The Daily Zeitgeist - Shame-rock Shake, Kremlin <3 Tucker 3.15.22

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

In episode 1204, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and writer Dana Gould to discuss Tucker is the Kremlin&rsquo;s new darling&hellip;, Speaking of biolabs&hellip;, Dolly Parton Bows Out of Rock an...d Roll Hall of Fame Nominations (Which Are Dumb Anyway), The Weirdly Controversial History of the Shamrock Shake and more! Tucker is the Kremlin&rsquo;s new darling&hellip; Tucker Sounds Pretty Mad At The Fact-Checking Fox Reporter Who&rsquo;s Been Debunking Russian Disinfo QAnon Thinks Trump Says &lsquo;Chy-na&rsquo; to Send a Secret Message About Ukraine Dolly Parton Bows Out of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominations (Which Are Dumb Anyway) THE CONTROVERSIAL HISTORY OF THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME A look at the cryptic Rock &amp; Roll Hall of Fame voting process Here's Everything You Want To Know About The Shamrock Shake. And Some Things You Don't. The Shamrock Shake's (artificially) colorful history McDonald's criticized for Shamrock Shake ad featuring Scotsman, Stonehenge &nbsp; WATCH: Hanging with Doctor Z LISTEN: Nevada by River TiberSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:09 This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and where once a week I forget to open my closet doors, and it gets real echoey in here. So you're hearing that echoey open right now. Apologies for that. It's Tuesday, March 15th 15th 2022 are we doing this anymore is it yeah it's a weird day today every everything you think is wrong day what i don't know that sounds like a day thought up by a dumb person who thinks they are a smart person i mean it maybe also feels like it's meant to counter the other two worthwhile holidays,
Starting point is 00:02:47 which is World Social Work Day and National Equal Pay Day. Right. But then you have Everything You Think Is Wrong Day. So they're just saying protest everything you think is wrong. I don't know. I don't know. It says the way this holiday works is a day where decision-making should be avoided, as your thoughts are, according to the founder of this holiday, wrong.
Starting point is 00:03:10 It's also a day created for some people to realize that they are not always right. I'm not sure that that point is going to be. I think that point is going to get lost on most people. I have no idea what that might be like, to not always be right. How can you refrain from making a decision every day? Just sit back. Just back in the cut. Just like literally suspended animation.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Don't drink or eat or anything because that would involve decision making. I like to live my life like a precog. Just a milky white substance where people, if they need me, they'll come to me. Right. Exactly. Tell me me ask me what's happening what crimes will be committed in the future well maybe it is a good day to not make a lot of decisions we are coming off of daylight savings time i am you know i'm not i'm not in
Starting point is 00:03:58 great shape from it my kids i had to like drag my kids out of bed. It was like learning what it's like to have teenagers. Oh. Yeah. Are they like, I feel like my friends are like young kids. I was like, dude, they're affected by the sun, man. Because fall back fucks them up. Because like it's going to be fucking brighter earlier than these fucks are going to wake up. Like little fucking sundials, you know?
Starting point is 00:04:19 Right. But yeah, they are definitely not on any sort of official standard, Tyna. They're on whatever time they damn well please, and it's killing me. But it's better than when you fall back and they're up at like 5.30 in the morning. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Chucked my white Russian freedom and burned some Karl Marx. Damn it. Protestation. Damn it.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Succeeding. Don't give me vodka. I'm drunk on my freedom. Damn it. That is a courtesy of Trait Gang. Hold on. Hold on. Karl Marx is German.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Yeah. Yeah. Is that just meant to be like the American Like perceptions Like Karl Marx, communism, Russian Throw it away I like that, maybe some nuance in the lyrics And in fact Courtesy of just TDZAK's They asterisked that
Starting point is 00:05:16 And said I know Which I was like, it didn't even occur to me I was like yeah, now that's That's communist, that's Russia That's Russia. That's Russia, man. That was Russia, dog. Hell yeah. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!
Starting point is 00:05:33 All around the world, people hawk NFTs. Who knows how long they've scammed you? Everywhere I go, board apes are looking at me 37 years old my money i don't want stole i host daily's i don't put your money in nfts don't put your money in nfts okay shout out to johnny davis for that sugar rave nft collab uh knock chorus, whatever you want to call it. But yeah, Johnny Davis, I see you. Thank you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Well, generally, we think it's good for the energy of the show to make fools of ourselves up top by singing parody songs. It's especially embarrassing when we're joined by a true genius like we are today in our third seat, one of the greatest stand-up comics and comedy writers to ever do it uh he wrote for the simpsons during some of the best seasons of that show you can hear him on his very funny podcast the dana gould hour see him live all over the world please welcome the hilarious and talented dana gould thank you very much this i always like to get my daylight savings off of I always like to get my daylight savings off of guesting on a podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:45 That's how we do it. Right. Yeah. I feel you about getting – it does throw your kids off. I have three teenagers. Yeah. So I'm always seconds away from murder. It rotates. But one of them is always on death's door.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Yeah. Oh, my God. Is it like one of those things too where you said like because they're teen because like you know as a teenager i basically was like a mummy in a tomb like sleeping for most of my days so does the does this like exacerbate that trend yeah yeah one of them is still asleep because they didn't have school today for a school bureaucratic thing but uh yeah and i i always have to like go back to like remember how i was as a teenager because there is i in my life i meet people that i knew before i was 30 and i just issue a blanket apology. I'm sorry. If you knew me before I was 30, I was wrong and you were right and I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:07:52 About everything. Yeah. It's just an Etch-A-Sketch at 30. Let's just restart this thing right now. That's good policy, man. I know you can kind of tell some of the past illustrations are on the Etch-a-Sketch.
Starting point is 00:08:05 It's not perfect, but it's mostly cleared. And now there's a smiling face. It's just a ghost of old behaviors. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, mine are four and five. And so usually my problem is that they spring out of bed and start jumping on me way too early. But now I got a preview of literally dragging their body to the car. I get both because we have three dogs and four cats and three kids.
Starting point is 00:08:38 And so I get the cats wake me up. Literally, the cats literally get on my body. Oh, right. And how much evolution until you can open a can? You know? Right. You're just a failure. You're a biological failure.
Starting point is 00:08:59 And then, yeah, so it's just every day is hell. Bliss. Sounds like bliss. Yeah, exactly. That's cool, man. How's, I see that you're out on the road occasionally. What's, what's stand up like these days? I've been on the road.
