The Daily Zeitgeist - Starbucks Hype Beasts, Senate Dinosaurs Finally Get it? 10.6.21

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

In episode 1003, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and comedian Joey Clift to discuss how hospitals weren't bluffing with their vaccine mandates, does congress finally understanding Facebook? Starbucks Stans and more!FOOTNOTES: Joey's "How to Cope with Your Team Changing Its Native American Mascot" Video Hospitals weren’t bluffing, get VAXX’d or GET FUKT Maybe Frances Haugen can convince Congress to do something this time Starbucks Stans LISTEN: AJRadico - "Armore" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Soaking I've heard it referred to as both But one thing we know is It is irrevocably true And I'm thrilled to be joined As always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray! Seems like each time I bring you over to mine, yeah, we just always end up soaking again.

And just as it was getting up, you said it wasn't good enough. We need a friend to jump on the bed. Baby, you want me to get hard. So could you remove that bedside photo of God? Cause I'm in so deep and I'm trying to keep myself stiff as a board to not anger our Lord. Yeah, I'm in so deep and I'm starting to scream at my friend who's bouncing. Please start bouncing harder. Please start bouncing harder.

And that is from Pogs Moran. A little shout out to the Church of Latter-day Saints. In Too Deep by Sum 41 collab. Thank you for that one. Beauty. Oh, and the National Day. I mean, look, this is a huge day. So get ready for, let me just run a few uh off for you national walk to school day national pumpkin seed day national plus size

appreciation day national orange wine day national noodle day and the list goes on and also national german american day so yeah with me just uh as a kind of update on where I'm at, I was just having a conversation with my three-year-old about the difference between fruits and vegetables. And I think this must happen to every parent where they realize that the whole thing about like there being seeds in fruits but not vegetables is complete and utter bullshit. Because I was like yeah well so

a tomato is actually a fruit because it has seeds and he was like yeah but what about like zucchini what about cucumbers what about pumpkins and i realized that i had been lied to my whole life and i've been made to look like a fool in front of my three-year-old. Whoa. Whoa. So I'm not happy about this. But Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant TV writer, performer, enrolled Cowlitz Indian tribal member, and all-around comedy guy, to quote his website. He's written on shows for Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, DreamWorks, and is a staff writer on the upcoming Netflix fantasy adventure series Spirit Rangers,

please welcome the hilarious, the talented Joey Clare! Joey! Hey, how's it going, everybody? And I gotta jump in with a song, too. I think I know the game. Oh, soaking is really clean. She's got jumping, humping on a bed, buh, buh. You know I read it in a socazine. Uh, so-so-so-soaking on a bed, but, but, you know, I read it in a Socazine.

Soaking on a bed. Oh, soaking on a bed. Have you done it yet? Oh, but they're so jump humped out. Soaking on a bed. Wow. Soaking, soaking, good on a bed done jump pump jump jump jump oh yeah it's almost like someone's jump pumping on the piano keyboard that would a great animated short that would make

yeah i uh i always every time i'm on the daily side guys thanks for having me back by the way i forget about the song parody game, and then while you're doing it, I'm just like, oh, I gotta panic. Google, what's the song that I know the tune to that I can very quickly do a parody of off the top of my head? Damn. Yeah. Well, a testament to your quick mind there.

Also, Jack, you know, a lot of people, like, that, I believe that you would still consider a cucumber an eggplant, a zucchini, a fruit. Yeah. Well, but I don't. Okay. That's fine.

That's fair. Not in my household, Miles. Not here. Get that out of here. Get that off the pot. I don't like that kind of science. Not for me. So what is a vegetable then?

It's just like carrots? Is that like carrots and potatoes? That's good. That's the only vegetable then? It's just like carrots? Is that like carrots? That's the only vegetable. I'm just trying to think of it. And then like bananas have really tiny seeds that like you can't really even see. It's a mess in there. Come on, science. Isn't that the difference is that fruits have seeds in them, whereas vegetables are like the pulp with the, I don't know.

I'm not a scientist. I'm a county writer. I guess like the other thing is like there's a botanical and culinary ways they look at it. So like a fruit, like, you know, because it's saying what part of the plant it's coming from. Right. So those ones will technically be the fruit because it's coming from the flower of the plant. And then the other ones could be, I guess, vegetables. Look, at the end of the day, I go with the seed rule and it allows me to be an insufferable asshole at supermarkets.

Yeah, I feel like when I was a kid, I used to go by the taste rule and that fruits tend to have like a sweeter taste. Right. And vegetables tend to be, you know, a little bit more like savory is not the right word for it, but like a little bit bland, like not as much sweetness. Right. And then like, you know, you find out that tomatoes are technically fruits and that just threw me all off. Tomato sauce is a fruit smoothie, basically. Get the fuck out of here with that. Come on.

It's like applesauce. Although the tomato is actually a fruit was like, I think my first like counterfactual, like, actually, it's kind of surprising. But when I was like five years old, so. You like actually it's kind of surprising but when i was like five years old so you know what's funny though i i reacted like you are now to someone saying i go no it's not just stop just shut up right like well it's technically i'm like well technically we're about to not eat lunch together yeah i was like that when it was announced that Pluto wasn't a planet. And I was just like, hey, alternate thought, fuck you. How about this? Oh, okay.

But yeah, Miles, this is what you were talking about, about applesauce a second ago. One of my, I guess I would say, early pandemic panic purchases, the first couple of days when we were all trying to grab toilet paper and stuff like that, I was in the supermarket and I just saw a 24-pack of applesauce that I was just like, oh, that's calories just in case it gets real bad.

I do not really like applesauce. It is since like, and it was like four bucks. So I was like, oh, this will do. It's been sitting on my kitchen table for a year and a half at this point. It expired in april i have not thrown it away though because it's just comforting to me that it's there and also a reminder of my shame i guess yeah and you can if you want to have a party just pop one of them open down hell yeah dude i turned into pruno or something by this point yeah anyway back to the benny and the jets parody oh man i could do i could do the whole episode about this yeah

all right we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first a few things that we're gonna be talking about we We're going to talk about hospitals, aka communist China, firing everybody because they just wouldn't get the vaccine. Okay, 1984. Okay, big brother. We're going to talk about Francis Haugen, the Facebook whistleblower. Are we pronouncing it Haugen? Haugen? Haugen, yeah. Haugen, Facebook whistleblower. Are we pronouncing it Haugen? Haugen? Haugen, yeah. Haugen, who went and spoke in front of Congress and like sort of for the first time spoke in English that the Congress people were able to understand. We'll talk about Starbucks stands, collectors items, and of course, the war on Christmas has started, it being October. And of course, the war on Christmas has started, it being October. So we will talk about the tropes that are getting picked up on the right and the ones that are being ignored as hard as possible.

