The Daily Zeitgeist - Steal-y Don, Biopics Are Out Of Control 10.04.24
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Francesca, are you ready?
I'm ready.
Wait, should I be recording?
No, no, you're good.
Just to see how fucking awesome this is.
You're gonna want to get this.
Okay.
You might want to put this on your hosting reel.
Okay, here we go.
Three, two, one.
Is it, did you clap, Jack? OK, here we go. Three, two, one.
Is it did you clap Jack? No. Oh, boy.
It looked good to me.
OK, so you don't seem delayed now, though.
I think it caught up.
Jack, are you in?
It's intermittent like my feeding window.
You mean your fasting window.
I think that's.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Sure.
Yeah.
Six one half dozen, you know.
And that joke didn't land because of the delay.
Of the lag.
Yeah.
I love that.
I'm going to blame it for that one.
It was actually really funny in the moment.
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Anyways, it's Friday, October 4th, 2024.
Does that make it?
What's election day?
November what?
Fifth.
Fifth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're in there.
Hey.
And I can't wait because it's just entertainment to me
and I'm just like excited to see what happens.
You know?
I know.
That's, I love being a white man
because you do get to look at it like that.
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
Those things are going to happen.
So this election, like I started off calling out conversations with people.
This election is pretty crazy.
This election is pretty crazy, right guys?
For real though, on the day after November 9th in 2016, the day that Trump is elected,
walking around the Mission District in San Francisco,
just like gentrified ass, you know, community, and just like people actually having brunch
and I'm just like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, just the most disinterested.
I'm insulated.
Like if they weren't foreign, foreign. If they're foreign, it's okay.
If they're not from Haitia, then I don't care about it. But anyway, uh 10-4,
good buddy. It's October 4th. That means it's World College
Radio Day, National Body Language Day. That's a pseudo
science. National Manufacturing Day, World Smile Day, National
Golf Lovers Day. Give us the golf courses. What's that?
National Vodka Day? I'm back in National Cinnamon Bun Day.
Good. I like a couple of those things.
Cinnamon buns and vodka. That's a good day.
Yeah. Cinnamon bun flavored vodka.
Must be a thing.
Recognized at Chelsea Handlers.
I'd imagine.
So true.
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Friend of Israel.
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My name's Jack O'Brien, AKA, and I feel like it really depends on weather.
Ooh.
So is it warming in a bottle or diet coke and fountain ice or disarray?
Oh.
Past the minicam. mini cam and I need it.
There we go.
And we need it.
That one courtesy of Snarfula on the discord in reference.
You know, I grew up making fun of those chords, light ads where they were like our beers better
because it's cold.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Fear nerd.
And yet I now have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little ads where they were like, our beer is better because it's cold. And I was like, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
And yet, I now kind of believe that Diet Coke in a can is colder than Diet Coke in a bottle.
I have been converted to some drinks just are colder and must be colder.
Yeah.
Way better for you.
That's where I'm at.
Not a lot, no PBAs or other microplastics.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the can.
Oh, shit is basically health food in a can.
Yeah, pretty much.
In a mini can?
Pretty much.
When I'm drinking out of a mini can,
what it's saying to people is like,
I'm, my body is a temple and I care about what goes in.
That's all the Coca-Cola I ever actually want
is what's in a mini can.
Like I want like four sips and then I want,
it's kind of like how I do, I'm sorry, this is so TMI.
It's a little bit like me in pornography.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, that's enough.
You know, that's just enough.
Just a taster.
Yeah, I'm good.
Exactly.
A lit spritzing of pornography before your meal starts.
Yeah, I don't know if that relates,
if anyone out there relates to that.
I like dusting.
Everything in moderation.
I will kill like six straight mini-cans of that.
Yes, and I drink an entire pack of it.
I do do that, unfortunately, because the main thing I like about mini-cans, they are colder.
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The Bitchuation Room, it's Francesca Fiorentini!
Aka, why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?
Oh, friends.
Yeah.
Okay.
Just caught that.
Yeah. I didn't do enough. I hate it when people call me. I'll be friends
No, yeah people call you friend along something sometimes. Oh, well, I mean on your but your handles are like Franny
Yeah, you know you prefer Franny. Do you prefer Franny is definitely preferable to Fran, but it's okay. I let people get it's all good
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I get it
But it is kind of wild when people do just hit others with the shortened name,
out of nowhere, without the familiarity.
I do that a lot, actually.
And then I'm like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to just change your name,
because I thought it'd be fun to say it this way.
Gregory.
Yeah.
You go full, you take it to the logical extension?
Yeah, yeah, all the way.
Theodore.
Okay, Bart Simpson what
Sorry, it's thought it'd be cool to call you that my bad. How are you doing Francesca? I'm fine
You know, yeah a little nervous for the election. I'm just like I'm
Again, not trying to I'm getting 2016 vibes and I'm trying to shirk those vibes.
I don't want, I think in the face of insurmountable stupidity coming from the right, there is,
I like to think this country is better, but I've always been, I've been disappointed
before.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I'm otherwise pretty good.
I'm okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
The fear is on me. I've been saying for about a week now, I'm like, this feels like 2016 again, for
some reason to me, like there's just subtle things.
There's just a lot of like spiking the football, like on the 10 yard line kind
of news headlines I see where it's like data scientists finds Kamala Harris has
66 electoral vote advantage.
And you're like, I don't give a shit.
It ain't, this ain't election day.
Like don't put that shit in the air.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and there's all kinds of ways I was talking about on the
bituation room that the, you know, the Republicans are already trying to like
make sure that, you know, 2020, which was an embarrassing attempt at a steal is
now sort of, you know, a more, just a me nervous as well. I think, was that episode called Start the Steal?
Yeah, Start the Steal, yes.
Yes, yes, I recall that.
I recall that.
People tune into the business.
Jamie Loftus is on.
It's great.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, anyways, I have brunch reservations for the day after the election.
I'll be inviting you guys one way or another.
We are going to have a very interesting conversation.
We're going to have a very interesting conversation.
We're going to have a very interesting conversation. We're going to have a very interesting conversation. This is honest. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyways, I have brunch reservations for the day after the election.
One way or another, we are going to have some eggs and laugh.
Anyways.
Uh, all right.
Well, it's great to have you here.
We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.
First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things that
we're talking about today.
We're going to talk about the October surprise in quotes, Jack Smith dropping
the big chunk, oh, documents, the indicting documents, big dumps, redacted,
taking a big dump on the news cycle.
A lot of just filling in the blanks of stuff we already knew.
Not sure if it's going to register with anyone who is planning on voting, but it
is worth looking at as a kind of preview of what this election might look like,
at the very least, if, if the Republicans lose.
We're going to check back in with our good old friend, Tim Kaine.
Remember him?
Speaking of 2016 vibes.
We're just going to say,
remember him?
Then look at the person he's running against,
who is a character who,
I don't know how I had missed him up to this point.
He's a blast.
Ask the question on everyone's mind,
what the fuck is going on with music biopics right now?
Yeah.
All of that, plenty more.
But first, Francesca, we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history
that's revealing about who you are?
Yes. This is sad,
but all of my search history has to do with my child, of course.
Wait, why is that sad?
Well, it's all like,
we'll just kill baby, you know,
like why baby?
Yeah, why baby not sleep?
Like, baby, baby, baby, exactly.
Like why baby who is one year and 362 days old, my kid is about to turn two, is acting
in one way or the other.
Thank you. But so
it's funny to like, you're like, they're starting to be human now, you know, and there's like
a weird, like, as a parent, you're like, at what point do they become human? Because they're
just kind of like alien creatures for, I would almost say like a year. And you don't know
how their body reacts to normal things, like, you know, like a big gulp of Mountain Dew or whatever.
But like, so like for me, I'm like, she's got curly, she's got curly hair.
Like there's no way around this. Her dad is very, very curly hair.
And I was like, I'm like, maybe it's like kind of like, you know, I've got, I mean, like I'm not like Italian Chinese hair and like not to brag, but they make a lot of wigs out of our hair.
I've sold my entire, no, I haven't. But you've got that Italian, Chinese hair and like, not to brag, but they make a lot of wigs out of our hair. I've sold my entire, no I haven't.
But-
You've got that chitalian hair.
