The Daily Zeitgeist - rItTeNhOuSe GOOD, Luigi BAD? 12.11.24

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

In episode 1790, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, podcaster, producer, and creator of HeidiWorld: The Heidi Fleiss Story, Molly Lambert, to discuss… Pokemon Character Sparks Luigi Mangione Conspiracy Theories, Conservative Pundits Are Really Having A Hard Time With Luigi Mangione, Meanwhile At United Healthcare HQ and more! Pokemon Character Sparks Luigi Mangione Conspiracy Theories CNN Guest Floats Wild Conspiracy Theory: Brian Thompson Hired His Own Assassin Internet compares Thompson's murder to 'The Joker' and 'Batman' following arrest of Luigi Mangione Don't Believe This Cryptic Video Purportedly Uploaded By Luigi Mangione Luigi Mangione’s Pokémon preference spawns QAnon-level freak out over ‘hidden’ Bible quote Laura Ingraham's a Massive Hypocrite (Video) Scott Jennings Is Also a Hypocrite Meanwhile At United Healthcare HQ $25 Million UnitedHealth CEO Whines About Social Media Trashing His Industry LISTEN: Sticky by Free WheneverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I will say it makes sense. My sister had a spinal cord injury and she was this close to extremism. She was living anybody with back, anybody with a back injury, like even a slight one, you know what I mean? And then you go orders of magnitude with people like spinal fusions. I don't know anybody who's had back level of back injury and wasn't. Completely. Well, the doctors missed it. The doctors missed it and is the nurse who was like, hey, honey, you need surgery.

And the doctors are like, yeah, you like pull the nerve or like pinched it. Yeah, it was a black doctor. She was a black nurse. She was like, yeah, you need emergency surgery like right this second. And and the doctor was like, oh, yeah, OK, yeah, no, I see that. Oh, yeah, it's crazy. I like the energy of like a white doctor. Oh, honey, you need surgery. No, it was a black doctor.

This feels like a scene in a comedy. He's really known for his bedside manner. He's like, Oh mommy, what is happening with your back? Your espada. No, they just go, the pit bull comes in. So offensive. Oh, Bubba Lo, what's going on? You're like, you're doing Yiddish now?

What the fuck is this? Dr. Worldwide. Yeah. Dr. Worldwide. Oh, yeah. Dr. Worldwide. That's Dr. Worldwide to you. We want to speak out and we want this to stop.

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Hey everyone, this is Courtney Thorne-Smith, Laura Leighton and Daphne Zuniga. On July 8th, 1992, apartment buildings with pools were never quite the same as Melrose Place was introduced to the world. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal, and every single wig removal together. So listen to Still the Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. or wherever you listen to podcasts. right? Yeah, Mary. Sure did. You did. We now have a YouTube channel this very episode. You can go watch our YouTube on Friday at Daily Zeitgeist Pod on YouTube. It is Wednesday, December 11th, 2024. Yep. Yep. It's National Stretching Day. Get your stretching in. Stretching is vital. That's the one thing. One piece of wisdom my grandfather imparted on me before he passed away. We joked around a lot on this show. Yeah. But one thing that we will of wisdom my grandfather and parted on me before he took away a lot on this show

Yeah, one thing that we don't walk around about don't stay limber stretching stay limber You're gonna miss it. Keep those hamstrings loose. Keep that back loose, baby You know what? I mean? Also, it's national aptum fucking fucking app. Sorry. We have stretching. We'll keep it to stretching Fucking app. What about a app developer Luigi Mangione? Was he an app developer? That was like a- That's one of the ways that I've seen him described. App developer.

Wow, app developer. App developer. App and app developer. Jack Din. God damn. God damn. My name is Jack O'Brien, AKA Luigi Jack Mangio Brian.

Oh. Courtesy of Vanadium Silver on the Discord. You know, we're all trying to jump on the bandwagon, but yeah, I was also, I've been where he's been. Yep, yep. I also have big eyebrows. There would be a big, a dead giveaway. Were I on the run and just eating at McDonald's

across our great nation. Anyway, shout out to Vanadium Silver. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host. It's Mr. Miles Graaake. It's Miles Graake, hey. Jingle bells, zeitgeist smells, Miles laid an egg. Jackal B may have peeded water ice run down his leg. Hey It's water ice probably that's a ham sandwich on the discord

Thanks for that one as we explore the world of jingle bells Batman smells. It's definitely water right the format. Yeah Yeah, I know I know man. Yeah, it's water. It's lemon. It's the lemon one from Rita's Do we get any alts on the on the? People people posting some people posting some jingle bells Batman smells shit in there for sure Hey our guest who we haven't introduced yet. What was the version of that that you you heard growing up? I was definitely that one About me pissing. Yeah, everybody knows that every Christmas Jack comes in the. I'm curious if actually I'm curious if both Molly and I have the same ending

because I know that's what I was trying to figure out. Fernando from North Hollywood. OK, so I was like a detective pair who like I'm like, buddy, I'm one step ahead of you I already asked that's why you're the best. O'brien And then I put a gun to molly now sing this shit Wait, okay. So molly finish it. It's Jingle bells batman smells robin laid an egg right we're on the same page mobile lawsuits. We all uh-huh and

Forget something something something, something. Joker ran away. Okay. Okay. Did you also hear Joker took ballet? Yes. No, never heard the Joker took ballet. Wow.

See everyone in their fucking bubbles actually. And that's why he has such good footwork. I was going to say that makes a lot of sense actually, now you say that. He's really agile. Yeah. Actually, now they think about it, yeah. That's probably the smartest one. You're very nimble.

That's always the thing with linemen in football. They're like, he actually took ballet and that's why he has such good footwork. Oh, I remember that shit in the 90s. Yeah. Holy shit. Then you get to picture these big giant guys in little tutus. Oh, they should do shit in the 90s. Yeah. Holy shit. Then you have to, you get to like picture these big giant guys and little tutus. Oh, they should do the nutcracker.

You got to wear the tutu dude or else it's not ballet. You guys, you guys worked up to point shoes yet? I stood on point for 15 minutes. It was the hardest thing I've ever done other than two a days at the Ohio State University. Exactly. Miles, that voice you keep hearing, that face that the video viewers have already seen, is one of our favorite guests to have here.

A brilliant, talented writer, podcaster, producer, has written for publications like The New York Times, The New Yorker, producer on Everybody's in LA, one of my favorite shows the last year. I was the co-host of the legendary podcast Girls in Hoodies, Night Call, the writer, creator and host of the wonderful podcast Heidi World, the Heidi Fly Story, and soon to be writer, creator and host of the legendary podcast Jenna World. Please welcome back to the show, it's Molly Lambert. Molly Lambert. I'm going to boo boo Zella.

