The Daily Zeitgeist - Sleeping In Socks = Jailable Offense, Mickey Mouse Is Free? 01.05.23

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

In episode 1602, Jack and guest co-host Andrew Ti are joined by co-host of The Bechdel Cast, Caitlin Durante, to discuss… Mickey Mouse Hits the Public Domain... Kind Of, There’s a Controversy Brewing: Socks or No Socks In Bed and more! Mickey Mouse Hits the Public Domain... Kind Of Mickey Mouse will be public domain soon—here’s what that means Welcome to the public domain, Mickey Mouse Mickey’s Public Domain Status Sparks MICKEY Crypto Surge Trailer for Mickey Mouse Slasher Film Drops on Same Day ‘Steamboat Willie’ Character Enters Public Domain ‘Steamboat Willie’ Horror Film Announced as Mickey Mouse Enters Public Domain Mickey Mouse-Inspired Horror Game 'Infestation 88' Announced The Mickey Mouse Public Domain Horror Games And Movies Want You To Roast Them Director of Mickey Mouse slasher film fully expects you to hate-watch it Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property Mickey, Disney, and the Public Domain: a 95-year Love Triangle Did Disney Demand the Removal of Cartoon Murals from Daycare Center Walls? A Rare 1968 Anti-War Short "Mickey Mouse In Vietnam" Has Resurfaced Online There’s a Controversy Brewing: Socks or No Socks In Bed LISTEN: One Love (Nujabes Remix) by NasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Come on. Nah, that's way too many numbers. That's like buffer overflow error number of years. Right. If we were on like a 4-bit machine, we'd be done. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. If we were on like a four bit machine, we'd be done. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Soaking time. Sex is not allowed, but check out this loophole I just read.

Soaking time. Put the P in the V and have all the homies jump on the bed. Soaking time might seem strange, but you'll still get a planet when you are dead. I know how to abstain and still bone. That is courtesy of Rezik, a throwback. I think Rezik sensed my displeasure that we are in the year 2024

and gave me an AK from a subject we talked about, I think, back in the late 80s. A long time ago. I love the, I just curious how that came to you, Rezek, on the Discord. You're just like, oh shit. Remember that story they talked about years ago? Anyways, thank you for that. Remember that story they talked about years ago? Anyways, thank you for that.

I'm thrilled to be joined by a very special guest co-host, a hilarious and brilliant TV writer, producer. You know him from the Yo's is Racist podcast. It's Andrew T. I just want to take a moment to wish a happy new year to all the sun-worshipping freaks in the white community. I don't know what you guys got going on, but happy new year to all the sun worshiping freaks in the white community. I don't know what you guys got going on, but happy new year, I guess. Sun worshipers? Yeah, you freaks.

Fucking weirdos. Moon life forever. The only true calendar. Well, Andrew, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented writer, stand-up comedian, podcast host of the Bechdel cast, which takes down the patriarchy one movie at a time and is just one of the best podcasts in existence. Also, I happen to have a master's degree in film, the most anagrammable name in the English language, such as Nine Tit Dracula. But when you read the name, when you read the letters in order, it is Caitlin Durante! Hello, it's me. Yes.

Latin dancer UTI. Latin dancer UTI. Caitlin, you were just on. You were on the last episode that we did before the break. And now I'm back, baby. The fuck around episode. What a great time. That was so fun.

And now, unfortunately, I regret to inform you, this is the photographic negative of that episode. This is the all business episode. Just hard news stories, one after the other. Everything from images of Steamboat Willie piloting one of the other everything from images of steamboat willie piloting one of the planes into the twin towers to steamboat willie drenched in comb we're covering it all folks all the stories that happened over the break that's that's basically it we're just going to talk about how mickey mouse hit the public domain kind of and then there's a controversy brewing in the world of socks socks or no socks in bed i've been told this is i don't know i i wear

socks to bed i'm just going to come out and say it and i've been told that is unacceptable by i have a lot of thoughts on this so i'm really really excited. I knew, like everybody seems to. It's wild. I just, there's like this op-ed in the Wall Street Journal or something, and the headline was like, if you sleep in socks, you're a psychopath. Health tip kicks up controversy. And I was like, wow, that's so aggressive, right, to people. And they were all like, nope, it is correct. It is, in fact, scientifically accurate accurate you need to get out of here well not when you do it my way i have a very particular

sock regimen i want to hear this oh boy uh-huh all right jump to socks jump to socks jump to socks all of that plenty more but first, Caitlin, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I googled Wolf of Wall Street Quaalude scene.

Yes. Because, yes, we love it. I am editing this little promo video to plug the Bechtelcast tour Yes, yes, we know it. We love it. I am editing this little promo video to plug the Bechtelcast tour that Jamie Loftus and I are going on in early February. So, Zeitgang, who's also a Bechtel head,

grab your tickets. But anyway, so I'm like editing this silly little promo video and it's mostly a Barbiebie tour we are mostly covering the barbie movie but there's one show where we are also doing a wolf of wall street thing because interesting you know what movie margot robbie pairs yeah i mean that's obviously the crowd the the thing but everyone's like why wouldn't you do oppenheimer and i'm like because i was asleep during most of that movie. I don't want to watch it again.