All of that, plenty more. But first, Joey, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? I'm not really a big sports person. I'm somebody that I would consider to be like kind of a fair weather sports fan and that, you know, I grew up around Washington State. So of course, when Washington teams are doing great, I'm happy. But I just released an animated short through Comedy Central about Native American sports mascots. And we planned to release it around kind of the last game that the Cleveland Indians played under that name. They announced they were changing the name last year,

but they wanted to do, you know, full season under that name as a, I don't know, farewell tour, I guess. A farewell fuck you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we released the short last week. The Cleveland Indians played their last game under that name on Sunday. So for probably months months every few days I would like panic google what are the chances of the Cleveland Indians getting into the playoffs because I'm just like oh if they like do well

yeah it's like oh like it's like we're set for October something but if they get into the playoffs then the video might not come out until December. Oh, that would suck. So it's the most, like, I've never rooted against a team so hard for, I guess, selfish purposes. No, not selfish at all. Yeah, yeah, because it's like, oh, if they do well, it might affect my, like, video release. What are they going to be now? The Boomers or something? The Boomers? The Cleveland Baby Boomers.

What is it? The Guardians? It's just like a 60-year-old person on Facebook sharing an anti-vax meme. Or like, they should still be the Indians. Yeah, that's his voice bubble. Because, yeah, mascots have voice bubbles, right?

Yeah, always. A person hunched over Facebook Indians. Yeah. That's his, that's his voice bubble. Cause yeah, mascots have voice bubbles, right? Yeah. Yeah. Always. Yeah. Yeah. Person on a hunched over Facebook on a computer. Hell yeah. I mean,

I think that that would be appropriate of a boomer culture. And if boomers did not like that, I get it. Right. Yeah. Our time under traditions. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not, not our mascots. The boomers will say, but yeah, so that's something that I have. And it was, it was great. Cause like, Not our mascots, the boomers will say. But yeah, so that's something that I have.

And it was great because I feel like a couple months ago, they had like a 5% chance of getting the playoffs, but they haven't played great. And the Chicago White Sox, I think, have played really well. So their chances of getting into the playoffs dropped a little bit more and it was like once i hit like less than one percent chance i was like oh i think i'm in the clear and then the week of the thing it was like zero percent chance of getting the playoffs and i was like hell yeah yeah baseball playoffs are upon us tis the season to uh notice that baseball is still a sport that people watch

and yeah a lot of that old merch from the rebrand, they're just like, they're donating it, also selling it, but then giving the proceeds to charity. Right. I don't know which charity that is, but... It's just, it's a fan named Charity who they just give extra money to. Oh, it's the owner's granddaughter.

Yeah, the owner's granddaughter, Charity. Right. They are changing the name to the Cleveland Guardians, Oh, it's the it's changing. Not a great name. I got a lot of replies with people giving me, linking off to like 25 minute long YouTube videos explaining the name. And you watch that and now you're super anti-vax. What is something you think is overrated? I'm a really big professional wrestling fan. It's something I've been a fan of my entire life, pretty much. And there are a series of matches that happened in the 2010s in

New Japan Pro Wrestling, a wrestler named Kenny Omega versus a wrestler named Okada, which are considered to be the greatest professional wrestling matches in the history of professional wrestling. Dave Meltzer is a pro wrestling journalist of note who has a five-star scale of how he rates matches in terms of quality. And one of the Okada Omega matches, he rated seven stars, which like broke his scale. It was so good.

And I got to say, I just don't see it. I'm a big pro wrestling fan. The matches are like, the problem with them is that they're all like 40- long epics so it's sort of like sitting down to you know like a three-hour movie or something like that in pro wrestling match terms and i don't know i just kind of want to watch people do flips and kick each other in the face i'm not sure if i want 20 minutes of like slow mat wrestling action to get to the cool stuff, you know, that's funny.

There is a bias, like in certain, you know, fan bases where I feel like the longer the movie for a while was, it was considered like, well, that's a, that's a classy movie,

even though I think a lot of times, like you should at least have a couple 90 minute movies on your like top five list. It shouldn't just all yeah three hour long epics you know like sometimes you're in the mood for like a four hour long you know like sometimes you're in the mood for citizen kane or whatever or sometimes you're in the mood for like yeah like a 90 minute like die hard or something like that where it's just like someone getting hit by a train yeah totally totally totally and it's i think it's you know like both of those wrestlers are so good and like i'm a fan of okada and omega separately it's just like this thing that the

fandom has called the best series of matches of all time and i'm like yeah it's i don't know it's like sometimes you want you know a seven minute long like Rush song or something like that. Or sometimes you want like a minute 30 punk song. And like, yeah, I feel like I'm more on the minute 30 punk song side of things. Yeah. One of my like my mom's really good close friends is used to be married to that wrestler Masa Saito, who's Mr. Saito. Oh, yeah. WF like back in the day.

And I remember around the time i was so into wrestling that i went when we were in japan she's like oh come out we're having like the i forget whatever like with all those tournaments like the g1 climax oh hell yeah the g1 fucking rules yeah so i went to one of those and i was like i was like i'm ready because i had already been to a couple you know wwf house shows and a wrestlemania and i was like okay this is it and the culture around the shows were so different i was like having this like sort of bit of wrestling culture clash happening right uh but it's true like it is it offers like a completely different version whereas to me a 14 year old who's just

been mainlining duane the rock the Rock Johnson, like clips. I was a little bit like, OK, yeah, that was cool. That was there was some cool stuff in there. Yeah. Technical stuff in there. Yeah. And like NJPW, it's it's really good. It's like I would say that if WWE is like the action movie form of wrestling where it's just like, yeah, the Undertaker shooting out fireballs like Kane's long lost brother, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like NJPW is like, oh oh this is like the sport version of this right like you know there's not there's not like magic stuff nobody is like secretly a demon or whatever right it's very much just like oh these are two like top of their form athletes who like understand the sport of

professional wrestling to a t and like are so good at like the performative aspects of it so it's like it's a little bit more real in how they perform their moves like uh they hit like there's this thing called strong style where wrestlers will hit each other for real as hard as humanly possible but in safe spaces so it's like a forearm as hard as you can to like the shoulder where it might hurt but it's not gonna like right knock you out like that right it's like punching on the shoulder like sort of when you're a kid like with a thing that i feel like young boys getting someone a dead arm like yeah yeah okay you get one you got one get one i'll take it i can take it right there go yeah

when the wrestlers are really good at like uh there's a star named kota bushi who's like one of the best wrestlers in the world who famously does a lot of like just insane drops on his neck like he gets pile driven straight on his neck all the time and it like looks insane and the way that he can do that is he just does a lot of neck exercises wow so it's sort of that thing of like oh they like do the moves for real to each other but they are trained in such a way that they're like not going to get injured doing it whereas wwe is more the showmanship side of it of like it's like wwe is a little bit you know faker for lack of a better term in that like things are a little bit more slight of handed away as to how things are done whereas njpw it's just like oh dudes are just dropping each other

on their necks for real. Right, right, right. And then people like in like a backyard match in like Tampa are like, did you see that clip? Yeah, we should try that on a regular folding table and then be surprised when someone has a TBI. Oh yeah, for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of all the places to, you know, do the sleight of hand that convinces people to do really dangerous things i feel like america not the best choice for that right right right do you have a uh top match like that you think is at the top of the pyramid yeah it should be i mean it changes all the time it's like probably my all-time is definitely going to be like undertaker versus mcfoley hell in a cell

