The Daily Zeitgeist - Saturday Zeit Fever 3/13: Oscars, Silicon Valley Bank, Buffalo Wild Wings

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

In this edition of Saturday Zeit Fever, Jack and writer JM McNab discuss notable moments from the 2023 Oscars, the Silicon Valley Bank collapse, and the Buffalo Wild Wings lawsuit!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.

Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have

changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pardenti

and I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation,

then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of Saturday's Zeit Fever. I am Jack, and that short show title is courtesy of Johnny Davis. Short show title Spice. SST Spice, as he is affectionately known. And I'm thrilled to be joined by our writer, Mr. J.M. McNabb! Hello, thanks for having me. Oh, thank you for being here, J.M. What a time. The Oscars happened last night. We're all still, you know, just getting over the, the mayhem, you know,

the, the snubs, the flubs. Uh, we'll talk tomorrow about the in memoriam section, leaving, leaving out some big names. Um,

the big viral moment didn't even happen during the ceremony. It happened on the red carpet. I did catch it live it did cause me to turn to my wife and exchange a look of concern what just happened why is this person behaving thusly and i am talking of course about hugh grant who was uh I think the technical term is an asshole on the red carpet. So Ashley Graham was working the red carpet, interviewed Hugh Grant, and it was just one of those awkward, you kind of get the sense that she was told two minutes before that that's who she was interviewing. These are chaotic events where you're just trying to grab

anyone famous who's walking by. She chose Hugh Grant. And to quote the old guy at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, she chose unwisely. It did not go well. So he described the event as a vanity fair. She thought he was referring to the vanity fair after party, which is totally a totally acceptable misunderstanding since that is there at the Oscars and that is the main after party. And it's the thing that people are talking about. Oh, yeah, for sure.

But he took that as an opportunity. She was like, oh, yeah, the Vanity Fair after party. Like, great time. Are you looking forward to that type thing? And he took that as an opportunity to be like, oh, I'm dealing with a moron. And she asked what he was wearing. And he said, my suit. Which is like, that is a question you know you are going to be asked on the red carpet.

So after that point, all bets are off. You know, it's funny to give funny answers. bets are off. It's funny to give funny answers. I remember, I think it was Bobcat Goldthwait went with Robin Williams to an award show once, and I remember someone asking him who he was wearing, and he said Sears.

That's funny. My suit is a fine answer, but he was giving nothing. He was like, I don't know my tailor's name. It wasn't quite Billy Bob Thornton on that morning zoo talk interview where he's mad at the person interviewing the whole time for acknowledging

that he's an actor, but it was bordering on the dark matter level energy that Billy Bob Thornton gave off. It was just like, I have completely left my body and now you, you will be forced to interview the husk of Hugh Grant. Um, so I will, I will say like, I agree with you. I think he was being a dick with the whole,

my suit thing. But then I think like she tried and you know, to be fair, like, like I said, she was given nothing. So she had to quickly pivot to a new question. And she chose a bad question.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is also, again, something I totally identify with. I have what my first job out of school was being a butler at the Soho house in New York city when it had just opened up and they didn't know what they were doing first i was pool boy then i worked my way up to butler which is basically a britishy way of saying maitre d um or not maitre d uh what's the what's the person who works at the front desk and like helps you with your bags and occasional murderer bellhop occasional murderer um and i had to make conversation with hugh grant and he what really yeah yeah one time

i helped him to his room with his bags and he has one mode which is charmingly befuddled and i'm glad that i was not on national television having to be like yeah so uh new york huh the crazy weather i had to actually hold an umbrella over his head uh that a lot was made by his team of uh you know protecting him from the paparazzi uh which i think was more of a problem for him at that time but he probably like tested you with some uh old literary reference that you got so he's like okay i'm gonna be nice to you i'll i'll allow it um but anyways she then said like oh it must have been fun to work on glass onion which you were on um he well she also she was like oh i love glass onion it was so much fun

it must have been so much fun to make like right but if you'd seen it you'd know he wasn't in it hardly he's barely in and so and that was what he told her well i'm barely in it i'm in it about three seconds and she was like all right well and you can see the earwig in her ear being like stretch, stretch, stretch. And she's like, uh, anything else? So what else? Like, I mean, yeah, he could have made a joke of it. He could have been like, well, everyone else was having fun. I opened a door, you know, something like that. Yeah. You don't need to openly question whether she's seen the movie. So anyways, and then he proceeded to like on in the actual award ceremony,

compare his face to a scrotum, which is lovably self-effacing. I just think just stick with the self-effacing even when you're not on stage. Maybe just like, I get it. it like the the red carpet thing is not great it's not my cultural like the the thing that i am excited about but it just felt like i don't know it's another human being up there with you yeah it's like she's just doing her job also like yeah i didn't think he was i mean he was just kind of a dick about it. He didn't have to be.