Oh, I got a boo boo Zella. Wow the buzzword of 2010, the vuvuzela. So many words. Oh yeah. A little plastic horn that used in South African soccer stadiums. There's the show workaholics, the writers room, like had this list of like jokes that you that were just like retired and should never be used. And the example I always remember is, he's right behind me, isn't he?

After you said something bad about somebody. But I feel like there should also be a corresponding board of jokes that immediately signal that you're a shitty hack. like the hanging Chad jokes, the Vuvuzela jokes were so fucking popular. Like they just like immediately sucked right away. But like, but hacks in 2024 funny again. And we back and we back. Yep. That's so funny. Me as any.

He's right. The Vuvuzela is right. Yep. That's so funny. Me isn't he? He's right. The Vuvuzela is right behind me. This is so wild. I'm like on the Today Show's website back in 2010, they declared the Spillcam and Vuvuzela the top words of 2010. Spillcam being the fucking like Deepwater Horizon.

Horizon. What a fucking balance. There's spill cam and vuvuzela. I thought that was like a social media thing where you're like, welcome to the spill cam where I spill it, bitch. No, this is the spill cam. Yeah, welcome to the spill cam pose. That really says a lot though.

Spill cam and vuvuzela. Yeah. And the one that we forgot about, the spill cam. Because we, you know, any of that climate stuff, it's just, ugh. Try and use that in a joke. And some goes, Oh, spill cam, dude, I caught that shit. From a funny 10 deep water horizon. I was there.

Right. By the way, an update in the Jay Leno story, I will say that. Oh shit. Really? Not really, but the Pope has shown up with some facial bruising. So the Pope might be in on whatever weird fight club that Jay Leno got his ass whooped in. You know? Sinility.

Yeah. Right. That's tight. Falling down. Strange bruises that come out of nowhere. Having terrible balance. Skin is made of tissue paper and- Guys, stop making fun of Irish people.

You have the balance of somebody who just played spinny bet. The Pope ain't Irish though. The Pope is Argentinian. No, but you know what? He is Catholic. Yeah. So basically stop making fun of the skin of Catholic people. Okay.

Yes. Making fun of our tissue paper skin. They ran out. They used up all the good skin on everybody else. And then they were like, oh, we got this leftover. You got any melanin left, God? Nah, but I got this tissue paper. Put them in the place that just has a permanent cloud over it. Just stick them there. They'll be fine. Molly, it's wonderful to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. But first, a few of the things that we're going to

be talking about in today's episode. We are going to check in with how the Internet is responding to the revelation of who the assassin is. He is Luigi Mangione, as we talked about in yesterday's trending episode. We're really in a place where people are looking for the similarities, not the differences. He's full of conflicts,

seems to be not an Ayn Rand fan, but aspirationally an Ayn Rand fan, which is even worse than being an Ayn Rand fan. Yeah, not an infinite jest. But yeah, but a lot of things that people like, a lot of things people are liking. Which is even worse than being an I Brand fan. Yeah, that infinite jest. But yeah, but a lot of things that people like, a lot of things people are like, and he's pretty hot, I think is the main thing. I asked my friend what he thought of him, and he is a gay man, and he was literally

tongue tied for like, he was like, it was like, cartoonishly, like, horny for this guy. It was one of the wildest group chats are lighting up. Right? Yeah. Yeah. With hornyness for the shooter. Yeah. Yeah, truly thirst. So we're gonna talk about that some of the conspiracy theories going around about him. I mean, I don't even have to say the numbers 286 right? Yeah, y'all know what's up to a six We're out here 286 Pokemon. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to it. Don't worry guys. We're we're read in on

On the numerology around a Pokemon that Luigi mangy only posted on social media at some point Conservative pundits having a hard time with this one. Which vigilante am I okay praising? Kyle Rittenhouse. That's right. What's if, where do I go? What is my brain supposed to do? Yeah, there's a lot of anger. Yeah. We were wondering like last year or last week, like when this first happened, like what is the corollary to this? I can't remember a time when everybody was so on board because I wasn't like in the right wing manosphere

when Kyle Rittenhouse was in trouble, when he got in trouble for his little boo boo. But yeah, I guess that is a pretty good corollary just for a very specific type of person. They have these people all the time. Places guy with a gun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What was the hot criminal that everybody was into? Oh yeah, the hot criminal. Hot felon? But hot felon didn't murder, right? No, no, that's Jeremy Meeks. Yeah. We were trying to find a murderer with this high of a Q rating, you know?

Like where people were just like this on board immediately. Uh, Chris Dorner. Yeah. But probably a little early. I feel like, yeah. I think. Dorner. No, I don't know.

Dorner definitely split people. Yeah. Not everyone was on the ACAP thing back then. So a lot of, there was definitely the people who were like, you know, you can't corner the Dorner and then other people like, what the f- I'm scared right now. Yeah, you're laughing and I'm People being being like all when they got him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure sure It's look it it's it wasn't as like widespread as no Maybe it was a local one too. Cuz right the whole thing was it was LAPD who turned on LAPD for being racist.

So everybody was like, yay. And then the LAPD did such a bad job of finding him also that they were shooting at old women in a car because they were just like. Yeah, in a truck, right. Weren't they like cleaning ladies who were just finished working or something? It was really fucked up.

They were proving his point the whole time. Just like. Right. Right. There's a lot of people. We'll get to some good police work being done in this game, by the way. That's the Benny Hill theme that I'm playing on a VUVU. I know, you nailed it.

We didn't even have to say anything. You nailed it. Anyways, we'll talk a lot of mange. Molly Lambert, before we get to any of that bullshit, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? I mean, I was just reading about the, uh, hot assassin. Yeah. A lot. That's pretty much the main thing I've been looking at is reading people's reactions.

Reading, just scrolling, just saw the stuff stuff about what tweets he was like in. So what are you learning? Give us the kind of profile that you've built in your mind. Well, everyone's so confused by his politics because they're all over the place. But to me, I'm like, this is the new type of person person that everybody has now, which is like a mix and match libertarian. Right. Yeah. You know, like.

I don't like all of that. I like this part. And yeah, you got a point over here. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. When his, the only like confirmed statement to the police was like calling the guy a

parasite, which I'm like, that has very strong libertarian vibes to me a little bit, you know, where he's like, he's just feeding on the people, just get out of the way, you know? Yeah, totally. Which, you know, I like to see where, where we overlap. I don't like parasites though, generally. So that's something. I don't like the government because generally. So that's something. I don't like the government because they're doing a bad job.

Yeah. Well, I don't aspire to read Ayn Rand. I also haven't read Ayn Rand. So in that way, we're basically the same person. Yeah, same. Yeah. What's something you think is underrated? Underrated? Okay. Christmas. Think about it. Yes. Go Okay. Christmas. Think about it. Yes. Go on. Go on.

I hope that's it. I hope that's all. Christmas. Think about it. Think about it. I'll just stop there actually. Next question, Your Honor. Enough said. Overrated. Overrated? Uh-huh. New Year's.

