The Daily Zeitgeist - Snow White Disney’s Most Problematic? Biden De(finitely)funds The Police 6.25.21

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

In episode 938, Jack and Miles are joined by Ethnically Ambiguous podcast's Shereen Younes to discuss Joe Biden's plan for reducing gun violence, growing violence in the right's ideology, more nonsensical critical race theory discussions by the right, a GOP politician threatening to send a hit squad after rival, the GOP pretending to care about climate change, Britney Spears speaking out about her conservatorship, the upcoming live action Snow White, Jerry Seinfeld's new pop tart movie, and more!FOOTNOTES: To Reduce Crime, Joe Biden Wants to Fund Local Communities—and the Police Fact Sheet: Biden-Harris Administration Announces Comprehensive Strategy to Prevent and Respond to Gun Crime and Ensure Public Safety The Appetite for Political Violence Is Growing on the American Right Newsmax Guest Says Critical Race Theory Will Lead to Nazi-Style Death Camps for White People In secret recording, Florida Republican threatens to send Russian-Ukrainian ‘hit squad’ after rival House GOP to launch climate caucus Some Republicans Find Failure to Grapple With Climate Change a ‘Political Liability’ Britney Spears Wants End To Restrictive Conservatorship; “I Want My Life Back,” Singer Tells Court ‘West Side Story’ Star Rachel Zegler to Lead Disney’s ‘Snow White’ Remake Jerry Seinfeld To Star In & Direct ‘Unfrosted’; Netflix Wins Movie About Creation Of The Pop-Tart Jerry Seinfeld to Star in and Direct Pop-Tarts Origin Story ‘Unfrosted’ for Netflix The Untold Truth Of Pop-Tarts A Brief History of Pop-Tarts The Bee-zarre History of 'Bee Movie' Memes LISTEN: Mereba - Go(I)d (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of iHeartRadio This is a podcast I'm so violent. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday, June 25th 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien aka. Now this looks

like a pod for me. Hey everybody I'm Jack OB. Gonna talk a little controversy because it feels so good on TDZ. There's courtesy of Rob Cunningham for me, the M&M of the podcast game, you know. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Let's get him up. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I got a sore throat.

Should have got that vax when I was 18. Apologize if I spread diseases that you can't clean. Like, what's up with this Delta strain? We could all fuck our lungs, believe me. And what's up with these doctors? Don't they know I have immunity? That was just a little Drake off the top. Just made that up on the way in.

So I was just like, how can I just get I'm on one? Yeah, so there it is. That's from me to you, the listener. Hello. You collaborate well with Drake. Yeah, just two sensitive light-skinned dudes. There you go. Well, Miles, we are thrilled

to be joined by the very talented artist, filmmaker, poet, and podcast host, who you know from the very great podcast Ethnically Ambiguous on this network. Her first collection of poetry is called Dime Peace and her films have been shown everywhere

from the Vail Film Festival to something called the Mama? The MoMA. And that's some sort of... This is a very big bio. This is the biggest bio you've ever done. You don't have to read all of that. I read.

This is all from top of my dome. We are thrilled to be joined by the brilliant and talented Shireen Lani Yunus I apologize in advance for this No apologies necessary Go Bring Shireen

To life Wake me up Bring Shereen to life Wake me up Wake me up inside I can't wake up Call my phone and I won't answer It's on silent I can't get out of bed So leave me there instead

Save me from the blob that I've become. Bring Shireen. I'm done. I'm done. Amy Lee, fucking quit. We got Shireen in the building. I just needed the background because the song, you just know exactly what song it is. Just hearing like two seconds of it you know that intro just whenever i hear the the build-up to that chorus

it reminds me of like bad magicians who i've seen use that or like or in comedies you've seen people deploy that song so perfectly but yeah there's so much tension in that instrumental are you big evanescence fan or just a fan of that so i So I heard that song on the radio like a week ago. This has been stuck in my head ever since. And I mean, like growing up, it was definitely cool. You know, like during that like gothy phase. I mean, not everyone went through that. Christian goth phase.

But is it Christian? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. I had no idea. I regret this entire thing. I was like, wow, okay okay she's down with his message

it sounds like wait are you serious I have I really had no idea so is it about Jesus the bring me to life is she talking like he's she's Jesus yeah wake me up inside are you fucking with me wake me up no they met at a

Christian youth camp like the people in the band yeah they're so lame it's got it's like goth christian they're fucking dorks okay never mind i think the most high profile troll i ever got was from i think the bassist maybe the guitarist from evanescence who left the band because they weren't christian enough and like talked shit about me and said in some respect I don't even remember the context. I just thought they were cool-ass goth people that loved blue-toed music videos, but now

they're just fucking dorks. They're dorks. They're just spreading his word. Dorks for the Lord, Shireen. I thought all their lyrics were emo, bring me to life, save me from the nothing I've become. I'm like, okay, you me to life, save me from the nothing I've become. Like, okay, you're really depressed.

But now it's all different. It's skewed. I don't like that. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. That's how they indoctrinate us, you know, with their goth Christian nu metal. Wait, so you just weren't right to talk about Evanescence and not about my song? Yeah, the performance, Miles.

Talk about the performance. That's what I told. I said, Amy Lee needs to quit. Oh, right. That was the first thing I said. I said, fuck Amy Lee. I need validation all the time. You got validation.

And the funny thing is, you don't need it because everybody heard it. You know what I mean? It's apparent. I just love that first, wake me up. When you're driving and you hear that,'re like okay okay yeah see well you know what they're trying to wake you up so maybe you'll you go back to church on sunday yeah yeah maybe it's working it's in my head all the time i can't wake up wake me up yeah i mean oof please christ help me i'm spending too much money at hot topic there's something i really related to i think it was either a tweet

or something whatever it's just something in the ether but it was like uh go i want to go back to lockdown because i've spent more money in the last three weeks than i spent in all of 2020 and that's how i feel right you mean like just going out there you're just just going out there yeah i feel that way like I've been to one outdoor. You know Edendale? This is so stupid. It's like an outdoor thing. And I spent so much money.

It was like the first time I had been to a restaurant. I was like, okay, let's go. I don't know. I just don't like how I have to relive that. You're like buying everyone meals. You're like, yeah, send them a whole chicken over there. I love their energy. Cocktails on me.

Yeah. Anyway, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the stories we're talking about. Joe Biden's plan to curb gun violence with cops. More cops. Britney Spears basically confirmed everything the Free Britney movement has suspected in a 20-minute court appearance. Up to and including that she was spelling out help in her eyelashes in those Instagram photos. No, that's not true.

But basically everything else. I believe anything. I did too. I was like, no, I felt like everyone had to be alright. I mean, she does have very cryptic Instagram. I would not put it past her, you know? No, for sure. Like, I'm open to anything at this point.

