The Daily Zeitgeist - Roseanne: A Take Too Hot, Ted Cruz: Sports Wizard 5.29.18

Episode Date: May 30, 2018

In episode 157, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Laurie Kilmartin to discuss the cancelation of Roseanne after her twitter madness, Ted Cruz cursing the Houston Rocket's with his tweets, Rudy Giuliani being boo'd on his birthday at a Yankee's game, the real number of people who were killed by Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, a twitter thread explaining why we shouldn't be spreading the info on the 1,500 unaccounted for migrant children, the new Solo: Star Wars movie, and much more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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further. I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray. Now you caught Miles hard for the evening. Guess Miles, she's moving. You confuse things. Should I just head out or come harder? Help me find Miles Gray. Now why you wanna

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That was quick. I thought I was going to, I didn't know I'd be jumping in so quickly. Oh yeah. We thought we would sing more. Yeah. You were ready for that. I was hoping.

Laurie, what is something that you have researched or searched on the internet recently? Chin implants. Chin implants? Yes. Because that is a thing that apparently Ivanka Trump got. Yeah. In fact, recently I noticed hers again because I made some kind of snarky comment about how if she had her original nose, we'd be much more angrier about all the trademarks she just got in China.

Right. But because she's pretty, she gets a pass. You know, no one seems to care. Yeah. And then someone showed me some old pictures of her and I was like, oh, yeah, she had a chin implant. And I was like, you know what? I wanted one a long time ago. And I also was going to have my jaw broken and realigned because I have a gummy smile.

And I was like, that's why I don't have an HBO specialist. So I'm like, let me do what I got to do. But then I went to a dentist and he said, why don't you just not smile as hard? And although the dentist, yes, because I was cause I was asking him to do major surgery. Right. Can you bring my gum line up? Yeah. He goes,

you can solve your problem by just, you know, uh, controlling your smile a little bit more and what you can't normally in a laugh. You're just who you are. But I was like, Oh, okay.

Why don't you curb your happiness, Lori? Yeah. That's the solution. Not breaking your jaw. It was way cheaper. But that was a, that was a search for about a year of before and afters on gum surgery and how people fix their jaws or change them.

Wow. What's the... I know a nose job is a rhinoplasty. So what is a chin job? Chin implant? No, but it must have some fancy medical term. You're right. I don't remember.

I guess it's a chin augmentation. Oh, wait. Chin augmentation surgery. No, a bleph. Blepharostomy? Blepharoplasty? Okay. B-L-E-P-H, right? But yeah, it's worth people... Oh, wait. This is for the eyelids?

And the eye region? Okay, we're all... Google you failed me. If you get your chin enhanced, it naturally brings your eyelids up, I think, is how that works uh but people who think ivanka trump is pretty go look at a picture of her she's not like ugly before it's just it's so interesting like how she constructed her whole face oh god i know from scratch engineering yeah yeah the glow up and it is also proof that plastic surgery can be good these days, even though, I don't know, I think back in the day, and even still a lot of people that you see in Hollywood, it's like, oh, they've had plastic surgery.

But I wouldn't know, looking at Ivanka Trump, that she's constructed her face wholly from scratch. You only see real beauty. I only see beauty in her. I only look at the form and I say, this is aesthetically pleasing to me. Exactly. Lori, what is something that is overrated? Okay. I had a tie between avocados and the internet. Wow. Let's go avocados first. Okay. They have a disgusting texture. They do. It's really gross. Really? I can't get over it. And they don't really have a taste. If I were to eat avocado, I would have to salt it heavily.

Yeah. But I couldn't get past the texture. And you choose not to. I avoid it completely. And I don't like guacamole either. Okay. Oh, wow. Do you not like hummus? I don't mind hummus. You don't mind hummus. You don't mind hummus? Yeah. There's something a little too creamy about avocado that is unsettling to me. I love it. It's like nature's butter. It is. I don't know, the first time I had it in a soup, butter is nature's butter. You're right. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's avocado. I won't stand for this. Yeah, I guess I'm a millennial, so if you cut me me open I'll just spill out avocado and I don't like that it's labeled

it's labeled a fruit right oh because it has a pit and technically that makes it is that why isn't that usually that's probably that's it right didn't the Supreme Court

have to like the definition of a tomato or something yeah exactly it went right down to the wire Kennedy sided with the conservatives

because of some like taxation thing that like fruits are different than vegetables. Yeah. They've had to determine all sorts of weird shit. I guess it is technically a fruit. And Lori, why is the internet overrated other than the obvious reasons that it's terrible? Besides the obvious. Well, here's, it tricked us because I think at first it just seemed like it was a solution

to loneliness for me, especially like chat rooms and stuff like that. And now it's just horrible. Were you a prolific chat room user? Yes. I was on AOL very early. Wow. What was your screen name? Annie Laurie.

Annie Laurie. N-E or Annie? A-N-Y. A-N-Y. L-A-U-R-I-E. It was opposite of this. There's this like Vienna or Austrian princess named Annie Laurie. And I just, my name was Laurie Ann.

So I just sort of flipped it around. Okay. Because I might've had a Princess Diana fetish at the time. Yeah. It's also a fun play on like, I know there are celebrities who are like that Shaquille O'Neal. Yes. Or this, you know, someone and you're like,

I'm Annie Laurie. Just whichever Laurie you want me to be. Yeah. This was before that, though. But I'll take credit for being very blase about my uniqueness. I also think that it has had a weird sort of it's like a synthetic cure for loneliness that has actually made us more lonely. That's not a new observation, but. I know it's hard to criticize the internet without sounding like every tweet you've ever read about it, but it really. Despite bringing us closer, we couldn't

be further apart. Basically that take you see every time, right? Yeah. Miles, you probably didn't grow up without the internet at all, right? It's always been in your life? Well, no, because I was born in 84. Okay. So like internet for me, I didn't really up without the internet at all, right? It's always been in your life? Well, no, because I was born in 84. Okay. So like internet for me, I didn't really start using it until maybe 93 or 94. Yeah. So up until about 10 or 11, I was just like, the computer was like the thing my dad told me to not fucking touch ever.

Okay. I was like, yo, I paid a lot of money for that. So I was like, I just want to play the early version of Prince of Persia. And yeah, so I'm just on that cusp. And my friends and I always talk about this of like, I just want to play the early version of Prince of Persia. And yeah, so I'm just on that cusp. And my friends and I always talk about this of like, at least we did know a pre-internet world where like I had to learn how to use a Thomas guide for my mom to be like, where's your birthday party you want to go to? It's like, get the Thomas guide out. And I'm like, okay, using a grid system to find a map. That is specific to Los Angeles.