So we're doing Wolf of Wall Street. So I was just like, I was just finding little images to include in this. And I was like, ooh, that Quaalude scene's pretty good. So I Googled that. I couldn't help but notice that Oppenheimer barely does any quaaludes in that movie. I would say even zero. It's not even referenced when he does. I can't imagine he did

zero quaaludes during the course of the events of the film. Show that on screen. Where's the on-screen representation of it? Show, don't tell. Quaaludes? Quaaludes really felt like that's the only substance, legal or otherwise, that just like completely... Can you get Quaaludes anymore?

You can get a lot of shit that is illegal even. But you can't get Quaaludes. Where did the Quaaludes go? I wanted to try Loots once. You tried them? No, I want to. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that is the premise of the scene in Wolf of Wall Street, right?

That they are like... Is it really? they have the last five quaaludes. Yeah, they're like old, so they don't know how effective they're going to be. So they keep taking them. They're like, ah, these are busted. And then it's very much the experience that anybody who's taken too many edibles has had in recent years. But yeah, that's the idea. I feel like they give a passing explanation about where, where the quaaludes went,

but it was something like that. I think they were made pharmaceutically at one point and then they made them illegal, but it does seem like there's probably, you know, as, as a drug has become more high advanced, there should be a market there.

At minimum, an artisanal market for, come on, you want to at least try it. You got to at least try. Ludes. And Hells Angels are back as a vibe. Yeah. I mean, the Hells Angels mainly use them to

counterbalance all the speed that they were on. Enormous amount. They're like, well, someone Angels mainly used them to counterbalance all the speed that they were on. Enormous amount. They're like, well, someone's going to have to fall asleep eventually. Why don't we figure out something to counterbalance all this trucker speed that we've been eating and distributing? I'm not against any of this, I don't think. Wait, what is speed? Is speed coke? Are they the same thing?

Are they two different? No, it's amphetamines. They're pretty similar. Oh, so they're speed coke. Very similar. Yeah, yeah. Like meth. Speed is breaking bad.

Speed is, yes. Speed is breaking bad. Cocaine is, I assume, Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What is something that you think is overrated? Okay, so we're getting into horny territory in these next few. Uh-oh, folks.

It's the first week of 2024. I'm trying to set a precedent. Of course we're going to be horny. I mean, this isn't particularly horny, but these are about dating. I've been giving a lot of thought to dating. So the opposite of horny is what you're saying. Not when you date like me.

I have a very specific sock regimen and I have a very specific dating regimen and it's all horny. Okay. Overrated is height as a dating criteria. I'm talking specifically about men because so if you go if you're on the apps, there, there are a lot of men who just put their height as the only thing in their profile because they've been conditioned to think that that's like the most important thing about them. This is enough, right? How high the cells of my body stack up to? That's enough about me. Yeah, that's my personality in its entirety so it's very frustrating and i know that they're doing this because of like a you know a societal pressure a beauty standard blah blah blah but i find it very frustrating not only that that beauty standard

has become so prominent but that men are responding to it by being like, well, you don't need to know anything about me aside from my height. I also feel like somebody who puts that much emphasis on their own height is probably more likely to lie about their height, right? Like have weird height issues going on. For sure. But it kind of feels like what you're saying, though, it is like a self-regulating system, right? Because people who put that, actually, that is the only thing that is interesting about them. I mean, that's true. They're kind of perpetuating this cycle. But I don't know.

It just feels like you don't want to click on those people and swipe on those folks. And it's doing its job both ways. and you don't want to click on those people and swipe on those folks and, you know, it's doing its job both ways. If someone only loves height and if someone recognizes that that's idiotic, I'm about it. Unless it's like their Wembingyama. Are they Victor

Wembingyama? Are they 7'4? And it is like the main thing about them that you would have to deal with on a dating basis is like this. We can't go most places. I'm way too. I won't fit through the doorway. I can't sit in a normal car.

Yes, that would make sense. But it is. It's just people who are like, I'm 5'11 or whatever. I. That's why they're like, I am the average height. And that's all you the average height and that's all you need to know and that's what you need to know and andrew you're right like this like this should be like a weeding out process except that i would say in like 80 of profiles and like yes i'm i'm like swiping left on like 99.9 percent of people but like it's just so prevalent for men to have just their height or like one of three things they list about themselves is their

height and i think it stinks will not stand for. It won't. That's terrible that people do that. Do they hold a coin next to them for like the... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they have just a tiny little quarter on the ground next to them. And they're like, I'm so much taller than this. Yeah. Which then does open up a market for fake, not to scale, like measuring tape or yardsticks or whatever that you hold up next to yourself in your dating profile yes oh man yeah now we're talking let's get on this that's right yeah all right this is a enterprise if i've ever heard just you're gonna have to cut out the

next 30 minutes while we scheme this business plan. And we're back. And we're about to be rich as fuck, you guys. Wow. What is something you think is underrated, Caitlin? Okay, so what I think is underrated is being solo poly. So if anyone's not familiar, it's a type of polyamory or ethical non-monogamy where you're just kind of single your main relationship is with yourself but you also have so many lovers

great it's the best of all the worlds so many and it's something i've been exploring in recent years, and I've never been happier, I would say. Definitely sounds like the best one. Yeah, I think so. It sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah. I thought you were saying Solo Polly. That was like negative Nelly, Solo Polly. Oh, not Solo Polly Pocket.