The Free Britney movement was right about so much that I'm going to listen to them when they start endorsing political candidates. Yeah. Hold on. You never know what might happen with that. They've linked with Q, and together they're an unstoppable political force.

Speaking of Q, we're going to talk about just the growing kind of some trends of violence and extremism we're seeing on the right. We're also going to talk about Republicans attempt to grapple with climate change. That live action Snow White remake, this new Jerry Seinfeld movie about the making of Pop-Tarts for some reason. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Shereen, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Well, believe it or not, my most recent search history is Bring Me to Life Instrumental. So there you go.

It's just right there. Yep. Have you got it? And then a little bit down from that is bring me to life lyrics, Evanescence, because I wanted to make sure I was getting the beats right. And I still fucked it up, but whatever. Don't come at me. I thought you nailed it. Oh, thank you so much, Jack.

Like Jesus was nailed to the cross. For our sins. And we brought him back to life after three days. Have you gotten into any of their other work? That's literally the only song I know by them. I wanted to stay that way.

That's fine. You should check out His Blood Will Redeem You. Oh no, that's not real. That's not. I'm just making that up. Or were you there when they raised their hands? Chris Fung. Yeah. Ah, sometimes it causes me to tremble.

Yeah, she kills it. I guess. I mean, for being a Christian thing that I just learned about 15 minutes ago, the fact that they were so popular is kind of impressive, you know, like, and they kind of like, because I didn't know, I'm sure a lot of people don't know, because if I don't know, there must be someone out there that didn't know either.

But like, that's pretty, what's the word like insidious or like kind of sneaky. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, well, actually,

you know what? That's funny. Now that I read about it, there was a controversy. Okay. So maybe we jumped ahead and i'm sure evanescence fans have been screaming at their ear pods since they've been listening to this okay so here there was some controversy around the bring me to life track because at a certain point a lot of christian

stores are like elevating them you're like yeah man like this is a great band of some you know other believers and they said they did not want to be considered part of it they did say that despite the spiritual underpinning that ignited interesting excitement in the christian religious community evanescence are a secular band and as such view their music as entertainment so just because they're christian or whatever and they believe and they subscribe to his word that's not what they're espousing in their lyrics okay that's fair that's fair i love that we've just been talking about evanescence well when you see a live music performance like we all just witnessed it's hard to think about anything else and so this pissed off so many christian djs that they were like blacklisted immediately when this came out so in a way you

you will not hear bring me back to life or anything on the radio they said one of the people said one of these distributors of christian music said quote they clearly understood the album would be sold in these christian music chant on these stores and sort of just being upset so more like devil nesense i mean i guess that's pretty punk i don't know yeah very. Yeah. But then she like did like the corn unplugged with John from like the dude from corn is now Christian. Are you a huge Evanescence fan? No,

I just did a lot of pills in the early aughts. And so this was like vibey music in the background while forgetting your own emotional trauma. Oh, wow. But yeah, that was, can you hit me up with those pills when you can? Yeah. Yeah. They don't sell

them anymore, apparently. I can send you a really cool Korn Unplugged DVD where Amy Lee from Evanescence comes out to sing Freak on Leash. That and three Monster Energy drinks and you're basically on drugs. You combine those

together. Yeah, Korn Unplugged DVD and three monster energy drinks straight to the dome piece you got yourself a party shereen what is something you think is overrated well did i bring this up already no i don't think i did i think no longer wearing masks is uh overrated yeah especially with this new variant like it's dr fauci was saying that like it's the biggest threat to america containing the pandemic the pandemic my friend came in from new york and like my my other friend and i were gonna go see him he was at this bar called footsies and i was expecting it to be like i don't know not crazy but it was literal sardines like anywhere you went you

were bumping into someone your butt was getting touched like they were dancing and panting and i was like this no i need to leave and no one was wearing masks and it's like i understand i mean i just want people to realize that having the vaccine doesn't mean you're fucking immune i know someone that got the vaccine and has covid and even though it's minor the alarming thing is that he could spread it to someone that could affect them more more harmfully like an elderly person or something so i don't know i just think i'm gonna still wear my mask especially in enclosed like public spaces and unless i know the person and people i'm with aren't are vaccinated i think that's when i feel comfortable taking it off but i'm just like not i don't understand the full 180 people have done and

yeah it's even more i think it's even more than 180 because they're going even harder than before because they just like can't believe they're outside you know what i mean they're like i'm making out with strangers just on the street i felt like in this bar slash like dance area and i was just like chill like i don't i mean it's called footsies, though. You know, it's some hanky-panky. What did you expect from footsies? Fair, fair. You didn't go to Chastity Belts or something like that, which is actually just a really grim bar you don't want to go to. But I would say, I think it's like, you know, honestly, by design. This is part of this push of business owners and everything to create this semblance that everything is over.

business owners and the media everything to create this semblance that everything is over because you can tell a lot of people are having real sort of existential dilemmas about what their lives are post pandemic mid pandemic like what they're what they value and things like that and all of this like yeah don't worry man come on in the bars are open let's get back to the slog don't fucking think too much about you know like your the health insurance you might want to advocate for for on behalf of you and other people like let's just get let's just kind of let's get back to the slog don't fucking think too much about you know like your the health insurance you might want to advocate for for on behalf of you and other people like let's just get let's just kind of let's get back to that thing where the crunch forced everybody to not think about anything and yeah i think a lot of people while i get while you you know if the city and the state is saying like hey man we're good like you know the numbers are low we can we can lift things it just still feels a

little, it just feels very quick. And again, with, especially with the variant that's going around, we've already seen like a version, like in Israel where they're very aggressively vaccinated. The Delta variant is coming up in pockets, not like in absurd numbers, but the pockets are popping up in, in schools because the kids are not vaccinated with that so easily that way you know yeah i think the mentality that bothers me the most is i was working on a set leading up to the day that everything opened up and literally like everyone on set was just like counting down the days where they can go outside without a mask like i just like it was as if like they were getting freed from prison. I'm just like, what do you like? How is your life really changed by just covering up your face?

If anything, I would rather go around like not recognizable and have my space and not be approachable. But the mentality of being like, oh, my God, it's almost here. I can finally get my mask off. I'm just I don't understand that. I mean, I bet you do like on a very human level, right? Like the desire to sort of feel like you're not in danger anymore. Not necessarily specifically you don't want to wear a mask. And like, I understand that sort of base level of like, God, I've been like things have been so different.

