The Daily Zeitgeist - Seed Oil < Snake Oil, Forced Millennial Retirement 09.30.26

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

In episode 2133, Miles and guest co-host Matt Lieb are joined by Pod Yourself A Gun &amp; Mad Yourself A Man, Vince Mancini, to discuss&hellip; This Year&rsquo;s &ldquo;MAHA Summit&rdquo; Is Full Of C...elebrity Dirtbags, Zoomer on TikTok says that MILLENNIALS are preventing their generation from working, Gov Abbott DECLARES (makes empty gesture) DIESEL DISASTER! A Long-Dead Sci-Fi Writer Probably Shouldn&rsquo;t Be In Charge Of AI Safety and more! Vance, RFK Jr. and 'Iron' Mike to headline MAHA Summit Dr. Oz to Appear On a Panel Moderated by Russell Brand &mdash; Who is Currently Facing Rape Charges in the UK The Benefits of Snake Oil - Dr.Berg Isaac Asimov Showed Us How to Avoid the AI Apocalypse One of science fiction&rsquo;s greatest writers warned us about AI. Could his ideas help us avoid a dystopian future? Could revisiting Asimov&rsquo;s laws help us avoid AI&rsquo;s &lsquo;Chernobyl&nbsp;moment&rsquo;? Noted Brain Genius Tyler Winklevoss Thinks Isaac Asimov Already Solved the AI Apocalypse Google Taps Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics for Real Robot Safety Asimov's Laws Won't Stop Robots from Harming Humans, So We've Developed a Better Solution What Isaac Asimov Reveals About Living with A.I. &ldquo;Runaround&rdquo;&nbsp;In:&nbsp;I, Robot&nbsp;by Isaac Asimov Runaround&nbsp;By Isaac Asimov Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and the Misreading of Science Fiction LISTEN: Blend by BrainstorySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:05 Matt, I hate to ask. Are you chewing gum? I stopped. Okay, okay. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. I stopped. No, did you stop? Or is it still in your fucking house? You guys see what I deal with? I stopped. I'm allowed. Fucking mouth. I stop it. Deal with all the time. What are you chewing? He's in nicotine gum? Nicotine gum, dude. Oh, it is? Yeah. I've been chewing nicotine gum for 17 years. Oh my God. I know. Is the gum better for you than Zin?
Starting point is 00:00:32 I don't think there's a difference. I think the, The problem was in is you're getting really big doses. It's like six milligram. No, only is the three milligram, but. Okay. Well, oh, hi, I'm Vince. I'm a bitch. Yeah, that's me.
Starting point is 00:00:44 I do say that. Hi, I'm Vince. Oh, hello. Oh, they call me a bitch because I am bitch. That's what he says. Bitch Mancini. Oh, bitch mancini. Bitch man, man, ween.
Starting point is 00:00:57 I'm glad none of my middle school friends heard that. Yeah, they're, fuck you up. Good, dude. Manweenie, I got a lot. Oh, you did. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Look at them. I guess I don't know why I was like, that's good, man. That's like, but the bitch part was new. Bitch man weenie. Bitch man weenie, okay. It's really, it's like doubling down. Dude, you got to change all your handles now at bitchman weenie. Your display name definitely got to be bitch man weenie.
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Starting point is 00:02:23 I can talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Scam Goddess. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman. Angel Geratana.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Jeremy Colhane, Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists Podcast. The improvised character comedy podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone.
Starting point is 00:03:04 I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to Artis on a American. artist on artists on artists every Thursday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Lisa, tell them about our new show. We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I'm Lexi Youanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is. My Business. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So by age 11 or so, at least 70% have a phone. I'm Dr. Joy, and this is Therapy for Black
Starting point is 00:03:58 Girls. We spend our surviving middle school run getting into what's happening inside your kids' brain, the group chat, and their friendships, and what you can do about it. Your child is not doing this on purpose. That's the kind of perspective we've been pulling from the psychologists and psychiatrists who studied this for a living. Listen to Therapy for Black girls on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Self-care September is your reminder to slow down, check in with yourself, get off your phone, and maybe ask, why am I like this? I'm Jemisbeg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s podcast, and this month, we're helping you make sense of the person that you are becoming,
Starting point is 00:04:36 from setting boundaries and navigating friendships to understanding anxiety, confidence, relationships, and attachment. Sometimes our big, decisions, without us even realizing it, aren't driven by what we truly want, but by what will prevent us from feeling lonely or being alone. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and in this new season of biggest rivalries of all time podcast, we take you back to the very first rivalry of the WNBA. The comments were the real deal. I mean, come on. Liberty was just tough.
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Starting point is 00:05:47 This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness through the day's news. Also, if you don't know, well, now you're about to know. Every Monday, we have a new non-news version of the show that goes up where we talk about icons, iconic people from culture. We just dropped the episode on Selena's. One of my all-time favorite musicians and one of my favorite movies. I still can't fucking shake Selena. Good-ass movie, dude. They made a whole town after.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Salinas, California So stupid Anyway, those jobs Every Monday, the logo's different It's got icon on the title So you will know It will be clear Today though
Starting point is 00:06:30 It is Wednesday September 30th It's National Chewing Gum Day National Hot Mold Cider Day There are so many days National Women's Health and Fitness Day It's also Extra Virgin Olive Oil Day
Starting point is 00:06:44 But the one that only matters is that it's international podcast day. That's right. So sorry to the world. It's our day. Thank God. Everybody's finally nice to me today. God.
Starting point is 00:06:57 When will they make a day? When will they make a day for men with microphones? Yeah. Oh, yes. We're the most important part of society. Yeah. Shout out to my mom. It's International Translation Day.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And everybody who's had to do any kind of translation work. Anyway, my name is Miles Gray, a.k.a. They called me Mr. Volvstastic. Rocks are fantastic. Touch them on the top when they look like a G-O. That is from New Chris, because we talked about the hidden Noah's ark that they swear is in the mountains of Turkey. And the aerial shot is just looks like a vulva made of rock. And they're like, no, that's the arc under there. It's the arc under there that will have the bones of every animal from Earth in pairs. And then we can prove to the liberals that we are right about Jesus. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:45 I'm thrilled to be joined today by my guest co-host. Fantastic person. You know, a local, someone who loves a bit of chewing gum if it has some nicotine in it. He's a fantastic comedian, podcaster, writer does everything. He makes us laugh, okay? You know his podcast, Bad Hasbar. You know his podcast with our guest next to a podcast pod yourself a gone wire, mad men, whatever. Please welcome my guest co-host.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Matt leave. This is Matt Leeb, A.K.A. Leap, Matt, aka. This is Major Come to Pound It Hall. I'm stretching your back door. What's up, guys? Wow, you really workshop that one since you last sang it. You know, I think I've been singing that parody on every podcast appearance I've done for the last week. Let the record show that Matt stole that from me.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Wow. No, no. Yes. I gave it willingly. I was major coming first. I like that you guys are fighting over this right now. No, that was my idea. I have it on record.
Starting point is 00:08:51 You know what we're going to argue about this? I put comma in the song. That was me. That's my thing. Bring up the tape. Bring out the receipts. Well, Matt, the feud can continue because guess what? Our guest today is the person who originally coined that, aka, also host the
Starting point is 00:09:08 the Frotcast, the Pod Yourself podcast series. Also, writes Fat City and content report, please welcome. The one, the only. Vince May City! Oh, great to be here. Thanks for having me, or as my middle school friends call me, bitch man weeny. Oh, no. That's right.
Starting point is 00:09:28 What were you like in that? You see how it feels, Matt? You like that sting a little bit? You stealing from me now. What were you like in middle school, Vince? I had braces for three years. Mm-hmm. Sake.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Late Bloomer. I have curly hair in the front, but not in the back. So my basketball teammates called me DNA because they said I had fucked up DNA. That's a great name. That's a little taste in my life in middle school. Wait, where'd you grow up? Are you from California? Yeah, Fresno.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Well, I grew up in Reedley is where I went to school. Okay. I love that. All right, DNA. Yeah, they named the town out. after the thing none of them are able to do, you know what I mean? Readly. They call it shoutly.
Starting point is 00:10:17 That's how we communicate. Hey. Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better, DNA. But first you've got to let the listeners know what we're going to be talking about. We got the, this year's Maha summit is underway and it's full of, just look, pieces of shit? Yeah, a bunch of pieces of shit are talking there. Yeah, if you have rape allegations or been convicted, please come on down. If you're selling all kinds of weird, fake quasi-health supplements, please come through.
Starting point is 00:10:49 And if you're Dr. Oz, also, or Cheryl Hines. We'll talk about all those interesting people that will be there. Also, there's a bit of a controversy on the internet when a few Zoomers started posting. They keep trying to fight us, the millennials. to the zoomers, I say, we are your friends. Stop trying to fucking get an argument with us because it's stupid and we're in the same
Starting point is 00:11:17 fucking boat. So we'll talk about we need to band together and kill all the boomers. I mean, wait, today. Hey, or just kind of look the other way. You can do it while we look the other way. So we'll talk about that. Governor Abbott in Texas bravely declared, at a statewide emergency over diesel fuel prices.
