The Daily Zeitgeist - Still Getting Over That Press Conference, Hi Lolita 11.23.20

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

In episode 765, Jack and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by There Are No Girl's On The Internet host Bridget Todd to discuss Trump sabotaging the Biden team transition, Giuliani's My Cousin Vinny impression, Tucker Carlson coming for Sidney Powell, the report about Pope John Paul II, the Lolita podcast, and more!FOOTNOTES: Highlights From the Transition: Trump, Refusing to Concede, Cheers On Supporters My Cousin Vinny director responds to Rudy Giuliani Tucker Carlson bashes Trump attorney Sidney Powell for lack of evidence in fraud claims: ‘She never sent us any’ How Sidney Powell inaccurately cited Venezuela’s elections as evidence of U.S. fraud. Vatican's explosive McCarrick report largely places blame on John Paul II Lolita Podcast WATCH: Open Mike Eagle - Relatable (Peak OME) prod by Nedarb Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Monday, November 23rd, 2020. Some 59, 58 days until January 20th, 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. It's Daily Zeit. My name's Jack O'Brien. It'sk.a. It's Daily Zite. My name's Jack O'Brien. It's Daily Zite. Ooh, Daily Zite. That is courtesy of Chrissy. I'm Gucci Mane, and I'm thrilled to be joined by today's special guest co-host.

She is the hilarious, the talented Lil' Zam herself, Jamie Lofton! talented Lil Zam herself, Jamie Lofton! A.K.A. Seize the fucking hotels in Los Angeles, A.K.A. I learned that Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast and now I'm upset!

Wait, what? Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast together? Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast together? Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast together. Why? I don't know. It doesn't compute for me. How did they meet?

It's one of those things where it's like, how do these two people know each other? What? How much? Who is even selling out in this equation? Right. And I don't care enough about any... She's so interesting. She's really interesting, and I love her.

And this is like, but what are you doing? But what is this? She just wrote Toy Story 4. She just did that. She just did that. That's my favorite movie of all time. And she just like... And I still forget every time I watch it She just did that. She just did that. Like that's my favorite movie of all time. And she just like,

and I still forget like every time I watch it that she wrote it. And then I just, yeah. But a podcast with a billionaire in the year 2020, it's just like, what is going on here? That feels like a Google camp match. Like they were Google camp roommates, you know? It sounds like a mad lib. It really does.

And so I have all those questions, but I don't care about the answers enough to actually listen to an episode of the show. So it'll remain a mystery. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious, the talented, the great Bridget Todd! Oh, I love the air horns.

Thank you for that introduction. I always feel I can hear the air horns even when you're not actually doing them, so I appreciate it. How are you? Yeah, how have you been? Things are good. I feel like how are you is almost like a triggering question these days. What is that supposed to mean?

How am I? You are in D.C. I am in D.C. Coming at you from Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights. And is there, because that city changes based on like the administration, right? Absolutely. Yeah.

I moved, I lived in DC for a really long time. I moved here at the tail end of the Bush administration. I was here for both Obama administrations and the Trump administration. So I'm definitely, the city definitely changes based on the current administration. I can tell you that in uh when i was here for the bush administration you would see dudes walking around with like um cowboy boots and like cowboy hats and like um what do you call those bolo ties yeah bolo ties like there was a real like weird texas vibe because of george bush yeah so the city definitely changes based

on who is in office and like what kind of people are moving to the city for what kind of administration. Oh, my God. That's brutal. I wonder what Biden boys are going to look like washing your eyes. A lot of people with really tight faces. Maybe the veneer movement is finally going to touch down in D.C. I can see it. Yeah.

Has the changeover happened yet? Like, have the MAGA folks vacated? People are just jubilant. Like, I think it is, you know, when you live in D.C., it's like, you see these assholes around. Like, I saw Ivanka Trump outside of a SoulCycle once, you know. You see these people. Like, I don't imagine that me and a lot of trump administration officials were going to the same places but every now and then you'll see them if you go to like a fancy restaurant or something

you'll see officials like all my friends have planned out like what would you say if you saw you know jared kushner out on the street what would you do like would you yell at him what would you do uh but the vibe in dc is pure jubilant i'm talking people spraying champagne on the streets people hanging out of cars screaming we cannot wait to be rid of this motherfucker and all of his croonies so we're just so happy yes that were you in dc on election or not election day but day of the day they called it. I was in DC the day it was called. It was, so I think,

wait a minute. I think I came a day later. It was, the vibe was still very Jubilee. And honestly, like all my friends who were in DC when it was called, they, the,

the images they showed me, the like videos they showed me, people stood out on their balconies and banged pots and pans in celebration. The only thing that I could even compare it to is I happened to be in Paris when France won the World Cup. That's the only thing I could compare it to. It was like that level of collective joy, like strangers high-fiving in the streets.

The banging pots and pans is my favorite because it's just like so just infantile. Just like I'm happy. It's such a like infantile expression of happiness where you're like, I just got to make this loud noise. That rules. All right, Bridget, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to tell our listeners just a couple of things we're talking about i feel like we breezed past the giuliani press conference so we're gonna just check in with that one more time

yeah we didn't talk about his his seams at all, his skin that's falling apart at the seams. Yeah, yeah. And his My Cousin Vinny performance. There's also an underrated ghoul in the background. His pal, Sidney Powell, is very underrated, and her background is interesting. So we'll talk about that. underrated and her background is interesting so we'll talk about that we'll talk about uh saint pope john paul ii uh turns out he not not the best uh guy in the world so we'll talk about

him we'll talk uh jamie you have a podcast coming out today about lolita yeah um so we're going to talk about that yeah uh and uh we're going to talk about uh the song you're welcome and alec baldwin's sign that he put up at the end of snl saying you're welcome all that plenty more but first bridget we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history that is revealing, that is embarrassing, that you don't want us to know about? Well, I don't know that I would say it's embarrassing, but something that I have dedicated a lot of time to researching and reading every single comment about

is Janet Huber, the original Aunt Viv on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. They just had a reunion on, I think, HBO Max. And I remember thinking, like, oh my God, are they going to bring out Janet Huber? I don't know if y'all watched it, but Janet Huber and Will Smith finally buried the hatchet.

