The Daily Zeitgeist - So(ber)cial Media, The Great Fry Debate 2.19.19

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

In episode 331, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Kenny DeForest to discuss how millennials are drinking less cause of social media, official French fries rankings, Trump's physical exams results, Trump's state of emergency announcement, Andrew McCabe's revealing information on Jeff Sessions and Trump, Putin being floored by female Judo champ, Trump's misleading comments about Virginia's new abortion bill, the Irn Bru drink, the U.S. Copyright Office claiming the Milly Rock and Carlton dance aren't copyrightable, Apple starting a streaming service, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. Are millennials and Gen-Z avoiding alcohol because of social media?2. The official fast food French fry power rankings3. Fast-Food Fries, Ranked From Cardboard to Crispy Perfection4. Trump in 'very good health overall' but obese, according to physical exam results5. In a bizarre sing-song cadence, Trump acknowledges that his national emergency will face legal challenges, but expresses hope that SCOTUS will eventually rule in his favor.6. Key moment from Trump's remarks today: He accidentally admits "I didn't need to do this" with regard to his national emergency declaration.7. Andrew McCabe’s disturbing account of working for Sessions and Trump8. The woman who floored Putin! Olympic judo medallist sends Russian leader flying in practice session - but pictures of his defeat are 'censored'9. Trump’s misleading comments about Gov. Ralph Northam and infanticide, explained10. The controversy around Virginia’s new abortion bill, explained11. Abortion12. Irn Bru 3213. U.S. Copyright Office shades the "Carlton dance" while refusing Alfonso Ribeiro's ownership claim14. How Alfonso Ribeiro came up with "The Carlton Dance"15. Netflix Spent $12 Billion on Content in 2018. Analysts Expect That to Grow to $15 Billion This Year16. Apple will reportedly launch its new video-streaming service at March 25 event17. WATCH: Beau Peep - 97's Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi-Maine. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Number 24 for the Seattle Mariners, Zen Spliffy Jr. Also the first baseman for the Chicago Zeit Sucks, the big skrrt, Dank Thomas. Or Chicago Cubs legendary pitcher, Kerry Rolla Backwood for that one-hit pass out. Or strikeout, whatever the fuck he threw that one game with 20 strikeouts. You made up two good ones off the top of your head. The last one, you know why?

Because the last one I just had to come up off top because, again, Chris Yamaguchi made with the two weed baseball references, and then I was just thinking. Yeah. Well, that was good. Thanks, Dad. I really liked the, what is it? Ken Spliffy Jr.? Yeah. Zen Spliffy Jr. Zen Spliffy Jr. Thanks, Dad. I really liked the, what is it? Ken Spliffy Jr.?

Yeah, Zen Spliffy Jr. Zen Spliffy Jr. There you go. Is that a Japanese thing? Zen? Yeah, probably. But I don't really spliff it like that. Okay.

I mean, keep it pure. What is a spliff? Is that? It's like some kind of tobacco. Ah, got it. You know what I mean? Okay. Cool.

Good to know. Now I will be able to talk to the kids in my neighborhood. Now I can finally infiltrate that middle school. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian, Kenny DeForest. Oh, what's up, man? What's up, man? I'm like the leadoff batter because I'm the one hitter. There we go.

Wow, he's actually hitting a one hitter. Wow. He hit a one hititter while holding that note. Wow. Incredible. Thank you so much. Hey, man. Thank you for joining us.

Did I mispronounce your last name? How did you say it? I was too busy keeping that one-hitter joke ready to go. I said deforest, but I'm sure it's deforest. It's either way, man, really. Deforest, deforest. Put a little stank on it if you feel it. I do.

Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to take our listeners through a few of the things we're talking about today. We got a jam-packed episode after the weekend, guys. We're going to talk about whether social media is causing millennials and Gen Zers to drink less and whether they should drink more. We're going to talk about fries, the fry ranking controversy that has swept the nation. And to be honest, that might be the only thing we talk about for the rest of the episode because it is upsetting. Yes.

We're going to talk about Trump's physical, whether he is as healthy as he says he is, his jazz solo where he announced his national emergency at the end of last week, the tea being spilt by Andrew McCabe in the latest White House tell-all. We're going to talk about Vladdy Poots getting dropped on the judo mat by a woman and how he covered that up, all of that. And we might even taste test some iron brew for you guys. But first, Kenny, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

Yeah, so this is, I guess, from last night, man. I Googled lamb meatball recipes. Lamb meatball recipes. Because I'm almost 33 years old, man. That's the kind of stuff I do with my food. Yeah, lamb meatballs. Let's make some lamb meatballs. For sure.

And it came out great. I made it for my fiance and I for Valentine's Day. I killed it for all those interested. What's the spice profile in that lamb meatball? So we had ground lamb, obviously. Right. I covered some breadcrumbs in almond milk, a nice dairy substitute for you. Okay.

Then I mixed in some mint leaves, olive oil, oregano, cumin, a little paprika. Oh, wow. And an egg, of course, to create that consistency. Rolled it up, baked it in the oven for 15 minutes to get it brown, and then you boil the meatballs in your red sauce to finish cooking the meatball. Oh, right. Okay. And I seasoned the red sauce to make it more – because it was just like jarred Italian sauce,

and this was more of like a Greek Middle Eastern dish, so I just put a bunch of cumin and paprika in the sauce to bring out that flavor, and it was crazy. And then we ate it over risotto, and I was like, who am I? Who have I become? Look at you. That sounds like a complete fucking mess, which is how I know that it's like a fancy recipe. Yeah. I could not like.

You couldn't even conceive what he just described. Yeah, the ingredients like oregano. The most complex thing I will put with oregano is salt. That's as dangerous as I'm going to get. But mixing all that shit up together. Yeah, it was wild, man. But it came out good as I'm going to get. But mixing all that shit up together. Yeah, it was wild, man. But it came out good. I'm proud of myself.

And I feel like that's just a lot of what your 30s is about. You realize you can't only drink when you're bored. So you start cooking. Find other stuff to do. Yeah. Do stuff while you drink, like cook. Oh, man. That would always get me in trouble because I would take eight hours to make stuff.

And then once you've been married for 11 years, you will find out what your then wife actually likes of what you make. Because I was like, all right, babe, I got an idea for Valentine's Day. I'm going to make my famous bolognese. And she was like, oh, shit. Damn. But I think it's because it's just very rich is what I'm telling myself. What is something you think is underrated, Kenny? You know what, man?

Crying as a man. Yeah. That's really underrated, dude. Yeah, you were weeping when you came into the office. Yeah, I've been weeping for the last three or four months, man. I got years worth of tears that are coming out that i've been holding back all my 20s out gotta let them shits out dude how do you uh how do you get down with your crying you know it's funny so normally this is what happens to me man as i hold out you know because i'm a man right and i ain't about to be seen out here crying right

so i hold it in i hold it in and Except at the bus stop. I hold it in. And then when something will get me, you know, like an unlikely animal friendship or something. Yeah, yeah. And then once I get going, everything that I should have been crying about over the last year sort of lines up single file. And then I cry about each thing one at a time. So while the cry is going, I just knock them all out. thing one at a time. So while the cry's going, I just knock them all out. That's so much healthier though than

because you're like aware of what you're crying over. Whereas I'll just like cry over a commercial and then be like, I don't know why. And then I have to just like, what the fuck was that about AT&T? I guess. Well, I just found it was healthier than when I did my method in my 20s, which was

drink Jameson until you punch a hole in your wall yeah and then you're like good i think i handled it and then you cry then you use the bill as an excuse to cry you're like oh fuck drywall repairs that much i like just lining up you're like this puppy adopted a possum my uncle right my friend passed away and then you blame whiskey and not toxic masculinity you're like dude i just can't drink brown liquor yeah it's definitely that's what it is and not the fact that i refuse to acknowledge that life is hard and sad uh what is something you think is overrated uh dude ted bundy was so overrated i just watched the bundy. That guy gets painted as like a diabolical genius, man.

