The Daily Zeitgeist - ‘Spiracy Theories Class of 2024 05.21.24

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

In episode 1679, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist, Jared Holt, to discuss… The Relative Danger Of Conspiracy From Taylor Swift To Stop The Steal, The Resurgence Of Q-Anon and more! LISTEN: Cartagena by Reyna TropicalSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

it's tough being tough being lead guitar up there up front yeah we need bass players though thank you for your service so yeah yeah look i love it you get to be the least sober person in the band and people don't realize it i think is what the fun part is playing bass sometimes did you have a bass face did i have a bass face oh yeah I have a bass face? Oh, yeah. When you get like nasty, I would have to be like. How premeditated is the face? This is a question that I always have for musicians. Like when they're coming in, do you practice the face or does it just like come out of you?

If you're a hack. I mean, it's not like I had a face. It was like time for bass face. It's just more like when you're, if something, if you're improvising or something, something happens, you're naturally like. Like you're just. If you yourself are funky, it just comes out of your soul. Your, your face contorts with it. Yeah. Mine's a little bit more like I'm hard of hearing.

I'm like, huh? It's not like SD Haim, like SD Haim in Haim. She's like, like, she's got a full on bass face. Yeah. hyman she's like like she's got a full-on base face yeah yeah to the point that she opened for taytay when i went and saw taylor swift and i was googling in the middle of the thing like is everything okay like is that a tip she was just serving base serving base face giving you base face base face Bass for that ass. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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i listen to so many podcasts like going to sleep that's really the only time i have to listen to podcasts so just put them on and if someone did that to me i would not appreciate it so i apologize if i just woke you up you can go back to sleep it's tuesday may 21st 2024 you know what that is may 21st actually not a lot a lot not a lot a lot not a lot happening today. It's National Strawberries and Cream Day. That's one of my favorite songs. I love that you referenced it as much as you do. Hey Marie. Yeah. She was at

same college as me. She was in college with you? Yeah, I guess. I learned this after the fact. My wife was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She went there and was just like left early because that song was blowing up as we were in school wait and she was at she

was your classmate i don't know what year she was but she was there yeah she's born in 80 1980 what the fuck okay i'll hear with black Korean icon, Amory. Okay. B deal. That just completely threw my momentum up. Oh, but not a lot. A lot though is national strawberries and cream day.

It's also a national waitstaff day. Shout out to people out there having to fucking deal with the fucking impatient customers. Pretending that you give a fuck. Also national memo day. I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing just the idea of a memorandum as they used to call it memo yeah oh a memo yes um my name is jack o'brien aka so so so so so melly balls please be mean extra mean because

because i'm gonna pay it so so so so melly balls please be mean extra because I'm going to pay it. So, so it was yeah anyways great ref shout out to charlie sorry sorry i fucked up the phrasing a little bit but you know caught a whiff of my smelly balls and it just fucked me up a little bit anyways thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray yes it's miles gray the lord of of Lancashire, North Hollywood's finest. And also just what was I going to say? I forgot. Oh, the latest fan of the Challengers score. I've just been listening to that score a lot.

I can't go wrong. Just who would have thought some like industrial electronic music goes so pairs so well with tennis scenes. But anyway, shout out to everybody that's been saying uh to check it out especially super producer anna who now i can say i've seen it i've seen it and i know and i know yeah and i know and of course i do know now we both saw it over the weekend you've seen you've heard of course we know and of course we have seen it and heard it uh miles we are thrilled to be joined by today's special expert guest he's a senior researcher of u.s hate and extremist movements at the institute for strategic dialogue to quote samuel l jackson holt onto your butts oh it's the return of holtamania

the holster is in the house so holtster your weapons it's jared jared jared jared hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold we're not done jared there's a second hold on i feel like I was off there. Give me one second. Hulk, Hulk, Hulk. What's good, man? Oh, man. Good to have you. Things are good.

It's hard to complain too much. It's warm in Chicago again. Oh, Chicago. So it's nice to go outside and see things start to grow and walk my dog along the lakefront, which he is crazy about. But yeah, it's been good. Thanks for asking. What do you mean? Like he's rabid?

So when he sees bodies of water? Rubbed away? Yeah. Yeah. Because we're just loving it generally, just excited by the sheer fact of the water. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. Is he loving it? Oh, he goes crazy.

He loves to smell all the weird stuff that washes up on the shore of Lake Michigan, which a lot of stuff washes up there, the shore of Lake Michigan, which a lot of stuff washes up there, like kinds of fish you wouldn't expect. Like what? That's probably a good sign. Like there's a lot of like crab looking things that wash up and maybe I'm just showing my own ignorance over bodies of water, which I will fully talk to. But yeah, he just goes crazy.

He runs in circles, goes nuts for like 10 minutes and then uh my wife and i he usually carry him the rest of the way but he loves it yeah wow like that like that metaphor or that story about christ just it was you on the beach carrying him yeah and then do you make him look back at his footsteps and tell him? Me and mom. Oh, man. I'm glad you're here because the Donald Trump NRA speech drifted into Q-Town. And I was like, oh, we're still playing that music again. So I'm glad you're here to be able to talk about that.

He was definitely on a bit of a Q-tip on that one. Yes. Yeah. He could have been on a Kamal the abstract sort of wave that's a deep that's a deep q-tip cut for all my tribe call quest fans out there yeah but i'm sure that was that like getting people excited on the old q internets yeah some of the q anon influencers which is such a weird thing to say yeah like the Like the same way we think of like, oh, I'm like a spirituality influencer. Right, right, right.