Starting point is 00:11:39 But guess what? It seems like an empty gesture. I don't know. I can't. Certainly not a Republican in an election year. And then we'll talk about, obviously, with all the AI sort of, you know, the people are saying, it's going to kill us. A lot of proponents of AI have a really good solution.
Starting point is 00:11:55 That's also the dumbest thing I've ever heard at the same time. It's like, let's just listen to whatever Isaac Asimov said in his books. Oh, that's good. Yeah, let's read a fucking 70-year-old book and find out whether. our iRobot has some suggestions. Yeah. And totally missed the point. I should never listen to Isaac Asimov because it makes an ass of I and Mov.
Starting point is 00:12:17 And it's true. And quick time MOV files. That's right. And we don't want to do that in this house. So we'll talk about all that and a bunch of other nonsense because I know the two of you are full of all kinds of surprises. We're crazy. I didn't say that. I just said you're fucking up.
Starting point is 00:12:33 We're not a surprise. Exhausted, Exhausted substitute teacher. I'm like, oh God, Matt and Vince are in the same class. Yeah, we're going to do spitz. Matt's wearing a bag of chips on his head right now. He's so crazy.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Take off the bag of chips. I'm so random. Look, wrinkle hands. Pringle can hands, teacher. Brinkle can heads. But first, we got to ask our guests and get to know them a little bit better. Vince Mancini.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Can you please tell us something from here? I never have the balls to say my own name, right? So I appreciate when someone else does it. Oh, well, I have to. I must. I must. I mean, I've been to Italy before. So I do that. You become sufferable, insufferable. And you go, oh, that's Vince Mancini.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Signore Mancini. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are, what you're into right now? I was looking up, speaking of like the generation gap, I was looking up, the actual search thing that I did was, now that I'm old, every new celebrity news feels like, because I was trying to remember, I was trying to remember a funny tweet. It was a great tweet.
Starting point is 00:13:32 and it's the, it's, uh, Dave Oshry. And the actual tweet is, I'm 50. All celebrity news looks like this. Curtains for Zusha. K-smog and Bat Boy caught flipping a grunt. K-smog and Bat Boy. Curtain's for Zuska. Curtain is such a fucking perfect.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Is it Curtains for Zusha? Oh, wow. Find out by reading this. And I was actually, I was looking that up because I saw a GQ Instagram post that says Somber's sex belt was his idea and Somber is just
Starting point is 00:14:10 without the E so it sounds like a tech company but I guess it's some sort of designer and then somebody else or I don't know someone wore a belt that said sex on it and it's a story so my old ass is like
Starting point is 00:14:24 is a Chastity belt or something for put a strap on on what the fuck? Oh thank you Justin said somber is a singer I believe. There you go. Yes, that's right.
Starting point is 00:14:34 He sung at the VMAs, which happened on Sunday. Yeah, or Saturday. And he, I forget, oh, they did a George Michael tribute that everyone panned. Oh, I see. I honestly, I don't, I don't know why. I watched a little bit of it, and I was like, yeah, this sounds just as good and or bad as any other thing. At this point, the fact that the VMAs are still on kind of blows my mind.
Starting point is 00:15:02 I know. People watch the music video. I just figured out who the Mormon guy who does backflips was. I don't need like another glam rock throwback. Who's that? There's a Mormon guy who does. Oh, Ben, and Boone. Yeah, they do know that.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Yeah. I hate that. You know that. You know that. Yeah. Every time I saw like headlines out of the VMAs this week and we're like, Taylor Swift gets a word she invented. I'm like, I don't even know if that's a real sentence.
Starting point is 00:15:26 And I don't care because like the last time I watched was maybe like when Jim Iroquy did the like live version of virtual and vanity on the stage. Damn. That was like when it fucking meant something, man. We had a fucking monoculture, baby. That's right. We danced on ceilings and stuff, you know?
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah. And wore big ass, Kangol hats. God damn. Remember when everything was awesome in the 90s? Yeah, exactly. But when always it was like, remember when we were too young to know how fucked shit was?
Starting point is 00:15:55 Right, exactly. That's really what we're all longing for at the end of the day. Vince, what some of you think is underrated? Underrated. Well, I was going to do overrated first. Okay, Vince. It's not going to make any sense. You control the show.
Starting point is 00:16:09 No, you're right, man. You're right, dude. Vince is calling an audible, is he? All right. Surprising, lightning. Lightning. Okay. Vince, what's something you think is overrated?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Overrated, I think, is the best burger. I think I was like the New York Times did like 50 best burgers in America or something like that. Crazy worst. And, yeah, underrated is any good burger. Because I feel like my, my personal opinion is that calling something the best burger is like anti-burger. Yeah. Oh, wow. I like what you mean.
Starting point is 00:16:43 That's the anti-Semitism of burger. It is. Yes. You're being racist against burger. It's conduct on becoming a burger. Yeah. It's called hand bigotry. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:16:55 And HR can write you up for it. Oh, shit. Yeah, you have to, if you go to work in the state of Texas. they make you sign a thing that you won't boycott burger. That's right. Yeah, exactly. I know that. I know that. Wait, so I, so you're saying like, it's more philosophical. Like, how, how dare we even try to say that there is such a thing when burger is merely like an itch that needs to be scratched?
Starting point is 00:17:18 Yes. A burger. I mean, like, the essence of burger is that it's like widely available. It's like portable. It's, it's a round. So as soon as you add like rarity or, you know, like limited access to it, it's like, that's not a burger anymore. That's something else. That's some sort of beef sandwich.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Yeah. Right. Okay. So you're saying this has to be for the proletarian food. Yes, the worker. Yeah. It is. Yeah. It is. I mean, you can't say the best burger in America because the best burger around you cannot be more than like five miles away. Like if you're making like, if you're making a big trip, like that's anti-burger. You're against
Starting point is 00:17:56 the whole concept of rating burger. A little bit. I mean, there's only so much you can do with the burger. And you know what, that's what makes it good. I'll be real with you. That's true. Every time I have a burger at another place where they're like, oh, you should try the burger. And I eat it and I go, that tasted like a fucking hamburger. And I am so tired of eating a burger expecting something different. It's like American insanity is expecting a burger that tastes different. You know, this burger is definitely much different than that. No, they're kind of the same. They're both good and that's great. That's what makes it.
Starting point is 00:18:28 burgers on a menu at a place called true food in Century City. I went there with my family on Sunday. And I asked the waiter, I was like, which one should I get? That burger or this burger? And it was just like, oh, this one is more umami. I was like, oh, boy. All right. And then I ate it.
Starting point is 00:18:46 And I was like, I would like the, I went, ew, mommy. You're an idiot. No, I tasted it. And I was just like, I want to taste the other burger. I want to taste the other burger. burger because I don't believe you. I think it's all lies. Everyone lies about it.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Yeah, I'm looking at their many, dude, the fucking bun has sunflower seeds on it? It's like, you know, it's a bummer, dude. It's a fusion fucking, it's Century City, dude. I know, but it's still like, that's where I'm like, and see, this, this doesn't feel like the every man burger. No, it's not. Certainly not. The sunflower seeds on the burger is interesting, because that's like a way bigger than a
Starting point is 00:19:23 sesame seed, so it probably looks like you're eating some sort of Flintstone's ass, like Bronosaurus burger. Yeah. It's like got a bunch of rat teeth on it or something. Yeah. Then the other thing they do is like, oh, this is the best burger's gourmet. It's got a runny egg on it. And you're like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I mean, I should do that at Fat Burger in high school. Like, I would always get out like when I was Peek Stoner high school eater. I'm like double fat burger with egg. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is a thing. It's like, I think Filipino food. Like there's a local moco.
Starting point is 00:19:55 There's a Filipino food. truck, at least in the Bay Area, that was like, you know, all kinds of food, but it was like, put an egg on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I'll do that. Yeah, it's not going to be bad. It just kind of, it made me really want the egg separate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there was like a siloog. Seagloch?
Starting point is 00:20:13 That's what I'm talking of, senior Cilog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly. It's good food, but, you know, I don't need an egg. Put that egg on there? Yeah, it's just a lot of cholesterol. Um, Vince. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Well, is there a food that you think can be raised? I feel like you can rate foods. I think you can rate most foods. Are sandwiches out of the discussion too? Because that also feels like a every person kind of thing. I think you can rate a sandwich because there's so many different kinds of sandwiches. Burger is like kind of limited in what it's going to be. Sandwich is pretty broad for everything from your bond meat to your Chicago Italian beef.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Like that's a broadly encompassing. Hot dog? Is hot dog in the similar? Wow. Let's get into it, guys. It's a hot dog a sandwich. No, I wasn't doing that. I was just saying, are we able to rate hot dogs?
Starting point is 00:21:01 Because that also feels like it has a very defined sort of definition of what it is like a hamburger. That feels a little silly to me too. But, you know. Yeah, rating a hot dog sounds insane. Yeah. You sound insane right now. Stop talking, dude. I'm going to call, are you okay?