Starting point is 00:09:18 I've been, right now, I've been home because I'm writing a film and I'm working on a TV series that I don't know if I can announce it yet. It's just I'm just a writer on it. I don't know what the deal is with it, but it's being made. And then I'm plugging my little show on YouTube, Hanging with Dr. Z. So the shows I'm doing are I'm doing in town. I perform at the Improv a lot and at a thing called Supernova, which I really like. And then probably later in the summer
Starting point is 00:09:50 when things lighten up, I'll go back on the road. Sometimes I go out by myself and sometimes I go out with Bobcat Goldthwait. And we do, we like to think of ourselves as comedy's version of Seals and Croft, you know, just out there.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Nice, man. Hilarious. comedy's version of seals and croft you know just out there nice man hilarious hilarious as a summer breeze right how how are how are the rooms like is it is it have you noticed a post-pandemic difference is everything uh i think people are really i think people are really happy to be out that's that's I find more. There's two things that I've noticed since the pandemic. One, people are very happy to be out. Two, a lot of people that are comedy fans, during the pandemic, they lived on Twitter. And then you go into a club and you quickly realize that Twitter is not the world and that you actually can say something without enraging a certain segment of the population and that people are actually, they're a lot looser than you think. Twitter is literally like knock, knock.
Starting point is 00:10:57 What about the homeless? You prick! And the world is not like that, which is just refreshing. Right. And I'm really not bemoaning heightened sensitivities. No, no. I accept that. I understand it. It's called human evolution. It's society progressing. I do understand that and I welcome it. And as a writer, I welcome the challenge.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And as a middle-aged white guy, I also know that no one cares what I think. And that's fine. 2,000 years was a great run. I get it. I got the last 50 or so. Yeah, no problem. But in terms of the Rogan aspect of it, did you think they were going to go. But in terms of like the Rogan aspect of it, yeah. Did you think they were going to go quietly after 2,000 years?
Starting point is 00:11:50 You think they're going to shrug? But it is nice that people's sphincters are a little loose that you can actually talk about. You can laugh about things. Right. Sure. It's just nice. Yeah, but I'm really not pissing and moaning. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:03 And also that knock-knock joke kills, though, too. It does. All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. There was an internal Kremlin memo that was leaked that basically encourages media outlets, Russian state media outlets, to play more Carlson.
Starting point is 00:12:25 Give us Tucker. Give us Tucker, more Tucker, nothing but the Tucker. Oh, because he gets it. He gets it, man. This guy gets it. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about a new QAnon conspiracy. We're going to talk about Dolly Parton bowing out
Starting point is 00:12:39 of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nomination. We are going to talk about the Shamrock Shake. I think we've all been counting the days until this bad boy was available once again. Anyways, we'll talk about that plenty more. First, Dana, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Yeah, I was, okay. So my youngest daughter's 12. She'll be 13 in a couple of weeks. So I lump her in with teenagers. And we went to see The Batman with Robert Pattinson, which she wanted to go see because she's a fan of Twilight. Okay. to, you know, because of Raya, she likes two things. She likes the Marvel universe, Marvel
Starting point is 00:13:25 Cinematic Universe, and Twilight. So I thought, well, this is a combination. And she had a fine time in the Batman people. If it was too dark, it was fine. We enjoyed it. But then she was watching No Way Home or the first Tom Holland Spider-Man movie, which
Starting point is 00:13:41 has Michael Keaton as the villain. He plays the Hawkman, whatever it was. So, Kill Rayman. Birdman, I believe. Yeah, or Raven the Hunter? I don't know who it was. I think they should have just done straight crossover from the Birdman movie.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Yeah, he should have played the same character. But that was by Google search, Michael Keaton as Batman, because I was like, Honey, he was the first batman you think that he's done other stuff he's the first and it's like yep okay i found out that he's he's playing batman again which i didn't know he is batman in the flash universe wow nice to know just an aged batman yeah but it's also interesting in that uh how little she cared right right like yeah man great yeah okay good but i was very
Starting point is 00:14:36 excited when you said like how sort of disinterested your daughter was when you pointed that out i fully flashed back to this time my dad tried to get me to watch the Andromeda strain as a kid. And I was like, It's by the same guy who wrote Jurassic Park. He's like, oh, you like Jurassic Park? He's like, oh, you like space shit? I'm like, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:14:57 Check out the Andromeda strain. And I was like, yo, this shit is dry as fuck. I can't watch any of this. Jurassic Park is minor crap. And he was so fucked up. is dry as fuck like i can't watch any of this park is minor crazy was and he was so fucked i remember him being like you don't you don't think this is cool and i'm like not at all not at all it isn't it's funny because robert wise is a brilliant director right he did make two of the most boring science fiction movies ever committed to film the andromeda strain and star trek the motion picture which are both like watching paint dry um right yeah yeah my dad used to want me to go hunting
Starting point is 00:15:32 i like i just don't have that in me right yeah i don't think this is that cool yeah but it is so my uh my oldest kid goes to berkeley when she's started this year, and we were going up there, and I was like, you're going to have the greatest time. I used to live up there. I used to live in San Francisco. I'll show you my old apartment. And she looked at me, and she went, yes, I'm really interested in your past. They don't care. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:16:04 She's like, oh, man man amoeba on telegram you ever check that out when i was around yeah yeah if your kids think you're cool you've made a mistake yeah yeah i'm trying to think like who is the coolest person who has kids that like that would be a struggle where the kid has to be like like pharrell but he's so cool yeah like there's pharrell's kids like nah fuck you dad yeah just just on principle man sorry can't do it's 13 so i'm curious and i see him he's starting to come out with his dad more like at events and you're like oh look at this little cool motherfucker over here and i'm curious if he is like laughing or it's like it's like forcing
Starting point is 00:16:46 pharrell into weird decisions because this kid who he thinks is cool is like this ain't cool dad he's like okay what about a like a fucking pink pith helmet i could wear that out like sure yeah i mean it doesn't like people that are and they people that are so risk beyond reproach like i'm sure snoop dog has kids but does this kid like you know play the banjo or something i don't think that kind of right right i mean the the big places coming up is lebron's kid is like you know lebron has sent the message he wants to play with his son in the nba like does lebron's kid want to play with his dad? Is that what he wants to do? Or is he going to show him up like Ken Griffey
Starting point is 00:17:28 Jr. did to his dad early on, stealing fly balls away from him? Right. It's grim. It's grim. The name Frank Sinatra Jr.
Starting point is 00:17:44 is child abuse.. is child abuse. It's child abuse. Just name him less than. That's his name. It's so awful. It's so awful. What is something you think is overrated? Well, we were just talking.
