The Daily Zeitgeist - Simping 4 Billionaires, Gender BEERnary 04.14.23

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

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Starting point is 00:02:08 It's also National Ex-Spouse Day. Shout out to your exes. National Gardening Day. Look up at the sky day. Dolphin Day. National Pan-American Day. I mean, there's so many. There's too many to even list right now.
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Starting point is 00:02:32 and just say, I don't care. I don't care. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. If you don't know Harlan Crow, you will never, never have cocktails at his house and if you don't own mine comp wow you will never know what a can of pay is at his house uh that is all courtesy of fighter of the
Starting point is 00:03:01 night man he had a whole verse but it's a little it's a little slow a little out of my range but it was beautiful work fighter of the night man on the discord shout out to you and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray i'm gonna try and improvise a song right now and just bear with me but um blood drops on roses and Hitler stashes on kittens. Bright copper kettles and SS mittens. Brown paper uniforms like the Gestapo. These are a few of Harlan's favorite things. Okay, you know, I tried. I tried.
Starting point is 00:03:39 I was thinking about that earlier and I couldn't improvise it. But you know what? I forgot to actually attribute yesterday's me and Mrs. Jones, aka, that was from Hercule Pierogi on the Discord. I respect Hercule because my mom was a real big Poirot fan.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And for the longest time, that was the only thing on my TV. Hercule Poirot. I'm going to take classes to learn how to say that. Just that phrase. Hey, Hercule. Hey, Poercule. That name. Hercule. Hey, Hercule.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Hey, Poirot. Hey, Poirot. All right. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our faves, a brilliant anti-racism educator, activist, writer, creator of the acclaimed podcast, White Homework. It's Tori Williams-Douglas! All right! Thank you guys so much for having me back i'm so excited to be here always good to have you i've missed you miles you had a child yeah and i was just asking y'all before i'm like how when to self let baby
Starting point is 00:04:38 self-soothe because i'm i'm rich look zeitgang i'll let y'all know we're trying to sleep train we got 11 hours the night before and we're like, oh shit, we're doing it. Then we went back to about, look, and people are going to be like, hey, asshole. The fact, because I said, and then he only did seven hours and 50 minutes the other night. I know that is good. And I'm trying to just build here. Yeah, that's amazing. But then a lot of these books are like, you got to let him cry.
Starting point is 00:05:00 That's the only way they're going to self-soothe through the night. And he doesn't really do that. It's the only way they're going to learn about the cold realities of night and he doesn't really do that they're going to learn about the cold realities of life yeah i mean he's black japanese and jewish he's already have a fucked up life you know what i mean so like i'm trying to just make at least this part easy yeah no i'm always concerned like will i spoil him no he already did his time it's in the the ancestors got got it got him covered it's fine right like don't don't don't worry about that shit yeah my kids are amazing sleepers i did not do cry it out and they woke up about every two hours right forever yeah for like years right yeah we had a we had a lot of we had a lot
Starting point is 00:05:37 of sleep struggles and uh they are incredible sleepers now so oh yeah okay there's there's that anecdote i don't know i don't know i mean jack did but yeah jack what'd you do we i mean i i forget like my wife will be like you you remember how how bad it was with him right with our seconds and i'm like i don't remember much of that i'll go back and look at videos of that i took of me like playing with them and just have no recollection it was like the the sleep deprivation oh i don't i don't think the second i don't think we learned enough from the first one for the second one to be smooth sailing so i don't i wouldn't listen to anything that i said but also it was also different different yeah you also have that like evolutionary neuralyzer thing
Starting point is 00:06:26 where it's like, you forgot all the bad shit to keep the human race going. Mine was in full effect. Right, right, right. I mean,
Starting point is 00:06:31 I remember, I mean, I remember your second was born when this show, when we were doing this show. Yeah. And I could definitely, I remember we could chart
Starting point is 00:06:38 the levels of tired in that first 18 months for sure. Yeah. That you would like modulate between. Oh. Missing words,
Starting point is 00:06:47 missing entire sentences. This is like your baby demon child, right? Who comes and pounds on your door and is like, let me in, you monsters. He's such a sweet kid and so wonderful during waking hours. But he has... He's got a demon when it's
Starting point is 00:07:03 sleep time. He just wants to be cuddled. He's at an age where it's like, we're like, he can't be sleeping in our bed every night. And so we just trained that out of him. But, you know, sometimes I'll lay next to them to let them get to sleep. And he will put his foot on me like a burglar alarm.
Starting point is 00:07:24 So that like, if I start moving, he will wake up. He's like, he knows. He jumps. Yeah. He's like, where are you going? What's up? Where are you going? I'm like, ugh.
Starting point is 00:07:32 He left us. He left us. Yeah. Like Jurassic Park. So, yeah. And then he will wake up the older one. Oh, no. The older one is a great sleeper at this point.
Starting point is 00:07:44 He's just been through the shit. Right. With the younger one that now he's just immune to it. It's like a fire alarm beep that's just completely block it out. He blocked it out, yeah. Yeah. That's real. I have not, though. He's doing great. He's doing great.
Starting point is 00:08:01 In my experience, it just gets better and better parenting i don't know maybe not when they're teenagers but it really just gets more and more fun in my experience so yeah yeah i mean now that i i'm even getting like smiles that i can connect to something i did i'm like it's a whole new day i fucking rapped the first maybe five tracks of the clips album lord willing to him yesterday when album, Lord Willin, to him. Yesterday when I was making food. I just put him in the chair and I'm just like, rap was as talking to me as if. What?
Starting point is 00:08:32 You said he's a fan of your rapping. He loves rapping. He loves that. I think it's just like I'm a very facially expressive person. So that it doesn't matter what I'm saying. And I'm like, did you hear me kill that whole big pun verse in Twins? I was like, did you know artists go dead in the middle of little literally little did we know that we riddled the middle man who didn't do diddly and he's like it's like hell yeah dad bring it oh he falls out the high chair oh shit puts his hand on Her Majesty's shoulder. He's like, real fucking hip hop over here.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Amazing. All right. Well, Tori, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners some of the important things we're talking about. Big news. New beer for assholes just dropped. Oh, good. Ultra right.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Ultra right beer. The commercial has been making the rounds. It's like the Dollar Shave Club, but racism. It seems to be what he was going for. Tim Scott is running for president. Oh, Tim. I've put together the few details I can glean about that. The latest Harlan Crow defense, the Atlantic article by the Harvard grad.
