The Daily Zeitgeist - Taylor Swift > Organized Labor! Day One Dictator 12.07.23

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

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This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, December 7th, 2023. 12-7-2-3. What could that be? Oh, that's right. It's Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day. A day that will live in infamil. Also, International Civil Aviation Day.

National Cotton Candy Day. National Slime Day. National Illinois Day. Shout out, Justin. And my family, the Grves in Illinois, and also our guest today. Yes. And our guest.

Making that Illinois, getting Illinois-y in here. Yeah, and I think is today the first night of Hanukkah too? Let me just check because you know everybody is on their own calendar. Where the fuck is it? See, this is how... Hold on.

I'm going to find it. I'm going to find it. Calendar's anti... Yeah. The Google search is anti-Semitic. No. Yeah. It's taking this long?

It was taking this long. Anyway, no. And also the first night of Hanukkah. So we got all that happening. Wow. One day. Happy Hanukkah, everyone. Fantastic.

Amazing. What was the other thing? Pearl Harbor? Illinois? Oh, yeah. Illinois. Illinois. Illinois. That's the one thing? Pearl Harbor? Illinois? Oh, yeah. Illinois-y? Illinois. Illinois.

That's the one. Yeah. All right. Well, my name is... Wait, did you have something to say? Or just kind of like, wait, what was the other one? I didn't. For some reason, I was searching what day Easter is this year because...

Wait, what? Don't even ask, man. This is just like dad shit. I was taught... My kids were asking what day Easter was this year, and it seemed especially early. It's like March 31st this year, which seems too early to me.

Anyways! Jack was hoping he could do his Hanukkah party and then just knock out Easter with the same party. Yeah, knock out Easter. Put up all up decorations. Yeah. Well, because those roaming holidays where the date is not the same every year can really throw you for a loop sometimes. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a.

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I think that's Tolkien. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, he had a way with fake names. I think that was, I feel, anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, Zeitgang's Tolkien. Is it? Yeah, he had a way with fake names. Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, Zeitgang. That hit my Tolkien brain real quick. Tolkien-adjacent. Yeah, you're Tolkien.

If it's not. We are thrilled to be joined by one of the best podcast hosts doing it anywhere, my old friend from the crack days, a Jeopardy champion, the host of the wonderful podcast, Secretly Incredibly Fascinating, it's Alex Schmick! Thanks so much for having me. There's an Illinois day. I had no idea. We had several weird holidays in Illinois, but I didn't know there was one for the state.

Wait, what other weird holidays are there? Y'all have weird holidays? Maybe I shouldn't call it weird, but there's one called Kazimierz Pulaski Day that is a sort of Polish-American holiday specific to the Chicago area because there was huge immigration from Poland. But it's a Revolutionary War hero. And that would just be a day off from school sometimes. Sometimes you would get a day in March off and it's Kazimierz Pulaski Day. Oh, shoot. Okay.

I love a state-specific day off. That's in Massachusetts. They have Patriots Day, I believe. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's the day of the marathon. So that's, yeah, like a little local holiday.

I don't think we have one in California. California? Yeah. No, I don't think so. No. You just get to live in California. California? Yeah. No, I don't think so. No. You just get to live in California. Exactly. California is just confidently really cool all the time.

And then other states are like, have you heard of Casimir Pulaski? That's pretty neat. And then here I am in California. I'm like, go on about Casimir Pulaski. Yeah. I know none of his exploits. We were talking about days off, like unofficial days off before we started recording but like when we would get to when our parents would like approve like let us take a day off

school they're truly nothing better oh yeah because it feels like you're like a hostage negotiator and you've like pulled off the greatest deal like especially like in my house never i tried to fake illness my mom was onto my shit I only did it like twice successfully in my whole life. It's when I put hot water from the kettle in my mouth and then put the fucking thermometer in. So it looked like I had a fever, even though my head didn't have a fever. Yeah. Sounds so painful. Well, I let it cool down.

Like I was putting boiling water. Although the first time I put it in, I fucked up and didn't let it cool. So my mom checked the first time I tried it. It said I had a fever of 120. She's like,'s like well she's like so you're going to be dead and i'm like i'm sorry i'm joking she's like no we gotta cut you you got you need surgery um and then the one time i got off was when i think i was telling you oh yeah i was telling you when hideo nomo threw a no-hitter for the dodgers against the rockies my mom mom, I was like, can I not go to school the next day? She's like, yeah, yeah, this feels right.

This feels right. Wow. That's amazing. I think that's why I have such an affinity. I do the NCAA tournament. The first two rounds of the NCAA tournament, my dad would occasionally take me out of school if there was like a couple games nearby.

We would drive and watch those. And those are some of the best. Shemini many what about you yeah yeah i don't think i had any recurring ones but i know that my dad would get taken out of school by his uncle for like a sick day thing and then the little family joke was that the cure were brought worse at the white socks stadium and so they would just take him to my sex game oh man yeah really that feels like that like almost brought it to my head. You're like, dad, I love that story.

He's like, yeah, it's not happening though. Yeah. He's like, you're healthy. You're fine. Yeah. We're not going to Comiskey fam. So why don't you sit down and study your books. It's truly Illinois day.

