The Daily Zeitgeist - SunnyD Now With Vodka, Teenage Mutant Ninja Panic 03.09.23

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

In episode 1437, Jack and guest co-host Sara Sabzi are joined by writer, comedian, and co-host of Stuff They Don't Want You To Know and Ridiculous History, Ben Bowlin, to discuss... Customer Rage And Revenge Hit a New 50 Year High, Joe Rogan Opened His Anti-Woke Comedy Club, SunnyD is Back... Now with Vodka--Zero F**ks, The Ninja Turtles Are Back in the Culture Wars and more! Customer Rage And Revenge Hit a New 50 Year High Joe Rogan Opened His Anti-Woke Comedy Club Joe Rogan Addresses Carlos Mencia Feud: “I Don’t Have Any Hate for That Dude” SunnyD is Back... Now with Vodka--Zero F**ks SunnyD is releasing an alcoholic beverage: ‘Welcome to this fiasco’ Sunny D’s depression tweet is what happens when brands try too hard to relate Whatever happened to Sunny Delight? Sunny D Isn't Orange Juice—Here's What It Really Is Regulators choke on Sunny D's spinach claim The Ninja Turtles Are Back in the Culture Wars Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem | Official Movie Trailer TMNT: Was April O'Neil's Original Appearance Whitewashed? A Political History of the ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ The Right Tried to Cancel the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles LISTEN: Cosmic Dawn/Eighth Dimension by Salami Rose Joe LouisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 278, episode 3 of Dirt Daily's iGuest, a production of iHeartRadio. Our co-host today is laughing at the fact that I just screamed that in my father-in-law's study. Just imagining him being like, well, Jack's gone in to do his thing. Suddenly from behind a wood paneling door, you hear, This is a podcast where we do important things, Dad. Uh, like take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness it's actually off is what i call it uh it's thursday march 9th 2023 my name is jack o'brien aka i love it when you call my legs plump birds call my wife my wife while talking state

strife i love it when you call my legs plumpers. Get that TikTok out of my face and please don't shoot up the place. Why? Because the American people don't have any healthcare. Healthcare. That is courtesy of Lockeroni and the Discord. Doing the Lord's work. Just churning them out day after day.

My father-in-law did hear me just saying that. I was very impressed. I could tell by the way he rolled his eyes and just slammed the door. Oh, he's there now. He's a lovely man. I'm just joking. I'm thrilled to be joined by today's guest co-host, a hilarious comedian, writer, director, viral sensation. In honor of International Women's Day, she's going to be eating peanut butter pretzels all

episode. It's Sarah Jones! What up? Sorry, Sharon, a.k.a. Sarah Sabsi, a.k.a. Yeah, that's right. It's what you deserve. All episode, and you can't say anything because it's International Women's Day. International Women's Day. That's right. And if you say something

about the way that I talk and my up speak You're sexist You're so fucking sexist And I'm going to report you to the International Women's Council And they're going to beat your ass Is it cool that I refer to it as International Ladies Day Is that cool?

Yeah that's cool It is funny that in America It's kind of a joke But in the rest of the world International Ladies Day. Is that cool? Yeah, that's cool. Good. It is funny that like in America is kind of a joke, but in the rest of the world, it's a legitimate holiday. Yeah, of course. We're like, yeah, yeah. It's celery month. It's International Women's Day.

But like my cousin like sincerely wished me a happy International Women's Day. And I was like, thank you so much, man. That's awesome. Well, we are thrilled to be joined once again by a writer who's one of the best podcast hosts, executive producers out here doing it. You know him from Stuff They Don't Want You to Know, Ridiculous History, the new podcast, Let's Start a Coup. Please welcome Ben Bowen! Holy smokes! I should have brought snacks.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Jack, for having me back on. You know, every time that I'm lucky enough to drop by the show, I always say, thank goodness you all have such terrible taste in friends. I don't know. Am I at the point where I can write my own AKAs or you got some locked and loaded? You're supposed to. and loaded. You're supposed to. You're at that point the second you come on the show. I forget every fucking time.

Every time I come to the show, Jack and Miles have some crazy AKAs. But by the way, at this point, they outsource them. People on Twitter and the Reddit and the Discord are doing all this. But that's the thing. You've got to get on a week ahead and be like, ZyteFam, I need AKAs. Please, please. And then they'll send you references to songs you've never heard of.

Yeah. Amazing. Okay, then. I am, in full disclosure, not freestyling these. please please and then they'll send you references to songs you've never heard yeah amazing okay then i am in full disclosure not freestyling these uh i i did think about some of these so if they're bad they're my fault uh some of them i used in the past benny both hands uh aka max powers astronaut with a secret aka dr awkward that's a palindrome. And a.k.a. Mr. Redacted. If those work. We'll allow them. I like Mr. Redacted. That's mysterious.

And it'll come into play later. I'll ask you all some questions. Oh, shit. I don't know whose podcast you think you're on. If you think it's your podcast, think you're on. If you think it's your podcast, but you're on the Daily Zeitgeist and it's International Women's Day. So I'd ask you. I'll pump some brakes. Restrain yourself, sir. Jack podcasting from not his house. This is my

house. This is my house. Yeah, exactly. This is my house, dad. All right. We are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment ben first we're going to tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about there's such a thing as a customer rage index and we're going to check in with it the wall street journal wrote an article it was like american consumers are mad more mad more angry like more complainy than they've ever been. And it's costing companies money. But I think there were interesting things between the lines in this article that, of course, the Wall Street Journal left unsaid. But we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Joe Rogan's new anti-woke comedy club.