It was really just the 70s. And like, they basically begged him to kill those women. I mean, the whole series, he's not handcuffed. Even after he'd escaped from prison once and court once. Yeah. The next time you see him in court, he just got his hands free. He's pacing around like, am I going to get a chance to speak? It's like, dude, you should be glad that you're not cuffed to a chair.

This is insane. Yes. And then he literally was walking up to women going, can you help me load my boat? And they'd be like, yeah, I'm Ashley. And he'd go, hi, I'm Ted. Right. This guy is not a genius. He was introducing himself to people.

They heard him. They had a police lineup. And then for some reason, they were like, nah, that's not the guy. Cops were really, really bad at solving crimes back in the day. It was crazy. That was Lacey's take last week when she was just like, it was just they didn't have technology. He was sloppy.

Yeah, exactly. Nothing genius about him. Dude, he broke out of jail and then they arrested him in Florida and he was like, I'm not going to tell you who I am. And they were like, this guy won't tell us who he is. Should we let him go? All right. You got us. Wow. We've never faced anything like this before. Um, yeah, he like when he was escaping from prison, like he would break out of the prison and like explore the place, like the jail, he would like go into the, um, there was like an apartment above he would like

go hang out there for a while and then go back into his cell he was like practicing like that's how they were just like duh well he's back now so yeah he comes back don't worry yeah yeah and they were like he's so charming it's like no man he's just because here's the thing everyone kept being like he doesn't fit the profile of a killer. Maybe in the 70s, but now college-educated white man that feels rejected by women is the profile of the killer.

Yes. Every time. Right. Every time. I feel like it was just way, way too easy to be a white man for too long. And that's why we have the backlash that's going on right now in the country.

And that's why you had Ted Bundy. Everyone was just like, well, alright. Yeah, I guess I'll help him. I mean, he's not going to tell us who he is. I think immense privilege might be bad for your psychology. Yes. It was all just like everybody was their own little absolute monarch and they just got to be as corrupt

as they fucking wanted. Especially when you tell the cops, like, I'm not telling you who I am. Right. That's insane, right? That detective's like, dear diary, today I met my match. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? So I grew up in the Ozarks, southwest Missouri. Missouri.

And I moved to Chicago after college. And this is when I started to notice this. But it's a myth that racism is like specifically a Southern thing or that the, or that the middle of the country is somehow just like an all white conservative monolith. It's like how people tend to think about it. But like, I lived in Chicago for five years and I was like, the shit y'all got going on in this city is worse than anything I've ever encountered in Springfield, Missouri. I'll tell you that much. Like, how do you live in Chicago and not think, oh, racism is a problem everywhere. Including here. Like I went to Maine on a trip with a couple of friends of

mine. And I mean, Maine is as North as you can go. It's Canada. It's basically, we're essentially in Canada. Yeah. And we stopped to get groceries and we asked, one of my buddies was just making small talk with the girl checking us out. And she was, he was like, so how do you like Maine? She's like, oh, it's beautiful. But the people here are so racist. It was like the second thing she said, it was wild, really jarring. But I was like, yeah, there's like Confederate flags in Maine. It doesn't matter. It's everywhere. Yeah. Right. When do you get an opportunity to be racist in Maine? Isn't it all just white people? Yeah. Well, that's how it works. You know, you go, you see like where the KKK is active. It's like in the woods in Alabama. It's like, look,

I think you guys achieved your goal. You just like in the woods in Alabama. It's like, look, I think you guys achieved your goal. Yeah. I think you're good. You just stay in the woods. You'll be fine. Yeah. I mean, look at,

you know, Paula page, you know, their old mate, their old governor. that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Like these drug dealers name, like shorty Loke are impregnating our white women. Check out the, uh, Boston busing controversy. I think it was the late seventies, uh, early eighties. That shit was the late 70s, early 80s. That shit was crazy.

But yeah, Boston is wildly racist too. Yeah, right. One of those northern cities that gets credit for being progressive. Well, you know what the problem of it is too, man, is because everyone blames the South, white people that grow up in the North absolve themselves. Yeah. Right, right, right. And then immediately enter their problems.

Because at least in the South, there's a level of honesty with it people have to deal with it you know what i'm saying there's like it's in the air everyone knows it everyone acknowledges it right the history is so deep you can't ignore it but then you meet someone you know from new york or sugar that shit doesn't happen up here but then you listen to them talk and it's like bro this is crazy right right right yeah yeah you know all i hear is Dembo all night playing in the streets. We'll go around there. All right. Let's talk about the millennial and Gen Z generation.

I'm guessing specifically it's younger millennials and Gen Z because there is a trend where non and low alcohol beverages are selling more and more, and alcoholic beverages are selling less and less. Yeah. And there are a few studies out there, a few polls, just sort of trying to check the drinking habits of the generations, baby boomers, Gen Xers, millennials, Gen Z. And it says that respondents that were in their teens and early 20s were drinking over 20% less per capita than millennials who drank less than baby boomers and gen xers did at the same age so it's just kind of like the trend i wonder what the comparison is between gen x and baby boomers it's probably i'd imagine maybe the same probably maybe a little less right but yeah i think so uh you know in this article a lot of the things they were pointing to

is that it's most likely social media because now all of these younger kids have grown up with the all-seeing eye of Sauron of social media that records everything into eternity. Right. And want to spare themselves the embarrassment of doing anything too stupid, but we still have Instagram pages like drunk people doing stuff that you can laugh at. I grew up in an America where I thought I would be able to get at least as fucked up as my parents' generation.

And now, no. Yeah, I do wonder how much of it is economics. Maybe it's just because millennials are lazy. Right. And they can't be bothered to raise that glass to their mouth that many times. Exactly. With their dainty hands. The other thing you always hear about millennials and Gen Z is that their anxiety and social anxiety are rising and uh another thing that's been coming out recently is that they don't have as much

sex as previous generation not me dude not right all of this is way wrong they should have interviewed me then man uh but that's i mean there's your problem right there. If you want to... Do you think it might be better access to better weed? Yeah. That's another thing they do say. Weed also has a part into it too. Because I know I don't drink anymore. And a lot of it is social media though because it's like I'm trying to be a professional comedian.

I don't need to be drunk tweeting. Right, exactly. Or just doing stories where it's like a selfie video. You're like, what? And then I try to get a job on like the Daily Show, and they're like, this is the guy you think is smart. Let's check his Twitter. But yeah, because also like weed would maybe also account for less sex, man.

