The Daily Zeitgeist - Take It Up With My Boss The Pope, Shroom Takeover 02.23.23

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

In episode 1428, Jack and guest co-host Caitlin Durante are joined by co-host of Lady to Lady and Britney's Gram, Tess Barker, to discuss… Malcolm X’s Daughter Is Suing The FBI & CIA & NYPD, Starbucks’ New Secret Weapon: Olive Oil, Russell Crowe IS The Pope’s Exorcist, People Are Worrying About a Mushroom Apocalypse--Thanks To The Last of Us and more! Malcolm X’s Daughter Is Suing The FBI & CIA & NYPD Who Killed Malcolm X? Family to File $100M Suit v. FBI, CIA, NYPD & Others to Find the Truth Malcolm X Doc Prompts 'Reexamination' Of Iconic Leader's Assassination Investigation Malcolm X’s family reveals letter they say shows NYPD, FBI assassination involvement 2 Men Convicted of Killing Malcolm X Will Be Exonerated After Decades Starbucks’ New Secret Weapon: Olive Oil Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz calls new olive oil coffee drinks ‘transformational’ Starbucks Is Heading to Milan, and Italians Are Pissed Starbucks puts olive oil in its coffee, hoping to entice Italians Russell Crowe IS The Pope’s Exorcist The Pope's Exorcist - Official Trailer Yoga is the work of the devil, says Vatican's chief exorcist (and he doesn't like Harry Potter much either) People Are Worrying About a Mushroom Apocalypse--Thanks To The Last of Us The Real Zombie Fungus That Inspired HBO’s ‘The Last of Us’ Adaptogenic Mushrooms Trigger a Zombie Apocalypse in 'The Last of Us.' Should We Be Concerned? Can the fungus in the HBO series The Last of Us turn humans into zombies one day? Here's what biologists say LISTEN: No Gimmicks by Suspect OTBSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts hello the internet and welcome to season 276 episode 3 of the daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio that little daily zeitgeist reminded me of uh there's a new downfall i I think that's the name of the movie with the Hitler freakout. There's a new one of those with like... You know those clips that used to go viral where Hitler's freaking out and then

people put different subtitles over it? It's not the real Hitler. Definitely something the internet would make. It was very viral when I first came to the internet so it was a long time ago but there's a new one with elon musk that is a lot of fun anyways this is still a production by heart radio and it's still a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness it's thursday february 23rd 2023 And my name is Jack O'Brien,

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She has the most anagrammable name in the United States. It's Caitlin Durante! I'm so upset that my name does not have an f in it because otherwise i could conceivably something something nft my name would anagram to but i'm missing that f here let's try this again it's caitlin f durantay Let's just pretend your middle name is Francine. Close. It's Marie. But anyway, I do have some new anagrams to share.

Amazing. Courtesy of at Ian McKillen on Twitter. One of the best. I'll share a couple of my faves. Antacid lie runt. Antacid lie runt Runt Antacid Lye Runt Yeah Yeah

And I didn't I didn't check these So I'm just I'm putting my faith That these are correct Okay Sometimes people Will anagram my name

And then there's like Extra letters Yeah This is Ian McKellen And the actors Lie for a living So I don't know

If we can trust this But That's true Proceed Yeah We've also got Tiara Cunt Lined Actors lie for a living. So I don't know if we can trust this. That's true. But proceed. Yeah. We've also got Tiara Cunt lined. Tiara Cunt lined. Lined.

Yeah, like, oh, what is this jacket lined with? Oh, it's Tiara Cunt lined. And then I think my favorite, anal direct unit. Anal direct unit. And they are moving those units on QVC. These anal direct units are flying off the shelves. Amazing. What a name. What a name.

Thank you. You're welcome. Caitlin, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the creators of Britney's Gram, the podcast that, by analyzing Britney Spears' cryptic Instagram, helped spark the massive Free Britney movement when she's not helping to make pop culture history. She also co-hosts the hilarious podcast Lady to Lady. Please welcome back to the show Tess Barker! Hi, guys. Thanks for having me.

Hello. Hi. How are you? I'm well. My middle name is also Marie, Caitlin. Hey, look at that. It's a strong, sturdy middle name. It's strong. It feels like your parents just gave us the free space middle name. Yeah. Exactly.

All right. We need something to fill that field, I guess. For a while there at the hospital, they were like, a marie right or we could just go through marie yeah that's just already on the form and then it's like you can you can erase it and put something else if you want but we default to marie yeah the boy's first name is gonna be john or william and then you just call him whatever the fuck you want but it's either john or william my my name is john and perfect yeah sure they were like but how uh how do we call him something that's either john or william my my name is john and perfect yeah sure they were like but how uh how do we call him something that's not john obviously we had to name him john but how do we figure out something else to call him anyways so lovely to have both of you maries

on the show today tess how are you doing i'm pretty good getting ready for this we got a blizzard warning i guess in la getting ready to snuggle up tonight yeah i guess there's like snow apparently yeah yeah there is a chill in the air i think at higher altitudes it's going to be snowing and the the question is how low they're not expecting it to like be everywhere in la but I don't know. There's a bunch of hills. If you live in the mountains. Yeah. I'll be taking to my blankets later tonight.

