The Daily Zeitgeist - Shamrock Shakeup, Our Technocrapic Dystopia 02.27.23

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

In episode 1430, Jack and guest co-host Joelle Monique are joined by the hosts of WikiListen, Rachel Teichman and Victor Varnado, to discuss… Biden Is Turning Asylum-Seeking into Ticketmaster, Roald Dahl Was Just Un-censored, The Shamrock Shake is Back... And Has Competition and more! Biden Is Turning Asylum-Seeking into Ticketmaster Remarks by President Biden and President Andrzej Duda of Poland After Bilateral Meeting Biden administration unveils broad asylum restrictions at U.S.-Mexico border How Biden came to embrace Trumpian border policies Asylum seekers met with issues from new CBP One app U.S. Border Protection app causes tech headaches for asylum seekers SENATOR MARKEY CALLS ON DHS TO DITCH MOBILE APP RIDDLED WITH GLITCHES, PRIVACY PROBLEMS, FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS U.S. Customs and Border Protection says photos of travelers were taken in a data breach Roald Dahl Was Just Un-censored Camilla tells authors to ‘remain true to calling’ amid Roald Dahl row Racist 'Oompa–Loompa' Evolution The Rewriting of Roald Dahl Why I hope my kids never read Roald Dahl It's Shamrock Shake Season, baby Dairy Queen releases new 'Under the Rainbow' shake, other St. Patrick's Day treat LISTEN: Percogesic by GallantSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just

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attacked by a swamp bunny, the Bristol Stool Scale. Please welcome to the show, Victor Vernado and Rachel Teichman! Hello, world! What's up? Open up the gates, let us out, let's do it! Let us out. Let's do it. Classic. I will be doing a lot of crazy voices today. Just letting you know ahead of time. Yeah, I should have mentioned. Victor's a voice guy.

It can be a lot of Bugs Bunny style antics. So how are you guys doing? You're in New York? Yeah, we're in New York. We both live in Queens in the same neighborhood look at that a lot of brunch dates between you two mostly pool we play pool against each other a lot okay we have a running tally i'll show it to you well i'll tell you what it is right now i'm going to show you oh there's no need there's no need oh i'll tell you why there's no need to show the tally. I'll tell you why there's no need. Because I have currently 42 wins and she has 30. Wow.

It should be 42. Oh, he's cheating. He's cheating. We're actually witnessing Victor change the score on his tally to 30. There you go. That's where we're at right now. Pretty evenly matched, though. That's pretty good.

Odds-wise, it's not not bad if this was nba you'd be fine yeah you see that rachel it's fine that's what you'll be saying in a couple of weeks when i yes when i'm ahead yeah we'll see about that licking your wounds all right well uh we are going to get to know you both a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. Joe Biden has turned asylum seeking into Ticketmaster with the help of a fun app. So we're just going to talk about the fun technocratic solution to immigration that they've come up with. And just generally the fun technocratic world that we live in uh we're gonna talk about roald dahl's book being censored then uncensored then

i don't know uh we're gonna talk about the the shamrock shake being back and having competition from dairy queen uh all of that plenty more but before we get to any of that bullshit victor rachel we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history and i'll start with you rachel what's something from your search history uh something in my search history from today is a recipe for cookie dough stuffed hamantaschen oh which is a type of cookie to celebrate the holiday of Purim which is coming up there you go okay that sounds fancy super delicious makes me want to text my friend Lior and be like have you tried it would you try it is this sacrilegious where do you feel where are you on the line of like this is good or or this my grandmother would kill me

if she knew if if you tried hamantaschen if you put cookie dough in hamantaschen oh uh it's very unorthodox because the base that i'm also doing is a chocolate chip cookie flavored base and so it's a cookie stuffed cookie so uh completely non-traditional yeah i think my my grandmother would love it honestly love that we're talking about a like that pizza hut would eventually have cheese like find a way to stuff cheese into the cheese of their pizza yesterday and you have like created a similar thought experiment that is like breaking my brain right now. So it's like one type of cookie dough stuffed into another cookie. Yeah, it's chocolate chip cookie dough stuffed into essentially a triangular shaped chocolate chip cookie. This is the greatness of America on display right now.

Does the dough get baked? It's unbaked cookie dough. So you bake the cookies and then stuff the unbaked dough inside. It'll all be baked together, but hypothetically the cookie dough stuffing will stay soft enough. It sounds delicious. I want to liquefy it and shoot it into my arteries. I can make that happen for you.

I just bought a stethoscope. Just call me Dr. Rachel. Everybody heard that she threatened me with murder. Did you hear that? Yeah. She just seemed accommodating to me, Victor. That's all I heard. What is something from your search history, Victor? I actually checked something in my search. I checked something today so that I could talk about it on the show in my search history. about it on the show in my search history so it's recent search history for 10 years straight i am the number one video result when you search for how to draw a penis so if you google how to draw a penis the number one video result is me and then i'm still champion huh there you are are you just drawing up what how did this

video come to be the i'll tell you how the video came to be so a long time i i i also like have a production company and so a long time ago i got a deal to do like a whole bunch of art videos where people were drawing on on glass standing and then so I built inside the studio this glass that you could just draw on. And then so one day I was on the set and I put on a fake mustache and then I made a character and then I taught people how to draw penis and I put it online

and it just kind of stuck around. It's amazing. It's in black and white. So it's very artistic. It's giving the artist for sure i love this it's on a dead youtube channel like the dead youtube channel version is the one that has stuck around forever and so like my current it's on my current youtube channel but it doesn't have half as many views as on this dead channel the voice you did for it is incredible thank you i can't really hear the voice but you you were taking it very seriously with a very silly mustache i i do break during the video i

think that's part of the fun because my most mustache starts falling off at one point and i start laughing well you're telling me that's not a real mustache sorry to disappoint you i like that you chose to go for straight hair instead of curly. I feel like everyone's natural instinct is like, I'll do short and curly. But these are just like wispy hairs. Yeah, yeah. The penis's hair is like kind of, yeah, very straight. Like a series of eyelashes.