Okay. Solo Polly Amory. Yeah. They sound like they might be contradictory because it's like, how can you have many lovers but also be solo? But we make it work. And when you become solo Polly,

does that give you the magical power that you now possess to use lover in a way that doesn't make me cringe? Because you're, yeah, you can do it now. I've met like a handful of people who can be like, I've taken a lover. And I'm just like, yeah, that's how you talk. And that is how you should talk there's a great line to that effect in the movie american fiction which i will also sing the praises of later on as a piece of media i've been enjoying but there's a great line where jeffrey wright's character is like oh i'm so grossed out by the fact that you've just told me you've taken a lover but when you're solo poly poly, you get to say it and it's not gross.

You can say it, yeah. I also like to say that I have a harem of himbos. There you go. That's pretty accurate to my life. Do they know they're himbos? I don't think they know that I call them that.

I think that they... They think it's just their little secret, and they always do. Yeah. I will say the over- or underratedness of this, this feels like a solo poly is a thing where

the rating system depends on your original perspective so highly, because I can't help but notice that Jack was like, that sounds great. That sounds pretty good. Right?

I was like, yeah, I think Jack's rating, it's not underrated for him because it comes quite highly rated. I guess I put it in the underrated class. I almost said classagory. Uh-huh. And that's a thing now that's category as a solo

you speak with such confidence that classagory is now a thing thank you thank you um so classification slash category slash classagory um i put it there because i mean most people you know follow like a pretty traditional like you, you know, just monogamy. I have one partner. I have one person. That's what they're seeking. That's what they have. You know, whatever.

But I've been sort of just examining that as a structure, as an expectation in society. And I was like, you know what? I don't think that is for me and just like i mean relationship anarchy in general is something i've been exploring and i'm just like yeah this this is cool this is not enough people know about it or doing it yeah and obviously like a very important thing about it is to like be very with people. Be very open and upfront. So I was going to say, there are plenty of fuckboys in the world who are like, this is actually secretly what I do, but nobody needs to know about it.

Instead, I pretend I love everyone deeply and we are soulmates. Right. Amazing. This just in, Classic Gory has been shortlisted for the 2024 word of the year, Merriam-Webster dictionary. So, Oh, I didn't even make it up.

No, no, no, you did. And that's how quickly it became. You did. And now shortlisted. Awesome.

Amazing. Well, we are going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and talk about drawings of Mickey mouse doing nine 11. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And, yeah, I mean mean i don't know they're like i feel like i feel like i've seen seen all the ones like that you know it's so basically sb dubs as we've all started calling steamboat willie who is the unmistakable ancestor of mickey mouse and descendant of menstrual cartoons, but that's for another time. But you can look at the similarities. There's a lot. But yeah, Steamboat Willie has hit the big public domain in the

sky, freeing the internet to do its best slash worst. And doing 9-11 and being covered in cum, I was like, I bet that's what the internet is going to do. And they did that. There's also some where he has his dick out and being covered in cum were like that was like i bet that's what the internet's gonna do and they did that there's also some where he has his dick out also to be expected but i don't know

like so first of all this is like people will be quick to point out steamboat willie has some differences from modern mickey they redesigned mic Mouse for 1940s Sorcerer's Apprentice. So we're going to have to wait another, I don't know. I was going to say like 20 years, but no, that's actually less than that. Like 10 years for actual modern Mickey Mouse to be covered and come. I mean, will the world make it that long we'll see that is the question but well to be to be covered and come not as parody right exactly yes exactly yeah i mean people were already free to do this it's just a celebration of like now

it's legal yeah so if you want to know the difference between Steamboat Willie and Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse has like big, big eyes with like black pupils, you know, like the standard Disney, like big eyed, like kind of thing that's based on babies. inherent in humans like we are genetically designed to not want to kill babies um and so like we like we like them with the big eyes whereas a steamboat willie to quote quince speech and jaws has got lifeless eyes black eyes like a doll's eyes it It's true. When he comes at you, he doesn't seem to be living until he bites you. And those black eyes roll over white. Yeah. I don't think I've said

this story here. Maybe I've never said it at all. But the maddest thing I forgot when I was writing on Robot Chicken is I pitched a sketch that made it pretty far that was about Funko Pops where every time you turned back,

