The Daily Zeitgeist - Scathing Christian Art Review, Jared And Ivanka’s Luxe Bubble 11.30.20

Episode Date: November 30, 2020

In episode 768, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Veronica Kwiatkowski to discuss Trump's plans for the end of his term, Twitter's Fleets, Democrats classically being cowards, Christian art, where Ivanka and Jared will go, and more!FOOTNOTES: Trump Races to Weaken Environmental and Worker Protections, and Implement Other Last-Minute Policies, Before Jan. 20 The Trump administration is targeting homeless trans people in the middle of a pandemic Tracking the Trump Administration’s “Midnight Regulations” How Twitter’s Disappearing Fleets Could Be a Disinformation Disaster The Democrats’ Maddening Cowardice Is Carrying Over into the Biden Era “O CHRISTIAN ART, WHY CAN'T YOU BE GOOD?” Why Is Christian Art So Often Bad? What Happened to Christian Art? (Why Is CCM So Awful?) Why are Christian movies so painfully bad? In Protest of the Protestant Art Ethic As Their D.C. Days Dwindle, Ivanka and Jared Look for a New Beginning WATCH: Mr Twin Sister - Meet The Frownies Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 162, episode one of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it's Monday, November 30th, 2020. 50 some odd days until January 20th, 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Woke Up This Morning. My last name was O'Brien. That is courtesy of the Pod Yourself a Gun podcast. Now, that song is stuck in my head. I just did the Pod Yourself a Gun podcast with Matt Leith.

Is it out? I think it's out this week. We'll be out by the time that this episode that people are listening to right now drops. But very fortunate to do the Pine Barrens episode of Sopranos, my favorite episode, the only episode that I knew the title of, and it was a blast. People should check it out. Pod yourself a gun.

Hey, but who's that that I'm talking to? I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, and don't miss out on the savings on this Cyber Mungray. So much. You know what I mean? Or Cyber whatever the fuck is going on. I just thought of that right now. So shout out to myself.

Thank you. Thank you, Miles. You're welcome. Shout out to Consumer Capitalism creating this wonderful holiday for all of us to enjoy. It's so unsettling because you don't know. Look, I'm going to admit it. I like a deal. I'll be the first to admit it.

I like to see a good deal. I'm glad you're willing to admit that. I know. A lot of people don't know this about me. I love the savings. But when you start having Cyber Mondays and Black Fridays and all this other shit, I'm put in paralysis because I'm like well when's the when is the actual deal like what is happening yeah so i said fuck it i just bought a

bathrobe and i'm good uh miles before we uh introduce our guests let's tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about uh we're gonna look at uh the evil shit that trump is just ramming through on his way out we're going to talk about fleets uh we're going to talk about shook dems we're going to talk about contemporary christian art uh and why it's so bad all the time and i'm i'm using the words of christian websites to determine that it's bad they're like why is our art bad uh we'll talk about gerard and ivanka i don't know why i call her gerard wow gerard kushner i think that's what he should do to try and rebrand gerard kushner we're gonna talk about clipper the big red dog uh all of that

and plenty more but first we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious the talented veronica kwietkowski hello hey how are you i'm doing well yeah you you just shared some news with us yeah you guys i mean i'm doing well I do currently have COVID. This is a first for our... Can we get an air horn there? It's not a hoax. Yeah, it's not a hoax. We can verify now for anyone who has... We finally can. Family members who are like, it's not real, play this episode and be like,

this comedian has it. So what now, mom or dad or uncle or aunt or whomever you're having an argument with? Oh, man. you are at a crowded thanksgiving uh table right now i noticed uh you're yeah there's my friends surrounded by relatives yeah yeah and there's a bunch of old people in my living room being very quiet like i'm recording a podcast only plastic utensils and paper plates so it doesn't make sounds

uh but you're doing okay physically like i know it's uh it's tough to be to be ill so yes i am okay uh i'm thankfully that i have very thankful that i have a very mild case i think i have a little bit of covid brain so hopefully i like put sentences together but yeah kind of just like tired and i can't smell um or taste anything and then it's it's weird because it's i it's very much in my sinuses only which i didn't know was necessarily yeah it's so different for people yeah it's so different but the taste and smell thing really seems to be like consistent like yeah and it's it's gnarly like it's weird yeah okay now that you're you can indulge all my curiosity i mean i have a few of my friends also uh had covid and said the same thing but are are we talking, you're full blown, your taste buds are just on mute?

Nothing. Like I can eat an onion right now and it's not like just nothing. I drank this morning, I drank orange juice after brushing my teeth. Didn't even notice. Didn't even notice. You're just doing all the things that taste bad to just be like, I can do anything. Exactly. Eating cigarettes for no reason.

I had a dark chocolate bar and then a bunch of passion fruit juice. I like that. Wait, is that a bad combo? No, I'm just saying like whenever I have chocolate and then I ever want to sip something after, if it's not like water, it's always a fucking mess. Yeah, that's true. It's like a soda. Like, no.

Juice? No. I mean, although passion fruit and chocolate do go together very well it's just something about when you have like sweet dairy flavor in your mouth and then the citric acid i don't know what it is yeah it's not it what have you been eating to somewhat is there like get over the monotony of it all oh man i mean i can i can sense like spices so i ordered some indian food last night and i got like extra hot i was just like i need to feel something um it's like spicy foods like i've been having a lot of loaded baked potato soup for like the i guess the texture um yeah i've it's just so funny i'm realizing like how much of what i eat is for pure pleasure

and like not to fuel my body and like the other day i noticed I had like some brie cheese and I was like, Oh, maybe I'll make cheese and crackers. And I was like, what's the point, bitch? I'm going to do anything for you. It's not going to taste like anything.

So yeah. Right. Like, I think the default is to assume that you would just eat healthy because you can't taste anything. But like the, like the guy from Ben and Jerry's, like the,

he came up with the idea of like putting just chocolate and all sorts of like caramel and all that stuff into ice cream because he didn't have a sense of taste. So it's like, there's something. Yeah. He did. He,

what? Yeah. One of either Ben or Jerry does not have a sense of taste. And so that's why clearly based on the texture is a bigger, yeah. But texture is a bigger yeah but texture is a big like that that's why they added all that stuff was so that they can get some texture and shout out to either of you sir all right veronica let's get to something from your search history uh that's revealing about who you are what you're up to well i think I'm going to have for you is probably related to my COVID.

But I Googled the other day. I was like, can you have NyQuil every night for two weeks straight? I was wondering. Oh, man. I can attest to the fact that you can do it for two years straight. Really? Okay. Everything I was reading said that it was like, watch out.

