The Daily Zeitgeist - Science R U OK? The Legal Right To Creep 07.30.25

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

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Hi everybody. Good to see you. Hello. It's been a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. I'm hard to track down. I know.

We've been doing tracking through the wilderness to try and find you. Yeah. Like broken branches. That's what you have to do. Footprints. Yeah. I've been eating a lot of droppings. Miles, you're not supposed to talk about that.

I'm like, no. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it. We're working on it have to do. Flip it. Yeah. I've been eating a lot of droppings. Miles, you're not supposed to talk about that.

I'm like, no. We're working on that. Dr. Graham, we're working on that with him. Isn't that how, is that a thing? I thought I saw a tracker do that in a movie. I don't know if that's a real. Eat the droppings? No.

Am I putting my own? No, they do that. They do that in the movies. They do. Every time. They're like, they like, they like find some scat and then Up to see what's in it and then they're like they're like, oh what you know, that is not necessary Like you could open it up and be like, oh what seed is this? Is it this seed or this seed?

But you wouldn't like eat it, you know, you'd just like take it to your Figure it out, you know, you mean it doesn it to your lab and figure it out. You know. You mean it doesn't tell you what direction the animal went? Yes. Hollywood. Have your right foot on this one. Fooled us all. Do east, yes.

No, southeast. That's right. Ah, she's a smart one. Clever girl. What? Clever girl. Clever girl. What? Clever girl. Clever girl.

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Sharon I've never Sharon before right now you never just want to put her name. I've never been like hey share, you know Yeah, people who call their parents by their just go by share Share something. Okay. Yeah, not share but share But anyways, the best every do it. Love you lots mom Okay, wait cookies great cookies the best chocolate chip cookies the cake is most wonderful chocolate chip cookies among many other things Yeah, yeah. Well, it is July 30th. That's also national climb a mountain day It's national whistleblower day. yeah, shout out whistleblowers, vitally needed in this era.

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I've been locked out of my Discord account for like eight months. But it appears to be back because I got this from Discord. Uh, also said, but my wife just started listening to TDZ. So I want to impress her with some AKAs and just came in with a, with a banger right away. You didn't even need that follow-up line, which was, I need this. It was good. You didn't need to beg this. It was good. You didn't need to beg, Zach.

It was good. And we're thrilled to have you back in the Discord. One of our long time fave listeners, Zach Vannos. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, Miles Gray. Yikes, we're all, I can't even say the basics. My name is miles gray, the Lord of Lancashire, the show gun with no gun.

Okay. I am here. Thank you for having me. Because when you have guns miles would have gun problems. That's right. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests and acclaimed wildlife ecologist and conservationist who specializes in researching how human activity

influences the behavior of wild animals. She's a TV host and the host of the PBS nature podcast Going Wild with Dr. Rae Wingrant, which makes sense because she is Dr. Rae Wingrant. Dr. Rae. Yay. Yeah. Welcome back. Dr. Ray! Yay. Yeah. Welcome back.

Thanks. Oh my God. I've been on the show, this is like my third time, I think. Your third time, yeah. I'm a regular. You're a regular. Yeah, very much so.

You guys gotta start doing the thing that they do on SNL, you know? I know. When you come like a club. You get a jacket of the fifth time. Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna make it to five. And our jacket, so on SNL,

the jacket is like every time they put it on, the hosts are like, oh my God, this is so nice. When you put our jacket on, you're like, oh my God, this fell apart. Yeah, this is so cheap. Is this Fashion Nova? Yeah. It's Shein, actually.

We aspire to Fashion Nova. The arms fall off immediately. It's somehow a faster fashion than Fashion Nova. It's light speed. A team new exclusive. Actually, it's paper towels we've taped together in the shape of a jacket. It operates on the fast food side of fashion, of fast. They're like, yeah, we'll have you a jacket in like five minutes.

15, way too long. Quick service garments. Yeah. How have you been? Oh my gosh. Well, there's something that I can't talk about yet, but I can talk about it the next time I come back. New bear.

New bear. You can drop a new bear on us. I'm super sick, actually. And that is sad, but the reason, the adventure that I was on that got me sick, and I will recover just in a couple of weeks. But the adventure I was on that got me sick is amazing, but I can't talk about it yet. Can you say where you went or can you say that? No.

Wow. It was far and away. So what are we talking like, Reading, California? I was actually, how about this? I was in a US territory. Okay. Okay. Okay.

We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. Yeah. I will not. I'm going to be guessing and trying to like prod you for answers. The whole thing. I'm going to solve this. Just like, please don't compromise this project, Jack, with your questions.

Uh, well, Dr. Graham, we're thrilled to have you back. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we are going to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're talking about on today's episode. We're going to look at some of the changes that are happening when it comes to the United States and its relationship to science and ask, is science going to be okay? And does it even matter? I mean, do we really need this science stuff? Come on. Right? Do we? Who needs it?

We need it. We will talk about that. Uh, some cuts to NASA, which again, who needs it? We'll, we'll talk about the cheating scandal, the latest on the, uh, on the cold play kiss cam cheating scandal and how it relates to privacy law. We will take a very limited study and just go running off with it, with the conclusions. And then Dr. Grant can tell us

if we're making scientifically sound- Arguments? Arguments based on it. We might even talk about the box office, Happy Gilmore 2, plenty more. But first, Dr. Grant, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh, yeah. Okay. So I took one second to prepare for this question. But I went into my Google

search history on my phone rather than my computer because I've been on my phone a lot more lately. And I thought this was interesting. So the thing that I have googled more times than anything else in the past two months has been local time, California And that's because I have spent the last three months almost entirely away almost entirely traveling across four continents jack

and Like australia europe Alaska. Four continents. That's a state, Jack. That's a state. Wow. And my Australia, Europe, different parts of North America. Oh no, three continents, three continents. And I have a little family at home. And so usually when I do all this traveling for wildlife work, I don't call home a lot. I really kind of, we have this understanding, like I am like I don't have cell signal. Like I will see you and sink in when I'm back. Mommy's in the wilderness.

Mommy's yeah, mommy's in the wilderness. It's like my kids since the day both of them are born. So it's been more than a decade. This has been the norm and it works for our family. But because this was particularly a long time away, I was finding myself like constantly like checking like what time is it at home and, can I send a text to my husband? Because he'll wake up like if I text him, he will wake up and look at it. Or if I call him, he will wake up. Right.

So like I was constantly being like, what, you know, what, what time is it at home? Local time, California by Google search history. And you care if you wake him up or not. That's that's nice of you. I do. That is very nice of you. Yes, he's working on being a good sleeper. Hell yes.

