The Daily Zeitgeist - Starbucks Gaslight Special, Hope From History 05.23.22

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

In episode 1253, Jack and Miles are joined by author, activist, musician, and host of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, Margaret Killjoy to discuss Jan 6….Still Lookin Into That? Starbucks Anti-Union Tactics Are Embarrassingly Self-Incriminating and more! Jan 6….still lookin into that? Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court justice, pressed Ariz. lawmakers to help reverse Trump’s loss, emails show Starbucks Anti-Union Tactics Are Embarrassingly Self-Incriminating Starbucks Is Playing With Fire How Howard Schultz Left a Bitter Taste in Seattle’s Mouth LISTEN: A Mallacht by FeminazgulSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 231, episode 1 of Der Daily Zeitgeist! by Diet Coke. May 23rd? Oh, you didn't know? Well, let me tell you Thank you, like I said It's not because I'm in a panic Searching what it is, it's because There's just a lot of excitement Around today, which is World Turtle Day So if you like turtles Shout out to you I saw a turtle today

See, that's in line with the spirit of the day It's already happening National Lucky Penny Day For those that indul the spirit of the day. It's all happening. It's already happening. Also, National Lucky Penny Day. So for those that indulge in the... Two of the biggest days. Believing in a lucky piece of... Turtle, Lucky Penny. Don't combine them.

Yeah. No. No, please don't. Two types of ponds that you want to keep separate. The wishing ponds and... You know the wishing pond. Pick a bag full of turtles with a trevi fountain yeah there you go anyways my name is jack o'brien aka mona lisa simpson

hands um that is courtesy of chris mackling i think we were talking about how all artists should take the pressure off of the rest of us and only draw people with simpsons hands bro right because we're talking about how well oh the tweet was their every culture has mermaids because legs are too hard to draw yeah yeah yeah exactly please bring back anyways chris appreciate the tweet especially uh parenthetical at the end no singing involved which is helpful both because i'm sick and not a good singer when i'm not sick oh so appreciate that and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray call me lavar smoking cuz i can't see everything i'll take a look in a tiny book.

I'm seeing things, bro. Shout out to Christy Yamaguchi, man, at Waffle House. Because, you know, I'm just these eyes, man. These eyes. Do-do-do-do-do. You know, the conversation before we start rolling is a conversation after we start rolling. This man has a new identity. It's a marked difference you know

and it's and we take our eyesight for granted and i realize look i'm it's this small victories that uh yeah that up for me and we did so we talked about how you did the vision test after they just sewed your eyes back up and the you know people in the lab coats were like muttering to one another and being like checking each other's notes in a confused murmur and we finally got word that not only were you seeing things that should have been impossible but you were seeing what was on the screen days ago yes so your eyes apparently are able to see through time and they're still trying to figure it out they said get me lloyd austin at the pentagon

now uh the second i said i read that second line they know they know they've created a super antifa soldier right now yeah you know what i mean well miles we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an acclaimed author musician and podcast host of the new show cool people who did cool stuff from robert evans Robert Evans and Sophie Lichterman's network, Cool Zone Media. It's the brilliant and talented Margaret Kiljoy! Margaret! What's up? Welcome, welcome.

Thanks. Welcome, Margaret. I'm excited to be here. I don't have a clever name for myself other than Margaret, unfortunately. Is Kiljoy your legal name? No, no, but i that works i took it a very long time ago when i was a much more cynical activist now it's kind of ironic right your show is very much i mean one of the best titles for a show and that you know exactly what it is from the title cool people who did cool stuff but it does clash with your name which is

cool as fuck by the way you don't need uh when your name is jack o'brien you need to come up with akas and shit but margaret killjoy does lots of lots of work for you so yeah fair enough this like when when people hear that cool people who did cool stuff you know i'm sure it's it's nebulous nebulous enough that someone could you know map their own meaning to it and say, oh, maybe something cool about crypto. No, no, no. You're giving people the imagination. Yeah. It's still early.

It's still early, Miles. Can I take it to crypto? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Why not? It is fun to be the arbiter of cool right yeah yeah but tell people a little bit about uh the kinds of cool people that are covered in the podcast but because i think it's a just a fantastic show and a fantastic concept a much needed type of content

for people especially in the times we're in right now well uh my background is mostly as an activist and so a lot of the people that I think are particularly cool are various revolutionaries and people who fight against oppressive systems and people who carve out their own ways of being. And I don't know, we'll see what directions it goes. But for now, the first episode is about the anarchists fighting for the eight-hour workday in Chicago and did stuff about... Actually, the first two episodes managed to be about Chicago completely happenstance. The other one was direct action abortionists in Chicago 100 years later. And we'll see where it goes from there. we just lack the imagination for revolutionary thinking and examples of, of people who, you know, really took it upon themselves to look at a situation that was untenable and

said, well, there's something has to give and here's how we can pursue that. Cause I feel like most people, the thought stops at so fucked up right now. Yeah. Because it's typically where, because no one has a lot of examples to go, Oh, you know what so and so did, because in every other examples in our lives, we have ways to sort of take up for ourselves or we have examples that inform what a potential next step would be in a given situation.