Starting point is 00:09:48 These are the few details I can glean without subscribing to the Atlantic. So we'll talk about that. All of that, plenty more. But first, Tori, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Let's see. our guest, what is something from your search history? Let's see. So I have been like on this tear on Instagram the past like week or so talking about poverty and like the impacts of poverty.
Starting point is 00:10:11 So I've been doing all this Google searching slash PubMed situation about impacts of poverty on like your nervous system and your ability to self-regulate because it's not good. and your ability to self-regulate because it's not good and um i i keep hearing people say and like obviously this is just like right-wing talking points but it's like oh god like if they would just stop being so fucking stupid and reckless and like irrational then they wouldn't be poor and it's like they can get it together they're right exactly exactly it's like no that that's how they're acting because they're in poverty like your nervous system doesn't cope well with constant ongoing stress trying to figure out like do i buy bus fare home or do i buy lunch like or is this the day i get shot and killed exactly
Starting point is 00:10:58 exactly a stat like that especially with black and brown communities, like the number of people who like actually fear for their life ending in gun violence, like on a daily basis is an obscenely high number compared to like white people in America. Yeah. And it's like, try living with that on your fucking mind. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Laws might change, I think. If they have to live with that. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:22 But we even saw, right, Like even with like Rick Scott, who's like a Senator, he's like, my friend died in the Louisville bank shooting. Oh my God. I have nothing to say about gun control. And it's like, what for what?
Starting point is 00:11:35 Why did you even bring that up? He wants people to feel sad. I know we were talking about that on the trending episode. We're like, what kind of weird points do you think you score by being, by saying like, I have a personal connection to this and that's why i will still do fuck all about the situation that's how much i love the second amendment i think is the oh my god right like
Starting point is 00:11:54 i don't the realist of them all i'm the realist patriot of them all my friend just got marked and i'm still good up here you hear that nra did you hear that okay Okay, yeah. Still make him out to Senator Rick Scott for the election campaign. Thank you. That's right. What is something you think is overrated, Tori? I think policing people's joy is really overrated. I think that, yeah, trying to get people to be some sort of a way about the things that they enjoy, things that don't hurt other people and like don't cause harm to
Starting point is 00:12:26 the community i'm just like why i don't i don't get it i love seeing like i love seeing like kids after school like messing around with each other as they're like walking like i just love seeing people have fun and and like you know we're walking past the park and there's like all of these elders hanging out and like they're playing cards or whatever like i love that shit and it's really interesting to me how many people get upset seeing especially people of color experiencing any kind of joy at all like it's just it's just like emotionally upsetting to a lot of white people that specifically but then it's like it's the same thing with like gender expression right it's like well you have to use it's like there's two there's two genders and it's like well but who fucking cares like who cares yeah like why is this taking up is that your emotional energy right how do you feel well like i'm i'm this or that okay do you
Starting point is 00:13:16 right exactly exactly like why are you putting it on everybody else to be like like just you're stressing yourself out for no reason by trying to like make little kids look like you have to look like a boy you have to look like a girl there's like no in between like why would you why are you expending emotional energy on that shit like just yeah go live your life when i was a kid i thought i was a fucking spider you know what i mean like just let the kids fucking like that. Do you just fucking do you? That's it's a very hard thing. I wish I wish that was in the Bible.
Starting point is 00:13:49 I know. I mean, they would probably find a way to be like, I think he said, do you like to groom children? Is what he was trying to. That was a sentence Jesus was trying to actually finish because I know like it. Please just let people do their thing. Yeah. Policing. Did you see something recently that
Starting point is 00:14:05 like made you feel that way uh i mean mostly it's like the anti-trans bills and just the idea of like everything has to be this cishet whatever heteronormative relationships and like they're literally trying to make that the law yeah no seriously like why this doesn't this literally doesn't affect you and they're like no being trans is contagious like if we let kids be trans in school then like my kid's gonna catch it it's like right is that literally not how it works uh well that's what my dad always said and i've never bothered to examine that so i'm just gonna keep perpetuating that yeah yeah so that was that was really what has been driving that for me also like microdosing stuff like that i'm like if somebody's being safe like who fucking cares if they're having a good time like one night or one weekend with their friends like yeah you're
Starting point is 00:14:55 seeing people like a microdosing backlash um i mean well okay so oregon decriminalized everything right which is really fucking cool. And then everybody was like, ah, crime is skyrocketing. Like there's all these homeless people and whatever. I'm like, there's no correlation here. There was no correlation here at all, right? Yeah, it's not because of the unaffordable housing.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Yeah, it's because of the mushrooms. It's because of the mushrooms. And so, yeah, i've been seeing some of that the other thing is like they're they're people have been doing these like street races in portland which is not i understand it's like not safe but i'm like i'm trying to be like well give them a place to do it like just block off an intersection or whatever the fuck they want somewhere right and just like they're a racetrack you can give them there is a fucking racetrack here like give them some space to like blow off steam like that's really important and and literally goes
Starting point is 00:15:50 back to this idea of like poverty and self-regulation like if people don't have the space to blow off steam they are gonna do bad shit so just like let them do something that is not going to hurt anyone in a space where they're not going to cause more harm and like, like get over yourself. Right. Or it's like the same. I see that all the time with like in Philly or Baltimore, like, especially with kids on like ATVs and dirt bikes and stuff, like in the street, just doing their thing, you know, having fun. And they're like, they're doing wheelies everywhere. And a lot of the people in the community are like, well, they need a space. This is what they like to do. And this is the space we have. Yeah. And we live here.