it was like a haunted house kind of deal. And every time they turned back to the Funko Pops, where every time you turned back, it was like a haunted house kind of deal. And every time they turned back to the Funko Pop, its eyes would be like beady black eye would be 10% bigger until it eventually swallowed the screen. And they didn't let me do the sketch. And I'm so mad about it still. Oh, man. Tastes great. But yeah, so this is the first big character to hit the public domain in a while

which i hadn't realized but sunny bono apparently sunny bono or bono bono right i've just been oh yeah because bono is the u2 guy yeah bono is the sunny guy yeah as the famous rhyme says. I only know him from the Beavis and Butthead version of I Got You Babe with Cher. Right. Yeah. That's kind of the main thing he's known for other than dying in a ski accident. But he also was a so he was like TV guy and then became politician guy. and then became politician guy. And in 1999, he's passed a law suspending things from hitting the public domain for 20 years

for reasons having to do with corporations and rich people enjoying money, whatever the justification at the time was. That seems to be that they were lobbied by Disney and like George Gershwin's estate and there's just everyone was basically politics in the 90s really got away with a ton of shit because like they just had the world or at least like the mainstream media convinced that anywhere anyone making money was good for the country because, quote, the economy.

Like, why not keep it private so people can continue to make money for Disney and the wealthy who can invest it back into Wall Street? And Wall Street is scoreboard for economy. What could possibly go wrong? Yeah. Thankfully, that's all changed now. It's no different. Yeah. We just have social media to like

point it out it's not true yeah so wait they were trying they were lobbying to make it so to like delay things going into into the public domain by 20 years so it could stay private so they could keep profiting a little longer okay oh neat yeah that's the thing that is like so funny is like to imagine them being like, you know, for some kind of vague moral or economic reason, this must happen. And then just the finding the line of 20 years, like if this is important, why not forever? Right. Or what? Just like somehow they were like,

no, 20, 20 is good, 20 is good. We'll be rich enough in 20. That'll never come. Yeah, we'll just be incredibly rich by that time. So there have been NFTs, because people are still falling for that, apparently. Mickey Mouse cryptocurrencies. Those are somehow different.

A glut of AI-generated images featuring the old Mickey doing drugs or slathered in semen, as previously mentioned. Yeah, Quaaludes might be interesting. I'm sure the kids don't know, though, you know? That is true. Kids these days don't know that. I wonder if the copyright on the presumably brand name Quaalude is probably still in effect, whereas Mickey gets sued by

Pfizer or whoever still holds that patent. Was Quaalude the name brand or the street name for that drug? I'm curious. Was that the Kleenex? It has to be. It's also spelled very strangely, which makes me think that it is.

Yeah, it's not the chemical name and it's not like some shit that you just come up with so the chemical name is methacolone oh yeah pretty close it's a hypnotic sedative i didn't for some reason i thought it Oh, no. So, Quaalude must be the brand name, I guess. Yeah, it's the aspirin. Yeah. It's the Tylenol. Yeah. I love this.

Bring back lewds. Bring back lewds is our message in 2024. bring back lewds is our message in 2024 but i mean it's understand like there's sort of a strident effect happening here where people are going particularly hard on steamboat willie because disney has like famously been fighting this moment for decades like they called the sunny bono thing i think the mickey mouse saver or some some shit like the mickey mouse law or yeah so like people if the disney corporation is in danger of not making as money as much money as they want to put out a mickey alert and it all goes to our phones and we all like have to protect the copyright of Mickey Mouse. That's how the Mickey Mouse Protection Act is called. So predictably, just hours after Mickey entered the public domain, we got a trailer for a horror movie in which a guy in a Mickey Mouse mask is like a knife wielding serial killer.

And they just do this with Winnie the Pooh. So and also the mask looks like shit like the winnie the pooh one like for some reason they just they're like okay you're allowed to use it but you have to like make it out of a paper bag in like 15 minutes it looks like total shit yeah it's also set in a chucky cheese-esque restaurant because of the success of Five Knife Freddy. Okay. So it's, yeah. Five Knife Freddy? Is that you doing a joke?

Or is that it? Yeah, that's what we called it. I think it was actually when your co-host on the Bechdel cast, Jamie Loftus, was on. Damn. We were a little bit mystified. So now I just outed myself as someone who didn't listen to that didn't listen to your own i listened to everything miles has ever been on

including phone calls that he doesn't know i'm listening yeah you have like a secret baby monitor in his house i do just for you that's right then sometimes i whisper things while he's asleep. Just, you know, implant, incept ideas. But yeah, it's Five Nights at Freddy's. I'm sorry, Caitlin. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't like a classicory goof.

Right, right. Could easily be. So just the least original film ever proposed. The thing that bums me out about these is they had it ready to go. It's so uncreative. I just wish...

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I'm not supposed to be repeating, but it doesn't matter that much. But like, you know, I was told that often, because you like kind of have the impression like, oh, you can't use Coca-Cola in your thing, so you've got to use this thing because of copyright or whatever. And it's rarely that.