I want this feeling where it's a little bit I can just be a little more carefree. Actually, no, that's a good point. little more carefree actually no that's a good point actually uh producer anna and i went to a really nice like house warming party for matt leap and francesca fiorentini yeah and no one was wearing masks they were all vaccinated and i really forgot we were like in a pandemic and that was nice like i i do appreciate that feeling of being like oh wow here we are again yeah but like oh get this thing off of me energy but no that wasn't my mentality it was just like oh i feel comfortable here i think the mentality of like i'm finally free is what bothers me i guess like i feel it may be deep down but it's not my main emotion

when it comes to this and i just think we still need to be really cautious instead of assuming that like oh i'm vaccinated i'm good i can be at this crowded place and on the other hand i don't fucking trust that everyone who's met who's unmasked is vaccinated there's no way i trust that so i mean demographically speaking maybe 50 exactly if you really look at the numbers so even if you're there you're like i mean you could you can damn sure get almost guarantee that a good chunk of these people are not vaccinated. You think the people who are like refusing to wear a mask during in grocery stores during the pandemic went and got vaccinated like they're absolutely not. So those people are just wandering around maskless still.

And again, like probably 50 percent, if not like more, in my opinion, depending on where you live. Right. Yeah. are not vaccinated. And so I don't, I mean, I think it boils down to me just having trust issues. Like I don't trust anyone around me to be responsible. So I'll be responsible. I think that's completely that. Like I was talking to a movie theater here in Pittsburgh recently. And they were like, you're talking to the theater. Yeah. You know, recently and they were like talking to the theater yeah you

know just chatting it outside talking to the wall be like uh so you see anything good lately like sir no i was thinking about taking my kids to a movie for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic and the guy was like well we do require masks if you haven't been vaccinated but i was like oh okay and do we need to like bring our vaccination cards or it was like oh no we don't we don't require that so even though it's enforced yeah right like the honor system like fuck you like that doesn't exist to me like i don't know in this country yeah yeah what is something you think is underrated for you well kind of along the same lines as people are going out again and socializing i think it's underrated to not talk i think what i mean by that is i feel like because everyone's out they're just

like chumming it up and asking all these questions like oh have you been like what's up and we all know the answer to that nothing just like you like i've been doing absolutely nothing i'm a nervous wreck being out for the first time actually if you want to ask exactly so i think a better alternative is just like kind of embracing like a silence every once in a while i think that's far more like bonding and connecting to be like we're outside let's just enjoy like i don't know does that make sense i just think i really despise the small talk and i would rather you shut up and i would rather shut up too than giving you like recycled answers and i think yeah i think the small talk people need new questions to ask each other because like what have you been up to is not a good question to have a therapy processing my grief from the last year like what's the weirdest shit you got into during the pandemic?

Yeah, that's a good question, I guess. I think how are you at this point to me is a crime to ask that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm bad. I've been bad. What was the worst eating habit that you developed during the pandemic? Oh, you know what would be dope? Like a pandemic skill party.

Show and tell talent show. Like, you know what I mean? All the freaky shit that you're up to. You're like, I don't know. I learned how to make this one piece of bread you're like okay perfecting my back bend you know like exactly something yeah yeah oh that'd be great have a little stage set up and like up next with her skills shireen lani unes yes her opens and then i and then i sing evanescence i'm just yeah wake me up inside they're like oh shit she's killing but right yeah like i would rather just like literally sit with someone and like look at the moon and then pretend to have a conversation where

we're catching up and it's literally well what is it about the catching up that you think is is that because inevitably you're gonna have to talk about it just feels recycled or i mean like get real yeah exactly it's either i guess the surface level stuff is what i'm talking about if you're at an event and there are people that are more acquaintances to you and there's like only the surface level conversation that's possible unless they really want to go deep i'm always down to like overshare i have no filter but on the other side down to overshare but i think uh with friends obviously it's easy to go deeper like maybe you've been keeping in touch with them over the year you know like that's easy i guess i'm talking about

now that you're at these like maybe house parties or whatever like park hangs and there's acquaintances around you just like just shut up don't act like just you don't have to try i don't know you like that okay so we can either go deep with this or just shut the fuck up and look at this moon with me. Yeah, exactly. I would rather like, honestly, if someone, an acquaintance just looked at the moon with me, I'd be like, we're best friends now. You know, instead of being like, how are you? Like, I think that's the true underrated. Just sitting and looking at the moon with.

Did you see yesterday? It was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It was like foggy out here, but like full bright ass moon it was really cool yeah it was something else yeah i've tried to yeah it's it's all incremental you know in terms of getting back to like that stuff or on the other hand it's almost like you just want for me and i was talking about this last week when jody abrigan was on about sort of talking more about like

there's so much unspoken fucked up shit everybody went through that on some level i just feel like that's what we're avoiding talking about right you know and i just want to be like i know are you okay like it's almost like that's what i'm like are you okay are you still kind of fucked up from all this and i'm still kind of fucked up i'm like yo And if you're like, I'm still kind of fucked up. I'm like, yo, I don't know. Okay, let's bring it. Exactly. And I'll talk to you later. But I'm just checking where.

Okay, that's fine. I don't need to know. Don't lie to me about like, oh, my God, it's been great. Yeah. And I don't know about anyone else. Maybe I'm just very like I wear my emotions on my sleeve. But there are moments like a very mundane thing will happen. And I feel like I'm going to cry.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just you're outside and someone's just like being nice to you and you're like i don't know i will i'll put the smallest things these days i'll tell you what oh yeah that's why i like that shakari richardson the 100 meter sprinter who just smoked the qualifying to go to to tokyo and then like her post race like the whole thing i was just i was just ruined with emotion oh my god she's living her dream and she's going through so

much this last year and she's still over coming like this shit is easy to cry reach out to us with some suggestions for post-pandemic icebreakers that the ones that you suggested are actually good surprisingly so wow thanks shereen uh it means a lot all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back mtv's official challenge podcast is back for another season that's right the challenge is about to embark on its monumental 40th season, y'all, and we are coming along for the ride. Woohoo! That would be me, Devin Simone. And then there's me, Davon Rogers. And we're here to take you behind the scenes of, drumroll please.

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talk like talk to each other build something do something with your hands like can we go you know fucking collect driftwood and make a bomb bonfire or some shit or can we do a puzzle or just shit that like requires cooperation yeah and like physical activity i've been like whitewater rafting yeah camping i don't know that sounds nice to me if you're like close with someone not acquaintance but my my runner-up underrated was puzzles because yeah i love doing puzzles and doing a puzzle with someone just sounds so much more fun to me than going to a bar i know that's like maybe a dorky thing to say but i would just i love doing puzzles any kind of puzzle yo have you ever done a puzzle with somebody that you don't really know that well like this is like some one night stand or some shit but like you know you

fuck around with puzzles and you know when you're making a puzzle with somebody like you can kind of get a telepathy going where you sort of begin to understand like what the fuck they might be working on over there while you're trying to hit these corners and shit and you're like oh i think this is for you and they start sliding pieces to you and you're like yeah i don't really even know you like this you're just doing the puzzle we call light together you know yeah oh i'm so sorry all right let's talk about joe biden someone who i'd imagine is real into jigsaw puzzles but we don't claim him i don't i don't think he's a puzzled person i don't think it should reflect on you guys as people he's puzzled and also just i can just picture him in

a sweater by a fireplace also working on a puzzle if you're gonna lean into like the you know his senility bit like he's just putting together putting the puzzle together all fucked up and you're like oh shit joe yeah yeah joe this is a 24 piece man yo like and also like the you want the printed sides to be up you can't be mixing half of them down and oh this is not how this works he's cutting he's cutting circles out to like make them fit yeah he's got give me my scissors jill what my? My exacto knife. These pieces aren't fitting. I mean, him just like jamming pieces together that don't fit together is a great metaphor for what we're about to talk about. Because he announced his plan for ending gun violence in America.

