The Daily Zeitgeist - TDZ Holiday EP: Xmas Not Horny Enough, Gifts, Home Alone Theory 12.21.22

Episode Date: December 21, 2022

In episode 1396, Jack and Miles are joined in this special Holiday Edition by creator and co-host of Ridiculous History and Stuff They Don't Want You To Know, Noel Brown, to discuss… Our Favorite Gifts/Memories, Put The XXX Back In XMas Movies, The Old Man From Home Alone Was Totally A Serial Killer and more! The Old Man From Home Alone Was Totally A Serial Killer According To This ‘Home Alone’ Fan Theory, We Finally Know Who The “South Bend Shovel Slayer” Is! LISTEN: A Message to You Rudy (The Old Grey Whistle Test) by The SpecialsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 268, episode three of Dirt Aileys, hey guys! It's the last episode of the year. It's the last episode of the year. It's the school's out, teachers are showing movies vibes episode. It's going to be pretty half-assed up in here. We're heading out, folks. It's been a great pretty half-assed up in here. We're heading out, folks.

It's been a great year. Been a great year. You got a bunch of Evergreen holiday episodes coming to you, but I got to tell you, today's episode, we're really- We're smiling. Phoning it in. We're just smiling. We're-

Yeah. Who knows what day it is? Who knows if- Oh, shit. I should start recording. Okay? Did you not record? Well, look, folks.

We're doing it our way today. Yeah. I was recording. What's his name? The commander? What did they call Frank Sinatra? The chairman of the board. We did it our way.

Oh, Ronan Farrow's dad? Yeah. Anyways, it's still a production of iHeartRadio. Yeah. It's still a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Today, a little bit more holiday themed than others. It is Wednesday, December 21st, 2022, which of course means T-minus. National French fried shrimp day.

That's what I was going to say. Humbug day. National Maine day. Oh, it's also the solstice. Yeah. Remember that. And that's why we're doing it. Half-assed is for the solstice. Because it's so dark today.

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Both Jack and Miles of Grey Alright, get the guilt out Nice courtesy of Ruthie Always Forgets Fudge At Forgetful Fudge on Twitter Shout out to you. Happy Hanukkah. Happy holidays to everyone. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr.

Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. I took the walk to Bethlehem. Obviously. Because Jesus is the reason for the season, as they all said. Walk to Bethlehem. Obviously. Yeah. Cool preacher vibe. Because Jesus is the reason for the season.

Thank you. As they all said. Yeah. Shout out to... I'm just... I can't... I'm so excited. I was telling you when we were talking about this episode, I'm like, I have wild last day

of school energy. Yeah. Like, I'm coming in. My fucking... Like, I'm like already half dressed to do some shit after the bell rings, which for me is just to lay down. So you have a blanket around your shoulders? Yeah. But I think we do the show, you know, very consistently.

You don't really hear us talk about like how it's it's a lift, you know, for us to do two episodes a day. You're killing us, people. No, we love to do it. But when we get to this time of the year, it's like, it's weird. Once you start working, like, and you're out of academia or your schedule is sort of tied

to the, like, the seasons, like, this is, like, still that one sort of stretch of the year that I think, I feel like we can kind of be like, oh, relax. And to those that are able to, obviously, you know,

shout out to y'all. And those that can't, I hope you're able to find ways to relax in whatever way you can. Yes, yes. Well, we are thrilled to, obviously, you know, shout out to y'all. And those that can't, I hope you're able to find ways to relax in whatever way you can. Yes, yes. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat for this half-assed of episode. The creator and co-host of Stuff They Don't Want You To Know and Ridiculous History. He's also the co-author of the book Stuff They Don't Want You To Know. Yeah.

That makes a great gift for the holidays. Not too late. Conspiracy theorist in your life. It's Noel Brown! Noel! I'm happy to be half-assing it with y'all today. Yeah, welcome. It's an honor and a thrill.

Are you looking forward to the holidays? Yeah, I'm going to lay down for the whole time. Immediately following this. Everybody was doing the wild podcast. He's like, yeah, I will lay down. I will lay down. And I will not look at a microphone for at least seven days. My energy at this point in the year is

always Richie Tenenbaum like when he has one of his shoes. No, when he like has one of his shoes off during the tennis match and is just like hitting it underhanded. Oh, yeah. And just getting it slammed back at him.

And they're like inexplicable. And then he starts crying, I think, at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that happens. We have good editors. But that happens frequently throughout the episodes. Couldn't come sooner.

Yeah. I don't know. See, I don't even know what that phrase is. Is Royal Tenenbaum a Christmas movie? Isn't there some Christmas action in that movie? There's Christmas vibes, but I don't remember there being a Christmas. All that Mark Mothersbaugh music could be stand-in Christmas music. It always uses jingle bells, you know what I mean?

Just like the instrument, not the tune. Yeah. I remember. It's so weird. I remember when Life Aquatic came out, I was so into it at the end of the year that like the Sue George, like David Bowie covers from that album. I was like, this is Chris.

Like whenever I hear it, I'm like, Oh, this is Christmas music. It's so weird how contextually sometimes it's just like, yeah. When I hear rebel rebel in Portuguese, it's Chris.

I was channeling my Blair Saatchachi because at that point i was like it he had done a couple movies with owen wilson and then i don't know if that was his first one but that was when i was like this guy can't make a movie unless he writes it with owen wilson that was one of his first that he didn't and so i was out on it right away i had a boss that had rebel rebel as his ringtone you know like a look at me kind of ringtone that was always on full blast like in an open office right so you know i was trying to make conversation i was like hey so you're a big music fan now he goes no i don't really listen to music cool good good time shut that right i don't really listen to music wait is that a song that

comes out of my phone when people call me i just oh no, man. I went to UNLV, man. That's why I have this on here. It was a weird flex. Call back to Ridiculous History. Wait, so was the ringtone just that guitar lick? Yeah. On a loop. And it was just the loudest thing. And again, open office, everyone's just like,

oh, my God. No, not a kid. They're like, oh, man, you must be bummed. Not a fan of music. I'm a fan of rebels. He's a ringtone rebel. Who even has a ringtone anymore? Yeah, which a kid. They're like, oh, man, you must be bummed. Not a fan of music. I'm a fan of rebels. Right. He's a ringtone rebel. Who even has a ringtone anymore?