Starting point is 00:18:05 I think Twitter is super overrated. And I only say that because I know people that live on it. Yeah. You know, and they just every day is, oh, my God. And there's different Twitter worlds. There's, you know, film Twitter and stand- up Twitter and rage Twitter and whatever. And, uh, and, and most, and I'm on Twitter, you know, I'm on Twitter. I, you know, I, but, but I know that it's just, it's an app in the way that, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:39 Twitter as is Twitter isn't human interaction in the way that Tinder is human relationships. It's just a tiny aspect. Most people don't know what it is. Not only do they not have it, they know it's a thing, but they don't even know what it is. So it's great to get your news or whatever but it's it's nothing to get uh too uh wrapped up in it's nowhere to it's nowhere to no place to live your life no not especially not to the point if it like you know causes people stress and like they start like
Starting point is 00:19:18 you know losing their inner peace because of a fucking bird logo on their phone like you got to disengage a little bit because like you're just you're just putting all of your focus into your phone and you're it does begin to blur the lines you're like this is like well this is my life this is what i'm this is what's happening but then you go outside and you like talk to like anybody at a supermarket and you're like yeah yeah everybody's no not everybody hates each other yeah just on site well you would never go to say yankee stadium uh sold out game and just walk up and down every aisle what do you think what do you think what do you do you like this shirt you know it's like no you're gonna get contrary opinions that's human nature you know it's like you know you can just post i like french toast
Starting point is 00:20:06 and just come back 20 minutes later fuck french toast yes your highness the breakfast of the american oligarch you know you know and then three months later, your uncle's on Facebook. Another patriot for Freedom Toast. Hashtag misspelled. Twitter's fine, but you have to really check yourself. When push comes to, I don't really care what that many other people think. And I'd say you're always going to get contrary opinions to anything just because it's just human nature. What's something you think is underrated? Here's what I think is underrated.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Because I spend a lot of time driving around my daughter, who's 12, I know a lot more about a generation of music that I have no business knowing about. Yeah. And there's a song by ash a s a s h e
Starting point is 00:21:09 called the moral of the story that's as good as any song i've heard it's wow it's great and it's much the her lyrics are much better than olivia rodo, who writes really good lyrics for that kind of music. We all love Tay-Tay. We all love Taylor. But I personally want Taylor Swift to take acid or LSD and just break out of writing about boys. And the way the Beatles did that, every song was about a girl and then they took acid and started writing about walruses I think that's healthy
Starting point is 00:21:49 I'd like to see Taylor take some heavy psychedelics I think that'd be good for her but no, this song it's called The Moral of the Story and the lyrics are great and I'm like, why isn't this it's a great song it's just occasionally the lyrics are great and i'm like why isn't this uh this should it's a great song
Starting point is 00:22:06 it's just it's occasionally you just hear a new a performer and uh one of the lyrics that i really love is uh some uh you think you are in love but you're really just in pain it says it's really like they really know what they're yeah she really knows what she's doing it's great it's a great song all right it's a great song i was moving out of my music comfort zone of stuff I listened to in college. Right, right, right. Which is now only available on specific stations. You know, Ash's politics are very problematic, right? I'm sure she is. I'm sure she is.
Starting point is 00:22:42 I just wanted to make sure. She's a member of the Wisconsin militia, I'm sure she is. I'm sure she is. I just wanted to make sure. She's a member of the Wisconsin militia, I'm sure. I'm just reading her bio. It says she grew up listening only to Christian radio, and she thanks her grandfather for introducing her to music from Bob Dylan, The Beatles, and Jefferson Airplane. Cool grandpa, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Hey, stop listening to Christian crap and listen to this i like songs that aren't about traditional girl boy emotions like i like songs that aren't about just like my i love you or i hate you i that that are about other my favorite beatles song to because you mentioned the beatles my favorite beatles song is Paperback Writer, because it's about a guy that wants to write crappy novels for a living. What a great idea for a song. Is that the same album as Taxman? Well, it was a single from that period, yeah, Revolver.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Yeah, it was a great song. I like the Pixie song, Temple of the Brine, which is about Salterre, which is a decaying pavilion in Utah. I like songs that are just about weird stuff that aren't necessarily about I like you, I hate you. Yeah. The song VBS by Lucy Dacus, or Dacus, I don't know how you pronounce that, but your description of this song reminds me of that. That would be worth checking out.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Yeah, but it's also interesting, too, because you're saying, but isn't this about a relationship? So doesn't it kind of fall into the traditional sort of subject matter? It does, but what I like about it is it's not to the person it's a they're stepping back and she she said uh the second quad the second quatrain of the song is talking with my lawyer she said where'd you find this guy i said young people fall in love with
Starting point is 00:24:43 the wrong people sometimes. Where'd you come up with lawyer? What a great twist. Who is this person? Talk to my accountant next. They said I need to move my funds and be liquid. Some mistakes get made. That's all right. That's okay. It's just really
Starting point is 00:25:01 you think you are in love When you're really just in pain That's a great line So the song came at the right time for you No I didn't That's the other thing I'm long out of that
Starting point is 00:25:15 You just enjoy it from afar Sometimes you're in the parade Sometimes you watch the parade Much better to watch the parade And be like yeah i used to be in that parade yeah i used to be in that parade i used to i know what that shit's like oh i was saying the other day you know what i wish if i had a wish i wish i could have back all of the time i spent wondering what people who weren't thinking about me were thinking about me yeah oh no
Starting point is 00:25:49 even to see a calculation of that if there are somehow some technology i'm like you really want to see it on paper what you did yeah three years so far you're like three years oh yeah years years yeah years and they're not, you're not anywhere on their desktop. Yeah, it's awful. They didn't think about me once? No, not once. Yeah, it's got to be like 1 to 100, right? The amount of time we think people are thinking about us versus the actual amount of time, it's got to be 1 to 100.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Yes. I think that's a pretty pretty unless this one time i'm right because i'm pretty sure that this after you know that mistake i made in front of them they gotta be thinking about me now there's no way this is when they just puzzling over it making diagrams of what you should have said yeah right just like yeah like oh man years i could have saved years if you could just like unplug and like an old, you know, those old phone switch boards you'd see in movies. Yeah. I'm still at crest view five, three,
Starting point is 00:26:52 one, six, seven. Yeah. Yeah. No, it would be, I would have saved so much time years,
Starting point is 00:26:58 years of my life. Yeah. Well, that fixed the internet. If you had to like write to like a call center and tell them what you wanted to post and where you wanted to post it and what website you wanted to go to? That would help a lot. Yeah. Create a ton of jobs.
