The Daily Zeitgeist - TDZ Trends 5/3: Roe v. Wade

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Starting point is 00:02:09 That's Miles. We are also joined by super producers Becca Ramos and Trisha Mukherjee. Yeah, yeah. Hello, hello, guys. Thank you guys for being on, Mike. We are obviously talking about the leaked Supreme Court opinion that suggests that the Supreme Court is about to overturn Roe. And yeah, just trying to make sense of our outrage.

Starting point is 00:02:40 Yeah, I got a lot of my outrage out on tomorrow's episode, but my first thoughts with all of this is I'm so angry that I'm so angry that I ever believe that there's the potential for progress. And I'm really frustrated by how easily things are taken away from people, especially when it relates to things so important as like body autonomy. And yeah, it's I'm like trying to figure out what I do with my energy. I'm I'm not like I see a lot of takes of like, you know, like this is what happens when you voted for Hillary or how come RBG didn't. Like, yeah, while all those things may help to answer some of the why like i don't know if that's the best place for my energy like i feel like now i'm at a point where i'm sufficiently uh incapable of believing that the democrats can do anything that equates to protecting people

Starting point is 00:03:40 helping people like you know at at a level that the people who would most benefit from it benefit to its most optimal level. And now I'm just thinking of how I can help my community, how I tap into those resources. That's just kind of my first. Yeah, today felt like, if we take a step back and remember summer 2020, when it was like the dystopic, you know, time of like being at your corporate desk, supposed to like answer your emails and be on your calls. And at that time I worked in advertising.

Starting point is 00:04:13 So it was like, I don't know, pitch campaign work about diversity and inclusion while like you're watching people die in front of you every day that look like you. That's kind of how I felt waking up today as like a woman, as a woman of color, as someone from Texas and as someone who's like historically had, you know, since I hit puberty discrimination with women's health care, you know, that's before this became a big topic that like Roe v. Wade would, you know, be overturned or whatever. Like since I was 15, I've had issues at doctor's offices being heard, being seen. You know, I famously had my very first gynecology appointment. I remember the doctor was my mom's doctor when she got to Texas and my mom was married when she got to Texas. So, you know, my mom didn't think

Starting point is 00:05:03 anything of like whatever care that she got of that doctor, but I was coming in to get birth control for the first time. And the doctor, um, could not comprehend that I was getting birth control to actually prevent pregnancy. Like it was because I was too young and I wasn't married. She like truly was like, well, like, do you have painful periods? And I was like, no. And she was like, do you have irregular periods? And I was like, no. And then it wasn't until like a few months later when I was like, I don't feel like this is doing anything for me. Like it's not working for me. I go to a different doctor like, oh, well, she didn't prescribe you a birth control that was actually, you know, of a high enough dosage to prevent pregnancy. So it's like,

Starting point is 00:05:46 because that doctor discriminated against me, like, I could have become pregnant without choice of my own. And I felt robbed of my own autonomy. And that just became the narrative, I think, at every doctor's appointment I've had since then. So, you know, this is not a new issue, but it is now a scarier issue. And I think as women, we are hurting because it doesn't like you were saying, Miles, it just doesn't seem like there's nothing we can do to like be heard, that our rights can just be despite us talking, despite it being very much in the polling, that we do not want this overturned as like the popular vote that it can just because there are white conservative men and women who do not believe in our rights to autonomy and want to create a new working class. They want to, you know, as I think it's very clear, abortions do not reduce just because it is legal or illegal. You're just going to have more unsafe abortions,

Starting point is 00:06:47 which is the whole reason Roe v. Wade got passed in the first place, because there was many unsafe abortions. Women were dying from pregnancy, dying from lack of care. So yeah, I just, it's very emotional. It's like, it's a very, you know, I care about many issues as, you know, a person of color in this country, as a woman in this country, but this obviously always it's close to home as someone who deals with getting bodily autonomy all the time. I have an IUD because I was afraid of this when this conversation started, you know, last year.

Starting point is 00:07:17 I have friends who are like dealing with like, do I even want to have kids anymore because of things like this? Like, I don't want to have a daughter who doesn't have proper choice. Or there are people I know in Texas who are adults that are like, I'm with my husband and we are, you know, pregnant. And honestly, I wasn't ready to get pregnant. I thought, you know, and now I can't get an abortion because I am past eight weeks. And that's like insane. And these are even like people who have pregnancies that have issues, right?

