The Daily Zeitgeist - SCOTUS Sucks And Not The Good Kind 04.23.24

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

In episode 1663, Jack and Miles are joined by public defender and co-host of 5-4 Pod, Rhiannon Hamam, to discuss… The Problem With SCOTUS, Too Much Money In Politics, Federalist Society = Movie Villains? The Fallout Of Citizens United, Legally Punishing The Unhoused, Is Trump IMMUNITY GOD? And more! Stadium High School Tweet from @TheWapplehouse LISTEN: Big Boys Don't Cry by ThandiiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 335, Episode 2 of Your Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it's also an ASMR podcast, officially. Okay, all right, yin-yang in this thing. to America's shared consciousness. And it's also an ASMR podcast officially. Okay. All right, yin yang in this thing. It's Tuesday,

April 23rd, 2024. Hey, a lot of things going on today. It's school bus driver appreciation day. Yes. Yes.

Thank you for being sober or at least to my eyes sober as you drove me to school. Present. Functionally sober. Yes, exactly. For the most part.

Giving me something to aspire to. National lost dog awareness day. Oh, that's sad. National cherry cheesecake exactly. For the most part. Giving me something to aspire to. National Lost Dog Awareness Day. Oh, that's sad. National Cherry Cheesecake Day. National Take a Chance Day. National Picnic Day. And National Talk Like Shakespeare, my lord, day. Oh.

That's all I could do. I can't speak an iambic pentameter, but I can say my lord. Like the vaguest of accents. I know. Oh, Talk Like the vaguest of accents. I know. Oh, talk like Shakespeare. He is doing a hand curl towards the front of his hat. We're just adding THs on the end of some words. Know that it is if.

Talketh like Shakespeareth day. Shakespeareth day. Miles, speaking of days, I would be remiss not to mention that we skipped right over because it was a weekend. We didn't record because we're lazy. We skipped over 420. Yeah, bro.

I know, bro. Yeah, bro. It's all about June 9th, bro. 69. You know, we've moved on from 420. So we moved on from 420. Fuck it. All right.

I mean, honestly, and I've said this on the show more and more, like it's diminishing returns after you hit the heights of 18 years old on 420. Like it'll never matter as much as it does when it's 18. It's like what New Year's is to alcoholics. That is to people who smoke weed. Yeah, it's like it doesn't matter. I'm drinking it every day anyway. Yeah, well, okay. Amateur matter. I'm drinking it every day anyway. Yeah, well, okay.

Yeah. Amateur hour. I am a functioning alcoholic. I drink before I get to work. Exactly. And these kids gotta get to school. Yes. My name's Jack O'Brien,

aka I saw the news today. Oh, boy. I had it printed from the internet. Can't bring my phone into a trial. Go get me a Big Mac and then I'll take a nap. Or alternately, go get me a Big Mac. And now we know how many Diet Cokes it takes a heart to stall. That aka courtesy of Shawty Pawnee on the Discord,

the alternate version, the 4,000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire verse from Steaming Chuck on the Discord. On a bit of a roll, Steaming Chuck, on a bit of a roll. Bit of a roll, aren't we? Shouts out to you both. And for ZyGang in general, someone was telling me how, like, British soccer anthems, british soccer crowds like get together and do like loose weird alifications of songs to like represent their players oh yeah and

i was like oh we do that on our podcast yeah our dumb podcast our brilliant listeners make less dumb by doing that for us no no these this. This is just terrorist culture. It's terrorist culture from the UK. That's what we're taking. Yes, it's all terrorist culture. Hoodlums. Yes, exactly. That's right. Ultras.

Yeah, because for Arsenal, there was our most famous manager, Arsene Wenger. We did it to the tune of Juan Tanimera. One Arsene Wenger. There's only one Arsene Wenger. There's only one. One Arsene Wenger. And it's easy because I think that's why I gravitated more towards European soccer because I'm like, bro, they're doing more shit than like defense.

They're like talking about, who's the wanker in the green? Because the referees wear green shirts. And it's just like, you know, anyway, it's all fun. It's all fun. Anyway, shout out to the Zeit gang. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray, a.k.a. I'm a Frickle Freak.

Frickle Freak. I love fried pickles. Yeah. Okay. Shout out, Clio Universe. Because, yeah, I told you, I'm a bit of a, I stand for the frickle. You know what I mean? The frickle?

The fried pickle. And look, I'm not ashamed. So, yeah, thank you for putting that into a Rick Jamification of that. Rick Jamification? I had fried pickles over the weekend at a footy match, LAFC, and they were bad. Yeah. They were not good. They promised Cheeto.

What's the spicy Cheeto? Flamin' Hot? Flamin' Hot. They promised Flamin' Hot Cheeto. Oh, they're doing too much. They were Flamin' Hot Cheeto. They're doing some work. They were Flamin' Hot Cheeto in color only. Yeah, yeah. No flavor.

Look, we'll do a Frickle Tour eventually. You know, the places I trust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Frickle Tour. Mm-hmm. All right, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by one of the hosts of the incredible Podcast 5-4, a show about all the ways the Supreme Court is a complete disaster. It's such a-

Also, a supervising attorney at Texas Law has worked as a public defender in Rio Grande City, Texas. Please welcome to the show, Rhiannon Hamad! Rhiannon! Hello! Do I sing? Am I going to do like a little jingle for myself? If you got one.

Yeah, I'm here. Smoke them if you got them. You're great. Hot Girl Summer coming up. There we go right all right predicted here here here my shoulders started moving a little yeah i was like shit yeah i'm feeling that one what's your what's your like the thing i always ask people and they're like should i sing like what's your karaoke go-to oh um i do have the go-to karaoke is always tlc no scrubs oh shit yeah you start there right like you can the sky's the limit after that yeah yeah but once you get going on that the vibes are

going on that your power is uh sort of centered in a no scrubs direction yeah karaoke is is boundless and that's brave because karaoke bars are usually full of so many scrubs. I can't imagine that's very popular. They start booing and hissing. Is she talking about me? But I'm a scrub. I do think I'm fine. And people, I'm also known to

be a buster. Oh, no. No, no, no. Sometimes I hang out the passenger side of my best friend's ride. I did get here fully hanging out the passenger side of my best friend's ride. I did get here fully hanging out the passenger side of my best friend's ride the whole time. I just get in the car and I'm hanging out the whole time. I had a friend who, when the song first came out, they could have swore they were saying, it's also known as a bus stop.