Starting point is 00:21:16 They're going to do a wellness check on you right now. Dude, you're my friend talking about rating hot dogs. Dude, get him out of here, man. All right, we're going to take a break. We'll come right back. And we're going to check in, speaking of really delicious food, the Maha Summit, currently underway right after this. The long loading times. The glitchy video calls.
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Starting point is 00:22:15 It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwano. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get anyone you're fighting.
Starting point is 00:22:33 That is wild. I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business, and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're going to talk about dating, relationships,
Starting point is 00:22:51 beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't really care. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman. Angel Geratana. Jeremy Colhane. Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of
Starting point is 00:23:24 the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists Podcast. The Improvised Character Comedy Podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal. I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah. It's reading. It's called reading. So you're so we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako and the thousand paper cranes by Audra McDonald's at the Wonderland Bookstore. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of a reading of
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Starting point is 00:24:21 He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of
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Starting point is 00:25:14 Tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to scam goddess on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. By age 11 or so, at least 70% have a phone.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy, and this is therapy for black girls. We spend real time on it in our surviving middle school run, bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist who's raising two black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological and psychological and psychological chaos happening all this end job. We got into group chats and gaming, friendships and bullying,
Starting point is 00:26:09 and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust. There's belonging. You could think of belonging as I can be myself and I can still be accepted. And then there's fitting in. Spitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid rejection. Then we turn the conversation toward the fathers, sitting down with therapist Keir Gaines on Black fatherhood and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have more shorts.
Starting point is 00:26:35 You can't do flips. You have on the dressy. You can cross your legs. That's the range of this run, from screen time to identity to the father's doing the work at home. You have to get off her device. But the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as your adults in their life to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who spend their careers thinking about exactly this.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Self-care September is here, which means it's time to rethink what self-care actually means. Yes, self-care can be a long walk. It can be in everything shower. It can be putting your phone on, do not disturb. But sometimes it's actually about sitting with the uncomfortable stuff. And understanding your patterns, your boundaries,
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Starting point is 00:29:32 I thought it was Urfk the first time I saw it. He was a rapper. Riftger. That's little Irfk. Okay. That's Lorfk. Anyway, Lil Earfx, Maha summit currently underway
Starting point is 00:29:46 will include speakers such as Dr. Oz, J.D. Vance. Obviously, Mike Tyson. Oh. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know what he's going to be talking about. He's like, yeah, he's like, now Keith. Talking about other,
Starting point is 00:30:03 he's like on a panel with some other athletes probably talking about their favorite preparation of ear. and how to do that. Yeah, processing it. Or children. He talked about eating children. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Spinal. I'll eat your babies. You know what I mean? Children. I'll fuck you tell you love me. You're like, okay. Relax to Allah. That was my favorite part because I was like, well, that I fuck with.
Starting point is 00:30:25 I came in this fight with a broken back. Spinal. Further proving, though, that the Maha movement is collecting accused sex predator, celebrities like Pokemon cards. Russell Brand. who's currently awaiting trial in London. He's also dropping by to moderate a panel with Dr. Oz. You sound like you're on trial in London.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Dr. Oz, what's your favorite Bible verse? Yeah. Mine's from Ysai. Five minutes. This one here is about do one to the lamb. No. Let me just open me Bible, wiable. Give it a little willy weed.
Starting point is 00:31:07 You know, I'll be real with you. I was one of those dumbass Americans who was, he would hear him talk and be like, he's so smart. But it was because he would speak quickly and Britishly. And I was like, well, that's what a smart guy sounds like. Yeah, you know. He's just steamrolling you with that accent. And you're like, you know. And you're just like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Oh, man, this guy's a genius. This guy's onto something. He sounds smart. And he's wearing super low-rise jeans. Yeah, yeah. And he's hot. I want to fuck him. And he's got all these bracelets on.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Oh, I know what I said, but I'm staring at his cum gutters. They're looking a little dry. So, yeah, this is a real freak show. Real freak show in an event. You got the, like, the people that are speaking, like, the head of hymns and hers is speaking. That makes sense. I didn't, like, I was like, what? Those are just drugs that make you do sex better, right?
Starting point is 00:32:02 Yeah, yeah, Dr. Patrick Carroll, I'd sorry, the chief medical officer, which is funny because right now, they're being investigated by the FTC because quote unquote democratizing patient information to third-party vendors. Oh, yeah. Good. Yeah. Everybody wants things. I love democracy. Don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Let me democratize your private information. Liberate your information. Everybody should get an equal share of my private medical data. 100%. True democracy is democratizing these private dickpicks in my eye cloud. I just feel like everyone has a right to them. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. There's also you got Wyatt Decker chief position from United Healthcare.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Oh, cool. He's going to be talking. How do you get that job? Yeah. Who had to die for him to get that job? Do you think there's in a Popemobile? Yeah, yeah. He's like, hey, man, can you take my employer off the marketing material, man? Like, just say I'm Wyatt. Just call me Wyatt. Why the fuck would he be there? Can you imagine how much of a shill you have to be to, like, share a stage with a guy who was like, his credit is working for the worst private health insurer in the United States. Yeah, what kind of, like, who is that for?
Starting point is 00:33:15 Like, that's a level of contrarianism that I don't even... I don't even think that's real. There's not, like, a growing number of just, like, red-pilled on being pro-private insurance. That's something that the news makes up. I think, because this is such a, like, a, you know, insular, you know, industry circle jerk that's only meant for these people to pretend that they're doing something
Starting point is 00:33:36 worth a fuck. And so, yeah, you're going to have someone from those diabolical health care company, be there for the affordability first panel. Like, honestly, the worst types of fucking people are going to be at this thing. Yeah. They're all going to get measles, and I'm happy about that. Anthropic A.I's head of health care is going to be there. Oh, my God. Cool, because, yeah, AI is known for uplifting life from everything.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Why do they have a head of health care at that company? That doesn't seem like something they should have. Well, I'll give you some bad news, Vince. Remember how doctors used to be peoples? Oh, right, right. Now, machine? Shit about to change. Oh, good, good, good, good, good.
Starting point is 00:34:14 There's also Brian Johnson, the worst-looking 49-year-old on the planet. Oh, the guy who, like, tests his girlfriend's pussy juice. They're like, the CEO of Thickroaps.A.I. He uses his son as a blood bag and just, you know, it's like on that everlasting journey to look, stave off looking the way he does. Is he the one with the boner tracker?
Starting point is 00:34:36 just to see if he's as V-Riles, his son. Yeah, he's doing boner tracking for him and his son, like any health conscious person does. The steak and shake, that company, they have a chief MAHA officer installed at the company. I don't have no steak and shit. Can't you just fry fries and beef tallow because it tastes good? The pretense that this is like some sort of health initiative.
Starting point is 00:35:02 No, no. The only reason I'm going, yeah, I'm having that is because it tastes good. Good. Like I want yummy French fries. I'm on board with that pitch. But the idea that, you know, you're going to live longer because of French fries, no. This is the people who say things like seed oils. Yes, yes, exactly. I haven't even, like, looked into it. There's just like there's a certain, like, memes online that I'm like, you know, that seems like another QAnon rabbit hole that I just don't need in my brain right now. I'll let people be like, seed oils and just move on. I'll explain it to you. Seed oils are highly refined, and people are like, well, that doesn't seem right. Yeah. That's the whole thing. I mean, you guys are fine.
Starting point is 00:35:45 I don't know. Doing stuff. I mean, like, generally, right, it's not like a thing where people are raising the alarm on. It's like, surely though, you know, frying your fries in straight up, you know, rendered beef fat. That's got to be. It's delicious. Yeah, delicious. But also be real.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Like, be real about what you're doing. You're frying it in tallow. So, yeah, there's. Is olive oil a seed oil? No. because olives are a fruit. Okay, so it's as simple as sunflower seeds is a seed oil.
Starting point is 00:36:12 There you go. Because there's other ones like peanuts where I'm like, is that a seed? I don't know if that's a seed. That's a legume. No, like soybean oil, canola oil, like that kind of stuff. But soybean also a legume. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:25 No. Anyway, shout out to the legumes out there. Yeah, dude. The other thing, though, they also have Cheryl Hines will also be speaking at this for I don't know what fucking reason. She's dating RFK or something, right? Yeah, yeah, she's with RFK. She has all it says on the marketing material is, quote, coming out with a, quote, exciting announcement.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Cheryl Hines. Yeah, you're leaving RFTA. Yeah, yeah. She's like, I'm officious. Serves him. Although I doubt it based on everything we've seen. But the other great part of the news is actually 50% beef tallow. The exciting announcement is Polio is back.