People are just getting stoned and watching movies. They're not building as much. I don't know if it's a myth or true, but in high school you say like, dude, when you're high, your wang gets like 20% bigger. Like when you have an erection, you support better blood flow. I'm pretty sure you just had

a very crafty drug dealer. Yeah, well, I was the one selling it, so I was like the one being like, yo, this will make your dick bigger. Someone else told me. Actually, dude, I was, my connect was like, yo, it's like, it makes, it was just connect was like yo he's like it makes it just

smoke before bro makes it bigger the one thing though i'm curious is like is that a hindrance for kids right like we didn't necessarily grow up at least when i was like in high school in college of like the threat the existential threat of being caught on snapchat or whatever and i think i was carefree to extend i don't know if that weighs on people or if that's just sort of an accepted thing because we live in different times. But in my mind, I'm like, damn, I wonder if that kind of fucks you up, though, too. And you always, there's like this neighborhood community nanny state or surveillance state around you.

There were definitely times when I would get fucked up and then look at pictures from that night and be like, oh yeah i look terrible my eyes oh man dead and like if i was not the only person commenting on those pictures uh then yeah i could imagine that would have been a little extra incentive to uh i also wonder though like because i think i feel like our parents my parents generation and stuff like it was still it was still a deal where you just kind of, you go through the motions of life, right? Where you graduate high school, so then you go to college and then you meet a girl, if you're a man, you meet a partner in college, then you get married, then you start

a family and then you work. And all these things are things that people are just sort of doing and maybe don't necessarily like it, but they're doing it. And alcohol kind of helps you cope with this. Push through that pattern. I think younger people are maybe searching for a deeper meaning in life. And so are maybe more like, well, if I am a freelancer, I don't necessarily need to drink the pain away because I'm not clocking into a factory job that I hate to raise a family that I didn't necessarily want. Right. So less compartmentalizing and more just being aware. Yeah. I think we're more likely to drink some La Croix's and eat a little Molly and be like, what do you think our lives could be if we dream hard enough?

Right, right, right. How chill would it be to be a travel influencer? Yeah, and as you referenced when you were talking about your search history, Kenny, I feel like boredom is like alcohol and sex are sometimes the solution is just boredom, just not having anything to do. And I think now that we have so much more, like we don't mind waiting in lines because we're never, we never have to be bored. And I'm sure that has something to do with it too. It's just like, there are healthier ways to pass the time than getting blacked out. Yeah. And maybe like access to porn at a younger age is messing up our sex drives, you know?

Cause you've been beating off since you were a teenager to the craziest things you've ever seen. And then you go to have sex for the first time and it's just like missionary and you're done in 20 seconds. Yeah. This isn't as cool as, yeah, this sucks.

Oh, Hey, can I bring my laptop in here? There's your solution. Hey, can I bring my laptop in here? There's your solution. Guys, let's talk about the fry ranking controversy that has swept our very nation. So the LA Times released a matrix that basically ranked all the fries on a continuum of the two accesses are better texture, better taste. And McDonald's is in the upper right-hand corner in terms of having a good taste, good texture.

I think Five Guys is probably the highest ranking. Five Guys is ranked number one, then McDonald's, then Del Taco, then Steak and Shake, Arby's, Carl's Jr., Dairy Queen, Wendy's, Shake Shack, and the top group. I don't know, man. I like Five Guys. I get it. The seasoning's good. They use real potatoes.

It feels like a real – it almost feels like it's like a restaurant fry rather than a fast food French fry. McDonald's, I think, is great, but I think there are – I'm just sort of disappointed that there's some omissions on here. This is arguably the worst reporting that LA Times has ever done, and that's saying something! Whoa! Thanks, LA Times. What really grinds your gears

about this fry ranking? I mean, I love Steak and Shake. That was my high school hangout. There was a Steak and Shake we always go to. I love that place. Their fries are the worst part of the place. Come on now. They're like soggy shoestring fries. They're super thin, right?

They're super thin. They have the crinkle cut here. Yeah. Oh, no, that's Shake Shack. I'm sorry. Steak and Shake. Shake Shacks are way better. I mean, I just... This place, this matrix is all over the place. The waffle fries at Chick-fil-A are considered to be bad taste

and bad texture according to this and i just don't know how you can even say that well the one thing i will say is i typically when i have those waffle fries i have to eat them with chick-fil-a sauce i'll never just be like you know what i can just bear like dry eat these fries that's a good point dude i do always dip it in sweet and sour sauce. I always have to dip those fries. And I think maybe that's... In that place at first, I was like, no, that's impossible. But then when I really thought back, does it stand on its own if I just eat it like that? Probably not. That's a good point.

I mean, McDonald's is like the standard. It's like the American standard, I think, for fries, right? Yeah. Especially if you get them a little extra crispy. Yeah. But one thing is that In-N-Out is at the very bottom. Now, some people are like, yeah, of course, it's the worst fucking fry. That's you doing an impression of

me, by the way. No, that's Super Producer Nick Stumpf was also in the same boat, where he thought In-N-Out was shit fries. Oh, okay. Uh, yeah. Uh, In-N-Out sucks. These In-N-Out fries, man, are pretty bad. Is that what it is, though?

No, that's Nick. Oh, okay. baltimore maryland area uh but anyway no i think with in and out i get why some people don't like i don't know if it's the worst i think burger king is the absolute yeah garbage trash i can't believe it's still open yeah burger king in general as a concept yeah i mean like i've never been with someone that earnestly suggested we go to Burger King. I couldn't tell you the last time I ate it. And I have friends that are like, oh, McDonald's, we got to go. Taco Bell. I have friends that every time they see Taco Bell, they got to go.

I don't know anyone that's like that with Burger King. It is true. Like, yeah, independently, there aren't many people who go, fuck, yeah, pull the fucking car over. It's time to have it my way. I mean, if you really like the Whopper, I can understand that. But yeah, there's not that many people who will ride that hard for the,

like the Whopper and their chicken, their long chicken sandwich are the two things that are like decent and they're classics on the menu. But the fries, like everything else is so bad that like you wouldn't like, you can just get a, they're doing hot dogs, half decent hamburger from McDonald's with the best fries.

Also, you know you're in trouble as a fast food franchise when all your marketing is centered around tricking consumers into eating your shit and then showing them being surprised that it's good? Because that's like all the Burger King commercials recently. They're blindfolded like, oh, this isn't bad. And they're like, Burger King? What? Yeah, and it's like, please come back?

Yeah, dude. There's a lot of that going. I remember Domino's had that ad where it was like, hey, our bad for everything we've been doing for the last two decades. And we were all like, wait, what were you doing before? Right. They're like, it's better now. It's like, yeah, but what were you doing before?

Oh, never mind. Don't worry about that. Don't worry. There's seasoning on the crust now, so don't do it. Just buy it. Except they were telling the truth. Domino's is way better now. I wish Jack in the Box curly fries were the representative on this

rather than the regular fries. Oh, you mean for the Jack in the Box? Yeah, as their submission. Also, if they're doing crinkle fries, like Raising Cane's, I know it's maybe not totally national, but their crinkle fries are off the fucking chain. Yeah. It's also like crinkle cut are always better than shoestring right am i crazy because you get

the same salty goodness but then you get a little texture yeah a little more surface area from the jagged edges yeah i mean yeah i still like mcdonald's even though they're shoestring but i yeah i i do like a crinkle cut every now and again okay um the just the Thrillist also released a list and they, so the places there is consensus is that in and out is the worst and that McDonald's is up there. But they actually had Arby's as the best fry on the, on the list rankings. I mean,

look, I think it's a curly fry. Yeah. Yeah. See? Yeah. As a comic who has spent a lot of time on the road eating whatever's at whatever exit, I appreciate the effort that goes into an Arby's French fry.