But we've done a really good job in the world to kind of dull that sort of that imagination for revolution revolutionary action yeah and then bury it you know um we we only see the negative examples because there's a lot of negative examples that people try to make stuff better that make things worse also but they yeah i keep finding all these examples throughout history where i'm like oh these people are doing really amazing shit and i never even heard of them you know because we don't talk about them enough yeah the it's been systematically removed from the history that at least i learned in school in the 80s and 90s you know but we touched real quickly on john brown yeah and he started and he basically set the whole war off all right next one

and then no one ever talks about the fact that he wasn't alone i mean besides the fact that there were people directly with him but he was part of this whole huge network you know that was uh not just that was like white and black abolitionists yeah i got no one ever talked about that from history class that it was a lone nut situation yeah this this guy was really uh had his beans up you know they're like all right we'll give you a little bit he has some kids too that may have been involved but that's all we're gonna tell you about it was just him and his sons that's it yeah that's it yeah yeah and you are not accepting self-submitted packets of people telling their own story about like cool stuff they did

in grade school when they were like 96 yeah 96 party yeah did a backflip off the roof it's still in my inbox i haven't i haven't finished all right through it yeah okay it got there i was actually just concerned that it did yeah yeah. I know you had me on just to check. Okay, cool. Well, I think we're done here. All right. So what stories are coming out today? Well, back in 98, actually, I was playing NBA Jam Tournament Edition. Everyone said this kid couldn't get beat. And lo and behold, I did. Maybe that could be it. Sounds cool. I don't know. I don't know what your definition of cool is. All right, Margaret, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell

our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. January 6th, they're still looking into it. We have some breadcrumbs that indicate that there might be something there. And we're going to talk about Starbucks anti-union tactics, which are embarrassingly self-incriminating and also not very successful to this point. Some people think shockingly so. I think the direct quote is, it's shocking how badly they're getting the shit kicked out of them from one expert paying attention. So we're going to talk about that, why it might not be that shocking right now. We're going to talk about that study, about what social media does to your brain. We might even get to some Star Trek, all of that, plenty more. But first, Margaret, we do like to ask our guests,

what is something from your search history? Well, I picked the most recent thing I searched was last night was plastic part broken on dewalt miter saw because i was trying to make shelves and i tried to cut a very acute angle and something broke would it definitely was wearing all the right safety equipment absolutely of course i would never do otherwise fortunately nothing hit my eyes which were definitely protected and and some plastic piece of my saw broke and i have no idea where it comes from and i'm just like looking at this part of my saw and i'm like huh but trying to be like where did this come from yeah exactly what did i

break i have no idea what this thing is and if you search plastic part broken on dewalt miter saw you find the dust extractor because that's what everyone breaks and google saved me is that what you broke yeah yeah google saved me hey google's yeah for six dollar part hey you know who else saves jc jesus like we were both on the same wavelength there yeah just want to bring it back man we always got to bring it back to also a carpenter yeah i know thank you so are you margaret are you a carpenter you you know no i i um i do a ton of different things and then i realized that everything i do not for work cannot be on a computer because i already do everything else on a computer and so i do some woodworking and right now i'm trying to like build instruments

and shelves oh wow bunch of other shit. Building instruments? Yeah, it's really fun. Like what, like guitars and shit? Yeah, I build some electric guitars out of kits and do some of the woodworking and the soldering on them. But I also do a bunch of acoustic folk instruments. Some of them I build from kits. Some of them I just kind of invent, make up. Tie strings to wooden things and try and make them okay where i get your albums

we're not where'd i hear your album uh feminazgool.bandcamp.com actually yeah margaret has three separate very impressive careers it's yeah it's like oh are you five different people how's how's that happening but okay so you're an activist you're a luthier as well yeah isn't that the name for a guitar maker i don't know how to pronounce that word yeah, you're a luthier as well. Yeah. Isn't that the name for a guitar maker? I don't know how to pronounce that word. Yeah, or luthier. Luthier, maybe. We're going to be bad English.

I'm not a good one of that, but I use them in my metal band. Oh, that's amazing. It's mostly metal? So I do a lot of things. The thing that I do that most people listen to, my band that the most people listen to my band that the most people listen to is a all-women black metal band called feminist school and we play a lot of different instruments in the band and i've been increasingly just like making my own instruments for it because

why the fuck not yeah indeed i would say to answer why the fuck not. I don't have the energy. Mental bandwidth. Rick Adleman, no, not Rick Adleman, Rick Carlisle, like builds his own golf clubs and is also like a concert pianist and like all the all these various things. And like the the point at which the genius starts building their own equipment. I'm like, I'm out. That's right. Too much for me to identify with. identify with. I like the rule that you have where if so much work is happening on a screen that you also need something off screen.

I just realized even when I play music I'm looking at a computer screen rather than just taking my bass and just amplifying it and looking out a window and doing that instead of at a screen. Oh man. I like that. Thank you, Margaret. I'm going to take that into practice actually. Oh, man. Okay. So I'm going to.

Yeah, I like that. Thank you, Margaret. I'm going to take that into practice. Actually. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be curious what you come up with. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? Okay. So I wrote this down before listening to your last episode. I think superheroes are overrated. Okay. Yeah. And I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with them as a, you know, fiction trope or whatever, but I'm kind of bored of them.

And I think that it shows because I think all of the best and most engaging superhero characters are not the superheroes. They're the shows that are centered around like regular ass people who happen to live in a superhero world. Yeah. Wait, like which ones? Okay, this is a terrible example, but I just binge watched Peacemaker and I never thought i would want to watch peacemaker because he's the worst character he's the worst character in that thing and i'm like why do i want to watch yet another like vindication of a right wing white dude right and it's really well written but then the like i don't even remember i don't remember actors or character names very well the like hacker guy in it he's just this like regular guy

who's just like hanging out with all these people who are super trained killers and he's like all right i guess we'll just try and save the world or whatever he's he's the i like him you know and i like the regular characters within right which is actually weirdly a defense of super i didn't even intend to come here and defend superhero movies but but yeah let's focus on the regular people not the super people the what the 0.01 percenters of this reality what about the hoi polloi out there just dealing with their normal people skills yeah yeah i do do we think we're headed in any direction other than more superhero movies all the time? There's definitely been some dents in the Marvel armor a little bit with the Eternals and shows, movies like that. the most popular movies it's it is for people who are like not all movies should maybe be superhero movies it's it's been pretty a pretty bleak time i'd say since the beginning of the

