The Daily Zeitgeist - Run Rudy Run! Racist Jeep Sells Better? 2.24.21

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

In episode 818, Jack and Miles are joined by investigative journalist and Uprising: A Guide From Portland co-host Garrison Davis to discuss Texas corporations screwing over their workers, Rudy Giuliani avoiding process servers, coronavirus disproportionately killing people of color, the Jeep Cherokee, and more! FOOTNOTES: Big Texas Corporations Demand Storm Survivors Go Without Pay Giuliani Desperately Tried To Dodge Process Servers In Dominion Defamation Lawsuit THE COLOR OF CORONAVIRUS: COVID-19 DEATHS BY RACE AND ETHNICITY IN THE U.S. Cherokee Nation to Jeep: Stop using the tribe’s name When Cars Assume Ethnic Identities Cleveland Indians changed their name, now for the rest of the racism in corporate America WHAT’S IN A NAME? WATCH: Wild Steam - Cafe Music BGM Channel Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 173, episode 3 of the Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. I kind of paused there because I can't believe season 173. Holy shit. Put it down. Put the mic down. Yeah, we're going to walk away. 173 feels like, you know, that's what we've always been working towards. Nice round number.

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what a some of the all time great vocal performances and also singing in a way that and this has nothing to do with your performance just then because that was beautiful but like that makes people who can't sing like feel like they can sing along

like I always felt like I could sing along and I think felt like I could sing along. I think because his range isn't he's not 2-1-3. It's just 2-1-3. Right in the same range. Yeah. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our

third seat by a first-time guest here on TDZ. He is the brilliant, the talented, you may know him from behind the bastards he is Mr. Garrison Davis hi I'm the person who's

not gonna sing out of like the three talents I have music is not one of them what are the three that you would consider if you're a superhero? Your abilities. Standing in absurd amounts of chemical weapons, holding a camera steadily,

doing a whole bunch of research into Nazis without getting super depressed. Still pretty depressed, but not depressed to the point where I can't function. Just enough to keep the work going, exactly, like would yeah and then i guess my last talent would be climbing and jumping and stuff i don't know parkour climbing and jumping yeah that's parkour yeah i was actually a parkour instructor for like a few years before i started doing whatever whatever i do now right

reporting on extremism yeah that yeah went from extreme Right. Reporting on extremism. Yeah. That, yeah. Went from extreme sports to reporting on extremism. You beat me to it, Miles. Yep. Sorry. Great. I mean,

so I think we can just say this dude is extreme. Yeah. That's what we know. One way or another. Thanks. Yeah. Garrison, you're also young to the point that you had never heard that was the first time you

had heard uh regulators or anything of of yeah i am g funk era are you familiar with the g funk era no okay that's i am i'm a capital z zoomer hey zoomer uh uh cool well wait do you hate us no all my friends are people in their 30s i know like i see the people you run with i'm like he's probably cool uh all right garrison we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today uh we are going to continue with our ongoing coverage of the texas fuckery off the charts right now companies are not being cool to their employees shockingly uh in in the lone star state

yeah uh we're gonna talk about rudy giuliani's uh the chase film that he's been starring in for the past few days. Slow-mo chase film. We'll talk about the 500,000 lives that have been lost due to the COVID pandemic and how there is an equal distribution across racial and ethnic groups and why that is. And we'll talk about Joe Biden. Just a little update with Joe, where he's at with the wealth tax, with releasing children from cages. I watched I Care A Lot. I wanted to check in with that. That's like the number one thing on Netflix right now. I want to talk about the next great

film franchise, Blade Force, based on just a video, a news video someone tweeted to us about some rollerblade cops. Oh, I saw that and I was very happy um so cool uh and we

will also talk about uh the jeep cherokee uh and why they should retire that name all of that plenty more but first garrison we like to ask our guest what is something uh from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Let's see. The most recent thing from my search history is San Francisco Homelessness Robot because today I saw on Twitter the Boston Dynamics dog robot being used by the NYPD. Not great.

And I wanted to see how long San Francisco has been using their homelessness robots, the robots that just go around and attack homeless people. Right. I was doing it for a tweet. Anyway, it's since 2017. So going on, I guess, geez, four years now. Oh, my God.

So, yeah. San Francisco on the cutting edge of brutalizing the unhoused technologies. Yeah, using robots to attack uh marginalized people and people who need help yeah so actually i'm not really familiar with well first of all so that nypd is using that terrifying terrifying dog robot yeah how in in what way i mean they claim it's for like going into houses where there's an armed suspect, but we'll see how it gets used. I mean, it could very easily be an efficient surveillance tool. It could be used for a lot of things.

That's just the thing that NYPD is saying they're going to use it for, so we'll see. Right. It's pretty new. They're pivoting away from straight-up military technology because the optics are bad and like what about like fucking expensive ass robots that are scary shit it's like i keep hitting us with like militarized police shit what about like future fun dog police it's like almost a hundred thousand dollars for the robot right and you think about those robots right it's like how many how much you spending on the robots and the maintenance? And you could just put that towards... Yeah.

Okay, whatever. And you have to pay someone to operate it. You have to have people to take care of it, manage it. All those people are getting paid for something where... You have to feed it orphans. I think that's what it... That is what the Boston Dynamics robots... Yeah.

That's the one caveat. Like what possible use that's like altruistic could there be for a dog-shaped robot that like you can't knock over like that's like the cool thing about it is like man try and kick this thing over you can't knock it over it'll right it just keeps coming bro i guess therapy guess therapy uses? I don't know. Therapeutic. They should just give it a smoochy-like face from The Simpsons. I mean, even reading the hand-holdy local news, like, let's just give the PD a BJ with how cool this robot is reporting.

It's not even doing real... It's not saying anything a real dog or human couldn't do it's like this this is a quote this dog is going to save lives protect people and protect officers and that's our goal okay thank you his name is frank di giacomo but digi is in there so it feels futuristic that sucks and then they said this robot is able to use its artificial intelligence to navigate things. Very complex environments. Like a brain could. Yeah.

Okay. And what else? It's covered with cameras and lights, which allows police to get a real-time look at things, even in darkness. It's like playing a video game. Oh, goody. Night vision, flashlights. What are we doing here? I have a thermal camera that i got for

reasons right anyway yeah yeah so did i when i was a kid you won't remember this but there's a thing called spy tech i i had spy i had spy tech in the in the early 2000s oh so they brought it back around okay i'm glad it's it's it's it's it's still been going strong honestly intergenerational unit yeah it can it can unite the millennials and the Zoomers. Have they improved it? No, they haven't. I thought it looked cooler. When I was a kid, SpyTech was like...

