The Daily Zeitgeist - Running The Break with C.J. Toledano

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

Miles and Jack were pleased to be joined by the writer, creator, founder of Follow Through LA and co-host of iHeart's newest NBA show, Running the Break C.J. Toledano as they discussed some of the NBA's Las Vegas Summer League action and plenty more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, man, it's been a while. It's been a while. And we're going to keep that as they head into their first seasons with none other than today's guest, writer, director, and co-host of iHeart's new fantastic Better Basketball podcast, Running the Break. We got CJ Toledano in the building i'm miles gray and i'm jack o'brien and this is my miles and jack jack god god mad boosties that was so insane that was crisp that was ridiculous and now you are locked in um i always i have to say i always appreciate the tone you come in with the well

we're back at it again yep just you never know and the nba is still out here still doing it except for the final episode where we go well folks it looks like we've done it we've we've reached the end of the road put the n NBA out of business with our ridiculous podcast. But it is good to have somebody who makes a good NBA podcast here, CJ Toledano. What's up, man? Stop. I'm doing good, guys. We all make good basketball content for podcasts.

You're too kind. You're too kind. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. We're watching your highlights, just sobbing. Man, we need to do that. I just wish I could talk about the on-court stuff. You know how many dunks?

I'm just like, can't talk about that. Yeah. Well, we'll switch. You know what I mean? We'll sub on each other's show just to get those takes out. Because many times I just want to talk nothing but sneakers. When you saw the name of our show, were you upset that you didn't get a show title that bragged about how high you could jump? Oh, that's about you guys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. I thought every person, every guest was the one with mad boosties. No. Oh, well. No, I'm sorry. I mean, unless you got mad boosties oh well no i'm sorry i mean unless you unless you got mad i mean i can't i have medium boosties if you guys want like a an after show yeah medium boosties well what are we talking you grab the net grab the bottom of the net how high up the net you grab it um like i would say uh. Okay. That's still something.

I am hitting the very bottom of the net, but I am hitting it so hard. I'm hitting it so hard. Oh, yeah. When you're just windmilling the bottom of the net, like, yeah. Yeah. So, CJ, I mean, let's get into it. Welcome to the show. Obviously, this Powerhouse podcast with many Powerhouse podcasters have come together.

Your show, though, like you're saying, we talk about what's going going on the court yeah you on running the break along with your co-host you talk about what's going off the court so what are we talking everything from what's who's got the most style throwbacks sneakers what everything do i mean like the thing is i i mean i'm an x's and o's guy to an extent but like a lot of my love and passion for the game has come from like, I mean, I was a 90s Bulls kid, right? So I was like decked out in Bulls gear, Jordan gear, all that stuff. And then it grew into just like, yeah, sneakers. And then it was me paying attention to what outfits everyone was wearing, what like trends were going on. And then, uh, and then like meme culture happened and

nba twitter and all that so it's just like basketball and nba as you guys know is is just such a a vast world out even outside just like what happens on the court so that's what we're trying to cover on uh running the break what's your favorite uh jordanans of all time? It changes. I would probably say the Jordan 3 white cement. It's the one he wore in the 88. Yeah, free throw. Free throw line dunk. Wow. With the back air on the back.

The threes. I'm a threes or fours. Those are my two favorite. As adults, those are ones we can wear with closing. And it's not strange. You're not trying to show you can play basketball in the middle of a meeting you know what i mean right like if i pull up in like aqua eights people gonna be like i can't take this guy seriously he's a joker yeah

is he gonna jump out of like a plane or something like yeah those look like yeah but i love those shoes but i get what you mean yeah yeah yeah if you pull up the later ones they're like the 30s that look like they like like you should be flying them around in dune yeah or something you know like they're just like triangles um that's i i can't pull them off but i wish i could yeah see we have hard-hitting questions up top but let's go even harding hittingHidinger, if we may. Miles isn't conjugating quite right yet. He was just in España. I was in España. See, after seeing Wancho, his performance in Hustle,

I was just like, I got to go. I got to go to the promised land where basketball was born. The birthplace of baloncesto. Was basketball born in Massachusetts? Hey, we're just going to pretend for the sake of this. Bo Cruz's basketball career was born there. Did you go around to any

of the outdoor pick-up games to try and scout talent? Oh, yeah. This one guy was in work boots. He hit me with a Sham God and my shorts fell down. That's how embarrassing it was. They're next level out there on those courts. Yeah, your bow tie started spinning around. Yeah.

You play pickup with Benny Hill. Yeah, exactly. There's a full band behind us too. But anyway, Summer League though, this is the one thing though, when I was over there,

I kept my phone on me. I was looking at all the Summer League highlights because it's, you know, this is our first chance to get to take a gander at these uh rookies coming into the league what was everybody else's experience guys rubbing your mitts sighing exasperatedly was what was going on i mean i usually go the first weekend but i just because like some family stuff i had i'm going this week for the second weekend and it seems like i missed out on the greatest party and social gathering of the NBA season. But I was watching the games.