I can tell you that much. Oh, for sure. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. It's weird. Weird times. All right, Tess, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Awesome.

First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. couple of the things we're talking about today. Malcolm X's daughter, Ilyasa Shabazz, has filed notices stating her intention to sue the FBI, CIA, and NYPD for conspiring to assassinate her father, which I remember there was like this New York Times article when Muhammad Aziz and Khalil Islam were cleared, like two of the three people who were convicted of assassinating malcolm x they were cleared and there's a new york times article that was like yeah unfortunately they didn't find any evidence of like police or government involvement but then they listed all these details that were like wait a what the fuck so we're gonna talk about that uh starbucks is dropping a new secret weapon on our asses olive oil we're gonna get some olivey coffee goodness

in in the coming years it sounds sounds like it would be like good in the right hands unfortunately i don't believe starbucks is the right hands necessarily Unfortunately, I don't believe Starbucks is the right hands necessarily. So new Starbucks concoction just dropped. New Russell Crowe exorcist trailer just dropped. The Pope's exorcist, which does contain the line, if you have a problem with me, take it up with my boss, the Pope, which I will be quoting frequently in my day-to-day life. I thought it was going to be take it up with my boss the pope uh which i will be quoting frequently in my day-to-day life but i thought it was going to be take it up with my boss god yeah jc no but we answer to the pope

pope jc yeah uh sure yeah middleman really the pope is just uh just a middleman middleman yeah just like always got his head on his or his, oh, God, going between these two assholes. Can I talk to your manager, please? Yeah, exactly. We'll talk about people worrying about a mushroom apocalypse thanks to The Last of Us and what the likelihood is. All of that, plenty more. what the likelihood is, all of that, plenty more. But first, Tess, we do like to ask our guest,

what is something from your search history? The Romans Wine Bar. I was searching for the address to the wine bar. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Romans. No. Oh, my God. Do you like bookstores? Do I like, oh, I would never read a book.

Yeah, okay, then never mind, never mind. Do they have bookstores? Do I like, oh, I would never read a book. Yeah, okay, then never mind. Never mind. Do they have children's books? I'm sorry, I only really read children's books. They have a whole picture book section. Yeah, next to the wine bar. Next to the wine bar. So yeah, you get Cat in the Hat and then you get Lit. So it's a really huge bookstore in Pasadena that is like my favorite store in the whole world.

In addition to books, they have like a really extensive stationery section. They sell Mont Blanc pins. They have really nice greeting cards. Great little gifty things. Yeah, it rocks. And then inside of it, they put like a legit wine bar, which is just like my dream come true.

And I'm going to see a play with a friend tonight. So I was feeling that wine bar because I want to get a glass of wine there. Yeah. That is some culture. Wine in a bookstore and then a play at the theater. I kind of am that bitch. I think that, yeah.

Like I feel like I am kind of a parody of Pasadena lady. That is kind of my life. They've stuck a V on front of romans yeah is how okay got it yeah yeah super producer victor who is from los angeles and also just a fan of all things that start with v chimed in that that helped clarify it because i was having a hell of a time on google over here yeah that's cool is the theater you're going to see the Blue Man Group? Totally. I actually did work for the Blue Man Group in college. Did you really? Yeah. Because at the time it was like the early aughts.

And you guys have to like when Blue Man Group first hit the scene, I was like, they are changing the game and I want to be a part of it. to be a part of it next level i mean it is a piece of avant-garde theater that somehow became like a weird pop culture like throwaway thing but yes yeah if you you first happen upon blue man group you're like whoa what is happening it's so weird blow your mind yeah couldn't handle that on strong acid it might even blue your mind yeah hello blew your mind it's so hard to not think of that tobias funke i just blew myself it really like nothing nothing has so completely defined a thing his attempt to become a bloomin' onion. But when you hear people talk about the process

of trying out to be a bloomin', it's very intense, and people who are in the group are like, I don't think he's bloomin' material. I mean, you have to have so many skills. Yeah. That alone, being a good drummer alone, i don't know how you do that right and then yeah there it's all the show is all face tags that's that's hard is all what hey you know like i call it a face tag like when somebody tells

a joke and like you tag it with a facial expression oh yeah that's right yeah yeah big facial expressions yeah yeah i feel like blooming i was just listening to a podcast on stuff you should know about max head run and like how do you guys remember matt or max headroom do you remember like that he's like a pepsi or a new coke spokesperson like i remember it as like the height of just like trash culture when I was growing up. And that was another thing that like started as this like, you know, punk rock like art thing. And then just like got gobbled up by capitalism and blue men. I mean, they're still doing it as theater, though. It's not like they moved on to just be

starry spokespeople or something. Yeah. And if they were, I don't think we could fault them. They had a good run. Yeah, absolutely. It's been a quarter of a century. They've been blooming. Yeah. Well, I'm glad to hear that is the theater that you're attending. I'm actually going to see Sunday in the Park with George. Oh, okay.