I was like, you need to hang out around different people. That sounds like a Joe Biden slang. Yeah, just call him the bus stop. Yeah, he's one of these scrubs. He's also known as a bus stop. Corn Pop was always hanging around the bus stop. I'm serious. He was a cannibal.

And I'm serious, man. I'm serious, man. No, we know you think you're serious. Right. No, you're not a serious person. Sure, sure, sure. In your brain, you think you're serious. Yeah, but I you're not a serious person. Sure, sure, sure. In your brain, you think you're serious. Yeah, but I mean that.

What I mean is I mean what I'm saying. Yeah, no, we know. We know. Why don't you sit down, though? We wish you didn't, but yeah. Because your ice cream is melting all over your suit, sir. It's just really unseemly. Just forget about his ice cream.

Could you imagine? I feel like that would do a lot of damage to his campaign. Just sloppy melted ice cream all over his suit. People be like, Oh, you know what? That was it for me. Somehow.

I think that's how they focus. They need that damage on top of like genocide or yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. The ice cream is going to, yeah,

he'll do. Yeah. Maybe he'll do that to distract from his lack of action there. And he's like, but I got his ice cream all over. Oh, more sloppy. Oh, poor me. But secretly, I'm really mad at Bebe.

Really, secretly. Not out loud. Yeah, yeah. Not out loud. No, of course. All right, Rhiannon, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Okay. First, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about.

5'4", just one of my new favorite podcasts. Okay. and evil. I didn't know the details. So I do want to go into Federalist Society and then we're going to talk about some, just like what the Supreme Court that brought, this Supreme Court brought to you by the Federalist Society is up to this week and just in general. But first, we do like to get to know our guests a little bit better by asking you, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? you. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay. You know, listen, a lot of these personal questions about like, what's on your mind right now? What do you think is underrated? That kind of thing. It's tough. I am Palestinian. There is a genocide happening. So like my internet, my like media intake, all of that is real focused

on all of that. But something that I did see in my Google search that is real focused on all of that but something that i did see in my google search that is really uh relevant and maybe not directly genocide related adidas track suits okay i'm ready i'm ready to be suited up in the three stripes down the arms down the legs i want it to be a bright color red yes maybe a poppin kind of lime green kind of thing yeah you know i just it's it's uh it might not be every hot girl summer vibe but it is my hot girl summer vibe the adidas track suit wait what brought you what brought you around on like the the break dancers uniform like the real hip-hop outfit you know it is also a kind of a Palestinian uncle vibe is Adidas tracksuit, right? That kind of thing.

And so, yeah, just going back to my roots, I guess we could say. There you go. Yeah. We all become our uncles at the end of the day. I played soccer, too. I played soccer really seriously for my youth. And so, yeah, that was the brand, you know? Yeah, for sure.

For sure. I started putting my seven-year-old in a just black Adidas tracksuit, like the one you're describing. Yes. And like the way that it transforms his energy, it's all stolen valor. He doesn't play soccer. Stolen valor. Hey, man, you a B-boy, right? Where'd you come up at?

He's like, yeah, doesn't play soccer, doesn't break dance yet. But it's really like that is a powerful article of clothes. I feel like I've always been a coward. I've only gone pant or jacket. Like I've never actually bought a full blown. Like one of my favorite, I remember eighth grade, I wore the fuck out of these gray Adidas three stripe pants that I had. Like to the point they were just gnarly.

But then I didn't have money for the matching jacket. So then later on when I was like, am I a full tracksuit guy? Then I felt bad because I knew a lot of breakers. And I was like, they're going to just flame me because I'm not a breaker. And now, you know what? I need to embrace the energy that is the old head three-stripe suit. But I feel like it's coming back anyway. Like it's just because everything's so cyclical.

Like it's, it's right. And everybody's wearing Sambas. The Sambas are back. Yeah. Those are crazy. I was wearing those in seventh grade. Right. Like not as a cool kid.

Right. That's, you know, the soccer nerd kids where they're like, yo, you're not even on the pitch and they wear it. They can't kick the shoe game. Okay. Yeah. Next, snap bracelets coming back. Then we're going to be all the way back. Yeah.

Great. What is something you think is underrated? Okay. You know, I gave a lot of thought to this as well. And I'm going to say having a crazy cat, underrated. I'm not a cat person, didn't think I was a cat person, but just recently got my first cat. She's orange. Her name's Petra. She is psychotic. She's truly psychotic. I can't say it's a rewarding experience, but there is something to it. A certain je ne sais quoi to coming home and there's

a little critter climbing up the wall, right? Just free solo, claws in the drywall, up and down the wall, right? Yeah. No, it really adds a little something to your day. So yeah, I would recommend everybody get a cat, mix up your daily the you know the chaos is coming from inside the house right for sure you know yeah climbing up the walls that sounds like uh i just saw a security deposit go poof thinking i didn't know i didn't know that orange cats are in particular crazy oh yeah apparently they are and i am living living it. So there is proof. I can confirm. Yeah, right, right. Scaling the curtains, scaling the walls. Wow.

Yeah, yeah. So not Garfield crazy, but crazy in a different way. No. Like a little bit more energy. Not eating lasagna all the time. Yeah, there's a little bit more chaos to it rather than the kind of 420 Garfield. Right, right, right. Have you, like, because I'm, yeah, I have cats too.

And they were just shredding up like our furniture so like people were like you know like you could declaw them like i'm not doing that are you kidding me no no way but i did we did put the little rubber finger tip things on the claws and i don't know if it was worth the effort of trying to basically give a cat a manicure uh cats manicures on like both of their front paws. But yeah, we gave up on that pretty quickly. We're like, you know what? Maybe just fuck the couch up.

