The Daily Zeitgeist - Sex Work: Society’s Oldest Scapegoat, America Runs On Wall Street 11.17.21

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

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Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball

just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 211 episode 2 of your daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is wednesday november 17 2021 which means it's national education support

professionals day yeah which yeah that includes secretaries classroom aides cafeteria workers maintenance workers bus drivers everyone who supports educators school leadership and the students too shout out to all y'all did you ever have a a person in this uh category that you remember fondly like not a teacher but just on the i guess the, the support professional? Yeah, I mean, the front office at Normandy Elementary School in Dayton, Ohio, the person who, like, answered the phone and was sort of the office manager in the principal's office was, like, probably the face. I remember her more than I remember the principal. I don't know who the principal was but I can still

picture her face and hear her voice I remember the one of the maintenance guys in my elementary school this guy Steve he like I was in like the video like yearbook class in eighth grade and so we ran around with his camera like jackass style we didn't know what he was doing we're like hey man say something to class or blah blah blah like shout him out would you have any words of wisdom and this dude this guy was very few words ever spoken by this guy he looked straight in the camera and he said what is air who are you really that's my message and we were like yo steve okay thank you and also shout out marvis the bus driver who would always drive our sports team. Yeah. Did I say the wrong episode number at the top? Yes. Sorry.

Hey, that's on me. It's on all of us. It's a group effort. Yeah. It is episode three. They know. They know. Okay.

Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I've been waiting for a shark to come and bite into these thick thighs. I've been waiting for Miss Cantor to slap and knock out my lights. I've been waiting for someone to ask me how is my wife. Yeah, waiting for Thanksgiving. It's the Daily Zeitgeist. That is courtesy of Lex Lugie, a little foreigner.

And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Oh, man. He got 40 months and 15 days. Tried to take a life away. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Subpoenas fly every night and get snubbed the next day. Weak sentences from DOJ. Oh, since they're white men, they can do whatever they want.

They can hum whomever they choose. Meet with Giuliani in a fancy restaurant. But nothing, yeah, nothing can make that big lie true. Because we came within a hair, within a hair of a coup. Okay, shout out to Marky Markorelius for that very atonal off pitch version of Prince's. Yes, Prince, not Sinead O'Connor's. Nothing compares to you. Oh, yeah.

That's why I had to hit you with the. OK. Just to anchor a little bit. Look, I was in a panic and it's hard. You know, I'll never do Prince properly. So, look, it was a harrowing affair for everyone, not just you, the listener. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a comic writer and sex workers rights advocate who hosts

the oldest profession podcast please welcome the brilliant the talented caitlin bailey thank you so much for having me i'm thrilled to be here i'm sorry i don't have a song prepared no that's okay all right well what's your karaoke song that's what I do when people ever say that oh man it's probably Miranda Lambert's Gunpowder and Lead oh hell yeah alright that's fucking hardcore

I don't know if there's a way to improv that but we will pretend that that was you it's not I don't I don't have that personality right right my attention whore buttons have been hit I'm not I don't have that personality. Right, right. My attention whore buttons have been hit. I don't want it that bad.

Fully depressed. No need to activate. We hit ours every day. I get it. You're in North Carolina. What's North Carolina like? What's the weather like down there? I am in Raleigh, North Carolina. We do fall real nice down here.

We are. Good showing. City nice down here. We are, yeah. Good showing, you know, City of Oaks. It's nice. Oh, is that like the nickname? City of Oaks? Yeah, that's our thing. We drop an acorn every New Year's, you know, like instead of the ball.

Oh, really? It's an acorn. Yeah, that's a real thing. Oh, that's so folksy. Yeah, we're great. It's the capital. You know, we read the research triangle a lot of phds in the area right right right it's we it's cute we do we do it cute shout out to all of you

we got a lot of listeners in north carolina we got to make a show we got to make a trip out there you should come durham's really cool a lot of great performance spaces there's a neat comedy scene here it's cool yeah because it's funny whenever i read i feel like every in-flight magazine i was reading like in the aughts was about like, dude, you got to come to Raleigh-Durham. Like it's changing. The old tobacco mills, now a funky art house and brewery. That's true. Yeah. All of that happened. You haven't been lied to. Yeah, that's very real. I just would always like flip through the pages on a five. Damn, that's cool. That looks like an old fucking Dor doral like tobacco facility and now they're selling tchotchkes in there okay yeah it's uh

it's a real thing my aunt in montclair has been like looking at like old cigar factory you know apartments in in durham it's like the cool place to be oh is that kind of like the flow of like how the buildings are turning over historically, like the once like historical tobacco infrastructure buildings are now like great live work lofts. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want your condo to come with charm? Then, you know, things needed, you know, we have history down here. And by charm is a tobacco laden patina on all the walls.

Do you mean brick you can't insulate? We got you. Right. Does it get cold there too? I mean, I guess. I think it's all relative. We have all the seasons. There's a reason to buy boots, but not for long.