Starting point is 00:27:12 And then the operator, the Twitter operator would be like, are you sure you want to at them with this? Well, why not? That just seems aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Never mind. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I'm going to go. Thanks. You know, it's so funny when you say fix the Internet because it is such it is such a funny thing. Like, what is the we have all of what you know, we have all this amazing technology and things always go south. Like what? What's the constant us? Right. We're horrible. Yeah, we need something to protect us from ourselves. We have something that could teach everybody how to find sustainable water, but instead we got cake farts.
Starting point is 00:27:48 No, look at this. It's insane. People fart on cakes. You've got to see it. I mean, that truly can't be beat, though. Cake farts is pretty great. You know, the term, the anti-cake fart movement has really pulled up. No, but it's like's like yeah no we we suck
Starting point is 00:28:06 that's the problem right we have not we've not mastered our uh our lack of self-awareness or knowing it's just a chimpanzee with a flamethrower what could go wrong i don't know give it a sicker flamethrower? Yeah, exactly. You can always count on humans. That's the best thing about human behavior. There's no bottom. Yeah, right. Just when we think we've hit it.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yep, there's no bottom. Straight to the floor. There's no bottom. All right, let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and talk about an illustration of that. Tucker Carlson. member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted,
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Starting point is 00:33:32 as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States and NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, and the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin personally. And it's a 12-page document going on about how we need more Tucker. And it goes on to say that his position is, quote, Russia is only protecting its interests and security, that that is the talking point that Tucker Carlson communicates to millions of viewers every day. And like clockwork, like observers of like Russian state media were like, oh, yeah, just so you know, this little clip played the other day on TV.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And yes, so, I mean, I don't speak Russian, but you will hear Tucker Carlson very briefly before his whole segment is translated. So they're they're going pretty hard with the Tucker Carlson clips again, because it makes it seem like there is someone in the United States that's also been like, yeah, we're like, we totally get it. But while also you have someone spreading all this misinformation to their viewers and like, you know, he's been saying a lot of stuff that aligns with many of like Kremlin talking points as it relates to this invasion. And he's been openly hostile to like the other journalists at Fox that dare to debunk anything. Last week, we were talking about Jennifer Griffin, who was making waves by just eloquently just destroying any misinformation that any guest was saying on Fox. And this led Carlson to imply that she is somehow a Pentagon plant. And I just want to play this clip, too, because it's really interesting the way that he's trying to, I guess, shape the perception of this journalist.
Starting point is 00:35:22 So let's just take a quick listen at his attack on her. Well, in our case, we always start with retired Colonel Doug McGregor. Unlike so many of the TV generals you see all day long, McGregor is not angling for a board seat at Raytheon. OK, that's a very progressive perspective on like how this person's talking points are. And again, this guy McGregor was on a while back, just saying all kinds of nonsense that Jennifer Griffin had to come immediately come on and debunk. So that's why Tucker is sort of taking his side and be like, and we're going to start with the guy who spews disinformation. Unlike so many of the so-called reporters you see on television,
Starting point is 00:36:01 he is not acting secretly as a flack for lloyd austin at the pentagon no doug mcgregor is an honest man so it's just a very it's a very strange like like he's a pentagon plant i don't like that sounds like something you hear like leftists say well that's the fascinating thing and it's it's the somebody described it as the horseshoe, where it goes two ways. I'm old enough to remember the 1950s. Well, I don't remember the 50s, but from the 50s up through the 90s, the Republican Party was based on fierce, staunch, aggressive anti-communism, and specifically anti-Soviet communism. And their constant attack on Democrats was that they were soft on communism, they were soft on Russia. And now that has been subverted where people on the far right are enamored of this,
Starting point is 00:37:03 although it's not the Soviet Union anymore, but they're enamored of this, you know, police state, what Reagan called the evil empire. Like they're anti-United States and pro-Russia. I mean, to say that they're a Pentagon plant, I mean, it's just an anti-American. But what it goes to is the primary ethos at Fox, and this really stems from Murdoch's son who now runs it. I can't think of his name. I think Lachlan. Lachlan, yeah. It's just anti-X.
Starting point is 00:37:45 It's anti-X because they appeal to people's sense of outrage and victimization. And so whatever the mainstream media is for, they're against, which positions them. And we're right, they're wrong. We're the victims, they're the aggressors. In this case, he is perfectly positioned to be anti-everything America stands for. Right. But then like pointing out like there's aagon to military industrial complex revolving door folks like i didn't think i would wait you just found out about this hold on you're saying this on and that's where they pick up the people that are so far on the left they've come around to the right
Starting point is 00:38:14 right yeah which you know uh because they're just it's it's really it's just like it's it's hard to grow up being a and dad are complicated. Sometimes you make right decisions too. Right. Yeah. They can't always be wrong. That's mathematically impossible. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:34 That was something that it took me a long time to learn. It's not that my dad is the only person who's wrong about everything and everybody else is like, come on, man. Yeah. And I have people that I know that are just like, now Ukraine's full of Nazis. They loved Nazis when they attacked the Capitol on January 6th. Those Nazis were great, but now we don't like Nazis.