Just like, buddy. I've read a lot of posts and you're in safe hands. Don't worry. Those are my spiritual influencers. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them that I still like kind of keep an eye on from the QAnon heyday were like, oh, it's this music again.

QAnon heyday, we're like, oh, it's this music again. And it's interesting to see this make the rounds because during the 2020 campaign, you know, at Trump rallies, this music would play and all the Q people would get like really pumped up about it because it's the song by, you know, it's uploaded on, I think it's SoundCloud or a YouTube channel or something by somebody who is just like straight up q-pilled right and or appears to be i guess i should say and so they've always been like look this is this is for us this is our music this is our anthem and the trump for us by a campaign has just been adamant about like, no, it's just a song. And then reporters are like, well, how'd you find the song? And they're like, ah, and next question, you know, and for all the flack they got for using that song four years ago, it's definitely. I mean, this was like somebody's conscious choice was like, we're going to play this song again. Right. Yeah. Oh. And he's going to pause for 30 seconds to just like, let that shit cook.

Let that shit fucking man. Let everyone baste. Yeah. Marinate. Well, yeah, I'm glad you're here because I have many questions about that and generally what we're looking at this fall. I also like to just coast off of the vibes of people who are in Chicago during summer because they have to like trudge

through like Andy Dufresne crawling through shit to freedom. Chicagoans need to trudge through eight months of pure shit to get to really like one of the best places to be during summer months, spring and summer months in the world.

Yeah. Yeah. Chicago in the summer is like my favorite place on earth. Yeah. It's really great. Yeah. Wow. Now I must go.

Have you been Jack? Surely you've gone. No, I've never been. I just, uh, you know, I've seen Ferris Bueller and I feel like,

I saw Ferris Bueller. That shit looks cool, bro. Shit looks tight. Always a summer. All right. Well, we're going to talk more about, theories, your recent paper about not all conspiracy theories created equal. Some more alarming.

Some deserve more attention than others. But before we do that, we do like to get to know you a little bit better by asking you, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are or what you're up to uh do you have a warrant for this question no we got a warrant for this one what are some of you recently screen screen capped on your phone oh yeah we're also we do have a warrant for that yeah uh i'll go with the google search all right i've been getting sort of back into watching stand up lately. So I've just been trying to remember like all my favorite comedians and see what they've put out in the last couple of years. Right. The most recent one I watched was Conor O'Malley's Stand Up Solutions.

How I saw him promoting that. And I was really curious. How was that? It's so good. It takes a very like weird, almost kind of dark twist at the end, but that's very Connor O'Malley, the standup comedian,

the guy who used to just scream at people on his bike on fine. The people on wall street, those are the best. It got weird at the end. Can you believe it? Huh? Huh? Huh?

So unlike him. Yeah. No, but it's very good. So the Google searching has been fruitful so far. Yeah, yeah. Have you come across any bummer ones? That you're like, I used to love this person. And then you look and you're like, oh, fuck, man.

No. Hey, what's Louis C.K. up to? I used to watch all his stand-up specials, but I haven't been catching the latest. Where's he at? That dude just been in the lab for the last seven seven years oh man i can't wait to see what he comes up with well i looked up i guess a lot of people like that uh shane gillis guy sure sure they really do and i i mean he's like good but i i don't get the hype yeah so i well i guess that was like a disappointment for me it's like i the way you see people talk about him online, you'd think he's just like the funniest dude alive.

But I don't really get it. I don't know. Yeah. I know like people are like, dude, he came at like Andrew Schultz and like fucking pwned him. And then people are like, and he also got canceled off SNL. Like there's like this like lore behind him too that I know. Him getting canceled off SNL was a big uh big big boost big boost that's and they say it's like the best thing that can happen to you as a comedian

for real yeah lose a job yeah right exactly and then you can go to austin texas and then you're the new king controversy lose a job controversially some people just like quietly get fired after one season right right that's no fun for them. They fired me. They canceled me from SNL because they said I was not funny. They're like, oh man, we got to support this character then. But yeah, I am in my ghillie suit, which is my Shane Gillis t-shirt

and matching shorts. All over print Shane Gillis t-shirt. What is, what's something you think is underrated? It's warm again. So I'm playing golf again. I think golf is underrated. It,

it rightfully so has a reputation as this like very stuffy boys club, but in the last like five years, especially the game has grown to be like a lot more inclusive. There's all this, like I, maybe I i'm you know too cynical but i hilarious like conflict between the pga and live golf and like the pinnacle of capitalism like coming down to take it to its ultimate end and stuff and like but the golf is uh has changed quite a bit like as a game and culturally, I think.

Yeah. It is very hard, impossible to master, and a good excuse to spend four to five hours outside. 17 hours in my case. I'm not very good at it. How are they changing? Are they hitting it with the stick end now? What's changed about how we're playing golf? You get two balls and you stick them together.

Tie a string and then just whip them around your head real fast and let it fly. It's just wild even to see one of my favorite rappers, Schoolboy Q, he started getting into golf heavy. And he's just like yeah started going on the tour he's like i made more money golfing than i did rapping and he's like yeah it was racist but you know you kind of find your community you get through it and i was like wow it like when i saw people like that like la gangster rappers also like no man i'm really fucking with golf now i think that you say you made more money what he said he made more golf this is a quote

he said he said he didn't rap for five years because of golf because he was like lucrative i didn't make that much money off rap i made a lot of money off rap but i would say golfing helped me a lot in times where i probably needed it i made a lot of money off golf like a lot from connections on the golf course and offers so i don't think he's necessarily oh okay he's saying like being in that world just like somehow became very don't think he's necessarily... Oh, okay. He's saying being in that world just somehow became very beneficial to him. He's like... Jared, I'm not going to lie.