Yeah, the chitalian hair.
And so she's, anyway, the point is this.
I'm like, when can babies use conditioner?
Like when do we start doing, I'm a big product bitch.
Like I love product.
I know it's bad for us generally, but you know,
it's like if they have enough, you know,
right labels on the bottle, I'll be like, this is fine.
So I'm like, what is the best conditioner for kids?
Gentle and effective.
And I'm just like, what is, you know, looking into all this shit and then it's, it's like,
it's hard and all the things that are marketed at parents and it's all bullshit.
So are babies curls popping now?
Kind of.
She's very bald.
She is also quite bald.
So it's like they're toughs and they're adorable.
And I'm like, I want even as a baby, I'm like, oh, let's give her the dignity
of figuring out her hair care routine so that she doesn't.
Isn't just like a like kind of a frizzy mess, you know.
And we're like, whatever.
My mom, when I was a child.
Decided to just do straight bowl cuts on myself and my brother.
Because why do any not like why not?
And I feel like I have trauma from just being like, like a straight, straight across, straight across.
I was misgendered when I was little, which I guess, you know, someone should have really, you know,
broken out some like Judith Butler to me at that age and been like, it's not a big deal.
But I was like, oh, I'm not a boy.
Like that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Is two years old too young to use a straight iron?
Have you looked into that?
I feel like there's probably.
Yes, I would love, because I have a flat iron
and that I use ironically to make my hair curly.
This is all boring. The point is this.
Yes, that'd be very funny to just try and straighten your last Google search.
OK, to relax baby's hair.
I mean, effectively, right?
Right. Yeah, yeah.
Maybe too young for a conch.
I don't know.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like a little bit like maybe too young for a Lk? I don't know. Like yeah, yeah, yeah. And like a little bit like maybe too young for a Latisse, you know, because I feel like
she could really.
Yeah.
Just like make the eyelashes pop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or also like she's going to have a unibrow.
You know, I see it coming in.
I have a unibrow.
My husband has unibrow.
Like it's like that is the Italian in me.
That's the Ukrainian Jew and him,
what if we just LASIK and don't tell a soul? You know what I mean?
That's so fucked up.
I'm getting canceled a million ways on this Discordio.
Yeah, yeah, no, it already happened.
It already happened.
All right, Francesca, what is something
you think is underrated?
I was at a show, a standup show the other night,
and a comic made reference to Chuck E. Cheese because have kids and nobody in the audience had kids because they were all like young and whatever and like, and I want to tell you guys Chuck E Cheese is underrated. Chuck E Cheese is great. Chuck E Cheese is wonderful. I'm glad it still exists. There need to be more places for kids. Obviously,
we've destroyed all toy stores. It is as you know, one of the comics said it's like a casino
for children. And there's a jump part and it's adorable and it's like fairly affordable.
It's air conditioned. Yeah, Chuck E. Cheese is really terrifying the sort of animatronic
dude that comes out. If you out if you do get one. But
it's great. Yes, there's germs everywhere, but you need a place where they can just...
You know where a kid can be a kid? You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Which I think is their logo, their slogan, or it used to be. I don't know what it is
now, but Chuck Entertainment Cheese is a good spot and I support it. I feel like it's like the working man's like, charmed kids playhouse that costs $2,000 to rent, you know, right?
Is that the full name on people? I appreciate that. Yeah, Charles entertainment cheese. Yeah, I mean, it is it is the legal name. Do you remember like the ones that were kind of trying to be like, uh, Chuck E. Cheese, like pistol, you ever go to pistol pizza?
No, that was kind of where was that? That was Philly. There was one.
No, there's one in the valley. I remember going to,
and it was just kind of like one of those. It's like, we got a,
we got freaky robots and shit too. It's not Chuck E. Cheese. No, you know,
I did go though in the, in the, in the peninsula in California was a Rocky and
Bullwinkles. Do you guys ever remember that?
No.
Oh, wait.
So fun.
Oh, wow.
I have thought about that place in a minute.
They were like animatronic Bullwinkle and Rocky.
It was so, it was good.
It was good.
And yeah, it's always like, it's just pizza, arcade, maybe a jump house.
Hell yeah, I love it.
Got it all.
I like the Pistol P's was like kind of committing
infringement on two from two angles
because there's a famous basketball player
named Pistol Pete.
Yep.
His nickname was Pistol Pete.
And then also they're ripping off Chuck E. Cheese's
and they were like, maybe it'll be like so,
so much infringement that there's like.
If you look up Pistol Pete, it's men's underwear.
What? Pistol Pete, it's all about the feel.
Oh wow.
Oh god.
On your pistol?
That is sheer.
All right.
And I've seen a penis.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
Not to brag.
Oh, they sell jockstraps too?
Okay.
Not to brag, but I have seen a penis sprinkling of pornography.
Oh, these, we all, you're not coming to play if you're rocking one.
Yo!
Do we have to share with the viewers?
No, no, we will be banned from any kind of video ever again if I show the base of the
shaft.
Yo, I really like that.
These are hot.
These are hot.
That's a lot of y'all.
I got a full soldier boy from miles.
Yeah, exactly.
I was, I was looking at that and I'm like, this is, yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, um, should we go to my, um, overrated?
Yeah.
Moving on.
Nah, I'm sorry.
I just, I just got, I just caught the website and I'm not going to miss out on this.
All right. Yeah, it's it's very we've all seen
really jacked man lubed up in a sheer song.
Yeah, I mean, this is definitely like, you know, you you see,
you see this kind of stuff out there, pride when you're showing off
that hard body and letting them know what you're working with.
But yeah, the, the pride. Yeah, I've seen more of like, God, what is the fair in San
Francisco? That's a Folsom Street Folsom Street fair. Yeah. My favorite is the is like, in
pride or Folsom Street, Folsom Street is definitely more about like, you know, BDSM and whatnot.
But like, when it's pride, and there's someone who doesn't have a great body, but they are a nudist.
And it's just like, it is the, it's a call for like, the conch shell rings out and every guy who just
wants to be naked, like just let it hang out on a corner is just like, they're just standing.
They're just like, right. I'm hands on him. This is my dick. Look at it. I'm here. And is just like, they're just standing. They're just like, I'm, this is my dick.
Look at it, I'm here.
And it's like, and here's my little like 72 year old
flat ass.
They got podcast or ass podcast.
Very much podcast.
Yes.
Jack's just like imagining what he's gonna be like
when he's older.
Oh yeah.
Just give me some ideas.
And you should let people know.
Just give me some retirement plans.
This ass has made some money, okay?
Oh, that's it.
We've started podcast empires with this booty.
Yeah.
That's right.
It actually worked out for a minute.
From my tailbone, it goes in from there.
It's kind of impressive.
Oh, God.
The tailbone is actually the furthest
out. Well, something else that's underrated is a wedge, a wedge pillow. I don't have one
actually, but you can sit on a wedge. It really makes you sort of like-
Pelvic tilt. Yes. Get your pelvic tilt going so your lumbar's
correct and get your foot pep stool or whatever. I'm doing it right now.
What, Francesca, is something you think is overrated?
Okay, so I come from activist culture.
I come from, I used to be an anti-war activist,
global justice activist, and we sort of pioneered
a lot of this consensus decision making,
speaking of body language,
body language around consensus decision making,
which is things like, instead of clapping, you twinkle or you snap, right? If you have a direct response to somebody,
you do this. If you have a process point, you do like the Illuminati sign.
Yeah. Throw up the rock.
The hova, what is it? This?
Or your delta.
The hova.
Yeah, or your delta. Yeah, you know.
Or your delta. This is a process point meaning this conversation
It's like it's like out of order or whatnot
anyway, all that's fine and good for doing like organizing and activism that you want to do like direct democracy and all this but the
snapping
has permeated into broader culture and
Snapping
has also permeated into standup audiences.
And when I go and try to do joke jokes to make the laugh laugh, and I am greeted by a snap.
Yeah.
It makes me want to die.
And please do not.
It's not energizing?
No, it's like, this is not slam poetry. Please do not. It's not energizing? No.
It's like, this is not slam poetry.
This is not like, it's OK to clap.
If you clap, it's OK.
It's OK to laugh.
Just don't snap.
I can imagine.