Like my toddler. Very kind of you. When you're awake, because do you always bring your kids back a gift, but when you're in the wilderness, do you like, this is a really cool rock. This is bear dropping. Do you march out of them? People ask me this is a really cool rock bear drop

People ask me this question a lot they kind of ask like oh do you do you bring your kids? You know when you travel because you go to some cool places. Do you do you bring them a souvenir? I don't bring them to where I go Don't bring them back anything Right from the Wilder. Okay. That's right. Because you respect. I've normalized. So part of it is I travel too much to always bring something back, but also we're trying not to have a lot of stuff. Because they will appreciate it, but it could end up just being stuff.

Yeah. I'm very fortunate, you guys. I'm so fortunate. I travel mostly right now for my television show, which is called Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. And they get to watch the show. Yeah. So it's also like I travel, like, oh, mommy's in Australia. And they miss me.

But it's like a couple of months later, they are watching the show where mommy was in Australia. And so it really connects them to why I was gone and what I was doing. Yeah, you're a star. I'm very fortunate because not a lot of parents who travel get that. Yeah. Right. I don't get to play this podcast for my kids,

unfortunately, afterwards. For example. You want to know what I was up to? You want to learn some new words? I was like, yeah. That sounds great. What is something you think is underrated? Well, okay. I just remember the last time I was on this podcast,

I thought I had a really good answer to what was underrated. I stand by it. I'm going to use it again. Okay. So I really think- Love it. My answer was sweet potatoes. Because I was like, when I eat a sweet potato, which is frequently, I'm always like,

why aren't people talking about this? Like this is so delicious. It's like compliments any meal. It's super nutritious. It's really filling. You fill it with, like, why aren't people talking about sweet potatoes? How are you enjoying it?

You just, I'm picturing you just like Steaming like you got one cooked and you're just biting it off. So here's the thing you have to kind of for me I think you overcook them. So some people are like, oh bake it at, you know 350 for an hour. I'm like bake it at 385 for an hour and a half Oh, I am telling you so So it's all like a mullet. Yeah, and then I, my husband and I, like we shop at Trader Joe's a lot, shout out Trader Joe's. And they, at least in California,

they have Japanese sweet potatoes, which are white on the inside. I think they're actually a little bit sweeter. They have like a reddish skin and white on the inside. And so like overcook those a little bit, you'll be in heaven. So I really think sweet potatoes are underrated. They get that like syrupy. Yeah, they cost like, you know, the 70 cents and they yeah, they're just great. They're

just great. Yeah. I appreciate it, by the way, the fact that you reuse that because you're an ecologically minded person who's committed to recycling. Yes. I think that makes sense. Reuse, recycle, reduce, reuse. Your answers to reduce the questions.

Reduce the hot takes on the internet. Reduce them. That's right. There's plenty. What is something that you think is overrated? I mean, I'm obviously on a food kick here, but I personally think getting a matcha latte at a coffee shop or a matcha shop is a little overrated, not to say I won't do it because I will do it.

But listen, the matcha you can make at home, if you get yourself a good matcha, like a good quality matcha powder, I just I prefer the matcha that I make at home. It could be a hot latte, a cold latte, whatever. Like you don't have the cute little like Instagrammable experience as much. But for me, the quality that I make is more consistent and better. And I think that like this whole like social media aesthetic

of like having your cute little matcha is beautiful. It looks beautiful. But I just want to suggest to anyone out here who's getting a matcha, a six, seven, eight dollar matcha every day, just try making it yourself. Because I bet you'll be really impressed. Nothing looks better than a matcha.

Matcha is the best looking drink, I feel like. It looks so good. I feel like that might be why some people are ordering them out because they're performatively drinking something that is the coolest color. I mean, it's so cool. I have to say I had my first matcha. I was fortunate to travel to Japan in 2009. And so I hadn't had one before and I did a whole tea, and like had a match and was like, this is cool.

And then they had this matcha ice cream and all the stuff that they have here in the States today I got to experience in Japan. And I remember being like, man, will I ever have this again? Cut to only hope. And then, boom, here we are. Yeah. A few listeners on Instagram DMV, like posts from like this company that like makes matcha And it's like these two white women who were like when we went to Japan we realized it's like oh, I'm sorry

Oh y'all y'all y'all discovered some matcha now. Okay. Okay. We love that. We discovered matcha in Japan My tip as a Japanese person buy buy it from a Japanese grower provider And you know just you can cut out the middle man who is doing the I discovered much a company on Instagram That quality is gonna be straight-up ass because it's gonna be sold to people who are just again like like the look of like I'm drinking green drink But yeah, it's right like I mean you can even go like I did this like I went on Amazon and looked for like the reviews Of like the highest quality matcha and then went to that brand's website. Right. Yeah. Order. Like it's not that hard. No, no, no, it's not. And typically this is the thing I say, like, well, sometimes cheaper

on Amazon. I bet you, you go to the website of the thing you want to buy. They're going to be like, Hey, you want 15% off right now? Like the second you click on the website. So, you know, leave. I got some really cheap matcha at a Korean grocery store near my house. It was wasabi. You guys gotta be careful. I'm telling you. That's nasty out there.

It was in a tube. I should have known. How are you? Because so for my, uh, homemade wasabi matcha, I needed to find the right mixing implement cause I got like the matcha set with the little like- The proper whisk. Wooden whisk. Yeah.

And I was not skilled enough with the whisk to like, it just wasn't quite as good as it is like elsewhere. But then I got the handheld mixer, the little like thing that you press the thing on and it like spins really fast. It's like, I think it's called a milk frother. Yeah. Handheld mixer the little like thing press the thing on and it like spins really fast. It's like I think it's called a milk frother Yeah, totally Made it like so it was indistinguishable from the matcha that you get at the at the store. Yeah

yeah, I have to say I have all of those things and Admittedly like what I do most of the time when I'm in a hurry, which is not this is not authentic Okay Like what I do most of the time when I'm in a hurry, which is not this is not authentic Okay, so I am not doing an authentic method is I throw it in the blender So I do like I heat up my milk because I do like the milk to also be hot, but it's like I Blender and I blend it my house is gone fool And I add ginger so like that's like yeah, is not like, like I did not experience this in Japan. This is my African American take on matcha. I love it.

But like I add a little bit of either like powdered ginger, like again, Trader Joe's has like a really good powdered ginger or sometimes like a little frozen ginger cube, you know, and I just, I don't know. I like it in all of my tea, not just my matcha, but I'm a big tea drinker and I just like to add ginger to everything. So I like, that's why the blender comes in handy, right? Cause it like blends it all up and, but that like, you know,

everyone, I would start with the whisk. Well, I mean, yeah, I, I grabbed my face in horror in jest, but I'm also look, I'm black and East. in jest, but I'm also black and East. I'm also American. I also look for ways to do shortcuts because the process, right, with the whisk, I understand as a process, as a Japanese person, it's like, this is part of doing it.