But on the other hand, you agreed to be a presenter at the Oscars. You agreed to walk the red carpet. There are certain hoops you just kind of agree to jump through if that's the gig. And one of them is making shitty, dumb, small talk and interviews. Absolutely.

Other moments that leapt out from the 95th i believe academy awards uh lady gaga had this like wildly emotional performance of the top gun song in her preamble she said i wrote the song with my friend blood pop in my basement. I thought she said blow pop. And I was reeling from that point forward and didn't take much in, but people seemed to be very taken with her performance. And I don't know, not necessarily taken, but just like the seriousness,

the gravity, the preamble where she said, it's deeply personal to me. We need a lot of love to walk through this life and we all need a hero. Sometimes there's heroes all around, the preamble where she said, it's deeply personal to me. We need a lot of love to walk through this life and we all need a hero. Sometimes there's heroes all around us in unassuming places, but you might find that you can be your own hero, even if you feel broken inside. And then here's the song from Top Gun.

But yeah, it's like she kept talking about how personal the song was. Like I saw Top Gun. I just assumed the song was about Tom. Like they came to me. We're like, we need a new power ballad about Tom Cruise's dick for the 21st century. Yes.

Can you write something? That's what I assumed. But, uh, according to her, this was, this was, she made it into art.

You know, she came fully made up, like knew the assignment for the red carpet looked amazing and all sorts of lady gaga on the red carpet what you would expect just you know amazing makeup and dress and uh one photographer was so blown away by her beauty that he fell over and she even tried to like help him up um which was it was a nice little moment um and then it looked like he kind of like groped her did you see that oh no i did or certainly like i don't know if it was an accident or not but she certainly like looked offended like yeah the red carpet is an awkward place. Oh, yeah. It turns out. But yeah. And then she showed up on stage looking fully scrubbed of makeup in a t-shirt and ripped jeans.

And then appeared later on in the ceremony, I believe, back in makeup. And her dress was kind of an amazing magic trick that she pulled off. It was like a superhero. But instead of a superhero costume, she changed into like one of the Sonic Youth band members would wear. Right. Yeah. But knew the assignment,

had a very clear vision. I mean, she sounded great, obviously. Yeah, as always. The songs were actually some of the most exciting. Usually, you know, the songs are like songs no one cares about and it's a chore to get through, but we had Lady Gaga and Rihanna and David Byrne.

And it's Rihanna. It's not Rihanna. It's Rihanna, which I... No, no, you said it correctly, and I assumed that people were saying it incorrectly last night, but the pronunciation on that was something that I think I believe I was getting wrong all along. And now I know that it's Rihanna. I was getting wrong all along. And now I know that it's Rihanna. Brendan Fraser, one best actor, gave a extended metaphor whale-based,

like nautical-themed acceptance speech. But yeah, it just seemed overwhelmed by the moment. And I appreciated the effort. So he opened it by saying that only whales can swim at the depth of his co-star Hong Chow, and then ended the speech by thanking his children and his best first mate, uh, his partner, Jean, Jean Moore.

And then at the very end, he said, it's time for me to sham move out of here. Exactly. It was a strong commitment to the bit. Um, and then Jimmy Kimmel, I don't know.

Sure. That was my response to his overall performance. I like L Ron Hubba Hubba, uh, but that worked for me. But I mean, yeah, I'm,

I'm not a huge Jimmy Kimmel fan, but what, sorry. But I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm not a huge Jimmy Kimmel fan, but sorry, but I mean, I don't dislike him. He's just like, I mean, I think that's why they picked him. He's a guy.

Most people are like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Ben Stein's money guy. Okay,

sure. We, we know who that is. Um, I don't know. Yeah. Like some things he did really annoyed me. Some things he did, I thought were funny.

He was mostly, I guess, a steady hand. Yeah. Keeping things moving, which is what they wanted. Yeah. Knew the assignment, I would say also for him. Yeah. It's a corporate gig, you know, like comedians do corporate gigs and they're like we want you to understand that you are telling jokes to a bunch of c-suite bank of america employees and uh just do do that and don't

offend and i feel i feel like he's the peak corporate gig comedian it feels like yeah yeah totally that's your man i think that's a good comparison i mean i thought the awards themselves like were pretty good but predictable like it seems like everything that happened was pretty much predicted by all the guild and right you know yeah it seems like kind of a straightforward yeah there weren't really any surprises but that being said like all the things not all the things but a lot of things i wanted to win one i i feel like i have to shout out sarah polly for winning for screenplay uh yeah as a canadian and torontonian we love her there you go and and like i said on last week's show like everything everywhere all at once

it was it was the movie of the year and definitely showed out at the oscars which was cool to see all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose

lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News

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Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really hear them voice. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on.

From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained?