That is a very specific LA thing. How quickly did those people lose their fortune? Oh my God. The Thomas brothers. The Thomases? Yes. Four sons of bitches. I think Garmin had them by the balls and was like, hey, hand over the maps.

That was a huge thing. That was like everybody had a Thomas guy in their car. As soon as you came to LA, you had to get a Thomas guy. And it was just a series of maps, right? Yeah. Because LA is very driving oriented. All you knew was like a zip code or maybe the block number of your street, in the back found it and then just from there like try and picture it like zoom out be like okay where's that relationship in the freeway i'm gonna take right and yeah so those are

the kinds of skills but yeah i i definitely but i guess it's weird you know i didn't really start using the internet to even like for my education until probably seventh grade sixth seventh grade so i went for a long time, like having to use like the Dewey Decimal System and encyclopedias and stuff like that. You know, it's weird though, like my kid is 11 and a lot of stuff he's learning, you know, memorizing or supposed to memorize.

I know he's never gonna need to know. And it's so easy to look up. It's like, should kids still be learning the same things that we learned without the internet? Or is it just- It's a good question. You know, we were always like, why do I have to know this? But they literally, that is a valid question.

Why learn any information? All you need to do is learn skills for finding the information and also learning survival skills in case all the internet goes out and you have to. The information is taken from you. Right. Yeah. So you should learn how to Google and start a fire. Right. And that's about it.

Exactly. You're good. You're set. But what comes first, learning how to start a fire or learning how to Google how to start a fire? Yeah, exactly. It's the new philosophical question of our era. But that is the one piece that you have to kind of store in the old memory bank.

Right. Everything else just stored on Google, like our email. But I do think that we will look back in 100 years or people who are still alive in 100 years and be like, I can't believe that's what, yeah, we will. We will look back in 100 years. When I am 138 years old. But you know what? You might live that long.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, you're just looking at me and seeing I'm in great health. And you're like, wow, this guy. Yeah, no, that's people think that there might be a great leap forward in life expectancy in the not too distant future. But I do think we will look at the things that we learn the way we educate our children today and be like, that was a leftover. There's a lot of things that I think are leftover. Cursive, we still teach kids cursive, I think. Have you seen People's Pembership now? No. I've seen some kids write down,

what the fuck are you writing? Do you know how to write? It does help you think to be able to write on paper. It helps you think. But there's also so much information now that you have access to that, like, say, a hundred years ago, when you were just learning state capitals and states, just to use internet or computer terms, there's like maybe one gigabyte of information a person had to know for their entire life. And now, when I was your

all's age, I barely knew who the president was. And you guys probably know intricate details of policy now, just because it's all over the place the place like there's so much being thrown at you that right what wasn't thrown at like 30 and 20 somethings i think a lot of that is trump though i think a lot of that is just what a great president our current president no uh just like how wait what how laurie started sweating what did you book me on? What about feminist, Lori? I mean, come on. I love the MAGA network. It's my favorite.

I think the young people had to fuck up the country and put it in a state of crisis before they were like, okay, now we really need to learn this shit. And now I agree that people are a little bit more plugged in. It was the boomers that fucked it up, though. Let's be clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

That's for sure. And then Gen X just sort of wasn't big enough to really have an impact. And now to me, it's like it's an amazing battle between millennials and boomers this next election. And time is on your side because they're dying. Right. I didn't realize millennials are even bigger a generation than the boomers. Did you know that? No.

It's just millennials are more modest, so they don't give themselves the name like the baby boomers. It's like, we are a boom. We're too fucking broke. Right, exactly. Trying to figure out how to afford housing and shit. We're not like, yeah, millennials, let's get together and show everybody who we are. The babygasm. You don't have a war.

Right. That's true. To come off. Well, I mean, I guess that's the greatest generation. But they famously sort of came off a war and came into this time of happiness. And you guys sort of just were dumped during a recession into the planet. And I mean, we've had small wars. So the baby boomers.

We've had war. Just not the war to end all wars. I mean, I feel like most 80s kids were born out of like Coke fueled, like trysts. So like me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My parents always told me like, look, you weren't for cocaine in the 80s. Like I was doing good.

I think all of our parents were some version of high at some point in the pretty soon before we were conceived. So that's why we're all so smart. What is something that's underrated, Lori? Trees. What? You should see his backyard

all cement. Pave it. Yeah, pave it. Every human being should be planting like a tree a day. That's so funny. I was just telling her majesty,

my girlfriend, uh, that we should put a tree in the ground cause we just have a house, a new house. And like watching it grow. Like I remember when, uh, we first moved into a house as a kid,

my parents are like, we're planting a tree. So you will see over time, like how it works and everything like that. And we always got gifts of trees. Like from like my parents, friends, they would always be like, here's a tree for your house. Oh, we don't do that anymore.

But I was like, I want to put a tree down because like, especially when you see a tree that's like really old, you're like, someone thought 70 years ago. Yeah, they're dead. And you get to. I'm taking a, I'm going to take a risk. I'm putting a little sapling here, but eventually this thing will be massive and someone will reap the benefits. Yeah.

And it's good for the environment and it's good for morale just to see greenery yeah now my kids are just gonna carve some stupid shit into a wet concrete block right like they do like our neighborhood has like 1950 something like carbon and like initials yeah but that's the stupid version the tree thing is a good idea yeah i used to play in nature all the time. Like I had woods by my house and I would just go out there. Those are like my favorite memories. How was the valley, Miles? The valley?

San Fernando Valley? I had one motherfucking lemon tree. Encino Woods? Yeah, like I literally hung out by the LA River. Oh my God. Go down like overpasses. And we had one lemon tree that I would climb up in as a kid because I would just like to be like climbing trees was fun. And if you got high

enough, you could just be like, I'm going to hide and make my mom panic. Like I was kidnapped. And then I'll come out when she's like, where are you? I'm in the tree, mom. Oh, we just did that at the mall, man. Just hide under the clothing racks. Clothing racks. Yep. Shout out to my grandma who was like literally left to call my parents to apologize that she had lost me. And I was just hiding in a clothing rack. Oh my God. Yeah, but I would say that from maybe four to 10, it's cool to like live in the suburbs,

buy a forest and be able to play. But then like once you're a teenager, I hung out at the Dayton Mall. Oh right, in Dayton, Ohio? Oh my god. And you had cool culture and lived in Los Angeles, so I think you had me beat there. Hey, Dayton is home to some of the greatest funk bands ever.

Don't sleep on that. Dayton is a great complex town. People from Dayton got mad at me. It's a love-hate relationship, guys. I worked in Dayton many times at Joker's. Oh, really? Yeah. That's very famous.