I love that because we're in LA. It's shorts or pants. By the way, this might be something you notice as we go along, but all research that we do on this show is done in in-flight magazines from the early aughts. Just be aware of that. It's a great reference. don't know an annotated bib at the end of your show oh yeah we do yeah we do footnotes and it's all they all link off to various departures magazines all right well caitlin we're gonna get to know you a little

bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about we're gonna talk about why Wall Street ghouls shouldn't be reporting on the economy, maybe, even though that seems to be the default at this point. If you're going to talk about anything having to do with money, you need to have spent your time in the trenches at Morgan Stanley or some fucking shit like that.

At Credit Suisse. Yeah. We're going to talk about the University of Austin, which we've all been following with bated breath here. Barry Weiss's university that is somehow related to Austin. They have a house in Austin that I think they Airbnb'd for the press release. But they lost two of their biggest names. So we're going to laugh at them a little bit.

We're going to talk about the show You because Laura Ingram has brought it to, you know, you know how sometimes you listen to a podcast that talks about a piece of culture, like Las Culturistas, one of my favorite podcasts. They talked about Survivor for a while and it made me almost want to watch Survivor. Well, another one of my favorite podcasts they talked about Survivor for a while and it made me almost want to watch Survivor well another one of my favorite cultural commentators Laura Ingram

just talked about the show you and so uh we're gonna talk about why yeah no she's she had some hot takes yeah and then we're gonna talk about why the New York City Subways is the last bastion of purity and innocence. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Oh, the last couple of things I was Googling Lycoris, who was a Greek mime in ancient Rome, who was also a courtesan. So for the podcast.

In ancient Rome, who was also a courtesan, so for the podcast. And then also parts for a 1987 Nissan that I guess I'm responsible for. So that's been a journey. Yeah, wait, who's Lycoris? You said Lycoris is the name? Yeah, Lycoris, which I haven't talked to. I'm not confident that's how you pronounce it. But like, yeah, she was awesome. She was born sort of the the end of the Republic.

She was a lover to Mark Anthony. Sort of, you know, when he was with J-Lo. Oh, yeah. So, you know, Anthony. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

No, no, no. Not that. Sorry. That'd be great. But no, no, no, no. It's great. So she is. Yeah.

And she rose to prominence and was like treated as like a respectable woman. And Cicero had a problem with it and told her to shut her whore mouth. And Mark Anthony was like, you know, I've done what I can. And she disappeared from history. So that's her story. So Cicero was like, we don't want somebody with some, we don't need sex positivity in our time. Yeah, absolutely. You can't be forcing my wife to meet this woman at parties and stuff.

You got to keep her where the sluts live. Those are the rules. What was the... Wait, so back in those times, was it... What was sort of the hierarchy? Is it a completely impossible feat for her to get to that place?

That's interesting. Rome is way more patriarchal and like misogynistic than ancient greece right so in ancient greece you know priestess prostitutes are like goddesses that serve or you know like priestesses that serve the goddess through sacred sex and something that we would sort of recognize like high-end you know like high art performance sex work that is still happening today, right? So those people had social power, and there were temples and systems and places carved out. So Phryne is an ancient Greek courtesan who was tried for blasphemy because she got uppity or whatever, and she bared her breasts to the jury and basically said, like, my, you know, my tits are divine and fight me if you disagree. And she won. Right. courtesans in ancient rome had no such power there was a lot more restriction on their freedom of

movement and specifically their sort of like ascent into social circles so it was actually illegal for it had mark anthony married this woman he would have by default and by roman law lost his rank oh wow right but like also he would have lost his rank and like ancient roman politicians or whatever and folks in the military would lose their rank if they ever performed on a stage. So like that association of like actress and sex work or like performer and and, you know, salaciousness or whatever goes way back and ancient Roman mimes directly, you know, they're not they're not the mimes of today. They're not the silent kind. It's actually a predecessor to comedy more than comedy in the theater tradition, which is way stricter and scripted

and had a lot more rules. This was just improv on current events, which is what you guys do. Wow. Okay. So we are the courtesans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coors and gestures have occupied the same position the whole time. Okay. So we are the courtesans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whores and jesters have occupied the same position the whole time. Exactly. And we just give our hot takes for Casper mattresses.

Damn, yes. We were all playing to the pleasure of the king. Are there cultures that were less patriarchal and were more accepting of sex work than ancient Rome? Don't ask stuff that's impossible, man. No, no, no. there's real history here.

What are some of the greatest hits? Because, yeah, I feel like we are in the Roman tradition and we assume that we are progressive, but we're actually, compared to other cultures throughout history, we kind of suck. Centuries behind. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of evidence about different beliefs around like

women and gender and bodies that provides like a way better foundation, right? In indigenous communities across North America. There's also like in Brazil and India, there's a long tradition here. Ancient Greece, when you're talking about like the Western tradition is sort of like when my when my story of history which is like way oversimplified right i do 10 000 years in 75 minutes right like there's a lot of erasure and oversimplification that happens but like i kind of pin ancient greece as like the briny waters where like we see patriarchy right we start to do lineage through the dad but goddesses that engage in the erotic arts still have real power

yeah that's cool and we go through phases right like the medieval period is like another upstart then you have like you know the witch burnings and you have like you know the the descent of disease i like it's yeah but this is my favorite topic and i'll you know i will corner you at a party i know oh yeah it's it it's always frustrating when we have a guest on who's like, oh, the thing you talk about on your podcast is way more interesting than the news. We should just talk about that the whole time. But we'll try and fit in some news. But I want to keep talking about this. What's something you think is overrated?