I love it. That's great. Oh man. Yeah. Well, you had your own statewide holiday my i think our parents were just trying to make up for the fact that we didn't have those oh my my father-in-law he had a he has a friend who he's been doing this for like 50 years or something where it was called dentist day and you tell all your friends who have like jobs and stuff be like yo just calling if you got a dental appointment and come through to my house because i'm having a fucking party and like so people would come throughout the day basically all using the same excuse of like dental appointment

to go to like party at this person's house and i was like that's fucking smart they're like we all use the same bullshit excuse at the same damn time. Wow. So yeah. Yeah. Tradition. I hope you're not like blowing up anyone's spot right now. No, no, they're all one person. We were all retired.

They're not. Yeah. Right. Guy who always goes to the dentist the same day every year and then comes in hung over the next day. Maybe. Yeah. Wearing the same thing from two days prior all right alex we're thrilled to have you here we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to tell our listeners a

couple of things we're talking about there's a a new kind of run of articles about like just kind of imagining in the uh very realistic scenario where Trump wins a second term, what that second term would look like. And there's one Washington Post article that was just like, yeah, nobody would be able to stop him. He'd just be president for life. I'm like, that's not the rules, right? That can't be.

But it was this conservative commentator who was writing the Washington Post was just like, yeah, we should stop pretending like this isn't happening. He's going to be the president for the rest of your natural life until he's dead. So we'll talk about that and what Trump is saying about it, because he seems like he's on board. Giddy. Surprisingly. And we have our Time Magazine Person of the Year. Yes. Labor, right?

Yeah. Organized labor. No, no, no. Oh, my. No? No? Maybe disorganized labor? How many papers is that going to sell, huh, pal?

Yeah. Nah, they want Taylor. So so we're gonna talk about that this is like the first entertainer i think they've ever given it to other like lindbergh was the first one and i think in retrospect that was probably like more of a pop culture phenomenon than anything like he was just like a hot guy who flew a plane but people were obsessed with planes and they were like wave of the future pal this this guy's the man but yeah like there's no singers who have won this before it's pretty wild so we'll talk about that before we get to any of it alex we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history the actual most recent thing, which was surprising because I'm always Googling stuff

and researching for my podcast, but the actual most recent thing was just red pandas because we went to the zoo recently, saw them again. They're fantastic. They're just really good. Brighten your day.

Go see a red panda online and in person if you can. It's great. What's the... Are they big? They're smaller, right? Red pandas, they're like way... They're way smaller than like normal panda bears or traditional bears, I guess is the term.

Yeah. Yeah, they're basically called pandas because they eat bamboo and part of their habitat is modern China. And otherwise, they're more related to raccoons and weasels and stuff. So they're a smaller size and they're absolutely adorable. It's very fun to watch them move and climb and somehow their fur stays perfect all of the time it's a great animal really into it i always just feel like i see that that like there's that one video of the red pandas like going like this to each other it is an audio media miles uh oh sorry they like they like greet each other like by raising like getting on their hind legs and then raising their. Oh, okay. I'm looking at it right now.

Hey. And I'm like, little, are they dangerous? Cause like every time I see them, I'm like, yo, that's a pet right there.

I mean, obviously morality aside, I'm like, that would be a fucking dope fucking pet. Hey, I'm going to wife that animal. That's a wife material right there. Wait,

what are you saying? I i mean just in a friendship way the the greeting looks like they've heard the thing that you're like supposed to when you see a bear a bear you're supposed to like make yourself big right like they heard that when they see each other they're like as big as possible oh man yeah i don't i don't know if that's too simple but like Oh, man. in our country. Are the big, like the great pandas, are those like on lease? Yeah, they're technically still either Chinese property or citizens, or I don't know how the laws work exactly,

but they're always being borrowed when they're in the U.S. Yeah, right. And China can just take them back. Right, right, right. Wow. See, that's called leverage right there.

They're like, oh, you want to fuck around with semiconductors, bro? We taking our pandas. Yes. Now what? We possess the coolest animals. yeah this red panda somebody let me know can you kick it with a red panda and not be worried about like it ripping your face off and shit yeah the movie uh turning red

was somewhat misleading i will say because oh... Oh. It's a good movie. And what did you take from it, exactly, that you're going to apply to the real world? That I could turn into one? Puberty isn't real, folks. It doesn't exist. Oh. No, it doesn't? It's giant, though.

The red panda is in that. She turns into a red panda that is the size of a giant panda. Right. Yeah. Red panda's like a fox or a medium-sized dog size. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty chill. I saw these at a zoo in West Virginia,

and they are absolutely adorable. Alex, your background, you have a zoo background, right? You've worked at zoos. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about a Zoom call. I was like, that looks like a normal bedroom. You have a zoo background. Why brookfield zoo outside of chicago illinois day we're keeping it going and i loved that when i was four i wanted to do it and then when i was 18 i got to

and uh yes and i i love going to zoos especially around thanksgiving because they're open every day usually uh because zoos know they have to feed the animals and care for the animals anyway so they're often open almost all the days of the year because like why not sell tickets yeah great holiday thing well now i feel like i know a lot of like parents with younger kids in la they're all like oh you got the zoo pass like we got the annual like we go when we just pull up whenever to the la zoo and for my recollection i've been to the la zoo in like 15 years i'm like you've been the fuck though la zoo that fucking place i'm like no it's cool it's cool now um so i'm i'm with them it's good and yeah i was just brought to

the brookfield zoo as a kid to make myself run yeah like right like go run around with your brother get tired it was great yeah yeah then they turn around and you're like in the enclosure like hey yeah zoos i i've been told like that there are some unexpectedly good zoos like that the fresno zoo is is really good in the southern california area like the la Zoo doesn't have a great reputation in LA. Like you don't hear a lot of people talk about it outside of LA, but it's a lot of fun. It is in a little bit of disrepair.