Bullshit. No, it's still bullshit. It's still bullshit. I remember everybody wanted the heat seeker radar thing that was straight up Predator type shit where you could go, oh, there's heat over there. I remember fucking my parents got me like the fingerprint invisible ink with the light. And I'm like, oh, this shit is bullshit, bro.

I'm just writing like, fuck you on the wall. And then just like using the light to be like, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just, I mean, this kind of ties into what you were saying earlier about your, your skillset of being able to stand well chemical weapons in vast amounts of chemical weapons because the police, police forces were the ones who were using those against you. Yes.

Yeah. Mix of a mix of a, I guess it was mostly DHSs and the portland police bureau um right yeah last last summer i mean also also a whole bunch of proud boys you'll be using a uncertain absurd amount of mace last year one day in august where i was i was kind of i was burning for days after that um yeah real fun yeah and then yeah that was the day um uh proud boy broke robert evans hand same day oh wow just another just another sunday saturday whatever it was just i just learned i just learned the origin of uh the proud boy name which is the

aladdin thing the aladdin thing yeah real dumb yeah did you know this miles that it's based on so there was a useless uh plot in the original Aladdin script uh that was like Aladdin's mom and she was just like you know not not useful for dramatic purposes and she had a couple songs that were cut from the film. One of them was about how she was proud of her son. And the proud boy is seized on that. Like the men's rights movement seized on that as like their thing. Like what?

You can't be proud of a boy anymore. And that's how, that's where we got proud boys from. Yeah. Very adult like thinking Disney distress, Disney IP to like give your origin story to your fucking hate group that's really put your head in the books man crack those books open and learn about some shit man yeah uh what is something gary something you think is underrated

okay this is something i get bullied a lot for. I'm going to say instrumental music. That's what I'm going to say. Because, I don't know, ever since I was a little kid, I could not listen to music with lyrics and have the lyrics make any sense. It would all just kind of turn it. It would all just sound like music to me. Rather than hearing, like, lyrics? Yeah, I don't hear lyrics. I just hear, like, other instruments, essentially.

Okay. So, and basically I listened to Sharmell music because it's more interesting because it has, I don't know, I think there's more thought into the actual sound of it because I just can't enjoy lyrics. It takes too much focus out of my brain to like try to understand what people are saying. So all my basically, all my Spotify stuff is all like a mix of electronic and old-timey instrumental stuff and all my friends bully me for it oh i love instrumental music it's the it's the perfect texture uh like sonically i think yeah because yeah to your

point like there's a there's a thing i've noticed because as i play like more music just sort of ambiently during the like throughout the day when when I play songs that have like lyrics and like songs that I really like, it's a distraction. Because like suddenly I'm like trying to think and then I start singing like a guitar solo out loud because I'm like, oh yeah, that part versus like instrumental music. I can very much be like, yep, there it is. It's I know it's there. I like it. It's giving me joy, but it's not distracting me too much with like taking there it is it's i i know it's there i like it it's giving me joy but it's not distracting me too much with like taking too much of my attention and by old-timey uh

instrumental music you mean like from the 80s yeah 90s no i mean everything from i mean i have stuff from like i don't know i have old like um union songs with the lyrics stripped that have been like remixed and stuff like a nice fiddle in the background yeah you know the lyrics stripped that have been remixed and stuff. Like a nice fiddle in the background? Yeah, a mix of that. I don't know, some remixed jazz. What do your friends tell you you should be listening to? Because I'm in Portland, everyone listens

to folk punk and stuff. So everyone's all You're right. You're good, man. You're right, man. I mean, it's fine, but I'm never never gonna go out of my way to listen to it um yeah yeah well it's also aggressive like when you try to be like oh you're listening to that I mean like look we're gonna listen what the fuck we need to to get through this shit okay thank you uh

what is something you think is overrated garr some robots jesus christ everyone's like oh robots are so fun like no they've done like nothing good ever they've only been bad yeah i think all it's done is the best thing people can say robots have done is like it's helped people make more money faster that's yeah basically yeah and yes there's like of medical applications but i think like overall i think those robotics things I think of just like the factory lines and like how much more you can crank out with robots and things like that and how it's making the environment worse

once we start giving robots guns that's gonna suck they're all bad I don't think anything really good is gonna come of robots but people still like them because Star Wars I guess I don't know I like good is going to come of robots but people still like them because Star Wars I guess I don't know I like Star Wars and of course I like R2D2 but

I'm terrified of robots with guns It's funny because that anti-homeless robot is kind of like R2D2 shaped I know it's so sad Don't co-opt his beautiful form for your evil It sucks because the robot just goes around and pokes people it's right it's the worst and you can get in a lot of trouble for breaking it oh it sucks

terrible what other what other robots are like being used i guess there's like you were saying the factory floor robots factory robots mean you can you know think of um like a computer uh flown like drones and stuff for surveillance from dropping bombs um i don't know just like robots in general just i don't i don't i can't think of very many good ones they need it they need a pr campaign like to write the ship for them because like yeah you could cut together a bunch of horrific robot videos. But where's the one where you're like, oh, robot. Or you're like, you know what? That robot did good. Well, in the Star Wars universe, robots are a thing that people who are lower class or farm laborers work with and sell parts for.

They're basically slaves in Star Wars. Yeah, and they're basically slaves and treated like absolute shit. But in reality, they are a tool of... You have to be a massive corporation to create or the military to create a robot. It's not like people are just picking up robot parts and building their own robots in the streets.

Well, I did have that one Lego kit back in the day right i mean i technically made a robot so yeah but that's like a fantasy of hollywood that like robots are just like a a thing that we can all just like they're yeah slaves we don't have to feel bad about right i think is what the aim is of robots yeah like how real steel right uh hugh hugh jackman movie where like the robots are like hang out in junkyards and like they pick up little pieces from wait they were sentient in that movie no no uh that that's just like where you find them they're oh got you i thought like there was a bunch of robots kicking in a junkyard like smoking cigarettes like throwing dice or something.

They're just on shutdown mode. Right. WALL-E also. WALL-E also, yeah. One of the great robots, but WALL-E's not

WALL-E's not rolling through that door. I mean, and WALL-E's existence is an example of how messed up everything is. The whole robot basically making cities out of trash

because we've wrecked the Earth. Again, we don't want to have a WALL-E robot. If we have a WALL-E robot, we're already in a lot of trouble. We're fucked up. Yeah, we're pretty fucked up. But he's so cute. He is pretty cute. Maybe it's worth it. I don't know. Alright alright let's take a quick break

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Case in point now, this latest story that I was reading, The Daily Beast, is talking about how many workers who have been stranded or like without internet or power to whether like it's to commute or telecommute whatever to their jobs um you know they're having issues getting to work doing work to get their wages um and the employers you know they are you know they understand that these are historically fucked times uh in the state of texas well their commercials at the beginning of COVID told us they did. Exactly. They said, in these historic times. And they're saying, in these times, if you are unable to go to work or work remotely due to loss of electricity during last week's destructive winter storm, you must consider those lost days as vacation. Otherwise, you will go without pay. Fun. That's a policy that a lot of people have been sending emails.