Yeah. You know, it makes me feel like I'm not just at some truck stop. Right. You know? They took the time to curl these fries. What's the effort that you feel? You know, they season the fry. There's like a seasoning there.

Right, but it's not that they're doing it. It just comes in that bag that they put in the basket. I know. This is what happens. You're reminding me of a back story where they're like, oh, just for Kenny. Yeah, they knew I was coming. They fired up the wood-fired grill.

Wood-fired deep fryer. Here comes Kenny. Throw another log on. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. quick break. We'll be right back. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks.

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And nobody was buying it and still nobody is buying it. But the assumption was that at 240, you become technically obese. So that's why he cut off at that level. But the president is coming around to reality. And now he has admitted that he's put on four pounds. Oh, wow. That's it, right? Yeah, 243. Okay. Which makes him technically obese. I mean, not that that necessarily means anything.

You do not need a technicality or a chart to say that that dude's obese. Yeah, I think also, I mean, they also said, despite that, he has, they said he has increased his cholesterol medication. So that could be a sign of something. But honestly, I mean, so many people are just like, oh, I don't believe it. This guy's going to die any moment, like the way he eats. But I feel he does fuck all for a job. And he's basically in a perpetual state of bed rest. So I don't know if he's really taxing his body like that.

We were trying to figure out if there's ever been a president who has looked less different from day one on the job to where he's at. Because you look at Obama, and he looks like he's doing the slow motion Ark of the Covenant thing. He's just getting aging. Like all presidents, basically, age rapidly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're not working. Yeah, but when you're not weighed down by human empathy, you can really glide through the job.

You know what I'm saying? Fire up the golf simulator. Do a round at Augusta. I was telling my cousin, man, the most upsetting thing, of all the things about Trump that are upsetting, I think his diet might be the most upsetting because at least in other countries, like these ruthless dictator types are eating rare exotic meats. That's part of the reason they're doing all this stuff

is so they can eat zebra cooked rare or whatever. But this dude just eats like a person at a Golden Corral. It's like you don't have to do any of this for that. You can get well-done steak and ketchup anywhere. He's like more fried shrimp. Just all fried shrimp with cheese sauce. Yes, we must separate more children at the border and potentially kill them so that I, too, can eat a very basic middle class meal. Right.

All the fast food. Yeah. Well, you know, just stay healthy, Mr. President. Because I really care. What do you think he actually weighs? I'm curious. Like if someone, you know, there are people who have the gift of looking at somebody and go,

I can almost guess. 273. 273? Yeah, moving on. Wow. I actually have no idea. I'm not one of those people. How tall is he really?

That's the real, we got to adjust to that first. Yeah, is he 6'3"? He is tall. Is he 6'2"? I've heard that he's imposing in person, so probably like a 6'2". People give famous people,

even in person, they're like, he's a giant, and he's like so probably like a 6'2". People give famous people, even in person, they're like, he's a giant, and he's like 6'1", 6'2". But yeah, so I don't know, 6'1", 6'2", and probably 270, I'd guess. And also, not to double back down on my myth about racism being this other thing, but just a quick reminder that Donald Trump is from New York City. New York City? His dad, Fred, who was even cooler. Right.

Who literally looked like he looked at the Ark of the Covenant towards the end of his life. Oh, my God. I was like, whoa. Those guys are like cartoon characters. It's like Tim Burton directed Rich People. Right. His parents are amazing. This is crazy.

Oh, yeah. Mary's hair? His parents are wild. Love them. Yeah, they really look like Tim Burton characters. Is this a scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? People need to go look at that picture. Yeah, Kenny, you were saying that watching the Bundy tapes, you saw some similarities between Trump and Bundy, right?

Yeah. Just the way they talk? Yeah, it was just like when Bundy was representing himself in court. You know, nothing he says makes sense, but he's just saying it with confidence. Right. And it tricked so many people. Yeah. Because it's the narrative of Bundy.

He's like, oh, he's so charming and smart. Right. He put himself in jail. Right. He was so bad at representing himself. He was literally cross-examining a witness that saw him, and he was saying things like, Sal, describe in great detail what you saw that day.

And it's like, that's the last thing you want her to do. She's a witness against you. I saw you murder her. Yeah. Okay. The defense rests. Yeah. It's interesting. Like when you're like, there's the narcissism that, you know, you see on a everyday basis, but then there's like the people who are that next level of narcissism where like their mind can't really function on a moment to moment basis. And it's just all about them. And so like they, it's a sort of gift.

It makes you like crave fame and like actually be good at fame. Right. Right. Right. It also like, it doesn't cohere like nothing coheres. Like the, there are no ideas that are cohering. And we're actually,

so the Donald Trump equivalent of that is when he has a press conference and there are no teleprompters. There was someone in the media, Miles, you were saying. Right, because he was, we talked about how, you know, last week the Democrats, Republicans had a deal to fund the government, no shutdown, but Trump was saying, well well I'm going to declare an emergency so he had a press conference in the Rose Garden and like journalists were just tweeting they aren't setting up a teleprompter for this for this announcement I repeat no teleprompter that means it's time for jazz baby everybody tune in yeah Charlie Parker's in the back getting that re moist. So he would hit that solo. And he comes out.

So again, it was classic. It's like, oh, he had a terrible week last week. Again, you know what I mean? The deal fell apart for the quote unquote wall. You had Andrew McCabe coming out with some real wild tea. There was Paul Manafort being determined that he intentionally lied about his contacts with Russians during the election. Three out of five counts. Yeah, exactly.

And they only needed one. Right. And so naturally, he has to cap it off by just having an unhinged presser. And it was because it was like he was just live auditioning tweets in his drafts folder. And there was no actual news really being said. It was just a lot of like, what the fuck kind of moments where he was like, he claimed he saved like three million Syrians without really attributing it to anything. Let's see. He also said he'll make a deal with China. That's so good.

No one has ever seen a deal like this. OK, I won't believe it. Nobody will. That's right, though. Someone asked him, they're like, you always have these really interesting statistics that never actually adhere to what the DHS has made public. And you cite these numbers that we haven't seen. Like, where are you getting these? And he was basically sort of insinuating that he has like secret data that we don't get. Secret information. He's like, well, I get it from everywhere. He's like, but I have DHS stuff.

Kirsten, you know, you showed me stuff and, you know, you should see the stuff I see. And it was just sort of like, okay. Ted Bundy. That's what Ted Bundy does. I see. And it was just sort of like, okay. Ted Bundy. That's what Ted Bundy does. Right.

Just riff. Right. Just make it up. Yeah. Yeah. And just, you're always the victim. Right. And then people were sort of bringing up at the end,

like, you know, don't you foresee some difficulty with your emergency declaration? Because people are going to contest it in the courts. And then listen to it. This is like the closest we get to him doing like an actual song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Him explaining what the path is,

how he sees this emergency declaration going through the courts. We will have a national emergency and we will then be sued and they will sue us in the Ninth Circuit, even though it shouldn't be there. And we will possibly get a bad ruling. And then we'll get another bad ruling. And then we'll end up in the Supreme Court. And hopefully we'll get a fair shake.