Like you can tell that a lot of the like buildings for the humans were built in like the 80s and 90s. You know, like the stores, the motifs that they've selected are kind of 80s and 90s you know like the stores the the motifs that they've selected are kind of 80s and 90s era but yeah just go check out your local your local zoo i mean also i don't know fresno calling fresno socal is a bit of a stretch is it like that drive okay i mean maybe like in the big maybe the larger scheme of things but when i think of fresno i'm like oh that's we're about to be in the bay area what uh alex what's something you think is overrated

the guy napoleon way over guy awful guy that guy and i saw the movie yesterday the movie i think really doesn't like him and i really appreciate that about the movie they make him look like a weird jerk who no one should like all of the time it's great wait so uh what what is your beef with napoleon because i'm actually pretty good friends with him oh what's your damage bro yeah like what's your fucking problem no yeah right like he's moderating the discord and everyone's very mad at me typing right now he is famous but mainly for being a general and he basically just got like everyone in europe killed for about 15 years for his own personal gain like he didn't really have goals beyond being an emperor and he kind of ruined the best parts of the french revolution he was a horrible guy personally

he reinstituted slavery in france after the revolution abolished it like he should not have any good reputation at all and the movie just treats him like he's a weird guy who's bad so that's very good yeah oh the joaquin special yeah i i recommend seeing it just to see how weird it is it's not a good movie but it's a lot of just him shuffling around being unpleasant and also having a fully american accent i i assume french people are really upset about this movie uh it's it's not a good napoleon uh depiction like does it like fully american like does he have a regional accent do they go like bronx with it or is it just speaking tv english hey i'm invading here yeah that's yeah sure you're fucking talking to napoleon right now dog yo you know you speaking to bro because i'll i'll go get him

he's about to head over to corsorsica, bro, for his exile. I'll do that shit right now. Did he have syphilis, though? He had, I think, more than 20 mistresses is the estimation and probably picked it up. I just always thought there was like a weird, like, historical myth. Or I didn't know if it was true, but I always, for some reason, people were like, yo, he has syphilis. Was the thing I always heard about Napoleon. But yeah, that could just be based on bad rumors that have lasted for centuries now yeah we just turned him into like an angry short cartoon character like that's just how history worked they're like yeah he's like picture danny devito

trying to get shorty but like more more angry and that's who he is but it feels like he's the first leader that is like similar to the leaders we have like just a narcissist like that that is what was driving the whole thing he's like i have you guys heard about this narcissism shit this shit goes hard this is a great way to go through life and everyone just was unprepared for it you know yeah yeah i read the long biography of him last year and the like even people in france were kind of unprepared for him because he was very from corsica which a lot of french people thought was like separate and different and they even thought he had a weird regional accent from corsica like people would talk about how he he spoke funny from a french perspective and yeah i think he just decided he was going to be

the military dictator of the earth and that's not like a great goal i think heroes should have better goals yeah you heard it here those bad ideas to have like inception in your brain that you can't shake yeah like god i just can't get rid of this notion that everybody should be bowing to me in the whole world. Yeah. Oh, that's not good for anybody, man.

Well, let me finish under the threat of death. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what I've been saying. That's what I've been saying, man.

Shit works. Shout out to Ridley Scott though. He's, he's just on a on a heater of like making highly watchable not good movies that seems to be like where he's at that uh house of gucci thing was like what a great time at the movies and you just like walk away and you're like man that wasn't good what the fuck was that but like what a blast yeah i like i'm very intrigued i'm always yeah i always come with people are like it's not good

but like you should definitely go see it and that was like definitely my review of house of gucci too it's like not not a good movie but check it out but check it better you better go it's gonna make time disappear and stick with you in weird ways. Didn't he also do a Columbus movie with Gerard Depardieu? That 1492 film. Was that him? Or did he write it? Was that Ridley?

Oh, yeah. He directed it. Yeah, dude. So he's on a fucking tear. Being like, yo, and this guy's fucking he was just trying to figure out the new world for everybody man complicated dude really weird guy yeah this movie made me reappreciate gladiator where he could just make up a exciting guy yeah you have to like depict a guy who's horrible you know right it's great yeah

did gladiator have syphilis though you you asked that like a gotcha question when you asked i know i did it i did it as if everything i said that was preceding it was meaningless because it was mainly just to get to the point yeah but it's just a simple site because that's what now that i read it they were suspecting that's whating That's what led to his death potentially Like the symptoms that he was displaying They're like, plus his, you know His habits of having many partners It may have been syphilis that took him down

Yeah, and he was like devolving Towards the end, supposedly Like making bad military decisions But that could also just be power And being fame, famous Being fame What, Alex, is something you think is underrated? Yeah, this is a candy tip.

There is an amazing candy in Canada called Coffee Crisp. And it's very good. And I would really like to order some. I will probably get some later. It's apparently hard to get in the U.S. Wikipedia wrongly told me it's at Wegmans. It's not at Wegmans. But anyway, Coffee Crisp. It's at Wegmans. It's not at Wegmans. But anyway, Coffee Crisp.