Like, it's usually just that, like, the business affairs and ad sales people would like to get Coca-Cola as a sponsor. To pay them. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, you don't get it for free. But it has nothing to do with the, like,

base legality of, like, can you use it? And it's such a, like, detraction from the quality of movies. I mean, I think you've told us that before, but it's so interesting to me because it's such a... It takes you out of the movie so much to have people drinking from a

can that says soda on it. Crack-a-cola. Yeah. Exactly. To me, the example I was given, I don't remember who said this but like you just can't like defame the product like you can't have someone drink a coke drop dead from a heart attack and then all the characters say that's what always happens when

you drink so as long as you're not like slandering the the brand name. Yeah, right. A brand like Quaalude, for example. Right. Which we've always said on this show is very good for you. It's like taking your vitamins in the 1970s. I wonder if it's that you can't misrepresent. You can't have Quaaludes and just be like, these get me high with no consequences. Like I just did?

Yeah. Well, I was an extra on a movie set one time. Huge brag. It was a movie that never got a theatrical release. But Emma Roberts was in it. And it was about a high school basketball team. And I was in this cafeteria scene where there were vending machines in the shot but originally the vending machines i think were pepsi and then they

brought the like production brought in basically like huge stickers that said coca-cola on them to place them over the pepsi logo to make it seem like it was a Coca-Cola machine. And I don't know exactly why they did that. If that was some sort of like agreement with Coca-Cola or I don't, or if they were like, we want money from Coca-Cola, but not Pepsi. I don't,

I don't know enough about it, but I just found that fascinating that it was like, oh, you like specifically brought in stickers to like make, to change what this product would be. The director is just like, oh, you specifically brought in stickers to change what this product would be. Yeah. The director is just like, no, these people have Coca-Cola vibes. No, no, no. They would never.

No, it's not. This is taking me out. Pepsi, Emma Roberts, get the fuck out of here. Does not track. Emma Roberts does not exist in a universe alongside Pepsi. That doesn't... It's like you can't put Michael Douglas in a movie set in the past.

You can't put Emma Roberts in a movie in which there's Pepsi. It doesn't make sense. If Michael Douglas was in a period piece, you'd still need to at minimum put a blackberry in his hand. He doesn't look natural without something to communicate. Has he ever been in a period piece you'd still need to at minimum put like a blackberry in his hand yeah he doesn't look natural without like that was he's never been in a period piece no that so william goldman the screenwriter has he wrote princess bride and he has like what one of his books on screenwriting

i forget which one it is he talks about how his theory for why ghost in the darkness i think is the movie it's like jaws but a lion in africa that is like killing everybody and then there's like it's the 1800s i think and they're like the quint character is this like stoic lion hunter played by michael douglas and everyone heading into the movie movie's release was like this is a sure thing like we have the next jaws and then it like tanked and his theory for why it tanked is that michael douglas just cannot exist in like a movie that like takes place outside of like after the or before the 1980s. He just needs to be a horny businessman.

That's it. It's kind of unsettling to even just imagine Michael Douglas in the same room as an animal. Or in the same... Anything that isn't lacquer or plastic. He tried it in Fatal Attraction. Look what happened to that rabbit. And look what happened to that rabbit.

Jesus. Anyways. Multiple movies actually hit on the same like multiple trailers dropped or i guess this one didn't have a full trailer but there's like a horror an animated horror movie where mickey mouse will torment a group of unsuspecting ferry passengers. So they're like, steamboat? What's the first thing we all think about with Mickey Mouse? It's that he was on that dang steamboat a long time ago. Well, what this movie presupposes is he's still on that steamboat, and he's angry.

But like, so that Winnie the Pooh movie, exactly, exactly like does he do it in like weird like animation like like giving looks to the camera like whistling out of the side of his mouth as he's like people up double knee bounce per step and that is how i walk canonically i walk with a double knee bounce everywhere i go but that uh shitty winnie the pooh movie caitlin you referenced that is the first in the class this classic horror movie was made for 100 000 like evidently like every one of the dollars not spent over that is on screen like

yeah no that's just a dude in a mask that like you didn't even bother to get the best mask for this job whoa whoa whoa whoa come on and that movie made $5.2 million because people were just like mad at it.

And so it got passed around. And like the director of one of these slasher, Mickey Mouse slasher movies, this is the direct quote. We actually love the negative feedback because, you know, it just draws more interest. There seems to be, you know, a market for people that want to hate this kind of stuff. And it doesn't matter. Just, if you watch the movie, if you pay to watch the movie, then yeah, that's all we want.

Said the director. Of this work of art. I mean, at least he's masked off about... I don't give a fuck. Why are you talking to me? None of this matters just so out so nihilistic i don't know there is like a thing that i've been noticing just as a trend across media where we no longer distinguish between like people were talking about how viral one of those israel Israeli comedy sketches went.

You know, the ones that like, I guess, Brett Gelman was in one of them and Michael Rappaport. But they're just like super offensive. Like, yeah. And people were like, it's gone viral. These things are like, it's like, no, people, people aren't like laughing and passing it around. Everyone's like, no, people aren't laughing and passing it around. Everyone's horrified at this. But there just does seem to be a way that we're just flattening it out. And it's just like, all attention is...