And we'll win in the Supreme Court. I need you up here. They sued us in the Ninth Circuit. And then we lost in the Appellate Division. And then we went to the Supreme Court. I'm sorry. He's stuck. He's stuck, folks.

Dude, someone just comes out and hits him on the side of the head. But anti-skip on your CD player. And a partridge in a pear tree. And the Supreme Court. And yeah, so again, just unhinged rambling. But even he knows that it's going to be difficult. He already foresaw him losing the fight in court. And I'm sure this point has been made,

but is no one going to bring up the fact that he's in construction? That makes this whole wall thing way fishier. I really wouldn't be surprised if that's the one reason he ran for president. Right. To build a wall. It's a billion-dollar project. He owes so many people money. And it's so desperate. that's the one reason he ran for president. Right. To build a wall. It's a billion dollar project. Yeah. He owes so many people money.

Yeah. And it's so desperate. The country clearly doesn't want it. Half the Republicans don't want the wall. Yeah, the 30. But he won't let it go. That 30% does. Yeah, it's so fishy. It'd be like if I ran for president

and I was like, all right, we're going to end terrorism. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to build comedy clubs all throughout the Middle East. Whoa, whoa, what? And we're going to book me to headline. Right. It's like, all right, we're going to end terrorism. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to build comedy clubs all throughout the Middle East. And we're going to book me to headline. I was like, wait, what? And the other ones will broadcast a feed from the venue I'm at to all the other clubs.

And they'll all pay the same fee. I mean, I think with the wall, right, all the people who were working on the campaign, like Steve Bannon, were like, it was a slogan. You know what I mean? It was just meant to be a thing that he could point to rhetorically to get people to sort of support his immigration policy not a fucking literal wall and it sort of evolved over time anyway what the funny thing is though too is as he sort of copped to the fact that he realizes like he may have trouble in the courts defending this he actually just blows up his own defense in it when

he describes it uh you know i didn't really even have to declare this anyway right just listen to this shit i want to do it faster i could do the wall over a longer period of time i didn't need to do this but i'd rather do it much faster uh-huh well i mean i didn't need to do this which is literally undercuts the idea that it is a state of emergency. Right. I mean, just replace this with declare a state of emergency. Yeah, at the same time, it could just be like he's saying, but because it's an emergency, it needs to be done quick.

Sure. I can see the way that he'll defend that statement. Right, again, but he's also constantly just, you know, tramples all over himself he also said that he keeps bragging about how much kim jong-un loves him and uh again wants us to thank him because we would all be dead if obama was still president because uh he was seconds away from launching us into the korean war 2.0 he also said also said Japan was so thankful. It goes, Abby. Prime Minister Abby was so thankful. Abby.

Abby Road. Uh-huh. Because there were rocket ships flying over Japan constantly from North Korea. Called them rocket ships. Little rocket. Oh, yeah. Little Rocket Man. How about that?

Uh-huh. Just rocket ships. Okay. And then somebody asked him what Ann Coulter was going to think about this, and he said, I don't know Ann Coulter. He said, I don't. And then cut to, I mean, she was stumping for him on the campaign. She's the whole reason he shut down the government.

And then, you know, despite this being an actual emergency, or in his words, an emergency that he didn't even have to declare, you know what he did right after? I have no idea, Miles. Fucked off to Mar-a-Lago, baby, because, A, when an emergency happens, you got to take care of yourself. Wait, Trump? Yeah. President Trump? President Trump. When tomorrow, Lago, at an important, when a national emergency.

Now, this is feigned outrage. I knew he would do that. Oh. Anyways, more inside look into the workings of this man's mind and his administration, because both things seem to be wildly disordered. So McCabe, Andrew McCabe, had a pretty good vantage point when he was heading up the FBI once Trump fired Comey. And there's just all sorts of amazing details. I think my favorite is that they told him, like security experts were like, oh, the North Koreans launched a missile and he said it was a hoax. He thought North Korea

didn't have the capability to launch the missiles they said they had launched. And he said he knew this because Vladimir Putin had told him so. We're fucked, dude. I'm sorry. Deeply fucked. I think I'm sorry. Deeply fucked. I think I'm just going to go. Yeah. Let's stop doing the podcast. Well, my plan was to just, you know, during the cover of Night, immigrate to Canada. But then one of the Canadian Zeitgang was like, yo, we're headed your direction soon,

too. We have an authoritarian taking over, too. So, ooh. Oh, man. I guess Mexico? I don't know. Let us know. Where should we come to?

But yeah, it's wild. We also got some good looks at Jeff Sessions just being not all there. Yeah, just very, just levels of racism. He literally said things that Nixon was considered out of touch for saying when he said it. Right. You know, like the whole Irishmen are drunk. It's literally a recorded phone call that almost buried, that was like, help take Nixon down.

Right. And here we are, how many years later? Right. And then you got him saying, yeah, this is from the book. He says, this is Jeff Sessions talking about when the FBI, the good old days saying the FBI was better off when he says, quote, you all only hired Irishmen, Sessions said in one diatribe about the Bureau's workforce, quote, they were drunks, but they could be trusted.

Not like all those new people with nose rings and tattoos. Who knows what they're doing? Yeah. I mean, he could be talking about the generations right there. Yeah. Oh, right. Exactly. The drunks versus the nose rings and tattoos.

And now we're just, you know, fucking peeking off Molly water in the office, grinding our teeth. Hell yeah. But yeah, you know, and then the other things were saying that he, Sessions had real trouble, like, just keeping his thoughts organized. Right. And said he seemed confused about the structure and purpose of organizations and became overwhelmed when meetings covered multiple subjects. He blamed immigrants for nearly every societal problem and uttered racist sentiments with shocking callousness. So if even there was like anyone who is perceived to have done a crime that was brought up,

like our case was brought up in front of him, he'd always be like, where's he from? And they'd be like, from California. Like, well, then where are his parents from? And they'd be like, always trying to figure out this isn't a white person or where is this immigrant from? Right. You know what's so crazy too?

Those people, they always fear that like immigrants are going to come here. Like the big Muslim thing is like they're going to enact Sharia law. You know who for sure doesn't want Sharia law? People that fled it. Yeah, right. That's who definitely doesn't want it. Right. My dream was to come here and to get y'all hip to a new way of living.

Right. Yeah. And I do want to just bring up this. So Vladimir Putin got dropped at the end of last week while like judo sparring by the bronze medalist in women's judo from the 2016 Olympics. And then he had the photographs just removed. Oh, the video is gone of that happening. Like Nike in the A-Rod man boobs photos. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's important that we keep making fun of our president because this is like the people who he wants to be like, don't let that shit go. They will disappear you if you like have even the like a silly looking photograph. If it was like that, this studio would be drone struck. Yes. Quite quickly. I actually just like, is there a way to get to trick Trump into getting his ass beat by a woman? Oh, shit.

And like with the way our culture works, there's no way we would allow that YouTube to be deleted because all of a sudden everyone would just have it and re-upload it. It's on Dailymotion. You can't get it. Metacafe. Be like, Trump, we'll automatically re-up your presidency if you can beat the third place judo champion.