You know, I think the police are overrated. They're like pretty new in society. And they like by design protect property and not people. And we should either get like real honest about that and ask ourselves questions about how we want our tax dollars used. Or we should, you know, pay other people to do this protected serve thing. Because like that's not what they do. Right. What did people used to do before the police like uh you had a night's watchman which was often

a punishment right so if you like it was often given to drunkards right who would be forced to like walk around the village or whatever and like yeah yeah they're often found sleeping on their posts you know right yeah you had it was you know it's community relationships community vigilance you do have you know villages will get together and like tell you that you have to sit with your hands and head in a wooden thing and people throw eggs and insults at you and yeah we call it it wasn't necessarily better but like right we still do that in my household but it's more a thing that consensual is that yeah let me know i'm garbage the community aspect of it really seems to be

like the because that's something we're seeing a lot in the zeitgeist and just in like modern culture is that like there's this abstraction from like humans by nature are like part of communities that like you know solve problems together and have relations and you know value to one another and care what other people think of them and like care about people and like spend their time solving each other's problems and by like we've we've reached this point in capitalism where like not only are like workers like being like abstracted to like numbers on a spreadsheet that like corporations are you know adding and subtracting and you know moving around but like that's almost like pervaded to know, social media to like how we interact with each other.

Like we don't even see one another. We don't even really out for one another. And that's how you like protect each other and, you know, stay safe. Yeah, we did. We did a couple of really dangerous things. We equated justice with violence and punishment, right? And then, you know, we're suffering from a crisis of isolation of like, you know, solitary confinement and the way that we sort of like, you know, remove people from society,

both as part of like the punishment system that we have. And then also increasingly, as you said, with work, you know, we sort of can look to what's happening in China right now, where people are spending nearly 20 hours a day or whatever, like in a room behind a screen doing like various jobs. We're doing that to ourselves. Like we're and it's grounded in this idea of, I don't know, individualism and vigilantism. That's so much a part of the American story but i feel like we've really gotten like drunk on violence for lack of a better term and it reflects in the systems that we create and like our prison system is one reflection of that but like our work systems also reflect those values right yeah it's almost like there's a there's like a line between like how hard is your job and is that a job then?

Right. You know, but then but then that's question stops being asked when you get to the C-suite and you're like, I'm sorry, what do you do here again? Because you get paid the most. So I'd imagine your hands must be bloodied with all the hard work. No, no, no. Yeah. It turns out that the top job is to take really good care of yourself. And we just be doing more of that. Right. Right. right right oh yeah that's a myth that i feed you all so you yeah yeah yeah yeah if you want me to look good and sound good at interviews i have to sleep and that means i have to move my body every day and that's why this trainer is on company payroll i get it like exactly but the protect property not people thing is such a pervasive value like we're seeing that in the kyle rittenhouse trial right now like he went there to protect property and kill people and the judge is like yeah no that's we can't call them victims because he was protecting property he was cleaning fucking graffiti off buildings so he's a fucking

hero like that right and we really see the rise of police departments during this this transition period in the u.s from chattel slavery right to the prison industrial complex that we know today that's sort of like 1850s through 1870s like it's the descent of jim crow in the south right and roving polices mostly targeting immigrant communities right in the north and our criminal justice system and the laws that we write and the justification that we use for the labor exploitation that is happening, right, still in prisons today, right? Like, if you tell yourself a story about how if you were alive during slavery, you would have fought against it, like, you have that opportunity every day, right? Like, this is a horrific human suffering that we continue to do

on people, and it shapeshifts. And the language that we use to describe it changes, but the reality of it really doesn't. And so, you know,

I think it's important to talk about the way that police came up to hunt for runaway slaves in the South, right? Right. And to protect industrialist property in their absence at port cities in the South, right? Right. And to protect industrialist property

in their absence at port cities in the North. And like, that's the origin story. And in a way, it's like two birds with chattel slavery. It's like, it turns out that people are the property in this case, so I'm kind of doing it all. Yeah. Yeah, and we justified the whole thing by saying that what we were really doing was protecting white women.

Right. This is when we see the white slave law. Right. Of 1910. This is when we have this moral panic over white slavery, which is the same storyline that we see today in the kind of trafficking fears. through another sex panic, right, in the wake of a racial reckoning, right, that is going to be used to justify a violent crackdown on already oppressed communities, right, including sex workers, right? And this idea that we're capturing the real predators, that's a very old story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One with, yeah, a rotating cast of characters that are always there, but just this time it's played by this person or group. What is something you think is underrated? Oh, wow. Abortion. Yeah.