It's a candy bar. It's really good. And I'm guessing it tastes like peanuts? It is. We have a friend in Canada. They drove down a while ago and brought us some just basically gas station candy. And this thing blew my mind. It's a vanilla wafer like cookie and then soft

coffee flavored candy filling in the wafer and then coated in chocolate so vanilla chocolate coffee all together it's just amazing and you can get it for like a nickel in canada yeah oh you can get a 30 pack on amazon but the page is titled nestle coffin crisp coffee don't buy that don't buy that i would stick with us steer clear of that i probably just yeah hopefully one of your listeners or our listeners can uh you know just can traffic down for you yeah i would love some it's great it's like it's fantastic there's not enough coffee-flavored candy that's normally available. There's fancy kinds, but you can't just get that. I love the slogan on this box of the 24-pack of Coffee Crisp.

It just says, Coffee Crisp makes a nice light snack. I think so used to American marketing that's like, you'll fucking die if you don't eat seven of these asshole. Like where it's like, this makes a nice light snap coffee crisp. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

Or like a paragraph about like our corporate philosophy. Yeah. This one's just like from the 1970s. Yeah. A crisp light snack for you. Oh, so you're a, are you a coffee ice cream fan,

Alex? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So you like, do you, a are you a coffee ice cream fan alex yes okay yeah so you like do and are you a regular coffee drinker yeah yeah we yeah okay yeah wow okay take it and and really all like bitter flavors of stuff i'm pretty into too especially as i've i've aged a little bit like when you're a little kid you just want ketchup on everything. But now I like bitter, weird, dark flavors. So all our tastes are childish compared to yours, is what you're saying. What's wrong with ketchup on the menu when I talk about food? Because you just like to chew some aspirin tablets. You're more grown up than us. I get star anise, just the

actual plant, and I just chew on that all day. It's actually very, very delicious. Awesome. Yeah, I was just reading a review of Barbara Streisand's thousand-page biography or memoir, and they were talking about her being like this huge coffee ice cream fan. And that's just, it's like one of those things that there are just people who are like, yeah, no,

why would you ever have anything else besides coffee flavored stuff? Like, that's how my mom is too. Like, it's just like, yeah, loves coffee ice cream. And I,

I just don't see it. It's like such a specific thing that I just like, it's never, yeah, it's just, it's not like, it's not for me i guess but yeah barbara streisand's like i'm just happy to eat coffee ice cream until i die after i finish this memoir just like i'm i'm out baby i'm out and that after that going to my mcdonald's downstairs

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And yeah, it seems like people are starting to come to terms with the possibility of a second Trump term in their own ways. There's been a number of articles about the possibility of Trump becoming president again and becoming a dictator. Yeah. Napoleon style. With syphilis. You know what I mean? Yeah. Napoleon style. Next time he goes for it, he's probably going to do it better than the last time. And we've seen a lot of these quotes and like headlines, which I think half are intended for like to help like people understand like what's at stake if you don't support Joe Biden. But then the other half is also it's like this is actually kind of serious. And like, does anyone care that this is happening or the way we report on presidential races have been like who's gonna win rather than like uh what's this guy saying so there have been quotes from his allies that suggest he's like yo he ain't leaving like if he gets in he ain't leaving i mean he might if something might happen that would eventually oust you know oust him but in his mind if he's there

he's holding on to that thing for dear life uh he also has a website that's like literally we've talked about this project 2025. It's like literally outlining his plan to destroy the federal government. And it's put together by like very smart lawyers and like people who understand like how to potentially dismantle like the bureaucracies in a way that benefit Trump and installing MAGA flunkies, etc. installing MAGA flunkies, etc. Yeah, he's not going. If he wins this time, he's not going to the White House with a look like he just saw a ghost on his face the first time. Remember that? First trip to the White House

where he's like, oh, what have I done? Now he's going with fucking armed guards ready to just take Biden to the Hague or fucking whatever. But then they're like, actually, Donald, while you're here why don't you have a seat too yeah since we got you here at the hague yeah yeah you got any any

other former presidents with you oh all right that'll do that'll do but yeah it's clear that like all the warning sirens coming out of the media has from the perspective of the right created like a narrative for them to push back on to be like oh shit they're like they're doing the thing where they're gonna they're gonna alert the voting populace about how dangerous donald trump is and we need to kind of like maybe push back on that jd vance was saying you know people need to take a chill pill because like all this stuff is just worrying just for no reason that's not what's going on others are just very dismissive and laughing off the idea that trump wants to become some kind of dictator and that seems to be the tactic, like with this second campaign, as it relates to like these very autocratic goals of his is to treat the media's, you know, reaction to his plans as these like lib freak outs.

others that aren't that engaged can just mark it as like that's like the media overreacting again i mean look what he was he that bad i don't know but meanwhile there are many people who are completely unaware you know too there's like there's a huge part of the like voters who like when it comes to november of 2024 they'll do what they do others might not even be motivated to vote but that's where like we're seeing him or the party sort of play into the thing of like out loud saying these dark things and like allowing it to be in The Washington Post or New York Times. But those people ain't reading that shit. So it's just like, yeah, yeah, we're all good. We're all good.