It's a tradition. Yeah, you're aerating the matcha with it. But also part of me does think of like, I mean, what if I'm just trying to get this shit quick? Yeah, but I would never, if I had a cooking show or something, I would think of like, I mean, what if I'm just trying to get this shit quick? Yeah, but I would never like if I had like a cooking show or something, I would never be like, do my new blender of making matcha, throw it in the blood. Like that, like that's not that I would. I put it on your countertop.

Dude, I went to a coffee shop where people had the bamboo whisk on a fucking power drill. Yeah, yeah. Like at the after, like the barista, what I'm doing. Yeah. But I was like, yo essentially what I'm doing. Yeah. But I was like, yo, this is a... It felt like the most American thing where it's like, I'm going to put this bamboo whisk on a power drill. How am I going to blacken Decker this shit up a little bit? Yeah.

Should we even be calling it matcha or should we be calling it like green tea? Green drink. Yeah. It's green tea at that point. Yeah. Like green tea latte. Ecto cooler. Yeah. Ecto cooler. Yeah, ecto cooler, high C ecto cooler.

I do a little shot of hot water and then spoon the powder on top of the shot of hot water and then just mix it in my mouth as I'm running out the door. Is that the traditional? Yeah. Yeah. Then I put the frother in and just use an electric toothbrush. Electric toothbrush with. Just put it on my electric toothbrush, it does it all, two in one. Yeah, yeah.

I will say though, my husband has gotten into recently instant coffee, which he's like a coffee guy, right? Like I'm a matcha drinker, it's my preference, but he is super into coffee and he went to a friend's house recently for a brunch and he was like, their coffee is so good. Like, I'm going to ask them what it is. And it's from this specialized grocery store, but it's their instant coffee at this specialized grocery store. And so he's like, screw it, like, I'm gonna do that now. And so he also uses the blender, right? So he's like, you know, hot water, instant coffee, he might add a little something good, you know,

and so we're both like blending our-usually blended craft drinks lately. So it's just this whole thing that's going on in my house. Same, same blender. I feel like. Same blender. Wow. Yeah. Okay.

Just got to power wash that thing up. Are you worried about the flavors contaminating each other? I'm worried about those flavors contaminating one another. Coffee really sticks. Yeah, the matcha has to go first. Matcha definitely has to go first. Unless you have an order, like, I'm doing my matcha. You should blend your coffee afterwards, you freak.

All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll check in on the world of science, which I haven't checked in on since the last time you were here, Dr. Grant, I have to assume things are going well. Just a steady march upward, up and to the right. Oh, no, my sweet Jack.

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And we're back. And so are the Dark Ages. Yep. Yeah. I mean, broadly speaking, I guess we've entered the reverse enlightenment in the US. My favorite skateboard trick. Dude, check this out. Dude, fakie reverse enlightenment.

Triple fakie reverse enlightenment. It's like the conservative movement is now that they're in power, just saying, too well-established science. Now, I feel like with Project 2025 and knowing the people who are really funding that, one of the big driving forces behind defunding a lot of scientific research is because scientists tend to point out with factual evidence that

many industries or practices are actually degrading our environment. So you get people who's like, why can't I run a supercomputer that will poison the air and waste fresh water? What do you mean carbon emissions? How is my business responsible for extreme weather? I don't get it. Get these people who are keep getting the receipts out of my face. And that kind of what it's sort of like what this whole backlash feels like,

this sort of capitalistic sort of like, you're getting in the way of our money making and it doesn't matter if we're just killing the earth in the process. So I have a simple pitch for science. We need to just start issuing these findings the way that people who work for CEOs do where you basically have to make it seem like it was the CEO's idea every time. Right, right, right.

You like pitch the breakthrough to a billionaire. You'd be like, this thing that you funded a number of years ago has borne fruit. It turns out that there is climate change and we have this idea called the Bezos climate buster for fixing it. BCB. Because I just feel like the scientific breakthroughs up to this point are, they're just very inconvenient and not in line with profitability. You're not so far off, Jack, because I don't want to spill the beans, right?

So I don't know who's listening to this podcast. I'll be very vague. But there are a couple of fairly large states in the United States that are red and have problematic governors. And so just think of some of them are one of them in your mind So actually this group of conservationists convinced a governor just a couple of years ago No, no, no during the first Trump administration Convinced the governor to protect a whole bunch of wilderness

That was unprotected. So like millions of acres by suggesting that it would give state pride, that the wildlife that would use those protected lands are wildlife that like represent the state. And if you have state pride, like if you're a real person from the state. And if you have state pride, like if you're a real person from the state, you really care about these animals

and thus you must support like, preserving these protected areas, which means like not developing on them, not hunting on them, all this stuff. And like it was a reverse psychology inception thing. We don't know if it'll work again, but it was major for this one particular street. It worked.

Wow. I mean, it does make sense. We do live in such a, again, politicians ego-driven era right now where it's like, maybe we just make it appeal to their sense of pride or something. Yeah, it was like white. Yeah, this is our land. Yeah. And you're like, yeah, sure.

Yeah, like if we lost this animal, we wouldn't be us anymore. So let's, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, at least they can somehow connect it in that really fucked up backwards way. I mean, early conservationism was super race. So maybe we just bring it back to its roots. We'll take it back to that guy. Early conservation was like wildlife over people,

which is essentially something that I could see rising up again. It was the guy who has the heart in California. Like something that I could see rising up again. Yeah. Yeah Who it was? The guy who has the part in California. Yeah. Yeah, we all know who we're talking here Like the mirror the woods the mirror woods. Yes, John here and Tony Teddy Roosevelt together Yeah, cuz they're whole like these these indigenous people can't fucking appreciate it like us They need to be quiet and let us just look at this blank canvas really quick. That's what conservation is. Get out of my way so I can look at my- It needs to be connected to white supremacy in some way in order for it to succeed in the United States. So how do we make- Okay.

How do we make- Here's a twist. ... ending the climate crisis a white supremacist idea? I'm just- The white people will die. The white people will die too. That's true. That's true. It will democratize, socialize death because everybody's gonna be dying. It's like we're kind of, well, I hope people are,

well, how do I say this? Because it's really tragic. We just had those flash floods in Texas and a whole bunch of people perished in that horrible tragedy. Kiddos, it is just so sensitive and beyond awful. Doesn't matter who the people were who died, it could have been prevented and it was also caused by climate change. Because climate change is changing weather patterns

and changing, you know, all kinds of things, we're seeing tragedies like this around the world more and more. And I think there is a way for someone that's not gonna be me to talk about this in a racialized context, right? Like this was a natural disaster that impacted a certain demographic of people that has yet to be like tremendously impacted by climate change. And it's scary and it's so real. It's so real and no one deserves to die for any reason in my opinion, but particularly

because we are mismanaging our climate solutions. So anyway, I do not wish more of this on the world, but if we're all able to like see things clearly, we can really see that no one is safe. Right. And that's not okay. Truly, truly. I mean, I think of like, you know, I lost my house in the Eden fire.