And so I have been doing some deep Googling. I need to know every detail of this feud to, like, remind myself. She has held a grudge against him for, like, since the you know 90s this is this is this this beef has really aged and i didn't realize that was still an active beef well they buried the hatchet just this week but it's been like if this beef was a child it will be like 20 years old right it will be old yeah maybe it's like i wonder if like will smith

is in the reconciling mood because of his journey at the Red Table. Oh, God, remember that? Just drag me, you guys. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. The clip that I saw, she really was open about, she was like, you said I was difficult and that really damaged my career. Like that's not a thing that somebody,

uh, a star can say about a woman of color and not have it like really damage her career. And like the fact, like that's kind of, I don't know that that's the sort of reconciliation that you don't usually get. Usually it's just them being

like yeah but we're past it and like not like actually like bringing the the actual damage to the foreground i don't know i'm here i'm really excited to watch the reunion now yeah you should definitely watch it it is i mean i'm not gonna lie i cried it's it was and also it's like quarantine vibes so like everything is like hitting at least me. Everything is hitting me emotionally in ways that it maybe wouldn't before. But I think you're right. I think I was happy to see the conversation take that turn of like, well, what does it mean when you call a black woman difficult in Hollywood. It actually, it means a lot. It's not, you're not just casually doing that. But then also it really got me thinking like, I, a lot of us, myself included, like grew up on Fresh Prince. Like they kind of weirdly, even though it's a television show

and they're fictional, they felt like family to me in a lot of ways. And watching them reunite now and then talk about Uncle Phil who passed away. Like you really see like oh wow this is like i feel like i grew up with them in a kind of way i know this is very cheesy but it was just really hitting me and all the emotions that's i didn't realize that that was the grounds that their feud had been on i just knew that they didn't like each other for

some reason i have to watch this yeah you should definitely watch it yeah yeah i didn't realize that either and i i applaud uh her for like coming out and you know be like saying that to like one of the biggest most powerful stars in hollywood and also him like leaving that in because it is like yeah i think people realized a little bit more like the depth of of what happened there yeah i didn't realize i just this is all just from the trailer, but that Uncle Phil was like a Shakespearean actor and after the scene where Will was like, why doesn't he love me?

And Uncle Phil hugs him, he said into his ear, now that's acting. I was like, that was- It gives me chills, that's acting that was acting that was so good nothing you say he was a shakespearean actor everything about like his voice his like the way he carries himself you're like oh that is shakespearean just knocking down that back wall with that voice with such gravitas right like he really had a presence and and then Carlton

when he did the Carlton dance he walked up to him and said that's dancing that's not true what is something you think is overrated something I think is overrated all of your listeners in Atlanta are not gonna like this but oh ti y'all i know that i know that we have speaking of the red table ti has been brought

to the red table before for you know his foolishness but yeah i something that he said recently that itis cannot abide you know he's he's not he's known for saying things that are a little bit out of pocket but he in a in a complex interview said that he does not need to wear masks to curb the spread of covid because he drinks hot tea and hot beverages kill covid in your throat before it before like that like, because he drinks hot tea, he doesn't need to wear masks. That sounds like March. Exactly.

March rhetoric. Exactly. And here's my thing. I think that he needs to loudly and publicly correct this harmful misinformation. I think, you know, especially seeing is that he

is such a popular figure in black communities and seeing how much black communities have been ravaged by COVID. It's just so irresponsible to get on your platform and spew dangerous falsehoods. Somebody somewhere is going to hear this and be like, oh, well, I don't need to wear a mask or I drink hot tea or I have a good immune system or something. And I just think now is not the time to be amplifying harmful misinformation when it comes to COVID, particularly to black communities who have already been hit so hard. So, T.I., I'm sorry. I really don't like it.

That sums it up. That's so disappointing. God damn it that also just like of all the covid myths that have like taken hold that one is one of the laziest ones you're just like you have to imagine that you're just one like one like someone who survived COVID being like, I too drank tea. And yet. If only I had had hot tea. Right.

Oh, no, I drink coffee. Like, it's like, what are you talking about? TI, God damn it. What is something you think is underrated? Something I think is underrated is the lesser watched, less popular franchises in the Real Housewives series. I just watched Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I don't know if you guys have seen any of it,

but I think you people should give it a chance. Potomac, I was a little bit late to the game on Potomac, but I was under the weather, so I spent some time getting caught up, and I think folks should give it a chance. They're underrated. all right there we talked about it a little bit on Friday as well uh with with Alice and Rose and it seems like it seems like it's sweeping it's definitely sweeping my timeline at least so I feel like I just have to like start watching so I know

what's going on I'm having FOMO by not watching. Yeah. Let me give you a little preview for Salt Lake City. One of the cast mates is married to her step grandfather. So you heard that correctly. She is her grandmother died and in her will, her grandmother smelled out that in order to get her, essentially was like, I would like you to get her husband essentially was like i would like you to marry my husband and so she does so her husband is also her step-grandfather you heard that correctly what is the age difference oh massive right i mean so right my head hurts so oh i feel like i haven't i haven't done enough research into

salt lake city not that like that anecdote is like see this is normal for salt lake city but people i keep hearing people being like yeah i hear salt lake city's beautiful and uh that's not like a thing that necessarily i had always heard and I've never been there. So I need to... The show makes Salt Lake City look awesome. Like I've been there once for Sundance and it was really beautiful, but you go for a film festival

and it's not really the same thing as going, but the show makes Salt Lake City look like a very fun, beautiful place to live. Yeah. But the show makes Salt Lake City look like a very fun, beautiful place to live. Yeah. We have some of the best fans of Zite. Some of the best members of the Zite gang are from Utah and Salt Lake City.