And I have explanations for all of that stuff too. Oh, great. If you hear it with sound, you'll know the truth. Yeah. How to draw penis guys amazing yeah that it's got to be like pretty pretty popular right like yeah i just got so many extra views for that dead channel that's great yeah try to find it on the real channel give show victor your support my goodness as of right now it is at 199,000 views. Wow. So maybe you, if you're lucky, you could be the 200,000th view.

That's really funny. What do they win? An autographed penis drawing from me after I have studied under the tutelage of Victor Fartnato. What? What is this? under the the tutelage of victor fartnado what what is so that channel that channel do you remember uh my damn channel that i did on youtube so yeah they gave me a deal for this channel but then they they like so we started this channel comedy channel and then they just imploded and then so and then i never found the lot that i never not found, but I never got all the login information back. So I can't. It's just dead.

It's just broken. If we had a dollar for every day, every day video channel or magazine article. Yeah, I just had to rescue all my stuff from AV club. So it's fun. It's the life. Truly. What's something that you guys think is overrated? Shaking hands is overrated.

Shaking hands. All right. Is there a better way to greet? Just a hello. Nice to meet you. How are you? Rachel said no touching. No touching.

Why do I need to touch a stranger's hand? I really would have thought that COVID was going to kill that. It has not killed it. And it's like, you just feel grimy. You feel grungy. And one person is trying to assert their dominance over the other by being firmer.

It's just a whole dynamic. Who are you shaking hands with? What is happening? Handshakes are happening in New York. Oh my God. That is a thing you always hear though. Like I remember that being like a one of the first pieces of socialization that i was like was instructed in i mean the first was like how

to draw a penis i learned that from victor but then secondly my dad was like here's how you shake hands and you have to like be firm and like make eye contact and turn it into an arm wrestling match and pull them off balance and this is how you know who's winning in the relationship that's right the stronger handshake okay that's right i feel it i definitely feel it i i think you're right touching dirty hands it's all it's a weird thing now i feel like when i go because what i think is happening is like it's ingrained in a lot of us. So, you know,

you meet somebody, Oh, hi. I mean, you just like automatically stick your hand out. And now like halfway through sticking my hand out. I'm like, this is a bad idea.

We should not be doing this. But it's your hand. Have I seen them in mass on their IG photos? You're not ever touching and it's over. Okay. Instead, just sneak up behind them and give them a nice warm shoulder rub. That sounds nice.

That's presidential. It's presidential. Exactly. Hey, buddy. Nice to meet you. How are you? Then you're just in their ears so you don't have to talk too loud. Your hair smells nice.

The first thing they hear from you is, Oh, no. That's a terrible sight. That's better though, right? Am I right? No. Voice hot air on your neck. And if you are really into the power play thing, the biggest power play I've seen,

this famous agent I once witnessed. Somebody went to shake their hand and they said, Nah. They didn't say, No, I'm sick or their hand and they said, nah, they didn't, they didn't say, no, I'm sick or anything. They just said, nah.

And like, that is the firmest handshake you can give is denying somebody a handshake while their hand is out. I want to honor these strong boundaries. And I also feel like it's so rude, but also could I do it? Oh man, I don't know.

I feel like I couldn't get away with it. I think he said, nah, I don't know. No, I'm good. I feel like I couldn't get away with it. I think he said, nah, I don't shake. I don't have the money status yet to pull that off. I feel like you have to have a certain threshold of capital. Was it a nah, I don't shake or was it just a nah? Because it seems like if you're just like nah, that seems like kind of like, it's almost like a slap in the face instead of a shake in the hand.

Yeah, I think they said, nah, I don't shake. Okay. So yeah, it was specific. Qualify the shaking your hand. Yeah, I think they said, nah, I don't shake. Okay. So, yeah, it was specific. Qualify the nah. Okay. We'll be done. Victor, what about you? Is something that's overrated? You know, it's actually kind of related, but I will say

ruthlessness is overrated. Oh! I think, yeah, absolutely. I work with a lot of entrepreneurs, and a lot of entrepreneurs are all about, it's like, you know, all or nothing. It's ruthlessness. Go, go, go. You have to be ruthless. You gotta, if somebody doesn't make some mistake, you gotta cut them from your team. Like all that is no. is no are you recommending ruth being ruthful or just like having a few roots sorry yeah i don't know why they left that uh antonym out of the language but uh i guess they did right sorry you tripped you up there but yeah i don't i'm just recommending like i here's the thing like i've talked to people about how i deal with how i deal with people and in in the core of people who work with me i just want really i want people who are lifelong friends

whom i really enjoy that are good enough to get the job done well because those are the people i have to spend the most time with and that And that's not about being ruthless all the time and just like cutting people. It's working with people so that the best job can be done. I mean, I don't want to get too like sappy about it or anything like that. But I'm just trying to say ruthlessness, especially in the work world, is just bunk. Are you saying that people are not machines and need empathy in order to thrive and do their best work i that's sort of what i'm saying but he's also saying that i'm a robot too so oh i am well i guess i saw you kind of like you said that they're not machines but like

i can be kind of robotic sometimes we all all can at various times, I feel like. It's all right. The internet is turning us into robots. But I do feel like we're at a time when everybody's, the corporate structure, the way corporations are incentivized is to be ruthless like it's not just yeah internal business lingo it's also like you lay off 800 people at google and then like the stock price shoots up you know it's like the it's the way the incentive structure is like

set up in the united states and it's fucking it's a disaster my guy man yeah macho man energy i gotta be like destroying people in order to feel powerful yeah destroying their hands in a handshake and then destroying their lives by firing them exactly getting money out of it yeah and karate chopping their heads off. Yes. That's another thing that they don't openly share, but behind closed doors, a lot of executive coaches tell you karate chopping heads is a good way to establish dominance in the boardroom.

