The Daily Zeitgeist - SCOTUS v Roe v Wade? Flamin’ Cheetos DRAMA! 5.19.21

Episode Date: May 19, 2021

In episode 912, Jack and Miles are joined by The Line podcast's Dan Taberski to discuss Ohio's vaccine lottery, Roe V. Wade being in trouble, the recount in Arizona, insurrectionists refusing to investigate themselves, Joe Rogan saying some dumb shit, why we hate our own voices, celebs marrying non-famous people, the Flamin' Hot Cheetos origin story, and more!FOOTNOTES: Beer, donuts and baseball tickets won’t be enough to overcome vaccine hesitancy: Leila Atassi Ohio residents who get COVID-19 vaccine can enter $1 million lottery each week for 5 weeks, governor announces Mask mandate, all Ohio virus orders will be lifted June 2 'Game show gimmicks' and a 'stunt:' Ohio lawmakers pan DeWine's vaccine lottery plan Ohio’s $1 Million Lottery For Vaccinated Adults Draws On Behavioral Economics Ohio sees boost in shots after it announces $1 million vaccination lottery Supreme Court to Review Mississippi Law Limiting Abortion Rights Maricopa Republicans Officially OVER These Bamboo-Hunting Arizona Fraudit Idiots Arizona Is Holding Yet Another 2020 Recount. The Company Running It Makes It Even Worse. McCarthy Comes Out Against Bipartisan January 6 Commission Proposal This Man Is Not Bright Here’s Why You Hate the Sound of Your Own Voice Mirror, mirror, on the wall: People rate own bodies as more attractive when viewed from third-person perspective Julia Roberts shares incredibly rare picture with husband Danny Moder as they mark special anniversary 27 celebrities who married people who aren't famous Flamin' Hot Cheetos... the movie? Eva Longoria on her Flamin’ Hot Cheetos movie and Hollywood beginnings Eva Longoria Cheetos Movie ‘Flamin’ Hot’ Sets Jesse Garcia & Annie Gonzalez As Leads God gave Hispanic janitor at Frito-Lay factory a vision for Flamin’ Hot Cheetos Flamin' Hot: The Incredible True Story of One Man's Rise from Janitor to Top Executive The man who didn’t invent Flamin’ Hot Cheetos Disputed Flamin’ Hot Cheetos Inventor Responds to Frito-Lay’s Claims: ‘I Was Their Greatest Ambassador’ LISTEN: YĪN YĪN - Haw Phin Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 185, Episode 3 of your daily zeitgeist! A production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, may 19th 2021 my name is jack o'brien aka buck jack minster fuller mountain dew uh and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray it's miles gray aka bone chugs in Pound Gangster, Snoop Chuggy Chug, Old Chuggy Bastard, Chug Daddy, Chuggy Smalls, Chug Tankland, Chug Face Killa, LL Chug J, and Chug D from

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so fortunate, so thrilled to be joined in our third seat. Honored indeed by the host of the Lime podcast, Running From Cops, Missing Richard Simmons. He is a writer, director, podcaster, producer, Dan Taberski! Hi, I don't have any of those.

Hey, hey, hey! Yeah, thank you for doing it for me hi how's it going man welcome welcome where are you coming to us from dan uh i'm in woodstock new york right now it's a beautiful day oh nice yeah super sunny the spring's here snow's gone is it is it as picturesque as I imagine that part of the country to be? I mean, only going beyond my very idyllic idea of it, of Woodstock. But I always see it like that. Yeah, it's like Rolling Hills. It's like that kind of thing.

It's actually the oldest or second oldest mountain range in the world. The Catskills are. Or the Adirondacks are. How do you date that? They just, I don't know. They carbon dated or something. Right. They've got some sort of thing

yeah i just like that's a claim you can have like you see that mountain over there that's the oldest mountain in the world totally well i love that it's such a great claim to fame because they're small they're not like the rockies so you feel a little lame until you realize they're the oldest and then that's fucking awesome yeah you lived your whole life with shame of how small the mountains were a A little bit. My pathetic little mountains. But they're the oldest. They're the oldest.

We got that. All right, Dan, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about today. We're going to check in with Ohio's vaccine lottery scheme, a.k.a. Vax-a-Million. Is that a play on something? Like thanks a million, maybe? No, Maximillion.

Maximillion, yes. That makes way more sense. But as a thing, right? Is Maximillion like a good marketing? Hey, Maxim, like the name? Or is there a phrase I missed? I could definitely see a lottery named Maximillion. Yeah, that's just because it's, yeah.

Our 90s obsession, 80s, 90s obsession with the word Max and Max. We'll talk Roe v. Wade. We'll talk about the Arizona recount. We will talk about Joe Rogan's claim that white men are about to be canceled. We will ask the question why we hate our own voices. Howard, just us specifically. Yeah, just us and the three of us. And also... I'm all right with mine.

All right, well... Oh, all right. We got a healthy podcaster over here. Yeah, what the fuck? Who's this guy? The okay sense of self. we might even check with uh ariana grande uh marrying young rando himself whose name i did not write down but another famous person marrying a non-famous person uh which i think the saber metrics on that are actually pretty good so

we'll talk about that all of that plenty more plenty more. But first, Dan, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Just something. There's a lot of addresses. I went back and looked. There's a lot of addresses. And I realized that it's something I do. Read them. Like when I, oh, well, I got, hold on a second.

I got, I'm not giving the full, I got Clinton Street. I got Coney Island Avenue. I have Kingston, New York. Oh, of course. Classic. It's a classic. I have Willow, New York. Basically, I just, whenever I talk to somebody or interview with them, I want to see like where they're at.

Like what their house looks like or their apartment looks like. Yeah, yeah. So that's a weird thing. So when you talk to somebody, you ask them what their address is? Yeah, usually. I don't ask, but usually it's on the bottom of their email. Right. It just takes a Google.

It's a little bit of research. Just to kind of give yourself a full picture, sort of their environment, where they're at, how they're doing. Kind of, yeah. I like to see where people are. I think that's interesting. Nice. I think it's interesting where people choose to live and then where people, like, what they're into. They're like, it says a lot about you.

Have you ever seen, have you ever, like, while you embark on this fact-finding mission, been surprised at what you've found? Like, when you search something, you're like, oh. Yeah. Somebody recently, a friend of mine, I was surprised at how nice their house was. Like, super, super, super nice. And they do not present that way. Is that more like they're kind of a sloppy person? This looks like a shithole, man.