This is making me hate golf more. It's just people... Because that's the thing you always hear. They're like, yeah, it's just you're out there. You're making business deals. You're just getting drunk. Walking around the park. Those are not the people I play golf with.

Yeah. Jack, we go out there, we're like, all right, we're ready for some deals. Ready for the business deals. Hello, my good man. I'm here to golf and make some money. Is that you? Yeah, man.

Keep it moving. I was very hopeful. We've long talked on this show about the fact that in some ways, especially in the city of Los Angeles, golf courses are just the best parks the city has to offer, but ones where we're not allowed to go to them. And it would be cool if we just said fuck golf and like took them over. we just said fuck golf and like took them over and i was hopeful that it was going to be a generational thing and that people would you know well once all the people who play golf now aged out like they wouldn't be replaced but i know so many people who just right on cue like they hit 40 and they're like yeah no i golf now all the time what are you talking about why don't you of course i do getting out Well, then top golf too. I just need to go to, I haven't swung a club

since I was pretending to be Tiger Woods when I was 13. So I think I would have fun just smacking the shit out of a ball, but the other parts that require patience and skill? No, no, no, no. Yeah. I'm going to start, going to try and start a revolution against golf just because every time I hit it, it like curves off to

the right. I'm like, fuck! It's a fucking golf spult. What? It's classist. But it is classist as fuck. That's crazy that Schoolboy Q is like, yeah, man. I own like 15 car

dealerships now. It's wild. It was like on this, I think, interview on Lil yadi's podcast or something but yeah he is he is out there but yeah even the way he talks about like just his experience it's it's very it's very eye-opening uh for any schoolboy q fans i must listen amazing and then he came back and just effortlessly dropped a classic so it's like i guess it's not bad for the soul like i thought it was no no dude good for your bank account too bro fuck you i'm just gonna go out there you really sound like the people

i know who have started golf i'm going to fuck it i'm going to i'm going to see because i can't go in a country club i'm gonna have to go to like the public like like griffith park or some shit and they're like bro i can't help you with anything unless you need uh like air conditioning repair my cousin can hook you up for maybe like 10 percent that might be my miles you're gonna start golfing and then the sponsorships for the show or they're gonna go from like whatever they are to like wells fargo is yeah right yeah yeah rather than like the errant michael rapaport podcast ad showing up on the fucking ads. It'll be like, you know, when I'm out on the links, I like to use my links.

And it's still a Michael Rappaport ad. When I'm out on the links, my good friend, Michael Rappaport. What's up, my good man? Just Rappaport. That's what we do. But yeah, who knows? I mean, look, there's already a very, uh, iconic Blasian, uh, in golf. They're like, remember, remember this? What about this guy?

Except he sucks. And that could be me. That's my link. I'm like Tiger Woods, except I suck at golf. Except I fucking suck bad, dude. And I just, that's how I talk. They're like, Oh, up to the T is miles gray. I'm just panicking.

I'm like this fucking stupid ass fucking club i'm probably gonna fuck this up anyway yeah you guys can talk i don't care you can talk i don't care but fuck it up anyway tiger woods except bad at golf is just like a really low level of swag oh yeah that's that's tough what is uh jared what is something you think is overrated being good at stuff but i think especially with social media and stuff a lot of our brains have kind of been rewired by different like cultural technological whatever forces in society to seek a lot of our validation outward so i think when it comes to hobbies like art or sports or whatever it is i think a lot of us you know at least speaking for myself here can feel pressure to be like good enough or like past a certain baseline at something to feel like it's worth my time or

worth doing but i think that you know collectively we have to lean into kind of sucking and stuff which you know going back to golf i kind of suck at golf but i have two man me too you know i saw shit out there yeah i heard that i'm not good i mean me either but but yeah i mean i think just just doing stuff for the joy of doing it i think right is important and can be easy to lose sight of especially uh if you're like me internally online and right you know well yeah i know like so many times like people like when you start something they're like oh are you good at it you know like oh i started like playing this or starting like oh like what are you gonna put an album you know like there's always like this thing of like

the sort of assumption is like you're doing it for some kind of success a lot of especially in la when you tell people you're trying some new shit versus being like no i'm merely just experimenting with something an activity that activity that may bring me pleasure. I'm hoping that it does for sustained periods. I'm divorcing myself from what the results are of it. I thought it would be fun. Yeah. Right.

Turns out I suck shit at golf. And I kind of like that I piss off all these people that I'm holding up behind me. Yeah. When it takes me 17 strokes on a par 3. It gives them more time to do deals. Yeah. Exactly. They should be thanking you. I'm a facilitator.

That's right. I'm a facilitator. Yeah. I'm just a ringer. I'm actually pretty good at golf. You're allowed to pick it up and throw it, right? Where you want it to go. Is that?

Yeah. Yeah. You're allowed to. You can. Have you ever played? When was the last time you played golf? I was not terrible when I was in my early 20ss but i was always playing on like part threes and shit just like close to my house and right and got a hole in one on one of those and then stopped no

you did it you fucking liar on a part three yeah i did swear down swear to swear to god up and down oh my god and then i well you have to just quit after that it was so uh it was so lucky that i spent like three minutes looking for the ball before i looked in the hole i was like oh you were really like no way yeah there's no way yeah damn i had no idea i'd done it how you have mini golf suck fucking suck yelling at my kids. Fucking place. Fuck Castle Park, man. Fuck that place. Fucking bullshit, man. Yeah.

Fucking bullshit, man. What the fuck? I hate that one that's shaped like the old Civil War fucking fort. That shit's stupid. I've never been on that mini golf course. Oh, Jack. I've been there, but not done the, I've never played around. Oh, man.