It's very Gen Z. And I'm sorry, but it's so Gen Z.
And I can't.
Does Gen Z look at content on their phone
and are just like, snap at that?
You know what I mean?
Because sometimes when you're in live audiences, you get sort of like dead eyed, you know,
the face of someone who's like, scroll, I'm going to scroll the next joke kind of shit.
And again, I'm not saying I don't crush because I crush, but some audiences are just like,
much more just fucking like, I don't know where you came from. I
don't know if like, I yes, I it's okay. It's not like, it's not, you're not going to be
canceled for laughing. You know what I mean? And so the snapping is so overrated. I'm sorry,
I'm done with it. I'm done with the snapping. Say that's hilarious. That's true. Totally. But like the snapping and especially
instead of laughing or instead of clapping is makes me feel
like I just read a bad poem to you.
Then like a joke you've been workshopping. Right? You know,
that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's all I have to say about that overrated is all day.
Yeah.
All day.
All day.
All day.
All day.
I do wonder, and this is, this is like morning zoo talk radio.
Just what's wrong with these kids.
Theorizing from like fifth from a 50 year old, but like, is it because they're
used to like consuming content quietly?
They're on the bus or something,
and so they don't want to laugh out loud.
I think that's part of it.
Their wiring has been shifted to just quietly appreciate what you're doing.
Or if you're getting everything off of iPad too,
you see so many kids with headphones on and they're kind of just in this very like it's just me and this thing happening and you don't know if they're having a good time.
I always wonder that about kids when I see them. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, are you having a good time when you're watching, you know, whatever the third season of the bear fourth season, whatever season is always a great time, whatever I'm
watching. I like to laugh out loud. Yeah, yeah, I gotta
wear it on my face.
Yeah, no, I'm always I think I'm just generally pretty I've big
reactions all the time. So I think it's a harder thought
experiment for me
to be like, I'm at a comedy show.
Cause also like in comedy, you know,
you wanna be generous with your laughter
and you wanna be generous with the energy
that you're putting out to the performer
because that's the fucking juice
that powers the performance.
So I can totally see like the frustration in that is like,
no, like I'm gonna make you laugh,
but y'all have to fucking laugh.
So I go, okay, yeah, we're vibing, here we go. I am a big time, like I'm gonna make you laugh, but y'all have to fucking laugh. So I go. Okay. Yeah, we're vibing
Here we go. I am a big time like I border
I mean, I don't heckle but I borderline that when I'm an audience member of a show because I know first of all
I know what it's like on the other side
But also that's just how I roll because I get
Social cues and I'm like right there's a lot of people who are like
No, like it's okay for me to just sit here quietly, silently, not even smiling.
And you're just like, I don't understand you.
I don't know why.
Don't withhold your laughter.
If anything laugh at shit, you wouldn't normally laugh at it.
It'll just, even if you don't, it'll feel better.
Yes.
Yes.
There's a reason why they say laughter is a form of medicine.
That's right.
Those of us who struggle with eye contact feel attacked right now, but I do.
You can keep your head down.
I will try harder.
Yeah.
Just a head on table.
You struggle with eye contact?
Yeah.
I've always struggled with eye contact for some reason, just in-person eye contact.
Yeah.
He's a bit of a shy guy.
Bit of a shy boy.
So you don't like to do the like, let's stare into each other's eyes for like a minute,
three minutes and just see who cries first.
That I love to do.
Yeah.
Conversationally, hate it.
But if I want to create an awkward moment, I'm like, hey, let's lock eyes for three straight
minutes.
The second the silence descends over, then I'll just go right in for the eye contact
and just start moving
in slowly.
I like to look at people when they're not looking at me, I think is what I'm hearing.
I like to just-
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, it's called being a creep snooper.
Yeah.
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And this is the time of year where any major-ish news story involving the presidential election
will be termed the October surprise. And that goes for Jack Smith dropping a bunch of documents and evidence for the
case he is building to suggest that Donald Trump did a bad when he tried to
overturn the 2020 election and that it doesn't count as official police business
And that it doesn't count as official police business when you're just trying to do crimes nonstop, openly with full knowledge that what you're trying to do
is crimes.
And this does tie into, I think the only two takeaways I've seen from the VP
debate that seemed to be like having any traction are JD Vance saying, uh, the
rules where you weren't going to fact check, which is an amazing moment, but
also his refusal to admit that Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and
Tim walls just doing a little, Oh, he, Oh, guys.
Now that's one where I'm going to have to disagree with you on, I'm going to
have to disagree with your police work on that one there.
Hold on guy.
What'd you just say?
Guy?
You're not, you're not one of the bad apples.
No, he is literally a bad apple.
What are you doing?
Tim walls, stop it.
Stop it.
Stop it.
Guy.
He's the bad guy.
But, uh, and then implying that he would have helped for the alternative electors.
Yesterday he told one of the comedians from The Good Liars that he thinks Trump won the
2020 election.
Is that what it's called?
Yeah, The Good Liars.
And also that I feel bad for you, man.
This is a good Vance little piece of Vance Vance lore Vance
being Vance yeah who won the 2020 election could you just answer did Donald Trump win yes yes he
did win yep so will you will you concede will you concede if your? If your opponent gets more votes, will you concede?
I really feel bad for you, man.
I just want to know if your opponent gets more votes,
will you concede?
All right, yeah, yeah, cool, cool.
Just do that.
I feel bad for you, man.
Who is laughing really hard
when he says I feel bad for you, man?
Is that JD Vance laughing?
Oh yeah, he laughs at his own jokes all the time.
That's his whole thing.
I really feel bad for you, man.
Like all of his handlers are like,
he just said the thing that we didn't want him to say.
Yeah, that's Jason Selvig from The Good Liars,
I think his name is, and I love,
here's my thought about trolling
Maga and I know it's been it has been done by other people but you have to be a like
at least six foot two
white guy who looks very like
super waspy because like
very like super waspy because like allowing Jason to like continue and follow them like a woman would never person of color never like you just cannot get exactly you would
get boxed out you would get like put in a headlock at that point so it just I love that
I mean and and and like I'm a big fan of Walter Masterson like I just love how these guys
are able to you know use that and be like I just kind of look like I'm a big fan of Walter Masterson. Like, I just love how these guys are able to, you know, use that and be like,
I just kind of look like I'm with you.
And you don't know me well enough to know that I'm like clowning on you.
So but yes, of course.
Yes, you did.
It's the simplest question.
They don't even have a line on this.
Forget abortion rights.
They don't have a line on whether or not Trump won the 2020 election.
He beat me by a whisker.
By a whisker.
Right.
Wait, so he beat you?
Oh, shit.
I mean, maybe that whisker being legally, but we-
Shut the fuck up.
Smoke bomb, smoke bomb.
But yeah, these documents that Judge Chutkin sort of released in terms like Jack Smith's
case against Donald Trump or the United States is case against Donald
Trump. Like you just kind of realize like, like, man, the
fucking Supreme Court is so fucked up because they put all
this all these weird standards now because Jack Smith essentially
had, you know, he had to retool the entire case to be like,
okay, what's official act? What are acts that are done as a
private citizen? How do they overlap? Do they overlap at all
and trying to create this like labyrinthine structure to try
and be like, and he can't do anything to Trump. But when you
start reading it, you're like, you'd have to be truly like off
the deep off the shits to say like, Oh, yeah, this is all very
normal. Like, yeah, because a lot of the stuff in it, it wasn't
necessarily new. But there's just a little bit added texture, I
think when you see some of the quotes and some of the anecdotes
that kind of were the behind the scenes of it all.
And seeing that, you're like, Jesus Christ, dude,
they're gonna, they're, you know, like in Jurassic Park,
like the raptors, they figured out defenses.
And then, so for the second go around,
they're gonna be a little bit more effective.
And I think that's what's scary about what you see here.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think that the real thing,
you know, I saw Ellie Mistal, you know,
who writes for the nation, reports that the real thing, you know, I saw Ellie Mistal, you know, who writes for
the nation reports on the courts basically is like, none of it really matters.
You know, and yes, we were all sort of scratching our head like, how's Tonya Chutkin going to
get around this, this presidential immunity that the Supreme handpicked Supreme Court
just gave him?
How would you get around like the king saying that everything is official?
And they were like, oh, he was a candidate.