You know, it just. Yeah. Which is sad. He bounces. He's silent like a human, you know? Right. Yeah. Like, or just a little buzzing. Or at this point, even the buzzing I had to stop because I was getting phantom buzzings in my leg.

Like, you know, like when you're like, oh, is my shit going? Yeah, it's all bad. All right. Well, we are going to do a half-assed Christmas-themed episode. We don't really have news to talk about today. What do you want to talk about? You want to talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert fighting? Yeah.

Oh, I wonder what Elon Musk did this time. Who cares? Grow up, okay? Grow up. Listener, grow up. We're tired. We don't care what he did anymore. So instead of that, Noel, we are going to get to know you a

little bit better in a moment uh we're also going to just talk about christmas gifts our favorite christmas gifts of all time or the for me the one that got away yeah oh you didn't get that okay no dude i'm fucked up about that that is i thought my favorite christmas gifts were homoerotic, and then I looked at your favorite Christmas gift. It might as well be a sex toy. And, like, the commercial is, like, yeah. It's greasy. A greased-up man with, like, a master blaster from Mad Max body, just, like, standing there with a mask and a gun. Just flexing.

Free underpants, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you need this, little boy. And I'm like, yeah! And put it on your underwear, too. Tidy whities, you know? Yeah.

Remember that when that was a thing? G.I. Joe tidy whities and he-mant. That was a weird thing. Still a thing, man. Yeah. Still a thing with the little boys of today. I have Batman ones. Batman.

We've got some Marvel guys. Incredible Hulk. I'm going to just talk about why I think Christmas movies need to be hornier. Just in general, I think we are suffering from a lack of horniness in our Christmas movies. Amen. Amen. man from home alone so we asked our writer jm all right man it's school's out for for the winter put a movie on and uh just let us know let us know what you're thinking and he has a pretty convincing theory that the old man from home alone is actually a serial killer so i think he's the fisherman from i know what you did last summer. It's an extended universe tie-in. Yeah, that would make a lot of sense, actually.

That makes all the sense. That would explain everything, to quote my favorite viral video from Christmas, where Kiefer Sutherland is told he's a pirate and then says, that would explain everything, and then turns and dives into a Christmas tree. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, the old man for those you don't remember that was like the lonely old guy he was so afraid of and then it's kind of like the

deus ex smashing a moment yeah when he shows up snow shovel right yeah the snow shovel killer all right all of that plenty more but first no we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are so i just looked at this before we hopped on i'd totally forgotten that this was the last thing in my search history as you do with search histories we you know in our line of work we search for a lot of weird shit but the most recent thing is the ship of theseus which is a thought experiment that sort of posits whether an object made of completely unoriginal components, a.k.a. like replacement parts, is in fact still the original object. Yeah. So I don't know.

It's sort of like a Schrodinger's cat kind of situation. I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but it's fun to think about. Yeah, that's a good one. Why did this pop up or what inspired the search? We were actually, Ben and Matt and I, who co-hosted something I want you to know, we're doing an interview with our friend Alex Williams for his podcast Ephemeral about the ephemeral nature of podcasts. And so we were just kind of talking about if something exists only in digital form,

is it really a thing? Especially like a tree falls in the forest kind of question. Like, is it really something you can wrap your arms around? Does it exist in perpetuity? You know, knowing the infrastructure, you know, and like, you know, societal collapse, doomsday times could, you know, literally render us podcast lists. Or the 2038 problem. Right. And since Alex's show is a relatively limited series and it is all about ephemeral kind of objects, we recommended that he press all of his episodes onto wax cylinders and keep

them in a vault, you know, for when this inevitable moment in our history does come so people can enjoy it by, you know, parsing out parts from dumpsters so they can make a hand crank Victrola and listen to Alex's podcast. And you said you said an old school cylinder, right? Not an old. I mean, I'm being silly, but, you know, if I would work a cylinder, maybe magnetic tape that does degrade. It's possible because, you know, like there's so many like vinyl cutters are somewhat affordable.

There they are. And there's even like this company called Teenage Engineering. There they are. And there's even like this company called Teenage Engineering. Speaking of nerdy music shit, we were talking about off air that actually makes a tiny little vinyl cutter that can cut like kind of lo-fi vinyl into these tiny little discs. And then you can use it to sample and make, you know, lo-fi beats for to study to. All right. So, Jack, we need to create we need to create the library of Alexandria of podcasts on vinyl. Every podcast episode ever and then the question became if it has to be pressed or you know put on physical medium then there becomes a hierarchy of which ones are worthy of this treatment because there's just too many out there so is it about

downloads is it about filling certain content categories and having like a you know a nice full kind of representation of like what podcasts were or are it'll be yeah who sold the most casper mattresses yes that will decide entry into the into the whole thing but just for if anybody doesn't know the thought experiment it's like a ship where over a number of years like they keep replacing broken parts to the point that every single piece of the ship is a replacement part. And the question is, is it still the same ship? And something similar happens to our bodies where we're turning over cells, like many of our cells, like on a near daily basis and so you're you know almost 90 percent of you is completely different in any structural form from the thing that you were you know five

ten years ago are you the same person it came up pretty heavily in uh wanda vision um in terms of i think what's his name what's the red-faced robot guy vision vision yeah because you know there's like an evil version of him or whatever and then the ship of theseus question comes up as to whether he is you know himself or whatever because he's been rebuilt completely from scratch yeah damn i'm not even high i was really thinking about that can you feel like i think i think they it's yeah you are the same person and right i mean on some level because on some level yeah philosophically i like the deeper philosophical implications but i wish i could also go up to like a credit bureau and be like that actually is not me 90 of my sales are different from that

person with those i'm a different person reading score literally yeah yeah all right what is something you think is overrated no i think lying to kids about a weird overweight bearded man that breaks into your house and gives you nice things if you behave yourself and undesirable things if you're a bad child is overrated i think it's like we talk about it a lot on stuff that i want you to know about being kind of the original conspiracy that sort of teaches kids and then inevitably adults not to believe the lines that they're fed you know throughout their life and i think it's sort of counterproductive to do this i think maybe kids are a little smarter these days the internet being what it is kids probably figured out a little earlier than they used to but i still think it's a weird thing to perpetuate, you know, a, a, a tradition based entirely on a lie.