Right. Women's arm wrestling champion. Yeah. Oh, that would be amazing i bet you could right if you had someone like a like a very deceptively strong woman just be like you know pretend to be a citizen and just get under his skin become some culture war figure yeah fire that up a little bit and be like i bet i could beat him in an arm wrestling match i bet amy klobuchar could kick his ass. Anyone could. I bet if

you could just give him a light push and he would crumble. I mean, Hillary probably could have too. Now we're just thinking celebrity death match type shit. Yeah, but I'm just thinking about the debates. He's following, stalking a woman around the stage who he's running against and she just

turns on him. Right, and be like, back the fuck up before you catch these hands. I don't know, it could happen. Think about it, Democrats. But yeah, so let's keep making fun of our leaders because, yeah, like you said, it keeps us from being a full-on dictatorship. As long as we have that, as long as we

can talk shit. And then real quick, because he has gone really hard on the pro-life front. He started leaning on that in the State of the Union a couple weeks back. And then at last week's prayer breakfast and at one of his jazz sessions, he kept talking about this Virginia bill that was going to make it legal for doctors to murder actual living infants. So this goes back to a Virginia bill that was just making it, like expanding the conditions that would allow somebody to have an emergency procedure if it was like a life-threatening or it threatened their bodily health to go forward with a pregnancy.

It expanded the medical conditions that you could then go through and get an abortion. Because I think before you had to have the sign-off of three doctors or something, and I think they made it easier so it could only be one. One doctor, and it expanded it so that it didn't have to literally be about to kill you. It could just be about to really hurt you badly. But have you considered that Trump is a man of God? Maybe that's what's at play here? You're really discounting his faith.

That's true. Because of the men that I know of that have started teenage swimsuit competitions, he's definitely the most Christian. He's up there. But so he's, it seems like he's making a political calculation that this is something he can run on. Oh, yeah. It's him doubling down on the idea of rallying the base.

But I wanted to kind of look at the math on that because I had always kind of assumed that it was a 50 50 issue in terms of like pro choice, pro life. in terms of like pro-choice, pro-life. And it is, if you just ask, are you pro-life, are you pro-choice, it like goes back and forth between, it's in the 40s, both of them essentially. But then when you ask people if they're against abortion in all circumstances, it drops to the high teens, low 20% of Americans. So, which is what I assume pro-life is. You're against all abortions. and that's not a popular thing. Right.

I wonder if those people know. No. It's kind of like how they say, I hate Obamacare, and then they go, well, how are you insured? They go, oh, the Affordable Care Act. Right. And it's like interesting. Oh, shit.

Really? Right. But so I think that's part of this whole tactic where you convince people that this bill is doing something that it's not actually doing because you don't have public, you don't have the majority of Americans who are against what the bill is actually making possible. So you're changing it. You're trying to trick people into being outraged against the thing that is not accurate. But it also shows you what people are willing to believe if someone's presenting to you like these people are going to take a live baby out of a body. Yeah. And then like steamroll it in the alley.

Yeah. And they're like, yeah, I believe liberals do that. Yeah, totally, man. Oh, boy. Like we have an optics problem. They think that belief problem. They think that there's people that are just like super amped to have an abortion. Right.

Yeah, exactly. It's like even the most pro-choice people, like I know people that have had abortions and no one was like skipping to the clinic and then celebrating afterwards. It's like, you know, it's crazy. It's crazy the way it gets painted. I think at one point they said there was a dumpster behind Planned Parenthood where fetuses get thrown. It was like, what are you talking about yeah right but you know this is again i think he realizes 2020 it's getting hot the fucking deal maker failed many times and we talked i think a week or two ago about how his numbers were slipping

slightly with evangelicals right but i think you know he this is a very important part of his base that he has to shore up. So just rebrand yourself a little bit. The other thing that wasn't helping is that both Northam and then another local Democrat basically misspoke in a way that allowed people to make it seem like they were saying that once a woman goes into labor, you could still have an abortion. Right. And nobody believes in that. So just for the record, no matter how radical, lefty, no abortion rights activists, nobody is seeking to make infanticide legal. Only people who are suggesting that possibility are people who are trying to mislead you into being pro-life in all circumstances.

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So after whiskey, this is a orange soda. Yes, I think I'm not sure. I think we should just try it. But first, a little backstory. As you said, it is it's described as Scotland's other national beverage. And I'm not sure even on the thing, it doesn't say what it's meant to taste like. All we see is a man holding up the word brew upon his shoulders like Atlas. That's the dude, right? Atlas? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, let's just have a sip here.

Right. Okay, and let's just see what this Scottish soda is all about. Yeah. Okay. It's a little like Fanta. It's like a vague candy taste. Yeah. It kind of, I almost expect to like, there's like lean in this.

Right? It's like very cough syrupy. It's carbonated melted popsicle is what it tastes like. Or like if you, imagine if you ate like a mystery colored Airhead. Remember Airheads? The mystery one with white? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you take that and you pretend you're like, that's like dip dip for tobacco and you had a bottle you were spitting into with it in

your mouth yeah make that a soda and that's iron brew wow the one thing that uh got me very interested in this is that it has twice the caffeine content as mountain dew oh what oh my god as you guys have this has twice the caffeine of fucking mountain dew yes okay this is my new drink yeah you're talking like five times as much as you normally do. No, man, this is fucking chill, man, because first I was like, I don't know about this drink.

Then I started sipping it and it felt kind of good in my mouth and now I'm like really coming around to it. The other thing, 52 grams of sugar. Yes. 52 fucking grams of sugar in one bottle.

You know how much sugar what they say a healthy male should ingest every day? 37 grams. Woman, 25. And also, that's like an upper limit. They're not suggesting you shouldn't go out and ingest 37 grams of sugar. Oh, right, right.

You shouldn't go out of your way. Yeah, they're not like, yeah. Well, yeah, because sugar is poison, but hey, look, it tastes so damn good. Mountain Dew is, I had a problem with Mountain Dew at one point in my life. And now every time I drink it, I can't stop drinking Mountain Dew. Really? Yeah. You've seen it.

Oh, yeah. That's right. Because you started drinking it out of a coffee cup to trick us. Because we're like, because you all sip it slow like it's hot coffee. And then you burp like you're drinking soda. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? And where'd all the Diet Mountain Dew go? So yeah, shout out to Mountain Dew.

We might have to start ordering this by the crate full. Please suggest other regional beverages for us to taste. Maybe we can make this a thing because I want to get in touch with all your flavors. What's a Canadian soda that we're not hip to? Canadian Dry? Canada Dry. My bad. Okay, yeah, we'll do that.

Canadian Club is what I was thinking about. Ah, yes. All right, let's keep it moving. Let's talk about some other bullshit. The Millie Rock and the Carlton Dance are apparently not copyrightable. No. We've been following this as it wound its way through our court system. Damn it.