Yes. I've never heard of that. You never heard of Sunday in the park with george oh okay yes i've never heard of that you never heard of sunday in the park with george no i i really named the only play that i'm familiar with you're like blue man group that's for hacks it's also the only piece of theater yeah i know uh yeah no it's a sondheim musical oh fun yeah all right what is something you think is overrated uh radical honesty like okay i don't know that i think i think that we can sometimes like put a lot of value on being like honest for the point of being on for the sake of being honest and like i don't i'm fine with white lies and like i would honestly rather have someone be nice to me i'd rather have you be

nice i don't I don't like when people have a personality like I just tell it like it is and they're just mean yeah I'm not into it I think it's overrated yeah it's a lot it's a lot of energy to be around those yeah yeah for your little experiment I have to like just gird myself for like the most uncomfortable 30 minutes of my life you know like that exactly yeah it's it's it can be pretty selfish right yeah yeah exactly it's like you're that yeah you're kind of pushing that on someone else without necessarily their consent or they're asking for it i love it in small doses though oh me too i i don't like I don't think I could pull it off as a as a lifestyle,

like a 24 hour lifestyle. But having like this kind of came up when we were talking. There's that The Cut article about like new rules of etiquette. And one of them was like, don't tell people who you think they look like. And that's a perfect example that is great advice for you however if you have a lookalike about me i want to know what it is desperately even though i'm not gonna like it i'm i like that is an amazing little glimpse into like how people see you when they first see you that like you'll never be able to get other than that way and it's like uncomfortable and I don't want to know it all the time but I also have no idea like how people perceive me so like somebody who's practicing radical honesty it's good to like get get next

to them for 15 minutes if you're in the mood you know what is is there one that sticks out in your mind of like a look like that you got that that made you happy john mayer made me happy that's a good one and then walton goggins made me unhappy i got walton goggins right sometimes it's a big ego boost and other times it's crushing i'm like yeah oh yeah i don't want to be i changed my whole life when someone told me that i was a Walton Goggins guy it's irreparable damage and I think it's that thing of like you remember the bad comments so much more than the good

ones it's like one radically honest comparison to somebody you don't want to look like and yeah you're on a whole new life trajectory Walton Goggins was not is not a bad like looking guy or anything it was just like the it was a character that this person was like saying oh my god you so remind me of them and like you look exactly like them and it just wasn't wasn't my favorite so well i don't see it if that

oh my god thank you so much okay i need to. I bring this up every episode now just so people can, from like vice principals and I think justify it. Oh, okay. This guy. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I see. Good name though.

Great name. Walter Goggins, amazing name. Yeah. Like such a Civil War soldier who like died on the battlefield. Like just incredible. Was born to die on the battlefield like a civil war battle what is something you think is underrated tess um i don't know if it's under rate i mean i'll use it for this category but i've been watching this show on netflix called

contra las cuerdas and it's a really good show um it's spanish language show about this single mom who just got out of jail and in order to like, like, impress her daughter, she gets into Lucha Baboom. Oh, okay. It's just a really well-written, fun show on Netflix. Lucha Baboom is, like, the... Is the English title. Lucha Baboom is, like, the indie wrestling thing? Yeah, or she becomes a luchador.

I don't know if it's called Lucha Baboom in English, actually. Okay. It's just a really well written fun premise for a show it's got like a fun mother-daughter story just a really fun kind of beckon uh bechdel test as fuck awesome female driven show sign me up there you go and caitlin you recently saw the ant-man movie how did that do on the are did that do? I don't want you to step on anything that's coming up on the back of your head. Well, no, I don't envision Jamie and I covering Ant-Man 3 anytime soon. But, I mean, there are

some women in the movie. This seems to be like the reviews are lower than average for your standard mcu movie when i saw the trailer i was like they seem to be leaning into the thing i don't like about marvel which is like all the portals just like portals on portals on portals so many lasers okay here well i know we were just talking about radical honesty which i feel fine doing to a movie that doesn't have feelings although people made that movie and they do have feelings that said ant-man 3 is a turd it's a big old turd i'm not saying anything new here like every consensus yeah marvel is in its flop era right now because the last several i've seen have not been great thor love and thunder one of the worst movies

i've seen in a while really i said it yeah i didn't i was just out after the sam raimi dr strange one i was like this... That was also not great, but compared to... I love multiverse stuff. They were like, this is going to be a multiverse one. This is our everything everywhere all at once. And it was bad. It was bad. I'm hoping...

Well, Spider-Verse is not MCU, so I'm hoping that the new Spider-Verse movie is just as good as the first one which is perfect perfect film no notes so good you liked that movie so much that you got me to show it to my like two-year-old i think at the time like so young and like i now know like he's fine yeah it's fine i think but like it But it was definitely too early. And my five-year-old who's obsessed with Spider-Man,

I still haven't shown it to him because it just felt like it was a lot. But do you have a grace period with kids? Because you can cuss around babies for a little bit, right? Yeah, I think until their 13th birthday. Okay, cool. Yeah, just let loose. And then between 15 and six. Yeah.