Oof. Yeah. It's like, you know, the first, our first, uh, brush up with the panopticon is the all seeing eye of Santa to be like,

Oh, it sort of teaches you to either accept it or fear it and, and not trust it, you know? And I remember just getting so angry. I had a very quick evolution with Santa. Cause again, I was so, like, one-track mind about, like, you said if I was nice, I'd get this. And I didn't get them. Like, then this motherfucker doesn't exist.

And they tried. And I was like, no, I'm off this. Let's just keep this moving. How come Santa makes all this stuff that I see at Target? You know? I don't understand that either. Exactly. Exactly.

It's not like we're getting rocking horses and handmade, like, you know, wooden toys. Like, it's all commercially produced shit. So it falls apart pretty quickly. Do you have the scars of living under the rule of Santa's all-seeing eye? You know, I just remember finding, like, I got a Joe Cool.

Remember Joe Cool? He was like Snoopy, like the cool guy version of Snoopy. I found, it was also, yeah, exactly. I found this like skateboard, this Joe cool skateboard in my parents' closet.

You know, I think, I think everyone has that story, but yeah. And then I was like, I didn't, I don't think I, I didn't really call them on it.

I just sort of let it go for a couple of years. And then I think it came up naturally like it does. I think most kids figure it out before their parents realize they do. And they just keep playing along because they don't want to like wreck the the grift yeah not me i was buying that shit i was like why would they lie to us that's crazy to my older sister you know a couple years back it was hard i remember yeah i remember seeing the gift and getting it on christmas Just being like, weird. They got the same thing for me. I remember getting pissed one year because I found a gift.

I was like, you guys aren't even fucking trying. This shit was in the garage. Just out there. You think I'm not going to look in a Toys R Us bag? We don't have that shit in the house ever. we don't have that shit in the house ever like i yeah it was i think and then most of the time it was just my like mom trying to do her best to like hide shit in the weirdest places so i wouldn't because i was like flipping the house like the feds yeah but yeah once i learned it was a lie i started smoking that was it immediately yeah yeah i was like i switched from joe cool the the

skateboard snoopy guy to joe yeah that's who I thought you were talking about. For some reason, saying Joe Cool just sticks my head in Joe Camel. Oh, Jack? Forgot about him. Don't lie, kid. Here, light on. What's something you think is underrated? I think eggnog is underrated, but that might just be, you know, a lot of people think it's gross. Eggnog gang. I think it's great. Eggnog gang. It's great as a

flavor. It's great as a boozy drink. I like it in like lattes and cakes and whatever. I just love the flavor. And Alex Williams, again, the ephemeral creator and host, every year, at least back when we were in an office, he would george washington's eggnog recipe which contains no less than like eight different kinds of booze and like raw eggs and he gave all the time yeah all the time the vikings basically yeah have you ever read the like list of the booze that was consumed during the time when they were like drafting the constitution what they got like a receipt from like, it's amazing.

It's like bathtub. It's swimming pools of like gin and just like all of the like dark booze that would make you feel like shit and make you incapable of like doing anything. That's all they drank. They partied so hard. It's crazy. And it's crazy. Cause today,

like if you find out that a lawyer or a judge had a drink yeah it's a mistrial but we base our entire democracy on a document drafted by a bunch of booze hounds they were actively drinking you know yeah yeah they they used to make room for functional alcoholics because that was like kind of all there was was because they couldn't like water wasn't really good back then. It was. Is this water been treated with alcohol? Then I cannot drink germs. Yeah.

Where are you going, George? I'm going hanging out with the other slavers to figure some shit out about the country right now. Get the fuck off my back. Yeah. It's a living document. Yeah. Which is so funny i wonder like how if you know someone tried to get one of these like supreme court justices or these like strict constitutionalist type people

when you like bring that up like you're like do you think that may have had any effect like knowing on paper on wax they were fucking smashed too but okay sanctified sanctified yeah all right let's take one one quick break we'll be back. We'll talk our Christmas shit, and then we will bid you adieu. Na gang. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.

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will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of And we're back and yeah so we're we're talking christmas stuff yeah loosely formatted miles you you brought to my attention the most homoerotic child's toy i've ever seen okay so i was just thinking about christmas right and i'm thinking like the last toy I wanted so fucking bad was this thing called the Eliminator TS7 and came out like 92. And I wanted this show so fucking bad. I remember this kid got one for his birthday. I almost had a fucking panic attack because I didn't have that shit. And he had it. I was like, everybody got this fucking thing. But I, I got to play this commercial because I just i was having trouble remembering what it was called and i was just like that 90s toy like gun sword thing

and the fucking commercial comes up immediately yeah the whole thing is that this shitty looking plastic cube thing with a fucking like phallic thing just shooting off the side is like a seven in one weapon but i do want to play the commercial because it absolutely is it not anything like i remember the sword has the silhouette of a dick like they've gone with a like you know rounded sword and then so you think like if you if you watch the you obviously can't see it because this is a podcast format if you're watching it you're can't see it because this is a podcast format. But if you're watching it, you're like, oh, I see what they're talking about. Like the sword has the silhouette of a dick. It's like, and then they added an attachment that is just a, it's just a vibrator.

A throbbing, flashing dick. Yeah. It's just a vibrator. I'll just play the commercial because you will appreciate the 90s sound of this commercial. But please picture Master Blaster. So he has a mask on with like a police helmet. Yeah, a riot cop kind of almost. Yeah, riot cop without a shirt on, just oiled up.