I've never encountered an audience that was 100% chain smokers. Oh, wow. It happened? Yeah, Dayton. I would have to just throw clothes away. You couldn't wash and shave my head at the end of the week. I couldn't wash the smoke out of me. They're like, Sinead O'Connor impersonator.

They're like, no, it's because of the smoke in here. Lori, what is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know based on personal experience or just information you Googled isn't true? That you have to wait a half hour after you eat to go swimming. There you go. You can eat in the pool and have a good workout. I mean, I wouldn't suggest it because your food will get wet.

That's just what a thing moms tell you because they didn't just want you to have fun immediately. Right. Yeah, basically. Where did that come from? I think it's maybe to justify the adult swims that would happen at public pools. Public pools used to be a much bigger thing. And yeah, you had to get the kids out of the pools to enjoy it. Yeah, you're right.

I found it. The myth was that while you're digesting, all your blood will be diverted away from your arms and legs towards your stomach's digestive tract. And if your limbs don't get enough blood flow, then you're at risk of drowning. Yeah, no, I've heard that. I got the justification. What was the big lifeguard? Was that who was behind it?

Who caused it? The big lifeguard. Who knows? It might have been also an attempt to make sure kids peed before they went in the pool. Right? That's smart. If you just had some sort of liquid, you want to make sure. I'd love to find the person behind it.

He's like, it wasn't about that. It was not, man. It was not, man. It was chaos. Follow the money. He's a lifeguard who lost 10 swimmers because he ate right after lunch.

He got in and his arm was like, oh, I can't swim. But I do remember like I grew up thinking that like I would like

throw up and drown if I got in the pool like a half hour. Like I really thought that that was like a firm cutoff and always stuck by it until today. And now, Laura, you have freed me.

After years of bondage outside of the pool. Chains are off. All right, let's get into the events of the day. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking and doing about today. And breaking news when we're recording this, presumably not when you're listening to it, ABC this morning canceled Roseanne

after they looked up racism in the dictionary. Well, they're like, oh, this matches, I guess, with what Roseanne was tweeting. So what did Roseanne tweet? This morning she went on like a rip. First she came at Chelsea Clinton for like suggesting that maybe she was related to a family member of George Soros.

Like that old right wing, that boogeyman that they love to conjure up. I don't know a single liberal who's ever met George Soros. The only time I hear of him is via Fox News and people with conspiracy theories. Yeah, he's so old. I don't even know if he exists, to be honest.

But again, sure. Dude, he's from the Holocaust. He's super old. You just don't know you've met liberals who have met Trump. They don't even know him. Yeah, dude. I've only met actors before. Exactly. So yeah, she came at him and Chelsea Clinton was like,

just for your information, my middle name is not Soros, it's Victoria. Like, was very kind. She's like, but came at him, and Chelsea Clinton was like, just for your information, my middle name is not Soros, it's Victoria. Like, was very kind. She's like, but thank you. And then Roseanne was like, well, you don't know, during the Holocaust, like, he was selling out Jews to the Nazis, blah, blah. And so, that was the beginning. Then there was, like, a thing.

Someone had tweeted something about Valerie Jarrett, who's a former Obama aide. And underneath this Twitter thread, she replied, Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby equals VJ, which are Valerie Jarrett's initials. So she did the time honored anti-black racist thing of comparing black people to apes. And then some and then threw in some Islamophobia in there just just to top it off. And then afterwards, I think clearly because the Internet blew up at her and was like, what the fuck is going on? ABC, everyone was telling ABC to cancel it. She had like an apology where she said, oh, it was like a joke and bad taste.

And I regret talking about her politics and her looks. And sure. But for someone who thinks they're so smart that they can see the deep state and comment ping pong and all these other QAnon and all these deep conspiracies, you can't even tell the difference between racism and a bad joke. these deep conspiracies you don't you can't even tell the difference between racism right and a bad joke also i regret commenting on her looks is like suggesting that i don't know it's not like i regret evoking the deep-seated racism of you know just horrible white supremacy it's like yeah my bad for being superficial in my comments that were wild racist It also annoys me that she used the construct

of a great roast joke. Right, right. You are, you know, A plus B equals you. B equals a baby, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a baby, right. And then she just picked imagery that was very racist and went that way.

Yes. And then it's like, oh, it's just a bad joke. And yes, it was a very bad joke. No, terrible joke. A bad racist joke. It was, it's just a bad joke. And yes, it was a very bad joke. Terrible joke. A bad racist joke. It was a lazy joke and a racist joke. And to not understand the history behind it. Right.

But that's where you go, you know that was racist because you were making a racist comment to get your fellow racists excited about your quote unquote joke. And we all know what's going on. So afterwards, everyone was like criticizing ABC because they had really not said anything. And then a few hours later they said, okay, season three is canceled. Wanda Sykes tweeted pretty quickly. It's like, I will not be returning to the Roseanne show. I think she's a consulting producer. So she did that first and then ABC canceled it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think this is going to create a lot of debate because Roseanne was very popular and the right mega heads are going to say this is PC culture run amok. I would just say that I think ABC should keep the show.

They need to Valerie this shit. There was an 80s sitcom called Valerie. Valerie this shit. There was an 80s sitcom called Valerie and the lead actress, the titular Valerie, went in to negotiations in the off season and was...

Valerie Harper, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, from Mary Tully Moore. Yes. And they were like, oh, you are going to be difficult with us? Well, screw you. We're going to just kill your character off. And the next season, it became the Hogan family. And the first episode was, I remember this because it was Jason Bateman

was one of the sons, and he came in with a piece of burnt metal from her car that she had died in and made a joke about the piece of burnt metal. He's already recovered from his grief. Yeah. They're already doing sitcom jokes about mom being dead and then they just

moved on without skipping a beat and you know. Perfect. I mean she came after Valerie Jarrett so why not Valerie her now? Just Valerie this shit. When Roseanne said VJ, now if she had meant Victoria Jackson would we all be having this conversation?

No. No, we'd be like, you know what? Then I'd be like, what's wrong with your eyes? Victoria Jackson is so blonde and white looking. I'm sorry, do we have a disconnect on what an ape looks like? Right. Yeah. But it's also, this is just capitalism and that's it.