Which one, Jack? He just opened a new one. And people are like snapping up to it. And Austin, of course they're like he's trying to like make austin a comedy city like a cultural mecca and it's like austin is a cool city with lots of you know cool comedians and cool culture and the fact that like we're now going to be like joe ro. It's the Roganissance, folks. He did it for all of us. It is depressing.

But anyways, we'll talk about it. Because opening night had Roseanne Barr there. I think we all saw highlights of her comedy special on Fox News. Is she wearing the denim 24-7 now? I don't know. But her pronouns are kiss my ass. Is she wearing the denim 24-7 now? I don't know, but she's... I hope so. Her pronouns are kiss my ass.

And highlights a very diplomatic choice of words. I'm sorry, Jack. You mean kiss pronouns are kiss my ass. Kiss pronouns. Please respect her fucking pronouns. It's truly... The fact that that joke is still being used by somebody unironically is amazing. Be careful with that joke.

It's an antique. And so, yeah, that's right. Sonny D is back now with vodka. So we'll talk about Sonny D. We'll talk about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Some of these things we might talk about, but plenty more. First, Ben, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh, okay.

Here it comes. We set it up with the AKA. So we'll get to that in a sec. But first, did you all know that there can be houses considered legally haunted? I didn't know that. That seems... Who decides that? In this case...

Ghostbusters. What I meant was, who books that? Because you've got some stuff to bring up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Nyack, New York,

which sounds like... I believe it's Nyack. Nyack. Well, I'm not going to go. All right. International Women's Day. And if it's not, that's how we're pronouncing it today. Okay, Ben?

All right. Got it. There's a house there called the Ackley House, and the New York Supreme Court State of Appeals First Division, which would be in Manhattan, legally ruled that this house was haunted because somebody bought the house, and it's a very pricey, pinkies-up Victorian,

uptown New York house. And the person who sold it apparently didn't do a good enough job telling the people who bought it that the house was haunted. And so they went to court. And it's a whole hullabaloo. You can learn all about it. Hell never knew such a hullabaloo. Hell never knew such a hullabaloo.

Yes, Jack. And so it was very interesting to find this. A hullabaloo. Yes, Jack. And so it was very interesting to find this, the... A hullabaloo. Hullabaloo! Nope. Yeah. Nope, there it is.

I think we just end the podcast right now. And that's why it's Women's Day. There it is. And there is a show I do called Ridiculous History has an episode that probably like just came out as we're all hearing this in Zeitgang, which

is guest-hosted by some female and female identifying co-hosts because we do respect International Women's Day. So it's called The Plot Thickens. Me thinks an ally I doth

spot. Look. Sorry, I'll doth spot. Fuck. Sorry, I'll stop. I'm sorry. It was International Women's Day on the 8th, right? So we're doing this all the day after. We're recording it on International

Women's Day. I guess the question is, Jack, how much do you respect women? So only for 24 hours. That's 24 hours. That's 24 hours worth of respect. I was just, we are trending yesterday was hosted by super producers

Ana Hosnier and Becca Ramos. So, so we got in there as well. The last, we got in there. Last thing, do check that episode, episode out.

Michael Alder, June and Lauren Vogelbaum go, go into the nitty gritty of this in that. Last thing, do check that episode out. Michael Alder, June, and Lauren Vogelbaum go into the nitty-gritty of this, and it's a really interesting story, but for you all, Sarah, Jack, you've got to know, I just found out,

the U.S. Witness Protection Program lets you choose your own name. Like, when you're starting life over, they're going to go, oh, well, I mean, what's your vibe? Right. What's your vibe check on that one? I like that.

But they have to have, there has to be some editorial control. I mean, I'm sure it's like a vanity license plate where you can't name yourself like Mr. Dick and Balls or whatever. Right, right. But they also are trying to help you not draw attention to yourself. Right.

They recommend the guy who started or played a big role in starting witness protection with Robert Kennedy. He, Gerald Shrum, I want to say Shrum, he wanted to give people some pointers. And so do to say Shrum, he wanted to give people some pointers. And so do to say, usually we ask people to choose something that starts with the same first letter. And then, you know, something you can remember easily. Because if you go out and you're like, hey, I'm Max Powers, astronaut with a secret.

First off, that's not a name. That's like a weird, that's your weird comedy bit. So they will advise you, and I'm sure they have veto power, but for everybody looking to burn down your old life, if the heat got too close, you can choose your own name. I don't know if that's what witness protection is for. I don't think it's like an opt-in program. By the way, you know what else allows you to pick your own name. I don't know if that's what witness protection is for. I don't think it's like a opt-in program. By the way,

you know what else allows you to pick your own name? Reality. If you want to deal with the bureaucratic bullshit of changing your name, or just not. Or just move to a new city and start telling everybody that your name is Max Powers Astronaut with a secret.

They won't like you, but they will probably call you that because they don't know anything else to call you. I just changed my stage name. I've been going by Sarajoon for a while and now I'm Sarasebzi. I think it's annoying when people change their names a lot, but also, who's

going to stop me? Me by not knowing that and calling you Sarajoon when I introduced you. That's gonna stop me by not knowing that and calling you sorry june when i introduced you that's fine because it's a you know i'm not like it's not it's not a dead name you know okay yeah um but i also like i really appreciate all of the trans and non-binary people in my life who have changed their names and made it very cool and normal for me to do so. Yeah, absolutely. Very nice of them. Yeah, that's what some of my friends were telling me. They were like, we're doing this for Sarah.