Yeah, it's interesting. I've also read an entire article about the city planning of Salt Lake City. So I do know stuff about Salt Lake City, and I haven't really gone or I feel like I need to do a deeper dive. And by that, I mean I need to watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. That'll be an accurate portrayal. They apparently shot an entire season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that they just scrapped.'re just like yeah we can't use this it's not interesting enough and then went back and recast it with just the um the people with the wildest backstories that they can find that makes so much sense because the women on this

show are fucking wild like they're all their backstories Mary's backstory is obviously the wildest because she's married to her grandfather right um but you know and also i should point out mary is not a mormon um which is you would think she would be but she's not uh but yeah all the women have i can see that they were casting for wildness for sure so intense that's i can't imagine imagine being told that your entire season is being scrapped because you're too boring that's hard that's what happened with dc they had a dc they had a data data dc uh season that aired the the biggest like um the biggest plot line was that the um white house party crashers do you remember them yeah couple that crashed the

white house um state dinner that was like the biggest plot line and then i guess people thought it was too boring because like dc drama it is kind of boring yeah that was just it they had one season one and done wow and that's not potomac that's different no potomac is different potomac is much better i would say i didn't i didn't watch Potomac for a long time because it almost felt like a little too close to home. Like these women could be my mom's friends. It's like a certain kind of like bougie black lady that I was like, oh, this is a little too close to home. But it's definitely worth checking out. One of these days I'm going to watch A Housewives.

It sounds like Salt Lake City is a fun place to start. Salt Lake City is a fun place to start salt lake city is a good place to start if you if you were just like i'm trying to casually dip in just to you know get a little taste it's a good place to start jamie you've never watched a real housewives no i haven't it's a big it's a big blind spot i have that's that's amazing that's you. I think you're one of the few Americans left. Maybe that explains your unique cultural perspective. I just have lived a life free of housewives. Unpickled by the housewives franchise. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come right back. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come right back.

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not giving him access to any of the information that he would need to actively prepare to take over our battle against the coronavirus. I feel like Thanksgiving, the CDC at the end of last week said you shouldn't travel basically for Thanksgiving. I'm also starting to see uh and not just from uh science science expert ti but starting to see like studies that question whether masks like are enough uh anymore and not not like that you can just like

go do anything with masks on but that yeah it seems like all the different things that were working before are now not really working anymore. Or like you could get away with like taking risks before that you can't really get away with. Like they're in the UK, there are studies saying that going to the grocery store is like the way people are all catching it now. Whereas that had seemed to be fairly safe,

like before, not like safety who walk around without a mask on, but like going with a mask and like PP and, uh, getting in and getting out and like was a thing that you could do. And now they're saying that might not be the case anymore just because it's so prevalent. i want i've been seeing stories to that effect i want to be like careful not to say because it's like this

is all so far out of my area of knowing anything but it it does it seem like i'm trying to remember where i saw this story but that um it's becoming easy like you don't have to quote unquote, make a mistake to contract the virus. You don't need to show up maskless to an event. It's like smaller groups are contracting it more easily just because it's so it's, it's everywhere. It's, it's scary. Um, I will find out where I learned that because it was a legitimate news source but and then also something that i i was um just seeing from people that you know it's i hate

that it's so normalized at this point but like someone's tweet that where they're like i found out i have covet 19 uh we all know what these tweets look like. But the kind of inherent shame that's attached to it, where it's like, at this point, I mean, there's just no, it's so prevalent that it kind of like breaks your heart on top of seeing someone have to have this disease and let it hopefully pass through them safely, but also experience this shame and feeling of personal failure when it's like all they did was go to the

store to get food to survive. It's just, oh, yeah. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think that's such an important thing to raise. I think that when it comes to conversations around quote like healthy bodies quote sick bodies we still have a lot of a lot of work to do in terms of like addressing ableism and stigma around illness just in general and how we have framed these conversations you know if you get covid it is not a personal or moral failing right at this point people are getting it who like you said

like did like they would they did everything right, quote unquote, so they thought. Right. And so I think at this point, like it's very difficult to do. and pay businesses to stay closed and incentivize making smart choices for your health and for your body, people wouldn't feel this way. But we've really been left on our own. And, you know, in the absence of that kind of strong federal leadership that we can all agree on, we're left to blame ourselves, blame each other, because we don't have some sort of centralized leadership making response, helping people make responsible choices to keep us safe and so it's an it's a natural inclination to be like oh well what did i do to cause this or this person was irresponsible they caused this all of that is just is understandable but it is taking away from the fact that we don't have strong federal leadership to be dictating a response to keep us safe yeah yeah so let's talk about what they're doing instead