Yeah, and it's a shame too, because I think the woman who is the head of programming at ABC is a woman of color, too, who even signed off on Roseanne coming back and things like that. So I think, yeah, put in a very tough spot because I think most people were like, you have to do something. If you're ABC, you're Disney. Like, is this what Disney believes, too? Right. I forget which website. I think ThinkProgress sort of aggregated how many media outlets just sort of obscured the fact that it was racist by describing it in every single way except using the word racism or racist comments. Her tweet or the show? No, this tweet, this specific moment this morning about her tweets at Valerie Jarrett. Some people were like, she waded into racial waters uh-huh was one fox news tweeted roseanne barr

quits twitter after offending with statements about chelsea clinton former obama aide valerie jarrett that was just it just offending them washington post said racially charged well so you know again i think this kind of speaks to the culture that we're in now where a lot of conservatives get up in arms when racism is described for what it is and they're like again the pc culture run amok thing and And the same thing too, when people sort of begin to fear the backlash of, you know, actually calling out bad ideas for what they are and the right maybe spinning it as, oh, this is suppression of thought or whatever. I mean, if, yeah, you made a terribly racist comment, let's call that racism. We don't have to say

waded into racial waters. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it's in her contract that she's not allowed to be racist on Twitter. Oh, of course. Yeah. It's got to be. They must have thought about this and she was just, you know, thinking she was big enough and the show had done well enough that she could just do this. But I'm honestly not even kidding about the Valerie thing.

There's so much talent involved with that show that's not her. So you're saying if Roseanne were to die from opioid addiction. Exactly. Because that's what- Yeah, because they already set up her opioid addiction. It's great to have a show about a socioeconomic bracket that is rarely depicted in mainstream pop culture. socioeconomic bracket that is like rarely depicted in mainstream pop culture uh and yeah a lot of those people are dealing with opioid addiction and people passing away from opioid addiction and

you know maybe they could use some laughs you could call it instead of rosanne you could call it rosanne ip rip yeah all right rip yeah rosanne in peace. Exactly. And also it would be mocking her that like, we have your IP now. Yeah. We have your name. R-I-P, intellectual property too, Ma. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break.

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It was a big sports weekend. Yeah. Bad sports day yesterday for the GOP. Yeah. Ted Cruz, go fuck yourself. The Rockets had one of the more embarrassing losses. At one point, they missed 27 straight threes. This is a team that has openly tempted the gods by being like,

yeah, all we do is shoot threes and layups. That's all we do. And they died by the three horrifically. But prior to the game, old Ted, Tedward, was there courtside. Yeah. And he's apparently a huge fan of the round ball. Huge basketball fan, as we know, Ted Cruz. I mean, he made an appearance, I think, during the primaries in Indiana,

one of the great basketball states. Yeah. Basketball central. And referred to, I believe, I mean, Jack, you know a little bit more about basketball than I do. The thing that it goes into is called a basketball hoop. Yeah. Or the basket. Basket or a rim. Right. But I think Ted Cruz called it a basketball ring.

But let's, I mean, my ears may deceive you. Yeah, you might have missed that. You know, the amazing thing is that basketball ring. Nope. Here in Indiana, it's the same height as it is in New York City and every other place in this country. Oh, God. That sounds familiar. And there is nothing that Hoosiers cannot do.

Oh, cool. What an ass kisser. What a fucking asshole ass kisser. And then super producer Nick Stumpf pointed out that he may have just, well, not may, he was just ripping off the movie Hoosiers when he said that. He stole that from the, like,

if Indiana had a state movie, that would be it. Yeah, right, exactly. So, I mean, maybe it was just a reference, but the one thing that Hoosiers definitely didn't do, call the basketball hoop a basketball ring. Yeah, in that clip, it's funny because you see a woman like as he gestures to the rim. When he says ring, she looks over like, what the fuck? He called it a ring?

Does he know where he is? Basketball ring? Yeah. Yeah, boxing, they fight inside a ring. Right, exactly. But there's no basketball ring other than the championship ring, Ted. Yeah, exactly. But there's no basketball ring other than the championship ring, Ted. Yeah, exactly. Which the Rockets will not be getting now, thanks to you and your fucking tweet that cursed them.

He's done it before, though. He did it before an Astros game. This time he tweeted Clutch City, which is like the exact opposite of what happened. Right. And now we have another Warriors-Cavs finals. Is this the fourth year in a row? Four years in a row. That has never happened in the history of the NBA, NFL, NHL,

Major League Baseball. There's never been the same teams meeting four years in a row in the championship game. And it's almost a foregone conclusion that the Warriors are going to win at this point, and it sucks. So, yeah, we really needed the Rockets to pull that off. Not if you're from Northern California.

Are you from Northern California? Are you a Oakland Warriors fan? No. I'm just tired of watching men do things. I've sort of backed off of those kind of sports. But I will tell you that, just to contribute to the Ted Cruz conversation, he is the most sexually repellent man I could think of on top of me. And do you guys remember the debate where he had food in his mouth?

Yes, in the corner. Like it was just chipping. Little white stuff? Yes. It is so sickening. And when I think of it, I just get disgusted inside and my vagina tightens close. It closes up. So that's my.

That's your take on Ted Cruz. Yes. And the NBA. Yeah. Everything you see. Shout out to the WNBA. Also yesterday, what else happened in the world of sports? Rudolph Giuliani, the man who we are seeing just descend into senility before our eyes as he defends the president.

He was at Yankee Stadium on Memorial Day to celebrate his 74th birthday. And, you know, he's a kind of a figure. He's a lifelong honorary Yankee. I mean, that city loves Rudy Giuliani. They still call their delicious tap water Rudy juice. Or at least they did 10 years ago. Really? I've never heard that before.

That's what my sister called it. She's like a cool New Yorker. Oh, wow. Cool, hip New Yorker talk. Did he make the water better? Yeah, tap water kind of improved under him. I didn't know that. All right, Rudy juice.

Well, see, I'm sure they remember those things, and also how he led the city out of 9-11, things like that. He can't squander all of that good faith, right? Yeah, well, despite everything he's done. So check this out. This is during the Yankee game when they're going around announcing people's birthdays, and they get to Rudy Giuliani, and the crowd erupts. Right.

The Yankees wish a very happy birthday to Mayor Giuliani. Happy birthday to Mayor Giuliani. Happy birthday to Mayor Giuliani. I guess they've been kind of... Just such a smile in that guy's voice. He probably thought Bruce Springsteen just walked in. Yeah, yeah. They're saying Rudy. I wish there was footage of what his reaction was.

I wonder if he got up and took his hat off and was like, yes, thank you. Oh, oh, they were booing. Never mind. Took his teeth out. Good sports weekend also for America because Boston lost. And LeBron confirmed as at least the second best in NBA history. I don't know. Do you think Michael Jordan is the best?

Yeah, probably. I don't know. And it's tough because i somebody had a tweet over the weekend i think it was logan trent uh from cracked who tweeted something about like how it's different we should just have different eras of the best ever because like bill russell was the goat in his. They won like 30 championships in a row, like an annoying number of championships in a row. But he would not be the best ever today.

And I don't even think Jordan would be the best ever today. What about Kareem? Kareem was the best in his time. He actually listed, that's funny that you say that, because he listed Bill Russell, Kareem, Jordan, and then LeBron. And Kareem was the controversial one. I was like, Kareem? Interesting.