I'm like, okay, that makes is official? And they were like, oh, he was a candidate.
I'm like, okay, that makes sense.
I guess you can argue that. Sure.
Um, so I'm glad that that they're at least putting it back up again.
And, and, and this is moving forward, but none of this is going to be
decided before the election, right?
None of it, not even the, you know, Juan Marchand in the financial, like the falsifying
business documents case.
The documents fraud case, yeah.
Right?
So that, the fraud case is not even going to be settled.
So no accountability.
It doesn't actually, if he wins.
It's going to go poof.
It's all going to go poof.
All of it.
We've made sure it's all going to go poof.
My overrated was going to be the American justice system, the judicial system.
It is so fucked.
And oh my God, the icing on the cherry on top would be, should somehow there be some
fuck shit in one of these swing states and heaven forbid it gets elevated to the courts.
Then the Supreme Court's like, thank you, we'll take that.
They will decide, it's just perfect.
They set them up and knock them down.
It's just like, I can't believe we're here.
But guys, greatest democracy on Earth.
Yeah, greatest democracy, it all works out.
The will of the people is always
being enacted by the politicians.
Absolutely.
Yeah. I did like the moments where Trump is obviously like not, does not believe his
own bullshit, like there's a part where he, uh, mutes his phone while he's on
with Sidney Powell and like calls her crazy to the other people in the room and
says that like she's like makes reference to Star Trek as being like how
fantastical the arguments are that she's presenting.
He knows.
And yeah, he knows.
There's other parts where he's like, yeah, whether you win or lose, you have to fight like hell, which sounds like a football
coach slogan that you could get behind but like that is the end of the
This is right out of Roger Stone's mouth, this is Roger Stone Steve Bannon stuff You know
Those are the people who are truly in his ear and those are people who know and and they're the people who helped January 6
Happen Steve Bannon's in prison right now
Because he refused to testify about January 6, right?
because he refused to testify about January 6th. Right, yeah.
Like, oh, I'll just keep pretending.
Like, oh my God, you know?
But yeah, I love the, it doesn't matter if I won or lost.
Like, those are details.
Yeah, exactly.
I think that was another part of this, of the documents.
Like, yeah, me having more delegates is a detail
to what we're trying to do here.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess the other thing too is like, when you see like the sort of the quotes about it is like, yeah, like they're talking about, like, just let them riot
at the Capitol to keep the chaos up.
And, you know, the stuff that we all like, I think in Jack Smith's documents,
you also see him talk about how they were purposefully having confrontations
outside of ballot centers to create the, that something was afoot and people weren't allowed to be accountable, like weren't being held accountable because of that.
And you look at sort of what they're planning, you can already sort of see like, oh, this whole thing is going to be as much about creating as many optic opportunities for people to be like, Oh, how what happened there? What happened there? And like to your point about any
kind of fuckery going down, I almost I feel like it's almost certain that they
are going to manufacture some kind of fucking fake elector person, someone
that they could pay to be like, you know, forge ballots or whatever, just to open
the doors to this kind of election denialism that they, that's
the only way they're going to win, I think.
Right.
I mean, it's all about whether state election boards will certify the results.
And if they won't, there will be a lot of legal battles.
I think, you know, in Georgia, there's already a legal battle again from Democrats.
They're suing over the hand count that Republicans have instituted at the last minute,
which completely throws that election into the fray and it's so cumbersome.
They're not training people.
It's unclear how that would happen.
The human error in hand counting is really huge.
So like, yeah, it's all about these state election boards and like whether or not
I think, yeah, and then it all just go to the courts yet again.
But it's interesting also now, I don't want to politicize Hurricane
Helene. Hurricane Helene is politicized anyway. Let's just be real.
It's climate change, just like every mass shooting is politicized
in gun control terms. But it is interesting, like these states
that Trump is like, the Democrats are deliberately not trying to
give you aid and they hate you. But you are seeing like this level of coordination where Joe Biden is like, all the rescue
efforts will be 100% paid for by the federal government. We've called these governors multiple
times, you know, and people are really, I don't know, I'm just like, it is interesting now when
these are the same states that will be leaned on by
the Trump campaign are now being, you know, are seeing actually.
Uneffective, although genocidal, uh, Biden administration really like work with them.
And like, this is normalcy.
That other thing you're about going to be asked to do in, in a month, not normalcy.
Do you know what
it means? I'm wondering, like, this is me maybe hearkening to the Republicans better
angels, but it is just a sort of interesting moment given the hurricane and whatnot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, but the documents, yes.
Seems good. Seems like the one takeaway I think we can come away with is that they were
altered. Like their main goal was to subvert the election openly.
They were doing that.
We will never have a normal election again, whether he wins or not.
Right.
Like this is fucked permanently, I think.
I feel like we're not prepared for how fucked 2024 is going to be.
We being, I just don't think like legally.
I don't know.
I've heard, like, I've heard people say that, well, the Georgia thing is actually not like no
legally serious, like, like they'll be able to knock that the hand count thing down.
But like, nobody saw that Supreme Court case, like decision coming where they were just like,
no, Trump's basically the king, baby. Yeah. We're all good here. Nobody saw that Supreme Court case decision coming where they were just like,
no, Trump's basically the king, baby.
We're all good here.
I think we suspected it though because they're like,
these are all flunkies that they have in there.
I don't think they're going to come out and be like,
no, actually start the trial now for Donald Trump.
Go ahead. Go off, y'all.
Yeah. I mean, there's always-
It just seems to be always worse case when it comes to the judicial branch.
Yeah.
I don't know.
The so what remark Trump saying were like, Mike Pence's life is in danger.
So what?
Yeah.
And this is like, it was sort of couched in a lot of niceties, but yeah, when Tim
Wall said, I'm concerned about why Mike Pence is not on the stage tonight, he
could have gone a lot harder as to like, I'm concerned about where your neck is
going to be come January, my guy, you know, like, you know, we're all
worried about you, JD.
We're always worried about you JD and you know, your
skincare routine and whether that's when you get
imprisoned by the mobs.
Yeah.
Which they obviously it is different because Biden
is in office.
And if only Biden could crime the way the Supreme Court has allowed him to crime,
but in, but crime for good stuff. Yeah, right. That'd be just cheat the way they're claiming
you cheat, you know, that's Biden, Biden, you know, it'd be very funny. This is just this
replay. It'd be very funny if there was some sort of crisis in democracy and like, we just get like six more months
of Biden.
And Biden's like, yes, just what I wanted.
I can do the job, man.
Yeah, but then they start, they're gonna roll his ass out
looking like Jimmy Carter pretty soon.
And I'm gonna be like, easy.
Well, there's a new player in the political realm
that I just wanna introduce our listeners, our viewers to.
Who are not from Virginia,
who are probably well aware of this person.
Yeah, yeah.
But this is the person running against Tim Kaine.
Aw.
Hillary VP candidate, Tim Kaine.
The one that speaks Spanish, you know,
we were all impressed by his bilingual skills.
Bastante bien.
Oh my God, we were like, know, we were all impressed by his bilingual skills.
Oh my God, we were like, oh, we're like,
Hillary found a Spanish speaking white man.
Here we go, y'all, it's a wrap.
But anyway, so Tim Cain's running for election this year.
And again, this guy he's running against, Hung How,
is someone who is just so dumb
in that special MAGA kind of way,
that Dunning-Kruger kind of way, where you're like, yeah, man, I think I just got to say stuff and like, you look like, I think
you're a politician.
He's a retired Navy captain.
And not only is he an alpha male, but he is also ignorant as hell.
Like one of the first clips that I think caught my attention, I don't think we talked about
on the show was when he said that witches were taking over California as a way to like prove his Christ cred amongst the voters of Virginia.
But now that we're at the business end of the election campaign or the campaign season,
we got to see him in a debate against Kane and wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
When you have to answer questions out loud, sir, sir, what are you saying?
So here he is basically going off on how like DEI is going to lead to drag queens
fighting on the front lines of our forever wars or something.
But I don't want to mess up his words.
Let me just let you, you take it away.
With when you're using a, you you know drag queen to recruit for the Navy
That's not the people we want look what we need is alpha males and alpha females
Who are gonna rip out their own guts eat them and ask for seconds that those are young men and women that are gonna win wars
Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, so
Eat them and ask for seconds alpha females. There's a lot happening here
them and ask for seconds. Alpha females. There's a lot happening here.