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There was a Netflix documentary that pointed to the fact that two of the people who were convicted of assassinating her father were not there that day. And so that they were eventually like the, the innocence project and a local DA, I believe reopened the case and, you know, Muhammad Aziz and Khalil Islam were cleared because there were just so much

evidence that they, again, were not there that day. Weren't present for murder. been compelled by his supervisors at the new york police department to coax two members of malcolm x's security team into committing crimes meaning they were in jail during the event allowing law enforcement agencies to murder malcolm x which like does sound like how police forces seem to operate sounds very familiar yeah like falsely accused and in prison somebody so that, you know, like, again, the details aren't all there about like police officers walked up and like pulled the trigger. But it seemed like they were told this was going to happen. They didn't stop it. They arrested, according to this letter from an NYPD officer who was like, yeah, just wait till I'm dead and then you can release this.

But they arrested parts of his security team that would make it difficult for him to be murdered. And then when it happened, this officer threatened to resign. But his supervisors told him that they would charge him with false crimes if he did, which, again, seems to be their M.O. in this case. So, yeah, it's a mess. I remember when the article came out about two of the three assassins being cleared due to all of this evidence. The New York Times article just like really seeming weird to me because like so it contains the sentence, nor did it uncover a police or government conspiracy to murder him. But then later it says, Mr. Vance's reinvestigation conducted with the Innocence Project and the office of David Shanese, a civil rights lawyer, contended with serious obstacles. Many of those involved in

the murder case, including witnesses, investigators and trial lawyers, as well as other potential suspects, died long ago. Key documents were lost to time and physical evidence such as murder weapons were no longer available to be tested, which, again, like just that's super convenient for the police to lose all that shit. Yeah. They are the custodians of that evidence. Right, like, lost to time. Like, who, will somebody in time lost them?

It's just lost to time. We're going to go ahead and blame time on this one, Tess. Well, you know, as what happens in Marvel movies, a portal opens up, and then the evidence gets lost in the space-time continuum. And, yeah, I know it happens. And then, so, on top of all this shit, there's this part of the New York Times article that's, like, buried down, you know, five, six paragraphs down. Prosecutors' notes indicate they failed to disclose the presence of undercover officers in the ballroom at the time of the shooting. And police department files revealed that a reporter for the New York Daily News received a call the morning of the shooting

indicating Malcolm X would be murdered. So there was somebody who was like, hey, this is happening. They had undercover officers there in like in the ballroom and managed to like convict two people who weren't even there somehow and like didn't disclose that they were present for it like i don't know a lot about undercover officerism works but you're an undercover officer you're in a ballroom somebody dies don't you then like out yourself as a police and start investigating the situation right away right if you're surprised unless you're the murderer right yeah it's very suspicious i'm glad that she's bringing this case and yeah i don't know we'll see where it leads probably not in the new york times at least not until there's like irrefutable reporting but so that's i think i don't know hopeful news

that people will continue to like get to the bottom of this shit may justice be served. Yeah. In a, well, speaking of served, Starbucks has a new secret weapon and it's olive oil. That was a serve, honestly. Talking about justice being served in the assassination of Malcolm X and then turning it over to Starbucks. Yeah, that's great. It was,

it was a transition as smooth as olive oil. As olive oil blended into your coffee, which is apparently a thing that Howard Schultz saw some Italian people doing in Italy and was like, that, we're going to do that. And it's my idea, essentially. And it's my idea, essentially. Supposedly, the olive oil creates a velvety, smooth, rich texture with the buttery, round flavors imparted by the olive oil, perfectly pairing with the soft, chocolatey notes of the coffee. I don't know which coffee they're talking about there because I've not tasted many soft, chocolatey notes in Starbucks coffee. Rarely soft. Hard cigarette butt would be my favorite. Yeah, hard burnt ass cigarette butt.

Maybe like if you, have you ever accidentally eaten like just the darkest unsweetened chocolate? That like you can't, like your mouth just revolts and like just starts spitting it out like that. I can see that maybe a little bit, but I don't think of them as soft chocolatey notes by any stretch. Maybe they're talking about the frappuccino? Yeah, yeah. The mocha. They're soft and chocolatey when you put just

a shitload of chocolate ice cream in. Yeah. Five pumps of chocolate syrup. Soft. Yes. So Howard Schultz, visionary, in his third term as the CEO of Starbucks. This is the thing that these CEOs who luck into having great success and then leave and people start treating them like human beings again. treating them like human beings again.

And then they're like, actually, the person who I picked to succeed me is a maniac and I'm going to come in and take that job back over. So he's in his third spell as the CEO. But we need him because, as he said, this is a transformational moment for the company, which they will bring together an alchemy of nature's finest ingredients.

I mean, that's poetry. An alchemy of nature's finest ingredients. I mean, that's poetry. An alchemy of nature's finest ingredients. Here's what I will say. And let me preface this by saying that I don't know anything about cooking or making food or anything that you can consume. I'm famously very, very bad at it. But I am really good at eating food and enjoying... One of the best. Thank you. And enjoying tasty food. I don't see how the flavor of olive oil could... I just... I feel like it wouldn't

complement the soft chocolatey notes of coffee. Right. Like of a good coffee. And maybe I'm very wrong about this. I'm here for it. I'm going to be honest. I'm here for it. If I see olive oil in a dessert at a restaurant, I'm always going to choose that dessert.