tweeting about how they were cheated yeah oh my gosh so i mean this this press conference that happened i think last thursday is kind of an all-time iconic just crystallization of everything that's going on with this administration. So Giuliani and Trump's other legal team, Sidney Powell, who's a lawyer who also defended Enron executives back when that happened in the early 2000s, which I feel like there's a similarity there in that Enron executives basically like took the concept of money and like deconstructed it and like scammed it. They were like, yeah, no, we can basically speculate that this is going to be worth this much money. And they basically were able to name how much money they had in their bank accounts. it was like a scam that was like basically undercut the entire base that capitalism is based on and like trump is doing the same thing

with democracy like so this this woman i feel like is just always there when chaos is being sown in a way that is going to inevitably like dissolve our country. Someone showing up in the background of a picture at every historical event kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. But just the theater of Rudy Giuliani, I feel like we need to take a moment to appreciate. So he comes out and begins just sweating profusely, like in a way that at first you see it just all over his face

and he's like hankying himself off. But then there's like hair dye leaking down the sides of his face in a way that makes it look like he's a ventriloquist dummy or something. Yeah, melting for sure. There is a lot of good tweets about this. I enjoyed the Twitter discourse on this. Someone said, what are Republicans turning back into? Putting a picture of that next to a picture of Lindsey Graham,

who's also decomposing at an alarming rate uh what else a lot of people pointed out that it looked like zorg from fifth element another person was like this is why you hire uh union makeup artists and there's just there is a lot of good jokes yes so i actually don't think it's hair dye i i think like so here's my thing if it's hair dye he would have had i don't know if you'll have ever self-dyed your hair i don't recommend it but if you've if you've done it like he would have had to have just for it to be that runny and that thick he would have had to have like just done it and then like gone on stage so like maybe he was using that like um that like quick stuff

it kind of looks like mascara that stuff that you like kind of cake onto your hair just to cover the roots to do a quick job but like yeah if it was hair dye he must have like done like done it and then gone right on onto the podium because it's so thick you know yeah dj danil is our uh correspondent on the street for this story he's been following all the latest rumors and he's been doing deep background some people think that it's mascara he was using to touch up his sideburns to match the hair um which when you look at it like it's really, it looks like he just painted the side of his hair. Yes.

Like just literally used paint. I see it. DJ Daniel on the hair mascara beat. That's right. This is how I learned hair mascara was a thing. That's why we brought him on in the first place was his extensive experience with a hair mascara. But so Sidney Powell, who has been like from day one, she's been the person who has immediately started

throwing out conspiracy theories. In addition to Enron, she was defending Michael Flynn. And she's also full QAnon. She's been retweeting QAnon thought leaders, I guess, for a long time, throwing out wild Q conspiracies over the whole Trump administration. So Tucker Carlson, famous left-wing journalist Tucker Carlson, asked her to come on to present her case. He was like, we would have even given her the whole hour to like present the evidence that would have made the case to our obviously incredibly friendly audience like

that uh there was fraud happening and carlson said uh but she never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of requests, polite requests, not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her, which is really unbelievable that she's like, God, these left-wing journalists at Tucker Carlson's show won't leave me alone. That is really galaxy brain rhetoric yes uh she never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another not one this is actual tucker's getting real good oh thank you so much

uh these are actual quotes from a actual episode of the Tucker Carlson show. Like they're just like, I think they're confused. Like, why isn't she coming on and proving the fraud? The fraud obviously happened because the president said it did. Why? Just show us the evidence. Why wouldn't they? us the evidence why wouldn't they um they also claimed that it was a conspiracy involving george soros uh and the venezuelan government because they they just have a hat that they pull

does a really toting out the hits there. Jesus Christ. I mean, this is a tactic of theirs, right? Let me just throw a bunch of random conspiracy theories to the wall and see what hits. It doesn't matter if they make sense. It doesn't matter if some of them contradict each other. Let me just see what happens.

Yeah, that is a tactic to just overwhelm people with a bunch of nonsense and hope some of it catches. Yeah. I mean, so experts are pointing out like the computer thing that she is really going hard on that, like the votes were hacked. Like the experts are saying, like, you could say that literally about any election and from now on any loser will probably say that about like the election that they lost in at least any like republican candidate who loses will from now on be saying that computers might have been hacked yeah it's the most unfortunate way to bring the hacker aesthetic back into the into mainstream well

jamie you're you're a hawk you're a hawker you're a hacker what what hacks yeah what's your take on on all this we at the hacker we in the hacker community uh as as both a hacker and a coder i cannot vouch for for any of this because I'll tell you why. Keyboard, firewall, what else is there? Screen and DSL. I think that if there was DSL involved, we'd have something to talk about here.

But there's on behalf of the hacker community, I'd like to say keyboard, motherboard, and there's been no hacking. Yeah. Can I just add mainframe? Yeah, they might have jacked into the mainframe.

And to conclude, I am in. I'm in. Yeah, it's just, it's so sad to see, you know, I have to say this is such a sad day for our democracy that like people that like the rhetoric of a rigged election, quote unquote, or like illegal votes, the fact that that has been getting mainstream legitimate, like legitimacy is, is really a travesty. Like there have been plenty of presidents that I didn't agree with, but you didn't have them out here saying that our, our democratic system is rigged against them. Like that is such a different thing. And yeah, I just think that it is so beyond the pale of what we should expect, even from shitty politicians. Like

it's just, it's just so unacceptable. Yeah. And I also have to say, like, I have to, I, for my day job, I have to watch quite a bit of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, I hate to give him this. He's, he's like playing his cards. He's being a savvy, a savvy person. And that I think he's very clearly setting himself up as like, well, I'm the only one you can trust here. Like Trump, you can't trust him. His team is lying.

Trust me, Tucker Carlson. I have your best interests at heart. And I don't think it's been terribly unaffected as much as I hate his guts. I have to say, like, I think he's playing a long game. Yeah. Carlson 2024. Yeah.