I don't think we talk enough about like literally how many lives that procedure has saved, right? Both in a literal medical necessity way and also in an procedure has saved, right? Both in like a literal medical necessity way and also in an expansion of opportunity, right? Like we just failed as a country to pass, you know, maternity leave, right? Or to expand maternity leave. I feel like we really don't understand the toll of what it means to go through pregnancy, to give birth, right? To have a human being. Like I would like to live in a world where more people understand the realities of reproductive health care because it affects all of us, you know? And I think that more people should be, we should be telling our abortion stories, right? I think that

this idea that it's a women's issue or a people with uteruses issue is narrow-minded in the wake of what's happening in Texas. Like, I know lot of like technically and also shockingly casually pro-choice men that didn't grow up hearing the same stories I did about the horrific reality of what it is to live in a society where you don't have safe and legal access to abortion, right? Where the doctors in your community don't understand how the reproductive system works or like how to take care of you. And we should be living in a world where we share more of those stories. Yeah. And I think there's also, I mean, it's interesting, especially as it relates to the

parental leave thing about how like barely many like men on the Hill were actually being like, yeah, like this is good. Like it's like, no, that's that's let the let the women of Congress like try and, you know, pull this thing along when it's like, again, then they're also revealing their very myopic understanding of what it means to be a parent or give birth or those things. Like, well, yeah, when really it should be. Yes, because this helps fucking everyone, including you, the dick haver in this equation. It's a benefit. So don't just think, oh, well, it's for them. I got to go to work. No, like this is valuable fucking time that you need to, you know, become acclimated to

your new family and you're transitioning into a new phase of your life. And I think it goes back to that myth of individualism thing. Right. You know, I think that like we created or we invested a lot in this sort of false dichotomy between like the public and the private sphere, right? Like home and work. And we all we are all multidimensional members of a community. Right.

Like and caretaking and helping to make sure that the next generation is set up like, you know, there's a lot more to do in the first three months after child care. They call it the fourth trimester. You know, like that baby, it's meant to be a community project. It's even overwhelming, I think, for two people. But we have this idea, right, that like the life-death-life cycle, you know, whether you're talking about abortion

or even like a deathbed or like giving birth is this like secret and shamed element that like divorces us from what connects us to one another right and i know that like that sounds like radical and weird but it really it comes down to this idea that we think that we can we think that we can erase people right we see that with prisons we see that with the way that industry works and this idea that life and work are so separate from one another is what allows us to perpetuate these bananas policies that like people can't get paid time off after making a fucking baby right yeah well shit you want to talk about wall street straight truth right there

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And so there's this sort of like centrist Clintonian version of America, like what what is taken seriously that like starts and centers on Wall Street that I think like if you turn on CNN, MSNBC, you know, any any of the like 24 hour cable news networks like that that idea still rules there like you still have like these talking heads who are going to be steeped in that you know who think that like any serious idea has to like be feasible from a like corporate vc perspective basically and so miles you were pointing out that there's this Stephanie Ruhle. There's a Stephanie Ruhle character. There's a Stephanie Ruhle, one of MSNBC's more popular anchors, who has made some interesting statements about just kind of what's really going on with this U.S. economy we got here. Oh, let me tell you what's really happening with inflation. Let me tell you what's let me tell you a dirty little secret about America and all this stuff about we don't have enough money. So, yes, I think, again, very important thing to note about Stephanie rule is, you know, prior to transitioning to the news or, you know, Bloomberg, whatever you want to call that shit.

She spent, you know, like almost like 15 years, almost two decades, you know, working in the world of finance, you know, starting as an intern at Merrill Lynch, then doing hedge fund sales at Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank, you know, like full on just a child of Wall Street of the markets with the worldview that's like, yeah, man, you can fucking explain everything with the stock market. And she really revealed herself in that worldview over the last couple of weeks. It's funny because, you know, I think last week, Jack, I was like, yo, dude, I have to play this clip of Stephanie Ruhle where she's trying to explain like where, like why the prices are going up. And we didn't talk about it because I was just more outraged. And I was just like, you need to hear this thing now. So let's just first hear her take on, you know, why these dang prices are actually going up. We don't have enough people to fill our current jobs. And this argument, there are going to be jobs at higher wages. Higher wages are one of the contributing factors to inflation.

Hello. Hello, McFly. Thank you. That's what it is. She's replied to be a dean at uh austin university or university of austin sorry because i'm glad somebody's finally speaking freely here yeah oh 100 people know what's really going on i mean i love immediately trying to tinge people's pursuit of equitable pay as being the root cause of the consumer pain that they're seeing.

See, that's the thing you guys got it because this is how we pit people against each other again. Those prices going up. It's because those people at John Deere want a fair shake at the wages that they're being paid or not paid. It's not because of the CEOs not willing to budge on whatever fucking earnings reports they need to show stockholders and things like that that's not what it is it's these people whining about more work you're like oh cool

that one kind of flew under the radar and then she then on monday decided to really just like oh shit okay they're they're fucking with the first album all right here comes the here comes the follow-up hit called the let me tell you the dirty little secret about what's happening with America. Because if you really need to know what's going on, here's, again, I'll just play it for you. And we'll talk through what her assumptions are about Americans on the other side. And the dirty little secret here, Willie, while nobody likes to pay more, on average, we have the money to do so. Household savings hit a record high over the

pandemic we didn't really have anywhere to go out and spend and as we said a moment ago we're expecting retail sales this holiday season to break records for those who own their homes the value of our homes are up and while the stock market isn't the economy you got over half of american households with some investment in the markets and the markets have hit record highs so we need to put all of this in perspective right this time last year when you and i were talking willie nobody had a vaccine now 200 million anyway so guys i'm sure like everyone you saved so much fucking money during the pandemic that you don't know what to fucking buy right now i mean that's my main problem right now is i'm just overwhelmed with too much money and too many buying options and

that is what's hurting the economy i think you know you got stock markets every every millennial owns a home what are you whining you're the value your homes went up you fucking loser yeah she suffers from the disease of like my friends are fine so yes yeah exactly and also you know that what's that whole thing of like you can only have maybe at most one rung down the social socioeconomic ladder as a friend been like it doesn't go much further than that right yeah it's each class group is aware of the group immediately below them and immediately above them. And then everything else they even if they like hear about those people, they like can't even like think of them as actually existing. And they're all theoretical.

