But there was still just rampant killing of vulnerable people. there's constant financial warfare being played out economic warfare being played out in a class of people who are like living in an absolute hellscape prior to all of this like day-to-day life was not pleasant and i think it's interesting because you know like every subsequent fucked up

global event we learn like okay we don't want to fight like that anymore like we don't want to fight with like just shooting each other's faces off in the street like that war. So then we kind of learn a little bit more from each one and it begins to look a little bit different. But now, I mean, I would absolutely argue that, you know, life is absolutely hard to imagine going through all the time when you live in a place where you have no support, if you have mental health problems, if are vulnerable as lgbtq youth in a conservative area where your family's

ousted you if you're a person of color trying to jog um there's yeah there's a lot of there's just but that's the thing like the people who are so angry right now these like dress up patriots and shit they're only they're only willing to get angry because they want to go to a bar. That's not stakes, but those are their stakes. And that's clearly enough to motivate them. But there are people who are looking down the proverbial barrel of a completely different gun that I think is also very frightening. And I think looking at friends and family who are in precarious situations with their finances even now just because of this and just looking at the absolute lack of any kind of feeling of safety

or anything from the government or local leadership is fucking terrifying. But yeah, we're definitely, every day we're polarized more and more and more. And I think, Jack, like you were saying, just that Lily Wachowski reply of hers just to the both of them saying, yeah, fuck both of you. It really does speak to like that's all we've got anymore.

Right. Like all we can say is that fuck you guys, because we've like a lot of us are pretty much resigned to the fact that we're having trouble addressing this this creeping problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's very impotent. Yeah. Yeah. It's very impotent. As far as the voter issues go, I mean, it seems like this is a very cynical way to look at it. But it's like just based on even very recent evidence, it seems like if there is an opportunity on either side really to fuck around with voting, that will be taken full advantage of because as recently as two months ago we were asking people in like places where that were already technically quarantined to go to voting sites like it's it's already there's a total lawlessness in approach to like how actual voting is working and ideally we would all be like okay we're going to vote by mail this is going to be great but

but it's but i just don't see it going that way there's no there's no way that this election won't be somehow tampered with and there's already like i mean voter suppression is already so rampant where it's like we already know that like people of color are prevented from voting uh all the time there's like id issues there's all this shit and it's like it's just gonna it's not gonna get better like what you, it's just. But let me predict in advance. Here's a tactic that Trump and his administration loves to use. They will leak or suggest an outrageous policy, something that has universal backlash. And so he will leak or suggest or say, well, maybe we should delay the election for a year

until we know what's going on. Let the media go nuts. Let the Twittersphere go nuts. Let all of the late night comedians go nuts comparing him to a dictator. Then he will walk back from that, but we'll put out there a policy that is extremely subtle. Well, we'll go ahead and have the election, but just to be safe, we're going to shut down certain polling locations that we've judged to be high risk. Right. Right. Based on these outbreaks clusters, oh, which, look at that, the data seems to say that's

in a lot of black and brown areas or correct areas yeah and it will be released and you will have like some 10 000 word atlantic article breaking down the systemic oppression of this plan and then you'll have on fox news it's like well you i guess you want people to get sick because you were so upset when they voted in wisconsin the primary like we're out here trying to keep people safe and they will, it will sound reasonable to a lot of average people. It's like, well, you know, of course we want to make, make sure you're only going to the safe locations. Of course we want to, you know, they can drive to the polling place. How hard is that? Everyone has a