Starting point is 00:37:05 It's, I'm back. And then they have a guy also speaking. This is really, really fascinating. His name is Dr. Eric Berg, and he's the founder and CEO of Dr. Berg Nutritional's. And I'm just going to play you just a little, just a wee bit of what this guy has, the kind of stuff he has posted to his YouTube. Okay. Oh, boy. Hey, guys, today we're going to talk about the benefits of snake oil.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Yeah, you heard me right. Snake oil. Snake oil has been used traditionally in China for a very, very incredible. It's loaded with omega-3 fatty acids. It's loaded with snake. We've had more snake into snake oil. Listen to this guy.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Say this with a straight face one more time. This is speaking at the fucking health and human services coordinated Maha summit. Hey guys, today we're going to talk about the benefits of snake oil. This is so crazy This is like if his other job Was being a bridge salesman Right, right, right To where? To nowhere
Starting point is 00:38:14 Incredible shit man Mono rail conductor Yeah, yeah, exactly I could tell he was not going to be trustworthy As soon as you pulled the clip up And the screen cap was him And he's got like a full head of very dark hair With gray eyebrows
Starting point is 00:38:30 I feel like that's a combo That just does not read trustworthy the end of the baby. Yeah, yeah. He kind of looks like, what's that one of the, Mr. Fantastic? What's that character that's at the white eyebrows? Anyway, yeah, he's, it's a visual lie is what it is. Yeah. He talks about like, he's like, there's quackery. This is him, this is his take down, I guess, of people calling it quackery or, you know, absolute medical sham. Pretended medical health care skill. So when we have someone who is pretending to have this certain skill when they really don't, in the medical profession, they're considered a quack. So then. now let's just talk about the website called Quack Watch. I don't know if you've heard about it before, but Quack Watch is very anti-altternative healthcare.
Starting point is 00:39:15 I mean, by definition, I think yes, that's true. Yeah, because it's people like just literally being like, yeah, I read a couple articles. I now understand the entire human body. It's an alternative to actual credentials. Yes. It's fucking crazy to me that just people are like, oh, now I'm listed on. quack watch because I keep telling people to eat glue. Yeah. Unbelievable. I learned this stuff from AI, man.
Starting point is 00:39:41 I learned it from AI. It's the same AI. We're all using, man. That's where I got this advice. It is straight up the like conservative like need to, uh, be right about like your gut instincts at all times. You know what I mean? Where they're just like, anyone who's ever taught you anything is like, well, that's not what my gut says. When someone tries to sell me snake oil, I'm going, you know what?
Starting point is 00:40:03 I love snake. and oil so I don't see how I could go wrong with this. Oh, yeah. Love it. I'm actually going to, I'm going to be frying my fries in it later, actually, in snake oil. I am interested in that sense. I'm curious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Part of it's like, like, yeah, put the fucking snake holder to use, fry some fries in it. Yeah, maybe it'll be good. Snake oil fries sounds good. Just a hint of snake, you know? Yeah, sounds good. Just a hint of snake. Yeah, so we'll see what else. I'm sure we'll get some fun clips out of that because the summit is literally just like
Starting point is 00:40:33 starting as we record this. How many snakes does it take to produce like one vat of French fry frying oil? You really got to squeeze a lot of snakes? I don't know. Yeah, that's the other thing is like, what's the process? Are you just boiling a, like just boiling a bunch of snakes and then separating the oil that comes from that process? That's a great question.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Is this first press snake oil, cold press? First press, cold press. Yes, obviously first press cold press. That's how you get the absolute purest form of snake oil out. Have you ever eaten snake before? ever eaten snake? I've had a sausage with it, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Wow, that really sounds sexual. Yeah. Snake sausage. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, like, I think that's only,
Starting point is 00:41:15 I've never had, like, actual, like, I've seen, I'm not like in a restaurant, but I know you could get straight up. Vince said a snake. Vince, what,
Starting point is 00:41:24 tell me about your eating snake. I don't remember. I feel like I've eaten at some point, but it didn't stand out as particularly memorable. All right, well, never mind.
Starting point is 00:41:30 All the reptiles, like alligator, uh, It's like they all kind of just taste like really lean white meat chicken from what I remember. Yeah. Yeah. With like a vague like hint of fissiness. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:41 And it's like I don't know. I remember the first time I had like gator like that and everyone's like it's kind of like chickeny fish sort of thing. And it really was. I don't know what I was hoping like I would turn into an alligator when I ate it or something. Or like it would be so clear like oh shit, this is fucking gator, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Yeah. There's the question of what you think's going to happen when you eat like an ex. exotic meat. And you're like, no, that's just, nope, that's meat still. That's just meat and you eat it. Anyway, that's a peek into my mind as in idiot millennial. Same. It's probably what the zoomers are also saying about us on TikTok right now.
Starting point is 00:42:16 They're so mean. So, again, stop trying to fight us. We are actually the canaries and the coal mine letting you know, okay? We're closer to you in age. And we've seen it all, baby. 9-11, the 2008 crash. All these things. Trus Mariqui.
Starting point is 00:42:36 Jamiriqui at the VMAs when he was out there at the live stage. I'm telling you, kids, it was an amazing time. I've seen it all. The moon men. You think we wanted to be cringe? No, we were forced to be this cringe when we were all laid off en masse and then forced onto LinkedIn where we had to tell. You merely adopted the cringe.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah, it was born. We invented it, actually, sadly. Exactly. So, yeah, you know, we just want to let you know, we get it. We get it, man. What are they saying about us? So it started off with a now deleted TikTok that went viral. And I'm just going to play the take for you so you can understand sort of where we're at here with all of this.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Okay. Don't hope I cause arguments in my freaking comment section. But the millennials are being mad because us Gen Z people are saying that y'all need to retire. So we can have some jobs open for us. they won't fucking retire, they won't leave their jobs. So again, this was one woman's video.
Starting point is 00:43:41 There were multiple videos like this of all kinds of these Gen Zee people being like, you guys, you don't understand. You guys are sitting on all the jobs right now, and we just got out of college, and we can't get a job
Starting point is 00:43:51 because you guys are in those jobs right now. I love it, dude. And I'm like, what? The CIA doesn't even need to exist anymore. The culture, now is just like people looking to the left and to the right of them, never looking up at any system or boss and you're just going, why are all these old people next to me not retired?
Starting point is 00:44:14 I mean, the millennials are in those jobs, but that's because like the boomers and Gen X have already retired because they have actual wealth. Right. Whereas we just have to work until we are doing. Gen X are still working and the boomers are still working too, dude. Right. I'm saying like, look around right now. There is a fucking epidemic of boomers.
Starting point is 00:44:33 is that completely refusing to relinquish control, to relinquish just whatever little bits they had. And hoarding wealth. Yeah, 100%. Horting wealth and paying lower wages and making sure that, you know, wages don't increase with the cost of living and doing everything possible to make sure no one unionizes.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Like, the reason that there's no jobs isn't because millennials, because a bunch of 40-year-olds won't retire. We want to retire. Are you kidding? That's a funny. So many of the comments are like, Like, hey, if you have a way for me to fucking retire right now, I'll take it. And you can have my fucked up job.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Please. Give me the golden pistol. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's because, like, they didn't grow up with, like, we grew up with the idea of, you know, industries and, and, and all these. Like, there were functioning institutions and places where you could, like, get a job and stay there for, and remember that? Remember the old career advice? It's like, you can't quit your job before 18 months or people are going to ask you about. the whole.
Starting point is 00:45:34 What's going on here? Now, there is no industry that lasts longer than 18 months. Yeah. And I think if you're a Zoomer, you don't, you weren't brought up with any of that knowledge. You're like, okay, there's like three jobs, which is like being a doctor or an influencer. And then they're like, oh, millennials, they're taking all these like influencing jobs. It should be ours. Let's be real.
Starting point is 00:45:54 That that is what they're talking about. You're like, you're taking all my brand deals. Yeah. But like, no, there's no, we had to grow up with the knowledge, or they told us, you've got to go to college, then you get the good job. And this is like, I think we were. And then you get the power and then you get the money. And then you get the women.
Starting point is 00:46:16 But I don't know if we were the first generation, but it feels like we were the first generation that we graduated college and everyone was like, psych. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Like, we are that, like, we are that like sort of. truly disillusioned generation where we were mainlining all the same propaganda about like, you know, having a good credit score and you go to college to enter the middle class and then you're going to home and da-da-da-da-da. And then, yeah, like I always say this all the time, like, I graduated college in 2007. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Right. Yeah. I walked out of school with my degree into the fall of 2007 as like Lehman Brothers. It's just like falling apart. And I'm like, we got raised by a generation that came up in the 50s and 60s, which was like, the most, like, literally the most prosperous time in human history where if you could, like, write your name on top of a piece of paper, you automatically got a job. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Yeah. Where you could retire at 65 and afford, you know, like a two-week vacation. And college was free. Yeah. And fucking like, it's just, it's just, yeah, they grew up in abundance. It's, yeah, I think what the larger issue is here is like, I think zoomers have no fucking clue who is in what generation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:29 That's true, though. They're like, millennials need to retire. Boomers and millennials. I'm like, do you know who Gen X? Like, you're just skipping a whole group. Right. Yeah. At the oldest, millennials are like 45.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't retirement age, you know? And so I think it's just sort of, I think Mike Drucker had a text or a tweet that was sort of like, boomers think anyone under 25 is like a millennial. And like, zoomers think anyone over like 60, or, you know, zoomers think anyone over 60 is a millennial.