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's awkward to have relationships past that because all of your advice is null. Right. It's like all of the advice that rich people have is like, have you considered spending money on a solution? And it's like, that's, you know, like that's, it doesn't, you know, it's a hard way to keep friends. To pay my student loans? I'm saying I'm facing crippling debt from my student loans and I'm unable to pay for some basic necessities. Miles, your credit's really important.

It's important for you to prioritize that. Yeah. And talk to any stripper. Spend your way out of it. Wall Street guys' kink is mansplaining. So, like, none of this, none of this is a shock to me. Right. But it's like, no, no, no, this spreadsheet makes it all make sense.

Just wait for the value of your house to go up. Yeah. But then after this, you know, the outrage was, after this clip, like, even, like, MarketWatch was like, Stephanie Ruhle kind of got burned by the poors for saying this stuff out loud on TV. And she then, like, I think the next watch was like, Stephanie rule kind of got burned by the pores for saying this stuff out on TV. And she then like, I think the next day was like on a different segment sort of was able to articulate.

It's like, and I get that there's, you know, there's two Americas here. There's actually like 7,000 Americas, but there's two. There's me and my rich friends. And then like the people who like are like my babysitters who like also I've given them health insurance because I'm a good boss.

But she's going to say like, I get it. There are some people who are struggling to pay and those things. And he's like, and then she says, I'm like, but at the end of the day, I mean, the prices are the same if you got to get shoes or milk. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like there's like a other place. You can actually upscale to infinity on shoes. That's a. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Snapple fact. Snapple fact.. Well, yeah. Snapple fact. Snapple fact. Snapple fact. Snapple fact. Yeah. And it really is a nightmare of perspective. And like, I'll tell you that sex workers have been really struggling during the pandemic,

not just because of the nature of our work, but because of, you know, this is when a lot of banking ordinances happened, right? This is when Pornhub stopped taking MasterCard. This is when we had the destabilizing, like OnlyFans happened, right? This is when Pornhub stopped taking MasterCard. This is when we had the destabilizing OnlyFans conversation, right? We're living in the wake of SESTA-FOSTA, which erased the places that sex workers use to schedule and screen their clients, right? Like Backpage and Rentboy. And remember Craigslist Erotic Services? Remember how much fun Craigslist Erotic Services was? You could just pull up people's crazy date fantasies or whatever. I'm looking for some... Yeah. And that was taken away all in the name of, I don't know,

rescuing women from money and orgasms, which has been the real thing that we've been waging war on for hundreds of years. We don't fight terrorism. We don't fight violence. And we certainly don't fight poverty. But we're willing to wage a war on female orgasms and people making money. Right. The trend of closing all those things down, is that related to the pandemic? Was it somehow causally connected?

Or is it just those two things things kind of happened the impact for people living through that right like the impact of losing your ability to make money online was compounded by the pandemic right because like everyone but i don't you know i would say that like historically speaking pulling way back times of right, are not great for sex workers. Right. So, like, you increase fear. Right. You increase reaction.

You increase a kind of othering. Right. But we really didn't see that with this crisis as much as we did, like, with the AIDS crisis. Right. So I would say it's hard to say. Like, I think that we were looking at an increase of sort of like trafficking hysteria and policing prostitution before the pandemic. Right. That trend has continued into it.

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we have the Q stuff with where suddenly all these people are concerned about, you know, sex trafficking and predominantly. By Democrats. Which is bananas because it's definitely happening in their church. people are concerned about, you know, sex trafficking and predominantly Democrats, which is bananas because it's definitely happening in their church. But like, they're not willing to have that conversation. Right. You want to talk about like rampant sexual abuse, incest, you know, really like gross shit. Yeah. Close knit. Yeah. Cults are really where that's happening. yeah yeah look no further damn that's really interesting though about like that historical trend and because yeah i heard you say

that earlier and i was like wait that makes a ton of sense for right now it seems like we're having that right it's like you know we we lived through this you know the the progressive era was a period of time like i think that there's a lot to learn from looking back, right? Of like, you know, technology changes, but people really don't. So we've been having the same conversations the whole time, right? There was even a conversation in comedy, right?

In the like 1890, when they were like, blackface is racist. And like, there were all these comics that were like, this is censorship and you're taken, can't make any kinds of jokes anymore. And so, like, you know, really, it's if you look for it, you'll find it. Sure.

All right. Well, let's talk about the University of, you know, Ivy League. Academia. They were on like the board. They were basically like founding members. That's how it was presented in the press release. And they immediately upon the release of that press release resigned, stepped down from their roles. They were just basically I think they thought they were like cosigning the idea or like doing a favor to a friend and like cosigning.