car, don't they? And, and because the outrage, we will feel like we won the battle like oh the twitter backlash was so strong we made trump have the election we are so good and powerful that this other policy that again all it has to do is shift a couple hundred thousand votes it doesn't you know it doesn't matter it doesn't have to stop everyone from voting. It just has to shift the narrowest of margins in these half a dozen states, and that that's how they will do it. That the actual plan won't be like something from a movie where a dictator does it. It will be a more subtle hand. Because while Trump just barely understands politics, he's surrounded by people who actually understand it very well. Right. Yeah. All right. As much as I'd like to continue to discuss all the subtle ways our democracy is being dissolved, we have to get to the important matter of Last Dance. It ended last night. But first, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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stations so i had daily chicago papers i could read all those sports columnists but that picture they showed at the end of all the faces in the crowd when when jordan was about to hit the winning shot. And there's like this still shot of this white crowd in Utah. And oh, their face, there's like this look of despair in everyone's face. I have that framed behind me right now. I have that photo. That's amazing. And we're going to bring in super producer Anna Hosnier, who also watched The Last Dance and was

very it was fun to watch The Last Dance with you Anna over text I just really enjoyed your observations you really like got into the series and like were surprised by things

that I had taken for granted a long time ago. It was this show. Like some of my earliest memories growing up is watching like from like I want to say like 95 to 98 is what I remember watching the Bulls the most with my dad and brothers. And that it really it hit home, man. the most with my dad and brothers. And that it really, uh, it hit home, man. I was like so nostalgic and happy.

And like, I was really into basketball as a kid. Uh, cause I wanted to fit in with like the boys and my fam. And there's so many things I remember. And let me just say like my dad, the first place he came to America and he from Iran was Utah. So he's this huge jazz fan and we we like

our family our family like last night the group chat was just like everyone just saying fuck carl malone to my dad and he was just like well uh well technically uh he's a great like it's just like uh whatever dad you can't even admit that this like to this day to this day he's still out here trying to defend carl malone even though we're like he's a bad person altogether i remembered carl malone as a dork and sure enough he he delivered with just by just appearing constantly with like jeans with a t-shirt tucked into his high-waisted jeans uh and then when he was in that TV movie as the cowboy, I was like,

no, this is too far now. He looked like an absolute clown show. But Jordan was such a dork too. Well, he was a dork for basketball. Yeah, but he was like a dork when that part where you get to see him listening to music before the game

and he's like dancing. And like I went and listened to the Kenny Lattimore music that he was dancing to. You know how to sing Kenny Lattimore? Yeah, and it's just this like real like soft rock, like shit you would hear on like a smooth jazz stations. Just so whack. We talked about this a little bit before

and last night too. But I, so a lot of this information is like, I know the general beats, but I was really little when this happened. So I don't know like the little stuff, like the flu game, I was not aware of that. I didn't know that was a thing. And so when that came up in episode nine

and they were like, all of a sudden they're talking about a pizza and it's like the most serious shit in the entire world. I was like, I was so confused. It is so funny rewatching that even knowing what happens

because you're like, okay, it's fine. Everything was fine. But like, it gets so solemn. The music changes. Whatever, one of those guys is like,

five guys, one pizza. It just didn't feel right you're like what are you talking about it's it is it was they never explain what they're implying like i knew it didn't take i knew it wouldn't take five people to deliver one pizza and sure enough he got deathly ill it's like what they were just talking about like they were just Jordan fans. The number of people that came with the pizza have nothing to do with... It was just really...

And the fact that canonically, Michael Jordan's in a room with four other people at 1 a.m. and eats a whole pizza by himself. There should have been multiple people who got sick from that pizza. But Jordan was like, not on my watch. I'm going to eat a whole pizza at one that was all i did it was that was one of the things that uh we learned or i i've talked before on this podcast about like

stories where he goes out and like drinks a case of beer with uh jeremy ronick on the golf course and then goes out and like puts 50 on the Cavs that night. It's just incidentally in here where before one of the games in the very series where people are like, oh my God, I can't believe that he got sick, where he is doing a shoot around and is like, yeah, I just had a couple beers and a cigar. That's how he got ready for a shoot around in the finals, in the NBA finals. He has an unnatural, somebody talked about how he has this insane metabolism,

and I feel like that's on display. He can just treat his body like a garbage dumpster, and it just has unending reserves of energy it's aspirational really it's great oh for sure it's they say what they accuse the pizza of someone messing with it to taint it i mean they don't say that outright but it's implied like it's like they heavily they they interviewed michael his that trainer and that, who's that white guy who keeps saying it's his best friend? It's his personal assistant slash best friend.