Just so wild again, because his whole thing is like, I'm a Navy, I'm a retired Navy captain. I know what it takes. You have to look if y'all don't know how to self eviscerate,
don't even bother enlisting. Okay, because we don't want you. We don't want you. And so on top of
like being an authority on that topic, he's also a bit of a
policy wonk, just in my estimation. And by wonk, I mean, he has no idea what the fuck he is talking
about on any level. And here he is again, the sound of his head hitting a hollow block. Yeah,
this is him with his take on Kamala's, you know, and like this has been a Biden proposal
to about, you know, taxing unrealized gains.
And this is also a fantastic demonstration of his lack of knowledge on anything.
He starts off by doing a thing as like we're taking better care of like immigrants shame
on us.
That was sort of like his lead in into this next thing about taxation a lot of these Americans
They're they're homeless right now due to the hurricane Helene and we need to put them into the hotels and getting
getting room service instead of giving it to illegal aliens and
My fear with what Kamala Harris wants to do with unrealized gains is if my house goes up in Zillow
You know, it's just go up in Zillow, but then
I don't have that money in my pocket and she wants to tax that.
And that's exactly what's going on right now is, you know, one of the great things about
being American is the freedom and the second thing is ownership.
Okay?
A lot of countries don't allow you to own the lands and what they're doing right now
is they want to push you out of ownership of your home and so only corporations and very rich people can buy it.
Oh, that's rich.
Oh, he tried though.
Like, A, for, like this is, I like identify with this really
fervently because this is me when I like know a little bit
about, a little bit of nothing about something that I just kind of
Bounce around here. We've all been there, you know
The dole and it's not and then you don't have the money in your pocket and then they
want to give the money to corporations and it's
And like we need room service not room service for immigrants, you know
In the hotels like okay., my Zillow went up. So now I got all
these capital gains or some shit. Like, again, for people
that need a refresher, right, this would only apply to people
that are worth north of $100 million. Okay, so but he is
doing a great job of tapping into that fear that like capitalists like to put like the wealthy, like, like to put in people's minds of like, but what if I become a billionaire? Well, then that's right. I surely I don't I don't want to be taxed on capital gains if I'm worth over $100 million. And this whole thing, my Zillow went up, and then I don't see that money. And we're talking about shit like Elon Musk's like Tesla stock going up
$20 billion and then be like, yeah, sorry, we're, we're taking it.
We're taking a bite out of that.
Like that's, that's the kind of shit we're talking about.
Not the person.
This is the same.
There's like sort of, it's just as absurd as when they were saying, when Vance was
like, you know, like immigrants are the reason why we have a housing crisis and
everything's so unaffordable.
And you're like, sir, that's have you bought? Have you been in there?
Immigrants come into our country, buying up our real estate.
But I mean, this is also like, again, and I have to just say this because he is
Asian American. He's from Vietnam. You know, he's an immigrant. Steven Chung, who is Trump's fucking spokesperson, who literally looks like a chicken McNugget
and grimace at the same time.
You got to look him up.
He is a very disgusting looking person, which matches his personality and what he says.
But the point is, it really bothers me that these are like
the attack dogs of the right and they think that the right, the neo-Nazis wouldn't sell them down
the river in a heartbeat. And especially, I feel like, I don't know, there's something different
about, especially Asian Americans who are always been painted as the outsider. You know, it's different to like throw down with someone
like Mark Robinson or like, God, who's the football guy?
Who?
Herschel Walker?
Herschel Walker.
Like it's different when it's like African Americans,
it's, you know, whereas like Asian Americans
have always been seen as like outsider, other, dirty,
f**king Wuhan virus, like China virus, all this s**t,
you know, and you're just like,
and now you're carrying water for these people. It's so gross. Yeah. And so disappointing. Look what happened all this shit, you know? And you're just like, and now you're carrying water for these people.
It's so gross.
Yeah.
And so disappointed.
Look at Vivek.
You know?
Look at Vivek.
All he got to do is look at Vivek.
Won't you please think of Vivek?
He sat down.
He, he, he did his song and dance for them and then they ate your ass and spit your ass
out.
Like, just nothing.
And look at, and look at Nikki Haley.
And it is very funny that he said alpha women.
It's like anyone who traffics in that kind of bullshit will tell you there's
nothing, no such thing as an alpha woman.
The fact that there are women even in the military is woke.
Yeah.
And it's the reason that we are like losing wars or whatever.
Um, even though we don't want to start new in wars, it's like the reason Donald
Trump almost got shot because there was a female secret service agent.
Yeah.
So which one is it?
Yeah. I mean, that's like the service agent. Yeah. Right. Right. So which one is it?
Yeah. I mean, that's like the hard part.
He got his signals crossed.
He was like alpha men or alpha women.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait.
Because, but then he also did that thing too, where like, you're so right.
It becomes a full circle and then you have like a progressive take.
It's like, because then corporations are going to buy up the houses and
that's really going to drive.
It's like, wait, so what, what are you saying?
Are you against that? You're going to, is that, is that a policy you would advocate
for for like stopping corporate landlording?
Well, that exactly, that answer reminds me of what JD Vance did multiple times, which
was talking himself out of a job and actually into a staff position on Kamala Harris's administration
straight up. Like, you know, in multiple moments, I mean, Kamala Harris has been saying it's like the
best part of her housing policy, which I think doesn't nearly go far enough, but it's talking
about corporate landlords, right?
And the buying up of, you know, available units and whatnot.
And it's like, yeah.
And so the same thing is like, you realize you're all making the case for someone who
actually has a plan.
You could have a plan.
There's nothing wrong with Republicans actually having a plan, but they don't.
It's just illegals.
And I think this other thing is so funny to me.
Have you ever spoken to a recent immigrant and asked them,
like, hey, what's your living situation like?
Are they ever like, I mean, I've got a a one bedroom, you know, and like, I've got
great Wi Fi here.
It's like really high speed.
No, no, no.
It's like, I'm in a condo in Santa Monica.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really good view.
No, it is.
I live in a studio apartment with 12 other people.
And one day I hope to maybe only have six roommates straight up like that's how
immigrants live in this country. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're not. But again, it's like
everything has to be it's always a zero sum game and a way to be like, well, because you have less,
we can attribute that to this presence. Therefore activate your hate and you know, vote Trump.
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And you know, pay more for workers who have been here for forever. And they're like,
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we're coming out of a time when like fast food workers are getting $25 an hour. And
right wingers and billionaires are like, what the fuck? No, how dare they? They're just so greedy and nobody wants to work.
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And it's biopic season, everyone.
Is that actually season or did you just-
Oh, yank you, yank you, yank you.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like, this is the type of movie they like to put out to get, get some love.
There's usually, I feel like there's like a 1.5 X multiplier on your chances of getting an Oscar if it's a musical biopic like Bohemian Rhapsody.
Like Rami Malek. Yeah.
Felt into that Oscar.
Tooth Acton. Tooth Acton.
Tooth Acton maybe.
Them gompers. Yeah.
Gompers and an accent. That'll do it.
I think the Elton John guy got some love.
That's the...
Edgerton?
I Walk the Line did some numbers.
I Walk the Line did do some numbers.
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway.
Ray, we're...
Capote, now I'm just...
Capote, fucking bullshit.
Specifically musical biopics. We've got three coming out.
Some would say too many, but they kind of seem to have had that same thought.
And they're like, okay, how do we make these not all the thing that they made fun of in
walk hard?
You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. all the thing that they made fun of in Walk Hard. Yeah.
So we got the Bob Dylan one,
which seems like it's a pretty straightforward,
could have been one of the movies being made fun of in Walk Hard.
It's just they're like, yeah,
but we got Timothy Chalamet as Bob Dylan, as young Bob Dylan.
YB.
Yeah. Enough said.
It's only covering him up to 1965,
so it's going to him up to 1965. So it's like going to cover his, him going electric.
I don't know if you guys know about this whole controversy during Bob Dylan's career, but he was like an acoustic troubadour.
And then like people were so bored at the time that when he decided to start playing an electric guitar, they were like, Judas, fuck you, man.