If this were a world with no consequences, I would definitely fire people by karate chopping their heads off. Great advice. What is something, Victor, well, let's stick with you, that you think is underrated? Well, I can't,

I hate to bring this up because we're just talking about how we don't want people to be robots, but something that is underrated is chat GPT. I know a lot of people are going to be like, hey, I don't want to hear this,

but some people will. I hope for some people, I'm going to be like, hey, I don't want to hear this, but some people will. I hope for some people I'm going to make your lives a little bit better. This is why this is why this is my argument for convincing you to go use chat GPT. Imagine that the absolute smartest person in the world gave you 100 percent of their attention and would help you with anything now that's what it's like it's not a person but it's a it's a it's a it's a robot but yeah that's what it's like it's it's a person who like it's the smartest it's basically the smartest the smartest intelligence in the world that you can get a hundred percent of their attention ask them anything and they'll try to help you.

That's why I'm saying you should use it. What kind of questions are you asking that you found really helpful? Well, I'll tell you. Just recently, I said to it, I want to take this idea I have and turn it into an app. And now three weeks later, I have a fully working app and an investor and my first business. Okay. Wow. So I was just basically batting things around with ChatGPT until I, as an artist, for me, it helps me rapidly prototype anything. That's how I use it.

It's like very, and it's not like, it's just doing all the busy work. So for instance, you could do all the busy work so for instance you could you could do all the busy work or you could sit and think for two hours and come up with 20 different versions of a tag line or you could have it do it in two seconds and then pick your favorite one and then adjust it and so it just takes away all of the busy work and so i i think that people should use it for anything that they consider as busy work especially busy mental, because it is like a it's like a mental labor. It'll do all the mental labor that you have to do, not not the creativity, but it does do the mental labor. Got it. Do you feel like your voice as an artist is able to still come through?

as an artist is able to still come through. Cause I've seen like Craig Mason, who's the show runner on the last of us. And he's got this great podcast called script notes that he hosts with John August, who wrote big fish. And they were talking about like, you know, there's a lot of fear that people were going to lose jobs or like,

Oh, suddenly we won't be employable. And their exploration with chat GPT was essentially, employable and their exploration with chat gpt was essentially so it's not funny or creative in that it can't yeah i can't develop like full thoughts or storylines it doesn't understand complex human emotions and how to phrase and write those things dialogue was total crap but they were really excited about the prospect of like say you're only no french and that's the language you write in but you'd like to make hollywood movies like it can quickly and pretty in a like readable manner translate your

scripts from french to english but that was basically their their bar as they were like you can't you can use it for like creative plugs like you suggested but uh you can't really use it as it won't take over anyone's job can i tell you something where i used like can suggested but uh you can't really use it as it won't take over anyone's job can i tell you something where i use like can i tell you like i think that chat gpt is going to like help me like really make a crap load of money in a really good way and i'm gonna tell you how it's doing it because what happened is that so i have a i have a podcast like a separate podcast which is like a teaching podcast where i teach people how to do things like in the entertainment industry. And then so what I did was I took one of the most popular episodes and I was going to turn it into an e-book.

But when I started turning into an e-book, I was like, I'm bored doing this. And then so I taught GPT-3, which is the AI behind ChatGPT. I taught GPT-3 how to go through a podcast transcript and then turn it into an ebook and it does it in one button push okay and then when i figured out how to do that and program that correctly and and do all that that is the app that i was talking about that i made that i'm launching now because it's and and so and you can actually look it up at the show like it's right it's at magicbookifier.ai so like it's a real it's a thing yeah so I mean so like I mean but I'm saying that like it because I had this very smart person to pay attention to me like I

was able to like do it wow I love that and you, did you read the New York Times article where the person was like, I think it wants to fuck me? Yeah. So that made me so happy. Do you think that like, it's not a actual intelligence, right? Like that's the thing that seems to be, I don't know. intelligence right like that's the that's the thing that seems to be i don't know i'm not no it's not it's not an actual intelligence but what it is is it's something that is trained how to react like humans would react to certain text prompts so basically it's just trained to act like a human would and i think that i think that if a human was just getting hold of emotions

they'd be as just as annoying as that that wasn't a new york times article because there's people like that there's people like when they were calling it love bombing yeah there's people that do exactly that and it could just be like not it could be mimicking something it's yeah i love you i think we should be together you don't love your wife i give this conversation a three out of ten like exactly yeah it was a salty it was a salty ass motherfucker yeah yeah just nagging and how about you rachel what's something that you think is underrated on a completely different note the tv show full house is completely underrated

the original or the netflix remake yeah the original the original okay okay all right what's underrated about it what are people not appreciating people are like here's this cheesy ass sitcom the they're like the writing is bad the acting is bad the jokes are dumb and but you know what like the actual story of full house is incredibly deeply tragic right like here's this young 29 year old man with a life he was he's 29 yeah the first season he's 29 and turns 30 in approximately episode 9, 10, 11, somewhere around there. That's unbelievable. I know. I know.

And he has three young children. He has this wonderful house, a great job. And then his wife is killed by a drunk driver. And now he's stuck trying to figure out how to grieve while helping his children grieve, keeping them alive, keeping them well, to the point of having his best friends come in, one of whom is his wife's living younger brother, 24 years old. Is that Stamos? Yeah, that's Stamos. Oh, my God. Imagine if Rachel had written the original series descriptions.