And the thing is, for my marriage, it's not good because I'm just getting excited about exhibition games, about players who are not playing to the actual competition. So it is a contentious part of my relationship. But I do get really excited watching these young guys. Yeah. Well, you get in trouble with former guest Megan Gailey because the competition is not good enough. She's like, all right, you can be excited,

but this competition is... Well, I'm just like, you know, it's like... You're just too obsessed. Yeah, we're having dinner, and I'm like going out for a Sharif O'Neill layup. You know what I mean? So it just doesn't count. I hear that a lot.

People are like, you know, it's just the Summer League and I get that. However, I have now watched some of these players play in the NCAA tournament, which is, you know, supposed to be like decent competition. Yeah, from what I hear. And then the NCAA tournament, which is supposed to be decent competition. Yeah, from what I hear. And then the Summer League, which is supposed to be at

least that level of competition. And I don't know what... Chet Holmgren looked so good in the Summer League. At a level that I was like, what were they doing at Gonzaga?

Like the Gonzaga coach has made me look like a fool. He is so good. Like some of his skills were just like not at all evident in those NCAA tournament games or really like any of his college highlights that I've seen. Like what, what happens there? It's wild. He looks awesome.

I'm just like, I mean, that's the thing is I feel like the college game, those systems or whatever in college are like be a role player or whatever. But like you look at a guy like Chet Holmgren who was designed to play basketball in his own way. Like some really like get after it chet and also too like i tweeted this like he had he's been having such performances that like i'm already envisioning my son like years from now like in the driveway yelling chet instead of kobe yeah and i'm like chet was yeah it's just like i chet is like a banker's name right yeah 100 but i'm just i'm still in awe of him as a

physical presence just seeing someone that long elongated uh like for lack of a better term moving the way he does just just defending the rim like it was i couldn't i there were many times i was like oh wow he's doing all the things that everyone was saying he does. And he was doing it so effortlessly. I thought maybe there would be some slight, like a period of adjustment. But again, it almost felt like he was like,

you know what? I should have been drafted. Number one, let me show you something real quick. I remember making fun of Kevin Durant. Cause I didn't watch any of his games at Texas. And then like that bench press part of the combine when he couldn't bench press like 150 or something like that i was like this guy's gonna

be terrible and i was wrong um yeah wait what happened with him i forget how was this he was in a movie called thunderstruck and then kind of just like went out of the radar but i mean that's the thing is like their their strength doesn't just look like bodybuilders i think um and you know chet was he wasn't just like hitting shots because he was tall he was like blocking dudes and like running the floor was really impressive yeah like a lot of people were calling out the kenny lofton jr clip where and we will talk about kenny lofton because he was really fun to watch. That was something that Carl Tarp

has been calling out for a long time. He was really fun to watch, but Chet Holmgren can do stuff. If you only watched him get back down, you'd be like, okay, this is a problem. But he can do things. He's gobbling shots up from all the way across the lane and stuff.

It's cool, man. He's going to be fun and hard to keep off the floor for very long right away, which is pretty fun. Also, Super Producer Jabari pointed out that Durant turned down Slim Reaper as a

nickname, which I get. It feels like it might be trying too hard, but there is a new opportunity for that as a nickname. Oh, yeah. It's available. I mean, it feels right because he does have Home Depot 12-foot skeleton vibe. Well, and my KD, he's been wearing KDs,

so he knows the opportunity here. So I hope he embraces that. Because I love Durantula. If we can find some kind of arachnid-based thing for Mr. Holmgren, I think that would be ideal. What's this first clip we want to check out of Chet? Just some clean fadeaways. First of all, because, again, I knew everything I read,

but to watch him in action, he's got the execution down. He's such an intelligent player with that ball in his hand the squares the guy up at the top turn around so fluid i would like even more fluid than dirk maybe that's the thing is like yeah i was footwork is nice and his like hands they're soft. They're in control. He doesn't feel overly rigid. There was just these dimensions of smoothness to his game. And that's my own ignorance. I just wrote him off as like,

yeah, I'm sure he can do these things at this height. But when you watch it in action, like, oh no, this is perfectly blended together. Paolo, similar story. I mean, I thought Paolo looked like an NBA player in the NCAA tournament for sure. But man, he came out and was just playing out of his mind like right away for Orlando.

His shot looks great. He looked awesome. He just looks like a step quicker than everybody else. Right. And I mean, I think this is like the, the big thing everyone was saying was, like, he looks like he's already too good for Summer League. Well, yeah, it's like they shut him down, I feel like. Right.