Yeah, I guess. They look like they live in a shithole. It's okay. Do you reveal that? Do you tell them as you're having the conversation? No, but it's knowledge. Hey, man, I just Googled your place. Yeah, it's sort of like subterranean knowledge.

It's like something to keep in the back of my head to sort of know. No, I don't tell them that I Google them because that's weird. Nobody wants you to do that. Yeah. Well, now they know. What is something you think is overrated? I have a couple that I'll just pick. Topo Chico.

Okay. Okay. Right. That's it. Too aggressive? Just sick of hearing about it. Yeah. Sick of it's really bad i'm sick of the name it's i'm having trouble figuring out like are there like like mineral water like sparkling water sommeliers who can be like i get some bubbles may have a different mouth feel but at this point like especially in la topo chico people are like acting like if you

drink anything else like you're some kind of war criminal or something yeah i don't know it's bubbly water and it's i get i get that it's in a glass bottle but coca-cola owns it now so what's the what's what's the difference oh is that right yeah i think they were bought out by topa by coca-cola topo chico coca-cola yeah coca-Cola. I mean, the mouthfeel of the names. Yeah, just the fact that you threw out mouthfeel is pretty incredible. Yeah, yeah. And creepy. Do you have a type of sparkling water?

I don't like sparkling water. So I'm already starting. Yeah, I'm already starting from just, I'm just not interested. And now, then I have to hear people talking about something that I'm not interested in. So you were sick of the LaCroix wave? You're sick of this, all this seltzer nonsense? Well, I shouldn't say, well, I do, that's a total lie. I mean, that, no, it is a total lie.

I'm drinking the Spindrift. But that's flavor. Raspberry lime. I don't, if it doesn't have, it has a flavor in it. It's like pop. It's like soda. Well, you're in good company because Jack is also a spin doctor. I'm a spin drifter.

Yeah. You're a spin doctor? You're a spin drifter? Right on. Uh, hey, is that your favorite, uh,

flavor of spin drift? The raspberry lime? I, I wouldn't have picked it right now. I kind of went in the grab bag. I like a grapefruit. I like a grapefruit. I like a grapefruit as well.

Grapefruit and pineapple is kind of a new one that I've been enjoying. Oh, I haven't seen that. The orange one is a little heavy. Yeah. Strawberry is interesting because they have, it's like they captured the dirtiness of a strawberry. I think there's some stem in there. The little seeds yeah yeah like i think they tried to incorporate the taste of the stem uh into the strawberry but it definitely

is like among the more organic tastes that you will get in a uh in a canned beverage but topo chico is definitely for becoming like so popular and dominant in the culture. It's it's very aggressive. It's like at one side of the pole of like the amount you can possibly carbonate anything. It's so many bubbles. Yeah. It'll last for a couple of days if you just leave it out. Yeah.

So when you drink it, it feels like you have like a mouthful of Mentos and you're drinking a Diet Coke. Yeah, yeah. It's exhilarating. It's like I want to approximate the feeling of tax in my mouth. Hit me up. What is something you think is underrated, Dan? The first one was celery. Because I was making lunch.

And then the second one was Ethan Hawke. Ooh. Yeah. I'm equally interested in both of those tastes yeah but yeah well celery celery or ethan hawke what's first let's do celery first yeah and then we'll get into the heavy as an amuse bouche for it's delicious a it's got negative calories not that i care but it's got negative calories which is always interesting right you lose more calories eating it right um and you can just care, but it's got negative calories, which is always interesting. Right. You lose more calories eating it, right? And you can just do it. It's just very flavorful. And that includes celery root, which is a delight.

Smashed celery root instead of like mashed potatoes. And you put some apples in there. It's delicious. And then the Bao place next door to my apartment, they sauteed celery. Like they literally treat it like broccoli or something they sell they sauteed celery like they literally treat it like broccoli or something right sauteed so because i've always you know it's either raw in a crudite type context or i'm using it as like my uh you know uh trinity of bell peppers onion celery or sofrito if you're doing italian food but never like just taking it as an ingredient being like

here is the celery stock. No, it's great. It's really, I mean, it's super, it's like basically poison because all it is is cornstarch and salt and then like celery. But like, I think they just cook it for like a second and it's good.

It's got a little crunch. Yeah, celery. Yeah. The meat sauce that I make, celery is a key ingredient. And meat sauce? It adds a little, Yeah, like a meat bolognese. Oh, you're making

a bolognese. A bolognese. And chopped celery. I would have said that if I could think of the word for it. Yeah. And carrots. There's probably carrots in that bolognese. Yeah, carrots. We need it all. Like I said, sofrito, Jack. You took it right over me when I said that.

You need your onions, your celery, a little pancetta. Now, look, I don't know how much tomato concentrate you use because originally in Bologna, they don't use a lot of tomatoes in their cooking. But, you know, that's up to the chef themselves. Yeah, yeah. I'm a love a lot of tomatoes. All right. Let's talk about Ethan Hawke. Yeah, let's get.

Yeah. First of all, what do I see in him? I see longevity. I see somebody who isn't touching his face. let's talk about ethan hawke yeah let's get yeah first of all what do i see in him i just see longevity i see somebody who isn't touching his face he looks like he got beat up now if you see him which is great right yeah yeah i think he's my age but like he's sort of aging even i mean he's a handsome he's in the handsome man club but like he's sort of like his he's got big like divots in his face and like he's really letting it go i just think that's cool and he does everything right he writes novels which i haven't read but he writes novels but he doesn't out yeah

so i'm just reading for him i'm reading his braids does he write he i don't know i have no idea i don't think i could ever get myself to read this is it so i guess there's some complexity to my because i don't think i would ever read an Ethan Hawke novel, but I admire that he does it, and supposedly they're good. I don't know if I'd be able to get past the Ethan Hawke-ness. The fact that Ethan Hawke is out of his typewriter typing it, I think that would

be a bit of a barrier to sort of letting myself get into it. And then he calls himself an artist. I like people like that. I like actors who don calls himself an artist. I like people like that. Like, I like actors who don't like downplay it. I like actors who are like, no, no, no. I'm an artist.