You could get addicted. I'm like, yeah, but. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that does happen. Well, yeah. Wait, what are we talking about you can do anything you know yeah yeah uh you having trouble sleeping i mean a little bit yeah that's the reason you make coolness like nah man i do it during the day i'm on it right now yeah fuck that i call it covid brain but you know i'm just

off that lean uh okay i've been searching that and then i've also been looking up just literally every member of the royal family because I just started watching The Crown. So I'm like, wait, who's this person? And then I keep getting mad that it's like the show is getting spoiled for me. And then I'm like, wait, duh, this is because this is real. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Do you ever try?

I remember I've done that in other movies where like, you know, there's like a full blown Wikipedia article about the thing a movie or show is about. I'll blur my eyes to try and be like, don't want to know. Oh, God, I think I see death and life dates for that person. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Just click. I don't know.

I've done the same thing when really I should just be like, it's history. It's right. I'm like, I actually should have known this already, and I didn't. Well, what are you going to do? Are you liking the show? I am liking it.

It's really fun. It's just British people being British. It's a good watch. It's interesting to see. There was a whole episode about the fog of 1954. I'm getting the date wrong, probably, which I didn't know anything about, so I'm learning. Me either. I won't look at the Wikipedia page about it because I don't want spoilers.

Exactly. It's a good show. I recommend, recommend for sure that was a year-long fog it was uh for four weeks in i think like december and yeah this just fog smog thing came into london and it had something to do and this shows how much i was not really paying attention during the show but had something to do with like the coal production plants that were like in the city that just weren't being regulated properly and a bunch of people died like from not only like lung issues but also just like you couldn't see when you were crossing the street so right spoil but someone does get hit by a car in the episode um i'm sorry i'm sorry but yeah it was gnarly i had no idea that that was a thing and it's kind of weird too because in the episode everyone's like wearing masks and on like an iron long and I was like oh man this is too soon yeah right the um yeah that that's actually something that they say happens with uh daylight savings time

bringing it back to my pet subject uh but they uh when it gets dark earlier like all the uh pedestrians getting hit by cars, like shoots up. So visibility guys, don't underestimate it as a health hazard. And it is, it's the darkest a daylight savings period has ever been. I think according to my weird conspiracy.

Veronica, weigh in on this. What do you think since daylight savings came in? Has it felt more aggressive? Yes. I fucking hate it. And it's like, at the end of the day all i

want to do is go for a walk and now i'm like well it's dark outside and is that safe i don't know it's just it's like we're just taking l after l could we at least keep the sunlight i really i really hate it thank you uh what is something you think is overrated okay the bachelor hear me out hear me out well i like that show i just feel like there are so many better dating reality shows that just get overshadowed and i just don't think the bachelor is the best one i'm sorry okay give us a better one married at first sight 90 day fiance love is blind love island i think the list goes on exactly you get it yes i mean the bachelor i just got into the bachelor uh because super producer anna hosnier does will you accept this rose with arden marine and i went on but like i'd never seen it and they're like that's great watch like

one of these goat like when they were doing season-long recap episodes and i got to see like oh yeah when you start watching it there is this fun to it because it's just such a mess but that I feel like The Bachelor isn't really like a reality like dating or like reality romance show it's a game show that's just a mess and is full of drama so like you like the real dynamics of relationships I don't think are as present like the shows you're talking about yeah the married at first sights in the 90 days because people know how to game the bachelor slash bachelorette or like they know what the secrets can be when you go far in the show maybe i yeah then maybe i need to like reframe the way i look at it and think of it more as like a game show because i guess like i am just like so into those other like dating shows and then i feel like the bachelor like it almost like cheapens it

because i mean they're all fucking fake and scripted i get that but in the bachelor like they're not really there for love they just want to be right insta famous and right and then you're just like okay who's gonna be the best at tricking each other like that's when i started getting the okay fun out of that but yeah married at first sight is fun i i love 90 day fiance but i'm also recapping married at first sight on like on days when there isn't 90 Day to talk about. And there is something to watching people who don't know anything about each other be like, all right, y'all are married. And that has more satisfying reality elements of navigating a relationship.

What is the premise there? Why are they being married before? Because they are ready for love. That's the show? So they're ready for love the show so they're ready for love is there like a matchmaking process that plays into it okay is there a master cal dr pepper schwartz okay love dr pepper schwartz um yeah they just basically take these people they all have the same story like you know it's all some version of you know i just i can't i can't figure it out so

i just i guess i'll just leave it up to these experts and try this experiment out and some what's fun about that show is sometimes like they really nail it and you're like oh my god this is a fucking couple and they they so just saw it for what it was and match these people up other times you think it's gonna work and you're like this these people were probably both lying when they were talking to the matchmakers. Yeah, because then they come into it and reveal all these other things. You're like, oh, fuck. No. Oh, no.

This is not going to work. So there's a scientific process? Is it like the – what's that dating app that swears that they have – eHarmony or whatever? Yeah. That's contentious. There's two – I remember I talked – it's a guy from UCLA who's a sociologist and his colleague at UCLA talks shit about him who's like I don't think that works and he's like and I told him yeah like it's a little contentious in

that UCLA department because one of like they're like you shouldn't have done that like you shouldn't tell people you figured it out because we know as people who study this it's not like cut and dry science like that right but is he involved in married at first sight or no no no they're just there's a guy named dr pepper who's like you a lady dr pepper schwartz okay and cal and then like this other sex therapist who's new because one of the last ones like you know like ran away with a former contestant she did oh word yeah one of the therapists yeah like there's that new like yeah season nine they they switched up because the previous one who was like the counselor therapist like she was she was like like counseling a couple from the show that was together and she's like being like yeah it seems

like this isn't working out like oh like there's a lot of mistreatment, miscommunication issues. And then she ended up with the dude. Wait, which dude? But they were a fucked couple anyway. Like it wasn't like, she wasn't doing anything. Like they're legitimately a good couple now and they're still together. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I mean, that would be tough if you were like a relationship expert and like that could be a really good rom-com where they're putting the people through the paces of like whatever their method is and then they realize that that person is actually the perfect match for them oh my god i mean isn't that that has to be isn't that who that's got to be a movie right did that ever happen in like hitch or like a movie like that like there's because there are match i feel like that's a good matchmaking right that's how will smith ends up with kevin james at the end of it right yes yes yes the

extended release cut yeah what is something you think is underrated veronica i gotta go with sense of taste i did not realize how nice it is to be able to taste your food i'm not over it i'm like yeah yeah it's really nice you guys enjoy that meal you're having today and do they have is there like an eta of when it arrives back in your mouth a lot of people like i've heard anecdotally and on it online that it's like you know some people say like a week or two so i have in my calendar for the two-week mark to start freaking out um but for now i'm just gonna you know try not to get too spooked. Because then I've heard some cases where they haven't had it for months. And I'm like, honey, that will not be good.