I actually love... I had a gelato in Italy that was like lemon, olive oil, basil, and I still think about it. Oh, my God. Your bougie bona fides right now are just like spiking. I'm telling you. I'm sorry. This is who I am.

I love an olive oil dessert. I love an olive oil dessert. I consumed one in Italy. FYI. I didn't even know this was an option for like for drinks for for desserts yeah yeah i mean i think because it's not like salty but it kind of gives you that like savory note that you want with like a little something sweet and and when that bulletproof coffee trend happened i love trendy stuff so i tried that for a while and And like the butter and coffee combo, I kind of dug.

Like a little bit of fat in your coffee is kind of nice. Yeah. Milk shouldn't be the only fat that we're allowed to consume in our coffee. Yeah. We should be putting ice cream also. Thank you. Finally someone's at it. Yeah. I actually have done

that where I didn't have any because I'm a big old baby. Also, I think everyone's just learning that i am actually really bad at eating food and i have horrible taste but i love the like whatever brand like coffee mate like liquid non-dairy coffee creamers that are just like so sweet and it's like not even real it's like chemicals made in a lab but i that's how i have to drink my like chemicals made in a lab but i that's how i have to drink my coffee adding so much of that but i didn't have any of that one time and but i did have vanilla ice cream so i just added a bunch of vanilla ice cream to my coffee how was it and it was brave of me thank you so that is brave of you that is hero so many

temperatures in one cup i was yeah was it good yeah was it good no it didn't turn out well because it's not as good as the the coffee mate is just like molecularly structured to the second like a drop like enters the coffee it immediately mixes at the perfect rate you know exactly beautiful it's those that and climate change like we really have to trust the scientists yeah i don't know i like i have lost my nerve on coffee mate i was drinking so much coffee mate for a long time and then i was just like i have this is probably bad for me in some way. My insides are so fucked up right now. Oh my God. I can't stop.

My teeth started falling out. Yeah. But it is good. Well, I like my coffee black, which is why I'm like even entertaining the notion of the olive oil thing because that's about as like sweet as I'll take it. But my dad, Caitlinlin used to mix he used to scramble eggs your dad's name is caitlin yeah my dad caitlin he used to scramble that

coffee mate stuff in with our eggs which sounds really fucking gross but it's actually because you know how it tastes good when you get a little bit of maple syrup on your eggs yeah yeah okay it's like that oh my goodness yeah i wouldn't be surprised if it like turned them into like a cloudy like cotton candy style like you know just because there's like so much scientific engineering in that that like you just like heat that and suddenly it turns into the alien spaceship from nope it's just like this beautiful like oh yeah wow that's i won't try that but i i admire your dad caitlin's bravery yeah so shout out to my dad caitlin it's tough to tell if it's your dad's name is caitlin or if you have multiple caitlins in your life and there's the dad caitlin

and then the other caitlins just to based on how you were saying it. Can it be both? Yeah. I mean, this is based on a, an actual Italian trend that, that Howard Schultz saw. And so, so like it's probably,

it probably can be good. You know, it's just, this doesn't seem to be the coffee. No, I think you're right though. Like you're right. Starbucks are not the right hands for this.

Like I would trust it at Intelligentsia. Even though I do think Intelligentsia is very overrated, I would trust olive oil coffee more in their hands. Sure. Intelligentsia seems about right for you. Just based on what we've heard. I said it's overrated! I admire the consistency and specificity of your tastes. When is Coffee Bean going to step up their game and start putting, I don't know.

No one ever talks about Coffee Bean is what I'm saying. Everyone's like, oh, Starbucks this, Starbucks that. Yeah. It's so true. And I feel like Coffee Bean, because I think they peaked in 2006. Like every celebrity was always getting Coffee Bean in 2006. Yeah. It's so true. And I feel like coffee bean, because I think they peaked in 2006. Like every celebrity was always getting coffee bean in 2006. Yeah. And then they fell into

a portal. That's what happened. God bless Dunkin Donuts. Yeah. Ben Affleck. I'm not living for that, by the way. I'm so here for all of that partnership. Yeah. It's cute it is it's i i kind of fell off ben affleck for a minute until he got back together with jlo and duncan

oh man he should not fight his roots yeah but they uh just with regards to the, you know, exchange of ideas between Starbucks and Italy as a nation, like Starbucks takes their ideas. Italy does not want to take any of Starbucks. They flopped big time over there. So, anyways. I can't imagine. Yeah. Why would you ever go to starbucks in italy right it's truly like you just want to see all of the american tourists in italy you go you go to the starbucks

but yeah it's like shocking to see a starbucks in another country i feel like. All right. Russell Crowe is the Pope's exorcist. So prepare. It's about time. Thank you. Thank goodness. So the trail dropped. I recommend, I mean, I actually don't. Like you could totally miss this. I will tell you the important thing is that he does say,

if you have a problem with me, take it up with my boss, the Pope. say if you have a problem with me take it up with my boss the pope but there's also so like our writer jm kind of did a dive into this because this is based on a real character as like all the exorcism movies are like this based on actual events in the spookiest year 1987 1987. And this person is like a real like he created the NBA of exorcists like and you know. They've got like a team? Yeah.