And, you know, there's some community-based solutions, which great. Other programs to help support the youth. And then there's just a huge chunk that is giving more money to police. Yeah. In the official breakdown of the plan, like, yeah, there's a lot of good stuff about trying to combat recidivism and finding housing for people who have been who are previously incarcerated and have been released. And a lot of things that people have been like like these are the kinds of issues you actually need to tackle like when you're really talking holistically about like bringing crime down but again because he is definitely combating this like people think he's you know or the right is

going to hit him with like he's trying to defund the police there's a huge huge section like there's things like this from the plan itself quote this strategy will use the rescue plans historic funding levels and clear guidance to help state local territorial and tribal governments get the get the money they need to put more police officers on the beat oh and then he goes on this is not a time to turn our backs on law enforcement or our communities i love that they even they even admitted that law enforcement is separate from our communities you know i don't know like it should all be the same or our communities yeah or you have to oh wait are they are they diametrically opposed to our communities and law enforcement because it's

either or it's oh okay interesting that you see that binary like that talking about putting officers on the beat just like makes you picture a cop who's like part of the community who's like your neighborhood cop who's just like walking on the beat checking in with people that they're like who are sitting on their neighbor yeah right and like that but that's not how policing in america works like yeah the officers on the beat like you're just picturing it's just like yeah it's i'm not surprised but it is pretty wild and like kind of entertaining that he's responding to cries so like demands to defund the police by literally funding the police more you know like

let's fix this police violence by adding more police which means people that aren't trained in anything because it's so easy to become a cop i don't know it's just so backwards just give more people just get more people who didn't make the football team guns yeah and then send them out there that's a good that's a good recipe but is. I mean, for most people who spent the time really looking, having a reckoning with what law enforcement is in this country and what it means to have, you know, real solutions to crime and poverty and things like that. This isn't it. This isn't the answer. And on some levels, like you don't have to defund the police, because let's be real, like, that was more of a like activist view of like like sort of where we need to be headed as a society versus people just weren't getting raises. How about that? Like, it's not that people look and I'm making I'm making 30 percent less now. It's like, well, maybe you have 30 percent less like Gundam gigantic war machines to like brutalize people with. But it's not that you're being defunded. And I feel like you could have gotten through with something like this that wasn't necessarily deemphasizing law enforcement, but just emphasizing these community solutions.

Yeah. Like I'm never once going to be like, oh, Joe Biden's going to give a single cent to law enforcement. That's just not true. No. Yeah. It would be nice to say, like, no, we're really focused on how we solve this from the ground level up yeah i mean i i agree with you i just think like i was hoping i was never i was never convinced that he wouldn't give money to the police but i was just hoping that the majority of it would be allocated towards things that would

actually help the community versus more cops you know like the last thing i thought we needed was fucking more cops i i just i don't know it's just like there are so many other options to put your money towards and i mean you've seen all the graphs where it's like this much in police spending versus this much in education or health care just like that needs to even out or we're fucked like we are fucked already yeah yeah and that and i think most people who are concerned about like this like more cops on the beat thing which is yeah more cops it usually means more like over policing in a minority or you know just low-income neighborhoods and that leads to you know these sort of like mass incarceration events that we've had throughout the years where it's there's just a direct line to being like we got to get

tough we need more cops which really means more people being arrested and imprisoned rather than helping the people in the first place from committing these you know crimes which mostly are crimes of desperation yeah right and also like decriminalizing things that shouldn't be criminalized like like decriminalizing weed like across the whole nation And also like decriminalizing things that shouldn't be criminalized, like like decriminalizing weed across the whole nation, you know, or decriminalizing drugs in general. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing is, too, like just even specifically for this, you know, because this plan is also talking about like we got to get guns off the street. You know, they're using this lens of like the gun violence to curb it because it unfortunately is a blight for people of color in this country.

But he's saying we got to crack down on these rogue gun dealers and things like that. Well, a lot of people like that's not going well. The same thing happened in D.C. in 2019. Same program about like trying to curb like gun trafficking and things like that. Guess what? The police just selectively targeted three majority black neighborhoods in dc and didn't apply this program across the city so it's it's not and they're gonna be like well this is where the activity it's like see and this is the logic that you guys use to sort of reinforce your biases or just out in the open you know hatred of people of color yeah fuck the cops i don't know who just farted at that me okay not at that

i was seconding it because i was farting the okay yeah you're farting at the police farting at the police yeah and then that'll probably get you oh god could you imagine i'm sure we're closest for someone farting on a cop and they're like, yeah, dude, they fucking threw you in jail. He'd be fine, but I can't say the same for you. He'd be like up high, man. That was a nice one,

bro. He would just rip another one. That's bigger. You know, like, yeah, let's talk a little bit about, uh,

right wing violence. Probably like there's been three stories now that we've had kind of marinating on the dock about just like this kind of move towards extremism on the right. So the latest one, there's a OANN segment where one of their anchors talks about how when the dust settles on what he terms as a coup, like threw trump out of power unfairly the only proper recourse would be to execute thousands of people that clip is apparently going viral on like in the queue circles yeah yeah because it's the mass executions sort of threat that they have right and uh then on the other side like in terms of making them believe that they are about to be targeted for mass executions, you have Michael Savage. Have you ever heard him like heard his show? I mean, only clips.

It's wild. who is a conservative radio host who I'd heard when I lived in Missouri, just like ambiently on the airwaves, like on mainstream radio stations, has some very violent, extreme ideas. Here he is talking about the consequences of critical race theory. And I think it's a warning to all for this really just clear analysis. By blood's boiling, listening to Chuck Todd. I wanted to reach through the screen and smack him in the face. Does he have children?

Can you imagine having a little child who goes to school and is told that he's no good, his race is no good, he's evil, his parents are evil, his nation is evil? Yeah, actually, I have. Exactly. I have. Actually, I think a lot of non-white people have in this country.