You should join me, man. I got a good group of dudes, man. We go out there swinging the rubber golf putters and we do a lot of deals. I have about a six-pack each on the back nine. Six-pack each of Orangenas.

That's mini golf, man. You're not supposed to do that. That's right. No, Orangenas, man. Orangenas. We're not breaking the rules. We do things above board. You know, we're business people

We're business people, man Alright, closing so many deals on the back nine Of the, uh, mini golf course Castle Park mini golf Right off the 405 freeway, yeah, yeah, yeah I was like trading, uh Pokemon cards Made a killing

Yo, legit kids are trading Pokemon cards cards over there like in the where the lunch tables are yeah all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about conspiracy theories i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades.

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It's an official, and it's about the fact, something that I feel like we've, that's been coming up more and more recently, that not all conspiracy theories are created equal. There are some that are very dangerous, but they're not always the ones that get the most attention. So just wanted to like kind of get you to talk broadly about where the kind of impetus for this report was coming from. Like many things I write nowadays, it's equal parts trying to be helpful and also just my passive aggression at the national news and the way they cover the stuff I research. Yeah. So generally, conspiracy theories and sort of how prevalent they feel like they've

become in discourse especially political discourse is important on the whole but the premise of this piece is basically to say that even though that bigger picture is important and all the conspiracy theories like make up that bigger picture, it doesn't mean that like people saying that the Illuminati is using Taylor Swift to flush the Superbowl is equally as important as, you know, the same conspiracy theorists accusing some random no, no name election worker of being a pedophile in that person's life being turned upside down by freaks on the internet yeah so it's like there's a power imbalance that you

you kind of comes up throughout the report that like a lot of the theories the the one that jumped out to me because it's one that we've talked about on this show, is the Boeing whistleblower thing, where whistleblowers keep dying. And everyone's having fun, half-jokingly, while waggling our eyebrows aggressively, mentioning that two whistleblowers have died while while they were like about to testify and then like just unrelatedly linking off to the michael clayton meme or the mic not meme the michael clayton scene where a corporation like murders a whistleblower where they they tase that dude and then they shoot him up between the toes yeah shoot him up between the toes. Yeah. Shoot him up between the toes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like on the one hand, like it seems like, I don't know,

pretty, pretty huge accusation to make. On the other hand, I'm not as worried about Boeing. Like, I don't think our problem as a society is Boeing, not like getting too much scrutiny personally. Like that doesn't seem to be the main problem,

but I guess I'm curious, like, where does that fall for you on on the uh list of like conspiracy theories to be monitoring and concerned about yeah so it's kind of conspiracy theories where yeah we all wiggle our eyebrows and wait for the other person to be like right i actually believe this though yeah you too right like you know yeah just keep going but like yeah but like wouldn't it be crazy if then somebody pulled up the banking documents for this and right right sir i told you we don't have a 12 in that shoe i was just back there so yeah all right so so i always think about like like power balances and then also like, who is the victim of a conspiracy theory, right? And maybe that's victims the wrong word, but like, this is, I mean, what happens? We all form a negative opinion about Boeing, their corporation. break for the stock price of Boeing and or you know how people feel about their airplanes or

whatever I think if you know those kind of theories started singling out you know like a specific lawyer and then all of a sudden like 200,000 people are hyper fixated on this lawyer and sharing their addresses and stuff like that can get a little bit you know then that would kind of get into the territory of like oh maybe we should keep an eye on this because this could actually like cause some trouble to this person who as far as we know could just be like you know totally innocent or whatever it's just like people are coming up with things online to say about it yeah so this piece is really more about like those power balances like you pointed out in considering the impact of conspiracy theories, I think there's a lot of conspiracy theories that exist in sort of a gray area,

like truth-wise of like, this certainly doesn't look good. It looks a little weird. And it might be fun to talk about or explore or like, you know, but that's not something I like really, it's not like a place i really try to go in this piece because it gets like a little you know complicated to talk about and it's maybe more of like a sociology question of like why do we enjoy this but sure but yeah that's that's kind of how i think about it i tend to think stuff like that is you know generally benign or harmless in the grand scheme of things.

Right. Yesterday, we talked about how Trump is needle dropping these Q songs at his rallies. And for me, I feel like the slow creep of this has sort of like flown under the radar, this latest needle drop, because like at first it was this thing that like yeah it might be tied to q and then he's started just like playing it during his speeches like on purpose like in a like music would start swelling up in a movie in a weird way and like at first that was like jesus well like what is happening this is so strange and now when he does it and like stops for a minute to just like let the music ride, we're just like, uh-huh. So like this feels like we have a presidential candidate who, if the election was held tomorrow, would win or would be very close to winning, who is embracing what is ostensibly a cult with him as the figurehead.

Is that one of the ones that you feel like we need to be worried about? And if so, why or why not? and are very close, if not, you know, I mean, like you pointed out, Trump very well could win this fall. It's like very much in the cards. I tend to think he probably will. I hope I'm wrong. But to have that kind of level of power indulging conspiracy theory like QAnon, which has driven, you know, several individuals to violence throughout the years, I think is worth caring about because it's getting the blessing of somebody from a position of high power, which means that, you know, if we think of conspiracy theories like that, particularly some of the more deranged ones like QAnon that have potentially more grave implications for the people that get

caught up and targeted by them. You know, if we think of that as like a numbers game, then getting on stage with the, you know, potentially the next president, you know, it's hard to think of a bigger, more consequential platform than that. Right. And what, like, you know, just kind of watching the ebb and flow of q anon like obviously they it's things subsided as you know the drops uh became less and less frequent and then like stopped completely then you see sort of like it popping up i just saw an article that you shared about how like q anon references have been like just resurgent on like on twitter recently and looking at even like what trump is doing like in 2020 i remember we were all

like oh shit you're really doing this to try and like get as many people behind you for this re-election push as possible and like winking at the q anon people have been like yeah come on y'all right like here's my like come on down under this big tent and we can do it all together. Is it like, you know, from what you've seen, is QAnon still like at this level where like this is sort of why Trump's doing this possible to sort of go all in on my re-election campaign. Because maybe I can then turn that into a potential January 6th type sequel. Or is he only winking at them because he can't remember the phrasing? So he's like, where we go once, we go always. Many are saying.