Starting point is 00:38:58 They're different from those Nazis. It's whatever is against mom and dad. There are definitely a lot of people who agree that the U.S. should not have offered Ukraine to join NATO back eight years ago or something. And the people saying that kind of kicked off the conflict. But anything where an entire segment of your show is being played on Russian state television suggests that you're probably not giving as nuance to take as like you might want to when the government that you are supporting is like bombing civilians constantly. You'd think you would want to like add a slice of that texture in there any anytime you're talking about this story famous military aggressors nato right
Starting point is 00:39:52 and i'm thinking like how how how far off are they from going like you know to doing all this like equivocating to me like and the u.s does this all the time so what's the problem with putin you know what i mean you're like whoa you're like if we're talking war crimes every single u.s does this all the time so what's the problem with putin you know what i mean you're like whoa you're like if we're talking war crimes every single u.s president has been a war criminal during times of armed conflict and there's actually you know they were even threatening to you know fucking invade the hay if there are any kind of war crime charges brought against the u.s and it's like so are we really that different and it's like i feel like there's there's like some bizarro shit just
Starting point is 00:40:25 on the brink of bringing this kind of thinking in because to our it was just very strange to see those things well it's the second part it's like you know america does this too so what's wrong with it well it's wrong it's wrong when we do it well that's not wrong but america does it too then it's wrong yeah but we do it too okay so then full stop it's wrong. Yeah, but we do it too. Okay, so then full stop, it's wrong. We shouldn't be doing that. I don't know. But Tucker, he's got to be careful because he's going to end up talking about why he understands why so many people want socialism on his show again, like he did two summers ago. And everyone's like, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:40:58 He's like, can you blame people for wanting it? Well, the good thing about this is, you know, if if he was thinking of running for president, he has now staked out a position that 90 percent of the country opposes. Yeah. Yeah. And those 10 percent will hail bop or Jim. People will kill themselves for you. There's a lot of sheep out there but there's not enough yeah right he was the the socialism thing was wild because it was like a like five minutes straight where i was like yep no that that's right too that's right that's right but he was describing it when you look at the broader context he was describing it as like this is a big like opportunity for the right to like take advantage of like how many disenfranchised people there are in this country as opposed to as a human who has empathy for other human beings yeah and i don't it's very strange
Starting point is 00:41:56 for someone who like i've always been a you know a pretty liberal thinker and a devoted Democratic. And we were the ones that were accused of being soft on Russia by the Republicans. We love Russia. The problem was we liked when there were reforms going on, we were for that. No, we wanted to get the old KGB guy in there. The strong man. That's what we want. You know what you
Starting point is 00:42:25 couldn't do in russia your show right right you know his uh and recently he's now also been you know uh repeating the same claims we hear about there's like the u.s is running bio labs in ukraine where they're working on chemical weapons and you're like hold on because this also follows like the very russian art of projection or most leaders do where it's like this came on the heels of like intelligence analysts saying like they're distributing like biochemical like chemical weapons suits to their soldiers we potentially think that they're this may like be part of the strategy and then you hear the things like there's actually bio there's bio labs in ukraine that the u.s is working on and again jennifer garner had to go on later on hannity to basically explain like these are from the soviet era and the u.s has been like involved in trying to make
Starting point is 00:43:15 sure that nothing gets out of these labs if there is anything there and to just offline them and it's like this isn't a working fucking like bio lab or whatever. And to just say that they're there completely strips away all this other context. But that's been a huge thing that even Tucker Carlson is saying and Tulsi Gabbard now. So, yeah, they're. to have these opinions. They get paid a lot of money by RT to have these opinions. And the other thing is, again, it's the same reason they're against vaccines. It's because the government says this is the right. And it's like nothing, you know, you love America so much, you know that anything its government says is wrong
Starting point is 00:44:02 and that it's evil. Right. Unless it's Donald Trump. Right. And for example, my oldest brother, who's a big Trumpy Republican, he didn't want to get, he's not vaccinated. And it's fierce. It's like we both have different fears. And my fear is that I'm going to get COVID. And his fear is that I'm going to get COVID. And his fear is that the government, the same people in charge of the post office and the DMV is also behind a seamless global conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Have you tried to buy stamps? Yeah. Like at this point, I go to a website to do it. Yeah. It's like if I stood in line to get my vaccine and at the end of the vaccine line, they gave me a tennis ball and one shoe. I would think, yep, the government is behind this whole thing. It's a good shoe, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Yeah. It's just you can't you also can't argue with it because it's a beautiful self. The minute you prove them wrong, they use that, oh, of course, that's wrong. That's why. They did that on purpose. You know, it's just, you can't pull people out of their own assholes. We talked last week about how there's a lot of like that. That is coming directly from Russian disinformation. The like labs in in Ukraine, the weapons labs in Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:45:31 And like that's why they're being targeted. And Fauci is somehow involved, I think, in the labs in Ukraine. And so it seems like they're all drinking from the same. They managed to make it about them. Right. Right. Well, yeah, there is this strange synergy with conspiracy theorists, QAnon, Russian disinformation, like you're talking about. Because, yeah, the idea from QAnon is like, well, actually, no, Donald Trump's working with Putin, like you're saying, to go against Dr. Fauci's bio labs was how
Starting point is 00:46:05 it was sort of spun the last couple of weeks. There's a new fucking conspiracy now that's even fucking just all over the fucking place. We need a sound sting for that. Yeah, there's a new QAnon conspiracy. Oh, just what it should be. Yeah. But this new one is totally do this one completely right now overlaps with the bio lab shit. But it's really fucking bad.
Starting point is 00:46:28 So this guy, this disinformation expert on Twitter, Marco and Jones, he said, you know, he regularly looks at like telegram channels or Q people are talking to each other. And this new one has been starting to gain traction. And it all has to do with how Trump says China. Okay. That's exactly it. I'm not joking. It's all about how we all know he says China or China. And just the way he says it, people like, oh, that's an interesting affect.
Starting point is 00:46:53 So this whole thing is like the theory posits. What if he was trying to send us his secret message was the way he was saying China all these years. And it goes to say that, you know, he would say like the China virus or that China created COVID. What if he wasn't actually talking about China, but a place in Ukraine called China? And you're like, wait, hold on. What? So these people pulled up these like Google Maps links with these terribly like translated names. There's a place called Troy S. China and Shipple China, C-H-Y-N-A. And these people have basically said, look, China's right on the end of this. There's there. We also see that this is near a bio lab.