I don't know. Yeah. The guy he hired to be his best friend. Yeah. And they're like, well, you know, and they're using this accusatory tone, which they're talking about something that would be a felony. Like you can look up what pizza place that was. You could look up who delivered the pizza.

Probably like, that's not a small thing to throw out in a documentary when here's the reality. Michael Jordan's diet for that day was probably some donuts, four cigars, a bottle of scotch, a few beers, and an entire pizza eaten at 1am. He's got,

oh man, my stomach, it sounds like my stomach started hurting. I knew they had to have tampered with it there's uh-huh there's no other reason why eating a pizza in the wee hours of the morning an entire pizza by yourself would and that's all i needed that's why i went to the city of naples and i burned it to the ground because that's where the pizza was invented i love i really i really liked this documentary but it's like I would love to see the same version of events

of this documentary if Michael Jordan were not deeply involved and if everyone weren't clearly afraid of Michael Jordan. Right. Or just not produced by his team. It would be very interesting. Yeah, yeah. Because everyone has been comparing this to the OJ doc,

which is not really fair. Not fair to the OJ doc, which is not really fair. But there is... Not fair to the OJ doc. Not fair to OJ. Yeah, justice for the OJ doc. To OJ. But it is like you can feel, especially in the way that some of the journalists talk, what was that line that it was just like, it was just cringy.

It was like, no, he didn't touch that guy. Like that wasn't a foul. It was a maitre d bringing you to your table and you're like shut the fuck up what are you talking about the push off of byron yeah i mean the whole thing also that that leaves out is that basketball is like refereeing basketball is all about what it looks like and that looked like a push-off so like in normal circumstances it would have been called a push off but I don't know what that is I just

know it that calling it a maitre d guiding you to your table is bullshit I forget who said that I have a question how when did okay this is something I observed over my time watching observing basketball I don't watch it I observe it

it seems the better player you are and the more respected you are you're it's totally okay to travel yeah okay that's the nba okay there are rules for the stars and the rules for other people okay because it looks like jordan had a few moments where he was traveling you seen lebron yes that's what i'm talking about because he's constantly on shacked in a pool traveling and I'm like, okay, walking with the ball court with both hands on it with everyone around him doing the whole reaction. Like what did you just see that? And I'm doing the same thing at home. Like, oh, it's cool.

Oh, you can if you're that great, you could walk this ball through this court and everyone's like, well, he's Jordan. Fascinating metaphor for life there. Yeah. Nothing else about life from watching the doctor. he's Jordan. Fascinating. There's a metaphor for life there. You learn nothing else about life from watching the doctor. It just takes me back to Jon Hamm in 30 Rock, the really beautiful doctor, so he didn't even know what he was doing, but he was a doctor. He was in a bubble.

He didn't know what the real world was like. That's Jordan. One of the most fascinating things about Michael, something this documentary tries to hide, which is that he is a nerd in a jock's body. When you hear him trying to like, just have conversations with people and trying to relate to people,

it doesn't surprise me at all that his only friends are like his dad and his security guards. He doesn't, when he tries to talk like he just falls back on the same kind of like fake trash talk or whatever like i will get you next time you get a sense if he was having a real conversation with somebody that he wouldn't know what to say because he doesn't he's a nerd he's a basketball nerd he's a dork he his his tastes are not in line with other people's. He doesn't know how to dress himself. It's just he happens

to look like Michael Jordan. He's always wearing a bucket hat. It's the same thing with I think Dennis Robin is a genius, but because of the outward stuff, you don't recognize him as a genius. It's like we judge people on appearances. No, he is a basketball genius. He has figured out basketball

in a way that another genius would have figured out, like germs or molecules or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was one of the, like, there are very interesting characters that just get kind of glossed over, but I mean, he's probably like you leave the documentary. I think most people thinking he's probably more interesting than Michael Jordan. I agree with that. I'm a huge Dennis head. I was going to make a video of to the like the leave Britney alone as the leave Dennis alone because they're so hard on him.