We go one tanamera. He's winking at them because he thinks they're kind of cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love your shoes. Love your shoes. I mean, I think it generally kind of lines up with both of the previous Trump campaigns and what is shaping up to be this one as well, which is, you know, put on a show for the freaks and let them kind of do the work of drumming up a larger base of support. You know, Trump has done this from the very start on immigration rhetoric, taking like much harder lines in sort of restrictionist positions than other GOP candidates in the

field were at the time, and still has some of the most extreme immigration policies that, you know, are floating around the GOP. So, you know, between just like thumbing back through the Trump campaign prior iterations, but the interviews with Alex Jones, the praising of like nutjobs like Ted Nugent, the getting dinner with the lips of TikTok lady, lady you know it's like very much this effort to cater to and sort of bring along anybody who is going to be ride or die for him so i think his affinity for the q anon people i don't think he's like deep in the weeds. I don't think he knows about like QDrops or, you know, really like truly knows

who any of these people are. But he doesn't know about QDrops because he is Q and doing the drops, right? So like he doesn't even think about them as drops, right? Is that what you mean? Right. I'm just trying to read between the lines here. To say that he knows about him would be underselling it.

You know what I mean? He is, Jared is waggling his eyebrows at me if uh just like yeah no but um but yeah i mean i think generally you know he he doesn't meet supporters that he doesn't like and that's right you know tries to give him a little pat on the head and scratch to keep him going. In terms of QAnon more broadly, it's certainly not what it used to be when the drops stopped. You know, a lot of that energy went elsewhere. In 2020, it was like starting to spill into anti-vax stuff. It continued to spill there. A lot of it spilled into election denialism more broadly. a lot of like die hard q people you know kind

of looked up and went okay well maybe the president wasn't posting on 8chan for me to read right right you know it's about the friends we made along the way right and uh you know sort of the line in those spaces for a while was like okay it's not literally true but you know it opened our eyes and got us ready to see the truth or whatever yeah so a lot of these people have spilled over into like your local gop office or right school board you know some of them like went through the broken windows at the u.s cap capital building and right you know went to jail for that and so the movement evolved i don't think it ever really died that study that i shared from news guard sort of redid this methodology that i did in i think it was 2022 or 2021 uh where i was looking

at some of the catchphrases that you used to think about as like, you know, there's the flag that says, I'm a Q head, where we go on, we go all, right? Trust the plan or whatever it may be. The storm. Yeah. And those were kind of rolling off when I did that study. And to see that come back up, I thought was sort of interesting. I think it's definitely an incomplete picture of sort of what has happened in that movement more broadly. But it'll be interesting to see if, you know, with this campaign kicking back up, if we do see sort of a return to form for some people. If they're like, okay, well, you know, they're looking around and they're like we played the you know lgbtq people are

demons thing what what other greatest hits do we have right right you know i mean they might they might pull this back out the songbook we don't know yet but yeah it's interesting the core belief of the q stuff is that we're all pedophiles right like isn't that like one of the main ones it's just you jack it Jack. It's just me in particular. They do have some pretty detailed stuff. No, but I guess that's one, like there's this New Yorker article that we talked about a couple weeks back that is about this idea of misinformation

and kind of puts forward this idea that like some of the misinformation, like some of the Q stuff is people like not literally believing it like you just said it's not that they literally believe it it's more that they believe it in the way that like a catholic person believes that the bread of the communion is like actually the body of jesus but like they don't expect blood to start like running down their mouth when they like put it you know when they bite into it they yeah i think that's the perfect way

to put it yeah yeah they just believe it as a you know the way a religious person does and in those cases the more outlandish the belief like that this is where like speaking in tongues comes from right like in certain christian faiths it's like the more outlandish and wild you can go with like the thing that you're saying you believe even though you don't technically like adopt it as part of your reality and like physically interact with it the more outlandish the like more people are like wow that person's like going hard you know like that like you get they're going hard for q yeah yeah they're going hard for q but then like it does i keep waiting like once i found out okay there's this cult that likes a lot of their beliefs when you like pull out the like selected readings of like q drops and then like the things that people

are writing about q would suggest that they think they're at war with like Satan and like people who are like worshiping the devil and like want to kill their kids and drink their like the adrenochrome and so I'm always like whenever there's like a mass shooting or like something of that nature I'm always like well this be Q. Like, it feels like the sort of thing that if people actually believe that we'd be seeing a lot more horrifying violence in response than we are actually seeing. So I guess that makes me wonder, like, where Q actually falls on that spectrum? Like, is it something that people are just like, this is like a fun thing that I talked to with my other weird friends.

We hate Joe Biden. And this is a fun way to like channel that hatred. And we like think Trump is funny. And that's a fun way for us to channel that. Or is it something that's like, and I don't expect anybody to have the answer on this, but I do think it's an interesting conversation as to like whether, you know, Q is going to rise to that level of being a justification for really horrifying violence. Like you're saying, like juxtaposing that with like great replacement theory or something where people truly adopt that as an ideology. And I mean, I guess I should point out that like we have politicians spreading stuff like great replacement, like you just mentioned, Miles. But as horrifying as they are, mass shootings are not happening because of it every day. And the same thing with QAnon. There have been instances of like really nightmarish violence. I remember a few years ago, I think it was a surf instructor in California took his kids down to Mexico and just slaughtered them because he thought they were like lizard people or something.