This is what I do. Yeah. And I'm appreciative of that. He says, this is his one novel, Ash Wednesday from 2002. He says, christy and jimmy are transformed from passionate but conflicted lovers into a young family on a magnificent journey that actually has some depth to it yeah and now he has a new novel that comes out this year and the first line of the description is the blistering story of a young man making his broadway debut in henry the fourth just as his marriage implodes that is a man with range right

yeah his novels have range. Yeah, he's... Okay, Ethan Hawke. Going towards a writing what you know type situation. Yeah, a lot of imploding marriages or strained marriages.

Hey, I get it. Like, what happened is this the thing? Like, what happened with Uma Thurman? You know, let us know. She lives in Woodstock. Oh, does she?

Yeah. Because it's their daughter who's the one that's all famous now, right? Oh, does he have a famous daughter? Yeah, Uma Thurman. Isn't it Uma Th daughter who's the one that's all famous now, right? Oh, does he have a famous daughter? Yeah. Uma Thurman.

Isn't it Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke's daughter? I do not keep up with famous kids. I'm too choogy for that. Oh, that was the one that was in. Yeah. She was in Stranger Things the second season or the third, the last season. Maya Hawke. And then she was in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, too.

Oh, who was she? She was like the charismatic Manson kid who like kept hitting on Brad Pitt from like on the corner You're kidding me With the feet Oh no She's the one

She's the one who gets shook when they try and kill Homegirl in the murder scene up on the hill Got it Maya Hawk's the one who gets She's they try and kill homegirl in the murder scene up on the hill got it okay that's my hawk someone who gets she's the shook murderer who like leaves uh i love that movie it was a lot of fun all right let's talk about ohio shall we they have done something that we were all like has it really come to this the The Vax-a-Million, which famously a play on Maximilian, they're giving out a million dollars to one lucky doser the promise of a massive prize to people as opposed to giving out like dividing that money out into individuals. The lottery version is obviously much more of a draw. Well, we'll do a better job. You're saying the idea of enter for your chance to hit it big, which is like the reason why like I would fill out countless things, slips of paper at the mall to try and win a Ford

Explorer from my parents that they wouldn't want. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, we just love that model. Like it's like publisher's clearinghouse too. I mean, this is, it is essentially America, right?

Like, that's the entire kind of promise of American capitalism. And so they were like, why don't we use that? Well, what about the people who already got it? Like, so did everybody sort of like, all right, like people like me who are like, yeah, I'm first in line. I want it. And then, like, there were all the sort of lagging people. And they're like, all right, we'll give you guys a million dollars. It feels like that is sort of rewarding negative. It's incentivizing people to sort of be skeptics, isn't it? results they've seen so uh vaccine rates were dropping in the uh 30 to 70 year old set uh 30 to 74 and then uh out of nowhere except i know the small uh 30 to 74 demographic you know most adults

yeah uh and then suddenly they spiked by by six It's not like everybody's now vaccinated, but it seems like it's starting to move in the right direction. Oh, I see. 6% after weeks of decline. So that's... Yeah, yeah. So suddenly like, oh, a lot of people like that. I mean, people like a free deal, a chance to win.

But I know part of it too is they're like racing the clock because like a lot of states are like hey in june it's call yourself future because it's mask off time baby and we're going back and i think they're like let's try and get as many inoculations in when we go when we time travel to 2019 and then see what kind of spread we're dealing with again. Right. And why is the June mask off thing seen as immovable? They're just like, that's all we got. That's all we got in us. Because you do this thing to try and like, you know, tell the constituents like, hey, guys, if you stay in line,

then June can be a party. And then in their minds are like, that's great because it can be a party and then they're in their minds are like that's great because then we'll have vaccinations and then we'll have like two and a half solid months to get everyone vaccinated cut to uh-oh we're stalling out at 40 percent ish right and we're about to reopen give them a million dollars yeah i mean a lot of people were talking about the tactics too like did it have to be a million? Couldn't you? Because like it was weekly for five weeks. They had five million dollars to give away. Then like, what if you did a half million and you doubled the length of this campaign? Like that's still a significant amount of people. Does it have to be a million dollars? Like, is that enough? But it's a nice round. But then you but then you open up later. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not down with that. You open up later and you also sacrifice the Vax-a-Million branding. They had this logo.

It's not half a Vax-a-Million. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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really seems like it is the the case we've been warned about. The justices specifically chose a case that lower courts had mostly upheld precedent on. So it basically means that they're coming into an argument that seems like it had been settled and they're starting some shit again. So it's clear that they have something to say. They think there's work to be done on what i think most people thought was settled precedent uh yeah yeah so this yeah people are saying like they wouldn't have done this unless a major kind of change was coming and it's probably not going to be pro a change in the pro-choice direction i don't think amy coney barrett's gonna be like yeah we're just let's be a little bit more liberal on this she was famously tight-lipped in her you know

when people were asking those questions because of this exact moment you know because what trump has put in a third of the supreme court now yeah and we are yeah we're looking at a this conservative majority that yeah is is the exact thing that people were fearing that of like what a Trump administration looks like or what you know what this conservative conservatives at the wheel gives you all these other justices. It's just like, all right, this is what's going to happen if there's if you put all these people in the Supreme Court and we know this is coming down the pike at some point, like, let's go. Because the sooner it happens and the sooner that they curtail Roe v. Wade, then the sooner people are going to realize that the only way to change that is to is to vote the way that is to is to kick people out of office and like and or or create legislation or create a constitutional amendment. Like like it. I'd rather do that than just waiting for the other shoe to drop i think yeah more than anything that's just how you know american politics works like it has to get to that point for a plurality of people to be like oh fuck we gotta do something because before when everyone was like warning like no this could be bad like

you kind of need to think about this now yeah i think dan that's what that i don't know what else could happen uh for things to actually change. But, I mean, when you look at all the state houses across the country, I think far too many are willing to restrict access to these kinds of procedures than actually offer them to the constituents. So, yeah, it's a very dark time. Yeah, it's a very dark time. And I think already now when you see the amount of people who are having to like navigate their murky laws to go out of state or find other ways to have this kind of access, just it's just a really bleak picture. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what this does to help force a conversation about like, well, if that's the case, what are we doing about Supreme Court justices and term limits. Are we expanding the courts now? Because I think maybe, you know, if this does happen, that makes all of those other conversations happen with a little more, you know, vigor. Yeah. They're saying it would revert at least 20 states to the pre-Roe days when basically rich women could get safe abortions and poor women could not. So I guess my fear would be that, and I think this has borne out a lot in the past four years, that even with something horrible

with legislation or from the Supreme Court, that people still don't do what they need to do to fix things. So then you really would end up with just like people getting back LA abortions again. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, yeah.