Yeah. Thanks. We do it all. Yeah. And back to Legally Haunted, who... Did the ghost on the witness stand? Like, is the logic of that based just that people can perceive something as haunted and therefore like affects the value in a real way? Or were they like ghosts are real and legally we recognize them? Well, they got out a Ouija board at the New York State Supreme Court of Appeals.

And they said, oh, shit, these things work. Fuck. And they said, oh, shit, these things work? Fuck! No, they said that they counted it under a material devaluation of the home. Sure. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Not quite as... But how did they, like, what was the evidence for it being material? material. So the homeowner, Helen Ackley, wrote an article in Reader's Digest in the 70s where she talked in very flowery language about how delightful it was that her home was super haunted. And then the people who bought the house went back and said, hey, this is kind of fucked up because now if we have to sell this house we spend a lot of money on, then what are we going to do when people ask us about Ghost?

As the guest hosts, Michael Alder-June and Lauren Vogelbaum put it so beautifully in that episode of Ridiculous History, these folks didn't believe in Ghost, but they believed in the market. So it's truly Reader's Dig digest that is to blame yes i mean number one arch villain of american literature right percent they're just a bridge and shit left and right for decades you know i don't know pushing jokes for the elderly i know is big digest gonna get us is this the one that sinks us i used to read the reader's digest like humor in uniform section or whatever because we had we had them laying around and i was just that there there weren't many like humor magazines laying around and that explains every bad joke jack Jack, everyone knows you read. I did think Reader's Digest was like,

when I was like, you know, nine years old, I was like, Reader's Digest. I thought it was like The New Yorker. I hear the subscription comes with a monocle, you know. It does explain both your humor and your uniform. Thank you. What is something, Ben, that you think is overrated? All right.

Now, not everyone's going to agree. And Jack, you know that I typically, you and Miles both know, I typically don't like saying things are overrated. Everybody's got their own experiences. Big concerts. You know, I mean, Ticketmaster is a pain in the keister anyway. Thank you. Sorry. I'm agreeing. I'm silently agreeing with that. Oh, don't be silent. I'm raising my voice. Don't be silent anymore. Sorry. It's your day.

Silence is violence. So big concerts. Everybody was excited to get back to them after a shutdown in the U.S. occurred. I don't want to one. I'm not going to say which one. But I was like, OK, first off, I can take it, master. And then secondly, there are lines everywhere. Every every imaginable drink is way more expensive than it should be. And then you get it and there's this massive press of people. Every imaginable drink is way more expensive than it should be. And then you get in and there's this massive press of people.

And if you're in a paranoid position like I usually am, you're thinking, where are the exits? What if this goes wrong? These thousands or several hundreds of people are very excited usually to hear maybe three, four songs. And then it's just a bad look you know what i mean uh maybe maybe i'm getting old i don't know it just what do you guys think are big concerts overrated and plus your peepers can't see the damn artists on stage sorry no it's not uh i don't know i i find concerts to be things that i don't look forward to and always like what they do to the like artists work like after i've seen them is usually worth it to me like i like it i really like for whatever reason like just seeing someone perform live makes me really appreciate their work

a lot more and i love that part sure creates some value for me but yeah i mean i'm not i'm also not like i haven't been to a big concert in many years so i don't know if i've ever been to what qualifies as a big concert like in an amphitheater or something you know right but as a person with crowd anxiety i am extremely on your side ben i don't like you know and it started it hasn't always been that way it started you know i used to be able to go to big music festivals outside and not have a problem and then i kept going to them and then i started feeling really crazy and being like i need to leave you know so many people it's just so many people since covid it has not improved my cat is really upset that i'm not paying attention to her so she just knocked something on my desk i was good what's

your cat's name myla shout out myla shout out shout out myla international women's day queen yes yeah no i i can't do that anymore. And I always kind of thought, sometimes they see video, people go see Beyonce or whatever and got those nosebleed seats. And there's big screens that show you the artists. But I'm like,

you might as well just be watching a video of this concert, right? Yeah. That's not for me. I mean, thank you. I was back to the real thing. But the fun part, sorry, just real, the fun part of that

is that you're watching the screen and then taking a video of the screen so you're watching the screen through your screen so there's like four levels of things happening but you are in the same physical space so yeah yeah it reminds me of like one time i went to go see um this rapper and i was trying to i had like a disposable like flash camera. And so I raised it up to try and take a picture of the rapper on stage. And what I ended up with because of the strength, you know, the limited strength of the flash was a picture of a bunch of people raising their cell phones. You can't see what's going on on stage at all. But the only accurate picture of a concert ever taken.

That's how they know you were really there. Yeah. So the thing that I will just say, there's a brief backstory here in Atlanta, Georgia. An up and coming musician named Taylor Swift had a concert. And I don't know if you all have heard of this person, but I see big things for them in the future. And everyone in the places I would go to walking around my usual sketchy reprobate cruise, they were all very excited. And we're all like, oh, Ben, we're going to this Taylor Swift concert. And I would say, well, you're like the 40th person I know who is going now.