Starting point is 00:16:26 So is there another place they can do that? Because the alternative is them to really be doing some other shit that is probably not great. If they want to blow steam off by being on a bike or whatever, let's figure out a way to embrace that for people. And I get that, like, again, narrowly, right? It could be the danger that it presents on, like, a crowded street or whatever. So if that's the case, don't just try and be like be like well y'all not doing that ever again right you know just figure out how to redirect that energy in a way that makes sense but yet to your point it's not always where they're like well i don't understand that so it's illegal yeah yeah and it's but it's just it's really interesting because it's like don't have sex
Starting point is 00:17:02 don't do drugs don't drink and i'm not saying that like kids should be drinking or having sex or doing drugs i'm not saying that but there's like don't have fun like every we're just gonna make everything illegal and then all of a sudden like sweet we have this whole population of workers who we get to control now i guess because everything is illegal also based on movies about the 1950s which is the period that they're supposed to like, I feel like drag racing in the L.A. River Basin was like one of two things that people did. One of our great pastimes. It was that and singing doo-wop around a trash can fire. Those were the only two things that you were allowed to do.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Oh, man. But that brings up a really good point like cruising is illegal yeah right there's nowhere you can do that and it's just like okay you just really don't want people to exist like you want them to be as miserable as possible or show their pride off in their rides you know what i mean because crenshaw like in la that used to be the fucking spot like on sundays and now the fuck like you know we saw it change all the time like no fucking cruising ever right yeah and those are like i remember going with like my family to go see like oh look at these cars and shit and yeah there might be some unsavory figures there but at most of the time people respected the fact that everybody was there
Starting point is 00:18:20 wanting to show off their rides and have community or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But community is not profitable. Community is not profitable. Right. Community is not profitable. Loneliness is profitable. Because especially now with phones, that is the one complaint about phones that I think is accurate is that it's given them a new way to monetize loneliness.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Right. it's given them a new way to monetize loneliness right and i guess it goes to like you know i guess it's kind of like a third like the discussion of like third places or whatever you know like we have those social environments or at the very least like now i feel like in america the only place you can congregate is somewhere that is tied to commerce yeah yeah you know what i mean like we don't necessarily have this like we don't have the same park system, or at least not in LA. There's a lot of places where it's not as easy to just hang out somewhere unless you are there to spend money for a specific reason. Right. What is something, Tori, that you think is underrated?
Starting point is 00:19:18 I think kids are underrated. Not having kids. Having kids is not... I really don't like it when people are like, oh, you got to have kids or you're going to be unfulfilled or you're you're just gonna be really lonely or who's gonna take care of you when you're old like i'm not here for any of that bullshit i just mean like kids is like a genre of humans are really fucking cool and i wish that like more people understood you know like just even the basics of like human brain development because it's like once you get that it's like oh like this is this is a whole ass person here and like everything that i can do to like invest in them as a as a person just even just in like conversation and hanging out and like interacting that like all that stuff
Starting point is 00:19:55 matters right because it actually isn't that hard to support kids and data shows like having one adult that you feel like is in your corner makes all of the difference when you're growing up, you know? And like that, that carries over into adulthood. And so, yeah, I mean, I just think kids as people are underrated. Again, this is not like go make babies, you know, but if somebody if somebody has a baby and like wants me to babysit miles, I totally will. Come down. Come down. Yeah I totally will. For free. Yeah, come down. Come down.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah, come through. Come through. Plenty of babies and kids. I mean, next week, the Geist Child will be in the studio. So hold on to your lust for those episodes. Because, yeah, Her Majesty at work. My mom is in Japan. And I was saying, I was like, I could maybe find childcare.
Starting point is 00:20:43 But I really want to embrace trying to be a parent and a podcaster. You got to start their social profile, too. You got to make sure that they start getting their voice out there. Exactly. So you will hear little coos in the background. And I just want to warn y'all listeners for next week. Please don't be bothered by that because, again, kids are dope. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah. Start listening to Are You That Somebody so that you can, like, kind of get used to the sound that you're going to be hearing next year. Like a hawk in the sky. And you are my prey. Kids are, yeah,
Starting point is 00:21:19 kids are truly the best. My son asked me this morning how he gets ideas in his head that nobody told him hell yeah that is such an interesting way to just like articulate that yeah he was like because like sometimes i just like make up stuff at school like i got i was telling people that the color blue is darker than the color green and i was like i don't know that that's true but yeah why not broadly but i'm sure like on a color wheel they're like i mean there there is more black and blue i don't know whatever but isn't it isn't it a primary but i
Starting point is 00:21:57 don't even know i was like that's called creativity yeah like yeah yeah but that's not what i'm looking for that's not the answer he was looking for oh he wanted like some kind of greek thing about genius and like he's like well the greeks you should say someone had a genius rather than someone who was a genius and that in fact they would be visited by this other entity that would give them ideas is that what made you like that you have a genius yeah that's probably more what he was looking for right really into the greeks yeah that is actually an obsession that kids go through or that some kids have. It's in the category of sharks, dinosaurs, Greek mythology. That's the one I'm most interested in or most surprised by.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Blow his mind with all the shit I read freshman year of college. Just hit him with those facts now. Hit him with some Alan Watts type shit too. Do you think we're special on this? David Hume would say that you don't have any ideas. It's called empiricism. Here, sit down for
Starting point is 00:22:55 45 minutes. My dad would always hit me with shit like that so I was a very weird kid early on in school and teachers were like, why are you saying that to the other kids? I'm like, why did you bring a condom to school i'm like because i went to the aids walk and they were handing them out oh my god that's amazing that's and my dad wasn't gonna like you know try and sugarcoat anything very much explained like the aids epidemic to me and what condoms were and i was in kindergarten i remember and then i went to school and I talked about it and they got so mad.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Totally. They're like, what are you doing? And they were like, what are you telling your son? And my dad was like, about the world? The truth?
Starting point is 00:23:32 What's happening? About the communities that he interacts with and to know about that and that shouldn't be something obscured. Yeah, anyway. My kid wants to do
Starting point is 00:23:41 a Greek mythology Lego set. Or he wants Lego to make a Lego set that is all the Greek gods. Yeah, they should. They're fucking up by not having that. That's what he's advocating for right now. Okay. Hey, Lego, you heard us.
Starting point is 00:23:58 You cowards over in Denmark. Do the right thing. Tired of this Danish supremacy, man. But I do think that's one of those things that is i think we put a call out like early on for listeners to like tell us what their weird obsession was when we were a kid mine was sharks and miles what was yours you had you had a bunch of them i feel like i had dinosaurs the civil war yeah but greek mythology was the one that like surprised you know my kid was like trains and then sharks and fish and uh now star wars but like a bunch of people hit us with the oh it was actually greek mythology i was obsessed my child was a napoleon bonaparte for like over
Starting point is 00:24:41 a year that's so so interesting. Napoleon everything. And like my partner tries to like kind of be like, well, you know, Napoleon was technically like a dictator. And he's like, no, he was just a populist. And he decided to take over things. And they're having this conversation. Like what is happening right now? He's like, yeah. Can you take me?