It seems to be like in the dallas fort worth area so there's uh bell textron which is like a helicopter formerly bell helicopter united ag and turf the city of dallas also was sending these very similar emails about saying like hey y'all uh we get it if you know you can work, maybe just call that a vacation. And then that's how we'll avoid losing money here. Go to Cancun. Yeah. Yeah. That is amazing that they're like, that's your vacation.

Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is taking an actual vacation. Yeah. Or the AG fucked off to Utah, too, the second it hit. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah. Good for him. he needs a break i mean these it's hard robbing the society that you're supposed to watch over blend yeah i do have to say i do appreciate the uh move from bell helicopter to bell textron

because they're at least telling us like at least being like oh shit we're not we're more evil than like a bell helicopter can we go cyber pug tried to warn us it tried with robots with all this stuff they tried and everyone's like oh neon lights that's cool totally missed the point right everything's big in textron welcome you're like amazing yeah there's a lot of explanations that like these companies were giving were never like oh man we need to take a look at that we didn't realize that was happening it was like the biggest one seemed to be like well like we contract with the government a lot of times so like you got to talk to them whether or not we can bill them for like emergency pay so like that's kind of like what the fucking deal

is going on here and other companies said oh i mean yes they could do that and oh but i mean not to say like if they don't have vacation time obviously they they'll have to do what they can they can just borrow against their future paid time off well that's cool like nobody actually was like well you caught us that's cool. Like nobody actually was like, well, you caught us. That's a bad look. And we're doing it right. It was just all this like

bureaucratic hot potato. Talk to HR. Talk to the federal government. I don't know. What do you want me to say? But I think the biggest thing is that like in Texas, there's just no requirement

for people to pay any vacation time. Right. So like there's just no safety net for people in any sense and so again this means that like so it's an employer by employer decision that's being made to be cruel what like a it's it's such a quintessential american experience just like distilled into its purest form all of these problems that texas is dealing with because texas is like the most american state right right and all these things are just like such a great example of how everything is set up to fail regular people

right like imagine a the freeze but it's nationwide in whatever form that comes it comes to i mean yeah like going to be a fucking disaster because, again, like Texas is like a microcosm, maybe macro, it's so big of like runaway deregulation for decades and then like patting themselves on the back because they have cheap power or whatever. And just because things are stable. But the second you introduce in any element of chaos or instability, the shit just completely breaks apart and it's just leaving behind just blood and death. Yeah, I mean, it's not even just texas like at the same time this was all happening in texas um uh most of portland's power shut off during an ice storm as well um i mean all of my friends um were with without power for like days and days um i had i i was like enough to have power based on the part of the city i'm in i had i had to have people had to come over to my place to get your power and stuff and to like keep warm um we had like a whole grocery store

collapse like literally like the roof collapsed because of all the snow build up because wow the buildings were built cheaply because people didn't plan on this type of weather right so this it's all stuff like you know this type of you know extreme climate conditions are only going to get worse we're going to have more of these things happening right this isn't the first this isn't the first time something this has happened in texas um it's not gonna be the last time and it's gonna happen across more frequent the country it's gonna be more frequent to be more extreme right yeah it's like i was looking at the video from it was um it was a safeway outside of portland that just completely collapsed and it's like yeah that's like what you see in movies.

It's just like the buildings just collapsed because of all the ice. Based on your conversations with them, did your friends enjoy their vacation from electricity? No. Was it enjoyable? Mostly not. Most of these friends are like kind of anti-technology, but like in a way they still use technology.

So no, not really. they'll like meme about it but they were like cold right and that sucks that facebook post that we got from that uh mayor early on oh god like he just said the he said what everybody like he said american shit he said the truth yeah yeah uh that's that's all you need to know about i think and i think it's like i wish the news could report that you never see like msnbc be like is he telling a lie though you know what i mean or cnn just because like that's real that's real you could if you're in the fucking mainstream media you could say let's be let's keep it to virgil's real quick this fucking the sentiments expressed by that person is exactly what we see play out at every level well when we're talking about people in need in this country so yes while the to say these things is deplorable for a leader we also have this culture inbuilt in our country and

actually we need to confront that more than acting like these like random blemishes pop up in our fucking media landscape like oh here's somebody saying this weird thing that we all know to be true rather than accepting that like this is really the really insidious part about our culture and that we need to figure out how to you know have a reconciliation with that a reckoning with it yeah but you know it's easier to just be like can you believe that guy while pretending like this isn't how all the shit is everywhere they should have given him a show so we just like always know what you know he did he did a perfect job of expressing how texas was going to treat people ahead of time just but he just did it in the way that like people like shitty people agree with so you want to be a little more objective

he's like look what i'm saying is if you look at the budgets, the way the regulations are built, we're clearly not incentivizing or even making it a priority to treat people humanely. That's all I'm saying. Right. Let's say here's the, here's the receipts y'all.

Right. Give him a translator who like puts. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's, it's just jarring because yeah, you see those videos of people living in just the horrifying conditions right and you still have people with the gall to go on tv and you know point fingers in every direction but the ones they need to be yeah

all right uh this next story might be the one good use of the boston uh robot uh boston is it dynamics robot yeah yeah yeah uh and that is to serve rudy his papers uh this dude is facing a 1.3 billion dollar lawsuit from the dominion voting systems and he is uh it's like running man he's just out here uh treating new york like you know one big game of hide and seek from the people trying to serve in his papers because at one point i mean like jack if you knew somebody was trying to hit you with a i would fucking dig underground full i don't even know what the fuck y'all talking about i think i'm dead actually um but yeah it's obviously because he had the starring role in the big lie uh starring rudy giuliani uh donald trump joint and you know the funny thing was he knew that it was the end you

know like he knew the big lie was up dominion is like we told you to keep fucking around and see what happens and they said okay again with mike glendale you fuck around then you have to go into the find out phase rudy was beginning to find out so he's running uh they first tried to serve it to him over email and he wouldn't respond and then they're like you know he had numerous times to even decline email service say that he wants it in person but he was just acting i don't don't know, I didn't get that. Like, you know, what some people do with bills and things like that. And then it turns into