Oh, shit. Now let's, okay, now bring me there. I Year's. Oh shit. Now let's okay now bring bring me there. I love this. Why? New Year's sucks. I knew you sucked. Christmas is fucking dope. Christmas. New Year's rocks.

And uh. Yeah. That's it. I think. Is it a. What do you do on Christmas? Mic drop. What are you doing? What do I do for Christmas?

What's your Christmas look like? Yeah. And what's your New Year's? So I can get an idea. I do different things usually. This year I'm going to Seattle, but I just love the season. I love Christmas lights. Yeah. I love Christmas music. Yep. I'm there.

I love how it's both like a happy time and also kind of weird and sad and melancholy. Yeah. Anytime anyone has a take about like, oh, I'm tired of Christmas music. I've never like once agreed in my heart. I'm always like, fuck off. Like even if they're funny about it, I don't care. There's like a thing you only do part of the year.

It's nice to have a thing that's like seasonal actually. Right. Other thing, I mean, I feel like if the economy gets worse and shit just even gets worse under Trump, like we're going to be, we're going to be seeing Christmas starting like fucking like, I don't know, 6 p.m. on Halloween even. Let's fucking let's pack it up and get earlier and earlier. It's getting a little bit like that. It was definitely a little bit like that this year. You could tell that everybody was like, oh

Yeah, like before Thanksgiving people were like, it's Christmas. Oh I put my lights up like November 11th Yeah, we went lights on the outside of our house for the first time And did it make you doesn't make you warm your heart every time you see it warms my fucking heart. I feel great What's your favorite Christmas song? Happy Christmas, I think by toots and the oh wow. Yeah Deep cut few years running that's been my fave Probably That's been my fave. But probably Christmas gift wrapping the waitresses Christmas wrap.

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Why you guys are going so so and then and then also Feliz Navidad by Jose Feliciano. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit gets me whenever I hear that fucking guitar going. My shoulders are like Feliz Navidad. I don't know why that gets me very active And then Andy Williams shit. I love also all the Andy Williams stuff and also like everything from that Snoopy the Vince Grigori

Yeah, I like the Bob Dylan Christmas album. Uh huh. That's a good one. Yeah. Christmas is there a good that's good. What's on there? Oh, yeah. I want to get an original track on there about Santa. Yeah, must be Santa. Must be Santa. So can we play a little bit of must be Santa so Miles can hear it? Well, we cannot. Bob Dylan, very litigious. Oh my God.

It's like Polka vibes. Yeah. It's like Zydeco. There's just someone on spoons too. Rackety, full on Zydeco. Okay. All right. I'm going to listen to this. I didn't realize the whole fucking thing. Happy Christmas by Byron Lee and the Dragonaires.

It features Toots and the Mables. Oh. Yeah. Iots and the Macles. Oh. Yeah, I also like the kind of traditional ones, like Carol of Bells and the. Carol of the Bells. Yes, go. The King Wenceslas.

I like all the kind of weird, old-timey ones. Right, right. Yeah, Christmas lights, the classic Christmas songs are being used. It like I can't hear Carol of the Bell. That's the one that plays when Kevin's like building his murder house, right? And I'm alone and they do kind of like a rock remix to it.

There's a little bit of electric guitar. There's like a full drum kit coming in. Yeah, I've never thought of it as Kevin's murder. I've never thought of it as Kevin's murder house before. Kevin's definitely got the Unabomber Manifesto and Ayn Rand on the docket. But only thinking about it. That'd be funny if we learned every assassin has read Catcher in the Rye, has thought about reading A Hein Rand, but just didn't do it.

Those are the two things. Oh, the other one, Sharon Jones. The Sharon Jones and Dap King's Christmas album is another one I really like too. Oh, yeah. Good. Thanks. Good job cutting me off so I didn't start talking about how good the Unibomb is. She's going to do it. Oh, man. I love Sharon Jones. The Dap King, man. The D Dap tone record is really underrated man. They say industrial revolution.

Well actually I would say you know every day is Christmas another fantastic track. Do you think New Year suffers from being after Christmas? Like is that basically we're still it just, like, we're hanging on so hard. I saw somebody saying, somebody from another country talking about, like, like, it's, it's weird to them that Thanksgiving and Christmas are so close together because they're like, so you're going home for Thanksgiving and then you go back and then you have to go back home like a week later. Yeah, right.

Makes no damn sense. Space it out more. Right. Yeah. later. Yeah, right. Makes no damn sense. Space it out more. Right. Yeah. I just think New Year's is like

always anticlimactic. The pressure to have fun is too much. And then, like historically, something bad always happens, like right away in the new year that makes people be like, oh, maybe this

year's going to suck, too. Right, right, right. Like's going to suck too. Right. Right. Right. Like you thought the one I remember was when everyone was all excited for whatever year it was, and then it was like David Bowie and Prince died right away. 2016. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Where everybody was like, maybe 2016 is not going to be so bad. Or that year that the that my favorite flag, the Appeal to Heaven flag got ruined. January 6th, just six days into the year. God. All right. It is a cool flag.

We should take it back. Molly was talking about how cool that flag is before we start recording. I posted a picture of it. I saw it a few days after the election and was like, hey, look at this cool flag. Then a million people messaged me and were like, take it down to your next flag, take it down. Take it down, take it down, take it down.

I hadn't been posting because I was too depressed about the election. Then it was just like, hey, I found a cool flag that makes me feel better. Oh, this is cool. I made so many new friends. They can't, like the whole thing of the appeal to heaven flag is that it's about the right to overthrow the government. It's like a revolutionary war flag.

So I was like, well, good to think about that. Maybe, maybe worth a thought. Maybe worth a think. All right, let's take a quick break. Maybe a friend, Luigi. Hey, I mean. Has a think. All right. Maybe a friend, Luigi. Hey, I mean. That's a couple of thoughts on it. He might. We might be getting

a manifesto in the not too distant future. I think we've gotten a couple of fake manifestos from him. That's got a YouTube, right? A YouTube countdown? Yeah. Yeah, that was a fake one. That is a fake. Damn. We're going to get into that after the break. We're going to look at all the things that people are looking for in this assassin,

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Hey, Miles, it's me, Jack. What? Sorry. Sorry, I was hiding out here in your garage. I know. I couldn't help but notice all the baseball cards that you've got. Yeah. Hanging around here. Yeah. You can, look, you can hear that. Ooh. You hear that? You hear that? That's all the plastic paint. Look at that vine here. That is all my baseball cards and basketball, mostly basketball cards. You got some dupes in there. I got doubles. I got triples of the Sadale three, which is kind of funny.