Yeah. But yeah, I'll hold out for a couple more weeks. But yeah, it's just real weird. And also not having a sense of smell. Like I guess, you know, they go hand in hand. But even this morning, my girlfriend was like, hey, no offense, but have you put on deodorant today? And I was like, no, like what? And she's like, well, like, fuck you. I was like, oh, no offense, but have you put on deodorant today? And I was like, no, like what?

And she's like, well, can you? I was like, oh yeah, sure, sorry. I guess I smell, but yeah. I mean, I already, that problem already exists for some of us where we think our own stenches. Completely smell blind to nobody. Yeah, fair.

I'm like, what? I know it's there. I'm just like damn that smells good yeah her majesty's like yo what are you doing fool like my shoulder stinks because you were spooning me with no shirt on and i was like oh for real like i was like oh yeah yeah yeah my bad my bad but um the oh so i know obviously it's very disorienting to have one of your senses just sort of completely dulled slash taken away. I'll have to ask, has it heightened any of your other senses?

Not that I've noticed. Okay. But that might just be because I have general brain fog right now. So I'm like, what year is it? Right. Yeah. It has not helped your sense of normal. Thank you again for coming on the show.

Yeah, I know. I'm like, I'm fine. Don't come on, please. Okay. I don't want to be able to think like, God damn, they forced her on even when she Yeah, I know. I'm like, don't come on, please. Okay, yeah. I just wanted, I don't want people to think like,

God damn, like they forced her on like even when she had COVID. No, I'm truly fine. It's just, yeah, I think I'm on the downhill as well. I think that I have like

five more days until I'm technically free. We'll check back in. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And we are recording this in the same room. Yes.

Very small room. A bouquet of dried herbs to celebrate so you can just waft it into your face yeah well let's talk real quickly about the things that donald trump is trying to uh get done before he leaves office uh you you already mentioned uh one of the dangers deregulation can pose, and that is that a deadly fog will settle over the biggest city in the world for four weeks and just start suffocating people. But it's one of those things where he's just killing all these things that we take for granted.

Like, for instance, a regulation around how fast chicken factories process chickens. Like, as they're going across a conveyor belt, they're like, no, we can, like, up that speed past the limit that we've held the chicken industry to for years. And people have pointed out that when they did a study on how this would affect things all of a sudden like all the dirty tainted chicken that used to be cleared out of the supply line like was no longer getting cleared out they were like

huh there's 30 percent less uh like problematic chicken getting cleared to the side. And I'm guessing it's not because the chicken suddenly no longer had salmonella all over it. Wow. Yeah, that's one of the things to just keep in mind is that Donald Trump is trying to poison you. Another proposal being pushed through. And we should stop calling it deregulation because that just sounds, I don't know. They've made it so that that's no longer as evil as it sounds.

We should just call it something else. Yeah, it's called making it unsafe as fuck for people. Right, just poisoning, just active poisoning for profit. It's called only benefits the business owner yeah well wouldn't you think that like the cost of eventually having to i'm assuming recall all that and pay out all those lawsuits from everyone that's going to die from this cost them more or do they just not give a shit no they don't they actually do those calculations oh they do okay yeah like there's uh there's a book i think it's called the corporation that like

is about how corporations you know because in america corporations can be seen as like legal legally they are people and so it's like so if these corporations were people how like what kind of people would they be and over and over again it's that they are uh somewhere between sociopaths and psychopaths because they will do the calculation of like okay this is gonna kill 300 people like if we don't put this safety feature into the car or if we uh you know don't flag the fact that the safety feature has stopped working so it's gonna kill 300 people but on average their class action lawsuits are going to cost us x amount of money and therefore we're gonna it's still profitable to do yeah still profitable overall and that's what they care about um but i'm gonna move to

another planet i know yeah i'll go we're another country that doesn't have just uncontrolled unregulated capitalism uh Another proposal being pushed through is bringing back firing squads for federal executions. They're just executing people on the way out. They're pushing through all these federal executions that were backlogged to try and make sure they kill as many people as they can before they leave office.

But yeah, capital punishment already. make sure they kill as many people as they can uh before they leave office but yeah you know capital punishment already inhumane torturous uh should be banned but they're like nah let's move it in the opposite direction and take it as regressive as we possibly can yeah oh i'm surprised they're not doing like hangings and shit stone yeah what the fuck right yeah because it seems so it's just so clear right like he's on it's clear that the president has accepted that the shit's over uh so now it's like let me let me just burn the fucking thing down as much as possible on the way yeah because that's all it is it's all intentional to be like just so then biden has to step into a burning building and then trump can be like oh my god did you see what he

did he set the house on fire. Can you believe it? Look at all the chicken and blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh, my God. This is it's like it's like a fucking script we see constantly. Yeah. I mean, and this is all domestic stuff. There's all sorts of rumors of what's going to happen internationally happening right now that we're recording this in the past.

So we don't know if there has been an invasion or an attack on Iran, but that's something that's being rumored internationally. But back stateside, the EPA is on the cusp of cementing rules to lock in soot levels for at least five years, despite the objections of something called scientific experts. I'm sorry, what? Can you explain that? I don't quite understand. I don't know. It sounds like some hogwash to me. But yeah, they're just going to try and make it

as difficult as possible to regulate the environment at a time when that is the worst thing that you could possibly do for the human race. Oof. I mean, people have talked, there was the therapist who diagnosed him as being a sociopath. And one of the things she pointed to

was that he really seems to revel in seeing like inflicting suffering on people like that seems to actually be something that drives him. It's not this isn't things that are happening by accident. These are things that are happening because he likes to see people suffer. Is that Bandy Lee? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think he probably also gets off on knowing that like this is what will be in the history books you know like he's like i'll be

remembered for all of this and he likes yeah he's fucking crazy yeah or isn't that in that way where it's like he yeah no matter what infamy or you know love or whatever it's like it doesn't even register the difference. It's like, no, my name is coming out of people's mouths. I win. No matter what it is. All publicity is good publicity, even if it's going down in history as a fucking monster. But it's so weird.

But then he's so thin-skinned about all this other shit. It's such a contradictory, fucked-up person. We're just waiting to be like don't fuck this up for the whole earth because we've somehow allowed like one person to you know if they want to completely fuck up the whole earth like if you want to be like fuck it you know just just have it rain nukes i don't give a fuck yeah i don't want to go to jail like nobody's gonna go like who knows you know it's just really alarming in case there is any doubt that these policies are sprouting directly from trump's brain the department of energy is racing to loosen the efficiency standards

for showers and washing machines which uh is like a thing he specifically was saying. That's like one of his bits from rallies about, do you ever get under a shower and no water comes out? And me, I want that hair to be so beautiful. That's a direct quote from one of his rallies. And no water comes out. I don't think that's a department of energy efficiency standard if you turn on your shower and no water comes out. I don't think that's a department of energy efficiency standard if you turn on your shower and no water comes out. I think my man

just doesn't know how to use a shower. I mean, I wouldn't put it past him. It's like shower on, damage shower. That's a lamp. I mean, are we going to hear something about windows? Because that was another thing he was loving to talk about during the campaign was about how tiny the windows are going to be if if socialism takes over and they're

yeah these tiny windows like are there now is there a new a gigantic standard for windows i he hasn't been able to force that one through ah damn uh he will make it so that our washing machines and our showers lead to higher consumption and waste. So shout out to the Trump administration. I wonder how that's going to work, right? Because I get you can do that. But when a business has been so used to making a product one way, are they going to be like, oh, thank God we can start making these less efficient machines? Just specifically in this washing machine shower instance. Like, are they really, are they dying for this thing to be changed?