The three quarters of the population want to keep Roe in place, like according to polling. Yeah. I mean, okay, this is the break glass in case of an emergency moment. I can totally see that being the thing that they drop a bombshell ruling and then that's when Biden gets moving on the Supreme court kind of uh term limits or you know expanding the court but we shall see yeah i mean there's also many states too that have like these trigger laws too that are saying like the second the supreme court makes a decision boom abortion's immediately illegal yeah you know many states are waiting for this yeah there's a few states um i don't know how many but there's there's a few that have these like trigger laws in place in regards to roe and i think more than anything too it's going to force us to realize okay we only have each other to help out and i think that is going to lead to a lot of it's going to take a lot of

person like people helping each other because once the states are just shuttering their doors on this now, like we're like these activist groups and charities are going to have to do a lot of the work to be able to give people access to abortions and things like this. So, yeah, a lot to come. All right. Let's talk about the recount. I mean, we've all been kind of on the edge of our seat. When are we going to finally find out who won that fucking election, guys? Yeah. You see the new Ben Garrison cartoon? on the edge of our seat when are we gonna finally find out who won that fucking election guys yeah i mean you see the new ben garrison cartoon oh i i wake up every morning it's the first thing i check is what would garrison drop latest stupid ass ben garrison cartoon is a it's a set of

dominoes arizona michigan wisconsin new hampshire georgia and pennsylvania with joe biden looking Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Georgia, and Pennsylvania with Joe Biden looking scared as the last one. And the Arizona domino is falling first, hopefully triggering the audit, as they say. And you have Trump saying, you lost domino, Joe. I don't know what that means, but OK. Well, because Joe in this comic is very literally his body is a domino at the end of a uh i'm stupid domino and joe rhyme which is pretty domino joe yeah yeah like that um so in maricopa county in arizona that's the scene of the like one of the most absolutely nonsensical attempts at overturning uh the election um if you remember this already happened they did a hand recount i don't know if you remember this

and then like courts were like yeah these allegations of fraud are like absolutely baseless. Like, please get out of my face. Like it's this election has been certified. Arizona Senate, subpoenaed the ballots, and then they handed them over to a group of fucking idiot conspiracy theorists who are like, yeah, we'll get to the bottom. We'll find fraud. They're called, I'm not joking. Their fucking name is the Cyber Ninjas. And I just want to read a little bit about them. The company has no experience in elections and its CEO helped to spread the stop the steal conspiracy theories in the run up to to the capital riot it is now in possession of maricopa's ballots and voting equipment so they're there being like we're gonna figure it out we'll get to the bottom of this do we have experience no but we do have experience in baseless conspiracy theories so as you can imagine uh because we know what happened and there is no fraud they They have found absolutely fuck all.

And because it's so poorly run, like they were using this like County, uh, like convention center to do the audit and stuff. They had to pack up their shit and pause the operation because it was, they were fucking up so bad. It was taking way longer than they thought it would, that it was interfering with the County's high school graduations that they

held in that building. So they're like, guys, you got to pack this shit up. We got some graduations coming in, man. Like, I know this is a fun time for you, but we got to stop. So now it's gotten to the point where even the Republicans in Arizona are just over it because it's been such a clown show that they're like begging them to stop which is kind of odd so what what is the big news that is causing uh the ben garrison con like why why are they so certain that this is was that an old comic or is that like i'm pretty sure it's from the last few days it's because he thinks it's because he's not in the group that thinks this is stupid or a joke. It's that he thinks they have things like they were looking for, like, bamboo fibers to prove like things were coming from China and shit.

And using like and using like UV purple lights on ballots and people like forensically, what are you even doing? And they're like, oh, we're checking for stuff. They're like, what, though? Oh, you'll find out. It's like, dude, this is all just, it's all performative. It's all nonsense. So the Republicans started asking the Senate president, Karen Fann, to please end this.

You started this shit, please end it. And the board of supervisors in Maricopa County were like really fucking pissed. One state Republican is calling the process, quote, a spectacle that is harming all of us. This is from the board of supervisors. And mind you, this board of supervisors is for Republicans and the fifth is a Democrat. So this is this board of supervisors is 80 percent Republicans from Arizona. They said it's time to make a choice to defend the Constitution and the Republic. We stand together to defend the Constitution and the Republic in our opposition to the big lie.

We ask everyone to join us in standing for the truth. Our state has become a laughingstock. Worse, this quote unquote audit is encouraging our citizens to distrust elections, which weakens our democratic Republic. You have rented out the once good name of the Arizona state Senate to grifters and con artists who are fundraising hard earned money from our fellow citizens, even as your contractors parade around the Coliseum hunting for bamboo and something they call kinematic artifacts while shining purple lights for effect. None of these things are done in a serious audit. I'm very curious what kinematic artifacts. Yeah, I'm Googling. Yeah.

It sounds like a good thing. Like you don't want to ask to sound stupid, but you're like, what is, is that something to do with actor Joel Kinnaman? Shiny thing. Kinnaman. Yeah, it's Joel Kinnaman. Strong refraction of waves in the migration velocity model

introduces kinematic artifacts, coherent events not corresponding to actual reflections. Okay. refraction of waves in the migration velocity model introduces kinematic artifacts coherent events not corresponding to actual reflections okay they just wanted to like get that yeah that uv light on there because that right that makes them feel like they're in csi they've done this thing where like it's so confusing i've given up trying to understand what they're saying and but it's the bottom line is the audit is nonsense and what you're doing is nonsense and it's ran by the cyber ninjas who sound like the fucking bad guys from like surf ninjas or some shit but other than being like kind of kicked out of the building because if because of the high

school graduations and uh being like shouted down by their own party. Like, is there, is this progressing in some way? Like what is giving, uh, the people who are on the side of these people, like hope. Nothing. I mean, like their response to them,

it's just to that as being like, Oh, here they go. They're afraid of what we might find. Right. It's like, but you haven't found anything and you're not going to, because a, you're not going to because

a you're looking for something that isn't there and b you're not even trained to even understand what you're looking at aside from just like this very narrow motivation to be like we're gonna find chinese bamboo fibers on these ballots or some shit but it's working they're they're making money yeah absolutely and i think it's only it it it's working there. They're making money. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's only, it, it, it's another indication.