I'm sorry, but go on, Michael Savage. These are the same SOBs who lectured us for 20 years about don't be a bully. Tolerate everything. And now they're beating up white children in school rooms. And I'm not going to mince words. You can cut me off if you have to. I know you probably agree with me. I can't take this anymore. I hate that. And there's only one solution to it. Sue the goddamn schools if they

do it to your child for child abuse. And you will win because that's the only way to stop this. These children are being humiliated and hurt and damaged for life by a psychotic woman who came up with this lie called critical race theory, which is nothing but racism towards white people. No other race is targeted. I could go on. And I could go on and on. I've studied history. I know where this starts.

I know where it ends. It started in the same kind of thing started in Germany. The Jews were no good. The Jews did this. The Jews did that. The next thing you knew, they were being excluded from from swimming pools they didn't put them in concentration camps overnight i studied this intimately i am jewish i know how this starts attacks on white people is exactly what was done to the jews in germany in the 30s all right let's just stop wow there's just

so much to unpack also i, just from a visual standpoint, something you miss is he goes, and you can cut me off if you want. And then they just give him the full screen. They give him the full screen. And it's like, yeah. He says, but you probably won't because I know you agree with me kind of thing.

And it's like, it's true. I can't believe that's true. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think all of us who, I mean, I've studied history as well. me kind of thing and it's like it's true i can't believe that's true but right yeah i mean i can i mean i i think all of us who i mean i've studied history as well i mean i i did when i was in college when i was learning critical race theory and becoming a communist i remember i mean i think we can all remember the genocides that have occurred that were not perpetrated by the

hegemonic class in a given society? What are you talking about? Because do they understand the power dynamics involved? Because that's not how this works. You're in total denial of hegemony and the idea that what white American culture means in this country, that it's at the top, that everything else is in service to that. So how is that going to be upended in the way you're talking about sir i just love that he was literally describing segregation you know what i

mean he's like can you imagine children not being allowed in pools and this and this being bullied and i'm like yeah this is what critical race theory is talking about is allowing into the history of this country and you're trying not to let that happen what what is i think it also you've proven the point in that you are potentially completely unaware of what this form of racism is like and you're just reinforcing that by coming out and just going like can you believe this stuff like what's going on like, well, that's because you've not bothered to actually pay attention to anything. But of course, because of everyone's egos and things involved, they will not allow themselves to, you know, take a moment to think like, do I have anything? Not maybe directly, but is this a conversation I should maybe be having with myself on some level to understand how oppression works and how maybe I can help others out of it? But I don't think so. I don't think these people are about liberation or equity of any kind. No, not at all. It's all fear.

Yeah. And I think it's there. There's a real danger because this is becoming the mainstream of the Republican Party. Yeah. Well, just one other kind of it's more Republican on Republican. But this Republican candidate for a congressional position in the Tampa area, which is, you know, a very Republican part of Florida, was basically captured on tape threatening to send a Russian and Ukrainian hit squad to a fellow Republican opponent to make her disappear. And I just you just have to wonder as Trump is more and more pushing the Republican Party and like endorsing these candidates who are like further and further out to the extreme. I just feel like this is the sort of thing that you're going to hear more and more of. Not to make light of it, but this sounds like the worst kind of fake tough guy talk I've ever heard, because what is a Russian and Ukrainian like an international hits like all star hit squad? Last I recall, the two countries are in conflict but they found a way to

agree on this issue like oh wait till i send my blood and crip hit squad to your house like what that's a really good point i didn't even realize what that means they're gonna unite to make me what huh yeah i have the ability to unite these two nations. Right. They work for me. Oh, wait till I send my Saudi and Israeli hit squad over to your place. And you're going to be real mad about it. Like, what? Just naming two countries that you think are scary? Wow.

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or control over her safety. It's control over her. The mother of two. Her person. Yeah, control over her as a person. Yeah. And one of the details that came out, we talked about the court documents

that showed she wasn't even allowed to, like, make a decision about painting the cupboards in her kitchen. And she was like put on a two thousand dollars a week uh allowance allowance basically while she was making like millions and millions and millions of dollars for her dad one thing that she talked about in this court hearing is that she would like to get married again and have another child but can't because of an iud she isn't allowed to have removed and it was forcibly implanted too yeah and it was forcibly implanted it's that's so dark it's yeah it's unbelievable and it seems like

the the dynamic was basically if she complained it like for instance there was that time when she had to go to a mental health facility uh she's saying it was against her will. And it was because she like stood up for herself during a rehearsal. She was basically like, I don't I don't want to keep doing this. It's like a choke collar thing where if she complained, if she pushed back, it would just like get worse, tighter. it would get like the control over her would get tighter and like more unyielding yeah i listened i found on instagram a video that the yeah the same as she made it was like they had a microphone and an amp and they somehow were amplifying it to the crowd and she talked about how like yeah what you were saying jack would they purposely would like

take her to like very public places like this place like in west lake that is very like paparazzi you know she's there or whatever and they would take pictures of her crying and like humiliate her to like try to get her to not speak up for herself again you know and she it's just so it's just so upsetting and she said i just want to i want my boyfriend to be able to drive me i want to control my life the iud thing is so horrendous and also just saying that like the people that people that control her forget like she's paying them and she wants them to realize like they work for her not the other way around but yeah i if you listen to the recording it's kind of it's interesting and jarring yeah it's very jarring but she sounds completely different than what she does on her instagram you know like

you see just how much of a front everything has to be and it's just heartbreaking like 13 years is a terribly long time yeah and and it's you can even tell him even in the way she was speaking like it almost like in a way she had made a peace with it because she was like and 13 years is enough you know as if like and it's like oh my god it's actually 13 years too many but yeah but like that's 13 years fucking gone and you are here and again yeah to your point about the difference in the tone of her voice like one is this performative it does make you look at those instagram posts and be like what the fuck is going on because this is not the person who i heard in this statement the other day pleading to get their freedom and their life back and that's i think you'd hope enough people actually come around on

this or at least legally that the right decisions can be made for her to be liberated but it's just it's like it's also just there's so many layers to this from just the mental health aspects and how we use that to immediately just sort of negate someone's ability to or perceive them as someone who has any kind of free will or ability to take care of themselves yeah it's just it's just really hard to kind of watch this all melt down as in real time as it is i mean and like the documentary i mean even just like going back into like your memory of her uh she was a very intelligent like vibrant person you know like there was no doubt that she's like a person that could take care of herself or at least