Because I have a feeling that that begins to be like, oh, great. We can now using this cheaper stuff or whatever. I don't know. I'm just curious if, you know, because I don't think people are going to be clamoring that they're. I don't know what the consumer side of it is. are going to be clamoring that they're I don't know what the consumer side of it is. I guess the only thing is that they're probably saying it's cheaper for us to make them super wasteful and then we can make money and charge the same amount. And Trump just needs to tweet, you know, low water pressure will make you gay and a damn

liberal. And then everyone will be like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Everyone goes out to like their main like like water line to the city, and they're just fucking taking their regulator off. They're like, no, I need this shit coming out. Like, fucking who knows what. Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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already a cesspit when it comes to this kind of nonsense um and a few like you know interested cyber security people journalists were tinkering around and they were saying like they were able to do shit like you know putting banned banned URLs or videos and things that are normally if you put on them on main or on the timeline on regular Twitter, that shit would get fucking just be like flagged, gone, whatever. And so but on fleets, they were like, I was able to do this shit undisturbed. The shit was up for 24 hours. It's gone. And that's great if that's what your aim is. And they're sort of pointing to the fact that if your whole thing is about misinformation these fleets are like really really really hard to fucking deal with uh because normally you know a lot of the people who are

doing debunking on twitter like it's easy to go through someone's tweets their texts they're right there i can well i can fucking you know screen grab whatever and debunk it from there this shit it's gone after 24 hours so i don't like they don't know people don't know where the conversation is at on like accounts that are spreading misinformation and the other thing is it allows like followers of the account to just iterate on top of it and amplify it like they would a retweet not that that's a feature of it but that behavior is more seen on twitter than it is on instagram so they're saying like bringing this kind of thing to the twitter twitter sphere is just causing it's they see the potential

because right now i think people are just kind of like tinkering around with it but just in the same way that we saw how like closed facebook groups and like ig stories were getting people all kinds of hyped up in the pacific northwest during the uprisings if you remember because they were like antifa is coming to burn our fucking village down and people were like you know pulling up with ars and shit because of this you know bullshit they heard on facebook doing like checks checkpoints with uh where they were checking our uh cars for uh for Antifa with guns, like pointed at people. Yeah. And so they're saying now with this, you're looking at the same issue coming been weaponized in politics, like very specifically is what this guy's book is about.

He was saying that they had been testing this in March in Brazil, like on Brazilian Twitter at first. And he was now just pointing out about Twitter, quote, so much of their system in actuality relies not on their own AI and content moderators but on fellow users and researchers to flag violators with fleets researchers won't be able to see and track as much so they're saying like the fleets could be the new you know playground for all this stuff why like what is the idea behind this because they're already having to more closely regulate like the shit that people are posting on their platform why would they think that it's a good idea to create a lane where there's less accountability well because they're not looking at it like that you know they're looking at it as like this is a feature we need to introduce to get more engagement

you know it's not right it's always after the fact because now you know there it's you're now just creating it like you're saying another lane for people to put extremist content up at a rate that's worse than on twitter when at least that's out in the open you can search on twitter certain shit and it'll bring you the tweets fleets is completely it's like you got to know where to go now um and that's and i think that's the biggest concern in terms of misinformation do you guys have fleets do you have access to fleets everyone does i do that's interesting i you know i hadn't even like thought about this implication of it i was just like oh is this like another place where like

get to it photos of our tits like what's going on and then that was i feel like also around when instagram did that update which makes it like total trash now so i just was like oh they're trying to compete with instagram but this is horrifying and makes me not want to use it yeah it's and i think who it's a different audience again too like instagram you know you can post something personal and like people aren't suddenly people aren't jumping in. You'll be like, what the fuck is that? Twitter is different. If people come across your fleets or something, it's not the same audience as your Instagram or people who don't know your account.

All kinds of interactions can occur there. I don't see anyone using it that interestingly because I's just the i think the conversation started off as like okay twitter nice try like you're not instagram or fucking snapchat anymore but that's why now i think cyber security people are like i know the first take on this was like ha ha ha but they're like we also really need to keep an eye on this because it's like you know if you've ever played the super nintendo game f zero there are like little strips that will launch your car even faster it's like what this does for misinformation because it's just like accelerating it there's no accountability there's no guardrails so they're saying is there even a way to flag a fleet i'm sure there is yeah

probably maybe screen cap it yeah yeah but i think in I think in terms of, yeah, it's a completely different process. And the normal journalists and other misinformation sort of debunker people who are kind of out there getting ahead of stuff are like, dude, I don't know how to find people's fleets. Especially if there's these closed groups or people know it has some weird esoteric handle, but they just check the fleets, what's going on there? So, yeah, it's evolving well uh whenever they roll that out to everybody that's gonna be really dangerous very worried for yeah you wouldn't even notice it because it it's so even if you opened your app now like it i forget yeah i use twitter every day and i don't even didn't even notice really like you don't have those like circles at the top crunches like instagram oh polyvay i don't think i do yeah yeah um yeah polyvay's on there yeah check out her feet i don't know what she's fleeting

oh no she's she's saying to stop this deal oh boy have you guys used it in a way that like you found useful or have you used it at all I can I barely use stories usefully yeah I've put up like just like when I've tweeted something I've then put it to my fleet and really all it's gotten me is just creepy guys

being like can I buy a photo of your feet and I'm like you can yes but I didn't know this was you know your way in you can but say with your I didn't know this was your way in. You can, but say with your chest. Put it on Twitter, not on Facebook. At me, you coward. I am curious how long it will last outside of disinformation spreading

because it seems like most people, at least in my circle, are kind of like, okay, that's cool for a day. Yeah, and those are the tools that other people end up really loving. Just like Facebook, people, younger people are like, all right, I'm kind of sick of seeing what my old classmates are up to. And then other people are like, no, but it's the best place to just talk unchained shit about anything.