So it definitely can do that. Lucy, which is, you know, trying to encourage, you know, writing kind of directly to a news audience here, trying to encourage like more open thinking about the role that conspiracy theories have in people's lives. You know, they, like any other form of media, they offer all kinds of non-material things to people, you know, and it's not just like pure information that must be debunked it's also like an expression for the people that believe it of like identity and philosophy and meaning and like these more abstract kind of like front brain kind of stuff yeah that that know like uh well actually the the new york times said that was false and then people are like what what okay eight of the things that you just cited in that paragraph got more than three pinocchios from the fact checkers of the washington post shit yeah you're averaging four pinocchios my good man

yeah so yeah so it's you know i think trying to think a little bit more openly about, like, what theories like that can mean to people. To some people, they can be very literal. To people, especially people who are having, you know, some sort of mental crisis or have inclinations towards violence or, you know know other dire sort of personal situations they can be justifications for really terrible things right to a lot of people they can be entertainment to some people it can be like a quasi religion it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people and the point that i was trying to make in the article is it's worth thinking about those kind of implications or like what that might mean beyond just like what a lot of coverage of conspiracy theories and big publications tends to look like, which is they're saying Taylor Swift is gonna, you know,

get a sniper rifle and shoot the ball and deflate it. And then the Super Bowl is gonna be ruined. Yeah. Whatever, you know, and then being like bowl is going to be ruined or yeah whatever you know and then being like damn that got a lot of clicks is there a lot of americans that think this is true and it's like right but that's not like what you're linking off to it in your massive news publication by the way it's like right yeah we the stupidity of other people, like, in the abstract, is, like, a myth that I feel like we want to believe in as Americans. Like, we want to believe that if you can tell people that, like, a big group of people is believing something that, like, seems incomprehensibly, like, almost unbelievably stupid, like, they're going to eat that up. They love to believe that

it's just generally when you talk to those people not true that they actually believe yeah i mean i've talked to like especially when i was doing more like on the ground reporting stuff i would just go to like q anon events and talk to these people and these a lot of i mean some of them were not the you know sharpest tools in the ship but a lot of them most of them i would even say were perfectly smart people but had like their intelligence had taken them into like nonsense land so it was a perfectly rational belief in things that were laughably untrue does that makes sense yeah i mean there's a study about people who are being deprogrammed from cults when you like give people iq tests who have been in cults like they score on average higher than the rest of the population because the theory goes that

they're able to bend their mind around and like construct more complex counter arguments for more comprehensive and bizarre systems of belief like basically they would make good lawyers because they're intelligent and being a good lawyer means you can construct a good defense of like anything in your mind this kind is that's kind of how i've always thought about that factor like made sense of the fact that people in cults tend to be smarter on average than the average person but yeah i mean that's that's one of the reasons my golf game suffered like i was telling you i took one little trip down to havana started hearing some weird stuff man ever since keep slicing the ball.

That's one that I don't think people would technically think of it as a conspiracy theory because it's openly coming from 60 Minutes and the Department of... I guess it's less and less coming from former Defense Department officials. Oh, the Havana Syndrome stuff? Havana Syndrome. It's like, I got a tummy Defense Department officials. Oh, the Havana syndrome stuff? Havana syndrome. It's like, I got a tummy ache. Yeah, yeah. My ears are ringing, and my memory's bad. I'm 73. I'm 73, and I drank an entire bottle of whiskey last night.

And I woke up, and I feel terrible. To make the voices stop from all the people that I've had a hand in helping the U.S. Army kill. Maybe or maybe not. I don't know. It's fine working or maybe not. I don't know. It's fine working at the CIA. I don't think that had anything to do with my mental stress, man. But yeah, when it's going from the U.S. military to Cuba, I feel like that power imbalance worries me a little bit.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. And we're back. We're back we're back and so we've already talked about taylor swift conspiracy theories maybe not being the most dangerous damaging thing well that's just like jared's opinion man right yeah yeah we're still i'm sure taylor has a very different opinion about this. Oh, she does. These teardrops? They're fucking wild, man. A.k.a. the three albums she releases a year. I mean, I'm sure it's... Anytime it's a private individual, that's scary.

John Lennon can attest to... That's fucking... Probably pretty scary. But what are some other ones that you see? We've covered conspiracy theories of all sorts. What are some others that you feel like got too much media attention? I think conspiracy theories about the collapse of the bridge in Baltimore after a shipping vessel hit it. Right. Yeah.

That's just called bad regulations. There was one post I saw that had like 10,000 retwe vessel hit it. Right. Yeah. Let's just call it bad regulations. There was one post I saw that had like 10,000 retweets on it. And it was just like evidence of a detonation on the bridge. And it was just the footage of the collision in slow motion. And I probably spent like 15 minutes watching this trying to figure out what this person thought they saw. Right. And I couldn't figure it out, but it's like something shoots off the side.