Like if that's what you want to do. The couch is yours now. You're right. I bought it for you. That was stupid of me. Yeah. To have this. I've discovered that double-sided tape.

She really doesn't like it. But then your couch has double-sided tape on it. There's just a little trim of popcorn around the bottom of your couch. Like it's Santa's suit covered in popcorn and pennies. I don't know why pennies, but... Just good couch stuff. That's couch stuff. That's stuff you find in couch.

What is something you think is overrated? My answer is for this. I don't want people to scream at me. I was like instantly my body my heart my mind went taylor swift but i can't say that people are gonna be so so mad at me on the internet this this crowd's used to it yeah but yeah all right so you know taylor swift obviously then i was like no i can't say that well what's the next thing that's like overrated well democrats the democratic party they fucking suck right now people who like them are weird but then i don't want people to yell at

me about that either you know so um they're pretty cool about that they take they take criticism pretty well i feel what do you mean i'm maga what does blue maga mean and so uh you know what i've landed on? Overrated podcasting. There you go. Sitting in my damn closet once a week, speaking into a Zoom, you know? Yep. Once a week, that must suck. You must not have much going on. Well, that's the thing too. Overrated podcasting. I have a podcast. I also have a job. Right. So, yeah, it's a lawyer job on top of that.

So, yeah, man, I'm exhausted. I'm tired. That's a lot. That is a lot. But it also makes your show so great. Like, all the hosts have legal backgrounds. Yeah. Functional ones.

Yeah. Not just like. Functional legal backgrounds. I could have passed the bar, but I was like, dude, I don't need to do this. I just need to prove to my parents I could go to law school. Anyway, but I'm basically. I took the LSAT three times. Wow.

Welcome to my legal podcast. Don't worry about it. Yeah. And I never did as good as I thought I should have. Dude, to me, an amicus brief is when my homies text me, what's up tonight? You feel me, dude? That's what I know what's up, dude. That's where I'm at legally.

That was really good. I did feel it. So where are we on the pronunciation of amicus brief? I've always gone amicus. But okay. Amicus, yeah. I feel like one of the hosts pronounced it in a different way. Oh, you know what?

Yeah, for plural. So plural amicus is amici, but some people say amici. That's C-I-M-I-C-I. Also my favorite pizza place. Yeah. Oh, amici? Hard C? Yes.

Damn. We're all over the map on this one. Yeah. I've always heard it amici, but I think who you're talking about on the podcast, my co-host Michael, who sometimes comes with Latin pronunciations that are just, yeah, from outer space. Never heard it before. But this is how it was pronounced in ancient Rome. So that's where we're going with. We're not going to get laughed at by them. I'm telling you that.

I'll be laughed at by everyone, but not my Latin professor. But not Cicero. No. Yes. All right. Should we take a break and come back and talk about the Fed Soc, which I now know that Fed Soc means the Federalist Society? Yeah. Let's do that. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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And we're back. We're back. And I highly recommend everybody, upon completing this, go check out the 5-4 and specifically the Federalist Society history. It's, it's, yeah, I'm just going to keep going. It's, it's, it's, and I think that communicates plenty, but I guess, so I always found it amazing, mind blowing that there was in the earliest 20th century, something called the business plot where a bunch of industrialists and business people tried to recruit a u.s general to overthrow fdr's government and just be like not we're we fuck with fascism and like we want better conditions

for businesses and it was unsuccessful but it was so brazen so out in the open and just so like counter to whatever like what america is supposed to stand for that. It just seemed like wild to me when I learned about that, like 10, 15 years ago. was that and they just stuck with it and have basically succeeded in doing what those people like what those the uber wealthy were trying to do in the early 20th early 20th century like even early funders of the federalist society were like the melon like billionaires you know like that gilded like literally gilded age money monsters who were probably involved in the business plot, got the Federalist Society off the ground. And now we live in basically like what the business plot would have liked America to look

like, it feels like. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the Federalist Society, I think people like listening to this, like you might be familiar with like the term. They know that the Federalist Society is an organization, especially when Trump was president and was making his nominations to the Supreme Court. It like came out that Trump was saying explicitly, yeah, the Federalist Society is providing me with these names. Right. I got the I got the short list for Amy Coney Barrett and Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. Those came to me from the Federalist Society. So I think people have a sense of like, well, who the fuck are these guys, right? They're just list makers like BuzzFeed, you know? Yeah, they do listicles. That's right. Number three will make your heart flutter.

Number three will make your heart flutter. But what we talk about on 5-4 is how the Federalist Society is really kind of like the judicial wing of the Republican Party. Now, the Federalist Society as an organization, it bills itself, kind of presents itself. They call themselves a debate club. They say they're a network of conservative attorneys, judges, conservative legal academics, professors, right? And they say that they're just there to like talk about ideas, debate ideas in, you know, conservative legal spaces, that kind of thing. Bring together all kinds of conservatives so we can debate. And sometimes we bring liberals in too, so that we see the other side and stuff like that's how they talk about themselves. Right. And the Federalist Society, this organization,

they have student chapters at law schools all around the country and were, in fact, ostensibly kind of started as a student organization at Yale and the University of Chicago in the early 80s. Yeah. But it is One of those grassroots student organizations funded by billionaires. That's right. Exactly. So they have all the best food at their meetups. Right, right. You peer behind the curtain one step

and you see that this is not a student organization. This is not a debate society. This is, like I said, this is the judicial wing of the Republican Party. This is the legal services provider for the Republican Party and for the conservative legal movement. So any conservative legal mission or goal, right, overturning Roe v. Wade, the crushing of the administrative state, Federalist Society lawyers, Federalist Society professors, Federalist Society judges are all on the same page about all of this stuff and working in this network to bring those cases to the Supreme Court and effectuate those kind of like conservative legal goals. Because the Republican Party has realized over the past 50 years, the Republican Party has realized that its policy goals are minoritarian. They are not popular. They actually wouldn't win if real democratic processes were in place to vote on