And it always, you know, actually on the ethnically ambiguous episode that dropped today, we talk a lot about how because these are black men, they are always held to a higher standard of how they are supposed to act. And no matter what they do, it overshadows the fact that they actually are these incredibly gifted athletes. Rodman came in and he delivered in every game, regardless of where he was or who he was partying with. But no one can look past that because it's like, well, he there's a wedding dress yeah there's just always a higher standard when you're a person of color that you have to meet in order to get that sort of respect well i think he also had a whole bunch of toxic masculinity going against him as well like yeah a lot of the other ways he's like there were many levels at which people were finding ways to fault him. I think if Dennis Rodman were a rookie a year ago or something, and we're starting to see this evolution,

we're like, man, this guy's an interesting guy. He's a cool guy. He's great. Watching him hit someone with a chair was so... What a treat. He had to do that wrestling, sorry to say. He had to. That's a great joke.

He had to. That's essential work. There's like coded language that in sports, it even comes up in this, in that episode or in this last episode that was on where, when it's a white player, there's all this like, why so scrappy?

He's a, he's a gym rat. He's like Steve, Steve Hart. It's like, well, yeah, he's got heart.

You can tell he worked for everything he ever did. You did not hear that applied to Dennis Robin, Dennis Robin. It's like, well, yeah, he's got heart. You can tell he worked for everything he ever did. You did not hear that applied to Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman, it's like, or any of the, like, Scotty Pittman's like, grew up in the hood, escaped getting shot, used his natural basketball gifts to escape the hood. Like, there's none of the talk of how hard Dennis Rodman worked, because I'm telling you, he worked out more than anybody else on that court probably any two of them put together but with the little

white guy it's always well you know he he earned everything you know he's a scrappy scrappy gym rat because you know going up to those those brothers you know because who knows what kind of eugenic stuff was going on back in the antebellum period it's like what the fuck are you trying to imply with all this shit it's like it all goes back to like mandingo other eyes like the horsepower on these men kind of bullshit but yeah it is frustrating to hear that you get the same thing in football when there's a black quarterback and it's like well will he be more of a warren moon or a michael vick it's like well why can't he be a joe montana it's like and i don't even know if they notice themselves doing it no but it's something i do not this documentary didn't like to talk a lot about because again this this stuff happened during

the i mean the la the rodney king riots like This was the 90s. This was flashpoint for a lot of these issues. And Michael's whole thing was like, no, I'm just not going to be that guy. I don't know. I know nobody wants to watch a whole episode dedicated to that stuff. I would. Because we brought that up. And I think it would be interesting to see someone like Michael with his outsized figure and, you know, how important he is to the culture to even hear somebody wrestle with that of saying like, that puts me, I have a choice to make. If I speak my mind, I will most likely completely like evaporate everything I've accomplished from a financial aspect, professionally.

I don't know, maybe my game is too good for somebody to bench me, but I know there will be problems if I open my mouth. And I would love to hear a very honest conversation about that with him, Magic, a lot of the people involved, just because I think that's important for people to hear because I think on certain levels, people have moments where they're like, should I speak out? And you start weighing what the risks are. And sometimes you're like, that was actually a good call. This person actually didn't end up being worthy of my defense. Or you might say, you might feel deeply guilty about it and say, oh my God, I could have, I may have been able to do something that would have changed the outcome. Whether that's for us