Not only does it work, but it's just evaluated the same. It's just like, yeah, that's a success. Shamelessly. Mask off. We don't give a fuck. Unless it's a shitty Mickey Mouse mask. I mean, it is and it isn't. It's like, you know, the like,

oh, I like the negative press, actually. That's like, that is like the fifth emotion you have after like, you know, I know it's low budget and it's kind of goofy, but like, maybe this is going to be good. No, okay, but like,

I'm just saying like, maybe this is going to be good. And like, no, okay. But like, you know, I'm just saying like that, that is also a type of just hope. Yeah. I guess. Right. Like it's not untrue, but it's also like,

you know, I'm positive this person's dream wasn't too cynically snatch. I mean, admittedly a decent amount of money, but not a good Hollywood, you know, famous Hollywood director amount of money but not a good hollywood you know famous hollywood director amount of money from this enterprise so yeah they're still disappointed don't worry the way i read it was like he's like yeah man it's great but it could be he said this with like a glassy far-off gaze in his eye you know he's just like feeling his all of his life's dreams dry up

yeah it's still dark like me feel better i mean it's still money i guess we do enjoy money i suppose but it is the thing of like when people are like um yeah I made it bad on purpose. And that was intentional. And it's part of the commentary. And it's like, no, you didn't. You tried your hardest and it was bad. Right. And that's okay. Yeah.

It's okay. You're bad. It's okay to be bad. There's so many people in the world. You're one of the bad ones. It's okay. At least you have money. A lot of people are bad and don't get money.

At least you can do the job that your boss has asked you to do. That's pretty good. That counts for something, buddy. You're going to stay employed. Disney can still totally prevent people from using the early version of mickey mouse on consumer products like the way that people use logos like that it the closer you look at this the harder it is to distinguish like what actually changed because yeah he could still sue you out of existence i think the thing that changed is that like a horror movie there's no way that anyone would confuse that with being something that disney was

putting out and so this is like this legally this is even though it on its surface seems like the most subversive thing to do it's actually legally the safest thing to do because it's the most evidently like satirical yeah i think the thing is, it's like all this ever has done, this shit, is slightly change the risk calculus for litigation with a slight change

in one portion of the copyright law, but other shit is blah, blah, blah. It makes it slightly more of a pain in the ass for them like it it gives your lawyers one more paper they can file that then gets swatted down by the disney lawyers yeah yeah exactly you know that does cost disney money that costs billable hours but like who gives a shit yeah yeah they don't they don't give a fuck they will spend you into the ground

yeah one of the most famous examples of dis Disney threatening legal action over the use of Mickey Mouse wasn't for a scathing parody. And in fact, there is a short film in which Mickey Mouse is sent to the Vietnam War and shot and killed immediately after getting off the transport. And they did not sue that because they were like, oh, that would just draw attention to transport. And they did not sue that. They were, because they were like, oh, that would just draw attention to this. So that came out in 1968. And they were just like, yeah, go knock yourself out. But they did sue three daycares that had unlicensed

Disney murals. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. Because that could be seen as like overlapping. seen as like Disneyland. This is a Disneyland. Take care of Disney branded. That's our end game, you guys.

We will take all of your children into an underground bunker with our characters painted all over it. It's not for you to use. All right. Let's take a quick break and then we're going to come back and talk about the controversy that everybody's waiting to hear about. Whether you wear socks in bed. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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And yeah, as I mentioned, there's a wall street journal article if you sleep in socks you're a psychopath health tip kicks up controversy if you sleep in socks you're a psychopath is in quotes so it's quoting one of the sources from this article but it's this is like a one of those articles that mainstream institutions do sometimes where they you can tell like they are having fun or they're trying to communicate the idea that they're having fun. And there's like it's full of just shitty puns. So this brought to my attention. I started like Googling around like, am I weird for wearing socks in bed? And yes, very fucking weird people are not like there's a reddit thread that is all about this

and you know they're it's full of like aggressive opinions on both sides but like the percentage of people who responded and said they wear socks is like between five and 20 percent of people wear socks in bed everybody else is like what like when i ask people they're horrified at the idea that somebody would wear socks in bed yeah i don't know sleep specialists they think it's a good idea because they apparently if you keep your feet warm then your body has to work less hard at like warming them up and so it actually keeps your body temperature lower to have socks on your feet somehow your body okay because the whole rest of your body is like working to keep your feet from freezing off or something okay okay seems like bullshit but i don't know why especially with this being such a wildly unpopular take i don't know why sleep experts would be bringing this up other than

it's the hate marketing that we talked about before right all right well i'm ready to disclose my habit oh yeah yeah okay so we get a little drum i want to hear this here like a like the little drum roll that they use the little tippity thing they use before they reveal in deal or no deal what's inside the briefcase. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Put that sound effect in. And