It's like, yeah, that's a cable snapping or like part of the structure breaking. It's like, um, could have been, could have been something. It's like,

why is the boat moving so slow? And it's like, cause it weighs like a gazillion pounds. Right. Right. It's not a fucking jet boat. Yeah. That's like, i guess sort of a small local news version of 9-11 conspiracy theories where it's like the the bad guy in this case

is like diffuse or the president of the united states and so like going back with our old rule of thumb of like who is being targeted slash suspected in the conspiracy theory if it's like just the man or something like that well i feel like that's how conspiracy theories sort of used to be it was like shadowy figures behind the scenes in smoky rooms were, like, pulling the strings. And, yeah, that feels a little less harmful than this woman I took a picture of carrying ballots from the counting room. Yeah. The librarian is part of a satanic plot. Oh, 100%. And the librarian's like, what?

Dude, there's three sixes in her license plate. In a row? No, but just, well, technically there's four sixes I saw, but I mean, that's got to be something. But I think, too, there's also this thing with conspiracy theories. Like, because so many people have these sort of fucked up, weird, racist ideologies or whatever, anti-Semitic beliefs, that some of these stories are just kind of like gives them an opportunity to sort of start saying that shit too where it's not necessarily like how like the francis scott key bridge thing turned into like the dei mayor of baltimore you know i mean like oh yeah yeah other thing where it's almost like you know whether it's a conspiracy or just an outlet for someone to be like aha see this confirms my absolute fucked up way of looking at the world and this

proves it is like another weird way we see these things going and i'm just thinking too like now you know we've seen obviously like with like laura loomer kind of being near and not near the trump orbit and things like that and like trump being like i like her and then other people like get her the fuck away everybody else that's around him is like this yeah which is like if they think it's bad she i know she's a conspiracy theorist right who is she not um no she was i don't even remember off the top of my head what she was doing before she got involved in politics but do you remember god this was probably like 2015, 16. There was like a Shakespeare play in the park in New York. And like every time they do this play, they make the Julius Caesar character like the sitting president.

So Trump was the president that time. And then when the scene came and like caesar gets stabbed in the back spoiler alert but uh dude what the fuck man so so and to jared so so so her and jack posobic stand up and just start like screaming and hollering and get pulled out of this stage i do remember this yeah and that's how she made headlines really for the first time. And then something happened and she was in New York City and she went on this like crazy Islamophobic tirade against her Lyft driver. Oh, yeah. And got banned from Lyft. And she got in really close with like Pamela Geller and like sort of the old school Islamophobes and wound up getting banned from like a gazillion

billion things. So her claim to fame for the longest time was like, I'm the most banned woman in America. And then generally like her whole shtick is just finding a politically relevant figure and getting her phone out and screaming gibberish at them. And when the person is like get this fucking weirdo away from me she's like yeah hmm they're scared of the truth huh right right got him huh tell they didn't like yeah they didn't like that but yeah i mean like i'm what you we see sort of like how these figures get into orbit like or even i know in that report

we talk about like how even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, also seeing, like sort of this like conspiratorial thinking, what are can you just kind of outline for us like what you think, going into this election, like what's this kind of gaining more traction? Because I feel like just from the last seven years, I'm like, yeah, I'm up on replace great replacement theory. I'm up on QAnonon you've come on and talked about active clubs not necessarily conspiracy theory but like a group of extremists who are like trying to get organized what do you see is becoming something that is actually gaining serious traction and like obviously you've been like rolling your eyes at a lot of the mainstream media coverage of just

being like oh my gosh isn't this wacky rather than like no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no. Like this is wacky and it's very serious and it's, it's gaining more and more, I guess, you know, oh, that's terrible. Why would you talk about that? But like, how those are meaningful is different. And they might not be meaningful in a like, this is immediately dangerous to somebody kind of way. The ones that I have kind of been concerned about going into this year are a lot of the ones surrounding immigration. It's an election year. republicans are talking about immigration again but the way that it's threading into sort of election denialism and sort of these like anti-democratic attitudes generally i think that is kind of a red flag for me because if the people that are spreading this get what they want or or like the people in power you know congress people and whatnot citing this nonsense to justify the kind of policies they're

putting forward that has a real material impact on a lot of people and like cuts them off from their ability to vote and participate in democracy as imperfect and fucked up as it is right sure so i like that's something that i see having like sort of a clear through line to a material impact that could harm people and then generally you know great replacement theory spreading of hostile rhetoric some of the conspiracy theories going around about you know college campus protesters yeah right you know doing the encampments for to support palestinians like those students don't have means to defend themselves and if people on the line are getting them all riled up with nonsense it's claiming they're like connected with terrorists and whatnot like right yeah the mayor and the chief of police right like right

you know like that it's them versus fucking children right yeah so so like that kind of thing can be particularly risky too right yeah so that's just that's like a couple that come to front of mind yeah and i think there's also this other thing that's it's like not necessarily it's sort of like the re-emergence of like the big lie sort of like it feels like right wing media is definitely setting the table again for whatever the outcome is in November to at least on the table, have it be the possibility that this election was also stolen. or they're like, you know, warning Democrats to be like, they better not, they better not cheat. They better not do some, you know, like we'll be watching and not necessarily hurling accusations quite vividly or specifically yet, but still saying things rhetorically that beer, like, because we know what they like to do. We know what they're up to. You know how they like to do this other stuff. And I see that definitely becoming, you know, just like a very subtle way that they're keeping sort of like the embers of election denialism, like very just powerful.

So when the time comes and they need to like get it to burst into flames like it's able to. Is that. Yeah, they did that in 2022 or 2020 comma also. Right. Right. You know, before stop, the steel emerged as a movement before trump started claiming everything was rigged all of the campaign surrogates were going out on tv and being like oh yeah trump's gonna win in a landslide yeah right the elections if everything's fair

if everything if everything's up up on the up and up we expect to win win. It is wild. We knew what was going to happen. Ahead of the election, everyone was like, so here's what they're going to do. And then sure enough, right down to the verifying of the electors or whatever was happening on January 6th, that was going to be a key date for them. And they did not disappoint. Yeah, so it's the same thing, but like the volumes turned up. Yeah. Right. You know, you have more people kind of participating in this.