I got triples of the Sadale three. Tyler, I got triples of the Sadale three. I got doubles of the Clyde Drexler, 91, 92 upper deck. I've got triples of the Olden Polynees upper deck SP 1996. Why do you have that? Because I'm, look, I love baseball cards and basketball cards. I think this was the first thing that kicked me down the road of collecting

because it was like the cheapest thing. Like I couldn't afford a hat or like a bunch of comics. Like first it was like a pack of cards was easy to get like my mom or grandma to buy me. And then from there you start building and building. And I just, I cannot get rid of them. They're so near and dear to me. I got gaps in my collection though too. I'm looking to, looking to fill out. Yeah.

Whoever was the designer on the tops baseball cards from 86, 87 and 88. Like I feel like those are some of the most influential design. Like they just, I went and looked on eBay at those cards and I was like, Oh my God, they are like, like the font, like the big team 86 had the big team name and like big bubble letters, the top, like they're right. It's just like, that was my baseball card period and everything else. The cards after that and the cards before

that are like, look like fake baseball cards to me. Right. Right. It's like these don't exist. Those tops cards for sure inform, like, you know, like when kids like take little league baseball photos and they have like the baseball card option for the exact. Like that design is like that's you're doing the tops. I mean, and we get it because that's like, that's what we all think of. Yeah. Upper deck, Fleer, like those all looked a little off to me. Tops was like the only one that was like written in my soul. Right now, I had one of my most favorite cards

that I had that I lost is a Damon Stoudemire rookie card. I bet you could find that on eBay. At the time, Damon Stoudemire like was the man. You know what I mean? Like when he first came out. Yeah. And I did find it. Yo, there are some expensive, there's one for like 90 bucks.

The one that I'm looking for. Everybody lost it. The 96 FLIR, I'm like, ah, I'm like, but do I have that? I mean, I guess I'll have to save my money. The great Damon Stoudemire FLIR heist. Yeah, right. That led to this massive price hike. I do love the weird draft rookie cards where like you were showing me a Stacey Ogman one earlier,

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And we're back. And yeah, I mean, there've been conspiracy theories swirling around the shooting of Brian Thompson sit for a while now, even though didn't it just happen less than a week ago? Yeah. Yeah. It's been one week, literally last Wednesday. Yeah, that's wild.

I had missed this one because I don't watch CNN cause I'm fucking weird. I guess. Fucking loser, dude. They say the dopest shit on there. So they had their expert on law enforcement on, and he claimed that Thompson may have hired a hit man to bump him off for insurance purposes, their law enforcement person said on CNN. That's so...

He said, it's a very good chance. The body is still warm. And he said, like, yeah, I just want to read this because it's such good, also just like dumb cop talk. He said, it's a good chance. It's a very good possibility with these new photographs. That is that they already know who he is. It's a very good chance of that.

But I also want to say something else that I know these criminal investigators are looking into as it relates to motive. There have been times when people have orchestrated their own demise for certain reasons. We know that. And data badge is like, wow, I'm not saying this is the case, but as an investigator, I like for insurance purposes, absolutely, absolutely insurance purposes. You know, maybe they fear some type of investigation down the road.

Maybe they don't want to leave their family and like just immediately, like as, as disrespectful as the internet has been of this man's death, like this is wild for the police to come on and be like, I don't know, maybe killed himself dog. You ever think about that? We didn't find him yet. Must be something crazy. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

It ain't us. It can't be Occam's razor if the cops are bad at their job. It's got to be something crazier. Yeah. Don't look at how many murders we solve. Don't look at those statistics. Your Delco accent a little bit? Yeah.

I was going a little Philly. I don't know. That's just anytime I hear a cop trying to like sound smart with like a very good possibility of the perpetrator in the case had orchestrated himself into the position. Like self-orchestrated. Yeah. Like a one-man band. I thought this was interesting because it felt like the conspiracy theories didn't

come out as fast and loose as they usually do with things like this. Because everybody was just like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Usually we're trying to put our own reasons on top of the thing and on top of the news story, on top of the motives of the people in the news story.

And usually there's just people that are like, oh, he was going to expose the pedophile ring or whatever. And yeah, time. Really, it seemed like people were just like, it took a few days and then a few days later. Now there's conspiracy theories. Yeah, now that he's caught or now if it even is him because there's definitely a large group of people who are like They this is just a Patsy You know this guy Here's what I saw a lot of yesterday. It's not that he's a Patsy. It's that he's CIA

What because yeah, uh-huh go on hold on I'm here I'm here I'm listening, okay, okay He's CIA. He's not the guy. They're using him as the guy and he's willingly consenting to be used as the guy because he's CIA and they're trying to make it look like they found the guy and they are on top of it. And the reasoning that he's CIA is that he went to Penn, right? And they recruit a lot of people for the CIA from Penn. Yeah, Ivy League.

Sure. And he's got some, it's like somebody he's related to is a Republican politician. And yeah, his cousin, Nino Mangione, he's a Maryland State Assembly member for District 42A. I've already done the digging. He's also Trump's like regional chairperson for like the last campaign. It turns out the most elaborately, uh, Italian Lee named people.

Nino, Nino, Luigi, yeah, it is. You can see the, like the right wing is like twisting themselves into knots. Cause they're like, well, what do you mean? He's like a rich white guy. What are we supposed to do with that? And his cousin's a full on Trump or like fully down for the whole thing. Yeah. So they're kind of like, what do you, they're like, let's leave his cousin out of this.

He's an innocent bystander. Let's not look too deeply. Imagine if that guy was a Democrat. It's a little bit horseshoe theory of like, well, everybody hates the healthcare companies, like left the healthcare companies. Yeah. Like leftists hate them and Republicans. But not just leftists.

Right. And right-wing people hate them because they hate the government and libertarians. Yeah. When Ben Shapiro did his big rant about like, this is how sick the people on the left are that they're cheering this guy on. There were so many people commenting being like, Hey man, don't, that's not just the left. That's us too.

Ben Shapiro. This is an L take from you Ben. Yeah. L take dog. I do just want to go. It's just so wild to me. Like, I don't know. We talk about it a lot that police may be a bad idea.

Just the fact that that guy just came up with that theory to make himself sound smart and now like guys with guns who can end your life are trying to prove that theory correct, like that's how policing works in this. It's just like, well, we said that. And so now we're going to like try and make it so. What? Yeah. He had to do some like status quo improv though, too, because he couldn't be like, well, I'd imagine based on how our health care system is, I mean,

you've you've anybody who's tried it. I mean, you would get fucking mad out your damn mind to probably want to kill somebody like and he had to be like, so yeah, it's probably like could be a hit man tried to off himself. Probably something like that could be one of those New Jersey drones that flew over the Hudson, one of the rivers. You know, it's interesting. It went from like, this guy's John Wick. Nobody knows who he is and will never know anything about him, including his motive, which seems pretty obvious, but could

be something else. Right. And then like two days later, it's like, no, man, this guy fucking hates the healthcare system because he had a spinal injury. Right. And people are saying to, they were like, it's because he had a spinal injury. Right. People are saying to they were like, it's because he had the spinal injury. He's like an active ab having guy. And then he suddenly can't do anything active. He's like in bed, got to think about stuff for months at a time.