1988 which is like the most famous pro wrestling match of all time where mcfoley got like thrown up the cell a bunch of times and um something i really love about that match is i was doing a show just just before the pandemic where i was like workshopping a half hour show but i had the theater booked for an hour so i was just like okay i'm gonna workshop this show then afterwards we'll watch this hell in a cell match i guess so i had like a theater of 20 people primarily comedy people not wrestling fans that like were so on board for this match like it's like they came in you know as like you know like ironic comedians but they left being like oh that was like real as shit and cool as hell and i'm like yeah that's why pro wrestling is great yeah so yeah i would

say that's probably all time but there's so many like great matches specifically coming out of like njpw and aew like the young bucks versus the lucha bros in a cage a couple months ago at all out was like probably one of the best tag team cage matches of all time like kenny omega versus brian danielson at arthur ash stadium two weeks ago was like probably one of the best TV matches of all time. Like we're definitely in like a golden age of cool wrestling right now as far as non-WWE stuff goes. That's great. What is something you think is underrated? Something I think is underrated. I'm going to say I'm a really big Garfield stan. I love Garfield a lot, but I'm going to say that Garfield's nemes heathcliff is underrated i think heathcliff comics heathcliff the other orange cat who actually predates garfield by a few months people often

think that heathcliff is a garfield clone but really garfield is kind of a heathcliff clone but um what i love about heathcliff comics in the modern day is they're just batshit crazy with no punch lines it's like the most Dadaist comedy I have ever seen in my life. Like they introduced a character called the Garbage Ape, who's just an ape who loves garbage, I guess. And there aren't jokes. It's just the entire comic will be like

the Garbage Ape walking down the street, you know, carrying trash cans, while below it, it says, the Garbage Ape is is here and that's the whole comic so it's like as somebody who likes batshit chaos in my comedy heathcliff comics he's delivering he cliffs fucking mainline me the fucking perfect shit i mean i'm just looking i just googled heathcliff comics and the second one one is Heathcliff descending on a sort of hang glider toward a store that says meat on it. And it's two butchers outside looking at him and saying he's got a serious meat tooth. he's also probably wearing a helmet that says meat on it right unfortunately he's not but that i that was going to be my one punch up for uh yeah he should check out his meat head yeah that is

something another like fun and weird thing is like he wears helmets that like have words on them but you can't really parse the logic of like whether he likes the thing with a on it or not it's like he'll be walking to a meat store with a helmet that says meat on it or he'll be like drinking kool-aid wearing a helmet that says kool-aid or something and it's just like what i don't understand what's happening or why any of this is like heathcliff is pushing two tiny robots on a swing set and the quote says he's great with robot children yeah yeah and it's like that's what the fuck is sure there's one like with garbage ape in a tank and it just says like the garbage ape got a tank today or something yeah this is a this is a good garbage ape cats rejoice at the garbage apes approach yeah there's like the the kind of voice that it's written in

changes like that one cats rejoice at the garbage apes approach and it's just an ape holding two garbage cans as cats dance around like that's kind of biblical this one this one's i think it's actually a direct quote from the Bible. This one has Heathcliff pushing a wheelbarrow full of dazed dogs. And a dog catcher is saying, he often borrows my wheelbarrow and such. The and such is such a, like that one seems like it's been, the person fell asleep halfway through writing it or was falling asleep. He often throws my wheelbarrow and such and shit or whatever. Yeah. Here's I'm sending you one that's garbage ape pouring lemonade to a line of cats.

It says on the front of his booth, ape aid. And then the text is just courtesy of the garbage ape. Oh, Heathcliff. How did you not have more staying power than Garfield? I watched a lot of Heathcliff growing up. I think more Heathcliff than Garfield when I was a kid. Yeah, I did too. Mainly blown away by his ability to skeletonize a fish just

with his mouth. Just like pull that, pull that bad boy out. That's actually a bit that I'm thinking about doing. I did a bit in November where I was pretty, I had like 8,000 Twitter followers and I really wanted to hit 10,000. So I posted on Twitter like, Oh, if I get 10,000 Twitter followers by the end of the year,'ll film myself eating lasagna like Garfield like just taking a tray of lasagna and just throwing it into my mouth I got it thought it was going to take a couple months it took like four hours or something like that

so I had to make that video I covered my kitchen in a tarp to do it and I'm like oh like imitating comic characters to get Twitter followers maybe I should say that I'm going to like eat a fish like Heath Clue which we're all like trying to put it in my mouth and debone it but i'm not gonna like treat the fish so it's just gonna be a video of me trying to put a full fish head in my mouth and then coughing a lot and then maybe puking yeah or you just do one you just make it look like those like those videos

you see on reddit where it's like uh my first day skateboarding and then my thousandth day skateboarding. We just see like this progression. And then the last one, just clean. I feel like the last one is just going to be like a shot of my tombstone and R.I.P. Joey Cliff. He died doing what he loved, imitating a cartoon cat. Doing what he loved, which i think was just choking on fish heads that's what he did the last couple years of his life yeah yeah because as we all know tombstones always have the cause of death listed on the tombstone i figured go for it you

know just to just to get a get every passerby a bit of uh yeah of a little bit of context of like how, how it all, how the magic happened. Way more interesting than what we actually go with, which is like, everybody is a beloved like son or father, like the fuck out of here. Tell us how they died. No,

I want it to be like Joey Clift, date of birth, date of death. He got ate by an alligator. Right. Yeah. That was great. Absolutely wrecked by a dump truck. date of birth, date of death, he got ate by an alligator. Miles Gray, absolutely wrecked by a dump truck.

Hell yeah. Some people get like even more just like not tragic dump truck, like absolutely wrecked. Tore up by that dump truck. Don't even know what's in that coffin. It was so bad.