I think this like sort of strongly worded attempt at stopping it from the Republicans, from the board of supervisors, right. That how deeply fractured, like just like the Republican party is now, like where some people are like, I think we can get a whole,

they're like, Nope, there goes the party off. It goes with the cyber ninjas. Yeah. the way ben garrison great example of like the lower standards of anybody like for culture that is created by anybody who's on the side of this because they just like will take what they can get the shadow work on the on this uh oh wow like when you look at so the the idea is that these dominoes are supposed to spell out the word audit in shadows but that he has made literally no attempt to uh make it seem like that is even conceivably uh possible that would have took

too much time he just he just wrote audit. Trump looks good though. Trump always looks good. He looks like Richie Rich. His suit is kind of straining at the groin region which I'm assuming is not

by accident. Ben may have his own visions of what's underneath there. Tell us. What do you see there? Tell us more about. What do you see there? Yeah.

All right. Let's talk about the insurrectionists. There's a bipartisan effort to look at the January 6th attack. And it's running into opposition from GOP leadership, basically. Who'd have thought? Who'd have thought? Who'd have thought? Minority leader Kevin McCarthy specifically is out here being like, oh, it's too short-sighted and it doesn't look at all of the political violence that has occurred in the United States. In other words, they don't want an investigation into an event that perhaps some of their own members had a hand in. If you remember, Kevin McCarthy was on the phone with Donald Trump when the attack was

happening. So I have a feeling, yeah, that guy doesn't want to have to sit in front of anything and explain anything to anyone about what was said or not said. But he now is saying, quote, the renewed focus by Democrats to now stand up an additional commission ignores the political violence that has struck american cities that's talking about the blm protests a republican congressional baseball practice that was the steve scalise thing from 2017 and most recently the deadly attack on capitol police in april uh where that guy ran into uh some of the officers near the

capitol now those are not comparable events. And I understand. And those we those have been investigated and people understand what happened there. This, on the other hand, has a lot of moving parts where there's law enforcement, military involvement, even politicians where there's a lot of question marks to like what exactly happened. And so now I think their whole thing is they just want to go way back, broaden it to the point to be able to raise their talking points. Like other proposals from the Republicans are, well, can we talk about Antifa? We got to put Antifa in there and we got to put the BLM protests in there as well, just to, I think, create this sort of mass spectacle of like, look, everyone's doing it, folks.

So how can we really consider ourselves safe? So, yes, that's the current state of this effort to figure out what happened. Yeah, and I mean, Antifa was involved in the storming of the Capitol, if my sources are correct. If your favorite parlor accounts are to be believed. And the other problem with this effort is, uh, John Katko, who is the ranking member on the Homeland Security Committee, who's the Republican giving it this bipartisan support. He voted to impeach Trump. So that's already, uh, that's already, I think a bad sign for how much Republican support it's going to get because this guy was being like, no, no, I don't know. I'm voting to impeach.

I don't know what everyone else is talking about. So that's already raising question marks on top of the fact that once it gets out of the House, it has to go to the Senate. And then we'll see what kind of will there is to either completely water it down you know amend it so it really is like about just whatever they wanted whatever else they need it to be about but i think such as the the all too familiar theme uh recently right uh all right let's take one more break and we'll come back and talk about some bullshit i've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. My reaction, shock and awe.

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for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And all right, let's check in with joe rogan it's been a couple days and we we have a quote from one of the latest episodes of his podcast yeah i just you know he's it's a warning to all straight white men of the world uh he says he was talking to his

guest he said can you make a good comedy movie anymore or have they made it so dangerous in terms of being canceled that comedy movies are no longer something you can do you can never be woke enough that's the problem it keeps going it keeps going further and further and further down the line if you get to the point where you capitulate where you agree to all these demands it'll eventually get to straight white men are not allowed to talk because it's your privilege to express yourself when other people of color have been silenced throughout history he says it will become you know you're not allowed to go outside because so many people were imprisoned for so many anyway it's it's it goes in that direction i mean that's good he gets it uh yeah i mean i i think he seems to be conflating the demographic of, you know, straight cisgender white men with the larger idea of like hegemonic masculinity and white supremacy. And then, you know, turning that into this sort of narrative of like victimhood, which most, you know, whether it's white supremacy or misogynist, like you need that to be able to explain why you are transgressing in the other direction because it's, oh, well, I mean, look at us.

Like, you know, like we're it's we're in the middle of a fight. So if I'm getting canceled, like this is what's going on. These are the stakes for me is I'm being wiped out by not talking. I mean, Joe Rogan is one of the most popular podcasters on earth. I don't know where like, you know know he's not really cancelable in that sense like well but think about it this way i agree with everything you're saying by the way but i've seen a lot of people go after rogan for saying that saying as he says into a microphone as if he's not i agree with you he's not cancelable but he is speaking for people the people who are

listening to him don't have microphones and they feel that way right or wrong right that's and that's the victimhood ideal yeah yeah same thing espoused by you know white supremacists in charlottesville are saying we're not going to get replaced or whatever it's that same energy that you need to be able to keep that movement going and that's what makes it a force that's really hard to reckon with because people are like yes i need this sort of rationalization to stay steadfast here where i am yeah um but yeah it's it it's a i think there is something to say though like in general when you have people looking at like you know on on some level people are not as interested in this term of like canceling someone as a sort of like a solution to something when most people are like

we need to drive our society forward and we need to evolve. And part of that is about being able to demonstrate that there are opportunities to grow. And I think for people who are so obsessed, like in the Joe Rogan camp, it's just a very zero sum game because some people are making it a zero sum game, which is like, you're canceled. That's it. Goodbye. off to the desert landscape and just enjoy your time there where on some level people need to be shown that you can fuck up be shitty and find a way to grow past that or else it's going to be completely it's it's not a it's not a proposition people aren't going to be interested in and i think even like you know i might like

when i talk about my own growth or anyone's growth over time there were times when i felt like a joe rogan type person was like man what the fuck you can do what's the problem and then it takes a second for you to realize like well these things can change and i also need to be open enough with myself to understand it's hard to do that right yeah it's it's massively you gotta like calm down for a second and just like think about it and it's i also think it's funny that, right? Yeah, it's massively difficult. You've got to calm down for a second and just think about it. And I also think it's funny that he's coming at it. It is funny that he's coming at it from the place where there are no good comedies anymore.