Amazing. People would be like, it's a comedy? Yeah, and that's the thing. It thinks it's a comedy. Right. It has these horribly tragic scenes of grief and loss and trying to

keep their family well and together, but then it's cut by a laugh track. Right. And there's just all these references throughout the series of the mother, although that dies off after the first couple of seasons. They don't reference her quite as much. But then there's even a couple of episodes

where they reference the oldest daughter, DJ, drinking a beer, and then the middle daughter stephanie later on she made some reckless friends and got in a car and later on her friends got into a car accident and it's just all these references back to the horrible loss that this family has faced this is actually really touching how passionate you are about this show I hate. How do you hate Full House? Okay, I understand if people think it's cheesy and corny or whatever, but

it's got so much heart and it's cute. It has little Olsen twins. And then if you know the behind-the-scenes stuff, you know that their younger sister was just running around causing havoc on set. Delightful. And Jesse's butt. There's a lot to really appreciate in this show. It's so good. It's so good. And that's why it's a lot to really appreciate in this show it's so good it's so

good and that's why it's the most underrated show yeah you had me at jesse's butt there you go there you go so joey wasn't an actual uncle he was he was just a friend the you know when your parents have a close friend and you call him yeah yeah that's uncle yes that's right like a lot of people in the world reference him as uncle joey but not once in the entire series do they call him uncle joey he's just danny's best friend oh really really you just call him joey they never call him uncle joey that's right so it's uncle jesse and wow my brain is melting i mean i really thought they called him uncle that's crazy this is this is straight up there with the Mandela effect, guys. I think it is.

It literally is the Mandela effect. That is a really good Mandela effect. I think we're going to have to call off the rest of this episode, actually, because I don't think I'm going to be able to recover from finding out I was wrong about that. I'm really going to have to go back to Netflix and not check that show out. to have to go back to netflix and uh not check that show off i will say the first the first few episodes of the first season kind of difficult to get through but the rest of the series because they're grieving no right exactly because they are going through trauma sorry if they're not funny enough for you rachel no i'm just joking that is that's crazy that he's a 29 year old father of

three just yeah just something about his vibe that felt like he was late 30s at the at the youngest but wait how old was his oldest daughter at the time oh 10 or 11 yeah so they had her when she Yeah. Whoa. Man. Yeah. Yeah. Well, his wife. Yeah, they were high school sweethearts. And then, you know, things kind of happened kind of fast.

But he was a successful sportscaster originally. He was making lots of money. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. The lore of Full House. Yeah.

One of the great shows ever. I'm so upset that's part of my brain now. Did they move into that house? Was that a new house that they were moving into? Or was that the same house that they lived in with the mom? That was the same house. Oh my God. That's so dark. It is.

Mom was just there. Like how long after her death does the show start? Only three months. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's got two girls. He needs help. Yes.

And in the very first episode, the first scene is of, so, like, the grandmother came in for those few months to help. of so like the grandmother came in for those few months to help and then the very first scene is when the grandmother is leaving so the girls had already lost their mom now their grandmother is leaving right oh my gosh rachel you have to write a book called the tragic world i know i know way too many details we have to do this because we can now. The grandma leaves as the show opens and then they start the next conversation and then you just hear tires screech out the front door and they run to

the front door. No! Yes, literally like they're crying. They're like, Grandma, don't go. They won't let go, but there's a laugh track behind it. So it distracts you from the trauma of the loss. Yeah. This is great I love all this information this is amazing all right and this isn't from one of your one of the wikipedia pages

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So this story made me scream, oh, good, a technocratic solution. So it started like last week, Biden was in Poland. He lauded the country for taking in more than 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees and said, the American people are united in our resolve as well. And people were pointing out that as he was giving that speech, they were also introducing the toughest policies yet aimed at turning away migrants to the United States. And, you know, one of the new rules is meant to replace Title 42, which is set to expire soon. But they were posted online last week and are subject to a 30-day public comment period.

But one of the big new things is a requirement for migrants to register using the Customs and Border Patrol smartphone app. And it's just a bad app. And it's just a, it's a bad, it's a bad app as, as frequently happens when you just open something up to the whole world using it. They launched the app in January to expedite the process for asylum seekers. It's been a goddamn nightmare because people have recorded countless errors that force users to go through all the steps only to have it crash and restart in a seemingly endless cycle. For some

reason, this reminded me of, did you guys see Cory Doctorow on Twitter talking about this? He googled a Thai restaurant in his neighborhood you know googled it went to the first result which was the name of the restaurant uh ordered food from it and it like the the top result was actually a google ad that was like a cloned website that was the

entire existence of the company was just to create cloned websites of the restaurant you're looking for and then charge you 15 more than the like they'll actually put your order in but they just like skim 15 off and so they just like insert themselves into this transaction and find little ways to fuck you over, get some of your money without providing any service whatsoever. I mean, you can see most internet companies, though, right? Like, even your Amazons, which are like, no, we house a bunch of these little independent companies and we're really helping them get seen and sell product and it's like sure but you're taking a large percentage and when returns come they have to like for example if you buy a book on kindle and decide to return it months later which you can do the author then has to pay that money back to amazon right like they don't take any of the brick and mortar,

like, you know, consequences off. It's, it's all in the same way that grub hub, if you return an order or something's not right with your order, they don't pin it on the driver or grub hub. The restaurant pays for that.

Yeah. It just feels like we are not like the tech is not up to, up to what we think it's up to in a lot of cases like it's just yeah yeah i mean i i agree with you but i think what what the biggest problem is is that the higher you get up in in just like power or whatever and the when people think they when people think they know what something is like they the government did not hire the best app developers that's the real problem because it could have worked if they just hired the right people but somewhere in the government somebody

is like my nephew does app development fine we can just do this project what's it's an app it's an app what how much work do we have to do it's an app you can do it and that's what happened and then it blew up right i was gonna say because canada had a similar thing if you were flying into canada from outside of the country during covid and i think even now like you have to scan your vaccination cards and then you have to like sign a bunch of stuff and you have to be vaccinated within x amount of days and then in order to get on your plane and then pass customs you have to like show the results of this app that worked pretty well i guess my which to me is much more streamlined it's essentially just do you have the medical requirements to enter our country as opposed to this app which demands people stop in every

country they pass on their way to america to be like hey can i seek asylum here and they're like no go for it but we're not working with those countries to like bring in that information into the app and if it's glitchy then i just i can only imagine it causing a lot of headaches for people who are literally fighting for their lives as opposed to me. I was just trying to get to Toronto for a film festival. It seems like maybe something that a half-assed app is not required here. Yeah, and if you're fleeing like a government that is trying to persecute and potentially like arrest or kill you, you might not have access to a charged smartphone. So, the internet.