Starting point is 00:47:58 It's just like, like, everyone's so fucking confused over who this is. They did fuck up the names because, like, my theory is that if you were not, if you were born before, like, 1986 or so, you're like a, you're Gen Y. Like, like, when millennials came out, it was to describe people that had basically, coming in a, at the turn of the century, right? Known high-speed internet since adolescence. And I feel like if you learned to masturbate with analog sources, you cannot be a millennial. That's Gen Y. That's like, Yeah,
Starting point is 00:48:29 I prefer to be called an eternal. That's right. We are the eternals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And the woods.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. We're the woods generation. Yeah. Generation W. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Yeah. But it's interesting too, because like a lot of the comments from millennials on these posts are like, oh, you sweet child. Right. Yeah. that it this like you know we're not like that of several like oh guys you got it so wrong like yeah you don't have no idea like it says we're we're a few years ahead of you in this housecape saying
Starting point is 00:49:07 it's fucked and we're trying to we're trying to say out loud how but we need to unfuck this but then you see a lot of boomers too commenting on articles like this and they've just like and doing stitch videos with these you know other tictox and stuff and the comments all like so boomery completely ignore like the economic reality of 2020 And they're talking down. Is this my grandson? Yeah. Is that you?
Starting point is 00:49:31 Stephen, please call me. Did you get a piercing? But they're talking down to Zoomers like, because you hear this all the time. Like they talk down to us like it's 1979. And they go, I had a one bedroom apartment with my job working at a diner. Yeah, exactly. These guys are just like, you guys are just so lazy. That's the problem with this younger generation.
Starting point is 00:49:54 You're so entitled. You should have been like, me. Someone who could afford an entire house working at Denny's. Yeah, my mom would be like, I worked my, I put, I worked to put myself through college. And I was like, where did you work? And it was like a bakery. Right. I'm like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:11 That must have been fucking nice. That would have been really cool if you could afford college and room and board by working at a bakery. Yeah, yeah. It's nuts, man. I will say, though, that the younger generation is sometimes really funny. Yeah. Just the not having sort of a sense for things that you kind of just take for granted.
Starting point is 00:50:32 I saw a TikTok that was like essentially a giant conspiracy theory about the joke, the aristocrats. Wait, a conspiracy theory about the aristocrats? It was someone who saw, it was a Gen Zier who saw the documentary, the Aristocrats, right. And rather than it being, you know, what it was on its face, which is a documentary about a joke in which you come up with the most offensive, most disgusting version of it. This person was like, this is a joke you have to tell in order to get in good with Hollywood. And they make you numb to the horrible things that they're going to say. And beyond that, it was like talking about how Bob Sagitt was the most evil man in the world.
Starting point is 00:51:18 And all the comments were like, yes. And I was like, guys, that's the point of the joke. I agree it's offensive, but it is literally supposed to be. And I just, there's like, there's a cuteness. One of the characters in this joke are low-key problematic. Well, right. They're describing a very, like, sick family. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:40 These are the performances they're doing. And then she said, why were people talking about them instead of getting them help? And then she said, and if you want to know what this, this joke really means, look up the word aristocrat and you'll understand. And I was like, guys. I don't this is really galaxy brain I guess these people write Brian Callan's stand-up
Starting point is 00:52:01 special that came out recently Jesus Christ It's really it's really insane So I will say that you know That's just the youth You know I would say I was gonna say zoomers
Starting point is 00:52:11 I'm pretty sure this is a gen alpha thing Where it's like They sort of have a sense Of the world being fucked up And they're sort of gradually coming to grips Of that but then they've also like Never actually read a book Yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:52:21 So it's like They're piecing to together like scraps of this bigger story from like various TikToks and snapchats. Do you remember like 10 years ago when like Jaden and Willow Smith went viral in that interview? Because they were just talking absolute nonsense like pseudo intellectual bullshit. That to me is like sort of indicative of kind of like sort of like where a lot of this comes from is like it's sort of like you're young and you're, you're hearing some out there shit that like smart people are talking about. don't really bother to really examine it and just take that little bit and go, yep, I'm just going to use this as my sort of filter to now process a bunch of information, even though it's completely misses the mark of what was actually the intent of the thing. Yeah, the intent of it. I mean, those two literally were, uh, that's what happens when you're around of like, around like a lot of smart, successful, artistic and, and, uh, you know, business people, but you didn't, you literally didn't go to school.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Right. Yeah. homeschooled. Like they actually did not go to school. Right. That's kind of, yeah. Well, I think they went, we're like, went to that like weird, like,
Starting point is 00:53:25 dot questionable. Scientology school where people weren't willing to be like, are Jada and Will? Yeah. Hiding a secret? But I also think like, like Elron Hubbard had a thing where, uh,
Starting point is 00:53:37 children are not children. They're just adults in small bodies. So I think there's like a strain of, of science. Well, I mean, aside from the problematic nature of that, I think there's also a thing where it's like,
Starting point is 00:53:47 you don't need school. Because you're already... You are fully formed theaton. You just have to embrace your thetonism, and you will rise to level of OT3. Yeah. All right. So good luck to you guys.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I'm just going to say, we will fight shoulder to shoulder with you in the resource wars, okay, because we will... No one's arguing that you didn't get fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:54:09 It's like, to the young Gen Z people who are sort of misguided in this, I get what you're saying. But you have to really think logically, right? the people, millennials are not the people that are in these super upper management roles, like near the C-suite. We are typically people are like middle management. And I get that there's lower entry-level positions, but there's a huge glut and resources being taken up by people in upper management in the C-suite.
Starting point is 00:54:36 So all of our wages are very low because of that. And there needs to be higher turnover. But again, that's a much larger, I think, issue that we need to grapple with. And I think, and I get it, it's easier to just be like, oh, my God. God, the Malina's so fucking cringed. You get the fuck out of the way. Yeah. I think maybe they think we took all the jobs because we all have to work like six jobs.
Starting point is 00:54:55 That's actually, I think that's correct. They're like, you guys took all the jobs. You know, all those jobs you work in order to make one fucking adult wage? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I feel kind of responsible too for that. You know, this younger generation is just like there's already too many podcasts. And I want to say, sorry. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Sorry, yeah. We wanted to have real jobs. I wanted to work with desk. I've always wanted desk. I always wanted desk. I remember office. I had an office job. I used to go to the water cooler.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Dude, I would go to the kitchen and there would be snackies. And I would eat the snackies and I would talk with like Deborah or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we would just be like, man, did you see what Brian was wearing? And we would laugh. And, oh, what happened? They had three bagels one day a week.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Oh, yeah. It was so awesome. Amazing. All right. Well, let's take your. And when we come back, we'll talk about Governor Greg Abbott and one of Elron Hubbard's ops, Isaac Asimov. Oh, yeah. The long loading times.
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Starting point is 00:56:35 We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Youanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get any of your fighting. That is wild.
Starting point is 00:56:57 I learned that about YouTube. Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business. And I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're going to talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't really care.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Hi, this is Kylie Breakman. Angel Geratana. Jeremy Colhane. Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists Podcast. The Improvised Character Comedy Podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal.
Starting point is 00:58:01 I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class?
Starting point is 00:58:12 No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audra McDonald's at the Wonderland Bookstore. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore yesterday, and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark Thirteen.
Starting point is 00:58:27 No way. You have to come to the last bookstore, though. Kim Cottrell is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. He gets right up next to the microphone.
Starting point is 00:58:45 I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on the I-Hurt radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcasts. The True Crime Comedy Podcasts, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on incredible guests like Conan O'Brien, Iowa Debrie,
Starting point is 00:59:15 Lamorne Morris, and Nicole Byer. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for a hour. You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams.
Starting point is 00:59:27 from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe against scammers. Call your grandparents, tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy, and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals,
Starting point is 00:59:53 start listening to scam goddess on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you're. you get your podcast. By age 11 or so, at least 70% have a phone. Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy, and this is therapy for black girls. We spend real time on it in our surviving middle school run, bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist
Starting point is 01:00:16 who's raising two black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological and psychological and psychological chaos happening all this same job. We got into group chat. and gaming, friendships and bullying, and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust.
Starting point is 01:00:36 There's belonging. You could think of belonging as, I can be myself and I can still be accepted. And then there's fitting in. Spitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid rejection. Then we turn the conversation toward the fathers, sitting down with therapist Keer Gaines on Black fatherhood
Starting point is 01:00:54 and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have on shorts, so you can't do flips, you have on the dressy, you have to cross your legs. That's the range of this run, from screen time to identity to the father's doing the work at home. You have to get off her device. But the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as your adults in their lives to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who spend their careers thinking about exactly this.