Starting point is 00:25:03 I gotta take a trip to the Garden of Evil. You know, I think he'd be. Yeah. No. Yeah. Right. Damn it.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Hang out with Harlan, dude. Or he's like, mother, can you take me to Corsica? Yeah. Literally. No,
Starting point is 00:25:16 he's like, he's like, if I, he's like, if I become a, he's like, if I become a Swiss politician, do you think that I could get into the UN and like,
Starting point is 00:25:24 take over Western Europe? I'm like, what is your child? Sir. Yeah, sure. Why not? Do it. Do it. He's practicing French on Duolingo every single day.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Wow. He's got a 100-day streak. He's committed to this. To becoming Napoleon. Well, doing kind of a reverse colonization because he's like, I'm going to give all of the colonies back to all of the all the people oh and then i'm gonna take over europe i'm like someone's gonna do it yeah i'm like okay i can't really argue with this logic child he's i'm ready for that timeline do they have a napoleonic lego set like the napoleonic oh i don't think so i don't think so but you can you can submit ideas so they to lego's ideas and if you
Starting point is 00:26:05 get like 10 000 votes i think they'll like make the set wow yeah that's a smart that's a smart way to do it yeah i feel like yeah napoleon hollywood's been sitting on a napoleon movie forever like they you know kubrick was supposed to make a napoleon movie they they just keep putting it oh they keep kicking kicking the hand down the road huh okay yeah and then the greek myth thing i guess percy jackson was was that but i yeah but it was more but that's more of a kid's movie yeah yeah would a napoleon lego figure be smaller than the other level if it was historically accurate well my child would say that he actually wasn't that short for the time you can get it's like funny like on etsy people are selling like napoleon legos
Starting point is 00:26:54 like they're like hey we got custody we know you like that napoleon with your money right now can you send me that link so i can buy that for my kid i was already thinking i was like oh let me see if i can find something for your kid i'm in dad mode y'all etsy's great if you if you have the time to like wait for you know a little longer but like that's where my wife got a great spider-man halloween costume on etsy like they will they will customize things. There's some great artists on there doing good work.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Oh, I love this. This is amazing. Thank you, Miles. I'm always looking out for the children. DZ is for the children, as they say. Well, The Right has a new Etsy project coming to us that we'll talk about. It's a new beer just for assholes. When you said that, I thought you meant
Starting point is 00:27:47 for you to boof. Beer for your asshole. I was like, what? I was like, oh, right. This story. No, no. No other thing. You know, Brett would be into that. Brett. Yeah, dude. Be chugging, dude. Be chugging. All right. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Forgive me for I have followed.
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Starting point is 00:31:08 Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Seth Weathers is a name that I now know that I didn't know before. I wish I didn't have to know. So this is a GOP strategist. I don't know how official that designation is. Conservative dad Seth Weathers just launched a beer specifically marketed to transphobes dubbed Ultra Right Beer. And he claims it's a beer that hasn't been infected by the woke mind virus.
Starting point is 00:31:44 It starts out with Weathers complaining about trans people using public restrooms, and then it cuts to him exiting the men's room. Yeah, just listen to this, because this whole thing's like, I make beer for people that know what bathroom they use. Like, really? Yeah. That's the hook point? Just listen to this absolute drivel from Seth Meyers or whatever.
Starting point is 00:32:06 That's why I created Conservative Dad's Ultra Right 100% Woke Free Beer. As conservatives, we're constantly getting hit in the face, left and right, by the woke mind virus. Oh, he caught the baseball that came at him. Watch this, bro. If you know which bathroom to use, you know what beer you should be drinking. Stop giving money to woke corporations that hate our values. Look at this swing. And to the rest of you woke corporations, stay the f*** away from our kids.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Okay. Anyway, so if you're really angry at aluminum cans, you like to wear backwards trucker hats and you haven't seen your kids in six years. I think this is the beer for you. Yeah, he smashes a can of Bud Light with a baseball bat on a tee, like a tee ball. You know, the most macho thing an adult man can do is play tee ball in a park that is completely empty. is play t-ball in a park that is completely empty again because he has alienated himself from regular society because he's so angry at a beer can because he knows what bathroom to use yeah sure sure sure these people know they're being grifted like they can't i just refuse to believe they're that stupid tori i don't know they being grifted. Let's pump the brakes on calling it a grift
Starting point is 00:33:25 because this beer, which no doubt tastes wonderful, they're charging $20 for a six-pack. It has a lower ABV than Smirnoff Ice. It has a lower ABV than Bud Light. It's basically water. So it's Utah beer. it's it's it's it's utah beer yeah it's like the right yeah okay that's only very technically beer because you're i mean i feel like the other like the hyper masculine attack would be like look at your a low abv beer you snowflake but again
Starting point is 00:34:02 whatever his operation he's doing to like make these beers very quickly uh it probably you're not able to be i guess take your pick of the litter of all the beers out there but yeah the 20 for a six pack is like not even i can't even i i have a feeling that this is just part of he's got something else he's gonna use this to like raise his stock in the fucking right wing outrageous sphere. You know, he's got lots of other things. He's got. Oh, he does.
Starting point is 00:34:29 That's what this dude does. He also sold a T-shirt with a QR code on it. It says, scan my vaccine passport. The T-shirt does. You scan the QR code and then it takes you to a website that is called freedom speaks up dot com. And it. Oh, no, sorry. That freedom speaks up dot com is where you can buy the.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Oh, don't tell people. And I'm guessing our audience is website on bring ammo dot com. That is just a picture, a photograph that he took of the U.S. Constitution. My vaccine passport finger pointing down to the U.S. Constitution. Then siren. I am not a sheep. Sirens on both sides of that word. The U.S. Constitution is the only document I will ever need to travel freely in the U.S. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Not true. Not true. Not true. Daddy sovereign. I love that. I don't need a driver's license, sir. My driver's license is the Constitution of the United States. Learn the difference between driving and traveling, okay?
Starting point is 00:35:41 That's what I'm going to tell you, officer. Where's your supervisor? Because I'm not driving. I'm traveling. Read the U.S. Constitution. Why are you breaking my window? Why are you dragging me out of the car? These fucking people, man.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I love, I mean, who, I really want to know what his, like, family situation is. Like, if you got this kind of time when you're like, you know what I'm going to do? I got my ultra-right beer that is going to maybe just get me sued or something like that these people god i feel like we like for how much we kind of stay on top of like the
Starting point is 00:36:13 outrage culture war stuff jack we should have been able to get ahead of this guy and started grifting already and being like oh yeah try this ultra like anti-woke beer and then fine print all the proceeds go to like the trevor like the trevor project you know what i mean yeah like that kind of thing and then these people have too much money the fact that like trump can raise just like millions of dollars because he starts crying for a minute after like having to go into a meeting yeah it's like this these people have too much money i just i fully support i would like i want to do i want to do the like full-blown grift the manga crowd them for the left you know what i mean like just literally you know like with a with you know i feel like i have a better marketing eye
Starting point is 00:36:59 than this fucking guy and you market something and then you just completely own them when they buy your shit you're like here's the alternative to nike bro and then you're like you just gave all your money to these candidates thank you so much okay but like nike's nike's like part of the fucking problem right like they use like black and brown people's athletic accomplishments and then like phil knight is just like laughing his way all the way to the rnc to like write a fucking check yeah it's not i mean you know but like i don't know it's like it's it's woke to have a trans model or something even though the dude's giving your money to the fucking republican party yeah it's never that's what's so funny is they're never like staying on top of where they stand on all the issues which is like you know we give our money to like a lot of these creeps that you love right we just do this to like appear like we're a like a sane company to the
Starting point is 00:37:49 public right uh well yeah the outreach continues the outrage i missed this story mostly like i'm it's mainly that bud light employed a trans yeah like tiktok influencer yeah and that that's it right that's it yeah yeah stay the fuck away from our kids we'll corporate so it's just that they would even market like with a trans person is yeah wow it's it's fine they take their kids to church every sunday not not nobody grooming anybody there the other thing is too like we we actually talked about this on one of the past episodes is like have you not seen bud lights like pride campaigns every year right what it seems like they were waiting for the right thing do they know what do they know what the t is in LGBTQT? LGBTQT?