Okay. And Magic not in there? Yeah, no Magic. Really? Yeah, he went Kareem right to MJ. I would have gone Magic in between. Anyways, so yeah, happy offseason to Boston. No personal vendettas at all.

No. I'm just saying happy offseason. You guys had a great season, and that was adorable when Jason Tatum dunked on LeBron. Yeah. If you come at the King, you know the rest. So also speaking of Boston, there was a Harvard study that's horrifying, but confirms what I think we have speculated about here on the Daily Zeitgeist. So they looked into the number of deaths that are attributable to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico and have come up with a number slightly above the 64 that the Trump administration had thrown out there. They were only about like 75 times off.

Yes, it's 4,600 is the number of deaths that Harvard is saying, over 4,600 is the number of deaths that Harvard is saying over 4,600 is the number of deaths that Harvard says are attributable to the hurricane. So just to put that in perspective, because I think in the aftermath of a lot of these super storms, people were referring back to Katrina and saying, you know, at least this isn't as bad as Katrina. People were referring back to Katrina and saying, you know, at least this isn't as bad as Katrina. And the death toll of Katrina was 1,833 across all the states. And Puerto Rico, they're thinking 4,600. And that dropped Bush's approval rating into like the 20s. It caused Kanye West to say something really smart. And the fact that it's in more slow motion this time and that like with Katrina, it was like five days of just the government fucking up.

And here it's been months and months of neglect of complete neglect. It's been months and months of neglect of complete neglect. And also presumably the fact that it's brown people who speak a different language who can't vote. Right. Who can't vote. But clearly that is something is making a difference because this is not the defining story of the year like Katrina was. Or maybe the country is more racist than it was back then. But I think we're just not really treating this as a story of Americans are being left to perish in an unnecessary way. When you look at it, a third of those deaths were preventable in the sense that people perished because of delayed or interrupted medical care. So that's people who had medical treatments, had to get to hospitals or diabetics or things like that. Those are just things like as your infrastructure crumbles and you don't address, those people are very vulnerable.

And they, yeah, they would naturally be at risk to die unnecessarily. Do you, and also it's an island. Do you think if the same thing happened to Hawaii, you know, say what the lava situation gets way, way worse and there's that many deaths in Hawaii. Do you think this government would have the same, I don't give a shit. No, because people can vote in elections. Those people can vote for president. But they always vote Democrat. Yeah. Well, yeah. But I'm sure at the same time, I don't think their calculus is just is that blatant. We're like, oh, well, they can't vote. They don't care. I think it's just sort of less of a priority for the people who are putting in the aid. I'd imagine that any bona fide state

would get proper response from the government. And I think because Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, they just feel like it's sort of like people just have this weird thing. I think a lot of people were reminded, especially in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, that they're like, remember, Puerto Ricans are American citizens

that need to be treated with the same dignity that we care for people in Louisiana or Florida or Hawaii, California, what have you. So I think that's what makes it exceptionally troubling because it seems like for the longest time, the people on the ground in Puerto Rico were waving their hands saying, hello, like we have real problems here. And I think, yeah, because they're on an island too, I think it's even easier for people in the media, for us here on the mainland or whatever to sort of be like, oh yeah, that's right, Puerto Rico. But I think this is something hopefully that will spur some kind of change. I mean, I know there are a lot of people going over there from

Congress to try and like talk to the people and say like, hey, we care about you. I don't represent you, but I want you to know I'm trying to do something for you despite the utter lack of effective response. I was just kind of looking and comparing the two sort of responses and scandals, Katrina and Maria. And, you know, Bush at the time told FEMA they did a good job and that was a huge scandal because they obviously clearly fucked it up. And backed away from that and that was considered a huge blunder. Trump, in the immediate aftermath of Maria, was telling people of Puerto Rico that the responders can't stay there forever and that they created a terrible financial situation for themselves. Yeah. And just like,

I wonder if there's like a shamelessness, like he almost steers into the swerve, like so much that it's just like, you can't even fucking comprehend of how horrible like it is. And it's just, it just explodes. Or in his like sort of paint by numbers, Neo like conservative, like thinking is brown people

who need help are leeches on the system yes so it's like oh yeah look we can't we can't be here the whole time to help you get back on your feet i mean come on at some point those bootstraps got to kick in and you gotta pull yourself up he probably wants to put a wall around puerto rico yeah he doesn't even know where it is he just wants to take a couple slick jump shots with the paper towels get the photo op and then be like, all right, mission solved. Mission accomplished. Yes. We also, as a nation, may have had like catastrophe fatigue under the Bush administration.

We're 9-11, which was preventable and Katrina, which was not preventable, but definitely we could have done a much better job. But some kind of barrier has been broken. And now we're like, oh, this thing happens to us every year, maybe. And also, I think right from the election, Trump for 50% or more of the population was so unacceptable that this is just the 95th thing where you're like, Jesus Christ. Whereas Bush was, you know, people were infuriated that the Supreme Court gave him the election. But at least you're like, Jesus Christ. Whereas Bush was, you know, people were infuriated that the Supreme Court gave him the election, but at least he was like, well, he was a governor and we know his dad. And so he seemed a lot more legitimate. So when he kept the second term of

screw ups, it maybe turned the 5% of the population that was like, well, what can he do? What harm can he do? I think people just need to take the immutable truth of it all is 4,600 American people died and there was a terrible response and many of those deaths were preventable. And I think that's the conversation. I think that's a conversation that needs to be had more of sort of like, we need to look at FEMA. We need to look at the government's response and really ask for real answers here. There needs to be investigation and hold people accountable. And Puerto Rico needs to have a voice in Congress. Absolutely.

They don't. There's some Puerto Rican American Congress people, but they don't represent Puerto Rico. No, they don't. Yeah. There's also the fact that they have politicized literally everything to the point that I'm sure they're going to look at this report

and be like, oh, that's just the liberal media. Because I mean, in the aftermath of the hurricane, the way the media was covering it being like, man, there's really a lot of people without power. He was like, oh, that's just the liberal media trying to... It's a combination of things. But I also think it is that things have just become so politicized that part of the trump administration's overall goal has been to create a world and this is exactly russia's propaganda strategy create a world where there are no objective truths so that you can't can never arrive yeah you can't like be wrong because there are no objective truths and people's minds are just exhausted and i think it's worked.