like speak for herself and i just think it's so sad. Like 13 years ago, she had like and like she was responding to being controlled and being famous, essentially. And instead of being like having the choice to do it herself, like maybe go to therapy herself or like whatever, she became immediately controlled by her bullshit family and never had a chance to. I really do think that they have permanently altered her, whether it was the medicine that she was forced to take or something. I just think it's so tragic because she's two different people from what she used to be. I mean, I can only imagine with 13 years in your, you know, gilded cage or whatever you want to call that situation. It's just like a really, yeah, there's, I don't know what you, it's going to be a long road. And I just, well, I hope that road begins as soon as possible.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to something you kind of referenced briefly there, Shireen, but they were making her take lithium. Like, which is a really. Lithium is so hardcore and it like literally such a powerful yeah absolutely isn't that like a bygone treatment it's it was it's used for bipolar sometimes it's still prescribed for bipolar but unless it was used more widely back in the day and people like oh yeah you don't need to go on lithium out the gate back in the day it was used for kind of a lot of things but now only like bipolar people should take it and if you don't have bipolar it can be really harmful to you because you're not

supposed to take lithium if you don't need it yeah it's just really fucked up yeah i feel like this immediately becomes like just i don't know i can't wait i can't stop reading about this because it's just so many different issues that america has whether it be like misogyny this particular set of laws like miles you were saying just the way that people who have a mental health crisis in their life suddenly become like subjects that we just like dismiss as like you know well there's somebody that like we now have to care for and or if they're famous we make fun of them which is right adds to that yeah uh yeah to your yeah like the that was the thing from the documentary that it was like yeah no that makes total sense that she would have had a

mental health crisis at that point like as just being treated like absolute shit, like being treated, you know, I just feel bad enough to have like a shitty time in your life. But then on top of it, be like, that's the but the world is now talking about it and the world is focused on you having your shitty time like that is that's something most people will never experience in their life and the world caused the shitty time in her life also like that's the thing that i was struck by in the documentary like just being constantly berated and followed around when she decided to actually like have kids the world was like pissed they were like no you're not that's not supposed to be what we like that's not what we want for you so like again the world like the media took control over her life and like we're like this is what we want for you so you like be this person and then her dad basically took over her life and was like this is what people want from you. They want this Vegas thing. So you lose all autonomy.

And it's just a nightmare. But to your point that you made earlier, Miles, if a guy went through, like a public figure who was male-presenting went through something like what she went through, he would never have a conservatorship. He wouldn't be viewed as incapable of taking care of himself you know like i it's it's yeah it's misogyny it's also just i i can't get over i mean i can because it's happened in the past but the fact that it's

her father who has been with her her entire life and maybe like in different ways was controlling her before this even happened but the fact that he's like her abuser and like her um what's the word just like her captor essentially like i just i can't get over that i i i just think it's so horrendous and i i don't know i just really hope it comes to a head and like I'm really glad she was able to speak to the judge, because from what I understood and what I understand, like two years ago, a lot of what she said was like dismissed when she tried to bring it to court the first time. And I'm so glad that the Free Britney movement has become popular, because I really do think that's a factor of why it might happen this time, you know? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we talked on the, when we first brought this up earlier in the week about, like, that whole Southern father, like, the balls that they have with their daughter. Where, like, it's all about, like, taking control over your daughter and your daughter's body. And it's just so fucked up. She's basically like an exchange. Like a transaction.

When you give her to someone else, literally like marry off. She's a golden goose for that family that they keep in a cage. And they're like, just keep cranking out the X. We don't care if you want to spread your wings or do any of this other shit. Like you're here for one purpose. In her court testimony, she said that her father, quote, loved the control he had over someone as powerful as me. that her father quote loved the control he had over someone as powerful as me i'm like yeah i'm guessing he has i'm guessing he can exercise very little control over his own life right yeah it seems like he's acted out vis-a-vis this other right one of the arguments that they keep making

is like uh substance abuse and like that she's had intermittent challenges with substance abuse and misuse. And he's a frequently relapsing alcoholic. He should worry about himself. Anyways, speaking of misogyny, I want to talk about the latest live-action Disney remake to be announced, which is Snow White. We've seen remakes of Disney classics. Has it already been made? The Huntsman thing? I don't know. Right oh is that but is that like action or what was that yeah that was action i don't think that was like from disney i

think it was like based on the original like grim fairy tale but this is like so the classics that have been remade into live actions are like Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid. Aladdin. Aladdin. Like all those, they're classics. Jungle Book. But classics from the 80s and 90s for the most part. Oh yeah, Jungle Book, I guess.

I haven't watched a single one. I really haven't. Not even Aladdin. I can't, I just, I don't know why. I haven't seen one of the live action remakes. Yeah, me either. But not a single one. They're really good. You guys. That's what I that's what I wanted

to talk about. You have kids. No, actually, the only one I saw was Jungle Book and I saw it before I had kids. So no excuse. But this one is the one with Scarlett Johansson. That's what you're saying. Is she in that? Yeah, she's like the voice of the snake the voice

of the snake yeah anyway sorry one of our greatest voice actors also very telling of course anyway sorry i'm a burmese python so snow white is the original disney princess right it's like the first feature-length film that walt Disney made. And it really laid down the foundation for like all sorts of really problematic sort of archetypes that Disney princesses would go on to embody. And I just wanted to talk about like specifically I've rewatched Snow White for an episode of Bechdelcast and for an episode of The Crack Show After Hours that I was writing so I've rewatched it like probably

ten times in the last five years and like it's really a fucked up movie like the character Snow White is like a superhero whose power is her beauty only

to the point that the only way she fucks it up is if she does something. She's conscious. She's at her peak when she's asleep. Wow. She's the most powerful. She's the most powerful when she's asleep and people see her.

But when she's awake and like doing stuff she keeps like just fucking up over and over and over again and then she like will fuck up to the point that she puts herself in a coma or like passes out in somebody's bed and they're about to kill her and then she like rolls over in her sleep and they're like wow she's pretty damn that's completely true i never i haven't thought about snow white in a while but yeah that is dark as shit and like two times like early on when men fall in love with her it's like she's singing while doing chores and doesn't know that they're watching so uh fucking creeps yeah so there's like a voyeuristic element to it yeah yeah she's something to be looked at only and when she's acting on her own like here are the

things that she does yeah when she you know practices autonomy in the movie she flees into the forest and knocks herself out she breaks and enters into like a strange home and then falls asleep in the like septuple bed uh that she's like so almost gets murdered then she like helps them do chores at their house and like is the best like maid that they've ever had so like that's another one of her superpowers and then what is clearly a witch comes to the cabin and gives like asks her to take this apple that is clearly poisoned and she's like okay like just just non-stop makes the worst decisions and then like the good things that happen to her are while she's passed out knocked out in the woods like the animals all like descend on her