And also he appears to have been miked from across the room. Yeah, his voice is booming. I wasn't sure what I was hearing there. I am the Eliminator. I bring you seven awesome solving weapons all in one. The Power Dagger. He's a little shrimpy. The Laser Sword.

Okay, I'm close. He's jacked. Yeah, pectoral. The Laser Sword. Look at that one. That one's a dick. Then he just put a condom on top of another. Oh, in the back.

Oh, and he hit the gun from the back with the sword. Yeah. And then it like kind of goes through the front the nubbin kind of sticks out the front and this is pre-terminator because that is a terminator text that is terminator font right oh yeah this is nine this is probably like 92 months after terminator came out and we're like yo man they fast track this after t7 oh it's the t of course the dash The dash. Yeah. The Olympic. Amazing. Amazing. Exactly. I was I just remember being like, this is the coolest shit. And then I looked at it again. I'm like, man, fucking marketing fucked me up so bad as a kid that I was just like, I have no fucking use for this stupid thing.

But it's like man meet man is screaming in my face. I will please indoctrinate me. I will please indoctrinate me. I have this distinct memory of going to like a flea market when I was a kid and you know how they have like booths that sell like weird knives and nunchucks and shit like that. There was something that was called a taser knife. And I just always remember that. I'm like, why do you need it to be both? Like, so you tase them and then you stab them? Or is it vice versa?

Or is it just in case they get up close? It just seems like one of the most difficult extra applications of a taser. How do you safely tase somebody with a taser knife? Are you committed to sticking somebody with the blade? And then you're like, actually, I want to go non-lethal

with the taser afterwards. But shout out to you. The S&M vibes are real. His voice is like this i'm gonna what would what would the what would conservatives what would marjorie taylor green say about this commercial because it's clearly meant to be like this is this is boy shit gun knife boy boy you know this is made by conservatives but for the children of conservatives they would probably yeah go ahead but just knowing how sensitive how you know the faux outrage over

anything seemingly like out of the heteronormativity of like you know what they believe how men or women are or aren't that they would be like this guy's naked he looks like one of these like you know snm guys or would they just be like, finally a fucking role model for our young kids. It's a biker cop. I think the latter. I think that, yeah,

I'm with, I'm with Jack. I think they would dig it. I think they would appreciate what it represents. It's got some Chippendale vibes to the glistening pectorals, you know, like even. Yeah.

So even Margie Taylor green's like, I don't know. I mean, he's, he's attractive. Well, she, or she would be like even. Yeah. So even Margie Taylor Greene's like, I don't know. I mean, he's he's attractive. Well, she or she would be like outrage if if this was like, I don't know, it could go either way. It could go. I think I think they would be happy that this was out there. liberal media institution pointed out that it was fucked up and be like you guys are sick okay but then also i feel like invite this guy to their christmas party you know right aren't there pictures of bobert like with male escorts and stuff like with like chippendale types i could have sworn there was some like oh there's all kinds of yeah yeah but yeah then the application the toy itself is extremely phallic

where like different parts of the gun fuck different parts of the gun yeah and there's like a condom that makes the gun bigger or makes the sword bigger and then ultimately there's a laser blaster that is a three-dimensional dick and goes... If only it were also a super soaker kind of situation, that would just really be the cherry on top. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, anyway, bygone toys. And I'm sorry, when you were describing this earlier, I was picturing a He-Man situation.

That's why I said hairy underpants, because he's also an S&M-y jacked kind of, you know, oiled-up action figure. That was my favorite toy christmas present was the he-man castle gray skull really cool yeah and those are worth bank now i mean like all that stuff is like seriously collectible the other one that is similar to this was a machine gun from the a team and i went i was like it couldn't have been as i remember it, which was just a screen-accurate machine gun, like a black metal, metallic-looking machine gun that just had A-Team on the butt.

And sure enough, that's what it was. It was a submachine gun with a box that has one of the characters from the A-Team just spraying someone with machine gun fire. And yeah, it was the Uzi. They have AK-47, M16. Like they have the real names of these things. They're really labeled. I had the Uzi.

It's a clicky sound, right? It just kind of goes, is that the deal? Or is it a cap gun? They even advertised it like makes authentic automatic weapon sounds. Murder sounds. Yeah. Or is it a cap gun? They even advertised it. It makes authentic automatic weapon sounds. Murder sounds. Yeah. Love it. Make your child feel like he's really murdering someone.

He could be just like the Israeli Defense Forces with this Uzi. Who were the bad guys in the A-Team? Were they killing commies or something? Was there a political bent to it? I just have no recollection of this show. I've got to wonder who were they pitted against? I think I remember reading something, something this year that what they had an episode that was like really pro union and they were like fighting people who were like union busters. So maybe like 18 actually had like progressive

politics. I can't, I didn't dig into it as much as i should have but got it yeah i like 18 they're fighting pinkertons and shit exactly okay all right y'all okay they're like oh if we were fucking there during haymarket man fuck like oh shit all right annabelle the a show that is entirely about the worst marksman in the history of gunplay, just shooting into the ground. Just run over a hill and fire an automatic weapon into the ground would seem to be their strategy at all times. While we're still on toys, can I ask you guys,

have you guys heard of Trumpy Bear? Has this crossed your path in any era? Yeah. Yeah, a buddy of mine's dad lives in Queens and is like, you know, Fox News isn't right wing enough for him. So he's a Newsmax dude. And he sent me a video of this like mail order commercial, like from the old days. It was like 800 number for this thing called Trumpy Bear. And he's, you know, double thumbs up.

He's got the swath of, you know, weird hair. And he's, yeah. And he's got like a little zipper pouch on his back of his neck that unfurls like an American flag cape. And he bought it for his dad and posted a video of it on social. And I was just tickled by the existence of this thing. Oh, we should play it. Because the opening is like some fucking James Cameron film. It's like a Tim and Eric thing.

They were like, I think you should leave. It's absolutely bonkers. The wind whispered through the forest, a storm is coming. Okay, QAnon. From the tree's rose resounding voice, I fear nothing. I come when the trumpet

sounds. The way that line was delivered, I come when the trumpet sounds. You're like, okay. I am the storm, the great American Grizzly. Introducing the original Trumpy Bear. Wow.