And I just think of how that was just, I just remember the winds, like the wind warnings. They're like, these are, I lost my house in the Eaton fire. And I just think of how that was just, I just remember the winds, like the wind warnings. They're like, these are fucking like once in a hundred year winds that are going to blow through this like 210. Yeah. Like the 210 corridor. And at the time I was like, Whoa, like just watching the trees move.

And I was like, this is kind of interesting. And then the power went out and then hours later, like the fires began. But when I put it all together, I was like, oh, God, these winds are acting as a bellows for the fires, which this area just became a furnace. And you now have the most extreme winds just, you know, like literally fanning these flames to to an intensity like that. We're going into like urban basins like Altadena and things like that. So, yeah, like it's no fucking no one is safe. And even if you think it's like,

well, it's only going to happen to me in this one specific way. No, like we live in such a, like we live in an environment where all of these relationships feed off of each other. And one thing will lead to another eventually. And I mean, I did not know you lost your home. I'm so, so sorry. Oh, no, no. Yeah, it's, it's fine. It's, you know, we were just talking about having less. It's not fine. But I mean, yes you lost your home. I'm so sorry about that. Oh, no, no. Yeah, it's fine. We were just talking about having less stuff. It's not fine, but I mean, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is what it is. I'm constantly in a process of grieving my life,

mourning the future that I thought I had ahead of me and things like that. But at the same time, I'm learning so much about how resilient I am, how resilient my neighbors are, how resilient my family is. And those things have been much more heartening to me. And just like the support I've gotten from friends, family, Zeitgang, the listeners, like it's, I've had every reminder around me that the earth is good, that people are good. And that's, that, that sort of carries me through, because even with like climate change, I do think people people will begin to put the pieces together no matter how propagandized they are. There's something about seeing Earth just fuck your shit up that it's hard.

Like I know some people can immediately just turn to conspiracy theories to try and sue themselves and cope with the reality of it. But other times it ends up being something that just moves you. Like, anyway, all that to say now, like with all of these changing weather patterns, we are just constantly seeing all these little pieces of scientific research or tools that are being used to keep people safe just being picked apart. So this week, the Navy is basically unplugging three weather satellites as we approach peak hurricane season in the Atlantic. And there are literally no other substitutes that can offer the kind of essential data that these satellites do.

And in reading the story, I'm like, oh my God, what? What are you saying? How? And the Pentagon's like, well, there's a huge vulnerability. There's an IT security issue. These things have been there actually passed their operational date. It's they should have only been operating for five years, they've been up there for 10,

whatever. So but then like on the other part of it, like in the article lower, you see how much how many like researchers, scientists are scrambling to try and fill the gaps right now because they're like, well, we just lost one of our most important tools. Now we have to immediately begin problem solving around how to, you know, alleviate the loss of all that essential data. And it's also again, like heartening to just see people being like, we have to get it done, but at the same time, this is all being, this is all manmade in

terms of literally being like, well, we're just going to take this tool away because it's part of project 2025. And, you know, the more we can ignore climate change, like from a measurable standpoint, then it goes away. I'm still failing to really connect all of those dots. I mean, I can see the sort of wealth redistribution after a disaster that happens and disaster capitalism, but it's like very like, wow, I don't know what you think. I don't know how you think this ends up good for everyone if we were unable to like properly track storms and things like that.

I agree with you. That's I think also for so many people, maybe not folks who are as like plugged into science stuff, but for a lot of people who like are just like living their lives, like minding their own business, like they were likely or we were like the unaware of how many system scientific systems have been in place that we're just not like checking for because they just exist and they help us, you know, like when you open

your weather app, it's because there's all the science and technology that's just been operating behind the scenes or when you get your vaccine from your doctor or like whatever it is, like there's just so much that has just Existed and been put in place and we're only finding out the details of it as it gets Dismantled and then that's extra alarm because they're kind of like whoa this whole time like there's been problems But I guess there's been fewer problems because we had all this stuff in place. So what is it gonna be like now? Yeah I remember during the doge cuts some there there was like an interview on one of the major

papers with somebody being like, well, yeah, they can cut the funding on that because I just go to weather.com to get my weather updates and meteorological reports. And it's like, where the fuck do you think they're getting their data from? Yeah. It's sort of like that sort of metaphor you talk about, Jack, of like wealthy people thinking like they were born on third or what would you say they were born on first or whatever?

Born on third thinking they hit a triple. Oh yeah, exactly. Born at like where we are ambiently just we're, we're reaping the benefits of scientific research that people just think it's part of life. Rather than that's like, this is centuries of science that have culminated in you looking at your phone and being like, it might rain on Saturday. That's not just because like God's like, yeah, you guys have earned this, like clairvoyance to predict the weather.

This is all built off the backs of human research. Right. Yeah. Like the internet doesn't just give you information because the internet is sentient. Like it is put into the internet so that you can access it. I will just say, Miles, you mentioned conspiracy theories and I do just have to, because conspiracy theories,

like the ones that are out there and known as conspiracy theories, like the ones that are out there and known as conspiracy theories, are like, you know, the left is hiding messages in our kids' heavy metal music. Like, if you play it backwards, you can hear that. So that's like what gets conspiracy theories written about is just like fantasies that like the left is like steering things behind the scenes somehow. Meanwhile, like the Koch brothers over the past like 60 years, what they've done is more like comprehensive and like underhanded and successful than like any wild conspiracy theory.

Like they've seeded these like anti-scientific values that will kill us all by like doing things like getting actors to dress up as the founding fathers and like create the tea party and shit. Like they've just been quietly like pulling off this massive conspiracy. But in the United States, like when a rich, powerful entity like does something, it's not considered a conspiracy theory. It's just considered too boring to pay attention to. Yeah. I think, yeah,

depending on your perspective, they'll be like, well, that's their right as business people to do things that help their business. I'm like, that's not what they're, I mean, yeah, they are helping their business, but the knock-on effects here that we're absolutely going to experience the degradation of the environment because of that.