And then he was like, he saw his, well, they're like, and then he did a bunch of, he did a bunch of psychedelics. Yeah. And saw, you know, saw himself inside a bullet going out of a gun. This isn't me. This is what's going to end the- I think that's a Nas track.

This is what's gonna end the psychedelic, the push to legalize the- And it is like the right wing people can't get mad because they love guns so much. So it is kind of like, all right, well, he's a vigilante shooter, like took the law into his own hand. So we like historically love that. Yeah.

So guns don't kill people. Italian guys kill people. Okay? It does feel like, is he the only Italian guy who hasn't watched and taken to heart the lessons of Godfather? Like he didn't know to just like drop the gun right away, get the shit out of there? Take the cannoli? Well, like also when Michael hits the judge and the captain of the other family, like

in the restaurant, he shoots them both and they tell him to just drop the gun right where he is and then and then walk out Nobody will be looking. Yeah. Why didn't he study the history of his people? Yeah, oh you haven't seen Ken Burns the godfather the godfather is a big Christmas movie The Godfather is a big Christmas movie. For reasons I don't fully understand, but it's beautiful Christmas time. It feels like a reason for the season. Yeah.

Yeah. God and fathers. God and the father. So some of the conspiracy theories that have happened. Some people suggested he actually wanted to get caught. So everybody wanted him to be a Batman villain, and he had done some of the work for them by writing on the bullets already. Their theory is he went to that McDonald's

knowing that that McDonald's employee was going to recognize him. He should have taken ballet so he could have danced away. Yeah, exactly. Just a fleet of foot like the Joker. But yeah, in that movie, the Joker in The Dark Knight intentionally gets caught. Also in every movie that came out after The Dark Knight, that happened. That's also why this guy's politics aren't that confusing to me.

Because it's like, yeah, he's like some guy who saw the dark night. He saw the dark night when he was like nine. And was like, well, my personality is completely changed. I want to watch the world burn. Right. Yeah. Ooh, I'm like that guy. Ooh, I'm going to get this versus outfit.

So that idea that he was caught on purpose was validated when it surfaced that Mangione posted a countdown clock on YouTube, counting down to quote, the truth along with the message. If you see this, I'm already under arrest. And it's very compelling. I heard about this. I was like, oh, and it seemed to be counting down to today's date, December 11th. It seemed to be counting down to today's date, December 11th. Then some asshole on the internet had to go and analyze

the timestamps and figure out that the video was uploaded to YouTube after he was arrested. That one's not even a good one though. I get that they want to chum the waters to get people to be like But I'm like they could have been it could have hit harder than that Should I just link to this episode of the dailies I guys exactly you oh Whoa gorilla marketing

But let's get to 286 bro, let's get the fucking brass tacks. All right I'm just trying to see it like I want to kind of spread the theory that like it could have been me, you know Oh, wait. Yeah, we get can we get do you like a hoodie or something? You can you gotta Wait, can you smile for us? Since the video episode. Oh, yeah Has a better smile than me but Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay.

Halloween costume. He has a better smile than me, but. No, no, that was chill too. No, it's good. He has such a good smile that he lowered his mask to just like do it one time when he was actively trying to hide his identity. That's where people were really getting anti-Italian with it. They were like, oh, the man couldn't stop himself from flirting.

This horny hot man. Yeah, and I mean he also couldn't fucking pluck his eyebrows. That is my one, like if he was intending to like stay on the run, just pluck your eyebrows. Or he should have had a beard. He should have had a beard first and then shaved it. People were saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was unfortunately pretty easily identifiable by his beautiful smile That million-dollar smile he was Officer even even after his politics have come out as being confusing because everybody I knew was thirsting for him So they were like hot leftist assassin and then when it came out, he's like hot libertarian assassin And people did not stop their saying they were like hot leftist assassin. And then when it came out, he's like hot libertarian assassin.

And people did not stop their saying they were like, yeah, I already got the L. We're like, at least not Republican. Like I can work with that. I can work with that. I've never seen people so united on something. Yeah, ever. It really feels like the internet is in like the first two weeks of a relationship where they're just overlooking so much.

Normally I feel like the libs would be like, oh no, violence isn't the answer. We can't kill somebody who killed this person and he has a family that you left behind. But it seems like everyone's so fed up with everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fuck it. This guy was killing people. Josh Shapiro did the thing. It's like, we don't solve things with cold-blooded violence.

You're like, the state does. I saw a little bit of that on Reddit of people being like, oh, you left behind children and stuff. But the overall, even people that normally would be like, no, we can't be killing people are like, you know what, this guy killed a lot of people. Yeah, no, there is there's always that sort of caveat attached for sure. I think, I think for most people, you know, to look at it in a vacuum, just be like, this guy was just shot on the street, what the hell's going on with our world, completely leaves out the part of the actual human suffering dimension.

People seem aware of, no, the healthcare guy is a mass murderer. Right. Yeah, exactly. And a public figure. If you're going to be a mass murderer, say it with your chest. Maybe not a good system when the thing, the only way that people have seen the head of

a mass murdering corporation have any come up and says by somebody just buying a gun and shooting them on the street. But it does also feel like it's a little bit of a turning point where people are so fed up. It feels a little bit like, I was all week. I was like this, like. Is this it? Is this it?

Like, is this going to happen now? Yeah. Yeah. It does feel like this is what, yeah. Like this is the same sentiment that causes revolutions. It's just, I don't, it feels like we have a different world with like social media, like instead of. Right. It just feels like, okay, everyone's tired of living in fear under the thumb of

like horrible, disgusting CEOs. Yeah. Who should be afraid of the people and aren't. Right. And now they seem afraid. Elon Musk keeps like trotting his child out now as a human shield. I don't know if you've noticed this. Yeah. He's bringing one of his children.

You've never seen him with his children ever. Ever. To the point where I was like, that's an actor. That has to be an actor, because I don't think I've ever seen him in college with his children. Now he's carrying a baby around to be like, don't shoot. But you know what? Charm shooters, they'll avoid the baby.

Don't they'll shoot around the baby. Not that we're advocating for that. Not that we're advocating, but it does seem like across the board, everybody's like, well, maybe it's good that these people seems to be a sentiment here. Yeah. The way we all live in fear, which honestly is very Gotham City of everybody to be like, right? Right. You know what? Like, so yeah, everyone in charge is bad. Maybe we need a rogue's gallery. Poison Ivy, Poison Ivy did nothing wrong. I mean, she was just trying to save the world.

It's trying to save the planet. Yeah. So the most elaborate Luigi Mangione conspiracy theory right now involves Pokemon. So he posted an image of the Pokemon character, Bralum on social media and Bralum is the 286. I mean, do I have to even say this? Is the 286 Pokemon in the official Pokemon Poke index and- Pokedex.