Yeah. The internet, say. You're trying to send messages for help and you can't get rid of the pop-up ads and you're like, what? Can you imagine? Yeah, we talked to a security expert at the end of last week and we were talking about chat GPT and AI

and they were like, yeah, the thing that it's actually going to do is just make spam and pop-ups like better at tricking you like that's what it's going to be like with all technology it's all just going to be used to create the lowest denominator ads and make them better at tricking you and stealing your information every new technology is usually adopted by the adult film industry first. Yeah. Like, and so I wonder what's going,

I don't know, but I wonder what's happening right now. Cause something's happening. Right. Someone in porn let us know. In the pop up ads on porn sites. Yeah. Let us know.

Tell us what's going on. But, and there's just like, they're not up to the task when it comes to, this feels just true almost across the board over any considerable period of time. Like almost every company has a like information leak. Like one of the CBP subcontractors was hacked in 2019, exposing private information pertaining to thousands of random people. I was just like going back through like now,

now that I can't have two factor authentication, like through the Twitter app, I have to like have it through my iPhone. And like, as I was going back through that, I was like seeing all of the, you know, old passwords that I no longer use,

but still like they've all been exposed, leaked, and hacked within the last 15 years. Every company is exposing your private information because there's just not an overarching incentive structure for them. They're just like, yeah, there's so many of these leaks and these hacks that like we, like the consumer can't keep track of all that shit. So we just kind of keep it moving. Now it's just a notification that I get when I log into T-Mobile. Like they don't even send out emails anymore. But when you log into your account, there'll just be a notification at the top like,

some of your information was leaked. And I was like, oh, cool, T-Mobile, thanks. Just know that your information is in a perpetual state of being leaked. Thanks. Yeah, T-Mobile. AT&T, same shit. That's why I suggest to everybody

that you don't put anything online that you're not comfortable just telling everybody in the world. Somebody's making lots of money off of me and I want to cut. What? They're taking my information

and they're making money on it from the data leaks. You want your data slice. Yeah, I want my data slice. And it's like, I feel like yeah, but we're all worth fractions of a penny. It's just that we're one of three billion people whose information they've leaked. And companies can pay me a lump sum up front, like I do, to use their apps, or they can pay me monthly based off of a percentage. I'll take money either way totally fine to collect is there any technology that hasn't been completely like

taken over by like spam or scams or like it i guess like tv hasn't totally been it's just i mean it's been ruined by advertising, but... TV is a scam. Yeah. Just generally. Like, ask Miss Cleo is on there and do a hair scam. So it's a gateway scam. Yeah. But all the communication, like the two-way, like phones, email, text,

is all just slowly being taken over by... just made unusable at this point. You know what we still have in terms of unbothered two-way communication is picto chat on the original nintendo ds nice yeah nice a classic that's where we met yeah yeah if your system works it still works there you go yeah go to your brick and mortar stores. Meet the people you buy things from.

It feels good. It's better. So wait, what is PictoChat on the Nintendo DS? I missed that. I haven't played video games since N64. PictoChat was an app built into all of the original Nintendo DSs and DS lights where it's a two-way communication system but it's local so you have to be within like 20 feet or so of the other user in order for it to work but you could like text to each other draw little pictures but there were no ads on it so it's for talking shit about teachers essentially exactly it was perfect for using in the back seat of a car even right right

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And Roald Dahl was just censored and then uncensored. Briefly censored. I mean, I guess they are releasing the books that have been censored. But the news that a publisher is making changes to his books, such as taking the word fat out of stories like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, drew criticism from such stalwarts of the people like UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak. Salman Rushdie jumped in, but Queen Consort Camilla also.

Ooh, nobody asked you. Yeah. Sorry. But I don't know. It's just generally, like in theory, it's pretty dumb to decry changes made to the work of Roald Dahl when the version we're familiar with have been changed. Like the Oompa Loompas of Willy Wonka's factory were originally slaves from, quote, the very deepest and of african jungle where no white man had been before and then yeah during his lifetime people were like that's pretty racist right it's it's also kind of wild like that so that the story like talks about that and then it's like in

his novel from 1983 the witches he's so for some reason I was like, oh, this is all happening in the 1800s or something. But no, he was pretty contemporary. And The Witches' point is that he was like openly anti-Semitic. I think like near the end of his life was like, I used to be anti-Israel and now I'm just like generally anti-Semitic is kind of my thing. Like that's not somebody describing him. That's him kind of talking about what, what his belief was.

And in the book, the witches tells the story of a group of quote, hook-nosed women who can literally print money and who liked to kidnap and murder innocent children which is a movie i grew up watching and didn't oh i remember yeah they just remade it with ann hathaway which people were like that's a wild choice miss hathaway yeah real talk i compared this to reading like an hp lovecraft which if you're a black person, you should be reading HP Lovecraft. Like, wow, cool.

Oh no, six chapters of racism. Like, what are we doing here? It's crazy. I still like the way he put words in orders. I think sometimes it's fun. Sometimes I picture Vincent Price's voice when I'd be reading an HP Lovecraft. And I think you could probably do similar things here.