Starting point is 00:38:46 Yeah. LGBTQ. I'm sorry. Do you know what I mean? I'm sorry. Ligga bigga tugga like that dude on TikTok right now. You know what I mean? Because then, did you see?
Starting point is 00:38:56 Oh, Jack, I don't think you missed it. There was one bust ad that Bud Light did that said, like during Pride, it said LGBTQ. And it said, let's get beers tonight, queens is that real yes i mean and i'm like that also see like ought to be set that's amazing let's get beers tonight queens satire is so dead it's being just destroyed by like much better satire than reality well it's also the new pastime too is like kevin sorbo on twitter just tweeting he's like oh bud light the anheuser-busch just lost like seven billion dollars in market cap or whatever and they're like yeah they're losing it's like asshole they own every beer you drink basically yeah they're all owned by the same company they're like three companies the what
Starting point is 00:39:52 the beers that you're switching to are the same exact you have a very high probability that like if without being too like you know putting too much scrutiny into your beer that you are just giving anheuser-bususch and Bev your money again. Right. But anyway, it's for another discussion about. And if this does permanently dent Bud Light's sales, I would have to assume that that has more to do with the fact that people, these people had never tried a beer besides Bud Light to this point.
Starting point is 00:40:21 And they're now trying like their first non Bud Light beer. And they're like, wait, so beer can like have taste to it. Yeah. But that like that three pack of Tallboys, that's like a staple of like LA construction workers. Right. You know what I mean? Like it ain't going anywhere. But OK, you know, do you?
Starting point is 00:40:42 Do you? All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk Tim Scott. We'll talk some other news. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.
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Starting point is 00:43:09 One session. 24 hours. BPM 110. 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that?
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Starting point is 00:43:41 They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And South Carolina Senator Tim Scott has announced that he is running for president. Yeah. Not from his own self-loathing somehow. I thought he would be running from that.
Starting point is 00:44:13 But no, he's trying to run towards the White House without knowing anything about him. You just you already know he has no chance. You know what I mean? That's what's so funny about this to me. Like, you know, here's the future of like the Republican Party as I see it. If you don't actually come for Trump's ass and be able to beat him at his own game, you will not do shit. That's just where energetically that's just where it's at. That's that's the only thing I think that's going to move the needle for somebody is going to be like, no, this guy sucks.
Starting point is 00:44:42 He's actually not far right enough. And I'll own you in a debate or whatever. Everyone's like, you know, they're everyone is very, they're deferential to Trump. And that's truly at their own peril. Right now, Tim Scott isn't even polling in the double digits in his own fucking state of South Carolina. Trump is like ahead of the field by 20 points. And Ron DeSantis is like, you know, back another flight there. Yeah. He's, he's ahead of DeSantis by 20 points.
Starting point is 00:45:07 So a lot of people are like, what is the point of this? And his campaign launch video, I don't know if you saw it. It's truly one of the saddest things I've seen for starters. He fundamentally, I think has no idea what the civil war represents because he filmed it at fucking Fort Sumter.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Okay. Wow. The place where, you know the place where you know white supremacist secessionists were like yeah let's fucking go after this government facility and just kick off the civil war and he talks about how he will never back down but like many history buffs are like you know like sumter was never taken by the union like once they took it it was only abandoned after the fact so like so how what are the sides are you in this metaphor so right who exactly are you are who are the confederates
Starting point is 00:45:51 because the modern day gop like you know the conservatives of like that time uh they were not about equality if my recollection holds correctly about the civil war i thought they were just about states rights miles isn't that? Yeah, it was about commerce. It was about commerce. It was only about commerce. I know some people have tweeted at me, they're like, well, it was also about commerce. I'm like, that's not... The commerce of what goods, sir?
Starting point is 00:46:16 Yeah, right. Which goods in particular? Was it your king? By the name of Cotton? But anyway, based on the images, though, that suddenly it's like, you know, America's gun divided and like we're having to stand tall against people that would rather bring the country down. They're flashing images of Bernie, AOC, Elizabeth Warren and Biden. And I think he's trying to say that they are the bad guys because that whole thing of like, you know, Lincoln was a Republican and then just act like there's no other context that that would be meaningful to this like depiction so you know good luck to that man it's kind of like a
Starting point is 00:46:50 tragic comedy i think at this point yeah like his whole run because he clearly has no idea what's going on even like with his own base and that like the gop's constant messaging and like of racism and fear-mongering has turned them into a group that is incapable of understanding policy. They don't even care about policy. They only know blood. And, like, his whole thing is like, I want to get to brass tacks. They're like, bro, they're going to eat you alive. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Did you know his signature piece of legislation is, it's urban restoration. It's literally giving tax breaks to developers to do gentrification like that is that man's like on his fucking website that is his signature piece of legislation gentrification which i'm pretty sure passed under trump but anyway right i mean remember too when he tried to introduce like there was his like policing bill too that they're like hey the summer of 2020 like
Starting point is 00:47:41 hey you're our black senator you should introduce this bill of incremental change and we'll treat it as revolutionary and you know he got his little applause and things like that but it's just like it feels like this like a scene in a movie where like a dorky kid wants to ask the most popular girl to prom even though she's totally out of his league and a violent racist like where as the audience you're like we all know the outcome yet he's still like walking up with his like like, box of Russell Stover's chocolates and be like, um, Kelly, you know what I mean? And it's just like, Kelly Ann? No, man. No, fool.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Get the fuck away. She's racist. What the fuck are you trying to do, man? Leave her alone. Leave that shit alone. So, yeah. There's also, he already had an opportunity to act like a serious candidate to when he was asked about, you know, abortion, because that's a that's a big deal right now. And it's probably it's it's proven to be a losing fucking policy platform policy point for the Republicans.