pandemic yeah why why pandemic equals only superheroes is it because you can shoot with fewer characters i don't even know i don't know or maybe people are just more receptive to the idea of like a savior with magical powers like in a time of just chaos and you're like i don't know who else was the savior with magical powers in a time of chaos satan that's right gave people a lot of information that's what i remember yeah yeah uh what is something you think is underrated okay i think something that's underrated is and i tried to go for something a little bit less earnest but i only came up with something super earnest when workers take over their businesses and run them as co-ops without bosses i yeah i i see it slowly cropping back up and you know i know that we're going to talk about union

stuff in a bit but it just that's a thing i've been seeing a little bit more of and i think is underrated and more people should too is giving us a recent example that you saw again because we want to put give people the imagination rather than describing yeah sure but something you saw uh okay so like there's a pizza shop in Baltimore called Joe squared. And during the pandemic, it had to close. And because it was the pandemic, well, it's still the pandemic, but you know, whatever. And it was a family run business and the workers, and in this case, it was actually very positive. They, the owners just gave the business to their employees. I believe, I don't have all of the details in front of me about this. basically we're like well you all want to keep running it and they're like yeah we do and

so now the workers run it as a workers cooperative and it's it's open again and it's doing well and it's part of this kind of like growing ecosystem in baltimore of these worker cooperatives like part of the reason joe squared became one is i was across the street from a worker cooperative bookstore and cafe called red emma's and basically they all hung out all the time and they were like yeah we don't we don't have bosses we all run this place and run this yeah and like why does democracy end when you get to work you know like we're so we i mean democracy ended you know when when money got involved but but like theoretically we have a say in political matters. Why do, as soon as we get to work, we just accept that someone's in charge of us?

It doesn't... Right. Yeah, I'm off to my gig where I go work in a despotic environment and don't ask questions because then I get my pittance. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I feel like I mostly hear about it in bike shops and cafes and stuff. But yeah, a pizza place is new. Well, there's industry too, right? As a worker on Window Factory in Chicago, where after they fired their bosses, they bought it out as the business was failing. I don't remember the exact details. I think they actually had to stage some sit-ins and strikes and stuff to do this. Now they all make, I think, twice as much money as they used to, and the business itself is substantially more profitable. Because who knows how to run a business like the workers? Sorry, I didn't even mean to. Well, i guess i did mean to soapbox about this i like wrote it down as my thing to talk about but i it's so counter to what we're going down to talking about like with you know the

the ceo's mindset is i'd like to see you try right oh yeah okay i'd like to try this without me and then you know it turns out that it's much much better when that they do that and but everything else is like propped up like people will even read ayn rand like people read that book just to justify the I'd like to see you try ideal at the core of America's kind of system. And they're like, it's actually well written. That was something I heard very early on. I was like, no, no, it's not. It's also just fiction. It's a fiction book.

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We can't get into that live. I'm learning about all the cool features, geographic features. Shout out to the spiky thing. The difference between the panhandle and the spike spiky thing at the top spiky thing yeah all right let's check in with january 6th inquiries investigations that are happening yeah what's what's going on we there's a lot of buzz last week i mean mostly talking about the the headlines dealing with a request from the Department of Justice asking the January 6th House Committee

for, you know, some interview transcripts. And the line that a lot of people focused on was the one is that they asked for these transcripts because they, quote, may contain information relevant to a criminal investigation we are conducting. So, you know, we've talked about the whole time like how quiet merrick garland has been we're like uh sir you you up to anything over there is this just kind of just waiting to see how things you know shake out with the house committee and then something's going to go on but this seems to get a lot of the legal observers and theorists who are watching say like oh no this is significant this is very significant and i'm like okay why it significant? So they say that this now shows that the investigations between the House committee and main justice are beginning to overlap in terms of their findings

of criminal behavior and that the House committee, you know, because they don't have the power to prosecute, they can only refer people to to main justice that they're saying, OK, so the Justice Department is clearly if they're going to ask for this, they feel that they have some firm footing to really begin to go after the upper echelons of potentially some of the people that may have been involved, which is OK. That's heartening to hear. But again, I'll believe it when I see it. it when I see it. And, you know, the other things is that because they say the other the other thing that they point to that has people excited, like, well, you know, Merrick Garland famously doesn't like to have anything that the Justice Department does or his in his capacity in justice look like anything's being politicized. So they're being very quiet. And if now they're beginning to say, OK, we need these materials, it's indicating's indicating there's clearly a new phase that at least the Department of Justice has entered. So fine, from that vague 10,000 foot view,

something's happening. A lot of people have pointed to the fact that Benny Thompson, who's the chairperson of that committee, has said he's not willing to share that material immediately. But a lot of people say this is just part of the back and forth between the House and Justice Department where they need an agreement over how the materials are used or shared or whatever but meanwhile while that's happening the washington post also published that jenny thomas is back at it again or what's not that she's back at it again that they've uncovered even more fuckery from jenny thomas who is again the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas they describe her as a conservative activist in this piece.

And I'm like, wow, OK, that's that's quite a euphemistic. But they said that she was sending emails to electors in Virginia, basically trying to push them to not accept what's happening with all the rampant fraud. with all the rampant fraud. This is from the Washington Post. Quote, the email sent by Ginny Thomas to a pair of lawmakers on November 9th, 2020, argued that legislators needed to intervene because the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did not mention either candidate by name,

the context was clear. And days after media organizations called the race for Biden in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers again to, quote, stand strong in the face of political and media pressure. Now, Margaret, as a fellow activist, in the activist handbook, where it tells you, you know, be married to Supreme Court justice and send email forwards to powerful friends that you met at a dinner party. Is that, you know, near the top of the list? How do you incorporate that into your

playbook? Well, it's actually in the appendices. How many people see it? Yeah, yeah. Because that way you can kind of get the sort of plausible deniability, being like, oh, I did that, but I didn't actually read it. Because I read the whole book. I just didn't read that stuff at the back where they define the terms and then tell you to pretend to believe in law, but not actually be believing in law at all. Right. And then just try and grab power by any way you can. That's all.