A, it's not untrue. I will say it is hard to find good comedy films these days. That says more about the film industry than it does about comedy. Right. But it also says something. It's just generationally it is a story as old as comedy itself that comics always feel

like they're getting put out to pasture because comedy evolves. I've been involved in things that were made 20 years ago and it's not funny anymore. And it's not because you need to get cancelled it's just not funny anymore. Yeah, we've moved on. We've evolved past that. Which is an interesting vibe to feel that the the thing that you've been it must be you know fuck him i

don't care but like it's his problem but it is i do get that feeling he's feeling something i just don't think it's it's the fear of getting canceled i think it's just being irrelevant in some way yeah right or like how do you keep up when you're used to just making really superficial jokes about people's like masculinity or what straightness or whatever and then yeah do you keep up when you're used to just making really superficial jokes about people's like masculinity or straightness or whatever? And then you keep coming back to the same old jokes. Everybody loves those jokes, right? After 20 years, they're sort of stupid. I'm not going to do the work to try and like be a little more introspective again and find some new analysis and observation I can take to the stage to make people laugh.

I like my old shitty jokes. I will say this. observation I can take to the stage to make people laugh. I like my old shitty jokes. I will say this. I would appreciate it if Joe Rogan could say there are no good comedies right now. And then instead of going into fucking three paragraphs about about wokeness, tell me something funny about wokeness. Like the thing about comedy is that you can you can you can look at what's around you and makes intelligent jokes that helps you laugh at yourself. Like there's ways to sort of react to what he says he sees and not alienate people and not complain and stomp your feet.

Make a fucking joke about it. Like if you don't have a joke about that, then you don't have a joke about anything that's going on now. Right. Yeah, fair point. Yeah, because I think at the end of the day, like he has to put this sort of movement

of like sort of diametrically opposed to him and that sort of philosophy of comedians to be like, and this is and these are the stakes. And then we that way we can stay fixed and fight from here. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this Daily Beast article about why we hate the sounds of our own voices. Full disclosure, I'll say I don't hate the sound of my own voice. I know it was suggested. However, I will say I did have a reaction to the first time I ever heard my own recording. Yeah, it's definitely something you need to get used to. We spend hours a day hearing ourselves back, hearing our own voices back into our headphones.

And it starts out out as very horrifying experience i think a lot of uh the sweating and uncomfortableness i did in the first year of this podcast was just my brain trying to make sense of the fact that it was uh it was having to hear its own hear my own voice back yeah there was there's this assistant professor of otolaryngology at the university of washington who like deals with people's voices and like surgeries and with your like vocal cords and things like that and he talks about just sort of when he hears people talk about their own voice and that they want to address it he has you know there's been a lot of studies about this but he brings up the fact that this whole phenomenon this idea of like people not standing their voices is just part physiology, part psychology, obviously.

So like when we're hearing our voices over that through our headphones on speakers, it's traveling through the sound waves travel through the air into our into our skulls and it gets to our small ear bones and it's like a lighter sound versus when what we're used to which is the i'm hearing it straight out of my skull tone which is a little bit smoother a little bit bassier and so when we hear the two next to each other it's just jarring because we're so tied to this voice that resonates in our skulls that it's like looking in a funhouse mirror of yourself and you're like yeah is this me i mean like it specifically with a funhouse mirror metaphor like they've found the same but for perception of our bodies and reflections like they put people's like showed people pictures of essentially what their body looked like, but made it so that they couldn't really tell that it was their body. And when it wasn't their own, they rated it as much more attractive and

healthier than when they were able to recognize it as their own. That's amazing. That's amazing. I would love for somebody to do that to me. Loving my own body. Right. And like, even with the voices,

they did the same thing. They had people like listen to their recorded voices and rate their, you know, how nice they thought their voice was.

And then they had just clinicians also just listen to these audio clips and just rate the voices. And, you know, across the board, it was just clear. People audio clips and just rate the voices and you know across the board it was just clear people were so negative about their own voices and the clinicians were like really positive they're like no nothing's yeah okay great great great so it really is like this it's not that like you for people who hate their own voice not that you sound like

a total shithead and you want to go full van Gogh on yourself. Because you don't like what you're hearing. It's just that we have this. You know. I think propensity to be very self-critical. And then these sort of moments. Offer those. Like you know. Opportunities to just be like.

What the fuck. That's me. No. But I'm this thing. So. Have you learned to like your voice? Or do you just learn to not care? I don't know if I.

I definitely don't dislike my voice. I'll say like the first time i ever heard it i think it was first time when i was when i was a kid and i was making a home movie with a friend and then we played it back and i was like what the fuck i sound like this like and i was like 11 you know and that was just enough to like whatever i did and then my voice got deeper. And I remember high school, the same thing happened again. And it I was a little more secure in my voice. But then as time goes on and I think doing podcasting more and things like that, I'm like, oh, yeah, I like what I'm hearing in my headphones again.

That's nice. Dan, I know you've hosted many, many podcasts. Have you ever been through the hell of trying to edit them yourself? I have. In the very beginning, I was editing something. I was at the very beginning, too. And I was so brutal on myself. I was like, what the fuck is that?

Like, I was so like, cut this whole section. I sound like an idiot. Like, it was so bad. It's funny. I think I started when I was a little more. I think I just had, it wasn't about having confidence in my voice. I just had a little more confidence, period. And so, like, it was like the, like, there's so many things I could do to make something better. Changing my voice is not one of them.

Right. So I just kind of, like, ignore it. Not ignore it, but just, like like there are ways to sound less annoying. It's hard to sound better. It's hard to sound like that. It's hard for the tone of your voice to sound better. Right. Yeah.