Turn your fucking back on us.
We hate you.
But arguably, are they going to just stop before 1968 and the height of
the anti-Vietnam War Movement and the height of what made Bob Dylan even more legendary?
It's just like we're going to just depoliticize everything about Bob Dylan.
It could be more about the the iconography, the music, the hair, the sunglasses.
We're going to see him like go to a store and be like, what about those sunglasses?
Yes.
They're like, no, no, no, Bob.
You don't want these.
Those sunglasses make you look like shit.
And he like puts them on and then like-
The elderly.
And then he's.
He takes them off the face of a blind guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can borrow mine.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That's every musical biopic is just like someone at a piano messing around or on their guitar
and we're like, yeah, like play that again.
I will say as Bob Dylan fan, the trailer did get me, but that's, I'm a sucker.
Is it in black and white?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, everything's.
It's not.
I'm also thinking like.
Which makes me happy.
Timothy Chalamet is also just like in so many IP type movies, right?
Like they're not original scripts.
Like he's in Dune.
He was Willy Wonka.
Like, uh, call me by your name was like based on a novel. Like, is this always kind of being like, he's like, he's in Dune. He was Willy Wonka. Like,
Call Me By Your Name was like based on a novel like this is always kind of being like, he's like, he's the IP God Bob
Dillon. Get Timothy Chalamet, man. He doesn't know Call Me By
Your Name was already a book, but I feel like that doesn't
count as like a big IP.
It no no no, but I mean, but in the I sort of mean that and
sort of like the inside baseball Hollywood way because we're like, everyone in Hollywood now says everything has to be IP intellectual property has been based on something else to the point where like I know writers who are writing scripts and just claiming it's based on a book that exists because they're counting on development executives to not read it or actually parse that. And they're like, Oh, that's great. You got the rights. And they're like, yep.
And they're like, yeah, there's actually a post credit sequence
in call me by your name where it's revealed that it takes
place in the GI Joe transformers.
Just to anchor it.
But yeah, I mean, like that's like everyone just because the
amount of creative thinking in this town has just gone fucking just poof that it's now everything like was it based on something
people know about yeah yeah yeah we got these terrible fucking movies or like
half-assed biopics that like about really interesting people like that Amy
Winehouse thing I feel like could have probably been interesting but I that
yeah there's been a big string of misses.
Yeah. I didn't even see that one. I haven't seen a lot of them just because you're like,
I could watch a documentary. Like I didn't watch the Nina Simone one. I have watched Amy,
Amy Winehouse documentaries. I'm like, that's, that's depressing enough. You know, I want like
the real depressing thing. I mean, it's also, by the way, I didn't even talk about this. I was
going to, but like the Manette, I'm deep in the Menendez brothers situation.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I'm like the documentary on max HBO, whatever is great.
Like it's really good.
And I don't want to subject myself to fucking Ryan Murphy's, you know, sensationalized
bullshit on Netflix.
It's just like that, you know,
he's the real thing that he says is been the best thing that happened to
Menendez brothers in 30 years. Shut up.
He's like, I mean, I don't believe they were incestuous, but, you know,
but like what if they were and it was, yeah, like, right.
But anyway, yeah, I'm fucking stars. Okay. Yeah. They should be thinking.
Nobody knew they were. I put them on the map.
The Chalamet thing, like we don't have to show the trailer because you can just close your eyes
and picture the trailer. And it is that. That is exactly what it is. If you know Bob Dylan and you
know Timothy Chalamet, put a Bob Dylan wig on Timothy Chalamet. So in order to, and probably
as a result of some of these other biopics, there was also
a Whitney Houston one that didn't do very well.
Studios are trying to figure out like, what do we do here?
How do we spin this so that it feels like it's different than every musical biopic
that you've ever seen?
Also, they usually try to hide the fact that movies are musicals now.
That seems to be the trick is like,
make a musical and then don't show any of the songs in it.
Oh.
Be like, what, this a musical?
No. The Mean Girls remake that the entire reason for it existing was,
the Mean Girls the musical,
but they cut the musical out of the title and made
a trailer where it was just a remake of Mean Girls.
Yeah.
It did great because people-
They're like, wait, some kind of musical?
They're saying, and I guess I'm okay with that,
but I guess it's not a selling point.
They're trying to come up with other selling points.
Yeah.
We've talked before about the upcoming Pharrell biopic.
We're just doing people who are alive.
I mean, Dylan's alive.
Dylan's alive.
I do think a big part of the problem with biopics
is that if the person is so iconic
that you know everybody knows, like Tupac for instance, everybody knows exactly what make that like, you know, everybody knows like Tupac, for instance, like everybody knows exactly what they look like.
Everybody saw a lot of them on camera.
And then you like have a film with somebody else playing them who's not as magnetic.
The Tupac movie was an L, the Bob Marley movie was an L.
And a lot of it was because these people look nothing fucking like them.
And what the fuck is this?
But straight out of Compton was not an L. I love that.
I thought that was good.
I mean, that's where it's like, thank God you had O'Shea Jackson Jr.
Yeah.
To play Ice Cube and shit like that.
Exactly.
And the acting was great. But like with the Tupac one, they just went after a dude who
went viral for looking like Tupac and we're like, get him some acting classes.
Oh my God. And that's like, get him some acting classes.
And that's what you got there.
So the Pharrell, I'm like a huge,
I'm a gigantic Pharrell fan.
Oh really?
Growing up, oh, like, cause people are like,
oh, you kind of look like, is he Asian or not?
And I was like, oh, you know what?
This might be like a style lane for me,
like when I was like 17 years old.
And I like the Neptunes,
I have like a near encyclopedic knowledge of like every song
they've produced and artists they collaborated with but when I saw the trailer for this when I
went to see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and I groaned so fucking hard I was like why is Pharrell a
fucking Lego like what are we even doing here and also this isn't the time for a Pharrell biopic it
just came to me it came off as such a weird cash grab. Does like whatever me is or the minions involved as well.
It just let go. Should I mean, probably.
Or like, never more inspired than when he is making music for the minions or
animated. Yes, it makes sense.
Like, yeah, dude, does he seems to be very artistically inspired by cartoons and kids' entertainment.
Yeah, it's very whimsical.
Is he part Asian?
No, I don't think so.
Okay, see, that's what I thought.
I was like, he's not.
There were a lot of times,
I remember in the early days of the internet,
it was like, oh, he's Filipino.
And I'm like, whoa, really, really, really.
And then people were really digging in.
It still seems, it seemed like a mystery unless you probably Wikipedia and the answer is there but all that to say it's like
I don't this again. Why is it a Lego?
Is it because the Lego movies do well and you're just trying to have some synergistic thing here where it's like Pharrell plus
Legos take your kids and then yes, you can hear Snoop Dogg talk too, but they all look like fucking Legos, take your kids. And then you can hear Snoop Dogg talk too,
but they all look like fucking Legos.
So how the fuck do you know?
I think it's what Jack said.
It is a cash grab.
It's a cash grab and all Lego toys look pretty similar.
Like all the Lego guys.
That's racist.
I know, and I'm trying to work on that.
And I said that first and I have to check
my white supremacy, my bad.
But like they like show these people who are supposed to like garner.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Like, oh yeah, he's, this is where he gave that song idea to that famous artist.
And it's just like another Lego person, but like they have a goatee and you're
like, oh, okay okay Busta rhymes. In the world of like
it is famous producers and given how Diddy has gone down right. Why would
happen? Yeah it does make you feel like slightly like like let him do this because like maybe
maybe this is just me being naive. I know Diddy did
come out with some sort of documentary like about himself or like you know
people do all kinds of crazy things but I'm like maybe it means like because
like if you also had like really awful shit on you would you want to be doing
press tours like you know what I mean it makes me feel like oh maybe he's like a
good guy like it's the way I feel about 50 cent and 50 cents got a documentary, I think,
about Diddy, which means to me be like, oh, maybe 50 cent is like actually not a
bad person.
Like maybe he doesn't have rape allegations and assault allegations because
why would he be doing this documentary?
Quick Google search.
Oh.
Quick Google search, probably not.
Yeah.
But, um, no, but I don't know.
There's something about this that I'm like, yeah, okay.
Maybe there's still good people in music out there who we once admired.