Yeah, it's all in the back. Pretty standard stuff. Right. Yeah. It's really wild to continue to see all of this happen. You know, just on one side, it's just all of these just clear as day examples of like oh so we're just doing that and well only waiting for you know i guess these bombshells as we see reed constant in the new york times and washington post like oh just wait when they do their public circus show in the

beginning of june the committee is going to have some real eye-opening revelations like we saw them happen all in real time so yeah yeah i'm just i don't know what else you got what else could you possibly have that in their mind is going to completely be like the the country's going to get on the same page and be like okay you're you know you're right that was a bridge too far. Yeah. It's kind of like what was happening when Trump was in office where it was like, every day they're like, we have new evidence about why we're going to impeach him. And you're like, okay.

And it's like year three and they're like, we swear, we swear, we're working on this thing. It's about to happen. And we're like, all the bad stuff has already been happening for three years. There's worse stuff yeah robert muller's 12 sexiest outfits robert muller beachwear looking like a snack in beachwear oh no but yeah it's again

apparently if you know without the subpoenas that have gone on they say there's some people like you know bill barr may actually speak with the committee and who knows what he'll reveal but you know i i it's it's hard to continue reading about all of this and then just sort of seeing like i i've yet to really see the justice system work in a tangible way to protect anything at this point. Like any, like fucking anything. Ted Cruz just wanted the Supreme court,

you know, for his own, like for his own grievances about how he wanted to use his own campaign money. And we're like, this is okay. You know, I think we're free.

Yeah. So the, the subpoenas come home to roost in june is that when people start saying stuff that they didn't want to that's the public hearings that's when they they're the whole show and tell begins on tv baby at which point they're they're just going to find a way to not say shit. Show us a clip of January 6th and be like, member, member. Oh, no. Anyway, vote for Democrats. Member.

Wait, and then you're like, wait, hold on, hold on. That was it? Yeah. All this time for just for y'all to go, member, and then say vote for Democrats in November? Hey, member in November. Okay.

Member. Member. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm sure I'll find out about it on Twitter if something big happens there. But I feel very hopeless by just that the tone of this, it really does, Margaret, to your point, really does remind me of the whole trump presidency and rachel maddow coming on with the tax returns and it was like get ready motherfuckers it is time we got him and then yeah but then i think they fail to realize their own closeness to the people that they need to hold accountable yeah and yeah you see how unable they are to do that. Cause it's like, they're like, well,

I'm just more like my cousin. Right. And they're fucking everything up and making life hell for most people here. Now fucking get your shit together and, you know, pretend like you're some kind of legislator. But it's, it's,

I think that's what's so disheartening is like, it's like the tools are there, but the will looks like absolutely just fucking it's like spider webs in the wind damn that was a good spider webs in the wind it was yeah anyone who couldn't see anyone who can see his hands they were yeah thank you very popular yeah i did a little physical you know just just want to bring everybody into it yeah if michael winslow was a poet that would be the sort of sound effects that we would get see i can't do that um all right let's talk about uh starbucks i'm making a run what's everyone

no starbucks uh anti-union tactics have been pretty transparent open hostile so it began at the end of last year with a store in buffalo and as of may 13th reportedly 69 starbucks stores have voted to form unions and hey nice so you're never gonna guess who's not super thrilled about that starbucks starbucks is not super thrilled yeah well so I should be clear. Starbucks views their employees as, quote, partners, which is interesting because like in a partnership, it's usually not like if Paul Simon made billions of dollars while Garfunkel was getting like fifteen dollars an hour, we probably wouldn't have gotten bridge over troubled water from them. over troubled water from them. Also, they like to boast about the benefits that it offers their partners, including healthcare coverage. And we heard about this nonstop when Howard Schultz, former CEO of Starbucks, spoiler alert, once again, CEO of Starbucks, you know, in his memoir, but also when he was running for office, just loved to talk about how Starbucks employees. He was running for office, just loved to talk about how Starbucks employees.

So he knew heading in that if Starbucks employees had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union, which is how, you know, it speaks to what we were talking about earlier with the way that our country in general, our education system, our media controls information. How was it not like the first sentence after him making claims about getting health care for Starbucks employees? The first sentence after that should have been, actually, Starbucks employees first got health care in the eighties, not because of Howard Schultz, but because they were part of a union. Well,

yeah, but I was there at the time. So he was not. Okay. He took over as CEO after the union had negotiated that and then went, went about just spent his full-time job became trying to like kill the union that got them health care. But then I guess he left the health care around because it's really hard to take away good, you know, good things from employees once they're instituted. But brought in consultants and attorneys specializing in anti-union campaigns to assist its decertification

efforts which is great yeah fantastic i mean look howard schultz he knows what he's doing he says one thing he means another he's his terrible uh ill-deployed holocaust anecdotes about sharing the blanket with his uh fellow partners remember that like cringy ass all hands meeting he did he's like like in the holocaust they had to share a blanket in the cars when they were going to concentration camps and that that's that's really been in my mind the idea that we all have to share the blanket and that's what i brought to starbucks and you're like i'm sorry who are who is starbucks in that metaphor but okay and you know i think this is sorry, who are who is Starbucks in that metaphor? But OK. And, you know, I think this is what we've seen, too, is like all of the the pushback.