Starting point is 00:48:39 And I'll play this clip for you where he's asked about abortion. And I just want to warn you, he has a pretty good answer. No, who the fuck am I kidding? He absolutely fucked the bed with his answer about abortion. Try and even decipher what he even means with this answer when he's asked about where he's at on abortion. Yes, sir. Would you support a federal ban on abortions? I would simply say that the fact of the matter is when you look at the issue of abortion, one of the challenges that we have, we continue to go to the most restrictive conversations without broadening the scope and taking a look at the fact that I'm 100% pro-life. I never walk away from that. But the truth of the matter is that when you look at the issues on abortion, I start with the various important conversations I had in a banking hearing. When I was sitting in my office and listening to Janet Yellen, the Secretary of the Treasury, talk about increasing the labor force participation rate for African-American women who are in poverty by having abortions.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I think we're just having the wrong conversation. Oh, my fucking God. My man. My man. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. So what does he say oh my god well i mean to me this this this gets right up there with the uh domestic supply of infants logic oh yeah like this is this is the actual conversation we're
Starting point is 00:49:59 having is like should we keep black women in the labor force or should we force them to have children so that uh we have more bodies for the jails. Like, right. What are you even talking about, man? And that's where my mind went through a, a calm. I'm looking,
Starting point is 00:50:11 I look at abortion through a commerce lens, right? Or the banking committee meeting that I was in. Yeah. Like, Hey, but again, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:21 go ahead, man. Like this is so, that's why it's so funny to watch them deal with this like plutonium rod of the abortion issue. They don't know, like to just drop it and throw it as far away from them as possible. And they're like, I think it's melting my skin because I'm holding it still like fuck off. But anyway, this is this is what they got. This is what they got.
Starting point is 00:50:42 All right, buddy. Well, speaking of what they got, they got billionaires on their side. Yeah. And so we mentioned in passing, past couple days, that The Atlantic was entering the fray with Wall Street Journal with a column from somebody being like, you guys, what are you talking about? Harlan Crowe is totally normal nazi paraphernalia collector doesn't mean he's a nazi the so this is the atlantic you know presumably considered to be like center left journalistic institution you know even though the scent what is considered to be the center left and the united states is actually far far right but i just want to read how the article opens because this it just it's an interesting
Starting point is 00:51:30 it's by somebody named graham wood or graham wood i've never seen graham spelled this way very english very english right gra eme wood so first that first sentence i've never met harling crow supreme court justice clarence thomas's billionaire best friend but i have peered through would. So first sentence, I've never met Harlan Crowe, Supreme Court Justice, Clarence Thomas's billionaire best friend, but I have peered through the fence surrounding his estate late at night. And once I went inside and snooped around for a couple hours. Last year, Crowe and his wife, Kathy, put on an event to honor two Dallas humanitarians. And I was invited with about 100 others for cocktails and canapes in the crow's cavernous library a texas scale wood panel room with a walk-in fireplace and a collection of art and memorabilia
Starting point is 00:52:11 worthy of a bond villain so that's an interesting start and you might suspect that him snooping outside of this compound that contains nazi memorabilia was like him as a journalist being like there's something up with this guy there's just like something that doesn't scan he's always like hanging out with these really influential right-wing dignitaries and leaders and supreme court justices and like so i'm i've hung out i've like kind of kept my eye, but it turns out that it's like actually aspirational. And he, he just like was hanging out there because he wants to like get invited in and like was excited because he goes on to just be like,
Starting point is 00:52:55 he's a total sweetheart. Essentially. He's the, he, it's that last paragraph of it. That's really fucking wild of like where you kind of have half of the quote from the last paragraph. Yeah. It simply isn't possible to be a Nazi, crypto or otherwise, and simultaneously be an Abe Lincoln and Liz Cheney fanboy,
Starting point is 00:53:18 let alone to conceal from your dearest confidence among them black and Jewish people your preference for the master race he wrote then he says that he and if he were ever to become a billionaire he would buy one of those gold dinars the official currency minted by the islamic state and that was like his beat like as a journalist he was he was covering that a lot so i think he was trying to like put this thing of like okay this is this is you know i'm into like i covered some pretty awful stuff and i'm kind of maybe would like a coin i guess just to like for funsies right and then he says some strangers might suppose that because i own such a repugnant item i must have secretly pledged my soul to abu bakar al-bagdadi but my friends would know otherwise because they are not morons ah yes so it's just that like kind of dismissive ivy league harvard bullshit where
Starting point is 00:54:12 it's just like everybody who says this is dumb if you say someone's hit or into nazis because they have a signed copy of mein kampf you're just dumb and you're not as cultured as I am. Excuse me while I finish stuffing my face with canapes. There's also an older article in The Atlantic, because he's written for The Atlantic for a while, talking about being a high school classmate of Richard Spencer. Oh, don't worry. He's not a fan of Richard Spencer. But that article opens with him bragging about being at a Christmas party bash with Richard Spencer for Reason Magazine, the libertarian publication. And he's not like, and I infiltrated this. It's like, yeah, I got to go to this cool Christmas party with Reason Magazine, a libertarian publication. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Like, I'm sure there's a world where Harlan Crowe is just doesn't have an ideological thought in his head that he's aware of, you seem important and then just like throwing them all up next to each other with no context like it's a tgi fridays but it's like the first of all the fact that like his audience is like oh my god and like look how nice the cutlery and napkin wear of the nazis were is weird and also it's just revealing that like this Harvard grad like this person is supposed to be at the center of like mainstream media, like dives in and like, you know, is giving the benefit of the doubt to this billionaire. you know would not do would not even think to do the same thing with somebody who's murdered by the police for instance you know so but when it comes to the most powerful people in the country they rush in to be like you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt he's just into this stuff because it's cool it's the other thing that he says hold on i gotta fucking i'm stupid things paywalled and i'm gonna give him my fucking money.
Starting point is 00:56:26 I know that's that's what makes this all so difficult. There's there's this one part where he basically says, like, he's saying, like, if I if I if I wanted to unburden myself of the billions of dollars of inherited wealth, I, too, might invest in curious historical pieces. He uses the term like unburden myself of billions of dollars. And you're like, oh, the burden of having, what else are you going to do but buy Nazi shit when you got billions of dollars? Please, y'all come see, look at the point. And he hangs out with Jewish people and black people.