Pokedex, as everybody probably noticed, 286. Also the number of tweets made by Mangione on his personal Twitter account before he got caught by authorities. There's also, and then obviously our mind races forward, Bible Proverbs 28.6. I don't know. I guess it's not 28.6. 28 verse 6, which reads, better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways. A verse we all know. And then there's also denial code 286 in the health insurance industry, which is applied when a healthcare claim is denied due to not meeting the appeal time limits. Wow.

That's it. I could like find any healthcare code and it would be some fucked up thing. Some fucked up denial code. I'm pretty sure all the denial codes are probably bad. I'm going to add one on top of there and say it could also be. Two 86, meaning like when you 86 something on a menu, if you work in a kitchen. So it's like, I'm going to somebody. Yeah. If I were to, and that would suggest that this is a seven situation and he's, there's another victim out there that we don't even know about yet and man Joan He's gonna have Gwyneth Paltrow's head sent to him in a box while he's in prison. That would be my guess

He could also yeah, so he might have posted Breloom because it is just a cool-looking Pokemon that looks like an adorable magic mushroom. If it were an animal. Let me see it. Show me in the chat. Everything is true and false at the same time. It's quite beautiful. There's Brayloom. There's little Brayloom. Oh, so cute. It's like if a little tree frog was also a mushroom.

Yeah. It had moves for hands like a deer. It was also a little dinosaur. Yeah. You could show me any Pokemon and I'd be like, oh, oh boy, oh boy, Luigi Mangione. The fact that his name is Luigi Mangione also is Bella. We love, yeah.

It really is Bella. My friend and I were talking a bunch about, there was a thing on the Bill Simmons show the other day where he was talking about if Kobe Bryant had grown up in Italy, How he'd be Kobe Bryantini Then when it came out this guy's name was Luigi Mangione my friend and I were texting Pretty great. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

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And my first question whenever a big momentous event happens is, how are the conservatives doing though? How's Laura Ingram? Is she okay? Wrapping her head around it. Yeah. I mean, we talked about Ben Shapiro. I think just generally, like pundits, you know, conservative or liberal, you know, when you, when you get that millionaire blindness, you know what I

mean, where your wealth puts you in like this golden clad echo chamber, where your financial success leads you to believe that you have it all figured out. And you are in fact infallible. Um, I just want to point out this moment that was posted by a sin on Twitter, who does the Lord's work of capturing a lot of the fucking just ridiculous shit that is uttered on Fox, just Laura on Laura Ingram show, you know, I think most people would just watch this little snippet and

have just intense intellectual like whiplash. She's first the clip starts off with her basically she like she had a panel on and they were just like lamenting the just lack of sympathy that was being shown for Brian Thompson and the fact that people were thirsting after Luigi. And then she wraps it up in a really nice Fox. We just want to say who Daniel Penny is because I didn't know him by Daniel Penny is the guy who was just recently found not guilty of murder for the murder of Jordan Neely on that New York subway. I guess that was this you know last year

I think yeah and this is just a guy who was having like a mental health crisis and he just Choked him out and he died and then that was fine. I guess So here is Laura Inraham going off on just what the fuck is going on America is just sick. We'll dig into it later. The Instagram posts from nutbag people, which I was sent in the commercial break earlier. Crazy. Like he's cute. He's that and people celebrating this. This

is a sickness. Honestly, it's so disappointing, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Gentlemen, thank you so much. And up next, the other big news out of New York, Daniel Penny, a lot of people think he's a hero, and tonight he's not guilty. My take next. Wow. What the fuck?

This is so fucking wild to be like, yeah, yeah. Was her take also monstrous, also makes me sick to my stomach on this one too? Oh yeah. I mean, like she goes on. Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course.

Of course. It's, it's really, it's again, it continues on CNN. Uh, your favorite channel, Scott Jennings, who's like their main conservative, just weirdo who likes to scream at Audie Cornish was also tried to do a thing where he was trying to be like, people need to get it through their heads. Like that's bad. What he did is bad. And then there's also good guys. So here, let me break it down for the left real quick. This is Scott Jennings. I can't seem to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.

I'm not actually asking you about people on the left. I'm asking you whether you consider this person. We had people praising me. about people on the left. I'm asking you whether you consider this person. I want to know whether you think that as Congressman Crane does, that Daniel Penny should get the Congressional gold medal to recognize his heroism. I'm not asking you about anyone. I think he ought to get medal. I think they ought to build a statue to this guy in New York City. Okay. That's them talking about Daniel Penny. Yeah. And then let me just play this other clip.

Sorry, because I was meant to play this other one where he had it all written down on paper. One second. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Let me just help you understand. If you're on the American left tonight, here's my chart. The good guys today, Daniel Penny. The bad guys, Luigi Mangione.

It seems to me how do you everybody wants the chart for victims I'm just I'm just telling you what I see out I know I know what I see out in the world today. What I'm telling you is that's not on the second page? people on the left people on the left I can't seem to can't seem to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys. I'm not seem to can't seem to tell the difference between the guys you about people on the left I'm asking you whether I consider this person. We have people pray. I want to know whether you think that Congressman crane does that goes on and then that's where we get the next vote about CNN Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is CNN and that guy's that guy's CNN's guy. He's not just some rando they bring on he is their senior

Sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean That guy's CNN's guy. He's not just some rando they bring on. He is their senior political conversation. I thought that was Fox News for sure. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, shout out to Audie Cornish for being like, they're like, what's your analysis breakdown? What's your framework for the victims? Yeah, she's trying to have logic and sense and the other guy's like, no, pure emotion, pure racist emotion. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's bad. I mean, obviously it's good to him. Yeah. If you're at a BLM rally, you're fair game. If you're a person of color having a Emotion pure racist emotion. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, every day having made $25 million the year before and know that the haters are going to be mad at them. It is interesting too. It's like the right-wing people, including that guy,

it's like they're not calling him a terrorist. Yeah. Interesting. I wonder what that's all about. Yeah. He's calling him Luigi, like the Mario character. Are we just getting into some good old- fashioned American anti-Italian racism? Right. Yeah. It does feel, this whole thing does feel like back to the 1900s. So, yeah, yeah.

They're like, well, he's Italian. So let's get that straight, Audie. He's got that hot head. They're going to, yeah, they're going to lock me and Jack up in the paddy wagon any minute now. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. They're going to lock me and Jack up in the paddy wagon any minute now. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. I mean, again, like to your point, like Molly, and I just everyone's saying, like, it's just it is wild. How widespread like the outrages over health care?

Like, it does feel instructive on some level because it's clear like the American predatory health care system is one of the most potent forces of radicalization, it seems, in this country and is giving us glimpses into truly bipartisan outrage. And I'm just curious if- Right. And this guy's rich. His family could afford, Luigi's family could handle the extreme cost of all his spinal stuff.