what they want. So they have to use the judicial branch to reach their policy goals. Yeah. And they're doing it to an extent where I mean, now,, everyone's just like, what is the Supreme Court now? I mean, I get that there were ideologues in the Supreme Court in years past, but I think, obviously, now that it's like, bro, there's legitimate? Do we, how do we contend with it? And yeah, like to your point, it's, they're basically what, once some freaky billionaires like, how do I get this done? And like, oh yeah, we'll, we'll figure out a way, even if we have to make up a victim to bring to the court and they won't even really, you know, really pry into that. I mean, the last few cases were like, this person isn't even a web designer and they're trying to act as if like she's suffering damages or something by this law. And you're like, fucking how? And you get that there's a whole machine, there's an apparatus, a machine, a whole thing pushing this off. Yeah, that's the case. 303 Creative, really, really good example of how like the federalist society the conservative legal movement and now six fucking maniacs on the supreme court are are are dealing with their issues that they you know it's like we call it results oriented like they know the result that they want out of a case right and they'll get there no matter what yeah just comporting their

brains yeah exactly yeah yeah i thought. I thought they called balls strikes. That's what, wait, what? Yeah, they call balls strikes. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's right. They see balls, they call it a strike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's a strike.

What? The only aspect of the story that made me hopeful was, like, how successful they've been. Like, the history of the Federalist Society shows how quickly things can change. Now, granted, like things have changed for the worse, like in a huge way, like just compared to the 70s when this takeover kind of first started, like guns were not mentioned in the Republican Party's like platform until like 76. Prior to that, everyone was kind of like, yeah, no, the Second Amendment is about militias like it like it says in the Constitution, which we're supposed to be like into, I guess, as a party. And like there's a quote from a conservative justice who calls like the Second Amendment thing that we're

all familiar with and like i came up assuming was like a permanent part of the republican party there's like a conservative justice who's like calls it the greatest fraud they've ever heard like if they can so i don't know yeah it just if they can shift things that far that quickly, like maybe we can shift them back to where they were like in the 70s, like in some of these cases where it's just gotten so much worse because of them. But I don't know that that was like the thing that I found. One of the most startling things I found about it was just how much they have changed and how quickly it it's happened yeah like it shows the power the federalist society's success the success of the conservative legal movement more broadly like it shows the power of like building a movement like organizing like yeah taking taking court seriously right like it's not it wasn't like magic that did it. It was that like people coalesced around their common interest in opposing the New Deal, the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement and movements to expand democracy. We can say, right. They didn't like that. And so they started to organize against it. They made connections with politicians,

all of that stuff. And over, like I said, over the past 50 years, like they are now, you know, kind of living in the world that they built, like living with their successes. And unfortunately, they're still full steam ahead because they're an incredibly powerful movement now. But I think you're exactly right, Jack. Like people will, especially law students, will ask us when we go to law schools and talk about this stuff, law students will ask us, they're hopeless. They're despondent. They're like, this world is unacceptable. How on earth do you fight back against the Federalist Society? And I think that's because like a lot of young people, like you just you you have come up into your adulthood in like a Trump presidency, like everything awful, like institutions just completely illegitimate on their face, corrupt. And you're just like, how do you fix this? Right. But taking a step back, it's exactly

like you said, Jack, like politics can actually move quite quickly and it just means that like movements need to be built we also can organize ourselves against what they're doing right and there are lots of different methods that actually like it's not about like building a response twin organization of the federalist society to oppose the federalist society right it's about like recognizing like you know if you're interested in social justice twin organization of the Federalist Society to oppose the Federalist Society, right? It's about like recognizing like, you know, if you're interested in social justice, if you're a movement lawyer, all of these people like we have power that is very different from a billionaire funded my case to go to the Supreme Court, right? And we should be using it, right?

And those things can happen very quickly in politics. Historically, they've happened very quickly. So this is not like, you know, the end is not written like the Federalist Society as it is today is not the world that we live in forever now. Like we can do something about it. Yeah. Like things have been flowing right now. I think if you're younger than you, you've been caught up like you've only known peak Federalist Society power. Exactly. I don't how the fuck does this change but like anything yeah things opinions change and movements begin to form and yeah i i think this is i mean i think because of the like depravity of the supreme court it's it's doing the thing of like naturally

beginning to radicalize people or at least bring people into a level of consciousness about okay so wait what how okay and they are able to get there. Why? Because they're like corporations are now treated as people and can also spend unlimited sums of money that is actually affecting the legislative process. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I think, yeah, to that end, I feel like we're just, I mean, we talk about this all the time when we look at younger people. I'm like, when I was in college, I was like, I was engaged, but not to the degree that I even see people that are in high school are now because the stakes are just completely different for them. So there is like this

double-edged sword thing here where with the fuckery comes increased knowledge. But yeah, it's definitely a difficult time to be existing. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's about like seeing where where power is right now and how we can transfer power. Right. So right now it's like not about like building the most powerful liberal legal organization to counter the Federalist Society. It's actually about saying like the Federalist Society has too much fucking power in our politics and in our law making and in, you know, in the judiciary, the Supreme Court has too much fucking power. And so, you know, things like structural reforms, movement building that shift power to the people who should have it, workers, consumers, the people, right? Democratic structures of government. That's where that's where our focus should be. Yeah. I was thinking about that too, right? Like, you know, I guess I was,

we will talk about like what we could do later on, but it's come up pretty naturally now is like, you know, most people look at it and go, what can we do? Like, if it like, like all these people are screaming and shouting that they don't want X, Y, or Z, but they just don't care. And I get that one version is to build up the people power to do something like that. And then the other version too is if we want things like term limits or if we want to pack the courts, we need legislators to do that. And that means we have to count on them because based on what I've seen, our legislators move at a pace that could be described as heroin snail. And so that does make me a little bit weird. But how do you look at that? Because I think that is one of the ways to like we do need legislation that

actually arises like that intersects with the justices out of place that they know that, oh, like that intersects with the justices out of place that they know they're like, oh, okay, these are new rules now. Yeah. But how, like, how do you sort of look at that? And what, what do you see as being like more effective versus the other? Or if we should just be like, no, no, no. Like if we're patient, maybe this will work. Yeah, no, no.