Starting point is 00:47:39 So this is what's actually fucking happening. So the Democrats actually made the virus. And this is what this is what's actually fucking happening. So the Democrats actually made the virus and this is what, this is what's all at stake now. And I just want to point out that a lot of people who are actual, you know, like native speakers are like, this is not even how you'd pronounce it. Like shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Shut the fuck up. The theory beneath it is the guy from the access Hollywood tapes was afraid to say something. guy from the access hollywood tapes was afraid to say something right he had to put it in coded language because he didn't want to come out and say it yeah but there are a lot of people that you know people like a night there are a lot of fascists in waiting they like yeah they like it until they live under it right it's like they they think they think joe biden is a fascist but they really want a real fascist right exactly yeah but it's just again it's like my dad can't my parents can't be right they're my parents right and yeah and this is also done this really interesting thing where because
Starting point is 00:48:36 now the china he was talking about is in ukraine all these q and honors have now been like oh that absolves china of any wrongdoing and even though we were going so hard on the anti-chinese stuff as part of the like conspiracy theories because of this one it like upends the table and now uh president xi is part of a fucking triumvirate along with putin and trump where they're fighting the deep state yeah so like it's so much pretzeling to get to like to to make sense of it which is the deep state used to be aliens used to be right you know the devil it's just a nice right it's it's you know it's like that's what they talk about like the
Starting point is 00:49:18 oligarchy the way you know we're gonna fight the oligarchy because okay there's no concrete thing there to fight. You can always be against it. You can always argue it. You can have people goosing your Patreon for your podcast until you're old and gray. It was pretty incredible. They managed to, like, consolidate every major authoritarian figure, basically. The three most powerful authoritarian figures in the world we got one
Starting point is 00:49:45 i did a thing on my podcast a couple of months ago where i just listed every q anon prediction and there's like none of them happened right like didn't happen didn't happen didn't happen didn't happen and still they go like yeah but that proves it's right right right exactly that's why i'll add the numbers up you're like okay yeah i can't but there are a lot of people that are crazy and there are a lot of people that are just running a grift you know we all know people that are just running a great and uh financially profitable grift playing on people's anger and paranoia and you know it's uh it's sad but it's not the only thing is it's it's not new right yeah it's not it's always it's always been there let's take a break we'll come
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Starting point is 00:55:05 So I saw just this thing that says she's not, she's bowing out of being nominated, or she wants to come out of contention for being inducted into the Hall of Fame because she doesn't want to split votes. She doesn't want to, yeah, basically, so the class that they were nominating included Beck, Devo, Kate Bush, Eminem, Rage Against the Machine, Carly Simon, and others.
Starting point is 00:55:28 And she pulled out because she didn't want herself to take away any votes, which probably she would have been like a unanimous runaway because she's so popular right now. And her explanation was, you know, I do hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will understand and will be willing to consider me again if I'm ever worthy. This has, however, inspired me to put out a hopefully great rock and roll album at some point in the future, which I have always wanted to do. So basically she's like, I don't make rock music,
Starting point is 00:55:59 and I don't feel like I should get nominated ahead of all these other people who do actually make rock music. Yeah, like Eminem. Right, like Eminem. So it's interesting. JM, our writer, JM McNabb, put together kind of a history of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And it is, you know, very American. So it started as a marketing grift, basically. I know.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Just like Woodstock, though. I mean, Woodstock also was dreamed up by people on Park Avenue. But yeah, basically, it started as a guy wanted to put together a TV special featuring rock greats from the 50s and 60s. And an ad man suggested changing the name to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Along with the name change, they planned a modest museum so that said name would make sense.
Starting point is 00:56:54 That's it. And then, like, there was... That too, now. That show, like, basically never happened, but people, you know, the TV producer got squeezed out of the organization they started making their own specials once his five-year deal expired at the end of the 80s and that's where we get this idea of a rock and roll hall of fame but yeah i mean like i on the one hand like i think dolly parton should be in the rock and roll hall of fame. It's great. Like another chance to celebrate her and her music,
Starting point is 00:57:27 but yeah, whatever she wants. Right. Yeah. Literally whatever she wants. And that's how she does. That's how she lives her life too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:34 You know what I mean? Yeah. She's just like, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. And who knows? Like, you know, supposedly covered in tattoos.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Yeah. I know. That's one of my favorite conspiracy theories. Roll up the sleeves. Roll up the sleeves. Show the guns. Yeah. So, I mean, the way they do the nomination process is kind of confused and half assed to begin with. You've got just basically 40 anonymous music journalists who put together the nominating list, and then that list is voted on by a larger pool working in the industry. Again, I think they're mostly anonymous. So you have to just look at the results to get a sense of their taste or any biases that might be in place, such as Eminem getting on the list of nominees ahead of most great rappers. And it's just like the Academy Awards.
Starting point is 00:58:33 I mean, it's rare. The best picture is the best picture. Right. Right. Yeah. And it's like the, if the Academy Awards started in the eighties and was like,
Starting point is 00:58:44 all right, let's get all these, knock out all these movies from the past hundred years. Get them all at the same time. And then you let a bunch of old white guys vote on it. I'm sure you would end up with a pretty skewed, pretty skewed results. Yeah, right. Exactly. Well, it's weird how like they're also like, you like miles davis will be in an inductee but then
Starting point is 00:59:05 there's like this big blind spot for like like black other black artists even though and maybe in their mind they're using like well they're not really rock but it's like well hold on right exactly they only get huge talented people so what what's the logic of this nomination process to begin with yeah people say they specifically have a blind spot for post-disco R&B acts and black female artists. Sade has never been nominated, even. Chaka Khan was nominated
Starting point is 00:59:33 several times, but then removed. Did these people ever fuck in the late 80s? And you don't have that on your fucking list? Do you fucking know anything about music? How is Tone Loke not in there? Right. He's like a wild thing, man.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Yeah. But it does just seem like they check the Q ratings of various celebrities and are like, all right, Dolly Parton's hot right now. Let's throw in there. Right. Yeah. It's like people who say the JFK assassination was when America lost its innocence. Right. They did nothing else before that.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Nothing before that. That wasn't innocent. Yeah. No fucking around with atomic bombs, right? Okay. Yeah. Slavery? Maybe slavery?
Starting point is 01:00:23 No. Innocent mistake! Jackie got shot. Only had the best intentions. Well, you know that was all set up by Fauci, right? I don't have to tell you that. Fauci's time machine.
Starting point is 01:00:37 JFK's going to be back any day. Of all the people to be the villain. Right. Nice doctor. Yeah, I don't know, you you know we're trying our best even like even in the memes they make it's so hard to make him look evil you know how like hillary clinton they'll find like some like her mid sneeze or something yeah or use that shit like fauci all the photos are like he just looks like a stock photo of nice old doctor guy. Yeah. Like even with a red filter, it's, I don't know, they're visually not really catching.
Starting point is 01:01:09 There's a clip. I don't know if you saw the documentary about Mr. Rogers. I think it was called, won't you be my neighbor? I think. Yeah, I think that's right. And there's a beautiful, beautiful. I mean, the whole, the whole premise of the doc, if you haven't seen it, is he was really Mr. Rogers. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:27 He was a beautiful human being who worked really hard and had a family. And none of his kids are meth heads. They all love him and they miss him. And his wife is lovely. And he was a minister. And he worked really hard. He had adversity. And he struggled through it.
Starting point is 01:01:42 And he was famous all of his life. And he never raped anybody. And we don't know how that happened and he struggled through it. He was famous all of his life. He never raped anybody and we don't know how that happened. We're studying it. But there was a thing like Fox News. They were attacking Mr. Rogers because he said that every kid is special. And so like, that's the problem with society.