and then like decide she's too pretty to eat when she's passed out in the seven dwarves bed they like literally are about to pickaxe her to death because they're like who is this giant in our bed and then she rolls over and that is like the moment where they're just like whoa but it's while she's asleep and then once she's in the coma the prince comes by they they have like her in a glass coffin for some reason uh and the prince like rolls by and sees her and kisses her passed out body which brings her back to life brings her back to life oh it's full circle i mean i do think that now that you say it all like that the glass box is just like she's at the museum she needs to be looked at you know um yeah that is in a lot of ways i think especially for the time it was released

way back when or whatever the 40s right or i don't know i think it was 30s actually 30s wow but in a lot of ways she represents, the quote-unquote most ideal woman. Like, she doesn't talk. All she does is cook and clean for you. Right. She's gorgeous. And it's a depiction of women besides Snow White. Like, the evil queen is, like, it's a butocracy where, like, the fairest, which is just, like, the prett the prettiest woman like rules with absolute power

and like must murder anyone who is hotter than her that is like essentially the universe that it presents so it like gives you the blueprint for like mean girl culture it gives you the blueprint for like misogynistic yeah better seen than heard it kind of drills down that really awful like uh belief that like women are competitive i mean it's true it's very true like women are so competitive with each other and these kinds of narratives kind of enforce that you know like it's oh women just like i don't know they they battle for each other like for i don't know you know what i mean that narrative is just like women hate women which is not true but some people do embody that and i just think these narratives really don't help they just kind of enforce it but i guess the best thing they did

was put someone that wasn't just a like a fully aryan goddess type person to play snow white that's true especially in the 30s or 40s or whatever that's true you know it wasn't some that would have been bad oh i mean just now in this remake like the best thing is like rachel zegler is like casting rachel zegler to be snow white oh i didn't know that yeah like columbian and you're like already the takes are rolling in i was like it's snow white she's not white yeah okay well what you gonna be snow brown yeah no it's like yeah rob van champlin google search that on twitter i'm sure there's already terrible takes i just want to say that's so stupid and white people can really do anything that's all i want

to say they really let white people do everything jerry seinfeld's in a movie about fucking pop tarts right but yeah yeah let's let's get to that because his career continues to baffle me and it's not baffling in the sense that like his early stand-up was like very of the moment and then seinfeld the tv show so just to tell people that the news hook is that jerry seinfeld is making a movie about the origin story of pop tarts that he is like writing and directing my god it is it would like start a bidding war and netflix won and it's so he says it's based on a stand-up bit these uh movie outlets keep referring to this as like a famous stand-up bit he did but it's like from his recent stand-up which none of that is famous it's all good very bad it's all very very

bad wait what what's his what's the bit all right you ready yeah actually no i kind of need you to do it miles oh here we go i was in the supermarket with my mother, and I was like, hold up, hold up. What the hell is that? Fruit-filled, frosted rectangles, and the food is in the shape of the box. What is this? When you open the packet, there's two. Why? One's not enough.

There's too many. That's why. Three's too many. Oh, three's too many. Well, I got too into it i don't understand what this bit is exactly this bit is a satire of seinfeld that that's the whole bit is him just making observations about pop tarts but it's such a movie so bad acting like it's weird that the that pop tarts are the shape of the box okay this is my take so like lots of food are rectangle full no exactly but before he was famous like when

seinfeld was first starting out and like the show his appeal the thing that got him famous or like funny is that he was just commenting on ordinary things like i'm just one of you guys i'm doing this i'm doing that and then he got so ultra famous his new stand-up is just bad because he can't relate to anyone anymore and he reaches with stuff like this being like what do people eat pop tarts okay i'm gonna make a bit about pop tarts like what like yeah you've never had a pop tart had to take their mercedes g wagon and make it bulletproof because protesters want to criticize your zionism what is this you guys can relate wait what you have a fleet of mercedes g wagons that are militarized come on folks is that true i would i would totally believe that no but that is the kind of disc i mean because

he constantly says things out loud and you're like what dimension are you in fool like and you don't you have fully jettisoned off the face of this planet. Some people just shouldn't be famous, that's all. Right. I mean, he's not funny anymore, but he takes that as, like, a political thing. Like, he's then been like, kids are too sensitive today because. And he has this bit that I always refer back to. He went on, like, Leno and was like like i do this great bit where i like talk

about how when we use our phone we're like a gay french prince and he like does like the scrolling thing what in a way that nobody's ever scrolled on their phone and he's like see it's funny even though the crowd is like kind of groaning any comedian that starts with this is a great bit is that's not a great bit he's like i did it at college and they all groaned because they they were offended because you're not funny it's not funny dude it's bad nobody fucking nobody nobody scrolls like that it's not a it's not a true premise like get the fuck out of here yeah you had your time you were funny while it lasted now you're

reaching to try to be relevant and it's working kind of because there was a bidding war for a pop-tarts movie you want to make based on a bad joke like i just it's just that generation of people in the business though you know what i mean like they're all they're all around the same age and like to them it's like an easy thing it's like it's seinfeld i'm like whatever right let's try and bid on i don't have time to discover i think a great inverse i think a great inverse is larry david where like his show kirby enthusiasm or whatever like his whole bit is that he's just a grown like like groany mad old man that's like inconvenience all the time and i think even now that he's rich and famous he still kind of embodies that there's no change as far as like right his persona because the same bit carries and he's still the same guy that wears like normal clothes that yeah i don't

know like he doesn't carry his wealth on his on his body the same way like not physically but like metaphorically he doesn't carry his wealth like on the front of his hand versus like jerry seinfeld being like i'm rich and everyone's mad at me like i don't know everyone says i can't have grills and i'm appropriating that's nonsense yeah i mean look at what happened after seinfeld larry david made like another comedy classic and jerry seinfeld made like a bunch of really bad stand-up and comedians in cars getting coffee where he is the most off-putting like just being like i would have thought you'd have a bigger house why isn't your house bigger you're not rich like you you're not living like you're rich you gotta have a better car right and then all that matters dude yes what's wrong with you how do you keep the voices at bay that tell you you've sold out and you've completely stood for the wrong things at night?

It's all consumer retail therapy. I don't even understand what this film is about. Exactly. It's wild because the true origin story of Pop Tarts is that Post put out a like announcement that they were releasing these things that they called Country Squares because they were very bad at naming things. But they were basically Pop-Tarts. They renamed them to Toast'em Pop-Ups.