It's not about patience. It's about like, like doing some real shit. Right. And doing some real shit kind of like across the board, across all of, we should be using all of the tools that we have for this. So when, like I said, we should be decreasing the power of the Supreme Court. How do you do that? There are lots of ways. Some of the things that you've just described are really good ways that like we should be pursuing. So packing the court, making the court bigger, making the number of

justices bigger on the Supreme Court decreases the power that each individual justice has, right? It spreads power over a bigger body, meaning Sam Alito, the fuckface Brett Kavanaugh, the psycho Clarence Thomas don't have that like that the the the power that's currently consolidated in them right now packing the court is a really really is a really great way to decrease that power and that's kind of like what you're talking about with this kind of like short-term long-term thing right we should be using like the short-term avenues that are available to us in building a long-term where the Supreme Court the Federalist Society corporations have less power over all of us, right? Term limits. That's a really good idea. I think there are tons of ideas for structural

reform of the Supreme Court. And we should be like talking about all of them. That's when it comes to the politicians, right? It's a failure of the Democratic Party that the Republicans, the Federalist Society, the conservative legal movement has taken the court so seriously for decades now. And they've won what they've won. And they are like rolling around in the pigsty shit that they've created. And they love it. They're partying. Right.

And Democrats still are not taking the Supreme Court seriously. Still not saying, hey, we need to reform this. Hey, we need to we need to be doing our politics around this, too. Right. What like what's the fear of the Democrats to legislate the courts? Like what? You know, because I get part of it, too, is like at the same time, both parties still serve corporate interests to a certain extent. So like obviously they're like, you know, like maybe go that maybe there's just the will of the donors aren't there or what? Or is just historically that there's just this like aversion to it. But that's the one thing I see is like things happen.

And then you'll see people like Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi like, you know what, we got to do something about the Supreme Court. Just not now. And I don't know when, but I'm going to say that out loud because that's what we do as a party. I mean, I think the thing I always hear them say is that if they packed, if Democrats packed the court when they're in office, won't the Republicans just pack the court back at them? And if so, like, who does that benefit overall? I guess.

Yeah. Yeah. OK, so I have two thoughts about this. One is like the historical thing in history. Pressure on the Supreme Court by the other branches of government works. So most famously, probably the most famous example is FDR in the 1930s, early 1940s, and with Congress is passing all of this New Deal legislation, right? Getting people jobs as a communist, getting people jobs, getting people to work, outlawing child labor, you know, more rights for workers, supporting unions, all of that kind of stuff. And the Supreme Court at that time was conservative and was striking down all of that legislation left and right.

What did FDR do? FDR threatened to pack the court. He was like, I'm about to add justices if you guys don't get in line. And what did the Supreme Court do? They got in line. They started they stopped striking down that legislation so that new deal legislation could actually go into effect so there are historical analogs here like we could be looking at at that for historical analogs for democrats actually using the fucking political power that they have right and so there's that and then the other thing that i was going to say to your point, Jack, about like this counter argument that Democrats will be like, well, Republicans will pack the court if we pack the a reality that is a Republican packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary. When Trump was in office, he nominated 25 percent of the current federal bench. All federal district court judges were nominated by Donald Trump. That's because that Republican president took the judiciary seriously and was

like, oh, we have all these spots to fill. Let's go. Right. So we live in the world that is already a Republican packed court, a Republican packed judiciary. And so Democrats should be taking that seriously as as sort of a method. Again, one of the tools that they have. And because the result would be that when Republicans pack the courts, the results are power is consolidated in the wealthy, in corporations, etc. If Democrats would pack the courts, the results would be people have more power, workers have more power, women have more power, minorities have more power. That's very hard to take away once it's given right so the threat but i don't know a generation two generations from now that then republicans would come back

and pack the court and if democrats packed the court first that is so remote like let's actually do something with the power that we have to give power to more people. And that is doing politics. That is doing good governance. Right. And yeah, I'm not I'm not worried about Republicans packing the court in 50 years. I'm worried about the Republican packed court right now. Right. Yeah. Because it's there. It's like it's more of the Democrats are unpacking than packing. Exactly. They're just letting it being packed, really. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. The last thing that I just wanted to cover on the Federalist Society is there's been this narrative of, well, the conservatives, now that they overturned Roe, are kind of like the dog that caught the car.

And it's kind of this hopeful thing of like, yeah, but that was all they cared about, right? And now they accomplished that. It's unpopular. They're kind of fucked. What are they going to do? And I think you specifically framed it as like the Federalist Society is a service provider to the Republican Party. Like they will move in accordance with whatever the Republican Party wants. Like the gun thing didn't start with the Federalist Society. It started with like Reagan and, you know, the Republican Party kind of adopting some of the NRA. And then the Federalist Society was like, all right, well, we are the judicial wing, as you said, of the Republican Party.

So we're just going to get in line. as you said, of the Republican Party. So we're just going to get in line. So they are going to be, you know, as Trump, you know, continues to wield power or, you know, let's say he wins the next election, they are going to be a fascism machine. Like it's not going to be a thing where they're like, all right, well, this is a bridge too far. I think like January 6th, the fact that they wouldn't like ratify a separate set of electors like the Supreme Court, I think may misled me to be like, so the Supreme Court like ultimately is not going to just go along with Trump's bullshit. But like a lot of people in the Federalist Society who like put those justices on the Supreme Court were like guns blazing, like January 6th, like election overturning, like conspiracy theorists, like that one of the founders was like, guys, this is too much. Like Trump shouldn't be allowed

to run for president. And they were like, you can't call yourself the founder anymore. They took away his title. Yeah, they took away his title. And he was like, I can't call yourself the founder anymore. They took away his title. Yeah, they took away his title. And he was like, I'm sorry, I like Donald Trump again. January 6th was tight. But it's just like, I do think the near future is just as dangerous. And, you know, there are a lot of really dark possibilities with the Federalist Society, just as much as like the recent past. Yeah, yeah. You know, we said that the Federalist Society, you know, provided the list