My question walking past that would be like, did he get hit by it or did he get like ground up did he get like dumped into it and crushed into a cube yeah you got wrecked that's up to you to envision you know and then it's got like a an etching on the tombstone of you getting pulled out by a but it's like a funny cartoon version of you with x's over your head and then my soul going up hell yeah yeah playing a harp all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back hello everyone i am Lacey Lamar. And I'm Amber Ruffin, a better Lacey Lamar.

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Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so we've seen an increased enthusiasm from, you know, municipalities, healthcare systems to ensure that people comply with vaccine mandates. In New York, there have been many stories of health care workers like trying to unite as anti-vaxxers against these mandates and hoping that, you know, staffing shortage would prevent them from being terminated. And this is the one time that I am team fuck the unionization of these employees because they fucked around and found out. Yeah, you know, I think they're finding out that a hospital is, in fact, a workplace where the medical profession is respected and the centuries of research that their entire field rests upon, they acknowledge. And, you know, I'm also trying to keep patients and workers safe. And so the Northwell health system, they said 1,400 employees who refused to be vaccinated,

they were fired. And the system, this health care system is like on Long Island. And they said it's like more than 74,000 people are employed there. So 98% of the employees were like, yeah, yeah. Okay. I, I, I will be vaccinated, but you know, I think this also, the other part of it is they're saying like, look, you're fired, but if you get your shit together and get vaccinated, so you're not, you know, an infection vector within a hospital building, then you're more than welcome to reapply for a position. And, you know, a lot of activists or i'll say active obviously use air quotes because i'm not sure what exactly you call them true american heroes true american patriots if you will yeah because it'll be taps playing at their funeral they choose to focus very narrowly

like on the fact that they're just being made to do something that i should have a choice in when the fact is we're still living in a pandemic, people are still continuing to die needlessly, and being vaccinated helps us reduce the transmission of the virus and keeps people and vulnerable people safe, like young kids. And I just bring that up because I just read this story that this family in Virginia, And I just bring that up because I just read this story that this family in Virginia, their 10 year old daughter passed away from covid complications. She went from having a headache to passing away in five days. And then she got a positive test, like posthumously.

They like the result came in. They're like, oh, it was covid complications. they found like the one of the mothers was saying that her 10 year old daughter was being made to be like the covid like nurse for this the class so if a kid was sick they would she this little girl would walk them to the nurse's office or if they had to like they needed their books because like they were too sick to be at school like this little girl was then bringing them the books now this is just being you know this is this is what the parents are saying happened and they're investigating it still, but still just shows you how vulnerable people are, whether she got it there or another place. It's just so clear. We're not doing every possible thing we can to keep people safe and also making

it easy for people to do what is safe because we're still caught in this thing of like, get back to work or, you know, the pandemic is over selectively. Um, uh, a few things on that, something that's so interesting to me about like the, the common thought or a lot of anti-vaxxers is we don't know what's in the vaccine, which yes we do. And also tell me what's in Mike's hard lemonade. Like, you know, if you're like... Tell me what's in every single thing you eat today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It's like, I feel like there's a level of, like, unearned suspicion about something that, like, maybe shouldn't exist.

And we're seeing, like, the consequences of that. Yeah, like 10-year-olds getting COVID and dying of it. That's nuts. And like, there is such this weird focus on like, you know, 1400 people getting fired over not getting vaccinated. Whereas we're not focusing on the 94% of people at that hospital that did

get vaccinated, you know, like it's it is just this weird, I don't know. It's like looking for talking points and looking for facts that like that boost up your opinion on the thing with while ignoring the wide swath of facts that are in the opposite direction, you know? Mm hmm. Yeah. It's the don't I got rights a vacation of America to quote the Rocky scene that Miles is a fan of. Don't I got rights? Sorry, in what context, sir, are you talking about?

He's just lost a hearing from a boxing committee where they were talking about the medical implications of him boxing again as a 70-year-old. again as like a 70 year old and then he turns around and says don't i got rights which is suggests an understanding of rights as i have the right to do whatever i want whenever i want yeah exactly and that seems to be the overall yeah i guess that you there's nothing stopping you from like walking into the middle of the street, ignoring a crosswalk. But if you get your shit wrecked by a dump truck, R.I.P. Miles. R.I.P. R.I.P. Cue hard music.

But you should have seen that shit. It was so cool. It was fucking sick. It was so touchy. I can even admit it, bro. You should have seen that shit. That's me in heaven. Oh, dude, I was fucking wrecked.

That's what it says on the tombstone is, he got wrecked by a dump truck dot dot dot it was sick as shit you should have seen that shit bro yeah yeah but it's it is yeah i don't know it is it is uh like i saw i i heard a fact or like kind of a thought on twitter that like if we maintain our current vaccine rights we will still be in a pandemic in or still be at the same level that we're at of lockdown until like 2025. And like, that's nuts. That's like a good chunk of our lives to be like locked down in a pandemic. And it's because so many people are not willing to get vaccinated or wear masks or do like any safety precautions on this like massive global pandemic that we're in and yeah you know

i'm glad that hospitals are mandating people who work at hospitals to get vaccinated because like i don't want to catch covid from a nurse if i come in with like a sprained toe or something you know right yeah who's been like hey have you want to follow my tiktok kid and i'm like stuff on there and i'm like yes i do also wear a mask okay okay that's fair that's fair here so follow me first and then i'll put the mask on show me on your phone no no no gotta be at the same time all right all right okay all right all right gentleman's agreement okay it's literally like arguing that you have the right to drive drunk like it's you know yeah you're putting other people's lives in danger you're putting your own life in danger and even though that's the thing you want to do it doesn't give you the right to do that well yeah

it's like at a certain point like i mean this is like so much of the conversation right it's like some people are like i have rights to do whatever i want whatever we live in society you know blah blah but like which one you do you do not have the right to do whatever you want, whatever we live in society, you know, blah, blah, blah. But like, which one you do, you do not have the right to do whatever you want. That is not what's written in the constitution. And two, it's like, Oh, we like, like we, we have to live together in a society. Like we all live in cities together. We all live in communities together. And like, if you drive around drunk, that affects other people, you know? Exactly. Yeah. Right. And it's like, well, then you might want to move to a society

where no one gives a fuck about anyone else. That might be the one you're more interested in, because it's almost like they're trying to navigate within, well, a majority of people are doing the right thing. And so I'm using that to give myself like the basis to be, well, it's probably not that bad a lot of other people are safe but this is what i want to do very narrowly so this is my version of feeling free don't be bullied into not drunk driving okay don't be bullied don't let the thought bullies uh you know do your own research right yeah on facebook which speaking of Francis Haugen which is how German people say Hulk Hogan

last name has I don't know man I don't know man keep it I don't know man come on now Francis Haugen has now testified in front of Congress in like words that it seems like they might be able to understand based on their response.