He really could be our next president. Yeah. I, yeah. And it's like, even going forget i like did a deep dive on what his career was a couple years ago because unfortunately i worked at playboy when he did the playboy interview uh uh the definitive tucker carlson playboy interview it was the most frustrating two months of my fucking life. But yeah, even learning how he's been strategically playing his cards for so long,

where he used to hold pretty different political views, but he just rolls with it and then justifies stuff on the back end by any means necessary. And yeah, unfortunately, I totally agree bridget he's like he's savvy in a way that you're like oh this this seems dangerous yeah definitely and can we also just point out the fact that um let's not forget that john stewart made fun of him for wearing bow ties and he then he like switched up his entire style and stopped wearing those bow ties as soon as he was called out i didn't forget about it it. So I just want to point that out. I didn't know that. His whole thing

was wearing little striped bow ties. And then in that interview where Jon Stewart basically just destroyed him, crossfire, he was like, Tucker, you're a grown man wearing a bow tie. You don't need to wear bow ties anymore. Yeah.

That's going to be the new villain origin clip that's played if Carlson runs is the same thing of Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Yeah. And he's also like willing to

be economically populist. Like that was the thing that trump like the when he lost i feel like was when he just kind of became disconnected from uh all the stuff that he ran on 2016 of being a economic populist and was instead like you know doing tax cuts for all of his friends and like tucker carlson like criticized him at that point which i was like oh that was the first time i was like oh i'm a little bit scared of him as a political force all right uh also can we insert the uh rudy giuliani's my cousin vinny uh impersonation just because it's such a it's like a child doing an adult voice uh he starts just

saying you remember when like my cousin vinny's like how many fingers do but then he like stops himself and is like how many fingers do i got up and it's like wait what what the fuck did what did what just happened there we could do like a, did you all watch My Cousin Vinny? You know the movie? It's one of my favorite law movies because he comes from Brooklyn. And when the nice lady who said she saw, and then he says to her, how many fingers do I, how many fingers do I got up? The fact that we, that Rudy Giuliani like fucks up so regularly that people

have stopped talking about his turn in borat 2 is truly historians will be boggled in the future like wait a second didn't borat 2 come out like that three weeks ago and now he's done 45 ridiculous horrible things since then and everyone just kind of is like well i guess we have to move on because now he's doing my cut he's like tucker carlson he's just but he's just flooding you with like yeah bullshit that also is it's not strategic i don't know what the strategy could possibly be maybe it is maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe it's that we talked before about how it is an actual Bannon strategy that he calls flooding the zone with shit. Very, very smart and eloquent. Also his approach to fashion.

That's right. Flooding the pants with shit. That's his approach to fashion. And flooding the torso with shirts. uh he has seven shirts he wears like seven shirts at the same time uh but yeah i mean maybe he's just like fucking up constantly so that the him laying down in a underage person's uh hotel bed claiming he was tucking his shirt but reaching into his pants is like the fifth thing in our memory uh the the zone has been flooded with shit yeah anyways uh shout out to uh my cousin vinny which yes the hardest uh i've ever seen my grandfather laugh

oh it's such a classic i'm just happy we're all talking about uh we're all talking about my cousin vinny and i hope that we can use it as a springboard to talk more about marissa tomei because she's so good in that movie she's so good in everything every movie she's so good in every movie yeah that's also uh somebody i'll find the tweet actually i don't want to take somebody's observation without crediting them um but they were pointing out that like her oscar win was seen as like illegitimate and people made up a like election conspiracy theory when she was the rightful winner okay real quick i do want to talk about just uh the the catholic church so they they just did this investigation uh the vatican did an investigation into an american bishop cardinal whatever like one of the big main church president guys for america who was a serial sexual predator

and what they found out was that pope john paul ii who was my pope when I was a kid. I was JP too. But people informed him that this guy was a serial sexual predator. And John Paul II was like, nah, fam, it's cool. And they have since like sainted him. He's now seen as a saint. He's officially a saint in the catholic church and he was basically like the joe paterno of uh of the catholic church just let let this dude continue to be in a position of power after people were like he uh makes people who like other priests who work for him like sleep in his bed and he has had these accusations

against him and like the the report from the catholic church is like yeah but pope john paul the second like came up in a communist world where uh the communists were slandering bishops as sexual predators just to you know know, because communists hate church. And, uh, I feel like that only makes me think that they were right. That those bishops probably were sexually abusing minors. Like it doesn't,

that's not just like Catholic church does not have a, a good track record on it. Like, I think it's pretty like a pretty bullshit argument to be like no at this specific point in history it was actually nothing was happening right because of because communism i just this is so upset like at at i don't know i like grew up catholic, and then we kind of defected halfway through. But it just, I mean, everything you hear, especially about the higher up area of the Catholic church,

it just seems unreformable. It just is, I feel like at the very, very least, it demonstrates that you're complicit in something. And at worst, you're perpetrating it. It's just, that story was so unsurprising. Yeah. Because you have to imagine,

I mean, every pope is complicit on some level, unless they outright condemn it across the board and actually try to do something about it. It's upsetting. I'm into Catholic school. My Catholic high school has had a lot of trouble there. They're like they send these very urgent fundraising emails that are like, we need money. We're going to close. And the reason why is because people don't want to send their children to Catholic schools to be educated. People like they, like the Catholic church, rightly so, is having an image problem. So they are having a financial crisis because of that. And it's, I can't blame people. It's like who would want to give money, who want to get involved? Like it is really upsetting. And I think, Jamie, you said that you thought that it was sort of unreformable. I completely agree. I think any organization or institution where it's all men at the highest levels and there's no women involved in like leadership, something's not right like that is just like too i don't know i guess i just don't trust whether it's the military the government or the catholic church if they're

not if there's no if there's not enough women in leadership positions something's up like yeah i don't trust it it's too it's like not especially if there haven't been for like millennia it's just yes right and and and like to be clear i'm not talking about catholics as a group like obviously express your religion however you like but something is stinky at the top of the catholic church in particular the hottest take something is stinky in the Catholic church. Oh, man. When you said practice your religion however you want, I immediately pictured the guy from Da Vinci Code just whipping his own back.