for Trump for who he was nominating to the Supreme Court. Those justices, in fact, the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court right now are currently members of the Federalist Society or have been at points in their past. Just want to make it clear, like this is, this is a network that is like, this is a network that's promoting from within its own ranks. These are their own people, right? And there's not a separation. There's not a separation. There is not a separation between the Federalist Society and the people on the Supreme Court. Yeah, I think January 6th is like a really interesting like moment in history, I guess you could say, for the Federalist Society, because I think January 6th is like a really interesting, like, moment in history, I guess you could say, for the Federalist Society, because I think that if we're kind of calling

the Federalist Society like a party, a political party, it's not officially, but if we think about it like that, they learned lessons from January 6th, right? And I think a really big lesson they learned was that, you know, they can, as they were in January 6th, leading up to January 6th and afterwards in all of the litigation, whether it was Trump's fraud claims about votes, whether it was about, you know, states certifying their electors, all of it. Federalist Society lawyers had their hands on all of that. We're directing all of that. There are Federalist Society lawyers who actually took part in planning

the January 6th stuff specifically. But I think the lesson learned was that the public at large probably was left with a bit of distaste about the actual coup part. Yeah. Right. The actual invasion of the Capitol part.

Right. Whereas the Federalist Society could have, and I think now has learned the lesson, that it can still be behind the scenes doing all of the legal machinations, all of the legal stuff, the legal work that needs to be done to effectuate the result that they want, which is Trump winning the presidency next time. Right. And so, yeah, I think they've learned that lesson and they know that the messy coup literal riot part was maybe something that kind of made it overall unsuccessful but they know that they have allies on the court up and down the federal judiciary the lawyers have been working on this stuff for years meaning like

what kind of cases to bring they're ready for the litigation right and yeah they're the federalist society has always been really good at at at this exactly the behind the scenes work where they're not saying like the federalist society is bringing this case. The Federalist Society isn't suing anybody. It's people in this network, right? Yeah. They don't give up. They try and try. And, you know, they were trying to overturn Roe for decades. And then they just kept trying different things until they found a strategy, packing the court with Federalist society people to that actually worked exactly so yeah that this isn't going to stop until an alternate force is put to work that stops it and counterbalances it yeah and you know like a lot of legal analysts or journalists media

at the time that dobbs came down which overturned ro Roe v. Wade, a lot of commentators were like, oh, well, what's the Republican Party going to do now? What's the Federalist Society going to do now? They won. They achieved their big project of overturning Roe. And now it seems like they're going to be kind of disorganized and they don't really know what they're working on now. False, false, false, false, false. So false. they achieved their big project and then our side was like checkmate assholes like wait what wait you just took us to fucking y'all going after ivf embryos too now right exactly like a moose boosh homie right so it's like again if we're thinking of them as kind of like a political party like now it's more like a normal political party where there's different bowls of interest,

less focused on the one single issue that they did coalesce around over, you know, since Roe v. Wade, since the early 70s. But they have tons of energy, tons of political will. And again, what they're working on is even more fascist stuff coming down the pipeline. And it's all centered, not just their opposition to Roe v. Wade and abortion rights. It's all centered on their opposition to the New Deal, to the civil rights movement, to the women's rights movement, and to expanding democracy. So the wildest, most fascist shit you can think of legally, they're working on it right now. It's absolutely coming down the pipeline, whether that's like rolling back protections for women and queer people, whether that is saying you don't have a right to contraception, whether, you know, we're talking about like prisoners rights, the rights of criminal defendants, all kinds of stuff. They are absolutely still working on on it they are not disorganized now that they quote-unquote won overturning roe v wade i think the only part that i think they're like

conflating what the aims are of the federalist society and like the broader conservative judicial movement with like the electoral politics of people that are down ballot of trump who are like oh i don't know what to do now it's like yeah sure in that narrow sense yes exactly it's difficult now to campaign but in terms of like a movement like we're already seeing, it's like they want to basically they really want to go back to the 19th century. Yeah. At best, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the Federalist Society being that service provider. So you best believe they are hooking up with Republican and conservative politicians and being like, here's what you can campaign on. We're working on this. This is what donors care about right now. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Sarah

Marshall from the podcast you're wrong about talks about how the right wing takeover of media and of politics over the past like 50 years has been very similar to like the panics that the right wing was having about like communism like the red scare and like satanism and so like it's been this you know smaller like minority group that has imposed its ideals through yeah just like behind the scenes infiltration and all the shit that they were worried about like i feel like their concerns around the satanic panic and like the red scare were just like them telling on themselves or giving themselves ideas about like how how to do this shit yeah yeah the republicans conservatives in general especially social conservatives

they'll they're they're really good at making the issues they care about into culture war bullshit right like really firing up a base yeah really like yeah firing up this moral panic about stuff and then when you like take a step back you're like hey people voting like you're talking about mail-in ballots like what what you know so yeah yeah yeah that's uh as tried and true tale as old as time for sure yeah all right let's take a quick break and we'll be back to talk about uh what's happening on the supreme court this week we'll be right there a lot i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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it seems bad not good yeah a lot on the line this week uh and who better i'm like i'm like just i want to pick rihanna's brain with a few cases that we've seen kind of begin to bubble up over the last few months the first one is grants pass uh the city of grants pass in oregon they're basically arguing and please correct me if i'm wrong, essentially that cities will have the ability to punish people for having nowhere to sleep. That's like to say that, like, if you are if you have a if you're sleeping outside or putting up a tent, whatever, that is now that's there's nothing to protect you. Not even the Eighth Amendment, which I guess I mean, I was like, which cruel and unusual punishment was that protecting us from? Because it's not U.S. capitalism, for sure. But like, is that I mean, I feel like the very distilled version of that I get is the Supreme Court is now going to basically come down on whether or not sleeping outside is a crime. I think that's maybe pretty broad. But how should we be looking at that? Because this feels like this has a lot of ramifications for many people who live in cities. looking at that, because this feels like this has a lot of ramifications for many people who live in cities. Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. Like that, that is the essential like distillation of what's happening here. So yeah, people who are unhoused, sleeping outside, and in some cities,

states, what have you, you can be criminally charged for that. Now, I think in Grants Pass, it's a ticket, right? Like, it's not necessarily that you, you know, can go to prison for this, but it is a ticket, a citation that is under the law, a punishment. If you have to pay a fine for something, that's a punishment, right? So the Supreme Court here is deciding, you know, if you are punishing somebody for being unhoused, is that cruel and unusual? And I think the specific setup actually in this case is, you know, there are cities where maybe you can get a ticket for, they call it, a lot of places call it public camping, right? You're camping on public grounds in a park, under a bridge, that kind of thing. There are cities where you can get a ticket for public camping, or the police can come and take down your tent and trash your belongings.