I just auto tuned the whole thing. So it sounded like I was singing beautifully. Yeah. It's like, yeah, co-host T-Pain is here. Thanks for joining us. This weirdly is, I think, a good advertisement for therapy because I just think in basically every aspect of self-perception, we are absolutely the worst at judging ourselves. Like there's just that lens or funhouse mirror or whatever you want to call it. We are the most important people in our world and like there's just a lot of memories and values tied up in uh how we perceive ourselves

like whether it be in the mirror or our voice or what what our what our problem is on a daily basis. Yeah, we're our greatest critics. And yeah, I think part of even just being in therapy is realizing too, yeah, you don't got to listen to that critical voice all the time. That's not actually useful, just so you know. You're like, I don't know. I've lived with it for so long.

It's kind of hard. It's kind of like my rotten tomatoes that I love to check on all the time. And I'm always rated hot shit on it so uh yeah but i think yeah it's i think to your point dan when you're asking like is it that i don't care i think over time it does become that i don't care because it becomes less important in my evaluation of who i am or what i am to other people it's more about like what my internal lived experience is. Rather than how I'm valuing that.

Or adjudicating that against external opinions or factors. Alright. Let's talk really briefly about Ariana Grande. She is no longer just getting engaged to people. She's now married to somebody. And it's somebody named Dalton gomez who i don't think he looks like pete he does look a little like pete i mean he's just a young good-looking 22 i think year old like a little younger 27 okay so he looks like an infant doesn't he look like a

child like a little baby like a little wee man i don't know this is after years of her having tragic to bad luck with uh relationships with famous people she quarantined down with a young not famous real estate agent and they got married the other day and i just wanted to you know shout out that decision i feel like the saber metrics on celebrity couples is that this generally works out particularly if a famous person marries someone after their like it seems weird it seems like it would just create the biggest like you know imbalance of status or. But a lot of the time when somebody marries someone while they're famous and the person is not famous, like that, that seems to work better

than if they're both famous or if they become famous after they've already married somebody who's not famous. Like Julia Roberts is still married to the, you know, hot cameraman that she married after a bunch of famous failed relationships with famous people danny yeah danny jessica alba married uh cash warren just based on his name alone i think but he was a pa when they got married i think that's right yeah oh i forgot about gave hope to every young man to To me. Oh, my God. I have chills because I remember like, oh, it was a PA because I was a PA at the time. And I was like, yes, this is my track to passive stardom.

That guy must exude confidence. If you're a PA and you're like, yeah, I totally, totally. Yeah. That guy just must have it. Rather than like nervously stealing snacks from the crafty table. Like I was like, huh? No, I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know. Fuck all these Oreos get in my jacket pocket for the heck. I think it's a ghost. Reminds me of like when there was, there's that run, I think in the nineties in college football, where there were a bunch of like really great like heisman caliber players named champ and it was just like well yeah i mean their parents named them champ of course they were gonna be fucking awesome like just based on the confidence alone i bet just being named cash warren like he was just like yeah no i obviously i should marry jessica alba what what are you gonna do champ is

such a great name champ Champ is a cool name. Yeah. Wait, who else is there? I'm just thinking of Champ Bailey. Maybe it wasn't all named Champ, but there were a lot of really cool names that were just basically imbuing that person as the greatest.

And it always made an impression that that's got to be a slight leg up when you are just forming uh your ability to store memories and like the first thing you learn is that your name is champ but yeah because i'm just thinking of who's i mean who else are you thinking were you thinking of champ bailey specifically i was thinking of champ bailey Bailey that's the 99 draft class so you got Peter Warwick the Heisman nominees Chad Pennington

Chad Pennington LeVar Arrington it wasn't all the same year I just remember there being the era the era there were like a handful of those people

God those are really cool names I like how you're like those are really cool names like Corey it's such a great simple way to look at the world. Yeah. Right.

Oh, man. That's a great name. Yeah. Right. I'm like asking my mom, like, why don't you name me Champ? I feel like Colt is a good name for football players. For anyone. Yeah.

But like, that seems to to if you're named cult, you're going to be good at football in some way or a 90 day fiance. It's a combination of a gun and an athletic animal. Yeah. Pretty cool.

How did you go wrong? All right. And finally, we talked last year. This might be a correction. We're going to. Yeah, we're not. How you look at this story

so we talked in 2019 about how the story of the creation of flaming hot cheetos the origin story of flaming hot cheetos was being turned into a movie about how a man working as a janitor for frito-lay uh goodwill hunting his way up the corporate ladder thanks to his recipe for a new spicy Cheeto. The movie is titled Flamin' Hot, and it is being produced by Eva Longoria. And it is directed, I think. Directed, that's right, by Eva Longoria. So I don't know how I feel about this. So now the company is coming out and basically saying none of this is true, that they were test marketing this before Montaigne's,

the supposed inventor, claims to have even invented it. They were test marketing it in a completely different market and that it was this team of very hot, food scientists who came up with the like, hey, these seem to be popular in a region, I think it was Detroit here, let's develop our own. And they made a very popular food as opposed to the Flamin' Hot version of events where he literally had a shack in his backyard that he like had his spices in and would like put spices on like cheetos to but that's the part i don't understand is flaming hot cheetos like cheetah anything in cheetos is not you're not putting like paprika it's all chemicals right

like you need literal test tubes and centrifuges like how is somebody doing that in a shack behind his house yeah it's more like the flavor profile being of like you know because it starts being based in real world flavors and then synthesized into this other thing that can be mass produced have you had them oh yeah flaming hot cheetos oh yeah yeah i love flaming hot cheetos uh yeah can't can't stop eating them when you start eating them. That's the hard part about them. But like, it's interesting because I've worked in places where an idea I had was claimed to be the idea of someone above me and the, or, and that becomes the story of a concept is like, Oh no, it's that guy that made it. And there's no, I mean, like, I'm like, well, can you get the emails out? Cause you know, I pitched that thing that thing and I know it came out of this officer, but that actually came for me. And when I read like sort of how some of the people like, you know, we looked into it and this person wasn't connected. really did, you know, get these people to say, we need to consider this. They take his idea and on all the documentation, it comes out of this office where he may have worked, but attributed to

someone else because they don't want to admit someone who didn't even have anything to do with our department actually gave us this like idea. And we don't want to, you know, we don't want to give any credence to this idea. I don't know, but that's where I'm just kind of like, I'm a little, it just seems weird because they were letting this be the you know, they were saying we allowed the rumor to stand for long enough. It's like, well, what? And she was the main driver of the Flamin' Hot Cheeto development process. And somebody brought this to her attention. She's since retired. Most people who were involved with the development were retired. And so they weren't really paying attention.