Yeah. I mean, because I think this one for a lot of people, it feels like this could be a slightly different moment as it relates to Facebook and talking Facebook on Capitol Hill. Because typically when the Senate hauls Facebook up to the hill for some just good old splaining, it's usually some very slick representative or a lawyer or like an alien form of Mark Zuckerberg, like doing the talking. And people that are like, these are all people that are like well-versed in obscuring like the sins of Facebook, like through their like rhetorical mastery and just being like well you know i think i'd have to get back to you but actually the way this product is you know it's

all this just it's it's just a lot of sidestepping when hard questions are being asked well yeah i mean and they're also explaining like they're also doing this like, they're also doing this, like, sick explanation. That's like explanation to, like, octogenarians who don't know what computers are. So, like, that's part of it, too, you know? Yeah. Oh, a huge part. So it's just very easy for them to go by because they'll be like, what's Finsta? And they're like, that's not us, sir. You're confused, old man.

Here's your applesauce. And I think your tapioca is getting warm. It's like oh thank you and they've just completely sidestepped the question well haugen has come out here and just letting these dinosaurs know very straightforward and very plain words from the beginning so this is haugen just coming to the the senators being very direct straightforward and letting them know hey you know um there's actual, let me just say this in normal sentences, what is happening at Facebook.

During my time at Facebook, I came to realize a devastating truth. Almost no one outside of Facebook knows what happens inside of Facebook. The company intentionally hides vital information from the public, from the U.S. government, and from governments around the world. The documents I have provided to Congress prove that Facebook has repeatedly misled the public about what its own research reveals about the safety of children, the efficacy of its artificial intelligence systems, and its role in spreading divisive and extreme messages. So that seems like an easy follow.

Just, yeah, you've, you're, you're blowing the whistle. You're saying everything you thought you knew you act, in fact, do not know because there is a policy there to keep as many people in the dark as possible. And that was sort of one of our first statements and people were like, okay, well, well, what else is going on? What, what, what else can you, can you tell us is happening? And, you know, I think she said she stresses the same thing about this whole profits over people thing, which we've seen constantly over and over again, which is that when push comes to shove, they will choose whatever they have to do to make money. That's it.

That's all that, that's all that this company is going to do. And again, just so for the elders in the back, in case you were understanding, let me just say, it's not just algorithms or things like that. These are the choices that are being made at Facebook. During my time at Facebook, first working as the lead product manager for civic misinformation, and later on counterespionage, I saw Facebook repeatedly encounter conflicts between its own profits and our safety. Facebook consistently resolved these conflicts in favor of its own profits. The result has been more division, more harm, more lies, more threats, and more combat.

In some cases, this dangerous online talk has led to actual violence that harms and even kills people yeah surprises well when it's it's not just uh like i mean like in the industry that we work in like we've experienced facebook just you know presumably just flat out lying about stuff in a way that like just destroys entire industries like uh like a lot of us worked in work or worked in like kind of the digital comedy space you know writing for you know comedy websites who uh you know when facebook started allowing videos on their platform they like goosed the numbers on all of their videos so all of a sudden you'd see somebody post a video from their kid's birthday party and then it would look like it had like 5 million views

or something like that. And then every comedy website was just like, oh, Pivot to Video, only on Facebook. And then that turned out to be like just a horrible idea because Facebook just, you know, kind of tweaked those numbers. They're like, if you scroll past it, it's a view. You're like, no, it isn't.

Although at my time at certain companies, the people who were running departments were like, we love it just because even Yeah. At my time, a certain company is like the people who are running departments. We love it. Just just because even if they don't watch, it says down there was viewed three million times. Yeah. And that's something that like is it's, you know, a big reason that like online sketch comedy is just not a thing anymore is like because Facebook convinced all these places to pivot to video. because Facebook convinced all these places to pivot to video. They hired huge video teams and this caused like too much overhead, which caused them to have to like shut down and lay off all of their staffs

because it turns out that like Facebook was goosing those numbers and the companies were seeing no profit from these huge video teams that they were starting. So, yeah, you know, if they'll like do, you know, if they'll work in such a way that's self-serving for that, then, yeah, for sure. I'm sure Facebook like, you know, gooses things in other areas, as this a real popular defense that Facebook, you know, will deploy a lot of times, like, you know, we don't really need any like regulation because we're not like, like this is not like an infrastructure people are using.

Like it's really like a platform that people come on. We're just cool. We're trying to start our own, trying to start a new world, everybody. It's cool shit, you know. It's not infrastructure, but you know, when their whole shit went down for five hours on monday that certainly blew that argument up because it became really clear

because many people were like suddenly unable to communicate with people over whatsapp internationally like many people do use whatsapp for or even like a lot of people who maybe do they're like run a small business on instagram suddenly like I'm losing out on my livelihood because this thing went down. I don't know what's going on. I think a lot of people begin to like that is providing a lot of robust infrastructure for people to communicate or create a livelihood. So what it's still just this casual thing. My version of that, which I would say is equal in levels of stress and importance, is I have a pro wrestling group chat on Facebook. And when Facebook shut down, I had to be like, OK, what's everybody's phone numbers?

Let's put everybody on a cell phone. So we had to like migrate the pro wrestling group chat to text message for five hours just so we could like talk about the sweet wrestling news and rumors without like losing that infrastructure. So like, but that is a real thing that is like just facebook messenger instagram messenger and all that are like ways that businesses communicate at this point and like yeah or just using shops through instagram like if you're just being like hey here's my bespoke whatever where's i'm you know creating that facebook's a great place for people or instagram and facebook has been a place where people have been able like i i'm actually making my living uh using this stuff

when i was working in the online comedy space like there there was a slow but steady kind of change from things you would get a lot of traffic from facebook and then like they would start like kind of squeezing it down and squeezing it down and then like I went to a symposium like put on by Facebook you had to just like focus on Facebook because that's where so much of the traffic was coming from and like the people were like yeah industry-wide uh page placement is really the only thing that's working and it was just like a given all of a sudden that like you just had to pay to get to distribute your content on on facebook so that's like another way that they just like took out any small content creator yeah it's like if you have

a facebook page with a million followers and you post a video to it usually like pre this it would show up in the news feeds of all million of your followers yeah then facebook started doing kind of like this thing where oh it would only go to like 10 of your followers and then based on like how it does in analytics then they would slowly parse it out to like the other million or you could give facebook a hundred dollars and they would immediately put it out to all million people yeah yeah and a bunch of people you don't even know yeah about that and give me a hundred bucks but that's you know you are either paying them a shitload of money or you know doing like a fucking rain dance like to hope that the facebook gods smile on you that

day and like tweak the algorithm in a way that makes it like a little bit fair to the little guy. But all of that to say that all publishers are still presumably like non podcast publishers, I guess, are still presumably very focused on like what Facebook's preferences are. Yeah. And I feel like that has to influence like what we see, like the the this story, Miles, that you put in here, like just made me wonder about the Finsta thing, which was like in and of itself, like inherently funny. and was sort of the thing that overshadowed or like that was like the main takeaway from that day of testimony was the senator being like what's a finsta can you not do any more finstas like i i have to feel like that people saw that that was getting a great response on facebook and that facebook kind of encouraged that along because why the fuck wouldn't they sure but i think also,