Hopefully that's not it. Yeah, well, there's the Alfred Molina connection. He's in the Da Vinci Code. Right. I only saw the Da Vinci Code right I have I only saw the Da Vinci Code once and I could not tell you a single thing that happens in

that movie yeah what were we doing in 2006 were we okay like why was everyone reading the Da Vinci Code it's such a bad book it's like unbelievable how bad it is. I've never read it.

Oh, don't. I remember reading it in the bath for some reason, which is great. I was like, why did I read the Da Vinci Code in the bath? It's not a bath book. And I have no idea what happened. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come right back.

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Most of the time. And we're back. And Jamie, you have a new podcast out on this very day about kind of one of the central cultural texts in recent modern American history. Yeah. So I have a podcast that's started releasing today called Lolita Podcast. And it is about not just the history of the book, but kind of how the titular character has been taken so far out of context in who, you know, what kind of cultural factors were at play here. Because it's, you know, I guess I wanted to ask you both first what your experience with Lolita is, if anything. Yeah, I so first of all, I cannot wait to hear this podcast. Holy shit. What a good concept. Yeah. I have, I have so like, I almost feel weird talking about it. So I

read Lolita when I was pretty young and I do think it kind of, it, it was not like, it was not assigned reading in my high school, but I know for some high schools it was. I think I just, like, picked it up and read it. I was really attracted to the heart-shaped sunglasses, which I know is, like, the iconic thing. It definitely, early on in my young, like, adulthood, set me up for this idea that, like, oh, relationships between young women and older men are, you know, fodder for romance or like intellectualism. And like, it kind of normalized those relationships for me very early on. So I read the book and I've seen both, I think there's only two, both film adaptations, the Jeremy Irons adaptation with, is it Dominique Swain? I think it is. And then the Stanley Kubrick adaptation,

which I actually quite enjoy, but like I probably should be a little more critical of that enjoyment. But yeah, I would say, even as someone who consumed the books and the films, I think the impact that it had culturally is like really clear. This idea that, you know,

like it's like fucked up to say but like I am like very drawn to film that plays with kind of like that dynamic like if you've ever seen that movie with Alicia Silverstone the crush yeah like when I was when I was coming up like those were movies that I always really liked and looking back now I like, how did the normalization of those kinds of dynamics through things like Lolita set us up for like really toxic and most importantly, like uncritically examined dynamics when it comes to gender and like relationships.

Totally. Oh, that's so interesting. Jack, what is your experience with this with this text with this like this cultural text uh it's very very surface level it wasn't like a sign to me i never was forced to read it and i always there's just so many books i haven't read like i i always like if there's a just some small thing pushing back, like I don't know. I always felt weird because it feels like pervy, like the subject matter felt pervy to me as like a teenager and a college student. But there was also always this like intellectual heft of like people being like, this is one of the great novels in the English language.

But I feel like then the way the culture kind of reinterpreted it makes it kind of not... I don't know. I feel like if I had to guess, which is what my only... Because I haven't seen the movies and I haven't read the novels. I guess the seen the movies and I haven't read the novels. I guess the novel is like great and a critique of like the sorts of, uh, masculinity that, and just like,

uh, credit predatory, uh, behavior that is like at the center of it. But then American culture just like managed to, uh, completely fuck up the, uh uh how they take and reproduce that that story totally yeah that's so that's kind of where i start out is i think that that there's

there's a lot of truth to that even though it's uh nabokov certainly like there's like stuff to talk about in regards to i don't know just like he he had some shortcomings he was not I think uh something that a lot of people assume about the book was like well was the author like a a criminal and the answer is no but then the but then the next question is well then why write a book like this? What function does that serve? Is it useful at all? And so I came to the book when Lemony Snicket recommended it in 2004. And I really liked Lemony Snicket.

And I didn't know what the book was about. And then I read it. And I was like, oh, fuck. And similar to you, Bridget, I think uh had a lot of bad takeaways from it uh in a way that was like I think I was like too young to be reading it and then just I don't know all this all this stuff that's at play there so I Jack you're you're right that it's the culture takes it out of context almost immediately. And the show is kind of tracing why.

Because the book is extremely difficult and triggering. And rereading it back as an adult, it's heartbreaking. And we're now closer to the age of Lolita's parents than her. And just plugging yourself into the story is really difficult. But then what's been interesting is digging into, well, who was the first person to frame it as a love story? And where does it go from there? And the stuff I've been uncovering is it like hurts my head. But the I'll give you two little morsels. And the first one.