The fearless, super plush American Grizzly. Look at that comb over. Trumpy Bear was born June 14th. You can style it however you want to. Born Flag Day. Hold that L, you fucking libs. This is wild. I mean, it seems like it's specifically designed to Born Flag Day. Hold that L, you fucking libs. This is wild. Yeah.

I mean, it seems like it's specifically designed to piss off liberal people. Like, yeah. But also, like, but luckily they don't have, like, a very discerning audience. So they're not like, oh, this is a little too hack for me. They're like, just get to the part. Oh, okay. American flag. Great.

Okay, I will buy. I whispered to the part. Oh, okay. American flag. Great. Okay. I will buy whispered through the forest. Such a wild. I came when the trumpet sound. That's what it said. Oh, when whispered through the forest that a storm is coming. Like you just jump straight to Q from that first sentence. But and they and they said the great American grizzly as like that was the climax, which leads me to believe that they did not get the market like the trademark rights to Trump's likeness.

Right. Like that must be why they didn't they don't really like mention Donald Trump. Oh, because it's like a grift on a grift. Yeah. He's like he can sue them. Yeah. like he can sue them yeah i mean it's just cool to watch like guys like this great american grizzly ride around on his fucking motorcycle with this bear or this guy who's like in a golf cart he's like when i'm trying to be racist to asian people that are on this golf course i use the trumpy bear

and the stars and bars flag to let them know i'm hostile yeah do not approach yeah all right let's move on to Christmas movies. Please. Great Christmas presents. Noel, does anything stick out to you? Favorite, favorite Christmas present before we leave? Yeah. What was your favorite Christmas present or one you wanted?

Yeah. I think I got like a Huffy. Remember Huffy's? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got a Huffy. I think it was like, you know, mega boy Huffy.

Like it had like machine gun turrets mounted on it or something. Mega boy Huffy. And it just has like a picture of a young boy, but he's had like machine gun turrets mounted on it or something like that and it just has like a picture of a young boy but he's built like the master blaster dude from totally miles's commercial also now i hear boy and i just think of like paint sniffers you know what i mean like it's just right yeah which was something the kids in my middle school were into so yeah shout out to dayton ohio full circle isn't that where gummo is based might be is it oh yeah man world shitty rabbit stinks like shit so i want to talk about christmas movies so first of all this is something i bring up frequently but if you look at the birthdays in the u.s what we are living through right now, this time period, is actually America's breeding season.

This is when the most babies are conceived in the next couple of weeks, presumably because everyone's indoors. gifts and just being so like market capitalism brained that just getting to buy or steal or you know give things transactions get people high it's also one among the most acceptable times to be publicly drunk which i think always helps with that and then i don't know it's like built in to our system and like into into our civilization that like there there's a giant you know week-long festival around this time to honor the winter solstice and you know laugh in the face of god for trying to kill us yet again with winter and the the thing that we like to do when laughing in the face of god is fuck each other. So I was just thinking about Christmas culture. By the way, the first thing I wanted to do was answer

the question, why so many birds in the 12 days of Christmas? And it's just, there's no real good answer. You're like, before I get to horny, why the birds? That's throwing me off it seems that song seems like it's written by like a bird themed batman villain it's just all birds i have a pretty significant bird phobia you guys oh man i'm sorry i always have i've traced it back to being a kid and my grandpa's taking me to the beach and just throwing breadcrumbs everywhere and seagulls just dive bombing my little boy body.

And it's just a super traumatic. I like, I, it's a sense memory and like, I don't like their twitchy movements. They're very unpredictable, you know? So this would be a nightmare gift for me.

Yeah. Yeah. So many, every fucking day. They make such bad gifts. Also, that's the context of the song is like seven days of just bird gifts, which like they shoot everywhere. Isn't it all birds?

It's up through seven. Our maids and milking aren't like an actual some kind of bird reference. Up through seven, I think it's all birds, except for the five golden rings. No, no. The five golden rings is a reference to like a golden ringed bird. I just saw some tweet about that. What? Yo.

Yes. Really? Yes. What the fuck is wrong with people? But the imagery is always like gold. Oh, okay. That's news. I don't think people fuck.

I don't know. But again, it's Twitter and it's the last day as a Twitter. So, you know, people can say fucking anything and I'll believe it. Right. There was a thing in the office where Andy Bernard was dating Ellie Kemper's character and he did an IRL the 12 days of Christmas and it was just like she was just covered in scratches and bruises from being bird attacked you know yeah but anyways back to the horniness of Christmas so Christmas is our horniest holiday Valentine's

Day be damned you know it is Christmas just naturally even though no one says that we all like the birthdays reveal year after year people are fucking around christmas leo's and virgins yeah and the music reflects that when you listen to the music there are there is it is shot through with sexuality like the you know the classic christmas songs are very horny in a lot of cases. So I'm wondering, like, it feels like holiday movies need to get hornier. I'm identifying a gap here that and it's also, I think, the answer to the question that I know like half of the population has. Half of the population loves the movie Love Actually, and the other half of the population

is like, why is this a thing? Why is this a thing? It's the one with the note cards, right? Yeah, note cards. So my theory is that Love Actually is addressing a need. It's addressing a hole in the market, which obviously there are holiday rom-coms but this is like the most mainstream one and i think it's getting a lot of the attention and a lot of the love that could be taken up by other ones just because it is inhabited by people who are thinking about and having sex

and and that's something that is missing from our holiday movies like most holiday movies are still just like a reskin of either a christmas carol or the grinch or miracle on 34th street yeah miracle on 34th street and you know it's like all these asexual protagonists i i want to be hornier yeah we need more sex in our Christmas movies is what I'm saying. So George Bailey should have been hornier. I get that it's a time when peopleized impact is coming from in our culture. It's the most overtly rapey Christmas song, Baby, It's Cold Outside. Oh, so horny. Yeah. So songs, the songs are, the songs get it. The songs get it. The movies don't.