And you might want to hurry up. Yeah. I think there's going to be a line, dude. And it just soured me. No disrespect to the artists because touring is one of the primary ways they make their money now that so many big studios or production companies have become poisonous. Yield my time. But when somebody does a residency in Las Vegas, I think that's the only way to truly

see someone because then the crowd is thin enough because everybody is they're doing the same show day after day. They have it down by heart. You're getting to see a robotic version of them. I don't know. This is all to say I really want to see Katy Perry in Las Vegas. I've just come to that conclusion in the last 24 hours. Yeah, I'm going carrot top. But you know what? Let's meet up for dinner. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll hear your underrated and get into some news.

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and we're back and ben bolin what is something you think is underrated my burns and bridges here uh not everybody agrees poly Polyphasic sleep. It's where you sleep instead, like the typical person sleeps somewhere between six to 10 hours a day, I think, globally. I've always hated sleep. I find it presumptuous. And when I was, I can't remember what we talked about this, I was, circumstances found me on the other side of the Pacific recording still on US East Coast time. And so I couldn't sleep in a typical eight-hour

chunk. And I went back to an old sleep experiment I did where polyphasic sleep is you break up and you find whatever your average sleep for 24 hours is and you break it up across those 24 hours. your average sleep for 24 hours is and you break it up across those 24 hours and i dig it man you know every culture that has a siesta is fucking right you know they figured it out i'm on board with siesta 100 yeah i'm on board with siesta as long as i get my 10 hours the night before 10 10 hours you're doing 10 hours this guy. And then just like tack on an extra two, three in the afternoon. That's me. Yeah.

I'm a sleep head. I'm a sleepy head. I love sleeping. To me, it's the best. I like woke up from like, I was very tired. Hadn't gotten my full 13 hours the night before.

I like how it keeps increasing. Yeah. Well, you know, on a good day uh and so you know that night i like just probably fell asleep like within 20 seconds of like laying down in bed and then like i something woke me up like a couple minutes later and you really realize like that you there is like some powerful drugs being dumped into your body by your body like when you fall asleep it is like it's no like just like the shit that was happening in my mind when i just got like rocketed out of sleep

like is is pretty crazy like sleep is is the. But as soon as you get that notification on your phone that there's a new Reader's Digest out, you're like 10 toes down. Thank you. Gotta see. What is the... What's the other humor section? There's humor in uniform

and then something, some other shit. There's some homespun wisdom kind of predecessor. Oh yeah, the axiom section. That's right. Very Marxist publication. It is known, yeah.

All right, let's talk about the opposite of Marxism. The Wall Street Journal had this article that Americans are encountering more problems with companies, products and services than ever before, and a higher proportion of them are actively seeking, quote, revenge for their troubles. A new study has found, which is intense. What do they mean by revenge? I think it's like writing nasty comments, sending letters, reaching out to the company

and demanding... Oh, snitching to the Better Business Bureau? Yes. Just any sort of follow-up action that's taken. Yes. The revenge is definitely what drew my attention. But it's also, I don't know.

So it's up. So some 74% She wants revenge is getting back together but they're called customers want revenge. Yes. 74% of the 1,000 customers

surveyed said they had experienced service problems in the last year which is up 66% from 2020. And, you know, more and more of them are seeking this vengeance you know a kill bill style revenge saga against southwest airlines or you know training in kung fu that is the picture they used was a, you know, some Southwest Airlines consumer facing person at an airport

looking like they were 12 hours away from all of their hair falling out from just having to deal with just horrific toxicity. Well, shit, I wonder why. Right. Exactly. I hope nobody nobody is actually yelling at the people who are working because they're not in charge of the fuckery. You know what I mean? Like every time you have a problem at the counter of some place, yelling at that person is not going to get back to the person who is responsible.

Exactly. I don't know. I think it's very convenient for corporations to do that exactly you know there's like my immediate thought is of course this has to do with all the supply line bullshit we're like i know somebody who got their catalytic converter stolen off their car needs a new catalytic converter and so they're having a problem where all of the mechanics are like we don't have any and we don't know when we're going to get any yeah so we don't know when we can fix your car and so it's not a

customer complaint towards the mechanic the mechanic has nothing to do with it but there's definitely customer dissatisfaction so you know if you were to survey and be like do you have problems being a consumer we'd be like, but it doesn't have to. It's not because the service is bad. It's because the shit's not there. Yes. And the I mean, also, I think the service is bad in a lot of these cases, like with the airlines or, you know, even with car companies like the car companies used to like prior to the

pandemic were like more it was like more of a buyer's market and now it's more of a fuck you this is what we have market like and were there understaffed yes because they're wildly fucking understaffed everybody is so completely understaffed. Like the Southwest Airlines thing is like all of the benefits of this current system fall to like the C-suite and the people who are making decisions like at the higher levels in the companies who are the only thing they have to pay attention to in order to do their job and to feel like they're successful at the job is like how wall street like wall street is the only incentive that they have to care about and then all of the customer facing employees and the customer the consumers themselves are just like fighting a war between each other and just like becoming more and more miserable and like this isn't i think this is invisible like this is the sort of thing that we just kind of it's like a this is water type thing. It's like the weather is getting slowly worse, but we're not noticing it because we're just living in it day to day. But