Starting point is 00:57:00 He can't be into the master race. And again, I'm not even saying it's it's a nailed on thing i'm like sure maybe he has some weird quirk about it but i'll tell you this if i had billions of dollars i'm not buying nazi shit okay right i'm buying weird fucking i don't even know what i don't even have the i don't have the mind like the imagination to put myself there like what would i buy but it feels like like that's what's interesting is that like this person who writes for the Atlantic, supposedly center left, like widely regarded.
Starting point is 00:57:31 If you asked anybody who like writes at the New York times, it'd be like that place is center left or, you know, like this is a person who peers through the gates of a billionaire's home at night and fantasizes about the weird murder paraphernalia he would buy when he becomes a billionaire right like that's who is at the center of the mainstream media the center of the mainstream media well look again it's all about the status quo at the end of the day and to like begin a real earnest discussion of like this is this is why
Starting point is 00:58:05 everything's so fucked up might be a bridge too far and it's better to just be like is it that bad to have a ton of money and yeah you're into weird historical stuff right nothing to see here okay let's keep it moving i personally think it's fucking weird to collect nazi stuff i'm going on the record yeah you're not to find me collecting that shit. If anything, I'd be like, I'd buy like a weird, I'd buy so much weird sports crap.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Probably, you know, like meaningless shit, like a fucking ticket from like a arsenal match of like yesteryear for nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Like I, even the thought of like Nazi memorabilia just freaks me out. Like, I don't want to fucking even like, there was this guy who was a friend of a friend who I remember like, like something came to light and they're like, yeah, I found out this guy collects like a bunch of Nazi stuff.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Yeah. And they're like, but they're the, and I met them. They're like, there's such, wait, that guy,
Starting point is 00:59:03 he's so nice. He's like, yeah, he's kind of like really into that stuff and i'm like it's never a good sign i have to i don't know anybody who that but i gotta think it's never a good sign but it's just interesting to think about the audience of this stuff that has driven him to continue to keep a bunch of like nazi dinnerware on display a painting by hitler next to a painting by norman rockwell and a painting by george bush who he thinks george w bush who he thinks is a hero presumably based on his feelings about lynn cheney he like the audience
Starting point is 00:59:40 for that like the the feedback that he's getting is like whoa cool and that makes total sense because like there was a fascist coup like around the time that hitler was rising to power in the united states by the richest people to try and like have a fascist overthrow of the u.s government and like that that hasn't gone away like those are still the richest people in the country they're still the most powerful people it's just they've become more and more powerful and it's becoming like invisible because they're the ones who are like writing for the fucking atlantic so it's just like that becomes a thing that we just accept and get like chided and called morons for thinking is fucking weird. You know, it's that is what a rhetorically powerful way to end that defense of like, but my friends would know otherwise.
Starting point is 01:00:36 And that's why they're my friends, because they are not morons. So that's what's so funny is like you for all this like fucking posturing and bloviating you're doing in this piece, you just end it. You're basically the whole thrust of the piece is y'all are just morons because y'all don't know him. Yeah, that's not really a good defense. If you're actually trying to assuage people's concerns about this fucking guy. I feel like the well, he has black and Jewish friends is kind of like doing a lot of work, because I think once you get to the point of like i you know my black friends don't care that i have like hitler shit sitting around it's like yeah because all you any of you want all of any of your friends want is like the accumulation of power like nobody cares and to me it's like that's like a power play
Starting point is 01:01:22 right that you have like hitler shit up and it doesn't like it doesn't matter and i'm not trying to hide it and it's not like oh i have this little closet over here behind a bookshelf that i put all my hitler stuff in because i don't want anybody to see it when i'm throwing my party like he has it out because he's like making a statement about the fact that like social norms don't apply to him and that's why we're being called idiots for going like what what is going on like why would you have this shit in like out and public and something that you're proud of and it's like they really billionaires you know they are the law like legally and socially and all of the other ways like whatever they do is fine because no one can touch them. And I think that, yeah, it's just like when you're talking about people who are trying to accumulate power, like they have more in common with each other than like they do with
Starting point is 01:02:11 any of us or anybody else who's like part of, who might otherwise be like part of your like socioeconomic or racial or ethnic group. Right. It's like, I don't see race. I just see sadistic plutocrats. Right. That's it. That's all we are. We've distilled it all down to our one common thing. And that's that. visible to everybody except them and the people who work for them which is like the protection of private wealth yeah like just finding different ways to invest their billions and billions and
Starting point is 01:02:50 billions of jack no unburdening themselves i'm sorry billions of inherited well i didn't even want this shit jack what am i supposed to do with it that's how this writer uses his imagination is sitting around thinking about what he would do to unburden himself. Did he CC Harlan Crowe on this? Like when it got published and he's like, you see that? Hey, when's the next party? Got your back. Yeah, exactly. I got you, fam.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I got you. Could you lift the restraining order now that I've written this? I promise I'll stop looking through the gates. I want those canapes. Oh, I'm sorry, canapes, canapes. I'm sorry, I'm working on that. I want to be like you, a cultured person. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:03:33 This also, for me, really goes back to all the data that shows the more money you have, the less empathy you have. They're so disconnected from reality and other people being people. And I mean, I, I assume,
Starting point is 01:03:48 I don't think that like Clarence Thomas is rich, rich, like this Harlan Crow asshole, but the power thing still fucks with your head and like fucks with your ability to empathize. Yeah. And I think that like both of them are just like very clear examples of, uh, yeah,
Starting point is 01:04:04 what the data is showing us right and he's not a billionaire his real name is clarence that's right clancy clancy can't be a billionaire or come on now but yeah it is it's like you know there's a point where you just sort of cross the rubicon of reality and you're like sorry folks i'm over here now and actually all you people are actually haters and i'm gonna legislate you the fuck off the planet. That's kind of where we're at now. And guess what? All my homies are rich.
Starting point is 01:04:32 And we can manipulate many things with this money. But yeah, it's easier to just be like, just that whole, like, what's the title of it? It's like he's collecting a Nazi does not make him a Nazi or whatever the fuck. Clarence Thomas's billionaire friend is no Nazi. You're carrying water for a dude who doesn't know your name also, by the way. Like, yeah, pretty weird. You're simping for a billionaire who didn't even want you at his party. He just made you look through the gate.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Hey, Harlanlan it's me oh god it's that insufferable graham again what is he doing i don't know but he has silver paint all over his mouth and he keeps reading out of a paper bag by the way his big article on richard spence richard spencer is a troll and an icon for white supremacists he was also my high school classmate is the subhead uh the title the new york times as a person the title is his comp that's the title of the atlantic article no oh my god and it has like a it has a black and white photograph of Richard Spencer that's kind of, I don't know. It's very humanizing.