The songs get it. The songs are like, I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, Hang Low the Mistletoe. Hello? They don't say, but you get the point. The newest, like, all I want for Christmas is you with the accompanying image of Mariah in that Santa suit, I think is one of the most iconic cultural moments of our lifetime. It's like the number one Christmas song now. For so many years, when I was young, all the Christmas songs were kind of set.

And then that thing came through, and she looks great. She looks, you know like i i think the songs get it though you can you can do a lot just with like the the voice and you know just the the vibes that a song is giving off but it's funny man i haven't heard uh all i want for christmas is you once this season yet but i have heard 10 different versions of last christmas by wham every version except the Wham! version, which I love, but these half-assed knockoff covers

are just embarrassing. Why do you even need a cover of that? The original is fantastic. I'm curious, because you like music. There's so many songs people hate during Christmas. The Wham! thing. It's like a trope on the internet of like trying to avoid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I haven't heard it yet this December. So we heard it like in the lead up, somebody like recommended it as an AKA. And so I listened to it then, but someone was like, actually, it doesn't start till December 1st. I haven't heard it since the game started. So I'm living clean. Okay. What's your most controversial favorite Christmas song? Would it be that one?

Yeah, probably. I love that song just a lot. Like I've covered it before myself, like with like a vocoder and very like chromatics, kind of like Italians do it better vibes. But I really love the song Father Christmas by the Kinks because it's just like a good kind of punky, fun, XTC vibe kind of like banger.

I think that's really an underrated song. I think Wonderful Christmas Time by Paul McCartney. I fuck with that. Yeah. Do you really? People think he's so saccharine, though. It's so saccharine. I suck really, man.

It's so fucking wild. Yeah, it's the part. I was just talking with Justin before we got on, and he was like, I think people don't fuck with it because the chord progression is very like simplistic i'm like that's why i love it and then when those synths that delay gets out of control disrespects your sense of hearing like an equilibrium yes and then you got do you really like it yeah oh okay it's so weird what so this is christmas by john lennon which is just such a downer, mega depressing thing. It really highlights their different sides of the Beatles. Wait, so you're

Lennon, Jack? I like that song probably better than the McCartney one. Happy Christmas featuring Toots and the Maytals by Byron Lee and the Dragonairs is my favorite Christmas song. Excellent song. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm over here being like, man, Andy Williams? Shit.

Oh, whoop-dee-doo, and dick-a-reed-dock, and don't forget to hang up your sock. Like, that shit. Hang up your sock. We know what you really mean. Oh, no. I piss off her majesty every time because I add my own lyrics to that.

Yeah. Yeah. I hit the reed-do and dick-a-reed-dock. Andy's shit faced again. Happy holidays. Hey Andy, Andy, Andy.

All right. Sit on my, whoa. Sit on my whoopsie do and the hickory dock. But I think those, I think for, it's interesting from, I always talk about this, like from my experience of like being like not being a white American person and that only being the predominant messaging that was just shot at my face, like through TV and media, like as a child that I have this like very idealistic idea of it that sort of conforms to this like target commercial lexus december to remember type aesthetic that's completely like got me like like that's the

version of christmas i'm like yeah yeah that's christmas so i don't know i don't know if that's a tragedy or not it's a goddamn tragedy is what it is yeah yeah i think it's yeah it's a christmas travesty thanks thanks just wanted to get that out there. So, all right. And finally, we have to get to JM's conspiracy theory. You know, we have one of the very conspiracy stuff purveyors with us. And I think this is a pretty good one. What were people's thoughts initially when the old man from Home Alone came out and saved the day?

Was that he was just like good yeah it's weird i just gave him a pass because he has kids that he the and like he's got a kind face they nailed the casting to the point that he's like hey i i just don't have good dental health care right my my job doesn't have good dental but otherwise I'm a pretty good guy. He's only beaten on the bad guys. So, I mean, yeah. Right, right. It's a pretty violent movie. Brutally violent.

And it's mainly a kid perpetrating all these acts of violence. Which is why it's popular. Is because it's, you know, allowing us to enact our fantasies as children to, you know, just take adults out, I think. Hell yeah. I mean, did any of you ever try and emulate that?

I remember my mom caught me throwing thumb. I did paint cans. Oh, man. I thought I was putting like thumb tacks and shit on the ground. Oh, boy. Rusty nail through a piece of wood. Yeah. No, I didn't go that far.

We only had thumb tacks. My mom was like, what in the fuck is this? I'm like, Kevin! Did you guys see x that uh kind of 70s porn slasher thing with no i didn't mia goth it's really good but there is a literally pulled right out of home alone rusty nail through a board trap in that movie and it's a close-up but they go further than home alone could go y Yikes. So a recent study, first of all, this just interesting little nugget

that they asked people around America, favorite Christmas movie. The number one by kind of a lot is National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. Okay. Which, I mean... Hanging with the Grizz walls, huh? Hanging with the Grizz, you know,

makes us all love Chevy Chase by constantly placing him next to Randy Qu quaid i've never seen it hey man that's that's your assignment for the part where the lights go on our folk with vegas vacation of all the national is that real yo i yes and the cast is all different yeah but that used to be on comedy central like on a loop in the late 90s so that's why i kept seeing it is randy quaid okay now or is he still no like in the wind he's in the wind okay yeah he's whispering in the forest right now the answer is my friends are whispering through the forest that the storm is coming and he is the storm so the fifth most popular holiday classic is home alone and our writer jam wanted

to discuss the old man so old man marley is introduced by buzz who claims that he's the south bend shovel slayer a serial killer who beat a murder rap in 1958 because the cops could never find the bodies he's out back using his snow. So we're kind of led to believe this is probably just a thing. Your older cousin tells you to freak you out, right? Yeah. That's like, hey, the guy's got a shovel. He actually kills people with a shovel. And then we later see Kevin convinces him to reach out to his estranged son.