Starting point is 01:01:20 I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Self-care September is here, which means it's time to rethink what self-care actually means. Yes, self-care can be a long walk. It can be in everything shower. It can be putting your phone on, do not disturb. But sometimes it's actually about sitting with the uncomfortable stuff. And understanding your patterns, your boundaries,
Starting point is 01:01:45 finally figuring out while you keep doing things that you swore you would never do again. I'm Gemma Spegg, the host of the Psychology of Your 20s podcast. And each week, we unpack the psychology behind the experiences that shape your 20. from relationships and friendships to money, anxiety, confidence, attachment, just becoming more comfortable with who you are. Unlike the quarter life crisis, which is depicted as the collapse, the quarter life reinvention is the expansion and growth of something. When we develop the ability to be happy by ourselves,
Starting point is 01:02:14 nobody else can take that from you. So this self-care September, don't just take care of yourself, get to know yourself as well. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. costs. Whether you're stepping up to the starting line of a marathon or just trying to take the first step toward a big, scary goal, the conversation in your head is usually the same. Do I have what it takes? I'm Emily Abadi, and on hurdle with Emily Abadi, we dive into the grit,
Starting point is 01:02:42 vulnerability, and mindset that fuels our greatest comebacks. I talk to elite athletes, Olympic champions, industry change makers, and everyday runners about how they face self-doubt, redefine success, and keep moving forward when life gets heavy. I just love to say I never know who's watching. So you want to make sure you, you through and through, and you just stay true to who you are. Yeah, your path might change because different things come on your path to disrupt it, but it's just putting you on a new path and the skills, you have to have faith at the skills that you've learned and developed over time are going to continue to bring you success. When the world is burning and crashing around you, will you still say fight for your dream?
Starting point is 01:03:18 Will you still say it's possible? Will you still believe you're a good person? Can you still see the brighter side of tomorrow? It's motivation. Real talk. and practical wisdom for life on and off the run. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Probably ambiently have been hearing that diesel fuel prices are going up. And that's bad because, you know, it's like the fucking lifeblood of our trucks, our semis, agricultural equipment. The things we need to move shit around and process.
Starting point is 01:04:02 shit out in the field. It's a pretty important form of dinosaur goo that we need for our machines. Can I briefly interject? I've been radicalized by reading the story of the guy who invented the diesel engine, whose name was actually diesel. People forget that's like an actual guy. So, Kill O'Neill. The whole reason he
Starting point is 01:04:22 invented diesel was because he was German and like they didn't have a lot of petroleum reserves. And so he wanted to invent like an engine. What year? Engine that... I just want to know what kind of German,
Starting point is 01:04:35 what year... I think it was between... It was like... I can't remember it was after World War I or sometime around then. So, uh, that...
Starting point is 01:04:44 But he was one of the good ones. He wanted to invent, like, an engine that you could run on, like, any type of oil. Uh, and that could, like, burn clean and that's basically... Peanut, snake. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:57 No, you could. Like, this whole point was, like, the whole reason that he invented it was, you could run it off of like any type of oil. It didn't have to be petroleum-based. But then, of course, you know, the Rockefellers and the people that were running the big oil companies were like, nah, we're going to run it on all petroleum-based products. And that's where we are now. He like also like vanished, right?
Starting point is 01:05:22 Yes. That's what I was reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Yeah, also Matt, a bit of good news. He died in 1913. Oh, thank you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Yeah, yeah. No Nazi diesel in this house. No, he was probably a really normal German in the 19-13. Wait, so he vanished. Anyways, we're getting off the subject of diesel. He was on a boat and vanished. He took dinner on board the ship and then retired to his cabin about 10 p.m., leaving word to be called the next morning at 6.15 a.m. But he was never seen alive again in the morning his cabin was empty and his bed had not been slept.
Starting point is 01:05:55 And although his night shirt was neatly laid out, his watch had been left where it could be seen from the bed. his hat and neatly folded overcoat were discovered beneath the afterdeck railing. I believe the book that I read presented the theory that he was actually a British agent who had, like, defected because, you know, bad stuff was happening in Germany and also the Rockefellers might have been trying to kill him. Wow. Yeah. Great. I love that. This is all good backstory for Governor Greg Abbott, who's trying to do something because right now the prices are getting higher and higher. Trump is currently doing
Starting point is 01:06:31 fuck all to end the war with Iran. The latest was that he turned down a proposal from Iran that would have reopened the Strait of Hormuz if the U.S. pulled back the naval blockade. And so he's now just like all in. He's like, no, I want nuclear concessions. And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:06:47 Like, that's not the damage that's being done is because the Strait of Hormuz is fully shut down. It's not because they might have enough nuclear capability for like a power generation station. What are we saying? here. But again, I think that's also because this is because Trump needs
Starting point is 01:07:03 something in writing that looks like something changed because we all know. You're not, you did all this for fucking nothing to fucking just waste a fuck ton of money and you didn't get anything in return and you thought you were going to do something. So I think that's the only way he'd be like, well, I did get a better
Starting point is 01:07:19 nuclear deal than Obama and completely destroyed the global energy market. So anyway, now diesel again, in the news. And it's a lot of times, you know, right now, because it's becoming very, very unaffordable, a lot of people are looking at politicians, especially the ones that are up for re-election, like, hey, you're going to fucking do something about this? Yeah. Like, you're in office.
Starting point is 01:07:42 What's your like, like, solution here? Are you just going to be like, I don't know, guys, I'm going to throw my hands up? Well, one of those politicians is Governor Greg Abbott of Texas. It's currently in a pretty tight race with Gina Hinojosa and has had to do something about it to show his constituents. cares and by something i just i do mean just make a big statement hell yeah makes it seem like you care give me words baby yeah it's just a bunch a bunch of minor band-aid fixes that might not translate in the way you're trying to say it will he has declared a statewide disaster over diesel prices cool yeah well this sucks yeah this shit's a
Starting point is 01:08:26 disaster guys What are you going to do? Who this? I've declared this a national shit as fuck today. Yeah. Crazy, right, guys? Yeah. National, this shit's crazy, huh guys?
Starting point is 01:08:40 Yeah, yeah. Real crazy. My fellow Texans. No! How come! How come? This is, quote, the 30-day disaster declaration, which can be extended and definitely allowed Abbott to lift some restrictions on commercial transportation,
Starting point is 01:08:58 which he said will alleviate some of the, the elevated costs. Some of it. Oh, good. Diesel, again, goes on. The declaration expands to the use of dye diesel on Texas roads, which is usually like stuff for like off-road vehicles,
Starting point is 01:09:10 suspends Texas low-emission diesel rules to the limit the federal government authorizes and raises the allowable weight for fuel agricultural and timber loads. The governor also requested the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to waive federal ultra-low sulfur diesel requirements to boost supply. Are you saying that his declaration of disaster was actually just a way to deregulate? That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:09:32 I never would have expected this would be an elaborate way to do a way with important regulations. And I think if you heard what I said and none of that made sense to you in a way that makes you say, oh wow, he really is helping bring the cost of diesel down. Yeah, that's because none of this is an actual fix. And to your point, it
Starting point is 01:09:49 sounds a lot like, yeah, just trying to like change some regulations here and see if that does something. Let them breathe poison. Yeah, exactly. And also like, from what I've read, like, you know, using high sulfur diesel and engines that are designed to use low sulfur fuel will ruin them? Yeah, all I'm thinking is like... Definitely make them a lot stinkier.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Yeah, certainly that. But all I'm thinking is just, he's like, man, we got to do something about this. Can they just put some like unleaded premium in there? Right. And then it's like... Mix it up? No, I think no is the answer to that. I think you're not supposed to.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Can I just cut it with water or something? Yeah. Maybe. It's crazy because there's certainly. are reserves, right? Like there's things you can do, but they would get in the way of the very, very important
Starting point is 01:10:37 oil industry that they have in Texas. So there's no way those motherfuckers are going to let him not have those guys make a killing. Sure. Again, you could do a lot to use alternate forms of diesel. Like, there are a lot of clean burning versions of diesel that you might be able to help transition towards. Put some snake oil in there, baby.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Yeah. I don't know about that. Now you're talking hippie crap as a solution. This year a truck gets eight snakes to gallon. Oh, wow. Yeah. What do you got in there? Eight snakes?
Starting point is 01:11:10 Yeah, about. 500 snake power. Oh, the truck starts slithering. Wow, cool. This here truck's a sidewinder. Oh, no. This truck is choking me to death. It was a baby, and it didn't know how to release a venom properly.
Starting point is 01:11:27 I'm sick. So, yeah, again, like, this is just one of those things, too, where they're just posturing and pretending like they're doing something. And I think most people now, like, you, they don't have a solution to consumer go to gas pump number too high. Right. Yes. And then number for everything else too high. Yeah. The solution isn't, oh, I'm doing something about it.
Starting point is 01:11:50 You have to be honest with people. Like, we're here because of this stupid fucking administration. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But they're doing the classic, no, it's actually. environmentalists that did this. Yeah, yeah, and that's, and the thing which is so stupid,
Starting point is 01:12:01 I was saying this yesterday to Jack, like, there's the way, like, so many, like, the DNC does this and the GOP does this, where, like, they use these, like, really stupid, childish explanations that they, that used to work on an uninformed populace to be like, you know, like, with the billionaire tax right now, they're like, they're going to leave California, you know? And you're like, yeah, maybe that worked 15, 20 years ago.