Oh, okay. Sure. And like this, this next headline that showed up too, that there are almost 20 states that have a Republican weather control bills moving through their state legislatures right now. This is again, this is now Republicans being like, all right, we need bills And again, this is now Republicans being like, all right, we need bills that will prevent the government from using airplanes to spray chemicals and do weather control on us. And you're like, I'm sorry, like, okay, so one of these things, right, that Marjorie

Taylor Greene and Tim Burkett have introduced called the Clear Skies Act. We talked about it maybe a month ago, again, quote, which would outlaw forms of geoengineering and hit alleged weather modifiers with penalties of up to $100,000 for each violation and potential prison sentences of up to five years. It's not a conspiracy theory. Pennsylvania state Senator Kamra Bartolotta, Republican who co-sponsored legislation, legislation in her state said, all you have to do is look up. Weather modifiers? Yeah. I'm actually in the process of looking up and I'm not quite seeing what they're

talking about. Well, it's like, if you see contrails, they're like, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. But then what, but what are you, again, I don't even know how they can prove anything is happening because every time these freaks talk about it, they're pointing to like a sentence in a Pentagon report that they are like, that's an area of interest is to study weather modification. And they take that as the Pentagon has weather modifying weapons that they use to modify

the weather to attack people. And then they're going to attack their own country with the weather. I think I did hear about this like in a different context where folks were like, you know, environmentalists were like, that's true. The emissions of fossil fuels do modify the weather. Those things you see up there. And that should be stopped because it does harm people.

Yeah. So let's outlaw that. Let's like, let's pass these bills and make sure that it's comprehensive. Those con trails you see up there coming off of fossil fuel power jets, they're flying through the air. What do you think about that?

I'm hearing a lot more people talk about this idea of like, I'm just banking that someone smart is going to figure out the climate change thing. I think one of the things that scientists are looking into are like weather modification, temperature modification, like spraying salt water, like ocean water into the air to try and deflect sunlight to like see what that's going to look like. And I feel like these conservative forces are acting like an immune system already just like preparing people to freak out over any idea that would involve like trying to cool the environment, which again, I'm not saying that's necessarily the right path, but it's just like, there's no way, even if somebody comes up with a

strategy that's like harmless and going to cool the environment, they won't be able to do it because of shit like this, I feel like. It's Mr. Freeze. It's Dr. Freeze from Batman. Right. They're like, you know what, you know, you know, we're this kind of stuff. Have you seen Snowpiercer?

Yeah. And then like, meanwhile, like the EPA right now, which is a huge thing this week, they're basically revoking the scientific basis for United States climate regulations. So this is like the, in 2009, there was a declaration that determined quote carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases endanger public health and welfare. And basically this endangerment finding is

the whole basis for our laws to be like, yeah, we can't do that. Can't do that stuff because it's bad, because it's affecting us negatively in a measurable way. Meanwhile, the head of the EPA, Lee Zeldin, says like this sort of scientific basis is, quote, the holy grail for climate change religion. And that rescinding this declaration will usher in like he said, it's like just a new age of American prosperity, aka fossil fuel fuckfest. But when you read reports now about how the fossil fuel industry is operating,

they're not drilling more than they were under Biden. That whole idea of the drill baby drill prosperity gospel, that's not actually in practice doing anything or remotely close to providing the prosperity that everyone believes it will be on the right. So it's just very. There's a lot of like job opportunities, economic stimulation that exists in electrifying America and moving away from fossil fuels. There's like an entire green economy that is waiting to like get started. If we if we have leaders that allow it.

It is sustainable, it is long-term, it would transform the world and it would decrease debt. It's the best choice, but it has all become very political. Having a healthy, thriving planet in at least America today has become political. So we're fighting with each other more than we're doing anything. All those jobs sound like they would redistribute money away from fossil fuel

executives and the people who currently have all the money down to people who don't have the money right now, which we're, we, we just have to take it up. We need our, uh, economists to take another look at that one. That sounds like socialism to me. I mean, I agree with that, but also we have examples of, you know, like the wealthiest man in the world, like his company makes electric stuff. Right. Yeah. And so it's like, it's, it's not, you know, I would like to see like money

trickle down to the people, but it's, it's still gonna be capitalism. Even if it's green. Yeah, that's right. I mean, yeah. I mean, I was, every time I read those pieces, you know, I was like, down to the people, but it's still going to be capitalism, even if it's green. Yeah, that's right. I mean, yeah, I mean, I was every time I read those pieces to like about our energy generation, like the part that makes me feel better is like we're also in the era of like explosive

renewable energy development too. Like we're fully developing that, not necessarily in the United States, but abroad, a lot of countries are like, well, we, we fucked with science. Now that is something, uh, Miles, you talk about the brain drain. That's something that I've heard about in a couple of articles, but of course, the Trump administration has assured me that that's not a thing and nothing to be worried about. But as a scientist, Dr. Grant, is that something that you're seeing evidence of, you know, America being openly hostile towards science and scientists? Does that

have any impact potentially that you could foresee? It definitely does. And I don't want to kind of exaggerate the brain drain in America because I think it's still at a place where it's potential. There's potentially a brain drain. There's a lot of countries around the world that have a real deal of brain drain, right? Like a lot of developing nations where like, if people are able to achieve a certain amount of education, they leave for Western countries and it's way more, you know, than what we've got going on. But I can even say from my personal experience, like in February, weeks after the Trump administration took office,

like I got multiple emails from universities outside of the United States inviting me to consider a position at their university for science. And like the letters, I mean, I don't want to put anyone on blast, but the letters were essentially saying like, obviously there's no way you can do conservation science under the current regime, but we will support you. We will be innovative. You don't have to fundraise. You know, your family is welcome. You can have students. I mean, like your dreams could come true. Come on over. It was explicit that not only did they want me and people like me, but they knew that me and people like me needed to

continue our important work for the world and the rest of the world is ready for that. Yeah. I mean, here and there I've been recruited for jobs, so this was super direct and speaks to a potential brain drain. I mean, we've read about other scholars from top universities who have taken positions in other international universities just because they will not accept

how their university is adapting, you know, to the Trump administration, or they're afraid that they won't last there because of resources. Right. Yeah. Every time I read about that, it feels like sports where a team hears, it's like, hey, their star players are unsettled.

Maybe we can come in and holler. And then suddenly they're like, oh, you knew about me? They're like, oh, yes, yes, yes. We've been very interested in your work for a very long time. In terms of like, because I hear brain drain and I sort of get all the smart people leave in what can you help me, someone who is dumb really kind of wrap my head around like what those like the domino effects are. Like I get that, yeah, all of this research now is happening elsewhere.

So then maybe we're not the first to it. And maybe that has some kind of financial thing, but also like existentially What does that mean for like our quality of life when all of our top minds just head for the exits? well, I mean I will say like examples from other countries that are not the United States it means that You know kind of economic development within that country really stalls, right? So like the innovation and yeah, the innovation that has the potential in that country stalls, but also even the educators, right?