Yeah. And that's the thing is, like, Summer League, it's like you go there, hey, did we draft right? Like, is this the right guy? Can we get him some reps? And then a guy goes in, and in his first game, he's dropping between, like, you know, 17 to 25. It like let's not risk it let's uh let's wait for the season but um yeah it's exciting for like orlando who's needed like a star uh yeah i'm happy that they have those glimpses they're

getting excited already same with okc yeah okc and orlando are like two teams that i immediately will have to watch right away. Detroit too? Oh, yeah. Detroit for sure. Yeah, we're going to get to Ivy in a second. So first, you know, we've got a couple of Paolo clips here. Miles, I know you said that we had to put clips of Paolo in just so you could say his name with your correct Spanish pronunciation.

Paolo Banquero. Wow. Damn. And then Buckets. Truly butter. That is the correct description of that shot. Hard decision to draw. Now slips to that corner on the strong side. And Carroll trying to post up here against the shorter Knicks.

Got a little one on him. Look at that. Yeah, that that's baseline jumper just a drive step back turn around that's just his dna yeah and i asked jabari pregame how motivated and then i step the step back it's cool to see people coming into the league with like shots that were like innovated in the past five years and they're just like yeah no i've i've been doing this since I was 12 now. So this is just natural to me. And for these young guys, sometimes the advice of warm-up up there or out there, a couple layups, good passes. But to take step back, fade away long twos is a gamble.

And they're pulling it off. Yeah. We talk about the game being progressive, and I feel like this is a good example of they just already seem to have... We saw Chet's first bucket of the Summer League looked... I think you compared it to Dirk. It looked like he had just incorporated a Dirk move and was just like, yep, adding that. Palo with the step back just made it look very easy with a fadeaway.

Reminded me of LeBron. Like, it's just, you know, the young people have more, you know, raw material to incorporate. And like, they look good. They look good. They look smooth. Jaden Ivey looked great. And for Detroit, Detroit's going to have a really sick backcourt of a rookie and a second-year guy with Jaden Ivey

and the number one pick last year, whose name is... Cade Cunningham. Yeah, Cade Cunningham. But Jaden Ivey also, I'm just putting it out there, wearing the number 23, coming in the league with the number 23. As a guard, it is a strong move. It's LeBron, it's Jordan, Jason Richardson did it,

but for the most part, people don't do that. Well, and he's also admitted to completely copying john morant's game like obviously their hair is similar but he i think his mom may have worked on the grizzlies uh coaching staff and so he would like study jaw's game and you could you could have seen that in um you know his college play but so like to just straight up admit like i'm taking these pieces and i'm wearing number 23. That's like the utmost confidence. So I'm excited for him.

And his mom is the head coach of Notre Dame, which is a women's basketball powerhouse. Yeah. So just, you know, rain. This one is beautiful. Speed. And then just going up. I saw that eye roll. the mom hits the MJ shrug that's what's great for kickoff a lot of steals

here's the problem that I had with Jaden Ivey so he went to Purdue his mom I think played for the Indiana Fever the Pacers needed a star He went to Purdue. His mom, I think, played for the Indiana Fever. They're like the Pacers needed a star and he ended up going one spot before their draft pick. Like, yeah, you got to at least show attempts like draft the hometown guy. I know you wanted to play for him.

So it was like I was telling Megan, we were watching the draft and we saw the Kings were supposed to take somebody else. I thinkegan Murray and ended up taking um or no sorry they ended up taking Keegan Murray and Jaden had started to slip and I was like oh the Pacers might have got might get him and then the Pistons right before him took him so I was like I was angry at the Pacers organization but you know on behalf of your wife Megan who diehard Pacers fan and are you like does that kind of the osmosis does that rub off on you well so the thing is I support my wife in every way thus I watch Colts games I watch Pacers games the Pacers haven't been that great it was a bummer watching Oladipo bounce and Paul George bounce so I was like they need somebody and I thought it was going to be Jayden and the thing is this Ben Matherin guy from Arizona is hilarious.

He called out LeBron already before from playing one game. He was like, LeBron's still got to go out there and prove he can beat me. Just hilarious. That's a strong move. I love it. So the thing is, I only knew of Jaden. And I really was excited to maybe watch Jaden for the Pacers. But this other dude seems cool, too.

Yeah. A lot of confidence going around. Didn't Joss say the Pacers, but this other dude seems cool too. Yeah. A lot of confidence going around. Didn't Josh say he was like, y'all body MJ if we played right now? He was like, cook him. Yeah, I was like, you know what? I prefer somebody thinks that than doesn't. You know what I mean?