Their family is reunited for Christmas. But he doesn't really do anything out to his estranged son. Their families reunited for Christmas. But he doesn't really do anything to prove his innocence to Kevin. He doesn't tell us that, oh, I actually just moved here from Australia, where I lived for the entire 1970s and 80s. And 50s. Yeah. So it's... One question.

Yeah. That scene when they're looking at old man marley yeah is he just shoveling fucking aimlessly in a backyard to be shoveling snow in a backyard into a garbage can that's not how you do that yeah yeah i'm like i'm even from i'm look y'all know i don't know the first fucking thing about winter but yeah that i'm like i'm even from i'm look y'all know i don't know the first fucking thing about winter but yeah that i always remember usually shovel the walk i'm like yeah i'm like whose fucking property is that what's he doing like is that a chore you do like just hey man go shovel that one area by the tree that no one's shoveling the forest floor which seems like a fool's errand you know what i mean like right so is that our first setup from the director to be like yo this this motherfucker things something's your eye on him here he's shoveling the middle of the

backyard yeah in the middle of like a backyard that i don't think is his maybe it is but like do they have backyards in illinois or is it like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah no you know how like people some places don't have fucking fences and shit that always bugs me out when i go to that part of america where it's like wait what the fuck y'all don't have fucking fences and shit? That always bugs me out when I go to that part of America where it's like, wait, what the fuck? Y'all don't have a fence? This is also a really fancy neighborhood, by the way. I know. What did he do to get all that money?

There's all this talk about the actor that plays Kevin's dad is also the crooked cop in The Sopranos. He's on Tony's payroll. So there's this theory that it's actually a shared universe. Same universe. on tony's payroll right so there's this theory that like it's actually a shared universe and that he's uh he he is in fact working for the mob because we never get a sense of what he does for a living to afford to take 15 people to france france yeah yeah okay i like that he's in sanitation but for like we do see him use his shovel as a weapon to brutally beat the burglars. It happens at the climax. It definitely doesn't seem like it's his first time using his

shovel that way. That form? He's coming down. Let's this motherfucker have it. How many TBIs would they have suffered in the course of this film? If they were normal people, Harry and Marv, they would have had a traumatic brain injury from the from the first paint can i feel like no question

you're done but like i'm sorry if the if in the movie they were like there's butcher old man butcher marvin he used a butcher knife to kill his family and then at the end he like saves kevin by like using a butcher knife on the people you'd'd be like, oh, he really was the butcher knife guy. So masterfully using the snow shovel and there being a rumor that he was the snow shovel killer. Well, but wait a minute. That posits that the snow shovel killer was real and that Buzz wasn't just making it up in the first place

just to freak out his cousin. We have no evidence of this being a real crime and this being a real moniker. Just putting that out there. So Buzz just happened to guess that this was somebody who... Because it does seem like he's not just a guy who happens to be shoveling snow

at that moment and Buzz makes it up because he's constantly he's like a again like a snow shovel themed batman villain like he always has his snow shovel with him and uses it as a weapon throughout and also seems to be like living in some sort of like tortured existence where he's just like doomed to shovel snow forever like almost like he was punished being punished or putting himself through a punishment you know paying his penance to like a greek tragedy i will snow shovel the links of this earth to pay my penance anyways and and then so here's the other thing so he saves this kid from two bandits who have been like burglarizing homes throughout the neighborhood, neighborhood that this old man lives in for some reason, even though it's not it's not clear.

He doesn't like give off like wealthy old, you know, like retired guy vibes. He gives off like vibes of haunted ex serial killer killer but he saves him but then he takes the bodies of marv and he takes the bodies of the criminals and just leaves them in a home and calls the police and like runs so that's a batman move that's a batman move it's a batman move it's also the move of somebody who doesn't want to attract the attention of the police especially using a weapon that he was like known for killing somebody with i think he's a hero i think he's a hero too and i think and i don't and i don't care if he wants to avoid police okay i understand yeah fuck the cops i'm with him on that i'm just saying maybe this is a much cooler deeper story where this man who committed a bunch of mergers with

a snow shovel was like had has been just paying his penance by aimlessly shoveling snow like just everywhere snow has fallen just or right i'm sorry i did this is this is my hell until I can die. And then he gets his penance by using the same weapon that he used to kill his family to save a child. We have to first presume that he did kill the family. I think to Noel's point, we haven't seen anything that corroborates Buzz's accusation that this man was involved in any kind of murder. You know, that could be hearsay, Your Honor. So maybe what if this guy is a misunderstood hero in the community and they just intimidated by him because he doesn't look as wealthy as the other people in Winneka, Illinois? And just correct me if I'm wrong, but is there any other mention of the South Bend Shovel Slayer as being a thing in the lore of this world?

Or do we just hear it from Buzz that one time? I'm pretty sure we just hear it from Buzz that one time. It just sounds like a thing you'd make up, you know, if you were going to have a creepy sounding, you know, plausible serial killer. Buzz doesn't seem that clever. He's not that smart. That's very true.

That's very true. So somebody might've made it up to him. But again, I don't know. Like those rumors, like we always had this dude who lived up the street from us that our bus stop was in front of and we were like man that guy's like kind of scary and like he was always like moving like these big metal vats like in and out of his garage and we

we had all these theories and like he was a non-vet like there was you know we and like sometimes we would come out of his house and just start shouting at us even though our bus stop was there like every day he was like get off my lawn we're like we're swear to god we're here every single day and we're not even on your lawn dude and then like you know we all had our theories and then like years later he started like sniping people's pets like in the neighborhood yeah so like shooting people's dogs from the wood shit oh so you so there was so you're spying i'm just saying i'm just saying like sometimes like 12 year olds are like sensitive to that well that's so wild there was a guy in my neighborhood his license plate was mr wine on his buick and he will always almost hit me and my

friends on his bike we were on our bikes and he would always almost hit me and my friends on his bike. We were on our bikes and he would always drive like fucking recklessly around us. And we're like, yo, this guy is a fucking like something's wrong. Like he's trying to hurt us. Yeah. Turns out he was just a drunk. He loved wine. Mr. Wine.