people chasing him across like the building he was in. I'm just going to read this little bit from the Daily News. It said, February 7th, Giuliani hopped into the passenger seat of an SUV and tried to quickly close the SUV door as a process server lunged forward with a bag full

of documents that got lodged between the door. Rudy says, quote, this is not the way it's supposed to be done. You should have gone to my office. According to the account, a driver for Giuliani and the doorman pulled the bag of papers free from the SUVv door so that giuliani could close it and the process server placed the bag in front of giuliani's building uh which the doorman had locked because apparently his doorman was helping him out and kept locking the door behind rudy whenever he'd come in the building and the doorman would only let in people he knew so like he had the homie hook it up by the door and then so when he put the papers down the process server said these documents now belong to giuliani but the story goes on the process server then saw a maintenance worker toss the documents into a street trash can and then when the person went in there's like oh

my god is that really the shit it was it was the actual fucking documents and then later on in a trash can on the street in new york they said for then it continued for two more days not to mention before this they were trying to find him it went for two days trying to go to his apartment trying to go to his office wherever the fuck they thought he would be he was ducking him and then finally like an assistant at his office came out and like accepted it and you know is this a uh a sound legal strategy i gotta ask you guys i i'm not familiar with i'm not a legal expert but but just avoiding getting the lawsuit is that has anybody ever succeeded long term in that i know a little bit about this because there was this um a few years ago i was

looking into this uh this naz. I get shocker. People were trying to sue because he was Nazi. He did Nazi violent stuff. Anyway, but they couldn't sue him because he kind of fell off the grid and people couldn't find where to serve papers. It was this whole investigation into figuring out where he is so that you could serve documents. There was this whole investigative investigation into figuring out where he is so that you could serve, um, documents. There was like this whole like investigative team that was like,

like narrowed it down to the city and then like narrowed it down to like what grocery store he frequents. Then they would like stand in the grocery store waiting for him to get groceries. And then like try to, you know, serve him the, try to serve him the documents, but they never could.

There was like one time that like one of the investigators saw someone who thought it was him in the grocery store but didn't think it was it turned out it actually was and then they didn't see him for like months and months after and they're like they were like beating themselves up over it um can you imagine that was you blew it the fuck god damn it we gotta wait another month in the process yeah it sucks so i i get like as long as they could never give you the papers you're they're yeah they're not they're not suing you yet whether or not that can be used at the trial yeah i don't know i mean because that would clearly be like uh your honor this person was literally evading any form of accountability like he was running from us because he knew what was going on you don't i don't know and according all his

like sound bites before he was before he got this uh paper served he was like oh yeah i'm with that hit me with that billion that doesn't they're just trying to fucking pump me i'm ready i have receipts they don't want to know they don't want to see me in court actually you know what i would like that because i would like to go to court and bring out all this evidence cut to you running the fuck away tire squealing uh to be like driver get the doors out of it get the documents out of the door like come on with with the with the giuliani thing who should who who is your pick to do who's your pick to direct this movie oh geez i think like a guy richie kind of snatch type you know keep it upbeat with some good music or you could do whoever directed the latest tom and jerry

uh cartoon that'd be good on because it's Because it feels like it's very like just. Three directors, one story. The Giuliani evading the summons story. I do. It's so great the way this clashes with he and Mike Lindell just being like, yes, finally, you're going to bring the lawsuit. You've walked right into my trap because now we'll really find out uh the real case that i've been doing behind the scenes it's so whack it's just like you know like when people

lie they're like yeah you'll see yeah you'll see and you're like yeah we will motherfucker we will see and right now it's like that interim period where you can bluff that you have the proof until you have to actually put the cards down you know it's like poker baby but now he's now he's crying you know on tv he's like i've lost 65 million in revenue who michael and dell yes this was six hours ago this headline just came out he says election fraud claims have cost him 65 million revenue i mean whatever that means to him fine but like but where's all this energy, Mr. Patriot hero? The weirdly like the case against him that their that Dominion is bringing is like they kind of framed it as like he was doing all of this to make money, which I don't know why they did that, because even if he's losing money by claiming this it's still like not good i guess i guess maybe it's a matter of like whether he actually believes it yeah and probably what they can prove

like yeah that sounds hard to prove right because like you have to probably prove like for giuliani powell trump it's easy to know what the incentive is like they're being paid to do this by trump who's the the main beneficiary of the lie whereas like he i don't know i mean i'm not a fucking lawyer so i'm just gonna shut up but i i i wonder if that's part partly like they can actually prove like this connection of like he's doing this like he's participating in this because there's something in it for him to continue to defame the company but that doesn't doesn't need to be like a straightforward it's a immediate rise in sales like that that's what what seems questionable to me

that they made it contingent on that because it could easily just be, he's trying to get a authoritarian coup with his best friend as the Fuhrer. Like what more do you need for incentives? Now you're talking like like, millennial court. Right. That's why we would, we should be able to be like, hey, my honor, look, this dude, like,

Jack just said, his best friend is going to be the Fuhrer and he wanted a front row seat. That's what the fuck the deal. Right. But, yeah. It does seem outdated to me that we we still need to like play tag with people who are uh being sued instead of yeah that there is a tag clause in being being held to account for your crimes right like couldn't you just like get outside of their house and blare through like a sound system like it just seems like there's plenty of ways you could

make it unavoidable this is why i'm super excited to get sued it's because i can just parkour away and i'm oh that'd be a sick scene would be great those parkour but like you're his stunt double and they cut through and he's like oh shit they got me. And you're like, oh, shit, Rudy. Harrison, who's your pick? I don't think we got your pick for the director. We could get the guy who did Ocean's Eleven, I think, would make a pretty funny movie based on that. It wouldn't be good, but it'd be funny to watch. Yeah.

I think. I don't know. I think he'll take it overly seriously in some ways and it'll just turn into kind of being accidentally campy. Yeah, yeah. What was that one French parkour film? Oh, D13? Yeah, District 13.

Yeah. Yeah, that's who the director should be for this show. I forget who directed that, but the main star of that was the guy that people credit for being the inventor of parkour David Bell oh really? oh it's a Luc Besson movie? I didn't even know that

I didn't know that either it's okay the French version is better than the American adaption so there you go yeah that's what I meant the French version starring Rudy Giuliani now starring Rudy Giuliani yes so there yeah right right yeah that's what i meant the loop the french version yeah starring rudy giuliani now starring rudy giuliani yes i feel like that's one of those art forms or you know skills that you can't beat uh just watching somebody do it in a youtube video

because like with hollywood it's too easy to be like oh that was probably special effects or whatever um it's like street magic it's like making a be like, oh, that was probably special effects or whatever. It's like street magic. It's like making a movie about street magic. You're like, yeah, well, that could have been a it could have been an in-camera special effect. Well, it's funny because like that, I remember, you know, back in my day in the late 90s, they used to like it was like they would call that shit freestyle walking. You know what I mean? Like the beginning of just like wiling out with your feet and just doing some weird shit.