I mean, if you're looking at very cynically how we would at the Senate, it's just like, even organically, I would look at that and go, this is the fucking problem. For sure. He's supposed to haul these people up here for answers. And he's just getting like,

he's wasting his breath getting explained like a thing that isn't necessarily as consequential than the purpose of the hearing. But yeah, I mean, but yes, that I i think like they say she goes on to say we all live in a world that is being affected by facebook whether you are on there or not there are many people that are so yeah to that point i'm sure there's there's an element to that i just want to say a quick side note on a jack saying the term rain dance i was like, it's like I'm a native person and I've like heard that phrase a lot. But I was like, wait, what did tribes really do that? Or is that just a thing that people say that tribes did?

And I just Googled it. I just want to say shout out to the Zuni tribe of the Southwest. They did rain dances. It's not totally a thing that people just made up that Native folks don't actually do. The Zuni tribe does it. So shout out to the Zunis. Yeah, there you go. A teaching moment.

Yeah, yeah. That was a teaching moment for me, too, because I was just like, wait, I've only seen the stereotype of that. But is that a real thing? You know. Right, right, right. part of this that was very interesting was suddenly richard blumenthal the famous man behind the finsta comment his energy was a lot different too which i found to be again like things feel a little bit different about this hearing because now i think i'm sure richard blumenthal has read up now on everything facebook also looks like he put a little color in his hair

but a little bit just to look a little... I mean, it's always been that form of denying I'm aging brown. I think the reason for his fire is that he has a Facebook page, and Facebook shut down, and he was just like, No, my Heathcliff memes!

He's like, They love ape. He was just like, No. There was five hours where he couldn't read a garbage ape and he was panicking. Yeah. His staffers were having to like make ones on paper. What about this one, Senator? And it's like, oh, no, this has a logical punch line. That's not what garbage ape would have.

Heathcliff's tooth is on the other side, you ignoramus. Heathcliff is wearing a helmet that has a word on it that you can track the logic of. Get out of here. Right. So this is him saying, he's coming with some way different energy rather than, what's Finsta? He's like, Mark, get over here. Mark Zuckerberg ought to be looking at himself in the mirror today. And yet, rather than taking responsibility and showing leadership, Mr. Zuckerberg is going sailing. His new modus operandi, no apologies, no admission, no action, nothing to see here. Mark Zuckerberg, you need to come before this committee. You need to explain to Francis Haugen, to us, to the world, and to the parents of America what you were doing and why you did it. So this is only about seven years too late.

That's cool. But to that point, I'm not going to give Blumenthal, I'm not going to just start standing up applauding him because there's they they're they're able to do things up there. And Amy Klobuchar, she's also like, let me also let me also come in with a take on to why there's been this glacial pace in terms of us being able to regulate or have oversight over things like Facebook. or have oversight over things like Facebook? We have done nothing when it comes to making the algorithms more transparent, allowing for the university research that you referred to. Why? Because Facebook and the other tech companies are throwing a bunch of money around this town and people are listening to them.

We have done nothing significantly past, although we are on a bipartisan basis, working in the antitrust subcommittee to get something done on consolidation, which you understand allows the dominant platforms to control all this you got the lobbying parts of this where they're like they've bought people's votes so that's an element of it and we're trying to do something but i i don't know that this this i feel like at this point her words francis haugen's words are just so direct and just powerful like to these people that maybe this this will inspire something different there's also like these tech companies are getting so big this is a story from 2018 but like facebook and amazon are

building their own towns for their employees to live in yeah yeah so it's like yeah yeah so it's like there is just this weird level of like yeah we need to have some level of oversight on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, all the hits. Friendster, get the person who runs Friendster in here and let's yell at him. There are a lot of memes about like the other platforms. They kind of be like, well, just fade into the back. Like, I don't know. Yeah, Facebook, huh? They get it together over there.

Right. You know, they're able to like get rid of things like like obscene like child pornography they're very quickly able to like you know get things like that off of the internet and then i think that's why a lot of people are then like but for whatever but white supremacy is just too lucrative so that's why you want to just turn the other way because haugen also said said, too, that prior to the election, they ramped up a lot of the controls to help curb a lot of misinformation and just any chaos around the election because they didn't want a replay of 2016. Or maybe they did, but just to a lesser extent.

But they said once the election happened, they took all those controls off, which really helped all the big lie misinformation really get a ton of interaction on Facebook. And because Facebook was trying to recoup the money they lost from doing the slightly responsible thing before the election. And it's also like the way that companies like Facebook profit are things called like it's engagement, comments shares whatever so like if you get into a facebook argument with like somebody you went to high school with who like doesn't think that vaccines are real or whatever like that's like facebook wants that and like there's also things that they can do with the algorithm to steer you in that direction of like seeing things that they know that you'll disagree with and comment on.

So you'll start those Facebook arguments, which will increase the engagement on the piece or whatever. And like it is just this power that these companies have over like, you know, like how we communicate as people. And yeah, it sure would be cool if somebody who didn't have profit in mind was like, quit it. Right. Yeah, exactly. And you'd hope that like they would have people like Haugen help Congress understand what they can do and what they could do. Rather than Richard Blumenthal asking his granddaughter, what should happen? That's why it's important that people like AOC and congress who are like in their 30s you know people who like have instagram accounts and understand what this stuff is you know yeah rather than someone who's like i don't know my staffer

said i need one of these things i guess so i have that and i have a tiktok but i don't know what it is yeah it's like have them like they have an email that their staffers check for them, you know? Right. They. Yeah, that's a really good point about the like they put input these benevolent seeming values into the or not even benevolent, but just harmless seeming values like engagement into the algorithm and then that ends up leading to these outcomes that they can claim are unintentional they're they're not putting like angry up the facebook community into the algorithm but it's just engagement but that the outcome of that which may be unintended but they're not doing anything to

fix it like is that they just can't be trusted to ever do anything to fix it on their own it's well yeah the only way it can be done is regulation right and society is just all saying like we'll make as much money as you can however you can make people be damned i gotta say one of my favorite facebook interactions to watch was a guy i went to high school with this was probably i want to say two years ago challenged another guy to a fistfight over facebook and like they were on the facebook wall post which i forget what it was about it was probably just like the burners are bad or whatever you know jay buehner was a hack. Yeah. Something like that. But it was like watching them try to plan,

having a fist fight with each other on a Facebook wall was delight. Cause it was just like, like, what time do you get off work? I got off work at 6 PM. Let's meet in this park. No, I actually,