It's like the official league of let me see if I can find the name of it. But like he's like you gotta be a certified exorcist. The league of extraordinary exorcists the league of extraordinary exorcists yes exactly but he so in addition to being like pope john paul ii's number one bottom bitch exorcist he is also like a like a right-wing political commentator or like cultural commentary commentator the movie portrays him as like a superhero battling demon children but in real life he has blasted the evils

of nightclubs harry potter and yoga which he claims yoga i'll read some direct quotes for you from, from this man practicing yoga brings evil as does reading Harry Potter. They may both seem innocuous, but they both deal with magic and that leads to evil. Yoga is the devil's work. You think you were doing it for stretching your mind and body, but it leads to Hinduism. All these Oriental religions are based on the false belief of reincarnation.

Oh, my goodness. In Harry Potter, the devil is at work in a cunning and crafty way. He is using his extraordinary powers of magic and evil. And then this is my favorite. My advice to young people would be to watch out for nightclubs because the path is always the same. Alcohol, sex, drugs, and satanic sects so sex and sex set yeah sex sects the path is that path is always the same it's i feel shorthanded because i've been to a nightclub i've done i've done three of those things and never got invited to the satanic sect. Seriously, I've done all of these things.

Yeah. And then, yeah, nothing. Nothing. Can I just say, so his name is Father Gabriel Amorth, which sounds to me, you know, in like exorcism movies where someone's being possessed and then like the demon or the devil is speaking through the body that they're possessing and they're like, Jessica isn't here anymore.

This is Amorth. Yeah, it sounds like his name sounds like a demon's name. There is no Jessica, only Amorth. a demon's name. There is no Jessica, only Amorth. If you would like to leave a message for Jessica, though, just let me know. I can tell her. Amorth.

Yeah, Amorth is definitely the name of one of the dementors from Harry Potter. I think that's why his feelings were hurt by Harry Potter. It just feels like the most evil name possible. Exactly.

Maybe that's the M. Night Shyamalan twist at the end, though, is that they need an exorcist for the exorcist. Tess, did you see the trailer? Because that seems to be what's at stake. They're like, if the Pope's exorcist gets possessed by the devil, Western civilization falls falls type shit. Wow. That's beautiful.

Yeah. I was thinking, what if he's possessed and that's why he's so good at exorcisms because he's like a demon talking to other demons. Yeah. He's like, I need you all to leave the room it's like perform this exorcism just like that like angel or blade like they're like vampires are part vampires and that's why they're so good at like their job they they know the mo takes one of the people exactly yeah hey cop and criminal are one in the same of the people. Exactly.

Yeah. Hey. Cop and criminal are one in the same. It's, yeah. It all goes back to cops are evil. That's right.

ACAB includes the Pope's exorcist. Exactly. I also love how, like, there's just rampant, not love,

but like, there's rampant pedophilia going on in this organization for decades and they think Harry Potter? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, and then also, like, of course, it's like, yeah, then there's progressive people that have issues with Harry Potter. It reminds me of that thing of like, yeah, we all agree the government's messed up. Which way are you talking about? Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they have to make up satanic sects

in order to distract from what they're doing. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Well, the Pope's Exorcist is coming to a theater near you. Will probably be seen by way too many people. I'm going to go. I'm going to go.

I'm going to go to AMC. Are we going to have to be anti-horror movie podcast now? I don't want to, but i think jamie one time was on here and was talking about the conjuring movies being based on like just the worst humans yes they're like really yeah creepy yeah she knows more about it than i do but yeah it's just it's always bad but i mean, it makes sense, though. Have you guys met anyone that you would think dabbles in exorcism

or conjuring? Yeah, my best friend. Yeah? I mean, dabbles? We all dabble a little bit. That's true. We're all kind of part-time exorcists. Yeah.

I've dabbled in the satanic sex i haven't but like to throw yourself into it as the career yeah exactly i dabble in satanic sex s-e-x it's all in together you know it's just a big stew of of good times i'm just saying that if i make that my full-time thing do i stop loving it you know it's like once it becomes your job let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about mushrooms MTV's official challenge podcast is back for another season. That's right. The challenge is about to embark on its monumental 40th season, y'all. And we are coming along for the ride.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And mushrooms are having a bit of a moan, I would say, thanks to The Last of Us. Thanks to psilocybin being kind of slightly less criminalized than it used to be. But mainly, I'd say because of The Last of Us. There's also a Mario movie coming, although it doesn't seem like it leans that hard into the mushroom of it all missed opportunity i know exactly are you guys watching the last of us

yep not yet i'm two episodes in and then it the hbo max app broke on me because i tried really i dared to try and download the other episodes because I had to be on a flight. And they were like, well, that failed. And now your app is broken and you can never watch those episodes ever again. Oh, my God. I hear episode three is good. I enjoyed the first two quite a bit. And particularly the thing that seems to have everybody interested, at least when it comes to like real world implications.