you know, all of these consumer indices are have gotten like way, way worse since they started tracking them in like the 1970s. They just get worse and worse and worse because everything has gotten less and less and less regulated and the only thing that these companies have to pay any attention to is their stock prices so they cut employees they you know they just do these things that make it impossible for the people at the lowest levels who are dealing with the consumers and make the consumer's experience worse. And, of course, none of this is mentioned in the Wall Street Journal article. What? No way. The only way that it registers to them is they're like, you know, every time an angry consumer contacts a company that company's losing money and that's one way to view it but of course i don't think that even makes sense

just because it's wasting their time so you have to like spend resources on dealing with it and also probably is like bad marketing so i guess but if you deal with it well then the customer will come back and so then are you making money but you have to pay money to deal with it well like that's the damn thing about this market like the if you're going to let the free market run your country you have to acknowledge that this essentially means your country doesn't work like this this system tell me more jack yeah like it well like they're just they feel like that's wasted time and wasted money like spent dealing with angry customers and if we all just agree to treat customers like shit then like they don't really have another option well this also kind of feels like one of those

things where it's like you know that the fallacy that like the the rate of left-handedness went up after left-handedness stopped being categorized as like a medical deficiency and sort of being categorized as just an alternate way of fucking writing yes and so then the rate went up because people weren't being forced to write with their non-dominant hand anymore and this feels like that where it's like you know now that we have the internet and yelp and every company has to have a website and a twitter and an instagram there are so many more ways for angry customers to tell you how angry they are so it's i don't know if they're angrier or if they just have easier access to you to tell you that they're upset because it used to be when you were mad at an airline that you could basically go fuck yourself but now you can tweet at them and

they have to pay attention right but i mean they've been investing in like cute social media like southwest airlines is like oh mondays am i right and then like so they have like somebody who they you know pay a lot of money to like give their corporate brand a fucking like lovable personality and at the same time like satisfaction with southwest airlines couldn't be lower because that's like they don't fucking need to care about the consumer because that is how the system is set up. It's just allowing them to focus on creating shareholder value. Yeah, let's. OK, this is something I want to go back to here. So the American Customer Satisfaction Index, in my experience on a couple of different projects, innocuous names are sort of a flag.

And I want to figure, like, is it crooked? That's my question. Is it like the American Consumer Satisfaction Index brought to you by Raytheon or whatever. You know, like, is this, I mean, it's very easy through any number of proxies and platforms to make something like that that appears to be a nonprofit. And again, the people working there, the people doing that research may actually not know the ultimate arbiters of it you know like what is also i don't trust the wall street journal i'm sorry no i don't either but it's just funny to see how they i think they're taking a real like signal that they're getting that the consumer experience across all these different things is getting worse. And they're just treating it as like a symptom that like corporate CEOs need to pay attention to, like when crunching the numbers on their spreadsheets, as opposed to like a very real,

like broad scale problem that is happening in the country where like, they just like don't have to give a shit about like you know the consumers of their products or the people who work for them at the lower level and they keep firing people because it's like fashionable to do so and so it's just this world that is being run by people who like have absolutely no connection to what our lived experiences are like out in the world interacting with their products unless they to to sarah's point unless they see the tweet unless they see one of those other platforms or like it's probably not them who has tiktok it might be one of their kids and their kid is running up and telling the parent, oh, there's something bad.

You know, like the president of Norfolk Southern lives here in Atlanta. And, you know, before that, yeah, right. Before the heat hit, maybe one of that guy's kids came up and said, oh, my God, dad, that looks like people aren't super happy with everything. And he's like, well, tell me more about this social media, you know, Monty Byrne's hands and whatnot. I mean, it's, I think it's a beautiful point that first off, there's some nomenclature to unpack.

Calling people customers or consumers is a little tricky because it makes them sound like they're not people. Humans. Yeah, right. So it does, though, even if with the problems that you've pointed out here, it does still feel like things are on the rise, but there's a dangerous disconnect in trying to attribute the reasons for that. You made the great point about understaffing. feel like things are on the rise, but there's a dangerous disconnect in trying to attribute the reasons for that. You made the great point about understaffing. Of course, there's a longer line.

I was in Amsterdam a while back and I got to the airport early to get a plane out because I knew there were pending strikes. There were also very few people working at the airport. And when people are in a terrible situation, airports are often a terrible situation in general, they were not thinking of looking at the systemic causes. There are people with a family and they're trying to get their family to the fucking other airport where they've got the layover because nobody can afford a direct flight from places, you know, and they want someone to blame. And so a lot of people on the front lines of any customer service thing, they're having to be the scapegoats for the

people at the top. i i think it's just gross you know like i don't know and then those people are being like forced to work like that understaffing leads to people who are you know being forced to work with the threat of like not having health care or being able to feed their family. And then like like the Wall Street Journal will publish an article being like, why are Americans so unhappy? Is it their phones? Is it because they have the language to describe unhappiness now that they are going to therapy? And it's like, no, motherfucker. You have like a brutal. And it's like, no, motherfucker. Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah, that's a thing. Americans are discovering rage. Right. They know, like, they have the language to address it now. And so they are therefore, like, aware of their unhappiness. And they're like, what is happening here, guys? How big of a stretch can you make? Like, how has it gotten worse since the 70s? And it's because the companies are.