It's the best place to find out about the steel. Oh, yeah. about anything. It's the best place to find out about the steel. I was just reading a thing about the CIA, like how the CIA helped the Jakarta take over where in Indonesia they were just killing anybody who

had non-super right-wing beliefs. One of the things they did was just make it possible for the military like dictatorship to communicate with each other like across big swaths of like that's such an important thing to like have immediate communication and like that's basically how they aided in the overthrow so like the fact that now everyone has that and it's completely uh you know disposable and goes away after a second like i don't know yeah it just underlines again what democrats need to do if they're willing to actually you know do something that's a good for the country is to fucking start kicking these social media platforms in the fucking teeth

yeah and being like yo you need to clean this shit the fuck up like it's not yeah if we really need to get a hold of someone real quickly like we have ways to do that and like twitter is useful to a point but they need to figure out what that point is and then really you know handle this this this shit um well speaking of democrats what where where are are they like what are they doing other i mean i know biden is like announcing a bunch of uh like a dream team of of obama officials for his cabinet but what uh what and i say that not seriously i don't think it's a dream team but um what what is the rest of the democratic party up i don't know as the president like continues to have i mean let's just walk over

to the rayburn building on capitol hill and knock on just the democratic leadership boards and let's see hold on what do we hear huh oh that's not good oh god they God. They're shook. They're shook ones over there on the Democratic side of the hill. I don't know what to say about this, y'all. I had to just talk about this because I can't handle this shit. I was reading this article in the New Republic just talking about the Dems are already caving in ways that we're not really seeing up front. that we're not really seeing up front, but they pointed out that Manu Raju on CNN, I said, like talking about like,

where have they been during all of this soft coup, like white collar coup shit that's been going on? Like they've just been like, just sitting on their hands and like not really be like firing up opposition outrage as you know, leaders of the party. This is what Raju said. Quote, Democrats are trying to avoid turning Trump's refusal to accept the election results into a partisan fight, believing Trump will be in an untenable position if more Republicans join

their calls to let the transition officially begin as the president's legal case continues to collapse and states begin certifying the election results. Moreover, seeking to enforce subpoenas to administration officials who play a key role in the transition process could take weeks to play out if the White House fights them, potentially going beyond January 20th when Biden will be sworn into office. So their whole plan was this is like, well, let's not like put up too much of a fight. So then they don't put up too much of a fight, but we'll let them continue to break everything apart and smash it to bits because we don't want to make this look like a partisan fight it there couldn't be more partisan than this uh so i'm again i'm like wow they've they're underlining the fact that they don't want any

kind of smoke ever they just they have we have one party in this country that is so into their agenda that they will literally kill Americans to get it done. And another party that is so obsessed with appearing nice that they actually do fuck all. And you're like, what, how, what is, is this leadership?

What is this? What are you? Are you in opposition? Or are you just being like, no, like it'll just be so bad. He'll have to do the right thing. And we shouldn't be communicating to people outwardly as well that this is something fucked up.

And he's doing active damage to this entire system we have. We need Pelosi the fuck out of there. This is so infuriating. Yeah. Yeah, they're just addicted to triangulation and being like okay well so they're doing that so we're gonna like be over here like slightly to the left of them and they're gonna mess each other up they completely allow the republicans to dictate the agenda and dictate like everything how could it possibly be a bad thing to like call attention

and to politicize something where they're just the republicans are just standing by letting trump try to overthrow democracy in the country like that's a unwinnable argument and and i well because they're saying i think the logic is that if they start coming out being like, you need to do this, then that gives him Twitter at ammo to start being like, you see what they're doing. You see what's going on. But it's like, he's going to do that too.

He'll find someone to blame no matter what. So why not be like, yeah, fuck it. I'll take that fight and we can have it out right here. And I'll, I'll keep clapping back rather than being like, I don't know what the courts do it.

And they can get like the, the brunt of the attention. It's just you don't want the energy of someone who's supposed to be on your side in the fight for your life to have big energy. You need people to be like, they're like doing fucking pull-ups on streetlights and shit. Be like, what? They say, what? Who? Get them over here like that's what the fuck you need because they are they are hell-bent on doing as much destruction as possible i think it's fair to like fight fire with fire when the stakes are this high you know

and it's like they don't ever do that and you're like all right right i mean you can fire with uh fire safety lessons yeah yeah i mean you go on fire safety lessons. Yeah. Electros on fire safety. Democrats are going to turn the other cheek to the point that their neck is going to snap off and their head is going to fall off because they're like, oh, just I'll just. No, doesn't. We'll take that and we'll take that and we'll take that because at least we're not the people doing that. We're just people not standing up for the people who are actually the victims of this nonsense because they are not. standing up for the people who are actually the victims of this nonsense because they're not and i think it's easier for them to take this strategy when none of the negative ramifications directly affect them and it's it's just fucking weird to see like over the last four years truly and this

point this is pointed out in this new republic article activists on twitter have basically been outsmarting the Republicans more than these decrepit monkey skeletons that we have in Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Like, how are these, you know, Twitter accounts who are even being like, well, fuck it, if they don't do it, why don't we go after people who fund or give money to or outfit their events and put pressure on them to disengage from them? And they do. and that's caused the party problems as well so it's weird to see more of this like the people like people who are actually out here are doing a better job you know taking on the republicans than the democrats are and we saw that through all these

you know hearings and non-impeachments or i don't know kid glove nonsense throughout the last four years but yeah and then they act like the reason that they didn't have more success in the election was because people wouldn't listen to them and be a moderate and it's so yeah frustrating i mean it's there even if you just look even though it's not the same party donald trump had the doing pull-ups on the streetlight energy you know for better or worse and people saw that they're like thank god i just need somebody to come in here start fucking swinging i don't care what if i get hit either way i just want to see this shit this this you're seeing like as we see these new generation of politicians enter uh politics as well it's the same energy

these are street fighters these are people who are fucking have been you know doing hadoukens on the street against the in an activist capacity and they understand like that's what it takes to like get people to move them out of the apathy column and then to the engagement column is that you see like oh they're active i'll be active too if they're passive and like well i don't know they'll probably're just going to make a mess of it themselves, then that's the energy you're giving your base too. I mean like, well, you know, like let them tear each other apart and we'll just be passive. Yeah.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and uh yeah so i started thinking about uh like contemporary christian art because of the sopranos i was watching the soprano right part where janice is like in the contemporary christian music scene and it was just like it's so uh it's just interesting like i started thinking about like how just consistently bad christian art has been for like a century i don't know it's been a long time and it's like it's an easy like butt of a joke online to like show the pictures or the drawings of like jesus like carrying people out of the twin towers on 9 11 or whatever, like sticking his arm in front of a junkie so that like, he's taking the heroin for the junkie. But like,

I actually think it's, it's at the core of like one of our biggest national problems, like the whole culture war. Like I feel like the Protestant, like sort of uh right wing the fact that they like don't have culture or like art that we can respect causes like a resentment because we're dismissive of their art and then they resent uh our art i think and resent us and like think that there's like a war on their culture.