on our level of maybe I could have helped somebody out on a personal level or Michael Jordan be like, what could I have done societally? We're having to figure out if it's worth speaking our minds or rather we just want to keep it low and keep, you know, not have too much turbulence and, you know, thrive that way. It's interesting. Yeah, I was curious as to like, I mean, I feel like in general, the documentary didn't didn't give Dennis Rodman a really fair like I don't know I mean I know it's not about him but it didn't seem to glaze over a lot of the Dennis Rodman stuff in a way that like it warranted further discussion and I wonder I'm like who is the person

making the call to not explore I mean like what you're both talking about because it fits into the story perfectly there's space for it there's space for an entire episode of discussion but is it that Michael doesn't an entire episode of discussion but is it is it that michael doesn't want to have that discussion like at what point in the production were they like oh this would because it's clear that like as a network espn has wanted to have

that discussion we saw that in the oj documentary but it just i'm like i i was just curious of like where did that stop where did they say we're going to go up to here and then for whatever reason we're not going to go any further and just make it a whatever 20 second segment well i i feel like jordan from the start has made it very clear that he doesn't like discussing the politics of certain things you know like it's all very like keep it to the basketball keep it to the game keep your head in the game don't shoot consumers yeah keep it to the shoe consumers republicans buy shoes too like he likes to keep it i mean and that's you know that's a problem with the whole situation as well like he never felt comfortable to step out of line either

because that's right that was his reputation but that's also the power of white supremacy because you're a you're a man of color you are all all we have are examples of how bad shit goes when you want to call out white supremacy. And again, I think these are such interesting conversations, especially to hear Michael Jordan talk about it. I think, you know, yeah, maybe we need that Dennis Rodman spinoff or whatever. But yeah, there's a lot.

But I get too, like sports are an escape, but I think that's a calculated risk they make is, like, when you start getting into things about, you know, not every – everyone wants to talk about Michael Jordan and the Bulls in that run. Everyone loves it, clearly, by this. Now, does everybody want to have a really deep, nuanced conversation about, you know, the hegemonic power of white supremacy in sports

and our culture and what there leaves our greatest heroes and their decision-making. I see. That's where we're like, well, maybe we can do that a few years down the road. But I think that's probably what the risk, or at least what they were calculate their calculus was. Even talking about like Scottie Pippen's upbringing and almost framing it

like it's this Charles Dickens story where it's like, wow. And one bedroom house with 13 kids and three of them were paralyzed. And it's like, okay. And they put that in because it informs his decision later to take a tiny contract that is a fraction of what he was worth because he was sending the money back home. Right.

There's a huge, there's huge implications there in terms of how he had to live his life based on where he was from and why the place he was from was like that. It just becomes storybook well, inspirational. And you still see this in draft guides, like, grew up under tough circumstances. The father was killed in prison when he was 13. It's like, okay, let's talk about that because you now want to immediately switch back to the

sports. But the whole point of a 10 part documentary is we're going to go off the court. We're going to go behind the scenes and show the real people and what really makes them tick. And you spend so much of it on the practice court and on the bus and it's like man every decision scotty had to make everything about his attitude about the way he talks to authority figures is informed by where he's from and he's a fascinating person because there's all these

conflicts because he knows he's he's great did not want to overshadow michael was playing with someone who knew that if he felt threatened by him for one second, he would just destroy him. Scotty had to balance this in a way that Michael didn't, you know, and obviously Michael's father was killed. That's a tragedy. But the support, you know, from his family and everything, and the same thing with Dennis. Dennis Rahman was homeless for two years out of high school and just stumbled onto a basketball court and now it's like oh it's all piercings and kim jong-un and hair dye it's like man everything that he did was informed by where he was raised and where he was raised is like that for a reason and you could say well

but that's too big of a subject to get into on a basketball doc, but I don't know. I thought the whole point was like talking about what a cultural phenomenon he was and this team was and how it extended beyond sports and extended beyond America. Okay, well, can we talk about this other stuff too instead of just it's like something that's kind of mentioned in passing? I feel like we have a very thorough understanding of how michael jordan sees everything like that's what the documentary gave us or how michael jordan wants people to see