If you're going to be out there doing what you do day in and day out. A new confidence. What do you guys think about that statement because like i think the best players are like jordan the best player ever was probably like 20 years ahead of the league like he was 20 years better than the league but like the league steadily gets better i don't think it's an outrageous statement to for somebody to be like no i would i would be up there with him yeah if he played today i guess like if one part is like i wish you would word it a little like with more deference or something like that but that might

even sound even more funny out of if you're trying to be respectful but also say you're gonna cook mj you're like you know i would believe were we to go head to head i may emerge victorious between the two but that just doesn't sound as good as i just guys they mj invented all of your moves uh yeah that's true you know it's like and the thing is uh mj also like invented to me how to age with your game from being this like high flyer to then the fadeaways and like the craftiness and like he was dropping you know his his score percentage was going up uh at certain certain years in his later years so like no not gonna cook mj i'm sorry yeah are you offended i'm not saying i definitely would be able to i'm just saying that like now that i've watched the younger guys a lot like i feel like i could like get a couple buckets on

them that's all and i can i will remind you touch the bottom of the net yeah i would although like it is the kind of thing though that we wish we could see happen like like a gladiator match where it's like he has called out the champion and then like mj has to be like has to come down from like the mountain and then be like you are mortal uh i do wish there was a way to prove this wake up in a uh in a tent somewhere like brad pitt and troy and just like eat to eat some grapes and then goes out and slays the other guy. Right, right, right. Exactly. All right, let's take a quick break. Ruminate on that. Just confident take from John Morant in reference to the film Troy.

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Big time. Back in a big way. It got a little hairy during the break. I just like, I think John Moran could cook MJ now. Yeah. Maybe that's what he meant. That's the safest I'm gonna go with that take that might be

possible but I wish you know it almost makes you wish that we had a way to like adjudicate these kinds of proclamations from people like where we had like an AI that we could actually create these scenarios

where it could take into account how much more physical the players have become, how much more physically talented they've become, what the speed is of each given player based on their first step or whatever. I feel like why hasn't sports nerddom created this AI yet?

It's also interesting. If MJ were around today, he would have come up with knowing all the moves that it's also interesting like if mj were around today he would have come up with the you know all knowing all the moves that uh oh yeah everybody now has access to and all the analytics probably the whole league would be a few years behind where it is because everybody benefited from mj being as good as he was and you know but it is almost absurd to even think about it. Yeah. MJ was so good that he ended up erasing the center position

because every future center was like, I want to shoot the ball. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about somebody who might have had, MJ might have had some influence on their game kobe bryant and specifically kobe's 2002 finals wardrobe because that's something that y'all talk about on running the break and i think let's just throw to a clip this is this is a

really cool video so game one he shows up in a green throwback New York Jets jersey, Joe Namath. Game two, he shows up in a Jackie Robinson Dodgers jersey. I remember tuning into the finals because I just wanted to see what Kobe was going to wear. Like, what was the next jersey that he was going to pull out? Like, I'm looking in my closet, looking at probably, it was probably a bootleg. My bootleg, like, Alex English rainbow Nuggets jersey. And I was like, wow. I guess, you know, I'm part,

I'm part of the cool group. And he shows up in the Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers in game three. And then the most amazing thing for game four, the final game of the series, he comes in the full Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls get up. He's got the warmup as well. I mean, these are, you know, players in sports history who we consider the goats. So for him to wear that, he was putting himself up there. And I remember just even just being, you know, players in sports history who we consider the goats. So for him to wear that,

he was putting himself up there. And I remember just, even just being, you know, young and watching that being like, okay, if you wear all these and you win the championship, you're in the conversation.

I think you're right. That was the 2002. That was the 2002 finals with, against the nets. Right. So we needed some reason to tune into those finals so it was good that they um uh but that that was dope i actually hadn't remembered that or like didn't clock that at the time but that was yeah a cool progression i mean and i think like that those moments were the first time like it's it's not foreign anymore to be covering the players when they're entering the arena when

they're exiting the arena and their outfits especially and like also using those opportunities to sort of make statements like we think about like westbrook wearing that you know official photographer vest and stuff like that i thought kobe doing that that was like some of the earliest traces of like i'm gonna like talk trash with my was sort of my outfit yeah back it up so i always thought that was like one of the coolest coolest moments in nba sort of like off-court history all right so if you had the same opportunity what four jerseys are you planning to walk into those games though myself i i collect obscure champion branded nba jerseys so i'm gonna rock like i mean this isn't that obscure but like an arvita sabonis i feel like he's like not talked about enough okay what other

ones do i have like a luke like a sabonis like blazers or sabonis okay i thought you meant like russian era like uh yeah um let's see what other jerseys would i wear i i mean i love when it's like an iconic player who ended up on a team that you cannot like you forgot you forgot like an akim raptors i would wear that right yeah like a meme jersey right yeah kind of like a meme jersey like just a flex iverson nuggets yeah or like late years iverson sixers even that throws me off that looks like a custom jersey like someone made right right right right yeah ewing magic ewing sonics is really bizarre yeah that would be jarring but yeah those are some of my favorite jerseys and as an nba player i'd love to i'd love to just like