Because if people who experience extreme education leave for a different country, then the educators themselves are also like kind of subpar or, you know, and so then the people educating the kids, like, and the educators themselves are also like kind of subpar. And so then the people educating the kids, it's just like this constant cycle that a lot of countries can stay in. I can't say for the United States, because the United States has been number one in a lot of different things for a century.

And so- Often driven by breakthroughs from people who weren't born in the United States. Thank you, hello. And so it's difficult to say what it would be. I will offer something a little bit hopeful when it comes to climate science or environmental science or wildlife conservation work. I think that if the work is being done somewhere, that that moves the planet forward because a lot of issues

are not about America like America's part of like North America a continent like like the lines are invisible they're made up like the political boundaries aren't real and so like if the work is being done somewhere it impacts the planet in this like solar system. Like it's like the extent, the scale of the issues is large, but the scale of the like American political systems influence on this is much smaller. So I often find myself being like, you know what, like, sure, I have, you know, dear friends that I went to grad school with who I just spent time with who are like, I was working at the White House just moments ago, blink my eyes, and now I'm being recruited to work in France on these exact same issues that impact

the planet. You know, so I'm encouraged that there are jobs waiting for people somewhere. Right, because it's not like science is done. Yeah, not everyone has the ability to like, just make that huge change and work elsewhere, right? So like not everyone can take those opportunities, but I'm encouraged that the work can still go on Yeah. All right. We should take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about something stupid instead. We'll be right back Talk about something stupid instead. We'll be right back. The Summer of 1993 was one of the best of my life. I'm journalist Jeff Perlman and this is Rick Jervis.

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We're back. Let's talk about Andy Byron, the CEO from the Coldplay kiss cam incident. So he stepped down, astronomer, their company, is that what it was called? Yeah. Astronomer quickly tried to save face by hiring Chris Martin's ex, Gwyneth Paltrow to be their temporary spokesperson. Just that I had a video. I've been hired on a very temporary basis to speak on behalf of the

300 plus employees at astronomer. I don't know like what they were trying to like communicate, basically like stop asking questions. Hold on, we got to see this. Thank you for your interest in astronomer. Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. Oh no. I'm here on a very temporary basis to speak on behalf of the 300 plus employees at astronomer. Astronomer has gotten a lot of questions over the last few days, and they wanted me to answer the most common ones.

Oh, my God, what the actual... ...the best place to run Apache Airflow. Okay, all right. I don't... No, no, I'm sorry, Gwyneth. I mean, part of me is like... I get sort of the internet culture of it all, but this also just seems so transparently like a dumb, let's try and make this a fun thing really quick and pay Gwyneth Paltrow,

who knows how much money for that. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Wow. Because she's famously consciously uncoupled from the villain in this story, if you ask me, Coldplay lead singer Chris Martin, who fucked up by calling out that those people were acting weird. He should have just kept it moving and been like, oh, never mind, nothing to see there. Let's find another couple who might be in love with one another who are actually holding

each other. There are widespread rumors that Byron is planning on suing Coldplay for emotional distress and invasion of privacy. Quote, he didn't consent to being filmed or publicly humiliated. He thinks Coldplay made him a meme. Andy, Andy, come on now. Which they did. Come on. But hold on, Andy.

We got to know things like reasonable expectations of privacy. You know, these are legal concepts. Do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy when you're in the middle of a stadium show in public? No. He's like, what about my legal right to creep on the low? That's being violated.

And I have to sue. Do you, this is, This is like a rumor. Is it happening? Because there's so many fake updates about this story. Did you read the supposed reply from his wife? Was that not a real reply? It read like some shit like Olivia Pope would say in scandal. It did read like it was some.

Yes. Yeah. But people were like, a lot of people like I had to go to Snopes to be like, is this real? And they're like, no, you fucking idiot. Am I allowed to jump in on this part? Oh, yeah. Yes. I mean, I was going to say, like, I, I imagine this has happened before,

like at a concert, at a sporting event, whatever it is, like, I'm going to be sitting at home watching a sporting event and see the kiss cam and be like, no way. Yeah. Like I imagine it's happened before. It just happened to this guy who has like money and power. Exactly. And he's embarrassed.

I mean, it's really fricking embarrassing. Like TikTok went crazy. That's embarrassing. But like dealing with your emotions of being publicly humiliated and embarrassed. Like, that's different than someone like committing a crime against you, right? Like, there's something illegal, right? I've been crimed against.

It sucks. Like his life is temporarily ruined. Yes. It sucks, like his life is temporarily ruined. Yes. And also, like, that's, I don't know, anyway, I like, like there's just something, you know, like they say, like, men will do anything except go to therapy, like men will sue cold play, except like repair the trust in their family, like relationships, you know. Or be able to like, yeah, articulate your needs to a partner or- Yeah.

Yeah. I do think. Yeah. Yeah. I think the money and power of that guy and like the head of HR for his company, like is such an important part of the story that frequently gets left out. Like as this is being covered, people are like, well, you don't technically have the right. And like they're comparing it. So they're comparing it to this story that happened to a guy who dozed off during a Yankees Red Sox game and ESPN just started lingering on him with the camera and the two commentators just started roasting his ass.

And we're just like, wow, this guy must be a fun guy to bring to the game. And like, well, I wonder what's going on with it. But like, no, it didn't take off. Like it didn't become a meme where everyone was like, ah, that guy is fucking sleeping. What a loser. He brought a lawsuit and they ultimately sided with the SPN because I feel like courts in America are just a way to side with the people who have the more money and power in a lot of cases. But also it's like, I mean, I don't know, I do not know about the law, but I feel like if you read the fine print when you buy your ticket to the game, like somewhere there it says, like, things are going to be recorded. Like, so you're opting into this, you know? And anyway, like in the, oh geez, like 2024, some part of the campaign,

I forget who was campaigning, but I think it was maybe a Kamala Harris event. There's all this rhetoric about childless cat ladies, like she's childless and blah, blah, blah. I think she was refuting that and she was like, and we're not Childless cat ladies or something and they like flashed to a woman a random woman in the audience Like just cuz they're everything. She says they're gonna flash to the audience But like it was like I don't know it was on my tik tok for a while

And even if we are childless cat ladies back to the woman Wait a second, why are you looking at me? Yeah, hold on. Why me right now? Right now? And even if we are childless cat ladies back to the woman. You know, and it's like- You there, you there. Yeah, like one of those things where it's like, I don't know if you're at a public thing that's being filmed for national television or for whatever. Like, you have to, I don't know. I just can't imagine it's not in the fine,

but that doesn't mean you can't be mad as hell. You can be really upset about it. You can be like serious. You can release a statement saying, I feel violated. I feel that like express your feelings and that's okay. But like trying to like recreate how society does concerts I think I personally think taking it too far also like you're waiting on your wife and so like And then made it so evident in your response