I think at this point, it's a safe bet to just presume that anyone at the height of
the entertainment industry probably has a graveyard's worth of skeletons in their closet.
I think so too. The Me Too movement really passed over the music industry and was like, too
much, too big, we'll get back to this.
Right.
I put a pin in here.
I need music to do drugs too, at least.
Too much homework for the reporters on this one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For real though.
Right.
For real.
The one, so suggesting that this really is just them trying not to have to cast
somebody who looks like the iconic person.
We also have the Robbie Williams movie that is coming out soon.
Robbie Williams is a massive star in the UK.
He he's a blurred line guy, right?
No, that's Robin.
No, that's Robin.
Yeah, that's Robin Thicke's son, right? That's Alan Thicke's, that's Robin. Yeah, that's Robin.
Fix son, right? That's Alan. Fix son, Alan. Fix son, Robin.
Okay. No, that Robert Robbie Williams, like had a couple songs in the early
2000s that like broke through in the U.S. Millennium, I think. Yeah.
Millennium is one where he's and, he's basically like hot, right?
Like that's kind of his thing.
He's like a hot boy idol, like, but he's still alive.
He's still too fresh in people's memory
to have a biopic starring anybody who's just like a-
We're doing Gen X biopics is what we're saying.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And so what they've done is they're like, okay, so they're thinking like, okay, we
have this problem that we can't solve with Robbie Williams, this Robbie Williams biopic,
like, how do we cast it?
And then they at around that time, the Planet of the Apes movies are coming out and
they're like, what if Robbie Williams a monkey for some reason?
Yeah.
And not everybody in the movie a monkey. And now I'm going to start talking like the politician
that we were just meeting for the first time out of Virginia. Not everybody monkey. Robbie Williams,
though. He monkey.
Let's see this teaser.
Oh my God.
Think.
Yeah, they're kids kicking a ball at a chimp
What's with the monkey based on the truth?
What is the true story here this chimpanzee who evolved into a hot singer or what?
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm human at some point. No, I think it's it's meant to be because he said I
Different I've always felt different.
I've always felt a little less evolved.
Yes.
And interesting.
Yeah. Less evolved?
Okay, this feels like a cover for me too stuff.
I've always felt less evolved.
My animal instincts got the better of me.
Haven't you seen my biopic?
I'm a monkey. I'm a bit of one of those freak chimps that'll rip your arms off.
Yeah.
So the really shocking thing about this is that it has come out like at various festivals and people think it's good.
Like it got an 86 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
People are like, this thing actually goes.
It's fucking cool.
Or tears shed?
Somehow, I don't know.
I don't wanna judge it.
Do something different.
You know what I mean?
It's better to have this than the same old biopic,
which for the longest time I thought was biopic,
which I still think it should be pronounced biopic,
but that's all I have to say.
Yeah, like a biography.
Like a biopsy, but yeah, biopic.ography, like a biopsy, but like a biopsy.
Are you getting a biopsy? Yeah. I always think of like cancer treatments.
Whatever. Yeah.
But, but right. Like it's like, okay, they did something different. I don't know why it had to
be about Robbie Williams, but it sounds like it's a nice movie about a chimp that finally learns
his place and it's on stage. And inspires a generation.
No, like I'd prefer some just weird thing where it's like if Pharrell was an alien,
you know, because he says that a lot and amongst people growing up, he's like,
I always felt different in my creativity.
I'm like, he says that a lot.
Like, I think it's even in the trailer about how he said, I always felt different as a kid.
Like, that's a better thing to see than like,
oh, so now you're a fucking Lego?
No, no, no, no, no.
And at least that's a different kind of movie.
The Andre 3000 biopic that it needs to be him secretly,
he's been an alien the whole time.
He's been trying to tell you the whole time.
That's what AT Aliens was.
Like that shit was not ironic.
Yeah.
Nothing, not a metaphor for alienationilly you are listening to me yeah you are not listening to me
I'm what actually from I just want to be heard you yeah no one even noticed my
flute is using alien technology everyone's goes wow look at cool food
he's got it's from another fucking planet y'all anyways Hollywood make that
happen things are so weird though at this point that I saw this tweet
So somebody retweeted a thing from at discussing film blue check mark
So, you know, it's real that announced an animated Phil Collins
Biopic is in the works that will take place in the world of Grand Theft Auto
And it's almost like okay what the fuck is going on and I was just like yeah the works that will take place in the world of Grand Theft Auto, Collins will voice himself.
Someone was like, okay, what the fuck is going on?
I was just like, yeah, no, that is not
the strangest biopic that I've heard of a musician yet this year.
That actually sounds tight.
I don't even know Grand Theft Auto very well,
but I know Phil Collins music and I feel like
those two things work well together. Yeah. Animated Genesis, Phil Collins music and I feel like those two things work kind of well together. Yeah
Animated Genesis Phil Collins thing is fine. But this is this isn't real, right?
I'm guessing because this this can't be it
I don't understand why this would make sense to anyone who's actually making films to be like, alright, man
What do we get the biggest video game franchise ever and use that IP to then mash that together.
One of my favorite musicians, Phil Collins, man.
I mean, that's a sick fucking movie right there.
I know it's not true, right?
It's not true.
It's not true.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I'm the same way.
We would be sitting here reporting that it was true, but our writer,
J.M. McNabb, was like, guys, this isn't true.
Guys, hey, don't do it.
Don't say it's true.
But believable.
Believable, yeah.
It's all about IP.
Yeah, it is.
And also a little bit of like not paying actors.
And I don't know what the state
of the animator's strike is right now,
but I'm like, a lot of this,
you gotta imagine these were films that were
being made during the writer's strike and the sag strike. So that's my, we might be
seeing the product of that as well.
Yeah. It's such a fun whimsical origin story where Pharrell was just like playing with
Legos and we were like, Oh my God. No, actually it was to fuck a bunch of people out of as
much money as possible.
We told Pharrell this was the,
this he probably is gonna get the biggest return
on it being animated.
Yeah.
Oh, that's the most weird.
He's gonna announce he's a billionaire
at some point too, right?
Could be.
I wonder what his net worth in that world.
I mean, if Selena Gomez just became a billionaire,
then why can't Pharrell?
I know, I'm so disgusted with,
I know you guys talked about, I'm just so disgusted with these stories, billionaires, like a newly mint a billionaire. Why can't Pharrell? I know. I'm so disgusted with, I know you guys talked about, I'm just so disgusted with these stories.
Billionaires like a newly minted billionaire.
Shut the fuck up.
This is so illegal.
Why?
Are you jealous?
Yeah.
Because you'll never be one.
Well, I make like a third.
What do I make?
I don't even know how much I make compared to a million dollars.
But like it is, we were talking about it earlier. I don't even know how much I make compared to a million dollars.
We were talking about it earlier.
It is really funny that people who make good money, millions of dollars a year, who are
fine, who are taking great vacations and live in wonderful homes, truly we are being told
and somehow believe that they are closer to being a billionaire than they are to like,
you know, being a McDonald's worker or a Walmart greeter.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, and they're like, no, no, you have way more in common with a Walmart
greeter than you do with billionaires.
And by the way, you're being taxed at a rate that like, anyway, it's just like,
you're the ones who should be so mad and yet you're voting for Trump at like,
people who make like half a million dollars or a million dollars a year,
which is like, good on you, that's fine. You're a hard worker.
But if they'd realized there's a ProPublica study that came out that just shows you the discrepancy.
People who are in that mid-tier are paying way more in taxes than the richest,
and they should be fucking livid about it.
Right. And those are the people that they, I think it's like a perfect group to have
that because they become the fighters for like the taxes are killing.
Yes.
Yes.
And because they have their homeowners, they have political power, their voters.
Exactly.
And it's just, yeah.
That Zillow argument is going to be hitting with them.
Yeah.
People love to check their homes value on Zillow.
Redfin, we just got a curb report or whatever that shit's called.
It's like, what your mom house worth now?
But yeah, Pharrell, I mean, come on.
Yeah, whatever, dude.
He's not a billionaire yet.
Did you see the Selena Gomez though?
She said when they brought it up, she's like, I'd rather not talk about money.
I think it's in poor taste.
You're like, you fucking billion.
That's such a fucked up answer to give.