And that's super, super messed up, obviously. But in a lot of cities, they they have shelter beds. There is enough sort of emergency housing or housing for unhoused people that people aren't forced to do public camping in Grants Pass. aren't forced to do public camping. In Grants Pass and in the cases from the Ninth Circuit that are the ones going up to the Supreme Court in this case, the issue, for example, like in San Francisco, is that San Francisco has police go tear down homeless encampments, but there aren't enough beds in San Francisco. There aren't enough shelter space. There isn't enough shelter space where those unhoused people can go. So it's in that kind of like specific legal situation that is like, is this cruel and unusual? Now, unfortunately, I hate to break the bad news, but the Supreme Court sucks. Wait, I thought you said the Supreme Court sucks?

Yeah, it is. Sucks in like a bad way? How do they like, how do they get away with the Supreme thing? Supreme always means superior means superior means all the toppings all the toppings yeah unfortunately supreme sucking in this yeah in the in this realm but um yeah no there's no expectation here that the supreme court is going to be like yeah this is cruel and unusual punishment you are violating these people's constitutional rights when you punish them for essentially being unhoused.

Right. Yeah. Because you hear what the proponents say. And it's like such like just inhumane bullshit where they're just like, well, I mean, it's really quite simple. It's like we need to help our law enforcement figure out if they even have the ability to help keep our cities safe. And then like completely skirting. And then you hear that really bad talking point. It's like some people just want to be out there, like even if they have help without actually talking about like the condition some shelters are in. For some people, it's like, yeah, I'd rather take my chances on the street

than go to the shelter because of X, Y, and Z threat I have there. But again, it's mostly lost. And like, do you want to help like police make our city safer? And it's really just about that. Like it really chamber of commerce and yeah right people local businesses when in doubt they're going to i mean especially now following citizens united where like corporations are have more rights than individual people anything that's like well this lowers our property value or our ability oh god, God, really? Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you. But oh, my God, your property value. Yeah. Yeah. Like that

is more important under the current rules. Yeah. I think like a big kind of takeaway of this case or not even a takeaway, but like this case is a good example of something, which is that social problems, the problems in our society often end up going to the Supreme Court, where, you know, if you're on the side of social justice, if you're on the side of welfare for people, if you're on the side of equality and justice, that's that's the social problem is policing. The idea that public safety, quote unquote, is about tearing down unhoused people's tents, right? And the existence of homelessness to begin with. The housing crisis in America is a social problem, right? That is not going to be solved by this case. And yeah, it's a good example of politicians and people not coming together to work on actually solving those issues and just making it a police, a law enforcement issue, taking it up and down the federal judiciary to the Supreme Court and

back again. And nothing really gets solved, right? People are still unhoused. That's a problem. Yeah. But then for them, it's like, well, at least legally now we can brutalize them. However, exactly. Exactly. The guys of we're actually keeping them safe because some of them don't. You know, it's like it's so unserious. And then this I mean, this next one, I think is probably going to get the most attention, even though there's also obviously the Idaho abortion ban is something that the court is going to hear and also like starbucks like like will you help with union bust amongst many other things which i'm sure they're going to be like oh yes my good yeah my good starbucks right up there yeah like starbucks versus a union like oh my god is the national labor relations board go off their fucking rocker? Yeah, I think so. I think we need to yank the leash a little bit today here. But the other one is Trump immunity God. You know, that was, I think like with this one, from I'm guessing, right, and especially everything I've heard,

this case really isn't going to go anywhere because Trump's team is essentially arguing a president cannot face charges for anything without first being impeached and convicted by Congress. If that doesn't happen, they can kill. They can do murders with SEAL Team 6. And it's like, what? But I feel like here, the victory for him was the fact that they were like, OK, but we're going to delay our decision so that can gum up the rest of your legal trials here. That kind of what's going on? That's a hundred percent right.

And it's also not just his legal team delaying, right? The Supreme court is helping. Right. Exactly. So yeah. Right. Cause they would have,

right. Normally it would have been open and like, even the Supreme court would be like, come on fam. Cause that means Joe Biden could do whatever the fuck he wants. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

So yeah, this all has to, this, this actually does come out of January 6th. You know, Jack Smith, special counsel, brought an indictment against Donald Trump, criminal indictment for the coup plot, basically. And this this lawsuit, Trump's lawyers are saying, well, no, you're actually immune from being sued or from criminal prosecution. Any legal actions against you while you are president right that is obviously a wild argument because again like you just said

it okay so because i'm on base nobody can touch me i'm invincible i have the invincibility medal can the president murder like no surely not right like the president is not absolutely immune that's what the lawyers are kind of saying because i remember what was the lower court that first heard them they're like hold on let me get this right you just so he could he could hit up seal team six just snuff somebody out and they're like oh i mean yeah yeah it is this is like getting in the weeds but you know the president does violence. Of course.

Being the president. Right. Obama ordering drone strikes. Was Obama doing murder? They're all war criminals. Right. They're all war criminals. But yeah, this this this lawsuit kind of like on its face.