They did not know that they were going to be like in the headlines cosigning this statement, which was also like very much like real universities don't want you to know the truth and like they want to right they're like well as and as my position as a dean i would say we do want them to know okay barry what exactly so these are both people who are who yeah they're not gonna co-sign a thing that's like other universities suck they like get all their money from like harvard and holy shit chicago university so but it's just funny how much i don't know they like any sort of attempt at intellectual rigor by somebody on the right is just a house of cards that immediately like collapses in on itself yeah no there's a lot going on right you know it's like on the one hand i understand the rights

contempt for like it's not accredited you didn't get the magic paper with the magic words in the right order or whatever and on the other hand it's like well yeah if it's not like do these folks not know that you can just read like you don't need to like this is join a book club that's what you're actually looking for is a book club not a non-accredited university with a bad press uh strategy don't make promises in your pitch to rich famous people that you yeah you don't live up to that's a yeah that's a great way to lose your funding right it's to be just a total comedy of errors because right now we're at the like signatories to it being like, oh, wait, what I signed? Oh, yeah. No, that's that actually is this is actually conflicts a lot with what my.

No, sorry. It's actually something I wouldn't actually say out loud that I believe. So no. Wait till they get to the accreditation phase. Like what? Like, I mean, that's I mean, that feels like the big question mark. Like, yeah, we'll get to that. That's a big if, right?

I think if they get to the accreditation phase, that's a win, right? Like, I don't think we're confident that this is going to open. Sure. Well, then it's like, okay, so are you ready for the Title IX discussions based on all this? Because that's part of becoming accredited. And since you're so anti-woke i'm sure please tell us what you think about sex discrimination please is liberty university accredited because i do feel like they can that's a win that they could get if they were like actually serious about it like there are plenty of just completely fucked

universities right i i think there are plenty of just completely fucked universities, right? I mean, like there are a lot of them that are accredited. I remember like Bob Jones university was not accredited and still managed to place people in like law school, medical school. And yeah, right.

It is regionally accredited. Hell yeah, dog. There you go. Don't need to be nationally accredited when the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools has your back. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, dog. There you go. Don't need to be nationally accredited when the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools has your back. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, it does feel like

it is more of a press release with an Airbnb than an actual university. And yeah, just an attempt to trigger the libs. I think you're right. And triggered we were, right? It's like, i feel like i hated every conversation that happened around this they're like their school is wrong it's like let them open their book club in austin who cares right it's fine it's not like gonna suddenly

replace like actual institutions where people like no mom i forget berkeley i'm going to austin now uh sure i mean i'm sure there's there's people who would who would be about that. And yeah, like revamping the way we do education is not a bad idea. Right. I mean, they also bring up, you know, like they could have a more lit promotional video than just like flashing all these names in black and white. Like, yeah, show the parties of how fucking sick it would be to go to the university, Austin University or whatever. It's like, dude,

we have pimps and hose parties and we don't care because we don't think that's problematic. Okay. Number one thing. Yeah. Great. Yeah. We throw the racist kind of Halloween parties. Thank God.

Dude, we do gangster gangster night and it's all good. You know what I mean? Bring your forties and we get it. We're celebrating all the dimensions. Yeah, exactly. And like, and we have a Black, we have Black faculty. So it's all good, baby.

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Uh, yesterday, Chris was talking about it. A few weeks ago, someone was talking about you or the show on Netflix. And there's just, there are these moments you get sometimes where it gets these genuine comedic moments that are born out of like just unintentional like conversations misunderstandings and somehow laura ingram man pick up your abbott and costello award because she had another talking head this guy raymond arroyo on to just fucking cry about like woke storylines on tv shows and again how like woke ideology is like everywhere you turn. It's like saying racism's bad. So this is now their their segment where they go, oh, man, this this is

complain about something. And I'm just going to play this in its entirety, because, again, I want to let you know that Raymond Arroyo is trying to bring up a storyline on the Netflix series You. To dote to the politics and all those woke storylines in so many shows today. I was watching an episode of You where measles came up. Wait, wait, wait, when did I mention measles? I don't know, it was on You. What was on me? What are you talking about? Is Raymond even hearing what I'm saying? I never had the measles.

The vaccine episode was on you. We never did a measles and vaccine episode. Is this a joke? I know. It was on you. It was on you. I've never had. Raymond, I've never had measles.

What are you talking about? This is who's on first on Fox. It was an episode of a show, Laura. What's it called? You. Again, it's ham-fisted. No, they wrote that. That was intentional.

Oh, no, Jack, don't take this from me. I think so, right? Guys, we're just falling for bait here. This is... Yeah, no. Because you could tell the delivery of... Well, of you. Right.