everything um but that's that's it uh but i think that's and but i think that's a thing everyone wanted to though based on yeah everyone tuning in week in, week out. There was something about that getting into the head of somebody that most people who were growing up in the 80s and 90s probably had a poster of or some kind of Bulls something. Yeah. I think there's just very deep nostalgia for a time that seemed simpler and i think i think was

was probably simpler for a lot of people when our parents had really good jobs in the 90s uh can i just say one thing i really the one thing i really respect about jordan and i've texted you guys about this uh over the last few weeks is what an open crier he is um i love that considering he's in a sport and and he came from an era that was surrounded by toxic masculinity and to have that much emotion and to be so open about it like that scene with him lying on the ground falling with the basketball after having won a championship like what yeah that and you know crying jordan meme all that you know he's very open with his emotions and i think that's kind of amazing like that there's so many layers to him in a way where you're like okay you know

he's this very fierce competitor but i i love i love how much he is just down to like i was gonna say ball like ball in both ways but b-a-w-l yeah like but you know but you know you know some poor asshole made the mistake of trying to fucking sun him over crying. I can only imagine what Michael Jordan would respond if somebody was like, Hey, Mike, you crying, bro? And that's all he needed. That's all he needed. And that was all he needed. And then, yeah, he died of a mysterious poisoning about 18 months later.

So who's crying now, bitch? I wouldn't be surprised if we found out the crying meme was actually him. He was behind it. He's like, oh, you're going to make fun of me crying? That's all we needed. Now I'm a meme that you will never forget. Oh, my God. Jason, it's been a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist.

Where can people find you and follow you? you on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you and follow you i have quit my day job so i'm writing books full time now so i'm going to take this opportunity to say just find me wherever they sell books the one you can pre-order now is called zoe punches the future and the dick uh it is a sci-fi novel and the tone of it is conveyed by that title please go to your local bookstores they are desperately struggling call them up on the phone and say i want to pre-order it if you want to avoid amazon 100 understand if you cannot afford books uh that i'm just screwed i don't know what to i don't know what say. I picked the wrong time to do this. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?

Yeah, and I guess you probably cannot play the audio from it, but Steve Martin, comedy legend Steve Martin, his Twitter is mostly him playing the banjo for like 20 seconds at a time. And he is an expert banjo player. And I've gotten more comfort from his banjo playing than a million tweets dunking on the virus um right but yeah if if it's i don't know what the licensing issues would be with actually playing it if you can please do if not i would

encourage people and as i'm speaking that occurs to, some of your fans are too young to know who Steve Martin is or to care about him. Yeah. He's a genius. If you don't, which I think people know. But if you don't. Yeah, we all saw Cheaper by the Dozen. Okay, now hold on.

You mean Father of the Bride? Very briefly, what year did Cheaper by the Dozen come out? 2003. Okay. Some of your listeners were too young to have watched that movie and to know about it. Time marches on and it will eventually murder us all. Shout out to 17 and under Zeitgang. I really wish we could end on that quote.

But Jamie, where can people find you and follow you uh you can find me on twitter.com at jamie left his help on instagram at jamie christ superstar uh i'm gonna shout out a tweet that approximately 500 people tagged me in uh the chucky cheese it's the chuckie cheese thing you know what i just like at this point i'm like the these these these dweebs okay not the people tagging me in it the people that are giving secondhand chuckie cheese news weeks later and get it and then taking credit for breaking the story anyways this makes me so mad okay uh so there the tweet is yesterday i found out that chuckucky cheese realized people didn't want to order takeout from chucky cheese so they changed their info on grubhub apps

to pasquale's pizza and tricked a bunch of people into ordering chucky cheese because pasquale is one of the characters in the band now there's a lot of factual inaccuracies with this attention grabby tweet uh it says most importantly it says yesterday i found out but it happened months ago and uh and and you know what they changed the name to pasquale's pizza so what like i my stance is you expose the scam you made the scam go viral now they got to find another scam they got to start calling it like jper's House of Fine Italian Cuisine. It's not fair. Let Chucky get his.