And that is like the opening of the show has this like scientific debate happening on a TV show back when TV was like boring as fuck. And they just have like three scientists on being like, Hmm, like plagues are bad, huh? And the scientists are like, yeah, plagues are bad. And then the third one's like, actually, I think a fungal pandemic would be the worst one. And it's kind of convincing. It's pretty, it's pretty fun. And then like the whole thing is based on that scenario coming true in 2003. And so I think because they based it on that, and then there's the actual footage from planet Earth of an ant being taken over by this fungus that turns you into an automaton, people are understandably a little bit freaked out but the the video game specifically took its inspiration from that bbc clip and hung over high school teacher emergency kit planet earth because there there's a segment in which the fungus like takes over not just the mind of an ant, but like it's like puppeting its body to get to the top of a tree to then like spit the itself all over like the other ant colony.

And that's just like how the. Talk about possession. Yeah. Thank you. Those ants need exorcisms. Yes. I don't know why I said that so weird. They need an exorcist.

Yes. I don't know why I said that so weird. They need an exorcist. pandemic would be that our bodies are too warm for the fungus and they're like but if the planet gets warmer then it might learn how to how to live in warmer climates and then and then we're all fucked so how much of this is grounded in truth or is all this being extrapolated from the zombie ant i think it's all being extrapolated from the zombie ant and scientists are like that's kind of a big leap from insects to humans like our bodies are pretty difficult to take over there unless exactly you've absolutely messed your body up with drinking too much coffee mate oh yeah yeah so i'm a prime candidate to have my body just completely possessed by fungus yeah one of the first like viral articles we did it cracked with that like a lot of people liked i think it was actually jason partridge wrote the whole thing was like five

plausible zombie apocalypse scenarios. And one of them was about like a fung, I think it's a fungus, but it's like something that takes over the mind of mice and like makes them like the smell of cat urine so that the mice then like start going towards cats which because the i don't know if it's that what the parasite likes to reproduce in cat intestines so it takes over the mind of the mouse or the rat to like and mice and rats are not that far from us. So I'm just saying. I mean.

I have some notes. The last of us. So wait. This parasite tricks the mice into liking the smell of cat urine so that it goes to be near cats. And then the cats eat the mice so that the parasite reproduces in the intestines. It's a plot that's like kind of convoluted for a mood like if it was in the mood a movie you'd be like wait what like that's two that's like three steps too complicated why wouldn't why wouldn't it just learn to like get into cat food

but no there it's it needs a middleman it all comes back to the middleman that's the thing you gotta get the middleman cat food doesn't thing. You got to get the middleman. Cat food doesn't have eyes and legs. So that mice wants to just jump down the cat's throat and is doing all the work for it. Yeah. But the degree to which it's convoluted does give me respect for and fear of fungus. Oh, absolutely. You don't look at fungus as something that can think multiple steps ahead. My dog can't think multiple steps ahead.

Yes. Yeah. This fungus is playing chess. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Wow. I don't think that toxoplasmosis gondii is the thing I'm talking about. It's an infectious disease, but I don't think it is a fungus because it can already, like, get in the bodies of the bodies of warm-blooded mammals.

Isn't that why pregnant people have to stay away from cat litter? Yes. So it also has some noticeable effects on humans, but it's not statistically significant. But there has been speculation that it like changes human behavior slightly so we might all be just doing the bidding of this one parasite like i think people who have it high concentrations of it in their bloodstream tend to have more cats which of course is, that's a correlation causation thing. Who knows which one came first?

But that would be absolutely wild if it was brainwashing us into being like, cats, more cats love me. They are my children. I mean, if so, I'm already there. So it worked. It worked on me. It leads to happiness. that's the thing yeah it's a parasite that leads to snuggling all right yeah yeah

so i don't know they're like i feel like there are other parasites we should be more worried about because the other thing is that like even the fungal parasite that like has the ant video clip that everybody's like seen. And does the show use that or did I just like look it up on YouTube? I think you just I don't remember seeing it on the show. Yeah. That's what Ant-Man should have been about. Thank you. Yes.

Yes. Ant-Man 3 Quantumania more like Ant-Man 3 uh gets devoured by a fungus ant brain mania exactly opens his mouth and ants are just like swarming out but yeah like the ants don't turn into like rage monsters it like the humans in the last of us they're just like climb to a high tree branch to die alone and spread their spores everywhere. So there's like probably less entertaining ways to that a fungal thing

would probably get us. And like it does like fungal infections happen like kill millions of people every year. So it's not like we're immune to it. It's just probably not going to like turn into a thing where people are running around biting one another because that's also just like maybe not as effective i do think like after seeing how humanity responded to the covid epidemic

pandemic uh we're fucked like i think we're totally but like no matter what it is we're completely screwed yeah the thing i mean the show the the episodes i've seen of it so far seem like it's just a metaphor for like climate disaster like everybody like turns on each other and like there's a shortage of supplies and people become murderous and you know like the main characters that we see die like at least one of them is like killed by the police just for being like in the wrong place at the wrong time you know so like i i do feel like all these things are dealing with our impending like the part of our brain that is allowed to acknowledge that like things are going in a really dark direction that is going to potentially cause the civilization as we know it to dissolve i think there's i think we've always got a chance you

know i think there's i think there's a chance hopefully this new generation, which they must love it when we say, yeah, but they got it. Well, they said that about us, and you're welcome, world. They said that about us, but then they didn't let anyone in Gen Z ever have any power. They're just like,