But meanwhile, his like public statements make it very clear what his plans are, which is like revenge by any means. When he said like the vermin that he's going to fucking seek out and, you know, finally get revenge on. And this doesn't affect the support at all with his supporters. They all want in on the revenge tour. But yeah, like, so the, the reason like I like I'm bringing this up though,

is because like he, there was a Hannity town hall that happened recently and clearly Hannity knew that like all this talk about how Trump's going to be a dictator. It's like, don't scare the fucking voters. Like let's maybe like back off that a little bit he tried to change the optics by giving him some softball questions and this was trump like just so you know this is hannity he's like earlier in this event he was like and you're not gonna like abuse your power right like just saying very unequivocally and then trump be like what like they're doing now

Like, just saying very unequivocally. And then Trump would be like, what, like, they're doing now? Right. And then Andy's like, oh, fuck, that's not the answer we need. So here is his second go-around of trying to get Trump to say, yeah, like, you're not, like, going to, like, fucking be a dictator or anything, right? We almost have to go to a break. I want to go back to this one issue, though, because the media has been focused on this

and attacking you under no circumstances. You are promising America tonight. You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. Except for day one. He's going crazy. Except for day one. Meaning? He's going crazy. I want to close

the border, and I want to drill, drill, drill. That's not retribution i got i'm gonna be yeah i'm gonna be you know he keeps we love this guy he says you're not gonna be a dictator are you i said no no no other than day one but he's trying to be it's like part of him wants to be like To wink at the things like you know what's coming Mushroom Mussolini baby load up Or he's also Kind of like in this thing is like yeah By closing the border and drilling

And maybe throwing my enemies In prison maybe that's the part he's not saying Out loud but yeah it's very interesting But my enemy is under those drills Yeah I have not heard a lot of clips of, like, Sean Hannity doing stuff. And when it is, it's usually him, like, fighting with somebody. It's really sweet to hear Sean Hannity trying to help a guy.

Right. So when you say day one, you mean just your policies, right? You mean just your policies. No, that's not a dictator. It's very cute and sweet and adorable of him. That's great. This guy would have dipped shit. Look at him trying to help me.

Oh, he hates this. He hates this. Watch this day one. Okay. I'm going to be a dictator, baby. They're going to call me Robespierre, bro. Just wait. Just fucking wait.

So yeah, like beta Sean Hannity. Very exciting. I'm very on board. Well, you're not, but you don't mean it, do you? Do you, Don? Ah, come on. And, you know, this is the part of each act break where I start getting a little antsy

because I haven't taken a hit off my vape for five minutes. So, yeah, I don't know. Like, one of the Washington Posts had this opinion piece by a conservative commentator. But I think it's like a never Trumper conservative commentator. And they're basically like, yeah, comparing him to the power grabbing Roman Emperor Julius Caesar. The lengthy article says neither the U.S. Constitution nor the Supreme Court could prevent trump being president for life if he wanted which like all right joe joe you gotta do it now then bro you gotta do it now if the if the laws

are that flimsy then what would be like the body should be like actually i'm i'm godhead for life right like why why is this we're just agreeing with that we're just like yeah it turns out like he can kind of do whatever he wants. So that's how serious this country is. I mean, like, remember, we talked about this after January 6th. There was like this whole thing. We got to we got to codify these rules because clearly people don't like if it's not written down into law, they're like, well, that ain't no law. I can just fucking steal this.

I'll just fucking say I don't agree with the outcome and I'm the president still. Yeah. What happened to all the codification? I mean, I was coming. This is where, you know, you have you have yet really great allies of the right wing takeover and Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, as well as many others that are just I mean, I just don't it's weird. I think there's just this also the energy we get from politicians is sort of like yeah dude it's fine this dude's fucking like I don't know what the fuck he's saying don't worry about it and then on the other hand they're like no this fucking guy is gonna

fucking do something and you're like well then how do you factor into all of this right if it really is like can you show like because the the will to sort of protect the American democracy, that dissipated so quickly in Biden's first year that now I don't know what the answer is. And if the only answer is just to be like, well, then just breathlessly vote for Joe Biden. That's also a little problematic for me because I'm like, we have to look at these presidencies as a way to keep building on something and have progress. Granted, uh, that's, I don't know how realistic that is at this point, but it's just like, all of it is just very disorienting where it's like, is it an existential threat or is it not? And if it is, what are you doing at this in with all these seats of power to try and do something about it. Because otherwise it just seems like y'all don't care either way what happens. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, I am so happy that people are making big predictions of how bad Donald Trump could be because he like did a January 6th. He's that dangerous already in real life. Right. It's ridiculous that anybody is trying to tell people to take a chill pill about him he he did he fomented an assault on the united states capitol and if he were anybody

else we would have like rounded him up with our military but right you know yeah but he's very popular with a lot of a lot of certain type of people i mean i think that's why like with all the support for biden going up and down i mean like a year is truly like an eternity in politics i mean like when we were i remember like 2019 going into 2020 we're like i don't know man he might get a second term and then covid fucking hit and completely upended everything i'm not saying there's gonna be some other pandemic but like things happen and people's calculus changes but like right now it's not like like the big a lot of the stories i'm seeing from democrats sort of like oh they're gonna stop using bydonomics because it's just not like resonating with people and i'm like there's a lot more to be talking

about than just like what how good of a catchphrase bidenomics is right but yeah it seems like kind of a mess yeah we should be saying econobiden right now we're winning there we go oh we don't worry guys we've got a group of the highest paid political operatives in Washington just focus testing various phrases around the clock. This one's in the bag. I do feel like I just have this sense that Democratic strategists and like people in Congress are like behind the scenes being like, guys, it's in the bag for Biden. Like, yeah, people, the polling's bad right now, but like nobody's going to actually vote Trump into office. Like they've seen how crazy it is. And they've seen, you've seen like how they actually have voted in the past few elections. And it just feels, it feels like there's like something that they think they know that the rest of us don't know about this election or else they would have their hair on fire.