Cute. And Kellogg's, but they announced that they were going to hit shelves in like six months. And Kellogg's was like, oh, you idiots, we're just going to steal that. So they stole it. They changed the name to Pop-Tart and Kellogg's was like oh you idiots we're just gonna steal that so they stole it they changed

the name to pop tart to be a play on Andy Warhol's pop art which I hadn't even realized I did not know that yeah okay and they had cocaine in that room right seriously and they had like Bugs Bunny and shit on the box and they just like completely destroyed this post product. So I don't know how that is going to be a story. Like you have to assume they're going to change it to make it like an underdog story or something like that. But then when you look at Jerry Seinfeld's last attempt to make a movie and how completely just inexplicable that was, which is Bee Movie. I'm kind of curious. Maybe this will just be about how corporate greed is good because Bee Movie

was a 2007 film in which Seinfeld voices a bee who falls in love with a human who actually leaves her boyfriend for the bee. There you go. Wait, you didn't read the craziest part after that. She helps the bee and there you go yeah wait you didn't read the craziest part after that she helps the bee sue humanity for stealing their honey yeah what that's tight that's yeah

believe in yourself bees you could pull a lawyer if you want again okay again this just reinforces like jerry seinfeld trying to go back to his heyday times and be relevant. He's thinking of, wow, Bug's life was a big hit. Let me make a new version of that with me voicing the Bug. It's just like, no. And the story is this, is you can be literally insignificant to a human and still pull. I'm still pulling women. Look at me.

Look at me. Look what I can do to be what's kind of a metaphor for his uh relationship with that high school student when you think about it for people who don't remember at the height of seinfeld like the show being a huge hit he dated a high school student yeah 17 years old he's a bad person is this like the like white response to the flaming hot cheetos thing because that's about like uh you know a person of color who's like trying to invent something and he's like what's our version cocktail marketing people stealing each other's ideas make that yeah i'm kind of imagining it like uh what's it called who's the guy that made the west wing again

or aaron sorkin i'm kind of imagining get like that now where it's like we're walking into the office being like we have to do this before they do it's like these big speeches and stuff that's how i'm that that would be entertaining i'm not gonna watch it either way define the way that children eat for the next 40 years and you're in here talking about frosting? Yeah. God damn it, Charlie! Look at the bigger picture here! We have breakfast in our grass. We will control breakfast. I don't know. That kind of stuff.

But, okay, can you read the high... Can I read or can someone just read the end of this page that's highlighted? I just can't... I've never seen or even... I didn't know the plot of Bee Movie until today and I can't get over this because okay in Bee Movie any romance

would end tragically because the character's bee dick would be ripped out of his abdomen and he would die I don't think that's like textually in the film no that was just a bee expert saying bees die after

ejaculation. But I'm sure that's a joke in there. I'm almost positive they made that joke. You know my bee dick. I'll die if I have sex. It'll be ripped out of my abdomen. We can't procreate. You kidding me?

And he still fucking gets the girl. He still fucking gets the girl he still fucking gets the girl and that is tragic yeah i'm glad we talked about that sorry that i made you guys go a little over but i just uh no i'm glad we talked i needed it yeah i needed to hear miles's seinfeld impression i'm so impressed i have never heard your seinfeld it just It just happens sometimes. Wow. Yeah. Jack just, I first did it when he just heard me get really like excited on a phone call, like trying to get a refund for like a cable bill. That's just like my flustered voice.

He's like, that sounds like Seinfeld. I'm like, no, it's Jack Holden. I'm like, what are you talking about? I already paid three months and you're not going to give me my money back? I don't have, I can't really keep it chill when I get excited like that like Jack nurtured this impression yeah he was making fun of me in Miles's house so I'm always listening for material text me he's like so rough refund call what are you doing get out of here you can like you could make a voice memo

Or something of You saying something Insane And put it on mine Just deep faked Yeah exactly Yeah Leaked

Leaked Writer's room meeting For the new Pop-Tart film Yes This guy's gotta fuck more What do you mean There's not one sex scene You're fired

There's a consultation With Andy Warhol I don't know the ghost of Andy Shireen it's been a pleasure as always having you on Daily Zeitgeist where can people find you and follow you thanks Jack

I also had fun this time and Miles I'm kidding it's fun every time you can find me on Twitter at shirohero666 and on instagram it's just shirohero you can listen to me and on this podcast ethically ambiguous anywhere you get podcasts and anything else you can just google me and find out yeah and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yes um okay this is just like defining my life but okay emma ketchum said the key to looking amazing is looking like

shit most of the time so it's more of a surprise that's how i live my life that's so true miles where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray. You know, the other one, the other show, 420 Day Fiancé. We were talking 90 Day Fiancé. Check that one out. Some tweets that I like. Let me see. How many I got in the old thing here?

Yeah, I got a couple. Yeah, this is good. This is one from Doug Exeter, at doug underscore exeter it says parenthetical sees a guy with visible spaghetti vomit on his sweater wow on the surface he looks calm and ready i love that uh another one is from sean clements at sean clements wife pointed out a yard with a bunch of crows in it on our walk today i called it the crow zone layer uh got absolutely nothing not phased and it's not why i do it i do it for me which reminds me of me and her majesty will just roll her eyes into the back of her head also

shout out to her majesty it's her birthday today you know love to you ma you know oh wow we're keeping it thorough and also uh molly lambert at molly lambert this is more of a local thing and i laughed because i'm from the valley but and as is molly apparently david burn from the talking heads just bought a house in toluca lake which is where like bob hope used to live in the san fernando valley and molly lambert tweeted psycho killer toluca lake that's so good i saw that one too i was like that's a yeah that's a banger quesca say quesca isn't that in die hard isn't it something there's an 80s movie some goes come on quesca say forget what film that is like an 80s guy speaking french that's so probably not don't

worry about me i don't think i'm cultured no it's not it's not diehard i only if it did you would have said it immediately and that's how i know it's not dying if any listeners if you know what i'm talking about hit me up with that what's that from where the white guy says casca say some tweets i've been enjoying lucy hubert came up with a good idea She said a workout class called wedding dancing Everyone gets one glass of white wine Upon entering you dance to build me up Buttercup and shout and stuff in heels For the first 30 minutes

Then you get to take them off Get a shot and dance to 2000's rap For the rest of the class I think that's a good idea I would go to that class And then Defcom1Bangs tweeted Normalize me spending $400 Whenever something upsets me Good idea. I would go to that class. And then Defcom1Banks tweeted, normalize me spending $400 whenever something upsets me. Yes, I like that one.

Ah, yes. Wait, there's one more I just remembered. Someone named CommieActivity, they put a picture of a headline from CNN, and it says, California's historic drought is causing drinking water to taste like dirt. Just add lemon, officials say.

And her text was just, oh, okay. Great. Just like that. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a

website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy uh miles what is your recommendation for today okay we are gonna go out on a track by Mereba. M-E-R-E-B-A. It's called Gold. It just has really dope, just laid back feelings. You know, it's a good one for the weekend. You know, just to, you know, if you're going to maybe look at the moonlight with a friend, do a puzzle, keep it less talky, more vibey.

This is a track for you. It's driving my perfect evening. Exactly. So check out Gold by Maba all right well go check that out the daily zeitgeist of production of my heart radio for more podcasts from my heart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that's gonna do it for us for this morning we are back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye.

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