Right. Because everyone said the importance of that Buffalo unionizing effort is we just need a fucking domino to fall. And they know, just like Amazon knows, one falls, everybody else starts again getting the fucking imagination the fucking vision for something different and now look at it they're just like looking at a you know a fucking wave that they're trying to fight in a futile way of their partners wanting to unionize yeah at the national like messaging level they're gaslighting people claiming like we're not anti-union we're just pro

partner but at the individual level they are just fighting dirty as fuck we're not anti-abortion we're pro-life i mean could you imagine if you were just like you're in a partnership and like my boyfriend is like oh we're in a partnership and i'm like great so we're equals and like no no i mean like i tell you what to do and then you do it and then if you don't do it i'm gonna make you homeless and i'm like oh yeah partnership okay yeah totally so so you're an overlord yeah uh i like partner better than that so last fall after the buffalo starbucks began the process of starting a union election. Starbucks coincidentally closed the store for two months, innocently claiming it was suddenly going to be their new training center. And then

out-of-town managers were showing up to work at Buffalo stores, not to spy on employees, of course, but just to listen to their concerns. Except, unfortunately, one manager was caught on tape admitting that it was a, quote, last- last ditch effort to try and stop them from unionizing. And that there's a really interesting story about that Arizona Starbucks manager. Right. So this manager in Arizona, she taped this like staff meeting because she's like this. Like, I thought it was about one thing. And it started they started talking about just straight up fuckery where they're like, man, the unions are bad.

Like it's just going to take up all this money. And you know, this one was like, okay, no, I need to put this on wax for everybody to hear later down the road. She was fired because of everything that can't the fallout from, you know,

exposing that, that happening. But even before she taped that recording, I just want to play this clip because she actually spoke to more perfect union just about like what her experience was like working at Starbucks before she finally was like, No, this is all kinds of fucked up. And namely, she had been diagnosed with cancer like a month before that. And when she was trying to talk with managers and things to say, How can I like survive or what can Starbucks do to help me given my health condition?

This is it was just all a bunch of corporate fuck yous. I was asking to have fewer days. I was asking for what my other options were. I was told I could go on a leave of absence, but those are unpaid. And also you would have to pay your benefits out of your own pocket. And also you couldn't get a second job because then Starbucks wouldn't be required to give you benefits, which obviously wouldn't work for me because I can't be unpaid and paying bills. Right. I remember calling my district manager in tears.

I was like, I don't have family. I don't have friends. I have no one. What am I supposed to do? And they basically said, fuck you. It goes on to say down the road, there's a bronchitis outbreak

at the store she was at and she had to come in and open because she had no other option but to come in sick and then collapsed at work because she's dealing with cancer she's bronchitis and they were like yeah you got it you got to keep working you got it you got to stay in there so this is like you know i think many people have experienced things like this you know where you you're up against you know a corporation or a management scheme that is saying you're not actually a person.

Here's the deal. Like we need bodies in that fucking store. I don't give a shit what you're going through. And if not, we'll fuck it. You know, like capitalism is so brutal. I can toss you out and find another desperate person who's willing to completely exploit themselves because they have no other option. And that I think that context is it was, I just wanted people to hear this person's voice. Because a lot of times when we talk about this, it's one thing to just sort of describe it and another to actually hear somebody say, like, I was talking to my company, Starbucks, and they said, you better not get another job, right? Or else you don't need

benefits from us. But it also gets at like, what's so good about a union, you know, she's sitting there and she's saying, like, well, I don't have anything. I don't have friends. I don't have family. You know, basically she's appealing to her bosses being like, you're the only ones I've got. And they're like, well, we don't fucking care. But that's what's so beautiful about a union. If it's done right, it's like, well, no, then you actually have each other.

Like not necessarily like the cold union bureaucracy, which can be good or bad or whatever, but you actually just have each other. You can take care of each other and you can right i don't know again there's a real structure in place to actually you know protect somebody's you know they're acknowledge someone's humanity in a way that has tangible outcome yeah yeah all right let's actually take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about uh you'll you'll never guess who decided to come back and rejoin as the CEO. It's a major plot twist. It's Howard Schultz. It's, yeah, it's who you would expect. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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And so also in that vein, we've got Howard Schultz, the first union killing CEO of Starbucks who had stepped down as CEO to run for public office and is now coming back, calling it a volunteer position, being paid a salary of $1, which is just right in line with that. We're partners, just public gestures at a national level while at an actual interpersonal level, like trying to kill people, you know, essentially. He's back leading the push and he immediately announced sizable raises and new benefits for employees, but only the non-unionized ones, which I think is illegal and discrimination against union members. And, you know, the union immediately sued for it.

Although they said very clearly, they're like, no, you can do that. Currently you can't when they're trying to, like, get a collective bargaining agreement. Like, we can't actually do anything right there. So that's why, like, it's for the good kids, the good partners that aren't taking up for themselves. Also allegedly intimidating pro-union employees cutting hours.

And one employee in Denver where Starbucks employees held a strike was grilled by a corporate investigator over taking home leftover food, which, you know, everyone does. Leftover foods for garbage cans. Not for fucking mouths that need them. Fuck face. What are you doing? I'm a corporate investor, investigator. I mean, there's all those people who like put bleach on the like, like before you throw out the bagels at night, you better put bleach on them so that if any, like people who need food go in there, they die. They're poisoned.

That's what they deserve for not having bootstraps yeah on their bare feet that's the problem there's actually an amazing detail in this story where starbucks investigators began grilling him repeatedly demanding the identities of workers who took food and demanding to know who was homeless so oh my god oh my god that's like they like like undercover unhoused employee like that's what they're worried about that's what they're worried about who doesn't have a home we better fire the people who yeah yeah we already don't pay enough no problem here we they're we take care of our employees which of them are homeless yeah i still i'm so to what end is that that the optics they're like we can't have someone who's unhoused working here

because then that reinforces the idea of the working unhoused person in this country so we only want people who are struggling week to week for a fucked apartment. That's who we want to exalt as our partners. I bet they think that they'll take food home if they're homeless. Yeah, I think that seems to be what it was connected to. To their homeless homies or something like that. I've read about that. God forbid.