I was like that. I remember my friend Chris, we would always laugh. We'd be like, yo, freestyle walking. We had the same bit. It's just so stupid. It's so funny. Yeah. Kamikaze walking.

That's why we would do shit like that. And then 20 years later, you're like, oh shit, they did that. They figured it out. But it was based off, there was like an MTV segment where they were like, and these guys known as freestyle walkers, but they weren't even doing parkour. They would just like jump off a bench and do a spin. It was basically like- It was a prank.

It's like the office parkour that's tormented me for every day of my life now. People just yell at me when I... Freestyle walking. Freestyle walking. Because then it was soaping before that. What? Remember the shoes soaps that had the grind plate?

It had a grind plate on the sole of the shoes. It didn't have a it didn't have wheels on the sole oh i see what you're saying there was a like by the arch there was like a grind plate so you could just hit a fucking 10 stair in your skate shoes on your feet that sounds i remember my boy jeff just fucking shattered his clavicle like fucking on trying to bust it like a 16 stair and i remember like we were like 12 or 13 at the time and like the big thing we teased him about was like you know we heard your mom

had to help you pee because like you couldn't use your arms and dork toxic yeah um or your mom's a nurse cool real cool dude uh that really seems like one of those things that's so irresponsible of them to sell that they would have to come up with a fake use, like why the thing is on there, because sliding down banisters on your feet for 60... That doesn't

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And it's been covered in the media recently that America just crossed the 500,000 people lost COVID-19 milestone. Obviously, very grim milestone. But, Miles, your friend group. And the you know, when you look at the figures, obviously, we've talked a lot about, you know, the fact that people of color have really been the, you know, the biggest group that's been disproportionately affected by the virus in terms of death. And when you look at some of these statistics that were put together just about a week ago, so right before we got to 500,000, you look at just some of like the death per 100,000 statistics. And it's really it's grim, right? One in 475 indigenous Americans has has died so that's 210 deaths per 100 000 one in 645 black americans has died that's 155 per 100 000 uh like it takes a second

like when you start looking at who is making up the country demographically numerically and then what who's you know to to use the termly, like overperforming based on the actual share of people who are in the population. It's people of color who are who are really looking at death rates that are in the multiples of their white counterparts. Black Americans die at twice the rate of their white counterparts. Indigenous people, 2.2 times latinx 2.4 times and you know as we look around and we talk about oh the numbers are going down and that's good and like the uk is talking about maybe they're going to be open by june 21st and all this shit i see all the memes going up on uk twitter but you know in this country too like we're also having we're also dealing again we're

not with just how this is disproportionately impacting people of color like in terms of when you get infected but even with how we're distributing the care and the vaccinations white americans accounted for 65 of the number of people who have been fully vaccinated just over five percent um who have been who have received two doses are black and a lot of it is too we have really fucked up ways of measuring these demographics. Like a black life expectancy isn't typically going to 75. So by saying, Oh, people over this age can get access.

You are already eliminating an entire group of people because of the negligent way our healthcare system works, our lack of social, social safety nets and things like that so it it's it's already like it's insidious and even how we're distributing the vaccine because like that it's those like well this is the age that we're targeting it's like but look at but break it down demographically like there's high risk groups in their 60s for black people that should be getting this who are just as in need of this as people over 75

so you know all this to say like as as the news focus and things change and things like that we have to really be able to keep this at the front of our mind because yes while the actual pandemic response itself was just disastrous it's again underlining this really violent uh way of of treatment that we are subjecting people of color to it's not just because oh well there maybe there's something about uh people who aren't white the virus effects of different that's not the fucking case but it's because we aren't taking care of people and look at some of the maps where people are getting vaccinated like in la like south la where a lot of people, majority of people, that area is a majority of people of color, barely any vaccinations getting out there.

Lancaster, fucking barely. And it's not a fucking mistake, or I'm sure there's a way to have these benign explanations, but to not actually put that at the forefront and say, we have to actually meet people where they are and when they need it to be safe and address this you know we're we're fucking up but yeah it's every facet of american cult like anytime there's a stress test anytime you look at any facet of american culture uh american medicine like just the um you know down to who gets prescribed painkillers like that that is a thing that is racist uh yeah i mean it's just any when we're trying to address systemic and racial inequality without acknowledging that the thing we're trying to address it with is racist and white supremacist

it it doesn't work you can't it's like but medical people said that with a broken tool right if it's over 75 it needs to be there but you know you have to be a little more uh i guess analytical because there's many health experts that are like well that's not gonna that's only gonna help mostly white people and the numbers yeah i mean yeah it's that's it's not it's not a very intersectional approach at all um yeah i mean it's it's it's just it's it's all it's overwhelming and hard to fathom yeah i mean look it's the yeah america is at the intersection of fucking supply and demand right you know what i mean let's's talk about Joe Biden real quick.

I'd just like to check in with where he's coming down on policies that affect Americans. It was Janet Yellen recently reported that in terms of how they're going to pay for various programs to help america get back after the pandemic she said they're pursuing corporate tax and capital gains taxes uh she's open to discussing a wealth tax but biden is not uh and then also just opened his first detention facility for immigrant children so all the uh people who were like finally biden won and i can now celebrate because there will no longer be children in cages no they're unaccompanied minors in overflow facilities is what people and my twitter replies are saying because i have a outrageous amount of like you know like capital l liberal followers because of my reporting last summer.

And every time I bring up stuff about Biden, I get, like, tens or like dozens and dozens of people being like, oh, but it's the first three months. Or, oh, but he's still dealing with the best Trump left over. Or, oh, well, it's different because X, Y, and Z. And it's like they're incapable of criticizing Biden because, I don over oh well it's different because x y and z and it's like they're incapable of criticizing biden because i don't know it's it's a weird thing yeah they're centering themselves when they when they defend joe biden you know what i mean they're trying to because it doesn't really bother them and the fact that it's bothering other people now yeah like well should it well no but it only, and then now you're just hearing their rationalizations to why they aren't outraged because really they should just be able to say,

just dial it back. Objectively. Do we still want to put kids in cages? Do we not, do we not want to reunite people? Right. Like whether or not who, no matter who's the president,

if that's the case, then why can't we demand that that happens, that we are reuniting families. And then, but here's the thing, Joe Biden, he's really, they did a good move where,

you know, there was that deportation freeze that was blocked by a conservative judge. Yeah. And they said, well, the judge, I mean, the judge blocked it.