show tribute that way yeah and showing up and being like hey i'm a little over the hill so don't expect too much from me in these four games i'm this is my statement that i'm out of my prime and i'm just here to have fun and get my picture taken yeah i'm in my ewing sonics phase of my career that makes sense to the onlooker yes uh for you like looking at every i mean there's so much style in the league and i feel like it's evolved so much from the time like we talk about the 90s where i think we were like most visually inundated with the images of nba player style and how much that's changed over the years like right now who do you feel currently for your own personal taste because when i'm not trying to hold you as like as editor-in-chief of vogue uh who were the best dressed in league but for you who do you really

like have your eye you're like oh i like the like the way these... I think the most common misconception is the best dress is the most expensive street wear and labels and stuff. And I'm like, that's the easiest. You get some money and it's like, oh yeah, I'll go buy some brands. But I like guys like D'Angelo Russell, who in an era where sneakers and hype beast apparel and loud logos and stuff is big he is like oh i'm gonna go back to loafers i'm gonna go back to some like muted colors and um just like trench coats and pea coats and all that stuff i think he really does it well

oh he has like his own style kind of yeah yeah like sweaters and stuff and it's like that's the thing is like it's strange it's not strange but it's like if you're wearing jordans in in stuff like that two games to then put on jordans right it's like you know oh yeah you're not really doing it you're not taking advantage of the opportunity here guys so like right um and i and i get like why we kind of went into that um error like why transition because the dress code said you had to wear suits. But now D'Angelo Russell is kind of bringing it back. It's all cyclical and, like, pushing against, like, the norm. Dressing kind of like a businessman.

Serge Ibaka, same way. Like, he does a little bit of, like, the streetwear labels. But he, you know, he does it really well. And it's more so, like, there's, like, curation involved. And it's more so like there's like curation involved. And then Shea, Gilgis Alexander is obviously one of the best doing it now. So those are, yeah, and those guys are all, they have a little bit of their own flavor on it,

I would say. Okay, do you have a favorite low to no effort dresser? Just because, like you're saying, because that is a style too. There are people who do it effortlessly without being like, I don't have to do drip by numbers yeah yannis yannis yannis and a tacumpo yeah okay great i've never heard of him no but if you see him he's just rocking the nike tech flea suits and the thing is yeah that's comfy right right like and then jason tatum like

straight up like he's a jordan brand guy he just wears all the jordan brand stuff he tries sometimes but like like yeah if you get free stuff we're the free stuff yeah that's a thing i appreciate too i'm like i like that they said my favorite kind of clothing is free yep how do you differentiate between like somebody because i feel like they all have stylists now at this point right i think yeah some or like some have stylists just to go out and shop for them right like the the draft of this year i was like yeah man these these are some styled human beings they are meticulously styled and they looked great but it does it does feel like there's in the same way that like now you go to the small town in missouri and everyone looks like they grew up in up in Brooklyn because it's just like we all have access to the internet and you know

the same the same websites I do I felt like they were like kind of all converging on a same level of stylishness so it is cool to see people who are kind of going against the grain like D'Angelo Russell yeah yeah I think the we're just going again like i said earlier like now it's it's like anti-establishment to dress like in business clothes i feel like so i think we're gonna see a lot more of that yeah oh just right it's more transgressive to come down back in your formal wear than the tore up jeans yeah that uh that's when i know back in your formal wear than the tore up jeans that that's when i know i'm old when i look at tore up jeans i'm like you paid for those yeah we talked about that on we talked about that on the on the last episode of our podcast it's like man you are

making millions and it's like you got torn up jeans like no one's gonna believe that yeah i don't know if that's like our like old school parenting where they're like, they're like, you're torn up jeans. What? You couldn't afford good jeans. And you're like, my man, these are $1,000 jeans that look like this. And you find these scissors that can create these holes. Right. These are from Paris.

Right. Exactly. These are Balmain, okay? Now, please get out my way. What else are you guys talking about? I'm running the break this summer. Free agency pitches, just like, I think,

maybe around, LeBron was probably, and the decision was like, one example of how free agency has become such a visible part of the process so um especially you know with what's going on right now kevin durant requesting a trade and and players not necessarily like staying on teams um were there any crazy like free agency pitches like i think uh the celtics when they were trying to get kd before i went to the warriors

they brought in like tom brady to talk to him um and just like the the extravaganzas that are thrown to sort of get some of these players i think they should go bigger and more public so that it's it's like when a city is trying to get the olympics there like everybody gets involved and there's just like city-wide parties to like try and lure kd to a city no i think like they're like on road games for these guys fans if they know that they're on an expiring contract they should pass out like portland should have passed out uh kevin durant well kevin durant's mid-contract but if he was going to be a free agent should be passing out kevin durant blazers jerseys and showing him nothing but love right

right convincing them to come i think new york sort of did that for lebron before that first cleveland exit but clearly didn't work but yeah i mean like get intent like the the fans should be a part of that courting process oh yeah yeah instead of being like rude to the play we hate you yeah you should be like we love. I need my kid after you. Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back. We've done a trivia showdown before. In fact, the last time Megan

was on was our one and only trivia game. It was just us asking Megan Pacers trivia. But now, because we got two Lakers fans here, we got Miles, we got CJ, I am going to quiz you guys

on some Lakers trivia that Miles has not had access to. He's been begging, trying to cheat, but I wouldn't allow it. I'm going to look terrible. I'm going to look pathetic, man. Let me get two of the questions, man. All right, so let's take a break.