Yeah. They've launched an anti-union propaganda website that states that partners are better side by side than sitting across a negotiating table and doing the standard unions or a business just like Starbucks. And they make money by collecting dues, which is like the first line in on the 10 things to know about a union, like anti-union propaganda, everything. 10 things to know about a union, like anti-union propaganda, everything. They've fired over 20 union leaders around the U.S. for justifications as flimsy as purposely breaking a sink and swearing. And yeah, and still they're getting their ass kicked. Well, I think because it shows right there, because no matter what they do, the die has been cast like this is how workers feel this is how too many people have experienced the working in america for nothing and no matter all like all the little raises you do or fucking gift baskets or fucking fleece sweatshirts with their name embroidered on it it's not going to make up for the just innate feeling of imbalance that exists when you're,

you know, you clock into a place like Starbucks. And even now you see how desperate the company is. They recently were like, Hey man, if you, if you want, you know, uh, if you, if you got to travel for an abortion or gender affirming medical procedures, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll cover the cost of travel, but don't unionize. Yeah. Don't unionize. right don't unionize we'll give you that how about that that sounded good right and they just throw out these small

little like scraps to try and gesture as if we're we're changing something but the workers fundamentally don't think anything's changing i think so it's at this point it's odd to see them keep trying this without understanding like i you might as well try and embrace this and figure out how to make it work for everyone. But, and the, the union dues thing always drives me crazy. Cause it's like,

how bad do you think I am at basic math? Because like, okay. Everyone who has a union brings home more money than everyone who doesn't have a union. Like you just end up with more money. And so like, I have a,

like I have a literary agent, right? And he gets 15% of every book I sell. And I'm not like, oh man, that guy takes 15% of every book I sell because he looks at my contracts and then he negotiates them up more than 15%. I am not losing money. I am grateful to pay him for the service that he does me of making me make more money and that's what it means to pay a union do is like yeah this guy's job is to make sure i get paid a lot i'm really excited to hire him because you are hiring your union reps you know like anyway but they yeah they'll but they always use the imagery of like these union fat cats, you know? Yeah, I'm sorry.

Was the early 90s like smear ad like really fat cats like you think that's going to work on millennial and Gen Z workers? I don't give a fuck about like what fat cat? No, motherfucker. I have barely anything and I need to like I need the minimum what's due to me as a human being how about that yeah but it's so like the the use of progressive social politics like starbucks is also the place where they took a day off to talk about race and then like tried to put it on their employees to have conversations about race with like customers. But then, yeah, this thing about like paying for people to travel and stuff like is just it's so toxic to any progressive movement for that to be used as a like screen for just retrograde like anti leftist, you know, fiscal policy and like abuse of employees. That's going to do more harm than like the right could ever do to those ideas.

Yeah, they're like, you can talk about anything but class. We will talk about all forms of oppression, except for the fact that you can't afford to eat food. Right. Yeah. all forms of oppression, except for the fact that you can't afford to eat food. Yeah. Let's talk about class collaboration. Y'all fucking with crypto. Like, wait,

huh? No, hold on. That's just another episode. But yeah, it's, it is a very, it all comes together. I think in this way that for people who just fundamentally like have the experience of lack, none of this shit is going to convince you until you experience the opposite of it until you experience abundance.

That's the only thing that's going to slow down the momentum here. But that's they can't do that. Their shareholders will lose their shit if things like that begin to happen. So I don't know. I guess good luck with the empty gestures yeah right yeah the empty gestures the sort of you know broad like word play at a national level like it feels like that shit which is like fully what the like mainstream Democratic Party and a lot of their corporate partners have bought into. It feels like that has officially just run out. Like, I don't know that the, you know, quote at the end of this that says it's shocking how badly they're getting the shit kicked out of them. how badly they're getting the shit kicked out of them. I think there was a lot of people saying similar things about Conor Lamb, this Democratic wonder boy darling who was running for the Senate

and got the shit kicked out of him by sort of an outsider candidate in shorts. And it just feels like there is a overall movement, like all these shocking ass beatings are happening in the same direction. And it seems like it would be very obvious and like an overwhelming message that the time is right for Democrats to run to the left and embrace unions and embrace, you know, people, the actual humans and workers. And the fact that each time is being treated as like, what the heck is going on here? Yeah. APAC spent four million dollars trying to defeat Summer Lee. How did she win? APAC spent millions trying. The formula is not working anymore. millions trying the formula is not working anymore yeah it's just there's a the sort of mainstream media and mainstream democrat apparatus just feels like they're there's just a it's gone dark like they they can't communicate they're realizing like the relationship between you know the dnc and like leadership and what normal people are experiencing is like they're at that phase like in a relationship where you keep saying yeah i'm gonna do the

dishes don't worry i'm gonna do the dishes i'm gonna get to the dishes i'm gonna get to the dishes and they believe you for a minute yeah till the they go in the kitchen and the dish piles of fascist fucking gundam made up of fucking fucked up pots and pans and now it's trying to vaporize you and all your fucking rights and then you're like what the fuck happened in here i said i would do the dishes and by that i mean turn them into a gundam exactly and also i'm glad you're here can you loan me 14 so i can tackle this fascist stack of dishes i created with my ineptitude? The fuck are you talking about? And now they want people to believe that shit? That's bullshit. And I think

that's what they're not realizing is that the pile of dishes has become too high. And what you need to overcome now is that you prove you can do the fucking dishes. That's it. Just do one of them. Fucking pick any one of them fucking what anything voting rights maybe child tax credit a child tax no child tax credit and your child tax credit or child tax credit i mean that that would even sound cool when people might believe it was a child tax credit but that's what i think is like they're like article after article is about how the establishment is not understanding what's going wrong right but it's and they don't it's like the most basic thing they're not dumb they're