Okay, so 2Millie, the rapper, had a song, Millie Rock, you know, a Millie Rock on any block. And there was a dance called the Millie Rock. And everybody knew it came out of this 2Mill, the rapper, had a song, Millie Rock, you know, a Millie Rock on any block. And there was a dance called the Millie Rock. And everybody knew it came out of this 2Milly rap song. And then you saw it on Fortnite. There was a dance that everyone was like, oh, he's Millie Rocking. So 2Milly sued because you're like, that's my intellectual property. I created the Millie Rock and now you're profiting off of this. And even the name of the emote or the thing that the character can do in the game is even a reference to the milly rock okay fine uh alfonso ribeiro who played carlton on fresh prince

of bel-air uh sued 2k games and epic games the makers of fortnite and i think nba 2k uh because again the carlton dance was being used to like for an animated emote for the players uh in i think in those games respectively so i was yo, these are my fucking creations. This came from my brain, and now you're profiting off of it. So they all, you know, I think lawyers felt that they had a case. But the copyright office came down in a shady way, basically being like, it's a very simple dance, and we feel that anyone could do it. And like that these dances aren't necessarily choreographed moments that could be

seen as unique so therefore cannot be copyrighted and it's funny because someone from the copyright office had to like describe the Carlton dance in text so it's like the dancer sways their hips as they step from side to side while swinging their arms in an exaggerated manner right like it's like okay in the second dance step, the dancer takes two. Anyway, so even from there, they were just sort of distilling it down to this very barbaric form and said, sorry. The kid that did the, what's the dance where you move your arms to the side and one's behind you, that kid sued Fortnite, too.

The Flossin', yeah. The Flossin'. The Flossin', yeah. But he had already screwed himself up by saying he didn't mind that it was in a Fortnite. So he was on record being like, I love it. It's like, oh, you love it? Okay, but why are you doing it? And, you know, also a lot of people point out, I think Courtney Cox in that Bruce Springsteen video

may have actually done the Carlton dance before Carlton. Yeah. And, I mean, hers was actually a little bit too cool to be the Carlton dance, but Tom Jones was the originator of the carlton dance and i think the carlton dance was like a riff on tom jones being a shitty dance also tom jones was doing it in originally into it's not unusual because also as i recall carlton was often singing tom jones yeah well that's the song that would come on yeah when you're not on that and you're like oh here we go i think think he was like appropriating something that either he saw people doing or that you-

Always stealing from the Welsh. Right. Well, I think it's, but the point is that he did an exaggerated version of it. I don't know. What's the history of dances being copywritten? I think if it's like a routine, right? Right.

That's when people run into trouble because they were saying like, if it were an actual choreographed sequence of different things, now you have a little bit more of an argument that like that could be something you created versus like a movement of your body in an isolated context. Like just doing the Carlton dance is just like, well, that's just someone like that's hard to choreograph. And I guess you could make a slippery slope argument too that then you could open the floodgates for someone to be like, I was the first one to pump my arm like this. Right. Right.

And now, you know, hello kitty owes me millions of dollars because I did the fist thing first. You know, it's crazy. Yeah. And I think, you know, lawyers for the game developers, they also raise the issue that they're like, well, if anyone actually owns the IP of the Carlton dance, it would be NBC. Right. Because it's from the Fresh Prince, and that's their intellectual property, and maybe you did that on the show, but, like,

they were almost making an argument that it's, like, actually, you don't even have a claim to this. Like, if anyone wants to come at us, it should be NBC. Right. Is that who aired? Yeah. Oh, shit. You forgot already?

I know. How time flies. Yeah, I know. I know. You always say, never forget. Never forget. Fresh Prince was on NBC. Yeah, but I wonder, like, was the Foxtrot ever copywritten?

Was there, you know, like that back when people were inventing, like, ballroom dances and shit? I wonder if people were getting in trouble for that. And, again, a lot of people like to self-own when they get into lawsuits. But Alfonso Ribeiro actually said in the script for Fresh Prince, when he invented it, just said, Carlton dances. And he took that upon himself to do a dance. And Alfonso Ribeiro even concedes that

Courtney Cox from Dancing in the Dark informed his movements. So then we should be cutting Courtney Cox a check because I don't know where she is and I don't know if she's doing well. She's probably not doing very well. That Friends money goes fast. I mean, what? It's been 15 years since you had a check because I don't know where she is and I don't know if she's doing well. She's probably not doing very well. Yeah. That friend's money goes fast. I mean, what? It's been 15 years since you had a check.

Yeah. She got that record setting. That's how money works, right? Yeah. If you don't have a check for a long time, what do you do? And everyone knows being in syndication does not pay. No. I mean, I think what, Netflix paid like a hundred million just to keep it for one more year.

So anyway. So shout out to y'all. But, you know, I think that it still goes to the idea, though, that a lot of these people who are creating things that become these sensations, it's hard for them to actually retain any of, like, the benefits of it being their actual intellectual property. You know what I mean? Where it's like these gaming companies can be like,

oh, let me take this little, like, this popular hood dance and put it in the game. And then, you know, we have an argument to say that even though it's something that is uniquely theirs, but I don't know, there could be someone who said, like, I was the first person to Millie Rock. Yeah. I mean, it is a complicated issue because when you get into, like, the rights of the copyright holder, then sometimes that holds back progress and holds back the ability for, like, things to move forward and influence other things.

Speaking of syndication, too, Fresh Prince is in syndication, so Alfonso's fine. Oh, yeah, he's fine. And the Carlton dance is a big reason that show is popular. So really, he's getting his. Yeah, I think it's 2 milli that I'm worried about. I want 2 milli to get a check. I think at the very least, the fair thing would be, and fairness does not exist in this system,

but just cut them a check. Be like, yo, we love the Millie Rock. Can we hire you to just put the mocap suit on? And then here's a little check for you. And 2K used to have, like, they would put pop culture figures in the game. Right. Like Turtle was in it one year. You could play as Turtle from Entourage.

So just let us be 2Milly, pay him for his his image and a dance, and boom, there you go. Everyone's happy. Yeah. But people just want to, you know, I think when you know that you could win a legal case and you'll just do it anyway, like, what are they going to do? Fucking sue us? We got all these lawyers.

We'll probably win. Right. Yeah. All right, let's talk about Apple, you guys. People at least. Oh, I'm sweating from this iron brew. I know. Let's talk about Apple, you guys. People at least- Oh, I am sweating from this iron brew. I know. It's crazy, dude.

You really were talking. It sounded like I put my podcast on 1.25. This would be like a low-key way to get someone to confess to a crime. Like, hey, can I interest you in some soda? And then they just get all amped up. Like, all right, I did it. Whoa, whoa. I got to tell you everything.

What happened that night? I don't know, man. It it got fucking weird man she like said something about my mom and you know how i get man because my mom she's a single mom you know what i mean i fucking lose it right away and anyway oh fuck anyway so yes apple you know freud invented uh like psychotherapy on cocaine so like it's true yeah he was like staying up all night talking to his friend he was like i don't know man it's just like i feel so much better after i like talk to him talk it all out so yeah we all want to have sex with our moms right okay yeah well that stuff is uh you know can be helpful millennials just think about it no i'm just joking well now with it now with their broke asses don't have cocaine money anymore uh well, here's the deal. Apple, we have all been hearing over the last 18 months that people are like, this company signed a deal with Apple for a show.

Reese Witherspoon signed a deal with Apple. J.J. Abrams and all these people were like, oh, okay. We knew that there was going to be a streaming platform, but we haven't really seen where it's actually going. So on March 25th, there's a big Apple event, seen where it's actually going. So on March 25th, there's a big Apple event and a lot of, you know, Apple people, insiders speculating that this could be the formal announcement of this Apple streaming platform. And because people like Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon and JJ Abrams have all been on like the guest list or invited to attend. So they're like,

oh, these are people who we know have development deals with Apple. Got it. to attend. So they're like, oh, these are people who we know have development deals with Apple. Got it. I'm still not clear how it's going to work when you compare all the other companies jumping headfirst into streaming. I just realized that this year, Netflix is projected to spend $15 billion on content. That's up from $12 billion last year and $8.9 billion the year before. So they're just, yeah, the arms race is out of control at this point.