Morsels. You love you love a morsel. So one of the first people to like break Lolita because it was a really difficult book to get published because it was at the end of the McCarthy era. really difficult book to get published because it was at the end of the McCarthy era. You could literally be taken to court for addressing taboos in a book, whether the book is good or bad. So it finally gets published. And the reason it gets famous is because this famous critic named Graham Greene says it's a beautiful love story. And like, this is one of the best books and you got to read read it and that's part of why it gets famous and so I was like okay let's find out about this Graham Greene character

I wonder if he understood what the book was about and you go back into his history and you find out that it's a part of his it's been kind of well hidden but he was once fired from a magazine about 10 years before lolita came out maybe even sooner uh for talking about shirley temple in this very sexualized way when she was nine years old and so even like the guy who made the book you know like legitimized it in this literary sense the book you know like legitimized it in this literary sense didn't know what it was about and it's like it just uh there's so many little examples like that throughout the history of this book where uh the story is perpetuated over and over and over and it's almost always by someone who hasn't taken in what it's the it feels like the the book's very clear message is and so that is the show with the with the kubrick stuff there it news broke literally last month that um the uh

the producer of that movie was sexually abusive towards the actress who plays the star or who plays lolita there's it it just goes real like there is such a negative history associated with a book that i i think at its core and i talked to a lot of people i talked to like a um child abuse therapist i talked to a lot of people who argue that the book itself is useful to exist while it is triggering and and there's certainly like a lot to unpack with the book but the the wild out of context that has been going on for like 70 years that still kind of hasn't been corrected um is is what the show is about and it hurts my head and uh and that's the show i can't even wait to listen to this there's so much the jeremy irons movie is like there's a clip of jeremy irons doing the press junket for that movie being like i don't see

what the big deal is and you're like i remember that i mean and he's like notoriously an asshole but like he just so like his attitude is so 90s cavalier of like well you know a four talking about dominique swain he's like well you know a 14 year old in california they know everything so you know, kind of just this very. A real Claire Culty, that one. It blows my mind how how everyone who has been given this story to adapt has demonstrated clearly that they don't know what the story is about. And so the wrong message is perpetuated over and over and over. There's a Broadway musical that is written by the guy who wrote My Fair Lady that never debuted,

but there is like some- The lyrics to some of those songs are unbelievable. Who is that viper who likes them post diaper is one of the lyrics. It's disgusting. And yet the songs are catchy. Edward Albee wrote a version of it. It's just David Mamet wrote a draft of a screenplay.

Just everyone who would be at the top of your list as the last person that would take in the message, the last person, has been involved in some way over the past 65 years. Why is it always like old like people who are the age of the criminal and not like women who are doing like that's who should be interpreting the story not uh stanley kubrick and people who could be stanley kubrick if you showed me a picture of them i'd be like yeah maybe, maybe that's Stanley Kubrick.

Oldish white guy. And not even just like oldish white guys, but oldish white guys who already have a notoriously bad track record dealing with women, children, or both. Adrian Line directs the 1997 version, and he, oh, what did I always forget the the glenn close movie oh um fatal attraction oh my god you're just like well that's well that's not gonna be a good fit

right it's just so um sorry i just like rant about this because it's all i think about anymore but it basically i i, I'm trying to find what is the value in this story? Is it salvageable for us in any way? And then also going into like, there's a lot of internet subcultures that are dominated by women and girls surrounding this book and kind of these reclaiming efforts that have been taking place online over the past 10 to 20 years that are pretty interesting to get into as well. So that's so fascinating. I think it really does exist at a really interesting intersection of like culture, literature, film, history. This is a very interesting um thing to be examining and I

remember after the Adrienne Lyne version of the film I remember I was quite taken with Dominic Swain as a young actress I think when that film came out we were around the same age and it's interesting to me the films that she made after were sort of similar that like films where she was like you know I'm a young girl, like exploring the big, like the big world of sexuality and blah, blah, blah. And I almost, I don't know, but I almost felt like doing Lolita as her first breakout role kind of pigeonholed her or pigeonholed her in a kind of way for like people wanting to see her be a certain kind of, a certain kind of, people wanted to see her exhibiting a certain kind of young female sexuality in certain kinds of roles and so i just wonder like the sort of cultural undertow of lolita like it must be very strong like people must really like it just must really have a lot of weight i guess is what i'm saying yeah i feel like the just you know straight old white

cultural hegemony like that men have just pushed like for instance face off was the other movie that came out the same year as lolita and she's uh in that she's like the teenage daughter in that and there's a scene where john travolta who is actually not her father she he just is wearing her father's face but uh because that's a great movie i was hearing that movie recapped your dislike right right right right right but like he like lusts after her and like like had there's like a weird like moment of of that i just yeah it's like there there is a gravitational pull of of that whole yeah just pervy horny old gross men who run hollywood and all like forms of and publishing and all those things and did for the entire 20th

century like the late 70s was a real wild time for that like if you look at just the ads like that was when the uh the Brooke Shields ad where she's like 13 and like starts being yeah there there's literally a ad where uh where there's a woman dressed as like a doll. And the ad, she's like licking a lollipop. And it says, nothing sexier than a baby. Like that's an actual ad from the 70s that I found. There are so many things sexier than a baby. Everything.