I do yeah Just like I know there's like legalities involved that I'm not like the person to answer but just like in the court of public like the person to answer, but just like in the court of public opinion, making fun of somebody for sleeping, like, which is like very vulnerable and like could be a sign of ill health and like they're just going to town on his ass. Like it feels much different than like a CEO. Like we've talked before, like I do connect this to like the Luigi Mangione story, the submarine implosion, and like all these things that are bubbled, the Epstein, like the obsession with Epstein thing, all these things that are like bubbling up in the news

where there's something that implicates or embarrasses the wealthy and the powerful, and there's just this like uproar of like attention and fascination and obsession with it. And the media is just like, huh, anyways, I guess they like embarrassing people. And it's like, no, they like embarrassing CEOs. They're mad. Everybody is furious at people with power because they know what they're doing to the

fucking world around us. Like they, and it's just this obliviousness, this feigned obliviousness by the mainstream media. I will say all the examples you gave are real, and they're all very male-centered. It's like this man did this, this man experienced this, this man, this man, this man, this man.

I believe that as a woman in today's society, like my attention is mainly elsewhere, but also as a woman in today's society, like, like, women generally are like more compassionate, like more community centered, like, like, I always try to envision like a near future where like, you know, women are the people in power in society. I'm not saying that things might be very different, but if you think about the way the media is about capitalizing on the embarrassment of folks, it's kind of like a hyper masculine, let's hurt people, let's make people feel bad, let's stick it to them. You've been owned. Like, oh, CEOs are problematic.

Instead of solving the problems, let's hurt them. And so I'm all about the problems. I want to deconstruct all of these systems and rebuild them. But I also hate to see people feeling sad or bad or hurt or embarrassed. And I think that there's so many ways that we could, we as a society could go about these things in another way. And I also believe that people love to see love and happiness in the media, right? Like when like, suddenly there's some story that is like lovely, you know, or like, that's why people go to like cute animals and stuff like that, like, like, it's just better.

And so I wish that that being good to each other, like, would rise to the top a little more than being nasty to each other. No, I think the like to that point about talking about like what the issues are, it's because we have such most Americans aren't able to like really articulate any level of class consciousness. So we get stuck at the, oh, the CEO, because we're not talking enough about how we are exploited for our labor by the hyper wealthy. And we are still divided along these, like the political lines and things and completely missing the forest for the trees in which it's like,

it's class consciousness. That's's community we all need to be looking upward you know not to make it about me and my work but exactly what you're saying shows up in wildlife conservation in terms of the people or the communities that are like against it and let's use the United States as an example I often if I'm traveling, like I have spent 15 years studying bears in rural North America. And if I'm traveling to places where like, oh, there's bears or potentially this could be good bear habitat. And there are folks, let's say cattle ranchers, you know, in rural parts of the West who live there,

who are against protecting habitat or just changing things to make it better for wild animals, it almost always comes down to class issues, to the fact that they are paycheck to paycheck, to the fact that their kids don't wanna take over the family business of running cattle and instead wanna go to a city or go to college and like do something else. Like it's a fact that like America used to support farmers in a different way than

they do now. It's a fact that their land is so degraded they don't know if they can have another harvest. Like it's so much easier to get angry at a grizzly bear or a wolf or a mountain lion than it is an economy, you know, or a system that is failing you. And so, you know, I find that like, you know, I've worked all over the world and where there are the biggest wildlife conservation issues is also where there is poverty. And it doesn't matter if it's like rural white Americans or parts of, you know, East Africa where I've been, but that matters. Places where there's very well-resourced communities, it's really easy to talk about saving animals.

It's very easy to be like, hey, if we do this, it'll help the ecosystem and save these endangered species. People are like, right on, I'm in. Anyway, I agree with you that we are not even as scientists, we are not trained to discuss the big picture issues that are impacting these small decisions about how to help a population of bears. Right, exactly. Because yeah,

the big macro argument about it is one like we're still, I mean, at least the mainstream media that most people consume every day is not equipped to actually inform people about. So yeah, like to the point we'll get very stuck on these like microscopic sort of controversies that feel like wins for like working people. Cause then like, well, at least this rich asshole's suffering because I'm suffering. And that's like, these are the wins we carve out because the real ones, we don't have enough leaders that are able to articulate what that fight is and

where our attention should be. So again, it's like, I'm sure this is like the kind of shit the Koch brothers love. They're like, yeah, bro, more of this, man. The more they're like being like this fucking guy and rather than get people getting together, it's like should working people be against the hyper wealthy and use our leverage as the workers to withhold our labor to maybe get some concessions from

the society that demands so much from us, but we get so little in return? I don't know. Fuck it. This guy's at the Coldplay concert. Look at him. Look at how stupid his face looks. I think that's an easier process for people to engage in because it's engaging because it's immediate. The feeling is immediate. The schadenfreude is immediate.

To think of like dismantling the systems like oppressive systems like capitalism is very abstract and I think requires a lot more education and sort of like experience, or not necessarily experience, but just to understand like, oh, this is a completely different kind of process and fight that we're going up against rather than like, can we get ha-has at the rich people? Yeah. Which do feel good to be honest.

We've lived in this system for so long at all. I feel like to a lot of people, it just feels unrealistic that there would, we don't even have the imagination to have the idea of like what it would look like to even like push back against that capitalist system Yeah, so what both of you are saying we're tired We like we want a laugh or we want something that like we can just joke around about We as a society and then also we were yeah we are born into every single person on this planet Earth was born into like the system and has

zero examples of, you know, like how to transform it. You know, there has been some societal transformation that's happened in the last century, which has been like incredible, you know, but like forward thinking, I mean, we're in a mess. And we're like, a lot of people are just doing their like, a lot of people are just doing their best. A lot of people are just doing their best. I think because we're so consumed with just having to toil to survive, a lot of those bigger picture issues, we just don't have the bandwidth to really consider. We always talk about it,

that's what the lockdowns did for a lot of people. Where for a second, the machine got turned off and people were like, wait, what the fuck? I think it's either that or we need a zombie apocalypse. Those are the two only options we have for moving the machine off. I don't want a zombie apocalypse. Every so often I see, I don't really watch a lot of those movies, but if I do, I don't know, I watched Sinners, obviously.