Yeah, secular art. I thought you were acting like we have, hey, check out our daily zeitgeist Christian contemporary artworks hated by evangelicals because we have swag. No, just like secular art in general. I hadn't really done a ton of research into, like I grew up around some people like when I lived in Kentucky

who were like part of this more like Baptist, Protestant, Southern Baptist ethic where you couldn't listen to secular music. You would just listen to like, there's apparently a chart that they had in like Christian record stores that was like, if you like Dr. Dre then you'll love DC talk

no I need that chart I need the like a way to transition people off of that secular music yeah and but like there's also you know what's the

what's that Paul Scheer movie thing how did this get made like sometimes covers like these christian movies and like like they're they're somewhat successful when they come out like on a budget of like a small budget they'll make 10 million dollars or something but they're always just ridiculous and like fully reviled and like so i i started searching this just to be like what how does like what is the most dominant like probably the most dominant culture in america and you know like christians are they're not the majority but they're probably the plurality of like the population vague white christ Christianity, for sure. Yeah.

Not getting too into the details, but Jesus and white? Okay. Yeah, there's so, so many of them in America. And as a rule, every piece of art that they make is bad. And so, yeah, I was doing research, and this is something that they're writing about like i think they're aware of it like in these uh christian blogs like that that's what comes up when you search like why is christian contemporary art so consistently bad and they're like yeah

you know the their diagnosis is interesting because they i think get some of it right they talk about like how um they they got locked into sort of a weird al yankovic occasion of art where they would like take secular art and just do like the religious version of that like it's because they've like failed on like the educational front, like just to encourage really like deep critical thinking and everything just goes back to like this very simplistic normative judgment. Like one of the people was saying that they focus on having the answer as opposed to like the mystery of life, which like the mystery and the questions are what drives art as opposed to

like just being like, ah, no, it's a simple yes, no answer yeah i don't know i mean you're an artist veronica what do you think what is it about it i had i did just google uh christian art and yeah it's not good it all it's also like it it's so it's like it's all evolving off of the same tree and no one's branching out, you know? Right. No one's taking a bit of cubism or being like introducing like a Bauhaus aesthetic into there. You know what I mean? Like, because if that's art, you're there to express yourself.

But like, it seems like they already limit sort of visually what is possible if you're doing Christian art. Yeah. It seems like they're just not encouraged to like think outside the box or try new things, which I feel like to be good at art. Boom, that's what it is, right? The lack of challenging your norms or your beliefs in the process of making your own art. I mean, that's the other thing too, is how dedicated you are as an artist to your work. Because there are plenty of works by non-religious artists that are christian themed that are really good like yeah that are about kehinde wiley is an amazing painter who regularly has themes of

christianity like intertwined in his works like whether that's like sort of stained glass pieces or like doing one-for-one uh versions of like older paintings that were depictions of christ and just swapping them out with like african-american people that like they still have power like there's a i don't know like it's just so funny that they but people who aren't you know specifically christian artists are still able to evoke things about religion through their art so why doesn't it why doesn't somebody rip off kahinde where are these you know like like people plenty of people rip other artists off just start ripping off fucking good art like that's growing up as like a movie fan the best like times i saw a movie address faith was like contact oh i love that movie i love contact but like that's that's a movie by a scientist about like religious faith

it's not like the you know christian church's like doctrine so like i'm sure it would be like kicked out of uh the conversation if like you brought it to uh you know into this protestant aesthetic and then like i remember uh you can count on me that movie like has a priest that is like just allows for the the mystery of like faith and like religion and isn't just like yeah this is the answer and that was like mind-blowing because i you just never see religion uh in that context in american art uh but i think that dudes who made that is like a lapsed catholic and like that you just just, the thing that they were saying in this podcast I listened to where it was like all these Protestant like dudes

who were like, they were saying all the things you're saying that like they have set their sights too low, low standards. They're just like all responding to whatever is put before them and not, you know, they're focused on the message rather

than like the aesthetic but then when they try to explain or like come up with a solution it becomes like we are the bearers of god's image and genesis says creation is good and it's just like they get short-circuited by this like normative judgmental thing and i think like thinking going into a piece of a work of art thinking that you're going to like pass judgment on something is like not i don't know it feels very like uh reductive and like the opposite of creativity i mean isn't like the best art pieces you look at they they are sort of they have this ability to be nebulous and abstract, even if the form on the canvas or the image is very specific, that the composition and whatever,

the colors just bring something out of you that you just are like, huh, you know, like, that's the first step is just to be like, hmm, like, this is interesting. But if it's just a literal, yeah, if there's just a literal representation of this thing of Jesus holding a baby or whatever, you're like, okay, what? Sure. And there's no ability to begin questioning anything as you look at it,

not that you have to question the existence of Christ or whether they're the father, the son of God or whatever, but he could even be for yourself or of your own. There's just something about it that doesn't allow even for that like there's no introspection i don't know i feel like good art gets your mind going and sort of challenges challenges you on some level and that's my personal take on like what the art the kind of art i respond to specifically it's different for other people but i think that's a thing that's also missing because the nature of working within

a religious framework is to not question anything at all. Like it's all the answers are given. So then we're kind of like, how can you, how could a Christian artist wrestle with their relationship with Christ in a painting? You know, cause then that,

that would encourage other Christian people to think of like, am I also wrestling with my relationship? Whether that's good or bad but like it can't introduce anything like that it has to be like dude i don't know if you saw that dude christ was walking with that guy on the beach full and was carrying him okay that that is the definitive piece of christian art of the past like yeah long walks on the beach footsteps yeah come on y'all can do better one thing like tying it back to the current cultural moment uh i there's this bbc article about this question and they were talking about that moment do you remember when there was like

piss christ that was just a photograph of like a cup of piss with like a crucifix in it but then there was also a painting uh these were like big uh modern art pieces uh there was a painting of the virgin mary in that was painted with elephant shit and the it was like late 90s early 2000s and the person who was like the central like critic critic critic of the ability to show these works of art was Rudy Giuliani. He was like, because they were in New York museums, he took center stage and was like, this is unacceptable.