What do you want me to do? Yeah. Well then motherfucker, you're the president. Start figuring some shit out. Start cracking some skulls. The fuck are you talking about? That's the thing.

It's like, yeah, I was, I was angry tweeting about that for a while, and I'm like, it's like I've got hundreds of people at this point being like, oh, well, one conservative said no, I guess we can't do anything else. We tried! Like, no! You're the president's the most powerful man in the country,

arguably. Like, if ice isn't listening and there's a there's a judge's block of this then start just dismantling ice like like yeah you can easy you can do things you're the most power have the most political power than anyone else in the country possibly the world you're gonna let one conservative judge like stop you no it's just because you don't want to put in the work. One judge and fucking Joe Manchin are fucking everything up because suddenly the man from West Virginia, he's the stunt queen of the Senate. And he's like, oh, well, now my vote is really the deciding thing. So let me fucking fuck around with the OMB nominations or maybe Deb Haaland for the interior who absolutely should be running the interior. But he's trying to make noise like oh i don't know about that like get the fuck out of

here because now he's found a way to be the you know a little bit of a power broker and shit and it's it's all getting fucked up i mean i think this also plays into how like the capital capital d democratic you know voters um and and. They're like so terrified of any criticism of the Democratic Party. Like always, it's like, you know, oh, we can't criticize people right now because it's going to affect the midterms. And oh, after the midterms, we can't criticize anyone because it's going to affect the general. It's like they can never take any criticism of the candidates

because they feel like it's just an attack wholly on their idea of like progressiveness um even when the criticism is coming from further left um just because they they feel like any of it is they it's almost like they feel like the party is so fragile that under any criticism they'll fall apart and the conservatives are gonna right get in um it's actually it's their own egos that are so fragile and fall apart at any criticism because the people on the outside aren't looking at it like that. That's Beltway thinking. That's Hill thinking of like, yeah, you can't, don't say this about them.

Because most people aren't like wonky enough to, to understand the optics arguments or the polling to see like why one thing doesn't work. When most people think like i'm seeing that a majority of people want medicare for all i'm seeing a majority of people want an aggressive green new deal or path to renewable energy and they that's like they just can't they can't really summon the energy to be like wow a majority of americans are on this side let's now take that and march forth and do good rather than you know this whole other thing of being afraid of whatever criticisms are going to come out and then

immediately water down legislation that helps no one or just the people that you want to help specifically yeah i don't know i'm just i'm so frustrated i've lost i've lost at this point probably thousands of twitter followers because i'm just like rage tweeting about how biden's not doing anything and i have all these like you know these people with like biden kamala usernames sure getting all mad at me and i'm like i don't i don't care like yeah you're you're now you're you know you have like oh i know, you have like tons of like anti-Trump stuff in your bio. And now you're the one, quote unquote, defending these unoccupied minors in overflow facilities. Like, no, like you're too like you're too offended to call it kids in cages now that we have a blue person in office.

Come on. Yeah. Well, you know, that's that blue maga thinking. That's just fucking the same shit. It's like, nope, fucking tunnel vision. Nothing is wrong. But yeah, it's like rather than getting mad at the people who have the awareness and analytical skills to be like, this is not what he said he would do. This is not good objectively for children.

Send your outrage to the people that are keeping the kids in the cages. send your outrage to the people that are keeping the kids in the cages why are you getting mad at the people who are making you realize that the people that the guy who's in office who most people like he's not going to do any of this shit that it's turning out to be true start then start advocating for the people that if you really give a fuck yeah but then they have to pause brunch yeah and brunch is so tasty but yeah like i tweeted about the fucking um detention facility today and you know one of one of the replies from a a person with the blue flag in their in their twitter name is the kids in cages thing was because they're using old walmarts to build cages and house large groups of children here we have modular buildings used as schools are

there cages are they just places where people get processed i need more information terrible how about this cage or not detained children as you're looking at like fucking like shipping containers with like bars on the windows like that's what the picture like really you're not gonna call it a cage all i hear when you say shipping containers modular sir it's a modular place that's like a school right these are cages or facilities these are tiny prisons from this company that does tiny houses from the tlc show and they're great little how it's like what the fuck why why are you gonna bend your mind into saying because let's distill it down to the real argument which is children should not be detained and separated from their parents and people should not be detained and separated from their parents

and people shouldn't be detained and separated for moving to a different country i get the feeling like the feeling of okay but republicans are so much worse and like strategically if we're criticizing the democrats then uh you know we're the republicans are going to win the next thing but like it really it's really starting to look like the thing they object to about the republicans is less policy and more like the wording around it's more that they called it yeah it's optics and like that they don't want to have that put in their face, that that's what goes on. They want a smooth, like a cool looking president or like a nice president who does the things

that make their life possible behind the scenes so they don't have to think about it. Like that's the thing that I feel like they're not admitting to themselves. Yeah, I mean, I've seen as many tweets as there are about immigrants and ICE stuff that I get from my more liberal center followers. It's the same thing for people expressing relief that they don't feel obligated to check what he's tweeted today. It's like basically it's because it's like it's it's like an optics thing right it's like they don't want someone who looks rude

but they don't really care about what's actually happening it's like it's it's what it's what like the facade is like or what you know the optics are to themselves and their friends it's like it's you know it's it's the it's it's like the respectability politics is almost more important than actual policy or it's like someone who like talks shit about veganism but like they couldn't for a second look at a meat processing facility yeah you know what i mean it's like fuck veganism are you serious meat all fucking day don't show me what other fucking man oh fuck right like get the fuck out like you know just fucking deal look at the shit in its eye and then look at reality and then do what you got to do or just you know start maybe have a little bit

of self-awareness like am i tricking myself a bit to protect myself from maybe thinking a little more critically i mean and like new things you know a lot of these like new thing like new things are always uncomfortable, right? And it's much easier to kind of ignore things and just feel comfortable, right? I wish I could... Sometimes I wish I could just disengage from everything and just live like a regular person because I assume it's similar to you

how you're so in-tuned with all the current events and all the horrible news and it can be overwhelming and depressing and it'd be nice if you could just you know fuck off into the forest and not have any brunch and fuck off to brunch and just not have to look at like not have to look at this stuff just like be completely isolated right it's like part of that is attractive um but you know that's only possible if you come