But yeah, people need to think, if you're getting so up in arms about people fucking taking a knee to draw attention to police violence as, oh, they're disrespecting the flag. Well, what about the disrespect to these American citizens? They're not inanimate objects. They're human beings too. All right, we're going to take another quick break and then we'll be back to close things out. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and we wanted to talk about a twitter thread that is now turning into

a a couple mainstream uh media outlets are picking it up uh it's this story that uh 1500 children were lost by the u.s government uh in the aftermath of crossing the border, basically. And it seems like the story is... So the person who wrote this Twitter thread is a lawyer who kind of works in these circles and has a lot of lawyer friends who are specifically working on children who come across the border unaccompanied and need to be supervised as they're released to family members. And the thread is basically saying that that story is mistaking the idea that government immigration officials are not immediately able to locate these kids with them completely losing the kids.

Essentially, this government branch, the ORR, which is the Office of Refugee Resettlement, takes these kids, puts them with either family members or friends, whoever they think is going to look out for the children's best interest. Yeah, never like a stranger. Right. They're not just like putting them out there on the street and then like, oops, we turned around and they're not there anymore. They're with family.

They're with friends. And then the idea that they lost track of them is just that they then try to reach out to check in on them and are not able to contact those kids. And the point that this lawyer is making is that these children haven't gone missing. A lot of times they are with family who, you know, don't necessarily want them to be contacted by immigration authorities or don't themselves want to be contacted by immigration authorities because, you know, ORR, the people who are having trouble tracking these kids down work hand in hand with ice and uh with ice and our you know immigration authorities who are the same people who are

separating children from family members and stuff so the idea it's i think people associated this with the story that ice and other immigration officials are separating parents and children. And they're like, and then we're losing those children. That's not what's happening. And in fact, by focusing on the idea that these 1,500 children have gone missing, it almost suggests that the ORR should be keeping closer tabs on the children and be like less likely to release them to family members and friends. And so it's just a misleading story that kind of got away from, I think the New York Times and AP, according to Snopes, were the first outlets to really report on this. And it got conflated with the story of ICE separating parents from children, which is happening and which is a

terrible story. But the lost 1,500 kids is actually misleading. And also, it's either benign or it's almost kind of harmful to say that those kids got lost because then ORR might be more likely to keep those children in custody and less likely to release them to people who presumably have their best interests in mind more so than ICE and ORR or immigration authorities. Or it lends to a talking point. It's like, oh, well, if we need to find these kids and it's like even stricter uh enforcement like just like literally trying to look for these kids and more you know probably more deportations at the very least i'm sure people who are hardline immigration people they don't they don't mind this uh conflation of stories because then that that allows them to sort of operate in this thing they're like yeah you see

we got to really keep tabs on these people. And it will probably deter people from actually seeking asylum here because these are the kinds of stories they hear and they're like, oh my God, this really might not be the place to come. Right. So that's a great- Well, that's a good explainer, you guys. Hey. I know that-

Well, yeah, we were guilty too of conflating the two because we saw and we're like, holy shit. But then like anything, experts come in and like, hold on, hold on. PBS did have a headline that they were being given to sex traffickers like what so oh my god i think there were some people that were but again these were all kinds of stories that were being that were overlapping with each other in the same general area and we're like oh right this is this is the you know this is the broad stroke story about this there is a horrifying story of ICE and immigration authorities separating children from their parents and keeping their parents in custody.

And that's a story that everybody needs to follow. Keep an eye on it. It's fucking horrible what's happening. But it's just – we should also keep track of the 1500 uh children being lost it's just a thing where you should know what the actual what that means what that functionally yeah it's not that they were misplaced it's the same i think she used the metaphor of sort of like you know once a prisoner is released from a prison yeah prison doesn't go oh we lost this prisoner right because we Because we can't call them or whatever.

Right. Yeah. Exactly. But yeah, the other thing too is Donald Trump used, you know, there was also this report by the ACLU, which was about a lot of abuses

that was happening to migrant kids that were being held by Customs and Border Enforcement in the Obama administration. And a lot of like liberal activists were mistakenly tweeting images saying, look what Trump's doing to these kids. But it turned out this was during Obama's administration. And a lot of like liberal activists were mistakenly tweeting images saying, look what Trump's doing to these kids. But it turned out this was during Obama's administration. And he sort of took that to spin his whole immigration policy to frame it on the Democrats,

because he tweeted, he's like, put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from their parents once they cross the border and into the U.S. Like, whoa, my guy, this is your policy. Yeah. And they're not in power. Yeah. You need to put pressure on your own people. Exactly. And yourself.

But he. This is your idea. But this was a perfect Trump tweet. He didn't know the difference between there and the possessive there. And also you brought up the wall. And of course, MS-13. So, you know, there he all the buzzwords. He has ghostwriters on some of

his tweets that deliberately misspell stuff right is that true yeah i think the new york times wrote about it yeah yeah that's amazing like that i think that he gets also to blend in with his idiot tweets right well they give him like three options and then he's like which one do you like and i'm like okay that one and boom. And also he never physically tweets. He dictates his tweets. To Scavino, to Dan Scavino. Or whoever. Right.

Which makes him a dictator. Wow. Ooh. Which- Sound the alarm, Nick. I'll be here all night, folks. We found a legend. Woo.

Boom. Sorry. I did want to say the Twitter thread is from a lawyer named Josie Duffy Rice or Josie Duffy Rice. People should follow her. She tweets a lot of really interesting stuff on this subject. Yeah, and thoroughly explained the mistake that we were all making. Yes. And we're going to try and have her on at some point.

But I'm sure she is being just drowned in media requests right now. From first-rate podcasts. Maybe in like five years. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Not a second-rate one, of course. Right, second to third rate. We're trying to get to second rate. Maybe.

Wait, does she know you have that air horn sound? That's a good point. If she did, would that move you up in her eyes? I don't know. I guess, yeah, in any correspondence, it'll just have to be an audio clip. Right. Where it's like, brr, brr, brr. Hello.

They can't do this. If you make a good one, they'll do this. We have sound clips. What about this one? Oh, no. That was George Takei. Oh, no. All right, and we do like to check in

with the box office here and there because movies do create a lot of these myths and misconceptions that we talk about. And this past weekend, there was a big release. The Star Wars universe had another chapter released out into the world. It is the movie Solo, a Star Wars story. Miles, you saw it. I saw it. You said it's your favorite movie Solo, a Star Wars story. Miles, you saw it. I saw it. I went Friday night.

You said it's your favorite movie now. Oh my God. I paid $20 to see fucking nonsense. Okay. I'm kind of, I mean, truth be told, I'm a huge Star Wars fan, so I have different reactions

and I don't think, Star Wars is one of those films that again, no one can have a real objective opinion on because you bring your own emotional baggage into every Star Wars movie

depending on what the franchise meant to you. And your relationship with your father. Exactly. Mine is terrible. So whenever they don't touch on this, I get incensed. But yeah, with Solo... They don't touch on you and your dad.