Right. But it was like- And he's still like, wait, this is completely unfair and insane. Yeah, I'm curious to see like, you know, because of just seeing this, like, if any who even attempts to like has the ability or wants to try and wield this outrage in a way that can politically something but yeah, I'm telling you, nobody's gonna do it. No, no, no one in the establishment for sure. No, it's gonna be like Bernie Sanders being like people are mad about health care because it sucks really bad and then Crazy Bernie over here you fucking freak

You're just mad cuz you lost scoreboard asshole What? Yeah, anyways, how things going at UnitedHealthcare? Yeah. What's that like? What are the vibes there? I think, yeah, there was a thing that we missed last week because it happened on Friday. So on Friday, UnitedHealth Group CEO, so this is the boss, like the main boss of Brian Thompson,

because Brian Thompson was technically in charge of the insurance division. But anyway, his boss, the CEO, Sir Andrew Witte, delivered a private message to staff regarding the killing and to also remind them all that they're on the side of angels. They are the good guys in this fight. So let's remember that. This is what the CEO of United had to say to staff. I'm sure everybody has been disturbed by the amount of negative and in many cases, vitriolic media and commentary that has been produced over the last few days, particularly in the social media environment. And I want to reassure you of a few things

Firstly we are going to continue to make sure that we put patients consumers and members Okay, sure Why is he British? Dude he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth three, I guess that's how that's how he got his knighthood. So I think he was a pharma executive before this really, really great story, really great backstory. This is skipping ahead about a minute longer. He's actually like more of a public servant than anything.

Like he's about serving people. Yeah, right. Yes, exactly. By letting the companies know when they don't deserve health care. Right, right. Precisely. He goes on this a little bit more about, again, talking about like what, like why UnitedHealthcare is good.

And he says something that caused a lot of outrage. You'll probably, yeah, something will probably hit your ear in a way. And we make sure that care is safe, appropriate, and is delivered when people need it. And we guard against the pressures that exist for unsafe care or for unnecessary care. Oh, delivered in a way which makes the whole system too complex and ultimately unsustainable. That is the that why you need me on that wall, making sure that you don't get unnecessary cancer care that is demonic. Yeah, that's great.

We guard against the pressures that exist for unsafe care or for unnecessary care, which he then says is unsustainable to our industry. If we got to, if people are like saying they need treatment and we're just giving everybody treatment, we can't make fucking 2.6 or $2 billion. Didn't it also come out that it's like all the decisions are made by AI? There is, there was, but there was, yeah,

they were using AI at one point. They probably still at some point. I'll let him go on because this is when he tells the staff, again, just to block out the nonsense that is out there. Block out the haters. Yeah, no, truly, this is what he says tells the staff again, just to block out the nonsense that is out there. Yeah, no, truly. This is what he says to the staff. I encourage you to tune out that critical noise that we're hearing right now.

A.K.A. the voice in your head. It does not reflect reality. It is simply a sign of an era in which we live. What we must do is focus on what we know to be true. And what we know to be true is that the health system needs a company like United Health Group. All right, that's it. Like it's just, wow. Dusha, I do want you to get to the part where he talks about how... We need more Brian's in the world. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. How many he got. Why do they look like the villains from dune? I know. I, that's what I literally wrote. He also looks like he just rose out of the black goo and dune too. Okay.

This is him going on telling, trying to, I guess, tell people to completely ignore their, their conscience. Okay. He needs people like Brian within it. We need people. We're fortunate that within this company, we have so many people driven and inspired in the same way that Brian was. And we will continue in our journey to hell. Do you know? Do you have any idea how many of you guys they

would have to murder for it to even like stop us at all for it to even slow us down at all? We have so many of you fuckers. What's what it felt like bodies, man. I'm like fucking Russia in a world war. I'm just going to throw you fucks into the meat grinder. No rifle, no problem. Yeah. Pick up the one you will have security.

And so when he gets shot, you can then take his security. Yeah, it is very again, because when you talk about all of this is sort of masking the whole thing, which is we must deliver shareholders value by any means necessary, even if that means people die and maybe, and there's potential retribution for us. That's just our ethos. That's your job. That's our mission statement.

Yeah. Also this guy, sir, Andrew witty, uh, his last take home pay package valid around 25 million a year, and he is also on also under investigation for insider trading like Brian Thompson was. Well, shit. It's, it is just also every picture, like just the accidental adjit prop that is happening right now, because every picture of Luigi Mangione, he looks awesome. And every one of these guys, like that guy looks like he just came out of the black goo and do and like Brian Thompson just, how do they only have two photos of him?

Like they're trying to make the case that he is like a good father and shit, but like they haven't shown anything other than LinkedIn profile pictures. Use that AI. Right. They're a usual playbook for being like, we need to generate as much sympathy for this victim as possible. Like they're not even up like doing that, where they're like, here's a video of them coaching a little bit of a team.

Yeah. Or whatever. I don't know, because all the energy feels very much like a lot of like, especially if I mean, most pundits are doing a thing. They're like, guys, don't this guy isn't cute. If it comes off like guys, smoking isn't cool. Don't do it. Right. And then they're like, yeah, don't this guy isn't cute. It comes off like guys smoking isn't cool. So don't do it. Right. And then they're like, Yeah, all right, dude, this shit looks pretty fucking cool to me. I like sorry. Yeah, right. It's just it's a very it's like interesting

to watch how they're how the media is trying to sort of like navigate this because on one hand, like again, you do the thing where you fully lay bare all of the ways that the health insurance industry is predatory and is just built on grinding people down to dust in the name of profit. Or you kind of do this weird half ass dance where you're like, he may have had a gripe and then also like, was that a ghost guns problems? You know what I mean? Like it's, they haven't kind of coalesced around a single talking point that they're

going to use to try and deflate. Well, because they can't argue that he's not hot. It's really funny. Unfortunately, yeah. Everyone I've ever known is like, yeah, he's hot. You can't deny it. It's really wild. It's not even like, which is crazy because most people have all kinds of different types, you know

But it feels like it's like in the way that everyone's like, yes, Sydney Sweeney's hot can't deny She's like he's a four quadrant hot. Yeah. Yeah, just like everyone's like, yeah everyone nuts the we all agree Yeah, yeah, the Italian guy with abs even if that's not your thing. Yeah. He killed a- They're like, that's so 2009 Jersey Shore, but you know what- No, he is Jersey Shore, but it is like, that's the appeal. Yeah.

And then again, there's like nothing they can really say about his upbringing or anything, which is normally where they'd go with this. Right. Luigi Mangione was no angel. Yeah. Yeah, they're not doing that at all because they can't. He smoked marijuana.

Oh, he went to an Ivy league school. He is like a tech engineer or whatever. He's like, all the stuff that we tell our kids to do. He literally learned to code. Yeah. The one thing I've seen like in the sort of comments sections of like Fox News and the New York Post is a lot of people beginning to attack universities. Like that seems to be the one thing I've seen in the sort of comments sections of like Fox News and the New York Post is a lot of people beginning to attack universities.