Not just being like, there's a Netflix show called You, Laura. Like, what? It was so... Yeah, sometimes people forget that their brains work on tv you know i get it but like yeah that's maybe maybe that's just how how they are but that was upsetting that was yeah no it was frustrating to watch me i don't have i didn't have the measles that's not i i'm just i'm impressed with laura ingram's confidence right like you know i have way fewer episodes of my show and i'm not confident we haven't covered measles you know what

i mean like she was really ready to double down that never in the history of the laura ingram show has measles ever come up ever because we don't believe in measles on the lord of course it's a yeah it's a left-wing conspiracy to get us to, you know. To make our children less smart. But yeah, all that to say, I don't know if the people from Greg Gutfeld wrote that, but they had me. I wanted so badly for that to be real. But, you know, I guess that's it's the holiday season. So it's all about wishes at the moment for me. It's just another piece of evidence that Fox News is getting into comedy and liberals are worried, which is a headline I think I've been reading for the last 20 years. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, maybe, you know, they can take Chappelle now.

Yeah, that's true. We might be. That'd be interesting. Could you imagine if he goes there? He's like, I'm going to use this Chappelle show, but for the right wing. I mean, yeah, I i mean we're going to pretend that you know comedy clubs haven't been owned by conservatives for the last like since the before the beginning yeah like their club houses but i guess that's the thing is like

the when are they they'll never be able to break through in that point where they're like god the libs always get the good tv shows like where's our jank ass i guess it'll happen for one season then people are like oh fuck this i mean you're raising your eyebrows like you really want to say something what do you got you know i just i i want to say that like on a political level it's really hard to combat a simple story with a more complex one but art being able to tell complex stories wins so like right i think our art is better because our capacity to hold multiple truths is bigger than the sort of like black and white thinking of like victim villain narratives that like drives so much of oh right because the stuff like there are only two genders right you broke the law that's we can put

you in a cage now. That's the rule. Like that's right. See, isn't that funny? All right. Well, but I could see us headed back towards there. There are these signs that we're headed back towards like the 80s again, where the 80s weren't like totally taken over by conservatives, but conservatives. The satanic panic.

The satanic. We've got the satanic panic. The satanic, we've got the satanic panic. We've got inflation being like a huge, like scare tactic that's coming up in the media and being blamed on the left and just like generally like them. And I could see a world where, you know, Alex P. Keaton makes another like appearance where we start having like

conservative like icons and movies that are like rambo 2 where he just goes back and like wins the vietnam war like single-handedly like it's tacitly conservative but not like overtly yeah no i think you're right i'm uh this is actually a conversation that I have with my husband of like, I fear that, you know, if we have children, they will be, they will not enjoy the same freedoms that we had. Yeah. In terms of like how to live, how to live their life. Right. I see like the, the bloods in the water in terms of like conflating, right.

Queer culture, sex workers, right, with violent, exploitative perverts, right? Like we're not going to stop the priests. We're not going to stop the football coaches, right? We're not going to stop the abusive dads. But we can shut down bathhouses, right? We can shut down porn sets, right? We can shut down, you know, illicit sex that's happening.

And so like that conflation is old and we know where it leads. And yet here we are. Yeah. I mean, that kind of ties into the next story about the New York City subways. But this is something I think we're seeing happen on social media, too, where anything that has to do with women's pleasure is being policed. In this case, it is the products from Dame, which is a sex toy. They did what every company does. You buy ads, you put it on the subway, and you say, yeah, maybe this will drive traffic to our business.

And when you look around, you're like, yeah, it doesn't seem like there's any issue here. But it turns out the Metropolitan Transit Authority may have violated their sacred oath to keep the subway system just completely free from offensive imagery and a bastion for, like you were saying, just puritanical values and purity and innocence because they almost let this company, Dame, run their their ads and so when they looked at it they said hmm like you're offering some toys even though they look nothing like human like what are we talking about like is there is there pink skin like or is labia featured in these ads or is this like a photo of a toy that you could deduce would create well because everything

is like it has to be like nine steps even harder for like, because if it's dick pills, it'll be like, hey man, you want your cock to blow through this subway door? You know, and it's like. We built a national monument. Let's not pretend. Yeah. Right.

Exactly. No nuance really there or like even for stuff like, you know, they were pointing at things like you, you're running ads for enhancement pills for uh ed for breast augmentation for the museum of sex like right like viagra is covered by insurance but you know abortions aren't right and then that we're showing like vague images like because also like their toys don't look like you know they're not so phallic that someone's going to be like oh my god really right they're just like oh this is all very minimal i mean i've been to the i've been to the avns and i you know i've definitely seen some toys where i'm like you know you shouldn't

that's a that's for private you know right so i i totally get that but i think that you're right right we have a visceral repulsion right and i think that we're equating sexual imagery with violence and it's it's bananas right and so like we are pretending that we are cracking down on people hurting people, right? But we are trying to erase erotic expression from the public sphere, right? And we've done this before, right? The reason... I hate to go back in history, but it's literally all I do. So Anthony Comstock in the 1860s and 70s equated information about women's bodies with pornography and use that to single handedly delay the birth control movement in this country for decades, right? By saying this is porn, right? He tried to criminalize dancing in bars and was

largely successful. So like we, we have done this before and pretending that toys or sassy stories or erotic energy is destructive. I think it's like one of those big foundational lies. We just have to get over to move forward. Yeah. And this is the thing, like sort of in their lawsuit, they're like, this is absurd that you're going to say that it's violating like these, like you don't do anything sexually oriented businesses. It's like, but, and then in their lawsuit, they pointed out that this is like, it's unconstitutional. They're infringing on their, like their freedom of speech rights. And also saying that, like, if you're talking about suggestive and explicit ads, like I said, they're like, just look around at what you