they're just picking their class allegiance over their ostensible political values they're like the democratic party is the party of capitalism as at least as much as the republican party and but the actual people who vote democrat don't like capitalism anymore because people eventually figured out what was happening um and the sort of shadow of the soviet union has fallen long enough that people no longer have to look at that horrible example and and so the democrats are like oh well we like capitalism right and everyone's like no we we don't you know it right so i don't know i i don't think that they're like i mean they're lying to us but i don't think they're i don't think they're

dumb well no i think more of that dumb in the sense that their their time like the tools of misinformation that used to work really well aren't oh yeah and i think they haven't come to the realization that the populace isn't feeling. No, no, no. That makes sense. You know, and they're like, what the heck? It's like usually do this. I put my kente cloth on and I kneel with Colin Kaepernick and then they don't and I don't have to speak on like untold accounts of violence that are occurring across the country because I did my gesture. What the fuck? The gestures aren't working. Yeah. And I think on that level, it's to that point is, yeah, the only way for it to work, like you're saying, Margaret, is that they have to give up the ghost on capitalism.

Yeah, right. And they can't do that. give up the ghost on capitalism yeah right and they can't do that so now we're just watching it fucking the machine just like like someone threw a cinder block in a fucking dryer right and they're like you're like i don't know like it's fucking not working it's like yeah no shit like everybody's burnt out like nobody's believing them like so many people aren't buying the myth anymore yeah but you but you're the, and I think that's the hard, that's the hardest pill for them to swallow is that there are more and more

people aren't as into the myth. And what do you do with that? Yeah. I mean, the labor movement in the U S has always been pretty, you know, has faced a stiff headwind. Not a lot of tailwinds for the labor movement,

but is there anything to learn from the history or, you know, activism or, you know, the stories that you've been... Yeah, well, I can tell you about some cool people who did some cool stuff really quickly. Oh, okay. And so I don't have my notes in front of me, so consider this the storyteller mode. When I do my podcast i'm like and in this date the following person whose

name i remember did the following thing but the way that my brain works is that when the details aren't in front of me they kind of drift away into the story so if you want the details you should list my podcast but basically like for example the fight for the eight hour work day had been going on for hundreds of years before it eventually kind of worked and we kind of have the eight-hour workday although very few people i know actually have the eight-hour workday actually now but you know theoretically we have it and it it kind of came to a head when basically a whole bunch of anarchists and and other socialists uh started gaining more and more power in the Union

movement in the 1870s, 1880s. And there was all these huge strikes. And what people forget is that a lot of these strikes, they were life or death fights. People talk about like, oh, these crazy radicals. Like at the end of the story, someone's going to throw a bomb, right? But what had been happening prior to that was you know there was this great railroad strike that started and i think western maryland and swept through west virginia and it went out all the way out west is the way they describe it at the time which means all the way to chicago you know so the entire country from maryland to chicago was was shut down by this railroad strike and so the national guard militias like all of these different groups got together and just murdered workers. Cops were just, just shoot down workers.

Yeah, machine guns. some point people started being like well we don't we don't like sitting here and getting machine gunned and so all of these labor speeches started being like look we either starve to death because that's what's happening or we die in the streets fighting for our our rights and that we get to take home the stuff we make right like because at the end of the day a lot of the labor movement is just literally about like we made the stuff why do you get the money for the stuff we made you know because like for example that guy is now taking a dollar salary right as if that means anything to him rich people aren't paid by salaries rich people are paid by owning things and so they're paid by the money that other people make and so all of this comes to a head in in hay market basically the the workers, socialists and anarchists, sort of both anarchists, get kind of written out of history and actually sort of socialists in this

country. They're organizing, they're like, all right, we just want an eight-hour workday at the very least. And so we're going to call for a general strike on May 1st, 1886. And on May 1st, 1886, like hundreds of thousands of workers go out on strike across the country, especially in Chicago. And a lot of bosses are like, fine, we get it. You get eight hours a day instead of like the 14 hours a day often that people were working. But a lot of other places weren't. And so people keep going on strike. So then at a particular factory, the McCormick Reaper factory, which is a really metal name for a farming equipment factory in chicago hell yeah these people who are making reapers all day they're throwing rocks at scabs they're hanging out outside and basically the

people who come in and take their jobs when they're out on strike they're throwing rocks at them and so the cops come up and start shooting into the crowd and kill several people and several of the people involved in all that were anarchists and start shooting into the crowd and kill several people. And several of the people involved in all that were anarchists and socialists, but the anarchists sort of catch the brunt of this particular repression. So the anarchists call for a rally on Haymarket Square on the 4th. They call for this rally. Everyone goes being like,

what's going to happen? What's going to happen? And nothing is going to happen. So it's a nice peaceful rally at the end of it. The mayor comes and the mayor hangs out and he's like, oh, this rally seems okay. Everything's going okay. And he's like, all right, I'm going to head home. But the chief of police in that area really, really doesn't like these people. And he's going to start shooting i don't know whatever happens and then someone throws a bomb at the cops a couple cops die and then a lot of cops die in the ensuing gunfight because all of the cops are the ones shooting and they shoot each other a lot and there's this massacre it's called the hay market massacre a bunch of people die on both sides but a lot of the evidence is that whatever anyway cops did almost all the shooting which i honestly i

wouldn't i'm not trying to come at someone who's like they keep killing us so maybe we should shoot back i'm not trying to come out about that right so then they they arrest a whole bunch of people and they charge them not with having thrown the bomb or knowing who threw the bomb or having anything to do with the bombing they charge them literally with being anarchists they're like we don't like you we want you to. And so actually the people who defended them, like their lawyer was not an anarchist. Their lawyer just believed in law. He was like, you can't do that. You can't put people on trial for their beliefs in the United States or whatever. But you can actually, it's a very effective thing. And they got found guilty and they got hanged,

can actually, it's a very effective thing. And they got found guilty and they got hanged, a bunch of them. And the thing that came out of it at the very beginning was this huge backlash against the labor movement. They're like, oh, these terrible, filthy anarchists, they're throwing bombs, they're murdering everyone. And so there was this immediate contraction of the labor movement. But then it came back much stronger once people started seeing what a terrible injustice was happening. And their deaths sparked, well, they reinvigorated the fight for the eight-hour workday, which wasn't actually really won in the United States until, I believe, the 1920s or something like that. But they sparked internationally a huge amount of the labor movement. And so there's this like May 1st is the workers' day in every country except the United States. And it's literally because the United States is afraid of commemorating the Haymarket Anarchists.