Like it feels like everybody should with staring down the barrel of this shit, you know? Yeah, I think it's like it's also knowing like when to shoot the shot in a campaign. It's like they can't turn on the fire alarm till we're a little bit closer to election day. You know what I mean? Because like you start doing that now yeah it'll it'll last for a couple months but like you need it to be like you need to hit fever pitch in like the week before election day to get that turnout or whatever your voter registration drives are because and that's what i think makes it just also so cynical too where they're like dude don't don't warn them about the collapse of american

democracy like we're not gonna really take it seriously to like maybe like three weeks out from the election then yeah it's got to be a concentrated rollout okay if we learned anything we won't scale it won't scale otherwise we have the pr team from barbie okay we're this is gonna be fun we have the pr team from barbie they're telling us to just keep our powder dry, sit back, wait. Also, Barbie-nomics. Okay. Actually, we're good here. Justin, please cut that out.

We have to clip it out and send it right to the Biden team. And maybe a vice presidential run from Miss Barbie? Just throwing it out there. Could you imagine that kind of level of panic from the DNC? Like, fuck, dude. I think Taylor Swift might have to be his running mate. I think we're going to have to do that. Honestly, I don't know what else is going to move the fucking needle in some of these swing states.

Maybe we did the polling. People like her. No, I'm almost positive that conversation has happened like in higher, higher halls of power than I want to believe. Yes. Look what it did for fucking Travis Kelsey in the NFL. People were out on the NFL.

People used to say that was like modern day like barbaric slavery like just like you know like just all these black players and like a white quarterback and all these head injuries and their disposable bodies and now people fucking everyone loves it again because of taylor that is that's a life i've never thought about of being one of the people running either of the major political parties and just as you go through life whenever a celebrity crosses your mind or radar you just have the thought like should i make them the president is that a good idea yeah would that work for me like what a weird way to live life that was right like in the post like clinton i remember a lot in like the george w bush era michael moore would talk a lot about

oprah being the president like how we got to get oprah to run and and i think that was like a popular idea it's like we we just need i mean you see the way she can move books you guys like yes the way she can sell slankets i mean she's got something. And that's like, it's different, but that's almost happened mainly with generals. I read a biography of Truman and they talked about how Eisenhower got talked to by both parties before he took a look at politics because they were just like, you'll definitely get elected and you're awesome. He's much more impressive than a celebrity, but it was an before because he was not in politics yet and they were like this is a free agent can i add him to my fantasy team i guess right yeah yeah exactly like this guy's on waivers you guys this is a season winner just sitting out there on the waiver wire yeah is he more impressive than all celebrities we're about to find out because he is now in the same category as Taylor Swift, this year's person of the year. We're breaking the stigma and silence around sex and

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And we're back. We're back. And yeah. Taylor Swift. and we're back we're back and yeah yeah anyway vice president taylor have you read taylor's autobiography yet or taylor's biography no i'm getting to it i know harry truman was a huge fan but that's all i know yeah walter isaacson is working on it the the guy it's going to be added to his genius trilogy taylor puts out a book it's like the u.s constitution taylor's version yeah you're like shit taylor swift has joined the likes of adolf hitler and joseph stalin on and you know many others i'm sure yeah the fdr as one of the most influential people in modern history

it is like so first of all we talked about how like the nominees included labor which felt like oh that's definitely the pick right like that labor has had a huge year this year they fucking stopped the entertainment industry they stopped the and like bent the auto industry to their will like there's growing approval for the labor industry or for labor which is unprecedented in modern america like that the idea of labor having a high approval rating in the united states like very recently it was like, what? No,

that's fucking socialist. Fuck that, man. So like there, there's this huge movement and that huge movement does not move papes. If you put it on the cover. So they were like, fuck that.

And also it's kind of a socialist choice for it. They're like, yeah, let Jacobin make that their person of the year. We're going to go with Taylor Swift. But this is the first time like I was going back through the list of people who have won who like the people of the year. They've never had anybody this just like entertainment. They have.

They have. It was Bono and Bill Gates and melinda gates were on the cover one year but that was for their humanitarian work yeah sure but i'm just saying bono did make it bono okay bono was like in the background yeah he's technically part of the the group that was celebrated as the people of the year so i but he is as i look at this he's the only person maybe ted turner like is another sort of media jason but yeah yeah not like it's usually like billionaire they're like yeah we don't we don't take people seriously unless they've made decisions that led to the deaths of

many thousands of people that's that's our kind of our sweet spot here's looking at you kissinger 72 yeah right so i don't know that it feels like kind of a safe pick a greedy pick and that you want to like if you want that nfl halo that taylor swift halo that uh even improved the nfl's approval ranking then like this is probably the smart move from a business perspective. It does re-raise the question of like, is this accurate? Like do what we, you know, we've talked about how religion has gone away or gone, like the number of people who identify with religion has gone down significantly in the past few decades and suddenly we now have these global pop stars who have fan bases that obsess over them and treat them like they are

a sacred text like treat their work like it's a sacred text so like maybe she is kind of a uniquely powerful you know uh symbolic figure in the history of the world because it does feel like a lot of a lot of different deep human needs are aligning around her and you know pop pop musicians and movies and, you know, these modern myths that we have instead of religion more and more. But, yeah, I think it probably should have been labor. I mean, are they even are they even looking at her in that context? Are they just being like, yo, she was she was popping this year. And that's you know, I mean, like you're giving a very, like you're giving a charitable interpretation of them naming her person of the year where I don't disagree.