Yeah, I'm like, yo, they didn't mention my dad by name. This is bullshit. But I still keep coming back, you know? Because I keep thinking, Lando might be my dad. Anyway, but yeah, I mean, Solo, I don't know. It felt like a film

that clearly had a lot of script changes, director changes, and it just was a little wonky. I mean, there's... I've talked to some people who were like, oh, I felt it was fine. But these are kind of more casual Star Wars people who just don't... who aren't like just outraged by everything and i wasn't outraged i just and it was not even that it was like

bad it just fell flat and it didn't it didn't even capture sort of like the magic of star wars even like all the other films to me have uh but like this one just felt really flat and i was a little disappointed by that now i don't know people on twitter can come at me and explain why, blah, blah, blah. Miles is playing it cool. When I asked him what he thought of the movie, he literally spit on the floor. I spit on the floor, yes, and then I peed myself in anger.

Making unbreaking eye contact with him the whole time. This is how bad it was. Yeah, it just fell flat. You do have nice concrete floor. Right, yeah, exactly. We have that. Easy to clean up. Exactly. Is just fell flat. You do have nice concrete floors. Yeah, exactly. We have that. Easy to clean up. Exactly.

Is that why you went to this space? That's why I wear joggers. Miles can't control himself when he's angry. So we need a lot. And I can only wear jogger pants because they're tight around the ankle. So it just fills up my pants and won't go into the floor. So in terms of box office performance, the movie was below expectations in America. It still broke 100 million, but still far below expectations.

I think they were hoping for something closer to like 140 or so, 160. And it absolutely tanked in China, which is a trend we're starting to see in Star Wars movies. Yeah. I think people think it's a combination of the fact that the original trilogy didn't really penetrate, didn't really get into the Chinese shared cultural touchstones.

Turns out they have their own mythology. It's a 5,000 year old culture. Exactly. And they also, they're not great with ghosts and there's a lot of like force ghosts and shit and uh in the star wars movies and i think i i've heard that also pointed to as yeah a reason there's just all people just don't care and they're they're not connected to the franchise like they are in the u.s or parts of Europe or even Japan. You know, like Japan, like I think Revenge of the Sith is like one of the all time, like the greatest openings in Japanese.

Revenge of the Sith? Yeah, episode three. Okay. That just shows you like people are bad over there, but it makes sense because there's more of a cultural connection between Japan and America. Well, yeah, they stole the entire aesthetic from Kurosawa movies. And Jedi is based off the word jidaigeki. So, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of stuff. What does that word mean?

Jidaigeki sort of literally translates to era drama. So for like most people, these are like samurai era, like period dramas. So, yeah, that's why I think from there, George Lucas was like, oh, I like this. Like it's all about sort of the same thing. You're using swords, but future swords, and it's very honorable, and there's this very defined warrior culture. So yeah.

Oh, interesting. Do you think if they had an Asian lead, that would help in China? Well, in The Last Jedi, they had a main character. A woman, right? Yeah, a young woman whose name I'm drawing a blank on. Wait. No, no, no.

I think in Rogue One. In Rogue One, yeah. Rogue One, they had, I think, Donnie Yen in it. And then, yeah. But also Last Jedi. Oh, and they had, who's the guy who played the blind Jedi? He's blind. He's been on a, he's a Broadway star.

Oh, God. John, I can't remember his last name. He's Asian American. And he was like two Star Wars ago, he played a blind Jedi in the marketplace. The scene is just coming to me. Oh, okay. No one? I think that's Rogue One.

Is it Rogue One? I think what you're talking about is Rogue One. Okay. Maybe I didn't see them in the proper order. Sorry. it on a plane yeah that that was that was three ago JetBlue is actually the best place to see oh yeah that's the way that they intend those movies to be seen it's C12E yes yes on a four inch screen uh like three on a horribly scratched DVD. While you're marching on blue chips. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, I, I can also like, if you look at, so the force awakens, I feel like was the least reliant on previous sort of mythology. And that's the one that did the best in China, I think,

and also did the best in America. And then last Jedi, I feel like was, there was so much Luke Skywalker. And if you're not into the original trilogy, he's an annoying character. He's like not that cool. He's just whining the whole time.

He's gonna take these power gamers to Tosche Station. He's like the Unabomber. He's just living alone in a shack. Yeah. And this movie, the entire premise for seeing it is like looking at Han Solo's origin story. So I think that explanation holds a lot of water.

Yeah, because there's a lot of winks to like the backstory of Han Solo that we've seen through the Harrison Ford character that I'm sure if you just went in to be like, oh, let's see this movie with no real connection to it, you'd be like, huh? Yeah. Okay. be like huh yeah okay but whereas movies like uh from the marvel cinematic universe have done very well in china and you know because those are all self-referential but they're self-referential within a universe that has been created within the last like 10 15 years oh yeah if you're just going strictly off the movies right yeah right like Like you don't have to have been familiar with a separate generation of work to give a shit, essentially. So we'll see if this changes.

You know, I, for one, am concerned for Disney. I mean, those guys need to catch a break. But we'll see if this changes how they think about, you know, their release strategy of one Star Wars a year. But Disney's, their new hit show, Roseanne, seems to be doing well. Right. Oh, shoot.

I'm sorry. Right. Yeah, because, I mean, that's the thing. Everyone got a congrats from the president. Hot damn. Uh-oh. But, yeah, I think the question was, like, are people getting Star Wars fatigue? And that might be the case.

I don't know. Or, like, also, this just sounds objectively like a movie that had a very rough go in production yeah and was kind of fucked up stop making fucking prequels maybe that maybe stop making prequels i'm down for the lando movie oh are they making a lando movie that was that was the thing yeah they're gonna have i think a lando movie get donald glover in there it's just when you know specifically like how that character is going to die maybe that's the problem it's just like you know exactly where it ends for this person so like what's the dramatic tension well i mean if it's a great movie people will see it right

i think the problem is it's not being reviewed as a great movie like right think about godfather two they had that whole prequel thing. That movie sucks. Nobody likes that movie. It's one of the worst movies. Yeah. But he turned it around with three. That's the important thing. Saved it.