okay, this is not, this is so anticlimactic. I will wear socks to bed in the winter when it's cold and my room is cold and I want to stay warm but oh my god the crowd are losing their minds fucking 10 large that that was gonna be your answer but they are socks that are like my specific bed socks i will not wear them around the rest of my apartment i would never like put them in shoes and go out and then like also then wear those into bed anyone who like goes about their day in their dirty socks and then

and then wears those same socks to bed i do believe that those are i do believe you just turned into a southern bell well well i do believe i do declare leg horn now you see i do believe. I do declare. Leg horn now, you see. I do believe that those people are unwell. Yeah, one of the articles I found was dismissive of sock wearing in bed based on the idea that we're just coming from the gym in sweaty socks and hopping into bed. It's like, no, what the fuck? We don't have one pair of socks like the whole point is that they're like dry clean nice socks that you put

on after you take a shower yes here is my my question for both of you freaks though did you is this behavior that was like acquired or did you never have you ever? I mean, I'm sure you've ever. But did you ever like on a regular basis sleep without socks and make a decision to be like, I'm a socksman or socks person? I'm a socksman. That was both inappropriate and just flowed off my tongue. But you know what I mean? Like, has it always been socks

you know no more or less so okay i actually there is so the thing that's interesting to me about this is that there really seems to be a broad like propagandistic push against wearing socks in bed like a one my mom told me like growing, about the scariest nightmare she ever had and blamed it on wearing socks to bed. She was like, and I think it was because I wore socks to bed. She was trying to scare you out of this. But it's just like the Reddit thread has somebody, people are like, I physically recoil at the thought of wearing socks while asleep. I think sleeping with socks on feels grotesque. I sleep with socks when I'm too drunk to take them off.

And honestly, waking up with socks on is worse than the hangover. That person is going to bed with dirty socks on. And then somebody else wrote, 100% of sock sleepers are serial killers. True stat that I did not just make up on the spot. And Andrew, you agree. That is true. Yeah. Yeah.

That one. I will just say I have never thought about it. I just reflexively like don't like like having socks on when I sleep. Okay, I have a few counterpoints. Yeah. One is... Yes, you do. And two...

You do too. Okay. Yes, socks can be gross and can become gross. But also, so are feet and if i was like in bed with someone who had gross feet and they were like rubbing up against me and like they hadn't clipped their toenails and like recently that to me would be grosser than wearing socks to bed second counter point i run very cold i am always chilly maybe that's it and i if i and like i'm also i have like pretty bad insomnia and so conditions need to be like absolutely perfect

for me to sleep it has to be you know not too noisy the bed has to be comfortable my anxiety needs to be at a manageable level i need to be the right temperature and usually my feet are too cold without socks especially you know in the colder months so i like will lay awake all night long if i if i if my feet are too cold yeah because i'm not wearing socks so feet and fingers are the only parts yeah i'm cold everything else about me runs super hot but yeah that is the case yeah i run i run that's what we say about i should i should mention i also am completely nude other than the socks when i just yeah just three socks on okay that reminded me of that flight of the concord song business socks which reminds me of, I think, a more

relevant conversation here is if you wear socks during sex, that is psychopathic behavior. Yeah, because then you also have the garters on because you don't want your socks to fall down while you're having sex. So you have to keep your sock garters on around your knees. Steamboat Willie's back. Steamboat Willie fucks with sock garters on for sure. His dick is out and his socks are on.

And his socks are up. I don't know. I also sleep on my face, so I feel like maybe... I think I have reverse claustrophobia like i need to like be because i think a lot of what people expansive no you need to be i need to be like smushed yeah like that i think of what a lot of people are responding to when i read their negative responses like i didn't get this shit off of me. I don't want anything.

I think that's it. Actually, as we're talking, I think in a vacuum, I will take the socks off in my sleep. If they're on, if in the event that I have, for instance, fallen asleep maybe sooner than I anticipated for whatever

chemically-induced reason. You were on so many glutes. Yeah. They'll wind up off. They'll wind up than I anticipated for whatever chemically induced reason. You were on so many lewds. Yeah. They'll wind up off. They'll wind up sometimes across the room. Your body doesn't want them on. Yeah, it's not my choice, really. It's like a body rejecting a kidney transplant.

Right. Yeah. I mean, if your unconscious body is just being like, get the fuck off of me. There's nothing I can really do about it. Nature has spoken in that case. Whereas your unconscious body certainly isn't going to be like, okay.

It's putting socks on. If I fall asleep without socks, I will wake up with them on. So many socks on? Why do I have three pairs of socks on. If I fall asleep without socks, I will wake up with them on. So many socks on. Why do I have three pairs of socks on? Well, Caitlin, such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. What a joy. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find and follow me mostly on Instagram at Caitlin Durante. You can also go to my website, CaitlinDurante.com for, I don't know, information. I don't know. If I'm teaching screenwriting classes, I list them there and like put the registration links. links and the bechtel cast is going on tour like i mentioned so if you live in san francisco sacramento san diego austin or dallas we are coming to those cities in early february so you can go to link tree slash bechtel cast for all the tickets to the shows there. So come and say hi to Jamie and I, and we'd love to see you there.