Like I love James and the Giant Peach. Oh my God. So good. But then, you you know you learn cloud people and small foxes you know issues so yeah i i don't know what i think like trying to redo these things takes away the conversation in the same way they tried to remove the n-word from all of mark twain's books they were like it's offensive and children don't want to read it as a black kid in all

white school, hated reading that book out loud in class, especially because half the teachers were like, you have to say the N word, which was a lovely day for me. And the other half were like, we'll just try to skip it and move around, which is equally as awkward.

I think you have to create settings to let, you know, kids or whoever is reading these books, like, okay, this is the person their thoughts and beliefs are going to pop up in the book and we can examine those and have discussions around them without trying to erase what was popular because i think that's how we get into a lot of difficult

issues like i don't know why did we have a ride at disney for years that had racist ass cartoon characters on them it didn't make any sense but but people were like, it's a classic movie. It's not. It was just a movie that did really well in the 40s and then again in the 80s when racism was on the rise. So, you know, you gotta take all these things with a grain of salt and I think put them in their contextual history. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that it's like a lot of well, here's my greater thought. I don't think that people should make rules for other people in general you know chaos is what i'm about but secondly secondly i think that i think that in this case the smartest thing to do is just educate people like people should know because i think that i think that both things could exist for instance they're in the public domain people can actually do whatever they want with them right now that's that's just the rules

you can do whatever you want with public domain material they can rewrite it in any way they want to but if they do i think they should just label it that is rewritten or redacted or whatever and because there's value in the original text because the original text is a snapshot of a time and a place that the world was in. So I think it should always exist. But also, you know, I don't have to have the N-word to enjoy a book. Like, it doesn't have to be there. It's not like I'm like, if it doesn't have the N-word, I won't get anything. Like, come on.

Like, it just but but then but then just like it's fine i don't know it's fine like i i think that if something's in the public domain then you can just adjust it but then just label it just so people know like there is a children's version of the bible okay so like the bible uh is a public domain and there's a children's version nobody has a problem with that because you're just trying to communicate to the children because they couldn't take the text of the Bible. Are there some things that people said in the past maybe that was OK to put in books that maybe kids shouldn't see? Maybe. But I'm also not going to say that like I'm not going to say that like i'm not going to tell everybody what they must do i'm just telling people that i i would rather give people a solution which is what

i'm trying to do right now this is a solution label it yeah yeah the and like the thing that they did in response to this uproar was announced that they would also release the rolled doll classics collection which will have the author's original text. Oh, I didn't read that. So, but no, but I mean, that's something like they're acting like they're doing this other idea. And it's like, no, you were probably already going to like do that. Selling extra books. This is where it gets weird, though, right?

Because while I agree, Victor, people should be allowed to do what they want to do, trying to put up rules and force people to do what you want to do or believe how you want to believe. It's just going to cause mess. However, if we look at the closing of Magic Mountain, right? I had characters from a movie. I'm totally coming up blank on the name of that movie now. Song of the South.

Thank you. Oh, I just wanted to tell you that I'm a huge H.P. Lovecraft fan too. That's all. Yeah, because the man knew how to put a word next to another word that made a great sentence i'm sorry he just did yes um great but yeah so so song of the south was essentially about like black people were happy to be slaves and a formerly enslaved black person telling this story to a white child and sometimes he did that with animated characters those characters ended up on this ride so now that becomes like a beacon for racists they're like oh this ride represents me and i love it and it feels good here to like come in and that's why

you had like very long lines of people trying to collect the water from that ride as it was being shut down which was mind-boggling to me you had a bunch of people of color who are disney fanatics being like so i can't go anywhere near that ride until it was being shut down which was mind-boggling to me you had a bunch of people of color who are disney fanatics being like so i can't go anywhere near that ride until it's officially closed down because people are being weird about it i think when you get so now if i go into someone's house and i see the classic collection am i like is this is this you clinging to your racism is this you really liking the books and enjoying them i certainly have a classic hp love i just think it becomes like a very weird sticky situation which i guess the end result of that is like learn who you're talking to get what they're about but yeah but it is it just it's still symbolically it gets

weird for me well i agree with that too some because i think that song of the south there's some things that are just like over a certain line and everybody kind of knows it. Song of the South is one of those things that are like, you know, we don't need that anymore. Like, you don't. When it came out, the NAACP was like, this is ridiculous. Please don't release this movie. Oh my gosh.

Everybody's like, we're still doing it. Because the world is the world. Yeah. Yeah, and they made more money when it was re-released in the 80s. Disney was like, we're still doing it. Because the world is the world. Yeah. Yeah, and they made more money when it was re-released in the 80s. Disney was like, not on VHS, because that would be weird, but we'll do a theatrical release because it's a classic and people enjoyed it. And Ronald Reagan's 80s were like, yeah,

we will break the box office record of this movie for sure. It'll be fun. So, yeah, I don't know. Read what you want, I guess, with the results of this. I mean, I hear you 100%. Like, I even, I write specifically about racism a lot. Like, I think about it all the time. As a Black person with albinism, I have been around white people when they didn't know someone Black is around.

And so I've seen the truth close up. So I think that we don't need anything to fuel racism in America anymore. Like, I would get rid of all of it if I could, but I don't make the choices for everybody. Right. Very difficult. Yeah. Is Shamrock Shake racist, Jack? That's a great

question. It is not. It is coming back. Has anyone had the shamrock shake besides me?

Not recently. As a kid, I always remember being like, it's shamrock shake time. Yeah, motherfuckers.

I really thought I was tasting something different and then I learned it's just a vanilla shake with green colored food dye in it, right, like, it's just a vanilla shake with green colored food dye in it, right? No, it has peppermint extract.