Like she has, she's Cree. She's moving money. Like it's fucking all low. It's sloshing around. Okay. It's a sloshing around all this. And what to do with all this money that's sloshing around.

That's the question on everyone's mind. And I get the, all the fans are dedicated, but I think like, if you're really talking about like impact on the earth like 2011 it was the protesters like right because that was the year of the arab spring and things like that time magazine made those people the people of the year and when you look at what has been happening with labor the amount of like of jobs of money and things that have been affected by organized labor i think will

completely completely blow out anything taylor swift has done if you're looking at like the raw economics of like what it means for these people to go on strike and the benefits that are going to reverberate from that but yeah i think to your point like knowing that print is doing terribly in the digital era like sometimes it's like yeah yeah you know it's like people aren't gonna really argue with that it might not be the best choice but that cover is gonna sell like a motherfucker yeah yeah exactly yeah exactly and and i wish time would provide more like practical value to the country with this like i i don't need help remembering taylor swift exists and as we've been talking about strikes,

my mind is trying to remember if there was a railroad strike and trying to remember if there was a UPS strike or if they considered it. And an article would help me remember that and run it down because that's somewhat difficult to keep in your head. And Taylor Swift is probably most of the screens in every building in the country right now. So I don't need help with that.

That's okay. Right. Yeah, a lot of the screens in every building in the country right now so i don't i don't need help with that that's okay right yeah a lot of the writing like i've read like the first third or of it like and a lot of it is just talking about just purely like yo she's so popping like she's perfected the art of pop music this year she's yeah you know she's omnipotent at this point so like from that very yeah from that perspective i'm like yeah okay that's fine but a lot of like but is that contribution as significant to like the larger world but again that's i don't think anyone will ever agree on who the time person of the year should be but again not that it means really anything yeah yeah there i think there's an interesting point to be made about like the role of pop and pop culture, like growing and becoming more important. But I'm guessing it's not being made by Time magazine, which is, as I've said frequently, a garbage publication.

Yeah, I was like trying to see if like even the word religion is in there. And it's only in there once to describe how people felt at her concerts. Yeah. Yeah. But like, it would be interesting to your point is to do a larger examination and be like, it's not just because like on its face,

obviously she's had the, like, she's been so significant to pop culture this year. It's actually all these other things that you're not looking at. I think that would have been something interesting, but yeah, it's just like, dude,

look how much money she makes, like how much revenue is generated from where she has a tour it's like yeah we get that but like give us something else give us something more because i'm sure there is something interesting i mean like we talk about her all like we haven't really stopped talking about her since the arrows tour kicked off because we're like what the fuck is clearly she's got she is in the fucking hearts and minds of people yeah um but a deeper examination i don't know like it's not that into forensic analysis but i think there's something academic there that could be interesting yeah i want i want person of the year taylor swift from any better media organization that would be great like so like a a magazine that i think does good work

that would be really exciting yeah Yeah. That would be cool. All right. Well, Taylor Swift in the halls of power with the Mussolini ever win it. I feel like you must've won it. I think so. They all did. Mussolini rings a bell. They all did.

Everyone. I mean, Hitler won it twice. You know, Nixon won it twice, you know, Nixon won it twice in consecutive years and then the year after it was the judge who basically like ended his career they were like

this guy nixon's on a fucking heater folks he's heating up he's on fire he's on shit what happened what now what what is the next person of the year just automatically whoever wins the next presidential election right yeah that seems like part of it too they're sort of implying no politics happened this year which is not true but i feel like they're saving next year for politics so they were like let's have a treat in 2023 right like let's let's goof off a little bit right right right this is our fun like kind of goof off year this was like senior spring you know we were just chilling i mean is it gonna look

like one of those things we're like yeah and then the next one is like trump's like fucking you know political enemies are like that was a weird transition. We went from Taylor Swift to fucking Stephen Miller. That was a dark time. That was a dark time. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see where we're at this time next year. I mean, looking back, like Greta Thunberg was the person of the year a mere like four or five years ago. And I mean, now since then, we've solved climate change.

So, you know, that's what a time capsule oh oh wait wait sorry no i'm being cold uh time magazine has just moved on from that yeah yeah because what's wild was like in 2018 it was like people like jamal khashoggi you know what i mean yeah yeah and like other journalists who are like killed, like doing like work that it's like, that's what I was like. What exactly? Yeah. What's the, what's the scale?

What's the measuring criteria we use for this? The people who sum up like that, there's somebody whose job it is to like sum up the big group ones and they always do the worst job like right for the year uh that it was zolinski they made it the spirit of ukraine and for it like it's just really the guardians the hashoji year was the guardians with uh you know people writing about corruption around the world and right yeah the silence breakers yeah i i feel like they forgot we should we shouldn't like focus on heroes too much but i feel like they forgot that one person can represent a group of people like zelensky to represent Ukraine is fine. That makes sense.