from a place of privilege because if you if you aren't privileged you can't do that right so you know it should be people's obligation to learn about these new things and learn about from a place of privilege because if you if you aren't privileged you can't do that right so you know it should be people's obligation to learn about these new things and learn about these other solutions even if they seem uncomfortable because you have the ability to ignore them but a lot of other people don't because it's their everyday life yeah let's move on real quick to a story about words actually mattering because first all, that's something that we were talking about, I think, on yesterday's episode. The connection between the word Kung Flu being used by Donald Trump a year ago and the current rash of hate crimes against elderly Asian and Asian American people. elderly asian and asian-american people um there's uh people are pushing back specifically uh the cherokee nation principal chief uh chuck hoskin jr is pushing back on jeep to retire their

cherokee line of suvs uh for what should be obvious reasons um the original jeep cherokee was introduced in 1974 so it's not like it hails from uh turn of the century like our wagon times that's like basically as old as basically as old as my parents right uh that's crazy but uh yeah your parents um yeah man we're cool grandparents uh but so jeep uh jeep issued a statement about how their vehicle names have been carefully chosen and nurtured over the years to honor and celebrate native american people for their nobility prowess and pride um but they're open to having a dialogue with Hoskin, which I'm sure would be in no way demoralizing and soul-draining. So JM, our writer, pointed out that Jeep already retired the Cherokee branding

and then brought it back in 2002 they were like okay this is a bad look in 2002 and changed the name to that was the year i was born is it really yes i'm so i'm a baby okay you are baby. But in 2002, they changed the name to the Jeep Liberty. But then in 2014, they went back to Cherokee. I didn't know this. And that's wild. Yes. So the reason their statement is we want to be politically correct and we don't want to

offend anybody. However, we're really opposed to stereotypes but if you have a name that offends nobody then you end up with a forgettable brand is what jesus christ which oh my god they are first of all the the name Liberty. Pretty terrible. Still cringy. Still terrible. So bad. It's like they're blaming us for the fact that they came up with a name that sounds like they were trying to rename French fries during the Iraq war. Right.

And they're like, well, that wasn't successful. Therefore, we have to go back to a explicitly racist name what the fuck they're so i mean whatever like again this is just this is what america looks like now yeah as as like most americans have you know are a little more informed than they were like from the maybe 70s consumer base. Right. Like a lot of shit starts being like, oh, God, like we got to get rid of all the sports teams. So many cars. And there's like but then the thinking with these people that are behind them are like, well, what do you want me to do?

The non-racist thing didn't sell. Right. Exactly. sell right exactly what they uh their decision to go back to the cherokee after the liberty failed was based on uh focus group testing so it's that whole yeah like you said it's yeah that doesn't that doesn't surprise me that they yeah that's actually that's actually not shocking they also uh used to sell a comanche and unsubtly a comanche eliminator oh my god with ads featuring white people dressed like cowboys jesus christ and there's a like broad history of this in cars pontiac is named after a real life ottawa chief uh sold their cars using ads featuring tiny,

uh, feathered cartoon, Indian Braves, uh, in quotes, that was their words, working the cylinder in the engine, like miniature slaves,

making that faster. Yeah. So that's, this is so much worse than I thought. Wow. Yeah. That is, this is,

this fucking image is, I you know but that's this is the same shit as like any kind of you know blackface yeah like sambo type imagery of just straight up like look at these little colored people working their butts off for us to make life easy aunt jemima pancake syrup right It's like the same shit. Yeah. And we just got rid of Aunt Jemima. What are they going to call it? I mean, so where is this going to end? They're going to keep calling it.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Not unless, I mean, not unless Zeitgang gets something done out there. This podcast number 250 on the charts. You can't even find us on the charts in the news category we got this y'all got it yeah i don't i mean what the fuck i'm it's yeah you'd hope at the very least right they could just make i begin to make amends be like you know what here's 70 billion dollars yeah that's what i'm like if you're gonna like use it like with the not to say that you can

continue to right but you that would be a first step to people being like yo fuck all y'all forever you know what i mean right i mean not to say that we weren't looking at this same brand over and over and over again but damn but the looking at it over and over and over again and it being made to seem normal and acceptable is the problem right and it implicates us in there you know in that by like what you just said that thought process is like how this shit works and like why it's so toxic is like it's like well you guys are cool with it so um right oh y'all you weren't saying nothing. Oh, now you want to make it hot? Okay.

All right, woke warriors suddenly. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, that's it. That's the hardest shit. Even like when you look at, like in like real estate, trying people to be like, yo, it can't say master bedroom. You know what I mean?

Say primary. Right. I mean, you got to get rid of this like master slave, you fucking binary or relationship even just like oh the master bedroom you know it's just uh a lot of things it's funny too because there's a lot of people who will have you see like these topics come up where they're like well it's that's what it doesn't matter so i'm not saying it's a i'm a slave master right i'm not saying i'm against indigenous people but it's like but yeah that's where you have to say you won't die right if you can change the way you speak right right you won't die right because that that would be a concern if you died because you could no longer say master

bedroom then maybe we could have a little conversation here but if it's just purely about changing you know thinking for two seconds before you speak then just that's what we owe it to each other to begin that's how we so we start building the blocks to something that feels a little more equitable yeah i think that yeah part of that is i think when at least in my experience we're talking like family and stuff about that people like assume like once you bring stuff up they like they like get defensive in a weird way because they assume you're implying that they're some racist monster. And they feel like... It's weird because it basically...

It plays into the whole white fragility thing, which I feel like sometimes is... The way people talk about that is usually not always helpful, actually. But in this instance, yeah's that's that's that's very much um what that kind of is is that you're being asked to do this thing that you felt was like this you felt this was just so normal and regular you put no thought into it and now looking back you're like scared to be um like accused or like scared to be like implied to have you know not so great views.

And you want to and you want so you push back on that. It has almost like a backfire effect where like they want to prove so much. So they have to like convince themselves that, no, it's actually fine to say this thing. It doesn't actually mean anything. That is a concern. Right. And then you just want to be like, I almost want to just take people like that. It's OK.