Get the fuck out of here. It was one of the first times when you started seeing the cultural conversation around him be like, wait wait what the fuck is this guy's deal like right right right okay yeah but it's like he's

he's passing judgment on he's like this is it's just like that normative like thinking you get to say what's good and bad is like the it's like art is deathly allergic to that i feel like yeah yeah well we can't solve all your problems for you christian art world um i know but like i want them to solve our problem for us and start creating art that is good that like the whole that

will cross over so we can all be like yeah no, no, that's good, man. Like good for you guys. And great. Now, like you don't have to feel like you have a chip on your shoulder about fucking the Sopranos. I don't know if it's that. I mean, it's so many things,

but I think just already when you get caught up in this thing of like, I'm the operating within a religious environment, because I went to school like in things like that just people some people are just so already kind of cut off from having any thoughts that would challenge you or you would have growth or an evolution in general I mean we are the theory of evolution is already taboo to these people so the idea that like i'm just thinking of like how any person operates from when they're trying to create something like artistically you're it's your moments of inspiration typically are born out of changes in your life or growth or failure or things and you're using that to be like oh wow i have this energy to express in a certain way if you're kind of one note because

you're like it's all good christ got my back devil is bad. And let's do this year after year. Yeah. Your art is already having a discussion with something like that in your life. I don't see much. I already don't. There's not much change or, you know, evolution. There's no there's nothing in flux there. It's very constant. Yeah. And you're also sort of operating off the get go, like within a certain set of rules and like art has no rules baby you know yeah right and you have to be willing to reject those rules to make it like so i was thinking of like catholic example of like good art and like the hold steady album separation sunday is like about catholicism and it's like very like thoroughly about religion, like,

or with Judaism, uh, a S a simple man or is that a serious man? And like, these are about religion and they're like also brilliant works of art that like, you know, you can,

you can be explicitly about the, the religion, the questions that arise from that religion without being, I don't know, so just simple and stupid. I want to see lit Christian art too. I want to be like, you know, I want to see- Yeah, I want to see lit everything art. Yeah, just holler at us.

And I don't mean to be dismissive because I think- I'm not trying to be dismissive at all. I'm not saying you are. I'm only really speaking for myself because I sort of felt that i'm the way i'm talking about it seems sort of uh across the board dismissive of someone's beliefs or belief system but yeah i would i don't know i don't know what the answer is because i've grown up seeing the same five fucking posters or framed works of art in utherine and catholic schools and, damn, this shit is so dry, bro. Like, just get that hot air balloon fucking photo up

that says, like, perseverance. Like, that shit is hitting harder than this, you know, taking a long walk on the beach with this dude. That painting of Jesus that is, like, you know, blue-eyed, light brown-haired Jesus, that's, I think I read somewhere, it's the most reproduced piece of art like in the world in the history of the world uh and it's just like some dude like painted it

in the early 20th century and it just like happened it's like not any sort of great masters painting it's just like yeah that that'll do i mean i even think of like there are basquiat uh like images of like christ you know what i mean that are abstract and freaky but they do something to you because at least in that one there's some it it'll bring some kind of feeling of like fear or something out of it too because it's not like smiley you know white guy with blue eyes like it feels a little more all-encompassing of what life is rather than just sort of myopically looking at like this very nice polished coiffed hair guy with the six-pack yeah i don't know uh but i do i do demand that jesus stays ripped uh because he he always has to be hot i'm looking

for a dad bod jesus you know? Yeah. That might be step one. Would that be too subversive if a Christian was like, I honestly think this is a little bit better for Christ. Jesus with like love handles and just a little. Yeah, just being a regular dude. Because I would love to, I would watch a documentary about the Genesis, pardon the, sorry for the crossover pun there, but of ripped Jesus depictions.

Yeah. Who, who began that? And like, I'm sure I was there controversy around that. Did anyone try and do like a, maybe a little scrawnier Jesus or like, yo bro,

the savior would be fucking ripped. Fuck out of here. I'm going to look weak. Has anyone ever done a Jesus with like a really big dong? Cause like, I feel like there's just always a normal size. You mean? No.

Oh, like a statue. Yeah. A statue of Jesus with like a massive like there's just always a normal size you mean no like a statue yeah a statue of jesus with like a massive that's true that was because like he's always like naked like mostly but like they make him ripped but i feel like this that might be the future of christian art is just like you could buy it across fit jesus yeah just a weird floppy dick uh all right and finally let's talk about um let's talk about jared and ivanka uh they're rod gerard and ivanka uh the new jared kushner gerard kush baby uh yeah Yeah, they're fucked on many different levels. They have no power in D.C.

They have debt. Gerard's probably going to, they're going to look at some of the shit he did, ways that he kind of combined his job in the government with his personal finances. That probably won't look so good ivanka's uh consultation fees she was getting that they're like what what is this what's going on here who is this what is this for yeah we got uh they i think they're headed to new jersey

because nobody dude nobody's fucking with them in new york anymore like they're they're basically she would have to wear a disguise uh to like i think not that she's completely unwelcome there but her social circle has evaporated in that sense and like like you know most people will rightfully treat this family like the pariahs that they are and so yes because of that they're like well fuck that what are we gonna do we need to go to our self our safe space so they have plans on that bedminster golf club or golf course uh and they're expanding their cottage and i will use air quotes on cottage because i'll get to the square footage in a second uh they're expanding their cottage on daddy's golf course and like almost it looks based on

some of these plans in this new york times, sounds like they don't really need to leave much if they're there. So this is from the New York Times report. It says, quote, the new plans before Bedminster Township call for an expanded master bedroom. This is in their existing home that's already there. A bathroom, dressing room, two new bedrooms, a study, and a ground floor veranda, making it more comparable to the $5 million house they rent for $15,000 a month in D.C. Then they say plans also call for adding five more cottages of 5,000 square feet each to the property. Oh, so it's my apartment. And a recreation complex with spa treatments and a general store.

A general store? Yo, they're not. They are creating the village for themselves to escape from having to be held accountable in public. Will the general store carry Ivanka's fashion line that she used to have? Oh, God, no. It's going to have nice brands. Oh, okay. She even knows that. She's like, come on. I would never do that. She's like, I that she used to have? Oh God, no. It's going to have nice brands. Oh, okay. She even knows that.

She's like, come on. I would never do that. She's like, I'm Gucci down to the socks. Oof. I mean, that is what happens. Like that is usually the sign of somebody who is going to go off. Like that's when Michael Jackson like created Neverland. Elvis created Graceland.

People who just create their own. Yeah, Kanye in Wyoming, Disney in Disneyland. That's when people really go off the deep end. And I will be interested to see, because the general store, that really perks my ears up. What does that mean? A supermarket supermarket a way to like like mega on a whim she's like can you can you switch it out so it looks like the chanel

store because i can't go into manhattan anymore please right but they're not going to sell any of the bad chicken that they're right oh i guarantee they're not going to they'll have live-in chefs and like their own supply chain just inside there yeah they become very efficient they're like it's actually a self-sustaining property we're doing regenerative uh agriculture it's really amazing um i don't know what it is the land yeah but i don't know those kids like they're they're you know their school age like they're getting into like shit talking kid age where i can only imagine what do you do then? I mean, they're going to have to homeschool.