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back. All right. Are you guys ready? You have your hands on your buzzers? Oh, this is a buzzer? Yeah, it's a buzzer thing. You have to say your favorite Laker player of all time in order to buzz in and then tell me the answer for each time or a different laker player every time different laker player okay let's make it interesting all right uh first question how long was the

longest winning streak in nba and franchise history extra point if you can name the season. I don't know. I'm going to say, oh, shoot. Eddie Jones. I'm going to guess 37. All right. Nick Van Axel. I'm going to say 44 games.

44 games. Jesus Christ. I'm going to be real rude about your answers, by the way, Miles. I expect nothing less. Point goes to CJ because he got the closest. 33 games. It was in the 1971-72 season.

Up next, when Kobe Bryant outscored the opposing team through three quarters, how much did he score, and who was the opponent? Oh, gosh. Cedric Sabalas. It wasn't the 81 Raptors game, was it? It was not. Then I don't know.

These are real hard, by the way. At least let's hear the player. That's becoming part of the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Eldon Campbell. Was it against the Knicks? It was not. Keep guessing teams, guys.

No, it was against the Mavericks. And the score,icks. Uh, and the score through three quarters was Dallas 61, Kobe Bryant, 62. Oh God. Um, all right.

Apologies to the fans. Which Lakers grade was originally nicknamed Zeke from cabin Creek upon being drafted. Oh, Zeke from cabin Creek. I mean, I wish I knew the answer. I would say Zeke from Cabin Creek upon being drafted? Oh, Zeke from Cabin Creek? I mean, I wish I knew the answer. I would say Zeke from Cabin Creek. It's as if I was a Bulls fan in the 90s the whole time.

Right. I was a Bulls fan in the 90s the whole time, but I lived in Dayton, Ohio, so I didn't really have another option. Man, I don't know. I'm not even trying to put that name together. You have looked at his image today probably multiple times. Zeke from Cabin Crete?

I mean, is it Magic Johnson? Is that you ringing in? Oh, yeah. Multiple times? Yeah. Robert Sacre? Jerry West? Yeah, Jerry West. oh yeah um multiple times uh yeah uh robert sacre uh jerry west yeah jerry west oh my the logo baby robert sacre thank you sacre blue um jabari's body yeah jabari's level of not like jabari will say some stuff to me sometimes when he's like, oh, I just assumed you knew

this piece of obscure trivia. And I'm like, yo, man. Jabari the god with the... I'm honored that he's like, oh, yeah, they're on this plane of existence with the trivia. And now I'm like, I feel like I'm disappointing my father.

All right. I'm just going to do a... Just run through these and you guys just shout out if you think you know the answer to one of them. Okay. I feel like I'm disappointing my father. All right. I'm just going to do a, uh, just run, run through these and you guys just shout out. If you think, you know, the answer to one. Okay.

Okay. Uh, who did the Lakers take with their first pick in the 1996 draft? Their first pick in 96. Yeah. Kobe. No, no,

we traded. Yeah. We traded the, Oh, for the, yeah, for the, the Hornets.

Derek Fisher moving on. Which college did seven-time NBA champion Robert Ory attend? Alabama. Boom. Which player did the Lakers technically draft twice during the late 50s? This is just interesting. It's just funny that

this could happen. Drafted twice? They drafted Elgin Baylor in the 14th round of the 1956 NBA draft. He opted to stay in school after leading Seattle to the NCAA championship game in 58.

Baylor was drafted again by the Lakers this time with the number one overall pick in 1958. Because I know that's our one rookie of the year is Elgin Baylor. Yeah.

I feel like this segment should be Jack and Jabari tell us really cool things. You have me going, wow, you don't say. I could not have gotten a single one of these. All right, we'll do it this way. There are two Lakers greats that have led to the invention of new rules in basketball. Who are the two? Shaq and Wilt no I was I was thinking didn't Kareem like create the uh no dunking rule did that ever get into the NBA or or no was that just college what's the no that was just college no dunking you were not allowed to dunk because Kareem was just like dunking every time down, which is so whack.

But all right. Never mind. There was another. George Mikan created the goaltending rule because he was so tall, so much taller than everyone. All right. Should we put this man through rapid fire? Oh, yeah.

There is no right answer to these. All right. Thank you. And unlike the last segment, this is all about speed. There is no right answer to these. Thank you. And unlike the last segment, this is all about speed. It's kind of like a mic and drill. This is a mic and drill of NBA opinions.