It's OK. That's OK. That's all right. I know. I know this feels I know you feel like you're being attacked right now because I said you shouldn't say master bedroom and it seems so innocuous. But I'm telling you, the reason why is because it's evoking slavery. OK, we don't want to do you. You agree slavery is wrong, right? Yes. OK. I'm not mad that you said that, baby. That's just this is how we learn. okay i'm not mad that you said that baby that's just this is how we learn yeah somebody has to tell you and then what you do is you say okay let me hear you let me hear let me get some knowledge let me process that okay i i do agree slavery bad i do agree that i don't want to offend people certainly not any black people i'm around especially uh by being careless with saying things like this okay so i since i do agree with those things now the ask is just just change just change the vocab a little bit yeah that's all nobody's gonna fucking smash you up i know and

i think that's the thing is we always i think that's just how our how we work as people though like we have a as human beings we have the greatest capacity to overblow a potential scenario in our minds we're like you go oh this shit is gonna happen and that's gonna lead to this and this is gonna happen and i'm gonna go outside people are gonna scream at me and throw garbage at me you know like we all we all have versions of blowing things out of proportion or making them a lot scarier before we get or actually enter the confrontation the interaction whatever the event and it's always not as bad as we think it's never as bad as we think and i think that's

part of the thing is a lot of we get wow i'm sorry i'm not trying to say ableist language i'm not this is not how i think but then you have to calm down and say and be like right all i gotta do is just check a couple ways i'm describing things or how i was just lazily expressing something and in fact it's forced it forces you to actually be a little more creative with how you speak like in a way it's like kind of you to actually be a little more creative with how you speak like in a way it's like kind of you can you will you will evolve for the better yeah and you're you're gaining more compassion you're getting more you're being able to empathize with other people's experiences but i'm not racist but i'm not racist like okay whoa it's okay

yeah that's not that's not it that's not what we're saying just can but can you move forward that's all compassion for yourself. Like a lot of people fucked up. A lot of people fucked up in the same way. You don't have to freak out and assume that that makes you a worse person. And all of us will continue to fuck up as people, not just with how we use language, just even in our lives, how we interact with our loved ones and everything. We're not fucking perfect. But overall, even in those moments, how we interact with our loved ones and everything. Like we will, we're not fucking perfect,

but overall, like even in those moments, you really have to be able to be kind enough to yourself to say, it's like, be your own. You know, if you have that grandparent, you had a good relationship with like,

it's okay, baby, don't worry. Don't worry. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. That's, you got to tell yourself,

even if when it feels bad, it's not going to be that bad. Uh, well, Garrison, it has been, uh, a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist, man. Where can people find you and follow you? I guess mainly would be probably on Twitter is where I do some work,

various kind of extremist reporting. I've also helped written a few things for Bellingcat. It's is an online investigative website uh but but but um on twitter i'm at at hungry bow tie um you can also check out a podcast that i helped uh make uh called uprising a guide from portland um i worked on with some other really great people including robert Robert Evans from behind the bastards. Um, and then I guess also,

uh, I have a few, I've written and hosted a few episodes of behind the bastards. Um, so yeah, you can check, check, check those out on wherever, wherever you get your,

wherever you get your podcasts. What was the, what was the third wave one called? It was like something about creating little Nazis. It was like the class that made 200 child nazis yeah yeah people uh that's if yeah if you want if you want to learn how uh a school teacher accidentally made 200 nazi children over the course of five days um check out check out the behind the behind the bastards feed somebody needs to option that episode turn it into a movie because i know

they've tried to make movies out of it but they've all fucked up every single one of them and that that lays out a really good like kind of yeah story of it they they made like a bad tv movie in the 80s and then they made uh they made a german film about about a decade ago that's actually not terrible but americans aren't going to watch a German film. Um, so it's, yeah, a very, a very well,

we could get turned into a good movie if people knew how to make it. Um, yeah. Yeah. Is there a, a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Um, I did see a tweet, uh,

a few days ago. That was a screenshot of a review of princess mononoke um that was pretty that was pretty good um it says um if i met a girl who was raised by wolves and hated me i would also do a bunch of stupid shit to impress her which i feel is pretty yeah it's pretty good right um i would i i wouldn't i would yeah i would do a lot of things to impress uh wolf girls or wolf boys or wolf people yeah i mean that's a yeah that's that's a one of things to impress wolf girls or wolf boys or wolf people. I mean, that's one of those things like, I don't know how I'm going to get

on their radar. Right. What do I do? I'm just trying to spend more time in the forest. That's been my kind of goal for 2021 is just trying to spend more time in the forest in Oregon just because it's just much healthier for my mental state.

Such great forest up there. Yeah. It's good. Some of the best up there, up there. Oh yeah. Top five forest. Top five forest,

Jack, go. Oh man, not LA. I'll tell you that much. There's a lot of scrub brush out here, man. Yeah.

And the scrub brush ain't bad either. Hey, Miles, where can people find you let's tweet you've been enjoying oh my god twitter instagram at miles of gray also the other podcast for 20 day fiance uh we're talking about 90 day fiance uh tweet i like this one shout out to noah goddard who tagged me said i i thought you would find this funny and in fact noah i did thank you because i'm not really on the Twitter too much again for mental health reasons.

So I can continue to bring you all the laughs every day. This is from at Merman underscore Melville, Heinz Baked Jeans. And the tweet is kind of a bummer to have been born at the very end of the fuck around century just to live the rest of my life in the find out century. Welcome to the find out century welcome to the find out century yeah um hey at least we got to live a little bit yeah in the fuck around century you

know i grew up in the fuck around century so yeah sorry good for you guys yeah yeah i was funny i'm like i was just thinking about it man peak aware i had peak awareness and not during 9 11 right you were born yet i was not born yet shout out to you though i was i was thinking about you even then that's good some tweets i've been enjoying at the baddest mitch tweeted the person who invented the baby pacifier must have been at wit's end i just like the idea of like somebody just being like just stick that shit in their mouth fuck up find this

right and uh Louisa Louisa K tweeted would be a huge power move for Kanye to wheel out the Robert Kardashian hologram as his divorce lawyer and you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about, as well as a song that Miles recommends you listen to. Oh, man. Miles, what is today's recommendation we're talking

about we're talking about instrumental music now this is a little bit different than what garrison is talking about like i know there's just solid instrumental music fantastic instrumental music producers who would go out their minds making beats and wonderful compositions with real instruments but there's also this thing in japan and it's it's like it's all over but in japanese uh there's a genre we call bgm background music okay and it's just shit that plays that is it's not it's not really meant to get too much of your attention it's just there to be a fucking like a wallpaper you know what i mean so i listen to a couple different playlists like one's just like a coffee lounge and it's just a little piano,

little Samba, my little three piece thing. And the, the tracks are nice. They're easy. They don't distract. And if you have like a little speaker, some play that shit all day and you,

I'm telling you, it will raise your mood. So this is a track from the album coffee lounge from the artist cafe music, BGM channel on Spotify. And this track is called Wild Steam. Okay. And this is just some straight BGM background music. Like back in the day in Japanese hotel rooms, they used to have like built in radios in

the nightstands that were between like a twin bed type room. And there'll be a button or a knob that's a BGM. Oh, really? You could just literally crank up your bgm up or down just for the vibes it was never really like good music it was just vibes you know and not like like reggae vibes like straight up piano jazz vibes but i love it so that's what i love this one out yeah yeah all right we suggest you go check that out the daily zyka is a production of iheart radio forio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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