You know someone's going to be like, hey, what are you? Oh, is Gerard your dad? Oh, my God. Yo, this Gerard's kid right here. It'll be, you know, I don't even know. If I was a parent and I'm like, wait, hold on. They're going to the same school? Let me tell you about, oh, no, I don't want to poison the well.

They're just kids. No, you got to poison that well. I think it is every American's duty to let their kids know about what this person's parents and grandparents did. In a nice way.

Don't scare the kids, but just let them know. Let them know. Grandpa's a fucking monster. His grandpa brought back firing squads just that yeah yeah yeah just so you know um so you know you can treat them however uh but be kind but you know firing squads just keep that in mind you know how long do you do you think until jared i'm sorry gerard and ivanka have like you know in their minds they're probably like okay like in two years it's gonna blow over like trust me yeah it's like with all like the outrage with

stuff daddy was doing in office like we just gotta like we'll just lay low and we'll come back in do you think what do you think because i think it is possible because we have a terrible memory here for like actually remembering how fucked up people are and how they behaved in the past. Do you think what we will somehow be seeing her back to her old like Manhattan self within two years, three years? You think people will allow her back? Harvey Weinstein was at a fucking comedy club. You know what I mean? And granted, people booed and hissed him out of there.

club you know what i mean and granted people booed and hissed him out of there but like i it just shows that there's a mixture of like audacity on the on the part of the transgressors and like just a sort of like lack of wanting to confront them on the people who would like host them out of place that like allows for this slow creep where people like i don't know so long ago like they're not doing it anymore and like i don't know they they just donated a bunch of money you know i don't know like yeah i feel like it's not i don't yeah i just don't think um i don't know in my mind i'm like they won't see they won't see social justice yeah of being ousted uh come on new york do us proud shun them yeah right or to my surprise like they show up you know and like fucking march somewhere in manhattan and people are just like throwing like old dead Do us proud. Shun them. Right. Or to my surprise, like they show up, you know, and like fucking march

somewhere in Manhattan and people are just like throwing like old dead heads of lettuce at them and shit. I bet she ends up on Real Houses of New York City

like two seasons in the future. Oh, that would be. Yeah, I really hope I know. You know what?

That feels very, very real because I mean, they started as reality show characters why wouldn't they oh no no it's their own it's their own it's their own show no yeah remember we saw remember they were trying to make it back in 2016 and it never aired and there was like that clip of it and it's so fucking cringy where like they tried to make it seem like a reality show but donald trump can't even pretend to act like a dad to make it seem like a reality show but Donald Trump can't

even pretend to act like a dad to Don Jr. that it just comes off as like him talking to a maintenance worker oh god I'll try it though well Veronica it's been a pleasure having you thank you so much for joining us thanks for expending the energy

while you have the best way to spend my COVID days. Thank you for having me. Oh man. I wish I could smell you guys. Sorry, bud. You don't want to. You do not.

Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on all platforms at Veronica K all day. I just made a TikTok and it's only videos of my hamster. So that's a warning wow how how uh does your hamster dance lip sync what are we looking at uh you know she does it all uh she does it all mostly she just stuffs her cheeks with a lot of food and then uh waddles her little stuffed body and then runs away from me and that's all you need oh man yeah uh is there a tweet or some of the work of social media

you've been enjoying? yes this is from Camille Corbett she's a very funny twitter at the witty girl and I liked this tweet a lot it says I've probably spent 45% of the best years of my life watching my own Instagram story that just really I felt like a personal attack from that

Miles where can people find you what's a tweet you've been enjoying? That just really, I felt like a personal attack. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. And also the other podcast, 420 Day Fiance, where we're talking about 90 Day Fiance and season nine of Married at First Sight, because that's on Netflix. So if you've never seen it,

we're only a couple episodes deep. Hop in. We're just being like, this is not going to end well. And some people are so booed up magically that you're like, I'm tired of them because they're a functioning couple out the gate. And I'm here for drama and trash. Let's see. A tweet that

I like. This is from Reductress. At Reductress tweets, this woman went home to her parents for Thanksgiving because she was already living there. That's just the whole vibe. Yes. Shout out to everybody who's having Thanksgiving or had a Thanksgiving.

Wait, this is Monday. Let me fucking actually find something that's more evergreen. Okay. This one is from Reductress, and this tweet is, how to not hate the child actor that looks nothing like the grownup actor

they're supposed to resemble. Because I feel like that's happening a lot. I think for Molly's game, people have some energy for- For Molly's game? I think this looks like a photo of, juxtaposed of two redheaded people. Is there any flashback scenes?

Maybe it's Queen's Gambit. No, Queen's Gambit. What am I saying? Molly's game. like a photo of juxtaposed of two redheaded people is there any flashback scenes uh maybe it's queen's gambit no queen's gambit what am i saying holly's game well that is uh that's the poker game yeah it's a poker the queen's gambit of poker man i gotta go by aaron sorkin uh tweet i enjoyed uh nazi at schnoozle tweeted dead sneeze so loud because it's the only way they know how to express their emotions uh and colon hello colon tweeted a prank show that exclusively and relentlessly targets former trump administration uh that is the reality show i need oh my manifest that i think you can put that money together in ho and just be like, look, this is the deal. I will prank them until I die,

but I need you to pay for some of these things. These are going to be elaborate. The lawsuits. That is one that you would have to factor the lawsuits in. That's what you do. You also work with a legal team to thread the needle of what is a prank that doesn't necessarily come at you for damages.

Look, this isn't for us to do on mic. We're going to talk to our lawyers right now about this. Hey, George Soros, cut the check. So that they can never trust their reality again. Like, it's almost like becomes a Truman Show thing where they just always feel like, yeah. Fair gaming, man. Just take a book out of Scientology's page. Just come at you like that.

They gaslit us for four years so we could just gaslight them for the rest of their lives. They gaslit us for four years so we could just gaslight them for the rest of their lives. I'm on board. We'll get Mike Rinder and be like, yo, man, just put me on to all the tactics of Scientology like harassment, bro, because this is fucked up because I don't think the leadership in this country

is actually going to hold somebody to account. A little light justice. Yeah, yeah. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeit o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where i link off

the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what are we riding into this fine post Thanksgiving week? You know, it's Cybermun. Let's just keep low vibes. Like I know it's probably a wild couple days over the weekend. This is a track called Meet the Frownies. And it's by this band called Mr. Twin Sister. I've just been getting into their music.

sister uh i'm not i've just been getting into their uh their music and uh this the reason i got into it is because this kendrick lamar sampled it on the recipe that bonus track so i was like wait what's going on let me see what's going on here the track is actually really cool and very laid back very easy to listen to um and yeah i think just good good monday vibes so meet the friends all right the daily zyka is the production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows that's gonna do it for this monday morning we'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Bye. with you in your bed I served your face turned red when I said what I was getting you to Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need

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