There you go. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Yes. I also alluded to this already, but the movie American Fiction that came out pretty recently, I very, very much enjoyed. I think it's super smart and funny. And I laughed a lot. And I highly recommend it. Have not seen it.

My movie watch over the break. My family likes to go to a, and this is crazy, we're a little weird. We like to go see a movie on Christmas. Weird. What the fuck? It's the guy who was so excited about Caitlin's answer.

Oh, shit. Whether she wears socks or not. Just like Heclan. All show. Yeah. Saw Ferrari and the degree to which that movie like apparently before Seatbelts, when there was a

car accident, people were spring-loaded in their car to just like if you ever dropped a pair of airpods like a airpod case and they just like shoot out all like that that's apparently what used to happen to people in car accidents i will say no more but it's pretty wild i haven't seen that movie yet, but I find it fascinating that it came out only a few years after Ford vs. Ferrari. So, like, why all these Ferrari movies all of a sudden? And that it stars... Anyone can make a Ferrari. Yep, there it is.

And that, if I'm not mistaken adam driver is playing very mr ferrari i'm not sure but he's doing like uh an italian accent right yes and wasn't the whole thing with that lady gaga movie gucci right gucci house of gucci ferrari house of gucci where adam driver was also doing an italian accent that everyone was like, why is this a thing? Everyone's really doing a bad job. Yes. Is this like his redemption attempt? Jared Leto really took a lot of

the attention. I see, I see. Full Mario, like, just, it's-a me. It was really funny. This one's definitely, like not not as silly as that one but you do come away being like this is the this is such a strange form of typecasting that he has thrust himself into of like being a italian historical figure who was having marital problems and is the namesake of a still famous brand and who kind of has an Italian accent, but not really.

The Ferrari movie, I thought he was going to be like a race car driver. Like his name promises. But he's just like a CEO. Like it's like very much like one of those. Right, like a business guy, yeah. Yeah, he's just a business guy like trying to deal with an affair and like public feedback and stuff. It's still cool.

I don't hate it. The car races parts are fun. The car races parts are fun. The car races parts are fun. Is it still set in the 70s? Is it still shot on the grainiest digital video camera you've ever seen? No, it's set in the 40s or 50s. Oh, okay.

Yeah, and it's shot just clear. Like it's clear. You can see. There's nothing on the camera. I like his movies that are like shot on that like pixel vision thing that recorded to like an audio tape or whatever. The most that I've watched a movie recently and been like, oh my God, this looks like shit.

I didn't realize it at the time was collateral. I was like watching collateral. I was like, why does this, this looks like shit. I didn't realize it at the time was collateral. I was watching collateral. I was like, why does this look like absolute shit? I think it's just going from whatever he did back then with digital to the high def screens that we have now. It's a little weird.

Collateral was shot on basically actual security cameras, I think. It was something where it was like, yeah, this is the point. It looks like fucking trash. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, basically. Amazing. Andrew, where can people find you?

Is there work media you've been enjoying? Let's see. Two things. One is I have over and over again apparently been saying the wrong date. We're doing a Yosus Racist sketch show, a SF sketch fest show on February 3rd at 7 p.m at cobs comedy

club apparently i have fucked up the promo every time on my own show so please please come see that and work of media sort of uh my friend bootlegged this recipe for miso butter with chili crisp from, I think, Momofuku. And it's two parts butter, one part light miso, just whip it together, chili crisp on it. And then you do the thing with the spoon, where you kind of like go halfway and then turn it and make the little round of the butter, like the little oval-shaped looking thing.

Anyway, that's what I've been doing. That's what I did over every conceivable holiday was spend a quenelle. Yes, thank you, Justin. The spoon thing. You also do it at gelato places, I guess. I don't fucking know. Anyway, that's the media

I've been consuming is, I guess, YouTube videos about how to do that thing and how to do the sputter. There you go. Was that succinct? That was very succinct. That was beautifully put. The work media I've been enjoying, a tweet from D. Sousa with zeros instead of O's, tweeted, Shazam, but for weird noises at night. And I think that's a good idea for an adventure.

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that we talked about in today's episode, as well as as a song i don't know why that threw me so much hey i'm rusty all right this is 2024 as well as a song that we think you might enjoy super producer justin connor is there a song in this year of our Lord 2024 you think people might enjoy? Yeah, this song is by Nujabes. He's an amazing sample bass producer, much like J Dilla. He's from Japan. He unfortunately passed away a while ago at an early age. But this is one of the first ever tracks that he made.

And it's not very easy to find anymore. It's a jazzy remix of one love by naz it's great clean the house music as miles always says so you can check out one love the nuja best remix in the footnotes footnotes all right we will link off to that in the footnotes daily zeitgeist the production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. We are back on Monday to tell you what happened over the weekend

and to talk to an expert. It's going to be a blast. Have a great weekend. Happy to be back with you folks. We'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil.

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