Alright, let's do it. Get ready. Start the clock! Smoothest dressing old school baller, Clyde or Dr. Dre? Clyde. The best. Now school baller, Clyde or Dr. Dre? Clyde. The best. Now, what is it about Clyde? My real name is Clyde, and he's still doing it to this day. Your real name is

Clyde? Yeah. Mother, how are you not going by Clyde? I tried in college, and then CJ slipped out, and everyone's like, you're a CJ. But now I'm like, and again, I have a son, and I'm like, he's going to grow up, and his dad's name's going to be CJ. Clyde. I'm like, and again, I have a son and I'm like, he's going to grow up and his dad's name is going to be CJ. Like, yeah, Clyde.

I'm Clyde. I'm actually you age into Clyde. Like CJ sounds like a cool dad's name. Like I could be like, Mr. CJ, can I have a beer? But if I say, hey, Clyde, they'd be like, you ask Clyde. I'm not asking Clyde. I'm not asking Clyde, man. Come on.

Wait, how? Wait. So what's the J for? Are you Clyde Jr.? Clyde Janwar. It's January without the Y because I was born in January. Oh, damn, man.

Clyde Janwar. Well, so here's the funny thing. I mean, it kind of relates. Filipinos just go nuts on naming people, like their kids. So they name their kids after celebrities that they like, and basketball is obviously huge over there.

So they're like, oh, we're going to name our kid after LeBron. But it's not LeBron Santos. It's LeBron James Santos. And LeBron James is the whole first name, and there's no spaces. There's a kid who went viral who doesn't even play basketball. He went viral because he was singing inside of a Target. And his name is Carl Malone like Panetta.

No space. That is so cool. Wait, so who were you named after? I wasn't named after anybody. They just like the name. My son is named after Jalen Rose. That's a very cool name.

All right. First of all, I do just have to shout out, when I lived in New York, this was before streaming and before you could just watch NBA basketball on YouTube anytime. Got to watch a lot of Clyde Frazier doing color commentary. MSG Network? Yeah, MSG Network. and it is both work yeah msg network uh and if you haven't just gone and watched some greatest hits of him rhyming and hooping and scooping is uh yeah just like truly one of the one of the best to ever do it and then you look at his stats as a player and it's it's mind-blowing the willis

reed game was actually the clyde frazier game he put up like bonkers numbers and it's mind-blowing. The Willis-Reed game was actually the Clyde Frazier game. He put up bonkers numbers. And let's not forget the catch-a-fly-in-the-room technique. Yeah. He was talking about what a cool guy would do and he was like, yeah, one thing that I used to like to do in the

70s is I would just walk into a room and just real slow catch-a-fly in my hand shake it a little bit and then let it go and people that's like accident for flies yeah but he was just like that's you know and I guess it was like very easy for him because he had like incredibly fast hands for me I, I would not be able to catch a fly in my hands without breaking furniture and breaking into a sweat.

Sorry, CJ, I've got to cut you off there because this is rapid fire. We went through one question in five minutes. It's rapid. I know. Here we go. Question number the second. The Summer League happening in Vegas. Give me your top five players

you'd like to enjoy a night on the town with in Las Vegas, past or present. Past or present. We're going to go Rashid Wallace. Okay. We're going to go Lance Stevenson, who I did see on a segue outside of Caesars one year at Summer League. And I kind of proposed the same thing that you're asking me. We're going to go Rick Smits.

Rick Smits, one of my favorite players. We're going to go... How many is that? That's three? Let's go... Shoot, Charles Barkley, for sure. Charles is like my have dinner with that are live. Met him a few months ago. Locked up.

I literally had a locker next to his still couldn't say anything to him lovely guy just didn't even want to disappoint him with if i didn't have anything good to say so right um even like in your mind he's like that's your voice well so i was wearing a cb4 you know the movie the hat cb4 and he goes cb4 that's a nice hat like i think he thought it meant charles barkley and then the number four for when he played for the rockets and it's like why would anyone have a hat like that no this is cell block four yeah yeah um all right number five would be shoot um i'm gonna say oh man and while you're thinking on that i'll just uh take a step back

because this is very fast and uh let the listeners know clive frazier in game seven uh the willis reed game 36 points 19 assists seven boards five steals to score 36 and have 19 assists yeah your team wouldn't have scored if you weren't there yeah um okay my final one would be uh jeremy lynn okay shout out jeremy lynn yeah okay shout out jay lynn you need somebody from harvard like in the crew like just in case you know somebody with that that ivy league background to make the night balance out. Just like a Tina Fey writer's room. Oh man, that made me so mad. Uh,

in bossy pants where she's like, you need to have somebody who went to Harvard. I'm sorry. Those are the rules. Yeah. True. You want to be able to run into the person in the hallway at 2 AM.