I'm busy tonight. Let's do it. Y'all you're trying to duck this fight, bro. No, I know. I told you, I just have my daughters on,

on Fridays and Saturdays. And I was watching two grown men in their 30s trying to plan a fist fight publicly over Facebook. How are Thursdays for you, bitch? Yeah, it was like a lot of

that. It was like the minutia of like, I can't do it during my lunch break. I mean, sales, if I come back all scraped up i might lose my job i'm not gonna risk that you idiot so actually on second thought now that i'm thinking about that let's leave facebook unregulated yeah one quick aside on the company towns thing joey that you just mentioned. So last week, we talked about Amazon doing these company towns for sort of the laborers that make their business model possible. But I think you were referring to these Facebook and Google company towns that are more for like the executive class that they're building that are going to be these, you knowlysium style like really beautiful you know the way the google campus was held up as like the best place to work because you had all these fucking chefs and

ball pits and slides like they are building these company towns that are like the next step in luxury and like you know communal living but really they're just going to be these hives of like groupthink where which is really dangerous because these companies are you know controlling our country from the top down like in really profound ways and so like you know the more you just get the like-minded people at the top who have all the power just in their own literal bubble, I feel like the worse it's going to get. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Starbucks cups. Hello, everyone. I am Lacey Lamar. And I'm Amber Ruffin, a better Lacey Lamar.

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And we're back and you know the the market this is actually a story that i noticed like five years ago that starbucks collectible cups are a thing because yeah i was at a starbucks and i think i don't know why i was even looking at the collectible cups but they were adamantly saying only one per customer like you could only buy one per customer and i was like wait what is what is happening who's like sweeping these into a duffel bag and it's funny in like all right would you say five years ago i remember about five years ago was around the time too and i would travel a lot for one of my jobs one of my co-workers would be like like whatever city i was in like hey can you grab me like the cup um when you're there and i'm like what like i don't i only have carry on i don't

put like a fucking like what and they were like please like i'll give you all this money to do it and i was like because i just really want them from boston they're like i need the boston one and i was like okay i'll bring it back and they them from Boston. They're like, I need the Boston one. And I was like, okay, I'll bring it back. And they were so fucking grateful. They're like, you don't understand how hard this shit is to get, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, so I see this is like sneakers for white women. Yeah, this is Supreme drops for people in their 40s. Got it.

Yeah. And like, I look and I like collectible shit. I I'm definitely I have a soft spot for nostalgia and things that are like commemorative for especially with things that it relates to, you know, my childhood or adult interests. And, you know, and I've even paid reseller prices for something like a sneaker or a vintage jersey or something like that. But it takes me a long time to resolve to do that because i just hate the i just hate what reselling has done just to sneakers and i've seen that evolution of it being like hey you go to a store to buy the thing you like and then you have it versus someone's gonna buy everything and then just fucking put your back to the wall and be like how much will you pay for this yeah ten thousand dollars for nikes is that what you want and i'm like god i i don't and i can't

so i will wear these crocs tivas instead but last month uh starbucks started pulling out their new 2021 halloween collection and i guess every fall they have new limited edition uh seasonal merchandise which like this year has like a glow-in-the-dark spider web uh and wait how many people would you stab for that glow-in-the-dark dark finally would you would you stab five people four people how many people i mean not honor my arachnid friends eight people and some of these people have come through the reseller game is just out of control. People come in, buy out all the stock, and then they resell them online at markups.

These cups go for around between $20 and $40. They're selling them for like $200 to $300. Some people are selling the whole set for like $1,100. And it's just interesting to watch this because there's this article that sort of like taps into like the reddit community to see what they're saying and their complaints sound exactly like what sneaker heads sounded like 10 years ago of like what the fuck is going on like you're not you're not gonna drink out of this you're just gonna put it on a mantle

yeah right right exactly like where people like wear. You're not going to drink out of that shoe. That's one of the forms I'm in. Nice try. Let me see you drink out of it before you do. Yeah. And a lot of people are saying, this is one person on Reddit quote, I'm from the Bay Area and every store here is wiped out and has been for the past week. I found one for a decent price online and made the person an offer. A couple minutes later, they reject my offer and double the price.

It's impossible to get any cups for these launches unless you pay two to four times the price i went to a starbucks in order to hot chocolate and they didn't have any cups they just poured it into my hands i can't even claim they burned it it was very lukewarm yeah it was yeah yeah the temperature was fine yeah that's like i wonder how much us being you know stuck in our homes is is uh furthering people as far as that stuff goes i feel like there's a similar thing going on in like card collecting right now we're like wasn't there a story over the summer or like it was a thing over the summer of like people showing up at targets like the second that they open on like a Thursday morning,

because that's when the new Pokemon card drop is or something like that. And people getting into like fistfights over like boxes of like football cards or whatever, you know? Like, I think it might be one of those things where like, because you know, like a lot of our social interactions are kind of like lessened right now.

It's like one thing that we do have, we can look forward to is like these Starbucksbucks cups or pokemon cards or sneakers or whatever so we're like really hyper focusing on them yeah yeah i mean i think this it'll this will always kind of be you know a phenomenon because i mean like especially with card collecting it seems like too there's like older millennials grew up collecting trading cards as kids and then kind of fell out of it. Now have more disposable income. Now spending money to do these things that they really liked as kids. The Pokemon stuff.

I just see it like how any reseller looks at things. They look at something that people want. Most people don't care. It's just they know that the economics of it is such that if I buy a lot of these, I can really turn a profit by just being just quicker to the drop than other people. And, you know, the manufacturers know what they're doing because it's like Starbucks is doing the exact thing like Nike or Adidas does, which is like create false scarcity to create so much hype around every single drop that they'll just fly off the shelf and you'll never have excess inventory, raise the profile of the next drop because I doubt that they care at all to be like, wow, I guess we should increase stock next year

so everyone can enjoy the spider web cup. Right. They like this. You're fired. I'm a Starbucks exec. You're fired for suggesting that. The point is to create the first line outside of a Starbucks since the early 90s. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they should just have baristas do what some sneaker shops will do, like, to prevent resellers. They'll, like, put them on right now. Right. They're like, if you buy them, you have to rock them out of the store. You have to wear this Brooklyn Starbucks cup on your feet out of the store. You have to wear this Brooklyn Starbucks cup on your feet out of the store.

Yeah, just then be like, yo, you got to drink a hot-ass drink out of here right now. It's not dead stock anymore. Take the tags off, fool. You better look like you're enjoying that drink, too. Can you imagine just how their sneakerhead purists, like the Starbucks cups purists, they're hating on them in line.