By God, he saved it. Lori, it's been a pleasure having you. Thank you. Where can people find you, see you, follow you? I'm on Twitter as AnyLori16, because I guess AnyLori was taken when I joined Twitter. You were the 16th person. Yeah. AnyLori1. No. AnyLaurie16, because I guess AnyLaurie was taken when I joined Twitter. You were the 16th person. AnyLaurie1, no. AnyLaurie2, no. AnyLaurie3. I'm very persistent, Miles. I just wrote a book called Dead People Suck, and it's a comedy about hospice and cancer and funerals and losing a parent. So if that's in your life, you might

enjoy that. And what was your first New York Times bestseller? It's called Shitty Mom yeah that's a parenting book I am buying that for my wife soon not that she's a shitty mom but

it's how to get away with a lot of stuff yeah yeah yeah that sounds awesome including leaving your child in a car for a second just to run into 7-Eleven it's fine folks

without getting arrested yeah for a moment it's 7-Eleven you can see through the window exactly yes yes yes and if you just like put a blanket over your baby,

you're just running in to get coffee. You can't take a baby out. It's just a pain in the ass to get them out of the chair every single time. Car seat? I help my friend with a baby get her baby in car seat, and I'm like, pfft. Total pain in the ass. You couldn't pay me to do this.

Suck. It'll make your life a lot better if you figure out these little things. Also, the blanket lets anybody, if they look in, they're like, nothing going on here. They're like, it's laundry. Nothing to steal. Yeah, exactly. It's a moving pile of laundry. Yeah, exactly.

You're on your way to the laundry. Unless someone goes, it's a magical crying pile of laundry. I have to get it. Get it. Miles. Yes. How's it going, man? Oh, I'm great.

How are you? Where can people find you? Oh, that. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. You can find me at Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page.

We have a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. That's going to do it for today. Miles, we also link off to the song that we ride out on. What is that going to be? Well, okay, so this isn't like a cut. This is more of like to get people up to date. This is a zeitgeist thing.

This is more a zeitgeist thing. So Pusha T, one half of the group Clips, you might remember from the early 2000s, for grinding him. Also has a verse on Run Away. Yes, and just push the, you know, like a prolific cocaine rapper. We like, we talk about his cocaine raps because he talks a lot about dealing cocaine

and the intricacies of dealing cocaine. So he over the week, or on Friday, put out an album called Daytona, produced by Kanye West. Very good. And the album's pretty good, despite the producer that he worked with being a total shithead. Yes. And what happened was there's a track on there called Infrared where he takes a shot at Drake, the prolific Canadian rapper, Aubrey Graham, and says, basically alludes to his use of a ghostwriter by the name of Quentin Miller.

And basically, it's kind of like, oh, you don't even write your own verse. Like, really low-level beef stuff. How can you write these wrongs if you don't write your own songs? Uh-oh. That's a hot take. really low level. How can you write these wrongs if you don't write your own song? Oh, that's a hot take. And then so, you know, Drake kind of, you know, he's also a good rapper. It turns out he put out a response track called Duppy Freestyle. Now, I'm led to believe that Duppy means ghost in the patois there. So in this, he basically comes for Pusha T and Kanye West.

Basically, Drake definitely got the better of Pusha T in this. And he released it like a minute after Pusha T dropped his album. I don't know. Oh, that's right. It came out Friday night. It came out Friday night. Well, no. I think days before at an album preview party,

we found out that there was a track on there that took shots at Drake because people on Twitter were like, oh, whoa, this thing just mentioned Drake or whatever. But as we've all seen, Drake is a quick thinker. that took shots at Drake because people on Twitter were like, oh, whoa, this thing just mentioned Drake or whatever. Yeah. So, but as we've all seen, Drake is a quick thinker and can come out. And he immediately

called his ghost writer? Yeah, he immediately called his ghost writer for a track called Ghost, which is weird and interesting. But yeah, I think this one,

yeah, he definitely, he kind of bodies him. As, yeah, as the drag queens say, he read him for filth. And so, we'll see what Pusha T does. I don't think he'll do much because he did not respond.

It's funny because Pusha T's kind of part is very vague and sort of makes – he never says Drake's name. He just mentions his ghostwriter, Quentin, and Drake just comes for him. Very openly and directly. So he came for his neck. Yes. Very, just openly and directly. So he came for his neck. Yes. So, yeah,

we're going to listen to that. It's pretty good. Duffy Freestyle. Also, Daytona's a really good album. Despite the problematic shitty album cover that Kanye West had,

Art Drake. A lot of despites, but it's worth listening to. It's, I don't know, man, I fucking hate that guy. Yeah,

no. Anyway, for the reason why I'm wearing it is the cover of the Daytona thing is because Pusha T has a background in cocaine dealing, so he'll have us believe it was a picture of Whitney Houston's bathroom at the height of her drug addiction. And a lot of people are like, yo, what are you doing? Why? Why is this the album cover?

Right. Don't kick dirt on her name like that just to make a point of how edgy you are. Again, Kanye was like, i had to pay 85 000 for that photo okay well good for you bro you're good at spending money uh all right we're gonna ride out on that we will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast talk to you guys then bye so if you rebuke me for working with someone else on a couple of v's what do you really think of the nigga that's making your beats i've done things for him i thought that he never would need father had to stretch his hands out and get it from me

I pop style for 30 hours then let him repeat Now you poppin' up with the jokes, I'm dead, I'm asleep I just left from over by y'all puttin' pen to the sheets Tired of sittin' quiet and helpin' my enemies eat Keep gettin' temperature checks, they know that my head overheats Don't know why the fuck you niggas listen to Dead or Mastiff Must've had your infrared wrong, now your head in a beam Y'all are the spitting image of whatever jealousy breathes

Don't push me when I'm in album mode You're not even top five as far as your label talent goes You send shots, well I gotta challenge those But I bring calicos to the Alamo I could never have a Virgil in my circle and hold him back cause he makes me nervous I wanna see my brothers flourish to their higher purpose You niggas leeches and serpents, I think it's good that now the teachers are learning Your brother said it was your cousin, then him, then you

So you don't rap what you did, you just rap what you knew Don't be ashamed, there's plenty niggas that do what you do There's no malice in your heart, you're an approachable dude Man, you might have sold the college kids for Nike and Mercedes But you act like you sold drugs for Escobar in the 80s I had a microphone of yours, but then the signature faded. I think that pretty much resembles what's been happening lately. Please believe your demise will be televised. Yeah. And as for Q, man, I changed his life a couple times. Nigga was at Kroger working double time. Y'all acting like he made the boy when I

was trying to help the guy. Yeah. Who gassed you to play with me? Man, you made this shit as easy as ABCs. Whoever's supposedly making me hits, but ain't got no hits. Sound like they need me. My hooks did it. My lyrics did it. My spirit did it. I'm fearless with it. Yeah.

I really shouldn't have given you none of my time. Cause you older than a nigga, you running behind. Look, holler at me when you multi-million. I told you keep playing with my name. And I'ma let it ring on you like Virginia Williams I'm too resilient get out your feelings It's gonna be a cool summer for you. I told Weezy and baby I'm a done for you Tell yay, we got an invoice coming to you considering that we just sold another 20 for you

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