Yeah. The Supreme Court. I don't think anybody thinks the Supreme Court, even these Supreme Court justices, I don't think anybody thinks they're going to be like, yep, you're right. The president is immune from everything while the president is in office. But the little tricks they're doing is about the delay so that this case doesn't actually get decided at a time when it really matters, right? Which is to say before the election. So the Supreme Court granted cert, which means they accepted the case. They said they would hear the case. They granted cert months after they could have. And then when they said they would

hear the case, they scheduled the oral argument for the end of April when they could have heard the case much earlier. There were dates available. Scheduling it for the end of April, when they could have heard the case much earlier, there were dates available. Scheduling it for the end of April means we likely will not have a decision until late June. And then if that means if the decision is no, he's not immune from everything, he can be taken to trial, then that means the trial would still have to happen, right? You're talking about months and months and months, if not years. And then, you know, you got the election coming up in November. It's like Trump is going to be the president or he's not. But this decision about whether or not he is convicted of a crime for the January 6th coup attempt, you know, that it by that time it will be irrelevant because he will either win the election or not.

Right. Right. Right. Oof. That's just, uh, yeah, it's fun to see. It's fun to see how it all played out. I keep saying November, take your time,

please take your time. You know, let me just be so present throughout here. All right. Now just give us like a ESPN talking head take. Is Trump going to win the presidency or not? Yeah. What do you think you hear?

This guy's the best. No, I'm just joking. One last question as it relates to SCOTUS, head take is trump gonna win the presidency or not just yeah what are you thinking here this guy is the best no i'm just joking one last question as relates to scotus because i feel like there's always these moments right before we go i'm sorry i had to i had to ask you this why i have you here there's like all these moments right where you're like man i know how i know what kavanaugh's gonna say i know what coney barrett's about i know what neil's about to say and then like they they switch it up like and find their spine in like the weirdest ways like specifically neil gorsuch who's like tribal rights man i'm telling you don't fuck with that you're like but but fuck everyone else's rights like like how do you how do you sort of

view these like like you know i've heard some theories like he's so conservative that like it intellectually brings him to a point where he's like he has no choice but to defend tribal rights others like well he grew up in the southwest and this this that and the other but how do you see like these flashes of like when you're like somehow like amy coney barrett had a half decent opinion is that them being like i gotta kind of edge with the wacky shit so they don't think i'm a total scumbag so i just do it here and there or is there just like how do you view this sort of like the vacillation between like they're being moral or not giving a fuck at all yeah you know i think i think you just have to remember that they're individuals like they're human beings right gorsuch on tribal rights yeah he spent a lot of time i

think coming up as a lawyer and as a judge in states where tribal rights were something being litigated, right? Or like tribal jurisdiction, federal Indian law was an issue, right? And so he just knows a lot about it. And I think he can, it's not about like caring about the rights of minorities or people of color. I think he just knows a lot about the law and has totally kind of like he's totally like brought that into his conservative legal approach. Right. He's a textualist. So he's able to say things like, look, the treaties with tribes say this. This is the text. I'm a conservative. I'm a textualist. This is how I interpret it. Right. And yeah, so they're all individuals,

sometimes with kind of like a little surprise here and there. But to them, they're always working within and for the conservative legal movement, for sure. And I would say the thing that is more pronounced, more than like an occasional surprise, half liberal take from a conservative justice is actually that they're getting more conservative while they're on the bench. So Clarence Thomas, Sam Alito, John Roberts, especially, they are talking about things, writing about things in 2024, in their opinions that they're, they would not have said, thought, put down on paper in opinions, you know, 20 years ago when they were earlier, more junior justices, right? Because they have this little club that they go to called the Federalist Society where they like give speeches and they're like, it's nice to be

somewhere where people aren't protesting outside my house. And everyone's like, ah! I love that. Hey, Harlan, come out with the money cannon. Harlan, come out with the, yeah, Harlan Crowe about to hit y'all with the money cannon. Right. Yeah.

All right. Well, Rhiannon, what a pleasure having you. Thank you so much for spending some time with us. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff?

Yeah, this was really fun. Thanks, y'all. So the podcast is called Five to Four. That's the number 5 dash the number 4. We're on all social media at 5 4 pod, all spelled out. I'm on Twitter. Refuse to call it the other thing. Yeah. In this household? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. At Awa Rhiannon. That's A-Y-W-A Rhiannon.

And yeah, come check us out. 545.com. We are talking about all this shit and more week in and week out. There you go. Is there a work of media, social media or otherwise that you've been enjoying? Oh, you know what? I've been watching the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, the ship that is set sail for Gaza. People from all over the world are on this ship. They have tons of humanitarian aid and they are going to attempt to break the 17 year siege of Gaza by by landing at the port in Gaza. So God

bless. Yeah. Amazing. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work media you've been enjoying? Find me where they have the social medias at Miles of Gray. I'm on most of them, you know, so just search there. And also you can find Jack and I on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jack have had boosties. And if you like to talk about 90 Day Fiance, you know, where we get into the nuances of immigration reform. No, we don't. We're just talking about trash reality. Check me out on 420dayfiance. Any tweets I like? No, I haven't been on the tweet thing, but I just, what did I start watching recently? Oh, I was watching, I was just watching the rest of it. No, I don't even recommend it.

Nevermind. I'm not even gonna like, I'm like, I just have that thing that I was gonna trash, but no. Continue doing what you do for your social medias. But yeah, I have no, no suggestions, your honor. No further suggestions, your honor? No further suggestions, my honor. on Twitter who tweeted, don't text right now, just learned the high school from 10 things I hate about you is a real high school called Stadium

High School. And I don't know if you remember that high school, but it's like it looks like like a cat like Arkham Asylum, but then there's like a big stadium in the middle of it. There's like a field with like this big castle in the background. It's like one of the wildest things

I've ever seen. Anyways, I'll link off to that in the background. It's like one of the wildest things I've ever seen. Anyways, I'll link off to that in footnotes. Footnotes. Worth your time. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com

where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? This is a song from a duo called Tandy, T-H-A-N-D-I-I. And they're from the UK, but they're like studio musicians that used to play with bands like Michael Kiwanuka or Salt

or Cleo Soul, Little Sims, like groups that I definitely fuck with. And they just have like their own project together. And it's called Tandy. And it's got this like DIY, like sexy Rick James kind of shit going on this track. It's called Big Boys Don't Cry. And it's just some nice bedroom funk, I think is what I'll call this one. So this is from Tandy. Check it out. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

That's going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending. And we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Later. Bye. Later. Bye. I have followed together. We'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M films and Shekinah Church.

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