Stop putting Chucky on blast. I like that hashtag. Let Chucky get his. Ridiculous. But thanks to everyone who tagged me in it. What I would love now is if like food Twitter would pick up like what great pizza this is. It's like, man man why didn't i never know about this pizza chain apparently they've got like 800 locations it's great yeah because

they just don't know that it's chuckie they're the people that were fooled and it anyway that's on them for not knowing chuckie cannon pasquale that's a dead giveaway miles where can people find you follow you twitter instagram playstation Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey, and also my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. Episodes come out Wednesday. Talking about 90 Day Fiance, some tweets that I like. First one is from Lauren Davis, at Lauren Davis. It says, Twitter is bleeding into the local graffiti,

and it's a photo of a piece of broken concrete with blue spray paint that says, Elon is Space Karen, which is a wonderful thing. Another one, this is from at carolxxanax. Interesting. Her display name, not carol. So apparently this woman is pregnant, and there was a photo of her that some other Twitter user tweeted.

So some other person tweeted the photo of this woman pregnant and said, imagine looking like this with laughing tears. And then she replies tweeted the photo of this woman pregnant and said, imagine looking like this with laughing tears. And then she replies, I'm literally eight months pregnant. I don't know what you expect me to look like. Still get my ass ate though, so I guess I'm doing something right. Just a powerful clap back.

Another one is from a past guest, the Clark Jones, at the Clark Jones. What's your favorite LeBron 3 Pete? It's his tweet. Interesting one. Yep. And Dana Donnelly, finally, at Dana Donnelly, says, people who are out at bars right now like, Corona's a hoax.

You're all stupid snowflake sheep baby pussies. Honey, I hope you're right. I hope two weeks from now, I'm also at the bar like, wow, looks like I was being a stupid snowflake sheep baby pussy. I guess we'll see. Super producer on a hose, where can people find you follow you uh i'm at anna hosnia on twitter um also if you want to check out my podcast i host two one called ethnically ambiguous about being a person of color in america is today's episode or i guess excuse me yesterday's episode we talk all i, I go on a tangent

about my Dennis Rodman love. And then I also host a show about Below Deck, the reality TV show called Deckheads with Nick Turner. And boy, it's getting juicy, y'all. I recommend it. And I have some tweets. Can I explore? Yes, please.

Okay. This one's from Rob Perez from World Wide Wob. And he wrote, it's all Jordan because I was on Twitter last night. So it's all Last Dance Team. He wrote, in a 48-hour span, Dennis Rodman played hooky to no consequence, whooped DDP's ass on Nitro, made the game-clinching free throws in a finals game, and then went home with Carmen Electra. This hot streak may never be conquered.

It's not bad. And then there's this other one from Melku Black at OG Mello. It just says, you know, when it's like people talking, it says nobody. And then there's nothing there. And then Michael Jordan. So I took it personal.

That was pretty spot on. And here's another one about Rodman from at Dragonfly Jones. Rodman went AWOL on MJ and the 90s Bulls because he had to go join the NWO. If you're not a certain age, if you're not a certain age, I don't think you can really wrap your head around how that's the coolest sentence you could have possibly put together in 1998.

And then the final one is the one I sent you guys last night, which someone tweeted the picture of the four Ghanaian pallbearers from the funeral. And someone tweeted the pizza delivery guys in Utah is the four Ghanaian pallbearers from the funeral? And someone tweeted, the pizza delivery guys in Utah is the four Ghanaian pallbearers ready to kill to walk your ass to the grave. That's good niche content. Yeah, that's good. And yeah. I liked Jesus Nice's tweet.

Next Sunday, just give us two hours of Jordan watching viral videos on that iPad and reacting. Watch a lot of that. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes,

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