Okay, alright, so it's a little different. Okay, okay. Yeah, you know. It's coming back, baby. I clocked by time passage by, like, what McDonald's was dropping. Like, oh, the McRib, which is bad. Like, good for those guys. People are really going to be happy. It's Lent, so people got their fish sandwich

I know they're happy about that artificial scarcity Irish Catholics are happy we've got the shamrock shake and the fish sandwiches for Lent so they're okay I think the people that are most openly stereotyped and mocked

are Italians especially because Marioio exists uh yeah because like everybody everybody else we're trying to protect like how we depict but but for italian people they just have to put up hey it's me mario like and then chris pratt does like a more grounded human impression and we're like what is this bullshit I gave him a flat ass and no Italian dialect what am I working with here

Mario has a terrible character the flat ass is the most it was really egregious they did not have to do that to us okay he had a bubble butt and we liked it that way yeah so yeah I mean it's just a green milkshake injected with mint flavoring it's back for st patrick's day season some people love it i actually don't mind it i reminds me of like the mint chocolate chip ice cream which i've always liked as a kid

you know so like i have that as a baseline i think a lot of people are like why does this taste like toothpaste so if you're not like a mint person and like your only real encounter with mint is toothpaste, I get it. Other people describe the taste as mega ass is one description. Mega ass? Mega ass. I've never heard that. A-S-S. Mega ass.

A-S-S. I have never heard it before, but I get it. Yeah. This tweet from Seb, big red shirt too, tweeted, never trusting white people to tell me what tastes good again because the shamrock shake tasted mega ass. Okay. That's, I mean, well put.

If you want to go for a mint chocolate chip vibe, though, they have chocolate sauce i think you could just ask them to blend it in right that might mask the mint rachel's on another level here i know we're really elevating what can be done i keep a bottle of hershey's syrup in my purse like you know just we can do better jack We can do better, Jack. We can do better. Terrible. Oh, no. Hershey's is... Chalky-ass grossness. Mm-mm. Hershey's syrup is not chalky. It is...

It's more sugar than anything. Like, there's not... I actually make my own chocolate. Some people do that. It's kind of your butt. But whatever. Hey, hey. Some people call it pooping.

Watch out now. So, anyways, Dairy Queen has gotten into the game. St. Patrick's Day frozen dessert. It's called Under the Rainbow Shake. It's pretty! It is. It's really beautiful. So they're bringing back the Mint Brownie Blizzard, but then they've also got the Under the Rainbow Shake,

which is pink with sprinkles and very pretty. They missed out on a collaboration with Lucky Charms. They could have done Lucky Charms charms but then i don't know i guess it does speaking of chalky i don't know i i feel like the the lucky charms marshmallows are a bit chalky like i i don't know that i want that in my i wouldn't but you know children and stoners would and that is i think it's who they're really selling to i think i have a couple of thoughts about the shake okay under the rainbow is not where the leprechaun lives no it's the end of the end of the rainbow it should be called the end of the rainbow shake and nobody yeah you could even possibly go over

the rainbow and lean into your wizard of o heritage. It's a magical place over the rainbow, but under the rainbow is where the rain is and not where I want to eat my ice cream. So that's a problem. Yeah. So anyways, I'm just glad we're honoring St. Patrick's Day with thoughtful treats. This one is much better looking. I will say it's a, it's a beautiful, colorful mess that I can get on board with. I just, I mean, I love ice cream, so I'm just freaking out about talking about ice cream.

It makes me want to go get an ice cream. Yeah. I was just looking at gelato. I'm not even going to lie. I can't do ice cream anymore, but sometimes I can swing a gelato, you know? What's the difference between gelato and ice cream? Gelato has more air. A little less dairy in your gelato than in your ice cream.

Got it. And if you go to a good gelato place, they're going to have really good, like, fresh ingredients. So when you eat it, you feel superior. I don't know if it's any better for you, but you definitely feel better about it. Like, God, this mango sorbet? Gosh. Wow. Delicious. I think you're going to celebrate St. Patrick's Day, this mango sorbet? Gosh. Wow. Delicious.

I think you're going to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. You need to do it like your ancestors would. Get a potato. Make some soup. I would recommend a lemon potato leek soup. It's very tasty. Super delicious. It's cold in California. Do I want to make a potato leek soup? I might. Listen, they were not eating this

ice cream, so. Oh, a potato leek soup sticks to your ribs it's so good I think my ancestors would just get drunk would be how if I wanted to honor it the way they did but it's also fair get a dark Guinness let's do this yeah just a

meal loaf of bread well Victor Rachel it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you guys, follow you guys, all that good stuff? Awesome. You can check us out at wikilisten.com. By the way, if you

guys want to pick an episode, you can. So, if you guys here at the Daily Zeitgeist, if you two want to pick an episode, we will dedicate it to you. Also, our episode today is about Cracked, and you're in it. We talked about you a little bit in it. It's the How Stuff Works article.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's the How Stuff Works article. Oh! My bad. It's the How Stuff Works article. Yes, and it details every show that's part of How Stuff Works, including this show, The Daily Zeitgeist. The company tea. Yes.

Amazing. works including this show the daily zeitgeist the company yeah amazing and if anybody wants to request an episode we do episodes all the time by uh audience requests so if anybody has a favorite wikipedia page that they want us to read we'll do it yeah it's an anastasia yet no no oh my god it's a great wikipedia page okay we'll put it in the request it's happening Anastasia the princess from Russia does it include all the people who impersonated yes it does lots of the fakes a lot of like crazy theories it's a good one

that's great I can't wait nice Rasputin spinoff if you happen to tumble down that page too do you guys have a favorite Wikipedia page? That's a good question. We sure do. We each have separate different pages.

Yeah, so Rachel, what's yours? My favorite Wikipedia page is Toilet Paper Orientation, and it talks about whether toilet paper is supposed to be over or under. In fact, the correct answer is over. Yes, it is, obviously it is in this household i'll tell you what that's one of those things that it's like that circumcision like just things that like you just put that like a sentence about that on any forum and it's going to break the, yeah, ruin people's days. Victor, what's your favorite?