Starting point is 01:01:58 This guy thinks every kid is special. No, he just means that their kids deserve love. That's all he's just means that their kids deserve love. That's all he's saying. Oh, kids deserve love. You know, and it's when you have a problem in your brain where everything provokes anger and that your knee jerk response to everything is anger, that you will find yourself defying logic to justify your emotion like
Starting point is 01:02:29 attacking somebody like anthony or or mr rogers it's like yeah yeah i mean i think there's a lot of toxic masculinity like that shaped you know me like growing up, I came out of the process of, like, being a teenager, feeling like the only acceptable emotion was anger, and that, like, sadness and, you know, guilt and any vulnerable emotion had to, like, go into the black box and come out as anger. And, like, it takes, yeah. There's a great quote to that end a great quote that you have on my desktop by joe strummer of the clash yeah okay punk rock means exemplary manners to your fellow human beings fuck being an asshole which is what some of you pricks thought
Starting point is 01:03:19 it was i like it yeah well speaking of punk rock we do have to talk about the shamrock shake because uh saint patrick's day is coming up and there's nothing more punk rock than one of my very best friends my ride or die ken daly was in a shamrock Shake commercial as a child actor in like 1980 and if you YouTube Shamrock Shake commercial you will see hilarious young Ken Daly in a Shamrock
Starting point is 01:03:56 he was also in the movie The Karate Kid he was Ralph Macchio's buddy in The Karate Kid wait which one? the one who ditches him at the beach? when he gets kicked? but he's the one that's there at the fight at the end it's like you did it you did it you did oh nice yeah he's his buddy and uh and uh and the karate kid and yeah he's in a lot of stuff karate kid is second on my list of movies i watched you know a hundred times before i was seven years old. Oh, yeah. Do you watch Cobra Kai? I watched up
Starting point is 01:04:25 through season three and my shark jumping meter started going. I haven't seen season four yet. I didn't watch it. Please don't tell me they all become spies or something. It gets very QAnon
Starting point is 01:04:41 influenced. Yeah. One thing about the show which I Gets very QAnon influenced. Oh, no, no. Yeah. It is. But one thing about the show, which I love, is that as somebody who lives there, where the show takes place now, you know, it's like not everyone's in a dojo. Like I drive around all day and I'll rarely meet anyone who's in a dojo. I, you know what? I, you know what? I was, I was in Griffith park this weekend, hiking with my wife and there was like many large karate classes doing like demonstrations. And then we were like driving home from that. And there was a dojo that was like bursting at the door with like people. I was like, bursting at the door with like people i was like it's all happening it's all happening this is what i always dreamed living in southern california would be like the karate craze of 22
Starting point is 01:05:32 so they only get released around this time of year in limited quantities there's a highly devoted fandom you know jm wrote the story story up as... Don't they taste like Scope? A little bit. They taste like Scope-tainted vanilla milkshake. But, you know, J.M. called it an eerily green drink. But, you know, anyone who's familiar with matcha, there's nothing eerie about that. Matcha gang in the building. Does it get its green coloring from anything as wholesome as, like, matcha tea leaves? Probably not. I'll say definitely not but as an
Starting point is 01:06:06 irish person i don't think of ice cream when i what's a drink the irish like ice cream nice foamy nice frothy mouthwashy ice cream yeah frothy mouthwash yeah it ice cream. Yeah, frothy mouthwash. Yeah. It's the only dessert mouthwash we have. Yeah. And helps cover any odors on your breath when you head home. Hey, come on now. Hey. That's true. That and the McRib.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Yeah. Right. I mean, they know what they're doing. They've been doing the shamrock shake for yeah i longer than i thought i thought it just like popped up in the 90s but this is long no no no no no yeah it's forever yeah there is a shamrock shake finder app you can use to make sure you're going to shake finder and there's even a founding controversy of like who invented it there was somebody in connecticut claimed to have invented in 66 and 70 there was a promotion around it to like raise money for children's medical treatment and mcdonald's
Starting point is 01:07:13 like disputed that claim that it was invented by one of their franchisees in 66 and now just like quietly changed it to be the fact after like defaming this franchisee for years but there's also uncle o'grimacy uncle o'grimacy he's basically a green grimace who started uh popping up in mcdonald's ads in the mid 70s made of like a a green fur that looks very similar to Oscar. He seemed to somehow be made of shamrock shake material, yet also drank it. It's sort of like the human equivalent of a guy that walked around eating his own hand. Right.
Starting point is 01:08:01 But yeah. And then in 2017, McDonald's tweeted an image celebrating this Irish tweet with the image of a guy turning a shake with like five straws into, you know, the traditional Irish instrument bagpipe set against the traditional Irish landscape of Stonehenge. Dude, just take a dump right on the flag for that commercial. What the fuck? Not putting a ton of thought. Yeah. A great traditional Irish tiki hut.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Right. Oh, they can't win. Anyways, I haven't had one since I was a kid. But I think I'm going to be in. Do you guys drink boba at all? That's the new thing. It's like, here's a delicious drink. Now let's pour some shit in it that makes it hard to drink. You'll choke on.