have cooking in the subway already. There are ads like beer are you guys nuts this is yeah right and so all that came to just sort of ahead and they said and as the ceo of dame said that the mta was quote disproportionately applying their anti-sexually oriented business clause to women's pleasure advertisements correct the mta ended up settling and now with some revamped ads that are very just like innocuous, they're just those will be right now running in the subway from November to January. But even then, like, you know, it's it's these ads are very tame considering what you would see in modern advertising in general. But, yeah, all that to say is it took them to be sued for them to finally be like, all right, we'll settle, which doesn't feel like a real win. It doesn't feel like a real win at all. They settled. And that's now I think I even have the CEO saying, like, ideally, we would have actually just won this case outright.

But we'll take it. No, I mean, it is frustrating that this is a fight we keep having to push. Right. fight we keep having to push, right? And when I say it's all connected, you can draw a direct parallel between that kind of the censorious application of the law in New York to the federal government leaving out businesses that promoted salacious material, right? So like strip clubs, porn producers, not to mention, of course, criminalized sex workers who couldn't get any benefits during COVID, right? Who were ineligible for, you know, the public safety net that we created in the wake of this crisis. And what just happened in Texas, right? So like, yes, the six-week abortion law, right, or the abortion ban is a part of that. But something that was not overturned

was they criminalized hiring anyone under the age of 21 to work at any sexually oriented business, right? So that's every 18, 19 and 20 year old stripper, but it's also every 18, 19 or 20 year old working behind the counter at a sex store right so they they fired right they terminated the positions of all of these young people overnight in the name of protecting them from themselves and their proximity to sexuality right jesus it seems like there's something also happening on social media like this year in particular there's like a bunch of people in sex working like industries of various sorts who are having to like delete their accounts or having their accounts deleted by twitter like just starting in uh yeah shadow banning is a 2021 shadow banning

is a real thing there's a lot of incentive now for different platforms to reduce or suppress all erotic content, right? So because we've equated adult consensual prostitution with the horrific crime of trafficking, because we've equated pornography with rape and violence, it's easier for these companies to just ban hashtag women, as Instagram did in the immediate aftermath of SESTA-FOSTA rather than run the risk, right, of accidentally having, you know, erotic content that gets flagged, which is crazy to me, right? That like, we're cracking down on Pornhub, we're cracking down on OnlyFans, we're cracking down on places that have safety mechanisms that have been created over decades, right, of sex workers advocating for themselves. And, you know, but in the meantime,

the biggest purveyor of fucking child, sexual, exploitative material is Facebook, right? That's happening in private messages. So we're pretending to care about one problem, like a real problem. But all of the tools that we use, they're just going to bite us in the ass. Right. Well, Caitlin, it has been just going to bite us in the ass.

Right. Well, Caitlin, it has been such a pleasure having you on the show. We need to have you back. Absolutely. Thank you so much. This has been great. Where can people find you and follow you? Well, you should definitely join our mailing list, right? We send a roundup of sex worker rights related news from around the country. We're doing where we can do appearances, where you can catch an old pro show. Just go to oldprosonline.org. And you can find me across social media at Caitlin Bailey. And you can find my organization, Old Pros, at Old Pros Online. Nice. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? I saw a tweet that made me laugh really hard the other day, which is that succession is unrealistic because billionaires can't be funny.

Yeah, so true. Miles, where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray and also the other show for 20 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra, who actually connected us with Caitlin. So thank you, Sophia, for that. Yeah, check us out. Check us out there. Check that out there. Boom.

Now. Now, is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yes, there's a couple of tweets that I'm enjoying. Oh, man, I forgot to like one of them. But here's one that I like. First one is from John Gans at Lionel underscore trolling. I said they fucked up the PR for that fake university. You got to go low key.

Just start it. Don't make a big deal out of it. No big manifesto. Then you get a New York Times story in a year that's like at fake university. Students learn the old way. That's very right. And then this one is from at Chunk Barty. feels very right and then this one is from at chunk bardy charlie tweeted please stop posting about your accomplishments unless i have the same ones otherwise it can make me feel bad

i seriously shouldn't even have to say that very real very real some tweets i've been enjoying amy at lol and ui and ue tweeted my dream career is Bodega Cat. Cass City at Heavenly Grandpa tweeted, what fictional character are you most jealous of? For me, it's Old Yeller. And Charlie at Chunk Barty tweeted, my boyfriend is in law school and he's taking contract law. So I have him look over contracts for me, but he hasn't gotten to the part where he learns if a contract is good or not, just whether something is a contract. So just be like yeah no that's a that's a contract there it is there it is you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily

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kinds of music and this like rap group i was like this is kind of dope so this is a track called approach with caution it's quakers with sample the great you know on the mic as well so it's just it's just a great sample based hip-hop track and just to know that like you know some really dope people from the uk are into it like people who are in border said should make it an even easier proposition uh so yeah this is quakers with approach with caution all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever fine podcasts are given away for free. That's going to do it for us this morning.

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And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert, Maury Tahiripour.

If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and

Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.