Therapy. No, you're right. Jack, it's mental health And it's because the companies. Therapy. No, you're right, Jack. It's mental health. It's been a scam the whole time. All it does is make people unsatisfied and make women unsatisfied with home life. But that is like a legitimate thesis that is getting spread around out there instead of, no, the overall economic conditions are worse because you have just allowed wall street to run the entire country and that is what happens like the market doesn't functional doesn't functionally work doesn't create a functioning society it creates this

i'm telling you the problem with head houses is the doors are too small, says the fox. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. There's an older excellent speech about that. But this idea is kind of nuts too, because we have to realize that there are plenty of younger generations. If I were a parent right now, I would be a little concerned, which I know sounds very Fox News, but I'm going somewhere good with it. If I was a parent right now, I would be concerned about a kid who one day probably will get a job at some point and has to

deal with this. How understaffed can a place be? How long can a line get? Who can afford these things? If you are working at a call center, in many cases, your job is to get yelled at for eight hours, not counting your mandatory overtime. Is that like when your kid tells you about their dream job? When they're like, oh, I want to be, you know, whatever, the first werewolf astronaut on the moon. And then you say, well, you could also... We've already had many werewolf astronauts on the moon. Yes. You're a Comcast fit, I think.

You should be on the front lines of the Comcast phones or X-Frame or whatever they're calling it. Truly. Yeah. Yeah. I am a parent. It's a nightmare scenario. Com Warner. Yeah. They will all be one company. And they're most because I mean, that's the thing is that like we read about like there are these characters who get turned into the main characters of the news and they're all the CEOs. They're like the Elonos they're like the elon musks and like the you know the people the wall street journal like give names and faces to but the vast majority of the country is the people who are on just like eating shit every day because of the

decisions made by those people and then the only way that that shit eating registers is in like these vague fucking like surveys where they're like consumers indicate that they're like less satisfied and more likely to just, quote, go fucking berserk as a result of the bad. You know, it's just like if things were so hard for the peasants, why do they have so much time to raise so much rabble about this? Exactly. Rouse. Damn it. Whatever. Leave it. And that's the truth is that we don't have enough time to raise the rabble because we are trying.

We're being worked like end to end. And like, that's the thing that I think we saw in 2020 when things like slowed down and everyone like looked around was like fuck all of this and then the economy opened back up and again people don't have enough time to raise rabble as they as they do in at least other countries around the around the globe anyways true nightmare shit from the wall street journal let's take a quick break. We'll be back to talk about Sunny D with vodka. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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seltzer hitting store shelves this weekend which i think is to compete with the purple stuff vodka seltzer real up and comer yeah yeah but so apparently this has been a thing for a while that like just in the streets but like the market research must have captured the sunny d market research there must be like some some sort of toxic chemical like byproduct of making monsanto like off or you know like well you know some sort of extremely lucrative product like creates something because they've just been trying to find ways to offload sunny d like they they just won't stop they're like we got to get rid of this sunny d they made a great lakes worth of Sunny D in the 80s and haven't been and are just like trying to find ways to sell it ever since. But yeah, apparently people have been like there are a lot of people being like, I've been mixing Sunny D and liquor since the late 2000s.

I want to welcome everyone to this fiasco, which I don't know. I want to welcome everyone to this fiasco, which I don't know. I can't think of a worse mixer because like that much sugar is just going to make you so hung over, isn't it? Yeah, that's it. That's it. I know everything has a has a seltzer iteration now. Right. At some point, it seems logical. But what if not ethical, but Sonny D, so there was somebody drinking a screwdriver

at some point, and they said, you know what would really make this fucking pop? Oh, yeah, I see the eyebrows flick up, right? You know what would really, really do this? Guys, we're wasting our time drinking purple drink. Let's get back to the basics you know what i mean let's let's get some vodka in our sunny d and you know let's introduce our kids to daytime alcoholism yes yes love it yeah so good okay it's green light now yeah so sunny d has been a garbage product from the beginning it's excuse me whoa so no it tastes like it tastes like pre-vomit it does it's so

it was a big hit in the night it really tastes like that shit that i don't know if you guys are old enough to remember what like the school lunches like juice boxes that would come or like. But yeah. Yeah. It was like orange drink. Yeah. Right. I think it was like the same thing, which again, we just boiled.

You had orange juice and you boiled it and then left it in like a metal tank for five weeks and put it in little carties for children. And you can't call it. It's to for children and you can't call it it's to the point where you can't legally call it orange juice that's orange drink yeah yeah it's and it's so sweet that it like it's spicy somehow like it makes the back of your throat hurt a little bit like that's incredibly acidic but they also add a lot of sugar so you can't really taste it until it's in the back of your throat and it's like too late sunny d was originally marketed in the 90s as like the healthier option to soft drinks it contained four to five percent juice which by the way the the fall off of juice like i thought juice was the healthiest shit when i was a kid and now like

you if it's because they told us it was healthy they were like it's like eating a piece of fruit it's not yes but so so you d wasn't even they couldn't even be bothered to put more than four percent juice in their in their product and it's 95 just watery corn syrup and a sweetener that is carcinogenic and not allowed to be sold in many countries around. Yeah. Most of Europe, most of the EU is like, all right, well, what the fuck are you doing? Not the UK because it was a wild sensation over there. So they introduced it. It became like skyrocketed to being one of the top 12, 13 grocery store items that people were buying in grocery stores.