Like, I think it's in poor taste to talk about the fact
that I've become a billionaire.
Like y'all, come on now.
You lose the right to do that once you become a billionaire.
It's not in poor taste, exactly.
It's not in poor taste to be a billionaire.
It's in poor taste to talk about it.
Right, right. You better give a bunch of that money away Exactly. It's not important to be a billionaire. It's important to talk about it. Right.
Right.
You better give a bunch of that money away so you're no longer a billionaire.
Then we'll stop asking you questions about it.
Yeah.
She's like, dude, I'm in that sweet spot, dude.
950 million.
Francesca Fiorentini, what a pleasure having you on the Daily Zayac, as always.
Where can people find you, follow you, and is there a work of media that you've been
enjoying?
Yes.
Follow me at FrannyFio, F-R-A-N-I-F-I-O on all the socials, and then you can listen to
the Bituation Room podcast wherever you get your podcasts, but also streaming live on
YouTube, youtube.com slash FrannyFio, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
1pm Pacific, 4pm Eastern.
Yeah.
It's been fun.
We've got a few more shows to go before the election.
So yeah, come on.
We'll be streaming live for the election.
I'm going to see if I can pull some of these, these guys over, uh, for a live
election stream, if you guys have a moment.
Yeah.
I need at least three days of post on any video that I appear in so that
they can turn me into a Lego version of myself.
All right.
We'll see.
We only appear as a Lego.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, we'll work that out.
Um, and a piece of media I'm enjoying, it is a tweet that I've been saying out
loud to myself all week.
It's, uh, Sirow Chow Chow, Mr. Chow on Twitter, who says Al Pacino saying moodang.
Moodang!
Moodang!
Moodang!
Got a great ass!
Moodang!
Moodang!
Al Pacino, we're after life.
Moodang! Got a great ass!
So good! That's so good! I didn't know your Al Pacino, so good.
That's so good.
I didn't know your alpha Gito was that good.
I love it.
Part of heat only, but got a great.
Does he say got a great ass?
She got a great ass.
You got your head all the way up.
Wait, why did you just turn into looking?
When did you decide to only act by yelling?
Like I watched Godfather 2 again and it was just like,
you know, N1 and we're like,
remember when you didn't yell all the time and did subtlety?
The math is so simple on that, Francesca.
It is when he won an Oscar.
He won an Oscar for Sen of a Woman in which his character had a southern accent for no reason
and shouted intermittently and he was like, oh, this is what you want. Oh, yeah.
I got some for you.
It was so much more than that.
He's done that ever since.
And I for one.
He also danced tango. I love that movie.
Oh, God damn. He makes love to the screen in that movie.
So creepy.
There's a part of that movie I can never get over.
What part?
When he smells a woman's perfume and is
able to guess her name based on the perfume.
So creepy.
That is some pickup artist fantasy.
Yes.
Yes, exactly.
It's like, come here, let me smell your neck girl.
Yeah.
Brenda?
Yeah.
No.
It is straight up.
No, not at all.
Not even close.
Brenda.
Fucking creepy.
What?
I do think like somebody needs to write a 300 page dissertation about the connection between
scent of a woman and like pick up bro culture. Yeah.
Also basically Superman of pickup artists.
Speaking of biopics that were good.
I mean, the Ray Charles biopic with Jamie Foxx, but I always think about that
wrist thing that apparently Ray Charles would do is feel like meet women and
then feel their wrists and then decide whether or not they were hot
Based on that right there wrist. Yeah
What if yeah the woman is just beautiful but has like has broken her wrist in three places
Then no, sorry because like my man was off heroin and he had weird methods, you know
He's actually just looking for a good vein. My favorite part is like, OK, girl, let me I can feel right there.
Oh, yeah, that's healthy.
Now, just my favorite part of Ray is Bokeem Woodbine.
He's like, this ain't no we, Ray.
And we ain't snorting no bitch.
This is boy that and boy will make your ass null and void.
That whole fucking monologue.
This ain't no weed, Ray.
Is a strong touchstone of the,
I mean, now that we're doing video episodes,
we might as well just insert that right here.
I know.
It's fair use, definitely.
Yeah, it is fair use.
Yes.
It's a touchstone.
It's one of the video touchstones of the podcast.
This ain't no weed, Ray.
Amazing.
Well, thank you, Francesca.
Miles, where can people find you?
Is there a work in media you've been in?
Yeah, Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray.
If you like basketball podcast, check miles and Jack about Mad Booster's.
That's miles and Jack's an NBA podcast.
If you like 90 Day Fiance, check me out on 420 Day Fiance.
This is a Malibu Barbie.
What else?
Wait, what's a Malibu Barbie?
Did I say that?
I think I said check Jack and I on the basketball podcast.
Miles and Jack on Mad Booster's. If you like 90 Day Fiance, check out 4 on the basketball podcast. I was a check on my boosties and like maybe if you have to check out
420 days, there's a metal Barbie and the thing is some tweets I like.
There's actually some some good tweets like when I I every time I open
the Twitter feed, it's always like the weirdest mix of shit.
Elon is trying to push on you now and then things that are semi relevant to you.
So it's nice to see some tweets.
I like first one at Melissa M. Ware tweeted,
kids aren't reading entire books
because they are not being offered
personal pan pizzas upon completion.
Bam, policy solution.
For people of a certain age,
you knew about how that personal pan pizza was hitting
even though I wasn't always reading the books
but I said I was.
At Lorena S. Gonzalez tweeted,
so immigrants come to this country with fentanyl and guns to sell, but
steal your job demanding to work for less than minimum wage,
then with all those sub minimum wages outbid you on a house and
maybe eat your pets. Okay, got it. Got it. Got it. That's
beautiful. And then finally, a friend of the show, Margaret
killjoy at magpie Kiljoy,
we always talk about how like, compassion, you could like the one side of seeing these
disasters happen even in places really like, Oh, God, what's gonna come of us is that you
ultimately, people do show each other compassion and, and mutual aid is very real. So, at magpie
killjoy, she tweeted disaster compassion is real. Here's some things
I've seen today and yesterday in Western North Carolina with like an entire thread of just
like really fantastic, like anecdotes, observations she made. Like this is a really long thread. And
it's everything from just just the simplest things of people, you know, helping each other to like
tool libraries opening up to help people fix things and all
this other stuff. So I think for a world right now where we lack a bit of hope and thinking
that we have lost total compassion for each other, I think this was like a really nice
thread and also underscores the importance of mutual aid and solidarity.
So yeah, yeah. And a lot of groups are accepting donations to whether like on, you know, monetary
or even just like goods, clothing and, um,
and all kinds of sanitary stuff.
And yeah,
we will link off to some of those places in the footnote for notes tweet.
I've been enjoying friend of the show at Danielle Radford tweeted
Megalopolis is a lot of things.
And one of them is like, if Baz Luhrmann made a Batman movie, but lost the rights
halfway through production
Cuz like the beginning I was like I'm gonna make a Batman movie like I'm here for it
I can't believe that hasn't happened already right and then I also Daniel Lou at Daniel Day Lewis tweeted
Top 10 funniest acting choices ever made here miss Kidman is searching for a clue that might help her find her missing child.
And for a brief second, she chooses to look around this dark room with a
pair of binoculars, almost as if to say, what are binoculars and how do they work?
It's really, she's like shuffling through a desk, like looking at all these,
like papers and notes, and then she just picks up a pair of binoculars and just does this.
Which is, I'm gonna put the link in there
for people watching to check out.
Is this still Megalopolis?
No, this is just a new movie.
I don't know what it's from.
Oh, I'm sorry, okay, okay.
That's great.
If I was better at my job,
I would have looked ahead of time, but I did not.
Let me see.
Is anybody in the comments?
Is it the Netflix one?
Is that anything useful?
No, it's Twitter now.
Of course not.
Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.
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Footnotes.
We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song
that we think you might enjoy.
Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy?
This is a track by the group Common Saints and it's called Sweet Release and it's got
like really kind of nice sort of trippy, folky vocals in the beginning.
And then like the like the full drum kit comes in and it becomes a little bit more of a head nodder,
groover track. But I really love the vocal mix specifically on it. So if you got headphones,
check that out. Go go into a wonderful place. This is Sweet Release by Common Saints.
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