Starting point is 01:08:54 It's funny. In the beginning, when I was in high school, I loved it with boba. Now I'll go and I'm like, no boba. Hold the boba. Just the drink part, please. I don't want to chew while I drink. Yeah, it gets stuck in the straw. Then you start to drink and your head starts to go.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Right. Did you? But Uncle O' Grimacy, though, was also controversial because there's this like, Jay was pointing out that an event in 78, a guy in an Uncle O' Grimacy costume, like this is a rumor, like on Mike or whatever, just said that, quote, the only good British soldier is a dead British soldier mic or whatever just said that quote the only good british soldier is a dead british soldier well then he is irish that meant something in 78 yeah so that's the rumor as to why uncle o'grimacy disappeared from shamrock shake the official drink of the troubles
Starting point is 01:09:39 i mean yeah they were like trying to intimate too that. He was like connected to the IRA. Like, oh, he was Sinn Fein, man. You better watch out. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, even the Philly voice said Uncle O'Grimmacy was let go shortly after because of his controversial ties to the IRA. I don't know if the Philly voice is to be entirely taken at face value here. But it's Belfast-tastic.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Yeah. voices to be entirely taken at face value here but anyways it's belfastastic yeah right well dana as always such a pleasure having you where can where can people find you and follow you well you know i'm dana gould on all platforms i have a little podcast called the dana gould hour which is just me hacking around but uh the thing that i'm uh would like to draw people to is on YouTube. That's how it's pronounced. YouTube. I have a show called Hanging with Dr. Z, which is a, it's basically what if Dr. Zayas from Planet of the Apes had a talk show in the 70s. You know, that old, that old idea. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:46 It was during the pandemic and Rob Cohen, who's a writing partner of mine and an old friend, we were sitting around bored out of our skulls because it was pandemic. And we thought, what could we do that was really, really expensive that would also put us at risk of being sued by Disney? And we came up with this idea. It's called Hanging with Dr. Z. And you just go on's called Hanging with Dr. Z. And you just go on YouTube, Hanging with Dr. Z or Dr. Z, however, it'll get you there. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:21 It's a really, it's the mixture of Between Two Ferns and Planet of the Apes that America has been wanting. And yeah, we're in our second season right now and it's uh people really like it nice makeup check it out on point you know oh it is exactly if you're looking at it it's it is exactly what they have are you playing one of are you playing dr z yeah that's me and uh it's sort of a, I could tell you the story behind it, but you don't really need it. It's just, it's 10 minutes an episode and I can only describe them as beautifully stupid. I love it. All right. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media that you've been enjoying? Yeah, well, two. One, Emo Phillips, who is one of the best followers on Twitter, had a tweet the other day that just should be put into bronze, which is no one on Twitter should be complaining about losing an hour. he is always emo phillips and blaine kapach are the two people on twitter that just like i read their twitter feeds and i just want to quit yeah yeah did you ever see the one out
Starting point is 01:12:36 did you ever see the one where that was a it was a guy and he would like he would fall over on his desk and then he like turned into ice and then he was just like this amazing kind of style like you fall over and but it would when he hit the ground it was like a bunch of bananas or he fell over his desk it was like a bunch of ice cubes like this beautiful thing and emo tweeted even in this
Starting point is 01:12:58 even if this turns out to be some kind of special effect it's really amazing some kind of special effect. It's really amazing. Yeah, Emo and Blaine are just brutal, brutally great. Miles, where can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:13:17 You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also, the other show, 420 Day Fiance with Sophie Alexander. We talk 90 day fiance some tweets that i like first one is from a ball at abolished wages tweeted my kink is informing tesla owners that 80 of the electricity used to charge their cars comes from fossil fuels
Starting point is 01:13:35 and mary at nekapog tweeted happy my car clock is right Again Day to all who celebrate. Shout out to all my daylight savings non-clock changers. Let's see. I was off Twitter all weekend. Good for you. So I'm looking. I'm looking. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:59 No, there's nothing good this weekend. Good to know. Nothing happened. I might have quoted this one. Noah Garfinkel tweeted a picture of Batman screaming and said, The doctor is a woman. That's answering riddles. Fucking destroys me. No.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Oh, speaking of, speaking of speaking of batman uh people need to go and watch the adam west batman because when i i know when i was a kid i don't know how many people are even familiar with it that are under 40 but the tv show batman was was put on and reruns in the afternoons, and people thought it was a kid's show. But it's actually much closer to Police Squad than it is to a kid's show. I mean, if Police Squad starts here,
Starting point is 01:14:54 and if Airplane and Police Squad start here, Batman comes right up to here. Just on the other side of it, right. Yeah, it's so brutally funny to watch it as an adult, knowing that it's just great. We were talking about it last, last week, last week,
Starting point is 01:15:12 like one of the most recent episodes, because I was obsessed with superheroes. I was like a four year old. My four year old is currently obsessed with superheroes. So I was like, we're watching Superman 1978. And like, he was really into that
Starting point is 01:15:26 and i was like the next thing like the my main superhero diet up to like at this point in my life was the adam west batman right so yeah my mom would just put me in front of that when i was before i was school age and sure but it's actually if you can can watch it, as an adult, as a kid, you don't realize how funny. Funny it is. Yeah. We had Adam. I know we were out of time. We had Adam on The Simpsons and he was voicing Batman because it was an old episode of Batman that Krusty the Clown was on. And Krusty the Clown had him tied up and we had done all of his dialogue.
Starting point is 01:16:04 And then we just said to him He was the greatest guy in the world, by the way So wonderful And we said to him Now we just need some wild grunts and groans Like you're tied up and you're struggling in vain And he went Struggling in vain
Starting point is 01:16:19 We didn't tell him to do that either That was all him a god sir yeah he was and he was lovely he was lovely great amazing the thing i'm bracing myself for jack is you show your kids adam west batman we're like oh that shit's so good and then they're like what the fuck is this oh yeah why batman got that droopy chest this is like superhero i learned from the 1978 super uh superman that they will endure a lot of boring shit till they get to the superhero part to watch a live action human play a superhero is a big deal because like oh so the costume is enough to keep him at bay for a little bit the trailer sorry the credits for the opening credits
Starting point is 01:17:05 for 1978 superman are you know conservatively about 15 minutes long right of just names like zooming through space and they were like this is taking so long but we didn't fast forward it and then it opens on krypton with like Marlon Brando walking around talking about, you know, climate change and like, you know, sentencing somebody to a scary phantom zone. They sat through it all. So I think we might be good. We might just coast off of costumes and, you know, pow. Whenever I hear that music, because that was the theme to Superman 2. I was an usher at the movie theater when we played that movie.
Starting point is 01:17:49 And every time I hear that music now, I think, I got to go open the doors. Yeah. Ah, it's over. It's true. Stop playing asteroids. Go open the doors. playing asteroids go open the door also i thought i appreciated how confusing uh the part is where superman turns turns back time by flying backwards around the globe to reverse the spin of the earth and then the other way to like get it going again to like turn back time and then i had to explain
Starting point is 01:18:16 it to a five-year-old and i was like yeah the thing you have to understand is, you know. Here, pull out the old turntable and put that record on. Once you can do that, there's no movie. There's no story. Right. Yeah, exactly. You can't do that all the time. Right. Like, we have to suspend our disbelief over this shit.
Starting point is 01:18:36 That's why I don't like Superman. This is what happens when Superman cries, is he changes the rotation of the earth. That's right. All right. Well, you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's
Starting point is 01:19:01 episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song are we linking off to uh let's do some river tiber one of my favorite producers uh and one of the people who works a lot with probably many of your favorite artists but this is a track called nevada and it's just a great song it's got like you know again always great instrumentation on these river tiber tracks good you, you know, falsetto vocal. So it's got a little bit of some funk to it. So just enjoy it. Nevada by River Tiber.
Starting point is 01:19:30 All right. Well, we will link off to that. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. We are back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. And we will talk to you all then. Bye.
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