And then what I thought was interesting was Trump had a rally in Wildwood, New Jersey. It had a bunch of people. It had the everything old is new again. You know, it was like about 80,000, 80,000 to 100,000, 100,000 people were people were on this you know in this venue that holds what like 20 or something i think was what i saw it was it was just like a ceiling on it yeah and uh you know after that trump was doing these posts on truth social and some of his like fanboys were doing it too or it's like it's too big to rig the support is too big to rig the election against us sort of seeding this idea that like you know trump has this massive massive base of support

and it kind of creates this condition mentally where you're like oh well even if they try to rig it we're still gonna win then if you lose it's like something seems really really up right right so it's like getting yeah like there are seeds being sown. I think you're picking up on the right thing, Miles. Yeah. Well, cause that's what, I mean, like aside, cause I feel like, yeah, like we've seen QAnon go up and down and with the lack of like corroboration or like of anything happening in real life, like that fizzles out pretty quickly.

But now it feels like the more insidious thing along with like because like you're talking about with the immigration conspiracies that's the kind of stuff where it's like they're importing voters from across the border like that's sort of like the sort of foundation of like what the sort of like the xenophobic anti-immigrant bent to that conspiracy theory but like with this it's a subtle way but yeah yeah, like it's, it's working on people's emotions again, because you're creating this expectation of a given outcome. So if that reality doesn't come to fruition or doesn't come to pass, then you really have some, now you can take people who have gone from their moment of being like, but I, I thought it was supposed to, and then be like, you know what it really was. thought it was supposed to and then be like you know what it really was they stole it and can just easily funnel people into like really extreme beliefs because yeah like it's just been this

constant sort of you know rhetorical massaging of this shit just to get people yeah really riled up for it that's what is scary and i'm like when you when you look at, I know in the past, who was your colleague that we had on who was talking, what was her name? Sabine? Yeah, Sabine. When Sabine was on, we were talking about like, what's it look like out there on like kooky telegram channels? becoming organized for anything that would resemble like a January 6th kind of thing now. Now that we're like sort of five months, I think, or four months away from that, is that still the case? Or is there still, is there starting to become like a rallying again of people who are like, hey, we got to be vigilant this time. We got to be vigilant this time. I mean, I think a lot of those folks are still pretty scared of federal law enforcement.

Right. And the people that were like really bad and like really responsible for a lot of made them like way too paranoid to do that right now that said things can change right right yeah and we've loved when a conspiracy theory keeps people in line i mean we've still got what like five months and some change yeah until the election and most of the craziest shit that happened 2020 happened after the election. Right. Right. So, you know, I mean, we've got a pretty, like, long timeline to look down where things could change quite a bit. At the moment, I don't think there's an appetite for it.

Although, in a deeply, like, cynical, it would be terrible. But if they did it again, would be like something at least a little bit funny about it they did another january 6th like this time it's gonna work out for all of i mean part two yeah the stop the steal specifically like so if you like had a supreme court justice flying a q flag, I think there'd be... That seems more unlikely to me, but the fact that Alito had a Stop the Steal flag flying at his home,

or that Ginny Thomas, Clarence Thomas' wife, was as involved in the Stop the Steal stuff as she was like it just feels like there's more institutional support for around that one and that that one is actually like fairly focused and insidious and like specifically able to undermine the very foundation of like democracy so yeah i mean it's it's all like way more organized now yeah and um i don't think they need to storm the capital if right like if they can just build sympathy of like all of the people on one side of the aisle in said capital or like the sympathy of people who are doing the vote counting and certifying you know like, like, yeah, I don't think they have to storm a Capitol.

Right. Well, shit. So they've gotten better. Stay tuned, everybody. Hey, like I said, November, take your time. Take your sweet ass time. November. Take your sweet ass time, November.

Oh, God. Jared, such a pleasure having you on the show as always. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, all that good stuff? You can read me. I write periodically for the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, which is at isdglobal.org. I'm on Twitter or X. No, it's Twitter. Oh, is it the Everything app?

Oh, okay. Never mind. I can't wait to give my banking information to the richest idiot yeah and my blood type it's a jared l holt and uh yeah that's that's like the two kind of public facing things i do because of the work i do so there you go amazing is there a work of media that you've been enjoying when it gets warmer outside i start listening to more like heavier music i've been kind of revisiting some of my like post hardcore favorites like touche amore and really getting into or i guess back into this band called the world is a beautiful place and i'm no longer afraid to die

which that's a mouthful is a a mouthful but they pull it off somehow. But yeah, just revisit the music you listened to when you were a teenager. Most of it probably still goes really hard. Yeah, it does. It does. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Twitter. We call it Twitter and Instagram And the like, don't know about meta Whatever, threads, TikTok At milesofgray

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bro, I don't know, man. Where's the guy who was selling bootleg tapes? Uh, but anyway, yeah. Terrence,

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in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy Miles what song do we think people might enjoy? Yeah, you know, as things get slightly warmer, although L.A. is still stuck in its late winter-ish spring thing, we have not quite gotten the heat that we're used to. Although, look, it's the June gloom always hits around this time. But the vibes are getting more warmer and summerier.

I want to play this track by uh reina tropical and it's called cartagena and it's just like a i've first time hearing um her work but she's like a singer songwriter guitar player and it's just guys like that latin tropical sort of energy to it um and yeah it's just a a good track just to play as we, you know, enjoy the warmer months. So yeah, this is Cartagena by Reina Tropical. We will link off to that

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