They're like, look at this reseller-ass fool trying to get in. Yeah, somebody going in and being like 700 boston starbucks cups please it's like okay sure why not i do wonder if hoarding type like symptoms are getting worse during the during the pandemic and like you know i i do feel like agoraphobia like my own like just fear of like people and social anxiety has gotten like way worse just by not being around people in person i do i do wonder if like that is another symptom of it um yeah we might be saying i want to say for the record, Jack has 5,000 Starbucks cups

stacked up behind him right now. Precariously stacked. Precariously stacked. So this is an intervention. We know this is about you. One of each. One of each though. So don't, you know,

I'm not reselling these. These are special. I got doubles of the Boston. I got doubles of the New York City. Actually, I got triples. I got triples of that. Yo, I'll give you 500 bucks for that Boston double. Right?

And all that has to be true or else nothing else I said is true. Reference that. I think you should leave schedule. Joey, it's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, this was super fun. I always love being on the Daily Zeitgeist. You can follow me on Twitter

at Joey Tainment. You can follow me on Instagram at Joey Clift with like five or six eyes. The reason for that is a 12 year old took Joey Clift with one eye. So I just got a deal. And then I'm here. I got a got a shout out. I'm here to promote. I just released a new animated short with Comedy Central. I talked about a little at the top of the show. It's called How to Cope with Your Team Changing Its Native American Mascot. It's a comedy PSA about sports teams

who just changed their weird native mascots, like, you know, Cleveland Indians, Washington football team, and like thousands of others. I wrote it, directed it, and starred in it.

It's also featuring voices from Janice Schmieding and Tyler Clare from Rutherford Falls and John Timothy from Spirit Rangers. So it's got an all-native voice cast, too, and that's like dope as shit. So, yeah, you can check it out on all of Comedy Central's social media platforms. Follow me on Twitter.

I'm posting it about a ton. But, yeah, watch it. It's a super funny video. Awesome, man. Necessary viewing, I'm sure. I wonder how many people will watch it. It's not like a PSA? It's like a comedy short. It's like an animated short. Okay. There's always, like, that room where there's some person who thinks it's real.

Oh, yeah. Do you think there's potential for some elderly person in Cleveland to be like... Judging by some of the comments, I think a lot of people are in this. You love to see it. Is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? I would say my favorite tweet right now is a tweet that I just saw this morning from a super funny Native comedian

named Caitlin Jeffers. And the tweet, I think she literally tweeted it this morning, is, my favorite new ethnic stereotype is that I'm somehow involved with reservation dogs. And reservation dogs, uh reservation dogs super funny native tv show or native created tv show on effects created by sterling hard joe it's got all native writers room but i saw that and it's like yeah the amount of friends who have like

texted me congratulations about reservation dogs is like hilarious and like maybe a little racist because it's like i do not work on that show i have not worked on that show i'm friends with a lot of people who work on that show they're all great the show is really good you should check it out yeah but it's just like every native person you know in hollywood doesn't work on reservation dogs it's that or they're like you're watching that right yeah yeah and the answer is like yes, I'm watching it because it's real good. But also, it's weird to assume that. Don't just come at me with that.

I haven't talked to you in years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Reservation dogs, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. That's like when that anime Yasuke came out about the black samurai. And people were like, dude, did you work on this? Or like, have you seen it?

I'm like, mm-mm, okay. Yeah. Thank you for knowing I'm black and Japanese. But no, I did not work on this? Or like, have you seen it? I'm like, yeah. I mean, thank you for knowing I'm black and Japanese, but no, I did not work on the anime. Yeah, it is this weird thing where like, shortly after the election, the election results came in and I think the Navajo and Apache reservations

in Arizona voted like 95% for Biden or 90% for Biden or whatever, which is super cool. And it's great that like you know that folks on those res are like politically active but i had a lot of non-natives just text me like the graphic of like the navajo res voting rates and it's like i haven't talked to you in seven years dude like it's like cool that you know i'm native and want to share a native thing with me but also it's weird that you haven't talked to me in 10 years. And this is your first reach out being like,

congrats, bro. It's like, yeah, you don't, you don't have to reduce my entire identity down to this one thing. Right, right,

right, right. And if you're going to do it, reduce it to Garfield, like it's supposed to, you know, exactly. Miles,

where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Check me out on twitter and instagram at miles of gray and also the other show for 20 day fiance with sophia alexandra if you like 90 day come check that out uh some tweets i like first one from the onion at the onion says roger goodell increasingly worried nfl players at risk of gaining sentience. It's very, very funny. And his look is very concerned. And then another one from

Tessa Violet at Tessa Violet tweeted, what if the internet closed two days a week? And I was like, yeah. I mean, interesting. Let's see. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Kai Choice tweeted, Dear Evan Hans hansen can you buy us alcohol

for prom about the casting of that and rob catholic dad 420 i didn't realize that was their name but they said twitter right now kind of has the vibe of when they turn the lights off during an assembly and everyone starts making noises when Facebook was down. I like that. I thought that was appropriate. Also, that was such a weird like response that happened every time. Yeah, where it's like the lights turn off before everybody's eyes focus. Everybody like kind of makes noises because you can get away with it. Yeah.

But I got to shout out my tweet. Caitlin Jeffers, you can follow her at Jeff or not on Twitter. She's great. There you go. And then another one about the time during our history when Facebook was down two nights ago. It was Corey, parentheses, Harvard graduate. I'm loving these Twitter names. Tweeted, Facebook is down, so I'm having to improvise.

And then just text messages. What did you do today? Any crazy hiking adventures? Would love to see some photos of you and the family hiking. Like smiley face, cry, cry, laugh emoji. I'm sorry, who is this? It's me, Corey. Facebook is down and I am dying to know what you're up to today.

Please do not text me again. Next one from Corey. Hello, are you having a baby anytime soon? What? Who is this? Corey, we went to high school together. Thumbs up emoji. How the hell did you get my number? And then finally,

can you send me a picture of the lasagna you made tonight? Sunglasses, fire fire emoji. Who's this? How did you know I made lasagna? You always make lasagna on Monday nights. Like the hang loose hands love to see it highlight of my Monday I'm calling the police I thought that was pretty good hell yeah you having a baby anytime soon I'm just curious uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore

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Miles, what song are we sending people to go check out? This is a track from AJ Radico. And I'm just, you know, that new New York vibe out there. I think he's from Queens. And I love the production. It's kind of like very lo-fi sample-y. It sounds like just really super bit-crushed samples.

But his flow is really dope on it. And this track is called Armor. So check out Armor by AJ Radico. All right. Well, The Daily Zeke is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning.

But we're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. And we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Bye. We'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye.

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