So those are some examples of cool people did cool stuff. My show gets into a lot of the individual people, the individual martyrs, the individual organizers. I conjecture about who actually threw the bomb, who's never been found in history. So you get your little true crime stuff in there. Amazing. That's amazing that that is not a story that we all learn like especially yeah when that is the main story that is the undercurrent of all american history up to this point yeah is you know the fight between labor and capital yeah yeah so that day is honored in other countries and

not in the united states yeah there's like basically as far as i again i don't have the details in the years in my like burned into my memory but the the more liberal the the less radical labor unions were totally fine to go along with the government and create labor day as an alternative instead of may day which is celebrated all around the world and then kind of unfortunately um mayday kind of became slightly more like a like the soviet union was like really into mayday even though they also liked killing all the anarchists for being anarchists so i don't really like letting them have it either but yeah no uh and then all over the world you'd go and you know in the end of the 19th century and there'd be photos of the the haymarket murders on the wall in every like union hall because people are like these are the people who

you know were killed just literally for well in this case they they were killed for not the eight hour work day they were killed because they wanted to end capitalism they wanted workers to eight-hour workday they were killed because they wanted to end capitalism they wanted workers to get to keep the stuff they make keep the value of what they make you know right all right well thank you for i mean that's what a what a great illustration of exactly what we're talking about and the where this lack of imagination for uh revolution kind of comes from yeah no yeah and yeah never let people know what they can do collectively yeah that's just don't put the instruction manual to that out there or let people know that's a thing okay wait i have a i have a felt it for a second in 2020 but then people like that lesbian sex in the uk they were going to outlaw it and i think the early

1920s this came up in some other research i was doing about um history of gay sex which is another cool thing that people do and and they were going to outlaw it in the uk but then you can you can read the notes from parliament or whatever the fuck the uk uses to govern itself and they're like right they're like we can't outlaw this because it'll give women ideas. Oh, because they're like, it's all these men. And they're like,

women can do that. No, no woman has ever thought of such a thing, except a few outlandish cases. We can't put it into law. They'll go out and do it. Amazing. Orally stimulate the what?

No, no, no, no the what? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, no, no, no. Keep it legal. Keep it legal. Don't put an instruction manual out for satisfaction of female sex organs, please. That's the law. The law is like,

and then don't do this, and then don't do this, and then if she's responding like this, don is like, and then don't do this. And then don't do this. And then if she's responding like this, don't do this. Definitely don't do this. Yeah. Margaret Killjoy, such a pleasure having you on daily zeitgeist. Yeah.

Thanks for having me. Check out her show. Cool people who did cool stuff. And, uh, where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff.

I'm on Twitter way more often than I wish I was, which is at magpiekilljoy. And I'm on Instagram way more than I wish I was at margaretkilljoy. And you can find my books by searching my name and things like that. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, yes. The tweet I picked fits in very well with all of this. Jake Hanrahan, a war correspondent, tweeted on May 18th, another military enlistment building in Russia set on fire by activists. This one is on the outskirts of Moscow. All right.

Yeah, they keep going up. They keep going up. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying oh boy you can find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray if you like basketball check out miles and jack got mad boosties our basketball podcast and if you like trash reality show check out 420 day fiance where sophia alexandra and i talk about 90 day fiance in an elevated fashion. Let's see some tweets that I like. First one is actually from Summer Lee, who just won in Pennsylvania.

Despite the outside spending, Dave Wasserman tweeted, I've seen enough state rep. Summer Lee wins the PA 12 Dem primary defeating Steve Irwin and she tweeted 4.5 mil fire emoji and garbage can because that's how much outside spending was done to keep a friggin corporate dem there's like no no no we can't get these people who are like saying stuff about apartheid states no I don't like to talk like that another one is from uh let's see oh pixelated boat at Boat. At Pixelated Boat tweeted, just as Elon Musk predicted, now that he's a Republican, his political enemies are smearing him

by making him pay $250,000 four years ago to settle his sexual misconduct claim. Yes, the time travelers won again. And then finally, just from Jason Concepcion at Network with a three instead of an E tweeted, Well, I'm a fascist now and it's your fault. And that's every billionaire after getting roasted online. Yep, that was mine.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. It was the one tweet I read while I was sick these past two days. Oh, no. See, if anything, I was assisting you. I was lending you my voice. Al Youp and I dunked it home. There you go. That was mine. That was it. There was. It was that one. There was.

Yeah, check out the Robert Dory episode of Miles and Jack got my boost. Oh, yeah. That was a blast. You want to hear us nerd out. You want to hear childlike excitement in our voices, check that episode out. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do we think people might enjoy actually margaret are you cool if if we go out on a feminist school track oh yeah sure please do please uh let's i mean i would like let you pick one what do you think is a good entry song

for people like i i like metal and i'm gonna see my sugar in a couple weeks uh but i'm curious what other like what you think is a good track just to get the people interested because we we touched on your yeah your genius so let's let's indulge all right well one of our weirdest and heaviest songs that i'm really excited about is called a malocht which is a just irish for a curse and And it is actually our latest single. It's our Adult Swim single. Nice. Okay, so this is going to be Amalacht from Feminon School.

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