Starting point is 01:12:25 Yeah, right. Now people fucking know that has never happened. So try a new fucking tactic here in the same way, you know, this is that everyone just wants to kind of have a very patronizing explanation to just sort of dead the argument. But now people are, again, they are their lived experience. You can't overcome that with by being just like, we're going to, we're going to lower the wave ultra low sulfur diesel requirements. Yeah. I love all the texts that I get about why the billionaire tax is like a bad idea. Or it's like, oh, this is actually the solution's going to be more trouble than the problem.
Starting point is 01:12:59 And blah, blah. And it's like, at this point, I'm kind of like, if you give me a grenade, I'm just going to pull the pin and see what happens. Like, if I suffer, if I have to suffer a little bit to see some billionaires suffer, dude, give me that one. Honestly, it's like they're willing to fucking, you know, guinea pig the working class on fucking everything. Like, let's just try it out. Right. But then, you know, it's like, what if we make your doctor the auto correct? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Dr. Rottom, correct? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, we're talking about people that have over one billion dollars. I know. This isn't not even close to the scary. Well, they're going to come for you. It's like, no, this is a one time to read the language in the bill.
Starting point is 01:13:43 It's so crazy to me because in my... I don't even care. If the bill says we get to hunt them for sport, that's a good bill. Yeah, exactly. In my peasant mind, and I realize, I have the mind of a peasant. I'll never be able to not have that. In my peasant mind of your new album, you're putting out? Yeah, Mind of a Peasant by Matt Leaves.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Mind of a Peasant, yeah. He died from eating a nacho cheese Dorito. In my peasant mind, I'm like, why not, why do they not just simply give us some crumbs and then continue exploiting us? And every time I think that, I have to remind myself that they all. All our friends. And anyone who's like, you're going to give crumbs. Well, not my crumbs. You can't fucking have my crumbs.
Starting point is 01:14:31 The oil industry is like, oh, you can't have my crumbs. Sorry. Well, what about you, tech industry? Fuck off. What about your crumbs? What about your crumbs? Healthcare? None of them ever wanted, they don't want to be the ones to do it.
Starting point is 01:14:43 So we're forever in this like, you know, closer and closer to absolute, you know, violent revolution or whatever. Well, they, yeah, they forgot that the, like, they thought the. mid-20th century where, you know, the capital made like a pretty good deal with labor. They thought that was, they're like, they forgot that they did that so that labor wouldn't kill them. They thought they were doing it like because of woke or something. I was like, no, no, this was just like a compromise so that we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Because there's, I mean, now, you know, they still don't quite get it. But I, they really, they really, underrate just how much they're mounting pressure on everybody who does the work that comes to their mansions to fix their shit and stuff like that. I know. That's why they want to build the robots so that they don't have to ever interface with people. Because they secretly want to have slaves. Yes.
Starting point is 01:15:44 Right. Exactly. Everything is just the secret needs to have slaves. That is true. At the end of the day, yeah. I mean, obviously this culture is an indebted. addiction to slavery that it cannot kick. So they're like, whatever, man.
Starting point is 01:15:57 If they're fucking robots this time, like, whatever, dude. It's like, I guess it's really not about the humanity. I just need to control a fucking thing shaped like a person. Exactly. I want something to scream when I hit it. That's all. Was that so wrong? But don't make it punch hard.
Starting point is 01:16:10 I saw that one video, the guy getting out his shit rocked by that one robot. I hate that. All right. And then finally, just, just want to check in. Isaac Asimov has been, like, his name has been evoked constantly with these articles about AI safety, which is just real stupid. The guy died in 1992. Here's some headlines.
Starting point is 01:16:31 Isaac Asimov showed us how to avoid the AI apocalypse. Did he? One of science fiction's greatest writers warned us about AI. Could his ideas help us avoid a dystopian future? Could revisiting Asimov's laws help us avoid AI's Chernobyl moment? It's so funny because, first of all, Isaac, Esamov is a great science fiction writer. And so they're, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:57 he wrote great stories. He wrote great stories, but also be like, do we need to go back to Isaac Asimov's robot laws? And it's like, the robot laws are essentially just like, don't program robot to kill people. Like, you don't have to think.
Starting point is 01:17:14 Like, you don't have to be like, do we have a manual? Use your brain. That might be common sense. I don't know if we need to make a robot law. So, yeah. Crypto bro and you know social famous Army Hammer lookalike
Starting point is 01:17:28 Tyler Winklevoss He responded to the open AI whistleblower story by publicly claiming quote, We don't need the government to tell you how to make AI safe because we got Asimov's laws of robotics. Cool. A refresher.
Starting point is 01:17:42 The first law. A robot may not injure a human being or through an action allow a human being to come to harm. Law 2. The second. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the first law. Law three, a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the second or first law. And there's also a fourth one added later, which was,
Starting point is 01:18:09 a robot may not harm humanity or by inaction allow humanity to come to harm. The second law of robots is that we do not talk about robots. Yeah. There's a best law too. It's like a robot must. do sucky if program to do sucky. If you ask it to his name was robot Paulson. So. Is he basically saying like we don't need binding laws when we have these non-binding
Starting point is 01:18:34 ones from fiction? Yeah, it basically is like because we got these fairy tale stories. I mean, some tech companies have adopted the laws to like a certain extent like 2024. Google literally stated that Asimov's laws specifically the one about how quote a robot may not injure a human being
Starting point is 01:18:50 inspired their robot. Constitution so much that did. But again, everyone's like you need like to your point Matt like you need decades old books to tell you how to make robots that could just turn around and kill us all? It's just so stupid
Starting point is 01:19:06 because it's like if you are openly stating that you needed science fiction writer Isaac Asimov's writings in order to not program your robot to kill humans you're telling on yourself.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Google also famously Think about that. Well, shit, what am I going to do with this knife wielding robot? We know what you're using it for. Google also famously had the operating principle, don't be evil, that they like notably took
Starting point is 01:19:37 out. They just, they just changed the punctuation. Don't, exclamation. Be evil. Don't be evil. Like, just like, don't be. evil can evil. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:54 There's a small spelling. Yeah, it's really small fine. That's what we're talking about. Like, what are evil. It's too complex of concept. You're trying to jump to Snake River. We're trying to make snake oil.
Starting point is 01:20:04 There you go. But again, there's like, there's problems with relying on these laws. Like when it comes to AI, like for starters, three or four laws, seems inadequate. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think it's, three or four. But you're specifically saying, no, don't make laws.
Starting point is 01:20:20 That doesn't, that doesn't, doesn't compute in my mind. And I think the thing they miss, right, Isaac Asimov is a science fiction writer. He writes fiction. He writes stories that grapple with interesting ideas. So, like, again, when you look at, like, when these laws are in certain stories,
Starting point is 01:20:37 there's all this ambiguity because it creates tension for his fucking stories. Right. That's the stupidest thing about it. The stupidest thing about it is all of these stories are, you know, it's like, yeah, robots are programmed. Number one, not to kill humans, unless it'll make for an interesting story. And that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:20:56 All of it is a fucking jumping off point or conflict for a story, especially, you know, robots who are trying to follow programming that is, that conflicts with one another. Right. It's all about creating a good work of fiction. What these guys are doing are saying like, hey, the best way to regulate this is for us to tell our chatbots not to do murder. And it's like, you know, that's not really what I'm worried about when it comes to this. I'm more worried about the fact that the every fucking customer service, you know, website that I go to is just some chat bot. I can't talk to human. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:37 And the chatbot works worse than like the base level chat GPT also. Oh, yeah. Have you, like, you tried to get, like, have you had a phone, like got a robo call from my AI? Oh, yeah. Dude, I... Have you ever watched a boomer taking a robocall? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:55 They are cooked, dude. I really encourage people, when you know it's AI, start prompting it in a way to fuck with it because you can be like, hey, actually, can you speak, like, you know, I need you to actually say the word, aha at the end of every sentence.
Starting point is 01:22:11 Yeah, yeah. To see if it complies. And then guys waste a little fucking time on these things because they're, you know, like the companies that use this are paying, like by the minute. That's true. They're buying,
Starting point is 01:22:20 maybe waste some time, but also fuck it. They're just going to burn up water. So we're fucked either way. Yeah. Like, so again, one of the very first stories
Starting point is 01:22:28 to feature the laws of robotics is about a robot that starts acting all fucking wacky because it's caught in a logic loop between two laws. The robot is put in a situation where two laws, the one requiring to preserve human life and the other to preserve its own existence, conflict with like one another because it's like they're on mercury and like, like these two engineers are like, look, the robot keeps like doing like walking around in circles near this pool of selenium.
Starting point is 01:22:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it had to go mine stuff for us. But again, they were like, it's caught between two things. This is why it's a story. They're like, wow, the robot is obeying orders and also avoiding damage from the selenium gases. Wow, this is what do we do here? There's like other ones too or like a robot, you know, like violated the second law and stopped obeying humans because it decided that the solar energy station converter on like this, you know,
Starting point is 01:23:21 the space space they were on. It was sort of like a god and was the true source of authority because it felt that humans were inadequate. So like, that's what these things are for. Like, this was never to be like, and then they instituted the laws and there was nothing and nothing that ever happened. Exactly. Those would be a bunch of really boring stories. There's a reason why those laws exist in the stories. It's so that they can somehow be circumvented. It's just so, You have to be so freaking dense. And honestly, the fact that we're even talking about this right now, I know there's a lot of schools that thought about it,
Starting point is 01:23:54 but I am still sort of on the, this is all a giant PR push train. Yes. Because I, pump and dump. Yeah, I've yet to deal with AI in any way that hasn't been infuriating as opposed to like, oh, no, this, you know, this picture of Naked Garfield with his tits out. is going to kill me.