Everything is sexier than a baby. Literally everything is sexier than a baby literally everything is sexier than a baby every yeah everything it everything it perpetuates is just like there's and there's all these like bizarrely specific i have a whole episode where i talk to actresses who have played lolita at some point in their careers and there is like this kind of through line of exactly what you're describing bridget of like once you played this role, you can't get out from underneath the like cultural weight of it. And you never see that with the actors who play Humbert or Quilty who are

playing literal pedophiles, but it's like Jeremy Irons is totally fine. James Mason played them in 1962. Donald Sutherland has played him before. Like none of these men ever struggled to work, but in almost every single case, it doesn't always obliterate your career, but it's like a setback almost in a way that it shouldn't be. It is so frustrating. But there's so many ways that, I mean, even with Sue with sue lion who played her in 1962 being

molested by the producer of the movie that's just yeah i mean it's not unbelievable it's actually very believable unfortunately the worst case scenario that's like exactly what you would would expect yeah so so there's a lot it nine, possibly ten episodes that kind of each episode kind of takes a different perspective or examines a different adaptation and yeah, check it out if that's something you're interested

in. It's really amazing. I cannot wait to listen to this. I'm going to listen to it. I was like Googling. I can see the trailer is up. I'm listening to the trailer as soon as we get off the air i cannot wait hell yeah oh i'm so glad uh yeah yeah i'm excited about it i'm also i also have like a phone line open for anyone who like is reading it for the first time as they're listening or like rereading it there's like this kind of amazing like talking to people who have read it multiple times over the years and the first time they read it they identified with lolita the second time they realized that

humbert is a clear-cut pedophile and then the third time they relate with her mother when they have kids of their own there's just kind of this whole your relationship with the material really tends to like change as you get older it It's really interesting. I don't know. Yeah. It's super interesting. All right. Well, Bridget,

it has been a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, the pleasure is all mine. You can find me on Instagram at Bridget Marie in DC. You can find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie, and you can subscribe to my podcast. There are no girls on the internet on this very network. I heart radio.

If you want to have awesome conversations about underrepresented communities and how we show up on the internet. And I would love to have you there. Yeah. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, there is. So Twitter user D bankank underscore bu pointed out that the Texas Tech football team recruits have really wild sounding names, names like

Maverick McHiver or Mason McHorse. And I was thinking, gee, those are some interesting names. Somebody replied to that tweet and they said, oh, you're really sleeping on the Texas men's lacrosse names. Just to give you a couple of these names. These are real lacrosse players names. I looked them up myself. Like a University of Texas? It's at Texas Tech. Texas Tech.

OK. We have Shackleford Standwick Sr. Whoa. Quinn Commandment. Declan Smartwood Dallas Creamer which is my personal favorite Dallas Creamer

Dallas Creamer yeah these names are so fucking good Wheaton Jackaboyce that's actually a close personal friend of mine, but really. That's so funny. Miss key and peel.

Oh my God. Yes. It's anything that like, well, here's my thing about that is like, I, people love to make like jokes about how black folks have unusual names. Rich white people do the same thing.

So I just love that. That's really underscores that like, Oh, rich white people do the same thing so i just love that this really underscores that like oh rich white people they have some wild names we had a person at my school who was like the best lacrosse player on the women's team named wickliffe stanwick uh and that that has gone down in history my friend one time was having an awkward conversation with her and said, so her name was Wick Stan Wick. And he said, this conversation is awkward Stan awkward. Yo, do you think Wick was related to the men's lacrosse player

Shackleford Stan Wick? Yeah, I think it might be because they are. Shackleford Stan Wick. or Shackleford Stanwyck? Yeah, I think it might be because they are... Shackleford Stanwyck. I can't. The Stanwyck family are lacrosse royalty. Oh my God.

I'm not sure if you're aware. If anyone has any insights into these, please get at me on my personal social media accounts. I want to talk about... If you have any insights into lacrosse royalty, I need to know everything. Yeah. All the guys were named like

trevor or tyler or skylar or some shit like that at when i was in college but uh they this is the next generation the the evolutionary lacrosse name uh dallas creamer fucking rules i want to meet this person so badly. Yeah. Shout out to Dallas Creamer. What is, what is Dallas Creamer's life been like? Fucking tight, dude.

Jamie, where can people find you and what's tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on twitter.com at Jamieieloftishelp Instagram at jamiechristsuperstar what's a tweet that I like? All my liked tweets are very depressing right now. I know.

Sometimes you're just like, oh damn. These were all faved for sad reasons. Let's see. I'll go with this one uh from eric francisco at eric francisco 24 didn't expect to wake up this morning and find edward norton's third eye wide open and galaxy brain activated but here we are there's ever note norton had, at the time of this recording, a very specific thread about what he thinks Donald Trump is doing that didn't not make sense, but it was just like,

Edward Norton? Why you? Right. That's the tweet I'm picking. Speaking of Edward Norton, underrated, The 25th Hour, starring Edward Norton. I love that movie.

I've never seen it. Oh, check it out. But also, doesn't he have, is that the one where he has a girlfriend in high school? Or he meets a girl? Oh, shit! It's Rosario Dawson, and their origin story is they met when she was in high school.

And he's like at a playground. It's everywhere! Yeah, a playground. It's everywhere. Yeah, a playground. It really is. It always comes back to Lolita. It really does. It really does. Oh, fuck.

A tweet that I've been enjoying, Miles Khan, at Miles Khan tweeted, I am no longer impressed that Sasha Baron Cohen tricked Rudy Giuliani. Oh, I wanted to, I forgot. I also wanted to shout out something else about Sasha Baron Cohen, which is just an interview that Helena Bonham Carter did last year, where she was just asked about her past co-stars.

And she was nice to everybody except for Sasha Baron Cohen, who she said, he needs a lot of attention, doesn't he? And that's what she said about him. Oh my gosh. I fucking love her. She's amazing. She really just lays Mr. Borat out to dry.

Doesn't he? And she's so British that it was just like Right. That is the wild. dirtiest you can possibly do with a British accent. I mean,

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as super producer Ana Hosni, I said, it's a bop. I also use cool phrases like that. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio

app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what is trending. I think Miles will be back for that one. So we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye.

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I don't know which sequels are truly canonical. I'm sorry, don't follow you. I promise I truly can really remember you. Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. What was that? That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. Can Kay trust her sister, or is history repeating itself? There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing.

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