You don't need to invoke the spirit of Ukraine like it's a magic act or something. It's okay. The Good Samaritans was the name that Bono and Bill Gates won. That one's so wild. That's such a specific. And this is when we realized

that neoliberalism was going to work because bono organized the live eight concerts and the rest of the world's problems dissolved that's that's what he helped to organize the live eight concerts i wonder if that was just like because we were just such in our peak two of like dystopian like you know ir know, Iraq, Afghanistan war type stuff that it's like, oh, it's fucking Bono and shit for the concerts. Yeah. It's like a runner up that year. The black eyed peas. Let's get it started.

Indeed. Yes. All right. Well, Alex Schmidt, what a pleasure having you on the show as always. Thank you so much. All right. Well, Alex Schmidt, what a pleasure having you on the show as always. Thank you so much. Always great. It's a treat.

Where can, uh, where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff. I make it, I make a podcast called secretly incredibly fascinating. And my cohost is the amazing Katie Golden, which is just awesome from creature feature and more,

but check it out. It's if you search secretly in your app, it's the red logo and I'm making tick tocks most days now so find me on tiktok it's fun oh hell yeah i'm gonna follow you on tiktok yeah the second i start using tiktok what what are some subjects that you recently discovered were secretly incredibly fascinating we we had a listener request for ska music so we did a whole thing about that which was extremely fun it turned out because i kind of missed ska music as a kid i learned a lot and then we did canada geese recently which i think is a really excellent winter holiday

vibe if you want to do that one too and of course katie brings something extra anything animals she's great on everything but but we really nailed that one i think yeah canadian geese it the the popularity of eating goose we were talking about on an upcoming episode we will be talking about in an upcoming episode but like the the fact that like christmas used to be goose season where we ate geese did did that go out of fashion because geese taste bad or because people just like see too many of them in their day-to-day lives was that something that you guys covered yeah there's a lot of like species of geese we farm and then we don't farm canada geese and apparently canada geese taste amazing and there's huge hunts to control the population now and so there's places

all over the u.s and other parts of of North America where people eat Canada geese often. And it's for population control. Oh, shoot. Hunting Canada geese seems like the most unsporting thing that you could possibly hunt. Like, you have to, like, run away from them. They're just, like, coming up to you and being like, ah, ah. You really don't need a duck blind in that case. Those things just walk slowly towards you,

in my experience. Anyways, amazing. I guess don't hunt them in the town or park where that happens. The people will be that excited about your big gun, but yeah. That's right. Yeah. I just use one of those ones that the end looks like a horn and it just blasts a big blast of smoke, you know?

And the only thing it does to the Canadian geese is it spins their beak around to the back of their head. Thank you. I have to spin it back around. I think about Daffy Duck all the time. Thank you. Anyway, go on. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? So, and this is the thing on TikTok.

There was an old Canadian children's show called Nanalan, and it has become several different memes. And then my favorite one on TikTok is puppets on Nan Lan where one sings about who's this wonderful girl. And she's like descending stairs and people are using it for very good memes on TikTok. It's great. Amazing. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work media you've been enjoying?

At Miles of Gray, all over the place, pretty much. Find Jack and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack on Mad Boosties. much uh find jack and i on our basketball podcast miles and jack and you could also find me on uh the 420 day fiance show with sophia alexandra where we talk about my favorite show 90 day fiance uh tweet i like from katie delaney when it comes to just being like are you this song lyric oh man but are you what the fuck what's that even mean nothing good is what i'm thinking that's just the first thought i mean yeah like the way i i mean i think the robbie's version is like they first thought i mean yeah like the way i i mean i think the obvious version is like they're watching someone perform and like the everything they're

performing is speaking directly to them that the guitar oh my god you're strumming my pain with your fingers like somebody's stopping like a musician in the middle and be like bro are you are you serious right now with the strumming of my pain? With your fingers, no less? Yo, this motherfucker is singing my life with his words. So, no. I do not appreciate that. Not like this.

It does sound like a Yelp review of a concert, doesn't it? Anyway. Tweet I've been enjoying. Trash Jones tweeted, I love the moon because we both look bad in photos But Jack you'll take a killer moon photo I will take a I was looking back through And I got some moon photos

And they stink My moon photos are bad Like I was like oh Wait you know to my son my five-year-old i was like man this the moon is amazing it's like so huge go stand like over there i'm gonna get you with the moon and it just the shittiest picture i've ever taken of someone figures out it's an optical illusion yeah turns out it's not that big in the camera very small yeah just big in our hearts uh like me you know bad in pictures big in your heart yeah uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist right the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook

fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our foot notes or no where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do you think people might enjoy this is a interesting i don't okay so i always find tracks that are seeming like they kind of straddle many genres this is from an artist from kote d'Ivoire, the Ivory Coast, named Creature Sonore, S-O-N-O-R-E. And the track is called Serenity's Illumination. And it's clear that there's like these like Afrobeat highlife percussive elements, but also like there's like this sampling that's going on, which kind of makes it feel kind of like vapor wavy. It's just super interesting. And it's like

has a lot of heart to it, and it just feels like one of these really interestingly assembled songs. So check this out. It's Serenity's Illumination by Creature Sonore. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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