Starting point is 01:24:16 Like, I'm not worried about that. I can fight naked Garfield. I think I could take him. I could take naked Garfield. No, it's them all saying, like, we need to slow down. We need to slow this down. It could be too powerful when basically all they're saying is like, listen, investors, you're not getting the exponential growth that we promised because we don't want to destroy the earth.
Starting point is 01:24:39 Because we're too scared to see. You've got to keep giving us money, but you've got to stop expecting us to. do stuff for that money. You're being robbed by a guy who has his fingers in his like trench coat pocket right now. Yeah. Stick them up. I got it on me. No, you fucking don't, dude.
Starting point is 01:24:56 I mean, you have something like there, it certainly has its applications that are like going to save time. But like in the sense that they're saying like all of how it's going to completely upend civilization in a positive way because the only thing I've seen it's upending it in an absolute negative way. Right. This is.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Yeah, they invoke AI every time they cut. jobs. Like our newspaper chain in Fresno is owned by some private equity and they just laid off 40% of their staff. And they're like, oh yeah, but you know, we're going to have more AI do
Starting point is 01:25:27 the news. And it's like, no, no, you're not. That's just, that's just the thing that you made up. Yeah, it's really insane. It's just like they keep bringing up these fucking Terminator Matrix-ass problems as if that's what's happening right now.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Yeah. The problem is It works too well. All of the agents, the chatbot agents, were all talking, speaking their own language, and they decided to do whatever they wanted. And it's like, I don't give a shit. I don't think that's the thing I'm scared about. This thing I'm scared about is the fact that here's a great example of AI. The song recognition program on YouTube that kind of like does copyright strikes and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:26:10 Oh, like the sweepers, yeah. It recently, it recognized and gave us a copyright. you know, a claim against a song that was written by my co-host, Daniel Mate. Like, literally it's his song. And in order to clear it, he had to go to, I think it's called Tunescape or some, some like digital distributor. Nobody works there. So you have to talk to a chat bot to be like, hey, please let me, allow me to use my
Starting point is 01:26:40 song and my thing, please. Use your song? Yeah. And it's just like, oh, man, here's your ticket and we'll get right back to you. And of course, you know, there's nothing you can do about it. Everything has to take up to five hours because it's like, well, we don't really have humans working here. So we got to just tell you no until you give up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:01 Fucking hate this shit. But we just did just dump an Olympic-sized pool worth of water out. Exactly. For it to tell you. Circular argument. Dude, CVS. Oh, now you got me going. CVS.
Starting point is 01:27:13 You can't call a CVS and just get a person anymore. Now there's an AI system that you have to wait for them to finish the question in order to say yes or no. And then after three minutes of waiting, you can't say yes too early. You can't say. And then a voice machine comes on. Right. I was able to get, oh, wait, no, that was Costco. I was able to talk to a human at the Costco farm.
Starting point is 01:27:38 Costco still cares about humanity. Yeah. God bless him. God bless. Costco sponsor me, you cowards. I'll tattoo Kirkland signature on my fucking windpipe. Hell yeah, dude. My weak point.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Kirk Sigi on the throat. Anyway, Matt, Vince, thank you so much for joining me on the Daily Zeitgeist. Vince, where do the people find you, follow you, consume your works of art? Yes. Well, you can find me and Matt, our podcast at patreon.com slash frotcast. and you can find my newsletters. You can find one newsletter at vincemancini.substack.com. That one's the content reports about movies.
Starting point is 01:28:20 And you can also find me at fresno land.org slash food. That's my Fat City and Fresno Land Food, food writing. Yeah. To see that? Love to see that. And Vince, is there a work of media that you're enjoying? I forgot to ask you about. Yes.
Starting point is 01:28:35 So this one requires a slight bit of explanation because there was a news story that I posted from Fresno where a diner at the India's oven restaurant pulled a dine and dash and as he was being chased out of the restaurant by security, he got hit by a drunk driver who then pulled a hit and run. It's the circle of life. So I posted that story on Blue Sky and one of the replies to that was from Sylvia Latham at blue sky.combe who asked, what did he? order instant corma.
Starting point is 01:29:13 Wow. That is good. That's really good. Dang. Really good. Okay. Okay. We see you. The Witticisms are there. Matt Leeb. Thank you for joining me. Where the people find you follow you with some media you want to shout out. Like he said, Vince and I do a TV rewatch podcast called Pod Yourself a Gun, where we went through all of Subranoes, all of the Wire.
Starting point is 01:29:36 And now we are in season five of Mad Men. There is a parody song for every episode of The Wire and of Mad Men pretty much. So, yeah, dude, there's many reasons to do it, to listen to it. It's super good. Patreon.com slash broadcast. I also do the podcast about Palestine called Bad Hasbara, where we make fun of Israeli propaganda. And you can follow me on Instagram at Matt Leap Jokes. It's my following.
Starting point is 01:30:09 In terms of a piece of media that I've been enjoying, I've been just rereading this one screenshot from Business Insider. This is from their Instagram, Business Insider and Insider Tech. It's a picture of Israeli captive, Noah Argamani. And it's just her in front of a building, you know, with a nice, like, business shirt on. And it says, why Noah Argamani chose venture capital after 246 days in Hamas captivity? Oh, my. And I'm like, is that combination of words? It's just the combination of words is so insane that I was just like, I don't even want to read the article.
Starting point is 01:30:56 I just want to look at this picture and just absorb it. How dare they kidnap job creators? I guess. It's like laundering the reputation of venture capital through like the tragedy. of being a hostage in any kind of way. It's like, what is that even mean? It just makes no sense to, and it, you know, it was like, when I was in those tunnels, I was like, I had a bunch of ideas.
Starting point is 01:31:18 They weren't listening to me about it. I was in the tunnels. I was thinking to myself, I wonder if I could get Series A funding for a cat that is connected to the internet. If these guys had only had seed capital, I don't think I'd be in this dungeon right now. Like, I truly believe all boats rise. That's how I think. That's how I think.
Starting point is 01:31:38 I love that. It all reminds me of that scene in Arrested Development where Tobias Fuenke is talking about the problems with his marriage. And he goes, well, I don't want to blame it all on 9-11. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what does that do with anything? Iconic. You can find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
Starting point is 01:31:59 I'm talking shit about 90-day fiancé. I'm 420-day fiancé. I'm talking shit about English Premier League football, soccer on Ain't a Footie. check that out that's with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin a work of media I like and I'm glad you guys are here
Starting point is 01:32:13 do you guys know the the channel the Instagram account dabaholic that does those like dream sopranos like dreamy sopranos edits no I think I may have seen this at some point
Starting point is 01:32:25 dream core one this one this one's called a Don doesn't wear shorts and I'll just play a little bit of you because like they're all like got these like dreamy sort of scents underneath it and like these like bloom filters So this is a Don doesn't wear shorts.
Starting point is 01:32:38 Doesn't wear shorts. And they're showing Tony with his shorts on. Don doesn't wear shorts. They just keep like editing these like silly moments with it. There's so many like I'm telling you, whatever your favorite soprano scene, this person has definitely done an edit for. And I've constantly been sending it with like my other
Starting point is 01:32:58 sopranos brain friend and also sharing them with you. So that's at dabaholic on Instagram. Just that whole account, all great sopranos memes. I actually know a little of the backstory of how that episode came about, which is that David Chase had that episode where Tony's like grilling in shorts. Right. And then I guess he was being contacted by these like ex-mob guys who were like, Hey, not for nothing, but a Don would never wear shorts.
Starting point is 01:33:23 That's, uh, you know, we don't do that. Oh, and that's why Carmine had said that to him. Yep. Yeah. Mr. Lupertazzi. Really representing the real, the real fucking Don's out there. Yeah, I mean, he was the way he was, do they even make sausages all connected like that anymore?
Starting point is 01:33:41 I thought that was just the cartoons. Yeah, right? God damn. Gotta go to Satrials. Yeah, exactly. Don Draper. There, wow. Look at you.
Starting point is 01:33:50 I brought it up. I brought it around. Good job. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zikeyes. We're at the Daily Zikeyes on Instagram. Go to the description of this episode on whatever app player, whatever website you're listening to. There at the bottom, you'll find the footnotes.
Starting point is 01:34:02 Footnotes. Thank you. Uh, which is where we link off to the. information we talked about in the episode today, as long as, as well as a song, I think you're going to enjoy. That song is a track called Blend by the LA band, really from the I.E., the Inland Empire called Brain Story. It's like, it's just got a nice, like, laid back kind of groovy feel to it. The little, the synth at the beginning feel very like Roy Ayers-esque. So if you kind of like that, check this out. This is Blend by Brain Story. Daily Zite, guys,
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