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I was too busy focusing on what everybody was going to wear for the Oscars. Yeah. I skimmed this article for Hugh Grant's name and it didn't appear once. So between noon Eastern time on Friday up until six on Sunday, people were wondering if the government was going to bail out this bank, Silicon Valley Bank, if the government was going to bail out this bank, Silicon Valley Bank, that there was a run on the bank. It failed. It was taken over by the government. And people were wondering if the people whose money was uninsured being held by the bank were going to be made whole by the government. The government ultimately did what they do and bailed out the people who lost their money. I'm not an economist,

but this basically sounds like the plot of it's a wonderful life. Right. Am I wrong? Bunch of, well, I think the corporations and corporations and bankers, the villains getting paid back. Um,

the Biden administration is pushing back saying that the bailout will not be paid for by taxpayers but ultimately i don't know how does that work i don't know i'm paying for it with my own money i'm serious man i'm serious i'm using that money i made appearing in carmen san diego in 1996 did he appear in carmen san diego yeah he had a cameo he probably didn't get paid and i don't think i'm sure pbs didn't pay that much but yeah i just wanted to drop that reference in because he he was he was like they call him up for help looking for like one of those uh villains who steals monuments wasn't that what always happened yeah see again now i've steered this story about complicated economic problems into a discussion of who of uh karmazin which is definitely much

closer to what i'm qualified to talk about than complicated economic matters but i'm just getting over covid and all my family members have covid and aren't sleeping and I'm trying to look after them. So I'm extra dumb. Yeah. Which brings you right to the perfect level to be on this show with me. A complete idiot. All right. The billionaire bailout debate has begun.

I think don't bail out the people who have all the money already with the money given to you by taxpayers. But what do I know? What I can speak about is the ongoing controversy around boneless chicken wings. Buffalo Wild Wings is being sued for using the phrase boneless chicken wings. And it's an ongoing controversy. I kind of didn't understand it, but you helped clarify it. And this takeout article helped clarify

that it's all about... That's what I'm qualified to help clarify. You really put things into perspective. And now I am outraged about this issue. The argument is that a place that sells chicken wings then selling a product called boneless chicken wings would lead you to believe that they are the chicken wings product with the bone remove right it is a different type of meat in the chicken wings then you would get in these chicken strips and so basically people are like just call

them saucy nugs or you know call them chicken wing sauce strips whatever the fuck but it is i can see how it's misleading i do greatly prefer chicken wing meat to boneless chicken wing aka chicken tender meat if this goes to trial with, with the jury, it's going to go all the way to the top Supreme court. Yeah. Yes. But I feel like their defense could be the descriptor of wild.

These aren't just regular wings. These are wild wings. It's like a wild card, you know, like this could be anything, right? No idea what you're going to get when you, when you idea what you're gonna get when you when you sign on to the wild when you walk through that door you're you're acknowledging that

might be a fried pickle in there it's we're wild um but yeah so the plaintiff claims the name boneless wings leads customers believe that the product is simply the meat of a deboned chicken wing rather than what they actually are, which is slices of chicken breast meat deep fried like wings. But he claims that this is causing him, caused him financial injury. of like $9.85 payouts from Buffalo Wild Wings to anybody who can prove that they've purchased boneless wings. I mean, how

far did he have to drive to get there? There's the gas. That's true. There's the parking. That's a very good point. Don't they usually throw in emotional distress? Well, it kind of seems like because there's that guy, the article also mentions that guy in 2020 who went viral for talking about this in a city council meeting. And how he was offered, like, was it a year's worth of chicken wings?

Right. Or something. He got some kind of dumb, like, like oh let's give this viral guy something in a speech that seemed like it was specifically written to go viral yeah it was like a joke and it was i remember this this popping up on the internet because it was like right smack in the middle of covid like it was schools just kind of reopened in 2020 it was still like nothing everything was had kind of ground to a halt and this guy was like i'm gonna use this opportunity to go to this like mostly empty city

council meeting and and do this like pre-written bit right about chicken wings right but it kind of seems like now this guy probably saw that and was like well if i do something similar maybe i'll get some some free chicken wings out of the deal. Yeah. The plaintiff also cites the fact that Papa John's calls its version chicken poppers instead of boneless chicken wings. Domino's calls its version specialty chicken. So it seems like there is some thought in the corporate, because boneless wings is definitely a better title, but it feels like

people are like they're they're gonna sue our pants off if we call them boneless wings it's misleading so i mean i'm just jealous of this guy i'm jealous of how much time this guy has that he's like i know doing all this like this otherwise this would just be like a thought like huh these these are more like nuggets and then you move on to anything else then you move on anything what's Hugh Grant been up to what what is Hugh Grant's take what is his position in all of this well JM such a pleasure having you as always where can people find you and follow you uh you can find me on twitter at JM McNabb again all right right. That is going to do it

for us this afternoon. We are back tomorrow morning with the whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourself. Get the vaccine. Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to y'all tomorrow. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history.

People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson.

We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer,

we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.