So they got to go to Harvard. Like, right. Um, all right you get to add one rule to the nba and it can be either serious or fun my new one you have to play one quarter every month in timberlands but you get to choose what quarter it is so you could like the other team puts on timberland so you choose to like match it up so you don't like have a disadvantage or you could wait and then just blow them out in that quarter okay so what are you proposing uh breaking ankles or crossing somebody up making them fall is a point oh yeah so if you put somebody

on skates right yeah but you have to you have to make the basket after oh got it so like if you finish at the rim that's a three-pointer, basically. Because you left somebody for dead on the parquet. Okay, I like that. Are they going to a penalty box of some sort? Yeah, they'd be embarrassed. Oh, yeah. I feel like you've got to do a lap around the arena.

Yeah. And in that time, you have to play a man down for how long it takes for them to run around the arena. So you're playing a man down off the strength of it. Just an amazing crossover. I like that. I would say I like Jack's rule,

but I feel like it would be, it's better. Like if every, like in the game, the team can deploy the Tim's quarter on the opposition when they deem it. Like, so it's strategic. They're like, and they may activate the Tim's quarter on them. We they deem it like so it's strategic they're like and they may activate the Tim's quarter on them

we don't know just to continue maybe one quarter per playoffs and like per playoff series and you get to use it on the other team so yeah I like that but Tim's you know good ankle support so nobody's gonna get hurt could you

you already know that person who gets the and one crossover, like juke move bonus in the Tims is probably going to do a terrible injury to their ankle. But look, I like that. Next question. You can travel back in time and attend any single NBA All-Star game from history. Which would you choose?

And I'll give you some options. And by I, I mean Jabari, who has done some very good research, putting together some of the best. 1997, which had the NBA's top 50 player ceremony at halftime. Would you choose 2003, Jordan's farewell game? 1992, featuring a retired Magicson leading the west to a victory 2009 the kobe verse shack bury the hatchet or 2001 where alan iverson leads a 21 point east comeback in the final nine minutes 97 97 was i was before. I mean, the other ones I all remember so vividly.

Like, I don't need to be there. But like, 97, I remember from re-watching clips and stuff. But like, to be there, to like, erase my mind of Kobe. You know, Kobe, it was like the Kobe-MJ matchup too. And then, of course, yeah, the 50 greatest players, which we talk about this on the podcast. Why am I blanking on this? It's called running the break. Running the break.

The leather jackets that they wore. That was, to me, maybe one of the best All-Star games of all time. And I was too young to give and go, I guess. No, not too young to go, but I'd love to go to that. I was at the 2001 all-star game. It was in D.C. when I was

in college. No, that wasn't the Mariah Carey jersey dress. No, unfortunately it was Jessica Simpson singing the national anthem. And it was a little pitchy for me. Some are more of a winner than others. I saw Jessica Simpson open for 98 Degrees at a minor league baseball stadium before she was famous.

Wow. Okay. There's some great entertainment that happens at minor league baseball stadiums. Oh, yeah. We saw Corey Feldman's uh musical performance i think it was actually after a game it was after yeah it was it was it was a little dire but you know it was what it was and just to keep the rapid fire pace going i just shout out to that 97 year because i remember i bought the album that came out for the 50th anniversary

remember that one had like a lead like the case was like leather boundish and that's when i learned like old school songs like shotgun it's like yeah that was on that album and i remember so vividly like jr walker i love that song the nba at 50 album yo slam, slam dunk with Kool and the Gang. This was basketball by Curtis Blow. Yep. Basketball is my favorite sport. Oh, it was David Sanborn. That was the version of Shotgun that was on. Oh, okay.

Wow. And Brian McKnight, sign, seal, deliver. I'm yours. Okay, see? CJ Toledano, you have made it through the lightning round with your lightning fast reflexes. Thank you. it through the lightning round with your lightning fast reflexes um thank you i'm sorry i spent so much time in each of those rapid fire questions but hey you know what but thank you for apologizing and you at least you are acknowledging that it was supposed to be rapid fire and maybe and it

was your fault that it was slow it was my fault thank you not out But you guys accommodated me because you're a great host. That's right. CJ, where can people go to listen to your show and find you and follow you? One of the best NBA followers on Twitter for sure. I appreciate that. Wherever you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, if you go to my Instagram

or my co-host Alex Wong, again, he's a really good follow. He's Stephen LeBron on Twitter. Great book that he wrote called Cover Story about all the most iconic basketball covers. But if you look at on our channels, you'll see a link to running the break. Amazing. Yeah. All right. Miles, where can people find you?

Oh, you know where to find me, at milesofgray. That's gray with an A. And, you know, obviously check out our Jack and I's other podcast, The Daily Zeitgeist. First time we may have actually plugged that on this show. Yeah. We have another podcast. Yeah, it turns out.

All right. And you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. That is going to do it for another episode in the books. Talking about NBA history. We did it. You guys. We did it. That's been an episode of Miles and Jack got mad boosties.

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