The year it was introduced, suddenly, they were just consuming it like it was a fucking staple good, like it was rice or something. People were drinking it so much that one four-year-old girl was drinking

a liter and a half a day and it turned her skin yellow and everyone like oh this is an urban legend and this is just like one of those things where an urban legend like hurts the marketing of a product except it totally did turn a girl's skin yellow due to the drinks beta carotene so everybody reads that story as yeah but if you drank that much carrot juice or you drank that much orange juice you would also have your skin turn yellow ignoring the fact that nobody would drink that much orange or carrot juice because it doesn't have like addictive chemical it wasn't like engineered in a lab to be addictive like two four-year-olds you sick fucks but yeah it's so it is interesting that like one of the least problematic components of the

is what scared people off but yeah i don't know it just feels like we're on a real 90s nostalgia kick yeah in the worst way you know what i mean like the 90s the 1990. Yeah, in the worst way. You know what I mean? Like the 90s, the 1990s and the 1890s, 1790s. Not great. Not great, objectively. So what's next? Because we saw this. We saw the Pisces Ecto Cooler.

Yeah. Right. That had its moment in the Sunny D. Whatever. keep it. And then we see a lot of this stuff coming back. I think gummy-based school treats made a brief comeback. So I'm starting to think we can get ahead of this if we want to be unethical and lean in.

Zeitgeist, what's the crazy 90s stuff that you would bring back but worse, right? What's stuff from your childhood that you wish also had vodka? I think it's also just a good metaphor for where we are as a society run by corporations. So the market is the society and the corporations have seemingly like given up on you know like they were like so that there was an attempt in 2003 to like bring back sunny d but be like it's actually more healthy than it was before and think of this as you know water with vitamins in it and now they're just like i don't know fuck it just pour vodka in there they keep trying to bring it back you're right yeah there must be like okay so you're picturing like a land of lakes size surplus

of sunny d they're a bunch of really powerful corporate types. Like we got to push this sunny D on the kids. What if there's, I I'm picturing like Indiana Jones at the very end of whichever one that was in the franchise where they have the huge warehouse with all the dusty crates, but instead of like secret Nazi artifacts. Yeah. Okay. It was Raiders.

Yeah. So instead of all the secret Nazi artifacts, they've got sunny D and somebody like, one day history will remember and we'll have our revenge. So they were health juice. Then they went vodka. What's next? Like, what's the next iteration for Sunny D? Actually, if you pour it in your windshield wiper fluid, it actually makes a great, it gums up your windshield, but it like makes things look kind of cool, kind of stained glass smeary, which is fun. Yeah. Like Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola was like, are we the healthiest drink? No, but we can clean the shit out of pennies.

Right? Yeah. We can clean a car accident, a fatal car accident off the highway. That's that's our thing. But yeah, I mean, this seems to go along with, you know, the gambling being legal and everything. Just the fuck it, mask off hyper capitalism that we're all living through. So I don't know. Are you guys in? I guess that was the first question.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was never a question, right?

Like, I think all of us are in. Usually the seltzers don't say that they're vodka, though, because that like limits where you can sell. Usually they're like a malt seltzer beverage of some sort. malt seltzer beverage of some sort. But this one, they're just like, yeah, man, we just dumped some vodka in it because that's what we do here at Sunny D headquarters. We're just kind of waiting out the end of the collapse of Western civilization over here. So I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully, you know, Sunny D is

our national drink again. Does it still have the vitamin C? Are you kidding me? It has 100% of the vitamin C you need on a daily basis. So it's healthy. Yeah, it's healthy. We were wrong. We started off on the wrong foot here, you know? Yes. So another way that 90s, 80s nostalgia is rearing its head is one that I'm actually kind of into,

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mutant Mayhem. They dropped the trailer for the new Seth Rogen-produced reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles universe. Michael Bay, I think, had this for a little while and made the most recent teenage mutant ninja turtles movies and this seems more to have seems to have more in common with like spider verse than anything like there's just like a lot of cool animation kind of mixing together the trailer is fun of course it immediately became the subject of fox news opinion pieces where they're like april

o'neill is black and you know racist people were racist people who can accept giant reptiles that do martial arts but not a black tv news reporter well it's just unrealistic yeah it just doesn't reflect the reality of our society in which all news reporters are redheads. That's right last time you saw a white character in anything? Can't remember, can you? No. Wow. Little white children are growing up thinking they'll grow up to be black. Is that what you want?

Is that the future you want to get day drunk on Sunny D with? My child came home crying because somebody told them that they were white. The original April O'Neil, by the way, from the comics was intended to be mixed race. Kevin Eastman based it on his wife at the time, who was named April,

who was mixed race. And then the comic books when they like released the because they were originally like black and white comics and then when they released the color versions they had you know whitewashed it into a

Caucasian woman. Wow. Yeah. Wow. They did. Justice for April. Thank you. But yeah like when the the ninja turtles first came out like the right was like super pissed off because they're just generally mad and so anything that comes across they're they're going to be mad at but they're in particular they were like the secret so they got turned into turtles by toxic waste okay uh environmentalist dogma

nice try so they they thought they were the i'll read a quote from a 1991 syndicated column from stephen chapman the muscle-bound little reptiles i regret to inform you have a political agenda, which is the same color as their shells. Green. Oh, no, we got them. Open and shut case right there. The muscle bound little reptiles also feels like horny to me. It's definitely horny. Yeah, I think there's there's a like anything. There's there's a little bit of a personal backstory, I think. But this was before the takeover of big therapy ruined everybody, right?