nah, we're going to hang on to this for a little while, actually. Basically, until you can peel the presidency out of our cold, dead hands, we will be president. Thank you. So one of the points that the scientist makes in that first scene is like a lot of our most like mind altering substances start with fungus like ergot,ilocybin even lsd i i didn't realize this but lsd like comes from a fungus like in its earliest form which is just i think this has to take over the top spot of like show that you should not start watching after you just took a psychedelic oh yeah it'd be like really hard to take in it'd be a tough one tough one to to get past yeah yeah yeah i think even

worse than walking dead really because there's no fungal element in walking dead yeah yeah yeah they're not like the mushrooms are taking over your mind and telling you to do their bidding. It's also like, I guess fungi are closer to animals than plants. Really? Oh. That is upsetting.

Also, we inhale fungal spores with every breath we take. And that also sounds like poetry. Yeah, exactly. Huh. Okay. breath we take so and that also sounds like poetry yeah exactly huh okay well i guess i'll stop breathing yeah no more coffee no more breathing yeah but anyways with mario movie coming along last of us taking over the zeitgeist psilocybin on the rise i just mushrooms are having a moan and we should all bow down to our new overlords yeah but the show stays good test you you're yeah i'm only on episode yeah it's been consistently amazing throughout episode three like i'm sure you already know prepare yourself for like an emotional hilarious right i heard it's so funny you're gonna yeah it's a romp in the park.

Yeah. Yeah. Pick me up. Superdude Rebecca is asking if we think that's why mushrooms are often used as meat substitutes in cooking. I think that's probably right.

And like, I've had that thought before, like when eating mushrooms, that like this feels like very savory and meaty in some ways. Because it kind of is. It's tricking our brains. Yeah.

I'm meat. Can't you tell? Yeah. That's why I'm into it. I feel like I'm devouring a soul. And that's what consumption is all about for me. You know. Well, Tess, such a pleasure having you on the show.

So much fun. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you and follow you? At Testify Barker is my handle and everything. So it's. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you and follow you? At Testify Barker is my handle and everything. So it's Testify with two S's. My website is testbarker.com. You can listen to my podcast,

Lady to Lady. Everyone stays wherever you get your podcasts. Amazing. How's that? So good. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

Yeah, I chose, this is not a tweet, but the LA la public libraries are releasing special edition p22 library cards that i saw today on twitter i just thought i would share because i think that's really cool they have a you know for our non-la listeners p22 is the mountain lion that lived in griffith park that died recently and so they're they're releasing library cards that have his picture on them. Amazing.

I live in LA and I needed that reminder of what P 22. Yeah. RIP. Yeah. RIP 22. Yeah. Caitlin, pleasure having you these past couple of days on the show. Where can people find you?

And is there a work of media you've been enjoying? There sure is i've been enjoying the re-release of titanic in movie theaters have you gone oh yeah yeah i made it i made it an event i was like treat this as though it's my wedding day i want all my friends to come and bring me gifts if you want. I said no gifts. I did not say that. You can give me gifts.

I said gifts, motherfucker. Please. It was great. I loved it. I might go again before it leaves theaters. Then you can follow me on social media at Caitlin Durante. And you can listen to my podcast that I co-host with Jamie Loftus called The Bechtelcast. And we discuss movies through an intersectional feminist lens.

There you go. Let's see. A tweet I've been enjoying. It's a good piece of history. Nick Hofton, 40% German. Congratulations. At 40% German tweeted, in 1997, Walmart tried to enter the German market and became a case study and failure. My favorite story from this period was that staff were trained to be friendly to customers, which freaked out some shoppers but made others think staff were hitting on them i just i love when like stories of like when russia opened up to you know american

consumerism and they were like what do you mean we're supposed to smile at people and just like just no understanding of like this unnatural state of existence where you just like and then you pretend to be happy all the time just just pretend just force it in there just cram that smile down their throats and that's the other end of the spectrum of radical honesty yeah right niceness yeah yeah i don't like't like that either. You gotta be in the middle. Radical nothing. Radical friendliness. Yeah.

Hi. Oh my God. How are you? Yeah. And that just completely destabilizes any like gravitational center of like your entire psychic makeup as a civilization. But it's good. It's good because it's good for selling hoses or

whatever. Well, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy super producer justin what song do you think people might enjoy on this february 23rd uh this track sounds like what would happen if a uk grime artist got a hold of an instrumental that was supposed to go to like an underground bay area hip-hop group from two decades ago this track is called no gimmicks by suspect otb it's one of my sister's favorite songs like as soon as I played it for her it's a party starter that's meant to be banged out of the window of your car like while you're rolling

up the street it's amazing so you can find this song in the footnotes that's no gimmicks by suspect otb no gimmicks is a great great name for like a 90s rap song i feel like yeah or like a like a 90s wrestler to walk out to you know yeah yeah yeah it has those vibes for sure also suspect otb i don't know if that's a reference to off-track betting but that just like a suspect like betting establishment if you've ever been in otb there uh there are many that are suspects so to be a specifically suspect otb is uh shading man yeah it works on many levels it does all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radioRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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