Starting point is 01:05:47 It's interesting. Interesting. Good for them. Good for them. Yeah. I mean, for the people that are aspiring millionaires and billionaires that read The Atlantic, I'm sure this is a nice salve for them. Yeah. I can buy all the Nazi shit I want.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Yeah. I'm just trying to unburden myself. The Atlantic is going to tell me that the Atlantic is going to tell everybody else that they're fucking morons if they judge me for it. Exactly. Oh, really? Oh, I'm a Nazi? I'll have you read a little piece by Graham Wood
Starting point is 01:06:16 in the Atlantic that would say otherwise. And someone would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Huh? Just read it. My friends know I'm not a Nazi. I'm just into nazi stuff like in a really measurable really normal way yeah but it is really like unless there's forcible legislation to rein billionaires in like there has been in the past and stopped being during our lifetime like for basically the past like 30 years right they like because
Starting point is 01:06:47 to your point tori like that that study of billionaires of the that's like the richer you are the less empathy you have that's not necessarily because like money makes you less empathetic it's that people without empathy are better at accumulating money that yeah the amount of wealth required and like the amount of exploitation required to do that like yeah those specific people right it's probably like but two things feeding that like i'm sure the money doesn't help once you're already somebody who has been predatory enough to accumulate that much wealth. But we are just feeding them into the most influential positions in our civilization. And like that, it's just going to keep getting worse until something is done about it to rein them in. At a cultural level, people start just automatically discounting everything that
Starting point is 01:07:44 comes out of their mouths and everything that comes out of their mouths and everything that comes out of the mouths of people who are simping for them just call them sadistic plutocrats let's not call them billionaires we don't need we don't have to assign like how much wealth you're just you're a sadistic plutocrat and i'm sure another thing that prevents them from like being like am i the baddie is like our culture already deifies these people in the form of the job creator. You know what I mean? And like,
Starting point is 01:08:08 so for them, they're like, actually I'm God. So I'm actually creating jobs. Not, I'm not exploiting labor. I'm creating jobs. And I,
Starting point is 01:08:16 and I put my head, I rest my head at night on my third Reich sheets and I go to sleep really wonderfully. Cause I know I've created jobs. I'm not, I'm not exploiting labor. Okay. The needlework, the thread count, like it really can't be. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:08:32 And I hate to keep harping on this, but this is almost a hundred years old and the quality is better than anything that you can buy right now. I'm just saying they don't make stuff like they used to. Okay. You say you hate to keep harping on it, but it's all've talked about since we got here harlan just saying this shit's durable okay the fucking fucking 90 year old hat man look at it looks like looks brand new looks brand new the furor wore it tori god i'm just laughing at the furorer Warrant. The Fuhrer Warrant. Fuhrer Warrant. The authentic Fuhrer Warrant.
Starting point is 01:09:11 These are my Air Fuhrer Ones that I got. They're really cool sneakers. These weren't even around then. Yeah, I had to fill night makeup hair custom. Oh, no. Oh, no. Well, Tori, such a pleasure having you. Where can people find you, follow you, all the other anti-racist social justicey things that i um that i talk about just generally and uh my website's pretty glass.com so yeah hit me up let's hang out check it out
Starting point is 01:09:53 is there a work of media that you've been enjoying i have i don't know how to pronounce the name of this person so this movie that's coming out what is it chevalier am i doing that right i don't know about this uh black kid who's like a french violinist it's based on a true story sorry if i butchered that i don't speak french and so anyway there's all these racists who are crying and like in their fields because they're like how are you making a story about a black kid who lives in paris in like the 1700. This is so offensive to me. This must be fiction. And anyway, somebody replied to the, to the trailer of the film.
Starting point is 01:10:30 And it was like, remember when the anti-woke Red Pill crowd said, why don't you just make stories about black people instead of making white characters black? And like crying emojis. He's like, that's not what they wanted either. It's almost as if they don't care about history.
Starting point is 01:10:42 One could even think they're just racist. No way. not a chance they're all they're just all in their feels about like a real person and a real thing that actually happened and uh it's like but you you don't like black elves but you also don't like black people existing in history like just just admit you don't like black people this is not that difficult i don't want to see them and i don't want i certainly don't want to hear them laughing in a restaurant i hate that i hate hearing that on a train cannot laugh oh my god what are they like what's so funny hands to yourself excuse me oh my gosh they're running around the restaurant they're running around out of control um yeah my reply to the video or the trailer was oh this looks fascinating let's do alessandro
Starting point is 01:11:26 de medici next because i don't think most people know that like the duke of fucking florence was a black man wow so i was just trolling i was like yeah let's do this guy next absolutely miles where can people find you what's a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying uh you can find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray also find Jack and I on the latest episode of Miles of Jack on that boost talking about the NBA playoffs playing in tournament and also 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra I got actually two
Starting point is 01:11:54 tweets actually no one what am I saying Tim Platt at Timothy Platt tweeted Count Dracula won I think stupid yes yes that's what i'm i'm back for those little good one-liners that twitter has and then i'm immediately they're still there they're still there they're still there they're still there i'm still still here for them molly mary o'brien tweeted if you aren't down to clown get the hell out of my tiny car and i think that's just a good tattoo like in line with some fallout boy lyrics we talked about
Starting point is 01:12:34 tattoo worthy you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitge On Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Footnotes. We're linked off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what's a song that we think people might enjoy?
Starting point is 01:12:59 Oh, man. I was so – this producer I really like, like I was so into when I was working in politics. His name was Hues, H-U-E-S-S. And I used to download all his shit on Bandcamp. And then like he kind of fell off like 10 years ago and stopped making music. And I was like, what the fuck? You know, like you always kind of wonder what happened to those artists. He just started posting again on his SoundCloud.
Starting point is 01:13:21 And I'm like, oh, I'm back. But I want to just play one of the tracks that I really like on his SoundCloud and I'm like, oh, I'm back. But I want to just play one of the tracks that I really like on his SoundCloud from 13 years ago. It's a remix of the track Sun by Caribou, but it's the Hues remix. H-U-E-S-S. So it's on SoundCloud, but it's just like, I don't know, it just feels, it's
Starting point is 01:13:38 very nostalgic for me when I was really into my beat maker era. So check that out. Sun, the Hues remix. All right. Well, we'll link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist
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