Yeah. Like he gave you all the money. He was Mr. Policeman. Yeah. We're like, oh, no, he fucks with wine. And then we found out like he was kind of going through it because like his wife had passed away like damn like three years prior and then like but then all those human details only came out to me in like adulthood from people in

the neighborhood and i was like damn i just thought he was like isn't that a bit of a red flag for cops that plate i mean it seems like mr wine wasted mr wine is like a plausible reason to pull somebody over. Hey, but you know what? Sometimes you just want to be caught. Sometimes you want to be put out of your misery. That's also true. Say if you killed your family with a snow shovel, got away with it, but then we're just constantly aimlessly shoveling in the back of people's yards, not even shoveling their walkway, just randomly shoveling and then being like, what are you looking at? All this talk of him having some sort of penance that he's having to complete, it really makes me feel like they kind of missed an opportunity to have there be a supernatural element.

He's actually a ghost of this guy who aimlessly wanders the forest shoveling forever. That would have been cool. And they could have done it for the pigeon lady in part two too there could have been like this ghost of christmas whatever kind of situation yeah or is it like why are these people always like borderline like unhoused yeah you know that i'd be like same as they're like because i think always the the sort of the weird kid message is like just because they're all like unkempt and stuff doesn't mean they're nasty in fact they might be the homie and like like help you out but there isn't much other humanization

offered to them aside from that this is also a trope i mean it's in like cartoons it's all over the place that's like you know don't judge a book by its cover kind of situation where there's the creepy person and then you grow to realize they're just like me and you and they're actually lovely people with stories about their grandkids exactly or sniping fucking domestic animals sometimes that happens too yeah all right well no it's been a pleasure having you on this our holiday episode where can people find you follow you all that good stuff yeah um i do a podcast with ben bolin and matt frederick called stuff They Don't Want You to Know. You can check that out

and Stuff They Don't Want You to Know wherever you get podcasts and follow us on at Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram. You can follow me personally at

HowNowNoelBrown on Instagram and you can buy the Stuff They Don't Want You to Know book. Like you said, it's not too late. It's a really cool

kind of coffee table book with really great illustrations from our buddy Nick Benson. It really feels kind of like a graphic novel. It's a nice hardback. You can get that wherever books are sold. And I also do a podcast with Ben Boland called Ridiculous History that you can find anywhere podcasts exist. There you go. Miles, where can people, oh, sorry. And Noel, is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, I found, I just recently found out what a Nepo baby was.

So I've been kind of fascinated with this concept. And Gloria Oladipo from The Guardian posted, if I was a Nepo baby, people would literally never see or hear from me. I would spend my parents' money in absolute silence and peace. And that seems like the pro move there. Yeah. That's right. A lot of the ones I know, they're like, I want nothing to do with work.

Yeah. Wow. Must be not cool. Good for you. Yeah. The thing I learned from my parents is work sucks. They were very unhappy. Yeah.

Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well, first off, thank you to everybody for rocking with us this year. Yeah. As we sign off from last like main recorded episode. And obviously we'll be having some evergreen stuff. But yeah, I hope everybody has a fantastic. We got a bunch of good evergreen stuff.

We've recorded almost all of it already. And it's a lot of fun. Super producer Ana Hosnier. Super producer Becca Ramos. Yeah. All the homies are there. So check that out. But yeah, I just want to say thank you to everybody and looking forward to next year. And I hope you have a restful break and you're able to spend time with those that you give a fuck about because that's what it's about.

discourse uh but dr anna hughes at anna g a anna g hughes on twitter tweeted learning that quote five golden rings is not in fact is not in fact referring to five literal golden rings but to five ring-necked pheasants aka more birds uh that shit really had me yeah then uh jamie loftus had jamie loftus help tweeted also get ready for University. Wow. This one's a fucking banger. Jack, I mean, Jack is improvising a fucking whole ballad. Five whole seconds of a song. Yeah. It's pretty wild. But at Jamie Loftus Help tweeted,

man, I just had a cab driver who spent the first half of the ride describing all the times he's gotten blackout drunk before getting on a plane and the second half about how his greatest wish is to see an eagle in the wild. People are so cool. I love talking to them so much. We finished the ride with him recapping Grizzly Man and I

said, oh yeah, that's Grizzly Man and he said, nope, it's not. Perfect. Wow. That's my favorite Christmas movie, by the way grizzly man yeah that's a good one cocaine bear is about to add to the that that's what i meant not more horniness more bears oh okay in our christmas movies that's what we actually want because that's what we're doing we're hibernating like bears and also we're hiding from bears. And so we just need more bears in our Christmas movies. More Trumpy bears. Nah.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Let's see. Kirk Cousins of the NFL. Kirk Cousins of the NFL Cousins is asked the question, can someone explain to me the difference between these three brands, LL Bean, Land's End and Eddie Bauer? And I it was at that moment that I realized those were three separate brands. They had all occupied the same brand in my brain prior to that tweet. At least LL Bean and Land's End did. So isn't LLB the one that you could do unlimited returns?

I don't know. Or they had to start, like, because their products are, like, guaranteed for life. So if they start wearing down, like, you can go and, like, they exchange it. Is that right? I thought that was Patagonia. No, no, no.

And I think it was, like, where... I think there's, like, a This American Life story, too, where then eventually they had to, like, pull back the policy because people were just, you know, taking advantage of it. Yeah. Anyways. Great job on Twitter this year, folks.

Keep coming back. I don't know why you wouldn't Twitter the best place to hang out. And yeah, thanks for listening to us. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Oh, well, Terry Hall of the Specials passed away recently, and as somebody who is a big ska fan. Somebody who's, you know, ska was like one of the only context for me playing trumpet was cool in the 90s. So I was like, yeah, I'm fucking with it.

I wanted to go out on one of my favorite songs from the specials, which is a message to you, Rudy, but not the album version. They did a live version on the old gray whistle test uh from 1979 so this is the specials a message to you rudy the old gray whistle test version all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast for wherever you uh find podcasts. Ran out right at the end. Just got it over the finish line. That's going to do it for us this morning.

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