And then she kind of launched an inquiry to be like, I'm being removed from this story. And it's just not true. And that's now how this is coming out. So you don't feel, so maybe, I mean, yeah, if I were her, Lynn Greenfield, is that her? Yes, Lynn Greenfield. I would feel bad. I mean, if I got erased from the Flaming Hot Cheetos story,

I'd feel bad too. But once you sort of back up as a company, this story, just give everybody the freaking story. It's a nice story. The guy, like, sort of back up as a company this story just give everybody the freaking story it's a nice story the guy like nothing like everybody just give him the story give lynn some other cheeto flavor right yeah i mean one of the kind of ideas is that maybe he invented like the hot popcorn flavor uh which because flaming Hot Cheetos was already being pushed in marketing material in 1991

before the CEO who he pitched Flamin' Hot Cheetos to in his story was even, like, the CEO of the company. So it's,

the timeline doesn't really line up. So they think maybe he developed another spicy snack and it's just being tossed together. I just love the battle that emerges from the provenance of this. If you ask me, he should be happy because now his movie actually sounds interesting to me. Before, his movie sounded kind of boring. It's like, great, poor guy invents Cheeto.

But now it's sort of like there's a tug of war at the end it's got it's got more twists and turns we'll see if they acknowledge that part because i know like on some level they they think it could be a christian film because of that's the production company is like yeah and his like he says like like god helped him conceive the idea oh no, no. So we'll see. Yeah. The production company that made it. God stories don't have a lot of twists and turns. It's a lot.

Generally. They sort of strayed ahead. It's going to end with like Lynn Greenfield being like smited by the Lord or something. Right. Or just them coming through and being like, we had this idea from our science and you know then but I like that story new writer JM is point is pointing out that this they could also approach this as like the all the president's men where the LA Times is trying to get to the truth of this elaborate conspiracy so that's another

angle you could take on it. Maybe this is just, instead of being one small movie that's made next year, it could be all the movies that are released next year. It's a new podcast. Yeah. There you go.

Dan just perked up. Yeah. Uh-oh. Hey, I said it first, Dan. I said it to yourself. Cheetos. The Cheetos are disgusting. Mail it to ourselves. Jack, mail this episode to ourselves.

Oh, that's so old school. I used to do that. I used to mail myself stuff. We love that joke. It wasn't a joke. It was real. You would always mail it to yourself? I've done that.

Or you have an idea and you don't have the balls to be like, I'm copywriting this. But you mail it to yourself? I've done that. Or you have an idea and, and you, you, you don't have the balls to be like, I'm copywriting this, but you mail it to yourself and then you don't open it. And then, and then you have timestamped.

Then you have timestamped. Yeah. It was a rough, it was different time, man. Yeah. The number of dumb ideas I've like claimed, uh,

you just have a stack of envelopes. Yeah. Well, like I was, I'd open it, but then it would be nolan boyd but i did invent it look it's from 88 ties into the flaming hot cheetos thing is my big idea when i was in my 20s and this is a great indicator of how dumb i was uh was pretzel m&ms i was i was like demanding that people hear me out that pretzel m&Ms. I was demanding that people

hear me out that pretzel M&Ms were going to be great. And then five years later, they became a thing. And they're not that good. They're like, okay, they're not as good as I thought they were going to be. So first, I was like, oh, they took my idea! Which, that's not how

capitalism works, man. You don't just say it and then M&M's is like... Tell that to the Cheetos guy. Right. Yeah, it's always a hard... Just a hard one to go up against when you're claiming you were beat by a corporation to this massive idea. It's like, oh, I thought of Febreze first.

Anyways, Eva Longoria, hit me up. We'll tell my story about pretzel M&M's. Dan, it's been a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist, man. Where can people find you, follow you, experience you? D. Taberski on Twitter, and then the line is on Apple Podcasts and wherever podcasts are available. What is the line? For the most part, it's called The Line.

Yeah. About Eddie Gallagher. Yeah. About Eddie Gallagher, war crimes, Navy SEALs, forever wars. It's pretty intense, but it's a good, shocking listen. Yeah. I was listening to the first episode. It's it's really I mean, mean yeah it's it grabs you and i think also really challenges

the listener in a way to sort of consider the worldview of these people who are like fucking warrior killer types and you're like right there's a there are many like these people are not living a normal in a normal place like you or i are and it yeah it's really interesting good glad you liked it uh and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying oh god um no okay great here you go honestly uh miles where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying uh you can find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray and then also the other podcast for 20 day fiance you know to talk about the easy goingness of 90 day fiance some tweets that i like first one is from joanna borns at robotics

tweeted hey hey my team at big corporation is hiring most depressing job title you've ever heard. Come work with me. Very interesting tweet. Jordan Morris, our guest from last week, he also tweeted from the 60 Minutes thing. You know, the one the dude who had the goatee who is talking. I don't know if you remember. There's a very specific guy talking. Yeah, that.

Yeah. And he has an image of this guy. who is talking. I don't know if you remember. There's a very specific guy talking. Yeah, that facial. He has an image of this guy and he says, the guy on 60 Minutes who told us UFOs are real looks like he'd also corner you at a party and explain his complicated method for getting out of DUIs. He does. You gotta put, it can't just be a penny.

It's gotta be a penny and a dime under your tongue and then they can't recognize you, bro. Right, right, right. They won't even know. then finally uh lauren order at kim lordashian uh tweeted dc is girl boss nyc is gatekeep and la is gaslight hope this clears things up i think it does i think i think we're all wiser now uh tweet i've been enjoying. Let's go with April said, I used to think Stockholm Syndrome was bad, but now that I have it,

I think it's good. Who is that? April at autoginefiles. So auto, A-U-T-O G-Y-N-E F-I-L-E-S The Gine Files.

The Gine Files. The Gein Files. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song are we recommending today

this is a track uh from uh from a track called yin yin y i n y i n and it's called ha fin h a w space p h i n and it's got a very like psychedelic surf rock kind of vibe to it like if you like krungbin you'll probably dig this track but it's also got sort of like these like asian like melodic scale guitar licks in it as well it's just a nice nice listen you know kind of takes you want to like if you're going on a surf tour of bali or something yeah yeah union uh all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning.

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