My favorite is the page for Dancing Mania. So Dancing Mania is, oh, you know what that is? Yeah, it's like when people get caught up in a thing, but they don't really know what that thing is and then they can't stop dancing, right? Yeah, they can't stop dancing. People start dancing and they just can't stop. And it's contagious. Yeah. and some people dance to death in mainland europe right yeah that's what yeah it's people who start dance stop yeah start dancing and just don't

stop too many times can't stop won't stop wow amazing all right well thank you guys so much for doing that thanks for thanks for doing a on How Stuff Works. Yeah, and thank you so much for having us. I couldn't think of a better way to spend my half-birthday than being on the Daily Zeitgeist. Happy half-birthday! Yay, happy half-birthday, Rachel. It's the 27th?

My 27th birthday? No, I'm 25. No, the day is... Is it the 24th? The 27th? Oh, yeah, yeah. It is the 24th, but we're pretending that my half-birth is it the 24th? The 27th? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it is the 24th, but we're pretending that my half birthday is the 27th. That's right. I love it. Okay.

That's great. A lot of great birthdays around here. My four, soon to be five-year-old's birthday is yesterday. Tell him to stop growing. I know. What is happening? He's five? I know.

Can you believe it? Sweet baby. is there a tweet or work of media that you guys have been enjoying yes yeah just this morning or actually well just friday morning just friday morning elon musk tweeted out a video of joean interviewing him about his OnlyFans page that he started. I'm dying. That he started. Do you see this? So many things happened in that sentence. What?

His OnlyFans page that he started while Tesla was, the stock was down. So he says he starts an OnlyFans page to show off nudes to make extra money this is all i think made by like i mean i'm i'm pretty sure made by ai but but he tweeted it out there's more and it's crazy it's yes it's so funny yes and it yeah it's joe rogan elon musk and jordan peters peterson all talking about being on OnlyFans and showing their nipples and penises. Elon Musk tweeted it out, and it's there. There you go. It's crazy.

That block is holding strong because it has not crossed my Twitter line. Oh, well, there you go. I understand, but it's a funny, it's crazy. I believe it. That Elon Musk himself tweeted that out. What is i understand but it's a funny it's crazy that elon musk himself tweeted that out what is going on he's a wild one it's crazy i'm sorry rachel i cut you off that's okay that's okay yeah i um some ear bleach after having to listen to that i have really been in love with the wikipedia page for meow recently just meow just meow okay

like they're giving you the whys and the hows and what it means when your kitty's meowing at you yeah yeah it's all about it breaks down when the kittens go from you to meow it talks about the different tonages there's lots of cute cat pics on there it's really good stuff that's the craziest thing about reading wikipedia pages about normal things sometimes it's just that they go so deep it's crazy yeah it's pretty nuts yeah that was a really interesting like in the wild cats don't actually usually vocalize but like after a certain age because it's just a way to communicate like feed me to the mom but when they're in when they're like owned and cohabitating with a human that's when they meow because they're like these dumb motherfuckers it's true yeah oh yeah i have a cat

i have one cat that's very talkative and one cat that only talks when there's trouble when there's a problem he's like where's the food? That one cat who just says you've ignored us too long, but the other cat is like all the time. It's very weird. Joelle, where can people find you? What is a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying?

Y'all know me. You can find me all over the internet at Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E M-O-N-I-Q-U-E something I've been loving on the internet okay tiktok has a new ai filter that makes you look like your teenage self and gen xers are having a time and it's really weird uh and cool but also sad but it's okay so basically people are doing the filter with a split screen so you can see their current self and their teenage self but what's interesting about it is it's not to certainly focus on like the filter and like oh look how like young and hot i am it's like

oh now i'm talking to my inner child and people are crying being like look at how beautiful i was i really like i didn't treat myself well or just feeling like I've aged so much this is weird and what does that mean my favorite one is a mom bringing her teenage daughter into it so they can see what they would have looked like as teenagers together oh it's cute and heartfelt but then scary I didn't see any black people on it for so long I was like because black don't crack and we're good. But then I saw them and they were crying too. And I was like, well,

we're all by age. It's going to happen eventually, but it's really lovely. Somebody collected them on Twitter. Memo act 10, a K T T E N. If you want to check out a collection of them, but you can also just go to AI art on Tik TOK and find it under that

hashtag as well. It's really, It's really it's wild stuff. See people in their 60s looking at their teenage selves. And it's accurate. Like people are like, that is what I look like. It depends. So there's this one girl, I don't know what her ethnicity was, but she was browner. And she was like, yeah, so when when i was a teenager i had a unibrow and a nose job after i was a teenager and so i was much uglier than what this perception is so if you have aged naturally most people are saying it's pretty accurate description of what they looked like as a teenager there you go um you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien tweet i've been enjoying. Abby Norman tweeted,

my husband gives people the thumbs down instead of flicking them off from the car. He reports that the thumbs down makes people even more mad. I do love a good thumbs down. That's great. I love to do that. I often give people an in-public boo. Like if they do something bad,

I'll be like, I'm booing you in real life. Boo. Boo. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes! Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.

Super producer Justin, what song do we think people might enjoy? Well, since it's been pretty rainy here in the L.A. area, I figured I'd suggest a song. It's a bit melancholic and it kind of fits the vibe. This is a song called Pergogesic. I think that's some kind of pain reliever I'm not familiar with. This is an R&B artist called Gallant. I think he won a Grammy a few years back. Really, really underrated artist. This is fantastic music. Great falsetto on this voice. And then like a

minute left in the song, it goes into this really cool breakbeat kind of inspired vibe. It's amazing. So check this out. This is a song called Pergogesic by Gallant, G-A-L-L-A-N-T. And you can find that song in the footnotes. Footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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