$15 billion on content? So my guess, worst case scenario for how this goes, is that Apple makes it so that you have to access all of your streaming content through one app. like access all of your streaming content through like one app that you know how like there are certain ways that like all your media gets consolidated into a single app like on apple tv has that so like netflix shows up next to itunes movies and shit like that sure sure sure so i'm guessing that's probably what they're gonna do because right now there's like so many apps and you have to go into the apps to get them apple will make it so all streaming content is basically consolidated into one app their streaming content probably eventually gets like featured in better spots yeah i wonder if

it'll be like uh almost like the u2 album right just suddenly on there right oh because i mean if they try to charge i feel like Apple's already pissing people off. Like, I'm an Android guy now because too many iPhones just died out of nowhere. And I was like, what happened here? And it's like, oh, a new one came out. That's what happened here. Right. You're doing that thing.

So I switched. They start, like, trying to, I don't know. The only thing that interests me is that they have a lot of good names attached to make it. And the whole streaming platform is going to have TV shows and movies that are either funded by Apple or acquired by Apple. So we'll learn a few things. Like if these development people who have been working at Apple know anything, have good taste. Yeah. Because it would be hilarious, actually, if all these shows are just terrible pet projects of these actors and stuff that just didn't go anywhere.

Right. In a grand failed experiment. I'm pretty sure all the streaming networks and Apple have been hiring away all the Hollywood executive talent. Yeah. People have just been wondering, Apple has all this talent and all this money that's going into streaming content or seems earmarked for streaming content and then they haven't been putting anything out. But we'll have to see. There has to be some kind of tentpole franchise or film that is going to get consumers to be like, okay, I'll shell out $10 a month for this too, I guess.

That's the thing. I'm already stretched thin. There's already too much to watch. The only thing I would say is millennials and stuff seem to be getting cable less. So I know if you're still only spending like, what is it? Like 12, 15 a month for Netflix now, something like that. If you got the HD. If you got the HD, something like that. And then, you know, Hulu, Amazon prime seems to be like the Trinity right now. Right. You could potentially get away with like 10 more bucks a month if the content's really good.

But it's like those three things I mentioned, I could watch TV all day every day for the next three years and not watch everything on there. Oh, absolutely. So it's like you've got to really bring it. Yeah. So they're going to have to take away from somebody else because there's already too much content. Yeah. I feel like their move is going to eventually be to just acquire Netflix. Yeah.

That would make the most sense. I mean, Netflix is spending like they're saying like, we're going to be too big that you have to buy us if you want to make your thing better. So we'll see. Yeah, we will. I mean, I'm silently hoping for a disaster, quietly. For Apple? Yeah, I think it would be funny.

I don't know why. They're getting too cocky, man. Yeah, it's just too much. They become the default. And when you become the default, you get cocky and you quit trying. But of all the tech giants, they seem to be the least exploitative. Because we just give them our money, like, rather than them having to

extract it from us by, like, selling our information and spying on us and convincing us to vote for Donald Trump. Like, there's just, like, hey, we sell a thing, you give us your money, and there. Donald Trump. Like there's just like, hey, we sell a thing. You give us your money and there. Like granted, there's some shady shit like, you know, obsolete. What's the thing?

Forced obsolescence. Forced obsolescence and shit like that. But at the same time, it's just like that seems more transparent to me. I'm sure there's all sorts of shady things that they're doing, including like their labor practices. Prepare your mentions in three, two, one. Oh no. Oh God. I've been taken off of Twitter. It just broke my account. Uh, Kenny, it's been a pleasure having you, man. Yeah, man. This is really great. Thanks for having me. Uh, where can people find you? Uh, at Kenny DeForest, D E F O R E S T, the F's capital, but that's just for you to know.

Right. You know what I mean? But that's Twitter, Instagram. I got a website, KennyDeForest.com. I do a lot of standup, man. I got an album, standup album called Bad Dreams. I would love for you to check that out. Stream it for free on Apple?

Yeah, for sure. Stream it for free on Spotify. And then Venmo me some money, man. Yeah, what's your Venmo? At Kenny DeForest. Boom. I'm the only one out here doing it. All right. I'm the only Kenny DeForest trying to have a public life. There you go. There you go. Good for you. That's great. There's so many Jack O'Briens. Somebody needs to take that theater director out. It's fucking up my SEO. Okay. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying Kenny? actually you know

can I just give you he's now deceased but one of my favorite tweets of all time you guys know Harris Whittles? yes so funny he tweeted one time I went on a date last night she was a real butternut squash everything was hot butternut squash

pretty good nut squash. Everything was hot butter nut squash. Pretty good. What was that? At Harris Twiddles? Yeah, Twiddles. Rest in peace, Twiddles. Miles, where can people find you? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. A few tweets I like, actually. I got a lot.

I didn't ask you, man. Alright. Cool. No, let people know man they gotta know they think they think everything is cool off mic in here we're fucking we're one bad recording away from becoming a silence motherfucking vh1 special this is from potsy girl sarah chronically sarah and i don't know who this person is but i just like this tweet. It says, oh, you love me? Please name three of my medications. Another one from Reductress.

Make him cum so hard he stops using his ex's HBO Go login. And one more from at Curtis Cook. It says, this is the new show we need right now, is how white critics say, this show has two brown people and a gay so shout out to that observation shout out to all of them oh here and i'll give you one i just retweeted if you guys aren't following jose canseco oh my oh wow we've been talking about that off mike i'm so glad dude so this is one i retweeted. This is a Jose Canseco tweet. Come spend the day with me and my alien buddies. I'll show you Bigfoot and a real alien.

Call Morgan at 702-374-3735. Yeah. Jose Canseco is gone. He is off this planet. Yeah, he left. Because somebody toured the aliens with him. I know. Remember when I saw that tweet, I was like, should we go?

That would be wild. But then I feel like there is a potential for us to get hurt somehow. I feel like just being near Jose Canseco while the Bigfoot doesn't show up, you'll be like, it was just here. And if I laughed, you'll be like, what the fuck are you laughing at, man? I'd be like, oh, fuck. Yeah, he's scary. And then one more I retweeted while you're looking.

I don't even know who this person is. Melinda Kashner. I was obsessed with Ryan Adams when I was 14. Who knew I actually had a chance? Oh, no. Tweet, I've been enjoying Alexa at PlayNikes. This is a belated Valentine's Day tweet, but she quote tweeted the New York Post,

breaking Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to Queens. And she tweeted and she wrote, we all pulling out of Queens today. Am I right, fellas? Happy V-Day. Oh, that's good stuff. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on, Mile. What's that going to be today? This comes from an artist called Bo Peep, who is from Cheltenham, England. And just like

I know I've heard beats before by this person, and now there's like some MCing going on here. So this is a track called 97s from Bo Peep, and I'd imagine, I'm hoping that's a reference to the Nike Air Max. Great shoe. But yes, this is Bo Peep, and I'd imagine, I'm hoping that's a reference to the Nike Air Max. Great shoe. But yes, this is Bo Peep with 97s.

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