Like that seems to be the one thing. That's what I would think would be like, that they'd be like, oh, it's the kids getting radicalized at our colleges, which by the way, not really what happens now. No, it's not. The Reagans put a stop to all that. Well, Molly Lambert, what a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist as always.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find me. I'm off Twitter, which is why I was really confused to see what it looks like now. And then it has a sidebar that says Grok now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's been there for a long time. You're missing out on the developments that Grok now. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's been there for a long time. You're missing out on the developments

that Grok has brought us. Oh my God. You know what Grok is from? It's a sci-fi thing, right? Yeah, it's a sci-fi thing, but it's like a right wing sci-fi. Yeah, a lot of sci-fi writers have. What is that book called?

It's a book. It's by the guy who did Starship Troopers, but Starship Troopers is like a pair, like the movie is satirizing the stuff that's in the book. But in the book, it's just presented as like, yeah, wouldn't it be awesome to be a Nazi? Robert A. Heinlein's sci-fi novel, Stranger in a Strange Land.

Yeah, that's right. Elon Musk loves Grok for some reason, because he's a loser. He loves Yacht Grok. Oh yeah, you can see me in a documentary that's on... There you go. Great. That was a little alley-oop. Great segue.

Thank you. You can see me a little bit in a documentary called Yacht Rock, a documentary, Doc spelled D-O-C-K. I didn't know you were in that. It's on my list. Oh, yeah. Check it out. I'm in it.

Hell yeah. That's great. I'm in it with a bunch of great people, and I could talk about yacht rock all damn day. I could grock some yacht rock. And yeah, you can also find me on Instagram at molly underscore Lambert. I have a book coming out called Duos and Pop Music. And you can find that at a commercial type. Is the company putting that out? It's a book about all these duos, musical duos.

Like it starts with a big essay about the breakup of Hall & Oaks after 50 years. Oh, wow. And yeah, and you can hear next year. of Hall & Oates after 50 years. Oh, wow. Yeah, and you can hear next- Are Hall & Oates considered Yacht Rock? Well, you'll have to watch the documentary to find that out, Jack. Okay. The answer is no.

They are TSOP, the Sound of Philadelphia, slightly different. Part of the thing about Yacht Rock is it's West Coast. Okay. I think, personally, I think there's a long tradition of West Coast cool jazz that leads about Yacht Rock is it's West Coast. Okay. I think, personally, I think there's a long tradition of West Coast cool jazz that leads into Yacht Rock. It's like, I have the laid back feeling. Cool jazz. You'll see, you'll see when you watch the documentary.

You'll learn more than watching the Channel 101 series Yacht Rock. Well, that's in there too. I mean, it's seminal. I got into Yacht Rock because of the fucking Channel 101 show. There's still a part where I think the guy playing Michael McDonald goes Shut the fuck up

That was I was like that's such an interesting time like right before YouTube when people were like hey We make our own TV shows, right? If only there was a channel we could post them online We could make our own TV shows, right? If only there was a channel we could post them online Anyway, check out the art rock documentary directed by Garrett Price produced by Madison Cross daughter of Christopher Cross Who's really cool? Wow and She's best friends with Michael McDonald's daughter They're from the valley you'll be shocked to hear oh for real Yeah, all the art rock people are from the Valley too. Toto all went to Grant High.

Yeah, yeah, I know I went to school with a couple. That's where all the studios are. Couple Toto kids that went to my high school. Yeah, it's all like kind of like the studio musicians who became the outrock guys. I keep saying it's a great sports documentary about a great team of. They had like a studio in Valley Village though too

that I know. someone who moved into the house and they're like- Yeah, and then one of them started The Baked Potato, the jazz club in the valley for Session Guys. Anyway, check all that out and then next year you'll be able to hear Jenna World, a podcast also about the valley and the history, the rise and fall of the porn studios in the valley and the entire porn industry and Jenna Jameson, the biggest porn star of the 90s and 2000s. So get ready for that. Voices from Miles and Jack, they don't even know what they're doing yet, but they're going

to be in it. Hell yeah. Then it's going to be amazing. That was the thing that sealed it. That's going to really in it. Hell yeah. Then it's going to be amazing. That was the thing that sealed it. That's going to really put it over the edge. No, I'm so excited for that show. It's going to be amazing. Is there a work of media, Molly, that you've been enjoying?

Yeah. Actually, I've been reading a book that's a diary of the Shakers that I found in a free library. It's the Shaker community in New England. And it's the most interesting book. It's just a diary of stuff happening around the shaker community. And all the entries are like, put up the barn today. And then like next day, like too cold, no work on the barn today. What year is that from? It's from the...

86? Yeah. Yeah, it's from like the late 1800s and it turns out it's actually from when the shakers were starting to kind of die out because of, get ready for it, the Industrial Revolution. Ah, damn it. Motherfucker. So they're kind of like trying to preserve the traditions, but they keep losing people because it's like, oh, they got a job at the factory.

But it is like just, it's an interesting book. A lot of stuff is like having a nice Thanksgiving. There's a part that's like, observing this new thing called Daylight Savings Time. They're being radicalized by daily savings. Amazing. Miles, where can people find you as their work of media you've been enjoying?

Ah, everywhere that has an at symbol, miles of gray, including blue sky, particularly blue sky. Try over there. Uh, you can also find Jack on the basketball podcast, miles and Jack. I'm at boosties. You can also find a me talking about 90 day fiance on 420 day fiance.

Oh, I'd say, let's see. Oh man, a tweet. I like, man, this is from Nate at homo classical. It's a photo of all the sex in the city gals sitting down at lunch. And it says Miranda, the shooter did what he had to do to fight against a corrupt system Charlotte But can you think?

Shooting someone is right Samantha. Honey. He could shoot inside me anytime. He won Wow Carrie Big is moving to Paris Again Everyone is using HBO shows to bring this to life There's so many soprano ones too. They're like, I don't care what they say. In this home, Luigi Mancione is a hero, end of. End of.

Work of media I've been enjoying on Blue Sky, Aaron Stewart on at bad ideas. Stop Blue Sky.Social tweeted, fuck, I think we totally forgot that part in Dune part two about not falling for charismatic, violent folk heroes fueled by vengeance who look like Timothy Chalamet in a hoodie. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find me on BlueSky at Jack OB, the number one.

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it but it's like if Krungbin was doing like spy rock sort of vibes from like the 60s 70s that's kind of what this track feels like so it's not easy but also kind of got a little got a little an air of mystery to it that I like So this is sticky by the group free whenever amazing All right We will link off to that in the footnotes today Like guys the production of I heart radio for more podcasts from my heart radio visit the I heart radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that is gonna do it for us this morning

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