And most of the time I was distracted by how incredible the movie was. But every so often I was like, what would I do? I would totally freak out. I would cover myself with garlic and lock myself away. I don't want no problems. I do not, I don't cover myself with garlic and lock myself away. I don't want no problems. I do not. I don't know what I would. I would hitch a ride in a car and go far away. I don't want a zombie apocalypse. I am not equipped for that. I don't want to fight.

I do think a zombie apocalypse is our answer to trying to get a walkable city. That's why people fantasize about zombie apocalypse. And they're like, what if like, we just like had, could like walk everywhere and just like, but in big groups, but in big groups, like create community interests, the zombie hoard as the new nature, like there's always that scene where there's like a deer in the house or something like that, people like, God, that would be so tight. Well, Dr.

Ray Wing Grant, such a pleasure having you as always on the daily zeitgeist. Uh, where can people find you, follow you, watch you, all that good stuff? I'm so happy to say, well, first, thank you for having me because it's really awesome to chit chat with you guys and be very opinionated with you. I appreciate that. I'm very fortunate to say there's a lot of places where you can find me. So I host season four of my all-time favorite podcast is out.

It's called Going Wild with Dr. Ray Wing Grant. You can listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. It's hit podcasts with crazy stories that will blow your mind from people who work with wild animals, including myself. You can also find me every Saturday morning on NBC on the television show at co-host, which is called Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Protecting the Wild. So if you want to see me like swimming with sharks or like, know releasing bald eagles or playing with

spider monkeys and rainforests that is a place to go. You can also find me on social media at Rae Wyn Grant across all platforms and I have a book I have a wonderful book that I'm really proud of it's called Wild Life by me Rae Wyn Grant and the hardcover has been out since last year and the paperback comes out next month. Amazing. Lots of ways to find me and learn about my work. Go check it all out folks.

Was swimming with sharks cool? So cool. One of the goals we had for this episode of Wild Kingdom was to really show people that sharks are afraid of people. Great white sharks on down. Shark attacks are rare and there's usually a reason behind them, but sharks just exist. There's gazillions of them out in the ocean

and they are afraid of people. We did this also with our wolf episode. We're like, wolves are afraid of people. We'll prove it by being with them. And so swimming with sharks, I mean, we obviously didn't have bait, you know, with us, there was nothing to eat. Yeah, better that way.

And so we were in the middle of the Caribbean Ocean off of the Bahamas, I guess the Atlantic Ocean, off of the Bahamas and found a spot where they were doing some data collection on all kinds of sharks and we were in the open ocean, deep water with sharks. It was like it was a little scary, but it was also super, super cool. Sharks don't eat every day also. So it's like, anyway, I have like all these shark facts, but like if they're full, they're just mining their own business swimming around. Like they just, they're not like these like attackers, you know?

I know. Yeah. Every, I feel like every year during shark week, we always do our usual shame on you, Steven Spielberg. Yeah. Have you seen the shark week stuff they put out this year? Dancing with the sharks. Dancing with sharks.

It's so dumb. Do not consume a lot of wildlife content in my free time. This is not even wildlife. That's, that's a, that is so, that's euphemistic to even call this wildlife. This is, this is like nonsense. It is wild. Yeah, it is a wild. It's a wildlife we're living right now, man.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying beyond your own? Of course. Yeah, I think this counts. Beyonce. I think enough said. She obviously sings, but she is more than that. Her and her tour and her brand is extremely visual and provocative in the visuals. I was able to see her on tour a couple of times this year. You saw multiple cowboy carterships? I did. Okay, Dr. Ray.

Okay, listen, my first concert ever in my whole life was Destiny's Child when I was 15. Oh, wow. They were, and they were like 15. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And so, yeah, I don't miss a show. But anyway, that's what comes to mind first is I'm like all about Beyonce.

Did you think I saw the Cowboy Carter tour and I told Jack when I came back, I said, Jack, smoking is back. Because she's like smoking cigarettes and rock and bronze. But I was like, OK, cigarettes are back. You all Beyonce has announced it up and slow clapped it. I was like nudging my wife's cigarettes. They're back. I'm telling you, Beyonce, just she just you didn't see her doing no vape.

No, no, no, no, no, none of that. Would you hear about the thing that the hard drive got stolen at the Atlanta show with all her music on it? She had no music. I heard that. Yeah. I wonder what that process. Yeah, I mean, probably, yeah.

The CIA, whatever the Beyonce CIA probably was on that immediately. They're like, yeah, this person has probably got a handsome check or something. Or is- Belongs to the intelligence community now. Yeah, exactly. To quote Alex Acosta. Miles, where can people find you?

Is there work media you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at milesofgray. Find me talking about 90 Day Fiance on 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra. A couple, actually no, this one is just really good. This is just a post on bluesky at rusty54.beesky.social. It's a quote from Martin L. Darden says,

did you know why we can fly a helicopter on Mars but we can't keep the lights on in Texas? Because scientists are in charge of Mars and Republicans are in charge of Texas. Ooh. Get it? In your face, Republicans. Just like understanding, right? When you center that, the results can be really, it's like we can fly a helicopter.

What about y'all? What are y'all doing? Non-scientists, I can't keep light on. The lights are off. I'm making money though. I'm making money though. Tweet, I've been enjoying a ringworm on Twitter tweeted, every crew has the one homie who always gets whipped cream on the tip of his

nose when you go out for milkshakes. It's just true. Find me on Twitter at Jack underscore Brian on blue sky, Jack OB, the number one, you can find us on Twitter and blue sky at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode, wherever you're listening to it, and underneath the show description,

you will find the footnote, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Just more sweaty dance music. I got to move. It's summer.

You want to listen to stuff that gets your shoulders loose, your body moves. I can recommend Beyonce. I mean, yes, obviously. Now, you said she's a singer. I was only familiar with her acting work from the Austin Power sequel. Oh, or Carmen.

She has more than that. She has more than that. Did you see the hip Hoppera Carmen? There was also, wasn't there that like thriller that she did? Yeah. I did. I mean, as far as my fandom goes, I have not seen all of her movies. Yeah.

I've only seen the Austin Powers movies. Those are the only movies I've seen. That was with Idris obsessed with the. Yes. Oh my God. Obsessed. Yeah. Anyway, so we're going to go on this track

from the sort of electronic duo Bicep. And it's called, it's from this, the title is very convoluted. It's Chroma 008 Tangs. Because the album is called Chroma 008 and then they're using this naming convention

like we're dealing with files in a computer. Anyway, it's dope though. It's sweaty. It's gonna be something. It makes you kind of feel like every time I hear it, I feel like I'm watching a movie with some futuristic dance club where there's a bunch of future alien gangsters

and stuff in there, but it's got this, I don't know, crime equality to it that I really like. So anyway, this is Bicep with Chroma 008 Tangs. All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zite Guys, the production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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