So I don't know. I loved Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles because I didn't really think, I think like a lot of people, you don't really think about it. You know, as kids, we all love the, we all love unreasonable stuff phrased in a confident way. Some people don't grow out of that, and they're called conservatives. But if you look at the argument here, it's a really cool, not preachy thing about some guy sort of pulling this mad lib game out he's like okay uh turtles that's an animal all right teenage that's a blah blah oh mutants too you know what

else is fucking cool ninjas do i know much about them no and you can tell by the way that the the turtle you know you can tell by their martial arts style. I'm probably talking too much about the turtles. But but so like, okay, so this is animated. This is all is this like, okay, the main thing people are objecting to is that April O'Neill is portrayed closer to the original version of April that existed in the comics. And we haven't had people come out objecting about the toxic waste thing yet. But I didn't even know that was an issue. Is it like... Well, I guess there were also... Like everything in the early 90s, there was also a...

Like people were just discovering such thing as the environment. And so, you know, the captain planet of it all like i think there were some episodes that had plots that portrayed corporations like disposing of radioactive waste irresponsibly you know shit that actually happens isn't that how they became mutant turtles yeah that's how they became mutant turtles yeah that's how they became mutant turtles and then that's the secret of the use yeah they and then they like fought people who like did irresponsible things with like farm like agricultural dump like it's all

shit that's like ripped from the headlines but they were just like well that's not okay because you're not allowed to criticize corporations also there was a uk panic over martial arts themed like anything that was had the word ninja attached to it in the early 90s in the uk like the media was panicking about and like the daily mail published a story of a four-year-old who nearly bled to death after karate kicking a glass door as he mimicked his television heroes in the ninja turtles cartoon cult quote i have to say if if you have been around children i understand this point of view i understand this point of view of please don't teach children about martial arts without actually teaching them about martial arts. Sure. You know, because like,

if you take a kid to a karate class, they learn a lot of stuff about where you should and shouldn't do karate. But man, kids that watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, they're chopping. They're chopping everything. But they're chopping everything even before they have seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Kids are smart. I guess that's true. They're going to figure out the concept of nunchucks. Yeah, they know how to pick up a big stick and spin it around a lot. Yeah, that's the idea. I think that kid was going to kick some shit anyway, and maybe it got tagged to something. But also, there's no objection here about the weird Asian caricatures like Shredder.

If I recall, Shredder, the main nemesis of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, his big power is that he he's an evil asian guy yeah and i think that just generally there's probably like this is sublimating some like racist parent energy about like having to work alongside and see asian american people or like you know asian people for the first time in the UK and like blaming them for shit that their children are doing. Like, I'm sure there's some of that, that there was like just a,

a wild Ninja moral panic in the early nineties. My dumb ass kid wouldn't have done anything wrong. Right. It know about those ninjas, damn ninjas. Wow. But like, I don't know that i would like i wanted to jump through a glass door since before my brain started making memories like my first memory exists in a

brain that wants to jump through a glass door like just because that's cool as fuck like i they another part of the moral panic was they were like, children are playing in the sewers now because of the Ninja turtles. I played in the sewer. Yeah. I was a kid, but it was because I wanted to imitate, like I wasn't into the Ninja turtles. I was into Penny wise.

I thought Penny, no, I was into the Goonies. I thought like the Goonies were cool and they crawled around in the turtles, but nobody cared about that. Well, the sewers are like a secret passage to the world. If you don't know about toxic waste or if you don't know about dangerous things and hygiene, then that seems it seems kind of dope.

You know, I'm becoming an exploring the sewers apologist. My bad, guys. Yeah, it's probably not good for kids, but I did it. And it was super fun and mysterious down there. Highly recommend. My 11-year-old self highly recommends it. My, you know, 11's probably a little old. I was probably more like 9 or 10.

How did you even get down there? There was like a creek that ran by my house that just like went into a tunnel uh like cement tunnel that went under the street but then it like branched off into a bunch of sewers under the street why was this sewer i think it was like i think it was mainly like storm drains but it was because i lived in dayton ohio and that was what they just i don don't know. They're famous. They're famous for their sewer accessibility. You'd think that there would be like some bars up and there were in many of them. I've been, I checked out many a underground creek and storm drain and the most, like most of them had bars, but the one by my house was just an open open passage into the underground bring back open storm drains yes this is like kids don't play outside anymore yeah sorry sorry are were you

not exploring storm drains and open sewers as a kid no i was not i mean i that's why i was i'm so surprised as to how you even got in there because all of the storm drains that I can remember were like in a creek bed. And the creek bed was like, well, you couldn't access the creek. It was like the L.A. River. It was like lined with concrete. And yeah, I think I remember like in Chinatown, there's a like storm drain thing, but I think it has bars over it. Right. Yeah.

That makes a lot of sense. But is that why you're so good at karate now? It is. I just gained the power of ninjutsu from being in the underground, which is why you're not allowed around glass doors in the studio. That's right. Like, yeah.

Yeah. So, so wise policy. Ben Bolin, pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you,

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I'm going to recommend this book that I just read for my fellow Iranian Americans called The Limits of Whiteness. It is by an author called Neda Makbuleh and it was extremely cathartic for me to read. I highly recommend it to anyone else who is confused about whether or not they are legally classified as white.

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That is going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil.

I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden.

We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.