Starting point is 00:07:50 They have, you know, there is something wrong with the fetus. There is, the fetus could kill them and they cannot get abortions because some weird man decided that, oh, that fetus, that unborn fetus deserves more rights than you, the living person creating the life. Yeah. I think like Becca said, I just feel just so much grief right now. As Miles was

Starting point is 00:08:15 saying earlier, right now it's just so sudden and shocking that this decision was leaked that it's hard to rally yourself to, you know, jump on it immediately when you're just completely overwhelmed that this is a possibility. And I think, yeah, just like Becca was saying, there's so much of women's reproductive rights and healthcare in the past has been created, or sorry, controlled by men,

Starting point is 00:08:43 like even from birth control, when all of these medicines are created in very, you know, questionable ways where they were given to women who weren't consenting and they would give them a lot of different, you know, medical conditions. But then when women spoke up about it, they were just completely dismissed by the men who were behind it. I think it's a very similar thing with abortion, where it's like, why aren't these decisions being made by men, when it's really women who will have to carry a, you know, like, a child to term for nine months of their lives, not any small amount, and maybe multiple times too. um i think it really makes me feel let down by the

Starting point is 00:09:29 u.s and it makes me ashamed in a lot of ways to be an american because uh colombia legalized abortion a few weeks ago i believe and that was a huge victory for reproductive rights um and the u.s always has this idea of like we're the best and we're the most progressive etc but then why are we going backwards while other countries around the world are going forwards even in ireland the abortion struggle is was a was a big uh victory for reproductive rights activists and that's a country that has really been in the trenches of you know religious motivations to restrict abortion and yeah it's just um i know like several friends and family members who have had abortions um recent years and another thing i just wanted to say is it's not

Starting point is 00:10:21 easy to get an abortion even now when it's legal and we're at least I'm based in New York um where it is uh you know a democrat-run state it's mostly liberal you still have to wait for weeks and weeks to go to Planned Parenthood it still costs hundreds of dollars to get an abortion at a clinic um Luckily now there's amazing women doing entrepreneurship through male abortions by male, which is very safe, et cetera. But unless these organizations, especially in Southern states

Starting point is 00:10:53 where abortion is at risk, that enough funding and enough support and really just all the resources we have poured into them, I think there's like so many lives of women um and really anyone who can get pregnant at this so yeah i'm just i'm very devastated and yeah i hope that like people yeah it's it's hard to think of like what we can do since this is so up to the supreme court but i hope people can mobilize as much as possible to help whoever needs an abortion get one.

Starting point is 00:11:26 Thank you guys both for speaking on, you know, on this, on what I know is very, like, painful day. We talk a little bit on tomorrow's episode about this messaging coming from the Democratic Party that's like, and this is why you have to vote type shit. that's like and this is why you have to vote type shit and that feels like it cannot be a thing that they that because i think part of the reason we're in this position is because they are using this as a thing that could happen if you don't vote for us like it feels like that that we can't let them have that like have them be like yeah well we're the other option and that that side is fucking crazy like it just feels so so shameless and like yeah i'm just it's an insult it's insulting to say that because right you're you're almost saying that the whole process of having elected officials and what that means for legislation, that that's moot.

Starting point is 00:12:28 If there's a problem that you said you're going to solve and you have the votes to do it, yet you just can't get organized enough or properly negotiate your way to get the votes and get these votes together, I'm having a lot of trouble understanding what good you do me the regular person because i see the good you do pharmaceutical companies i see the good you do raytheon and lockheed martin because didn't you say jack joe biden was making a statement on his way to walking into like walking into a lockheed factory like that's fucking america right there we just said fuck your freedoms but hold on i gotta talk to dad because we're trying to get this deal going for a lot of bang bangs to sell to because that's the priority and look at the few times we have bipartisanship had to do with like arms deals yeah and i think that's really revealing that again i think so and there's been a few tweets to the sentiment about like man congress is just an arms dealer that's what they can that's what

Starting point is 00:13:30 they can get it together that seems to be the only time they can get it together anything else fucking debt fucking taxes voting for now fuck that you need fucking bombs yeah man here's fucking nearly unanimous i think the scariest part is, obviously, if this gets overturned, it's, like, up to the state by state, right? And it's, like, up to hoping that you live in a liberal enough state that will take care of you. But just to Trisha's point, you know, you can be in a liberal-ass city like New York City and still have issues getting an appointment, getting all that stuff done. So, you know, like, it does it does feel very like paralyzing to be and it's it's crazy to say that as someone with so much privilege right like it's like i have an iud i have health care through my you know uh work provider like i and i still have fears you know

Starting point is 00:14:21 like i can't imagine being like you know know, my mom is a teacher, right? She's taught K through 12 pretty much my entire life. And for a while, she taught high school for like 12 years. She's in middle school right now. And she had many students be pregnant throughout the years, you know, who did not have access to health care, did not have access to education, who ended up having those kids and had very difficult lives because of having those kids and that's only going to get worse from here because how many states have the um what's it trigger laws i think 13 have trigger laws yeah i'm pretty sure texas is one of those i know louisiana is one of those probably the whole bible belt um that's terrifying someone asked me the

Starting point is 00:15:02 other day they were like you really would never move move back to Texas. Like even if your partner got a job. And I said, no, because so many of my civil liberties are apprehended in that state. Like it's so, uh, it's all we can do right now is sadly because our legislators and our, you know know elected officials are not looking at our best interests is you know organizing locally i can't even imagine i feel like we've protested so much the past few years since the pandemic has started and i feel like they are not listening to our you know right to free speech that it's going to come down to crowdfunding it's going to come down to those mutual aids it's going to come down to miles made a's going to come down to those mutual aids it's going to come down to miles made a joke about this as we were getting on as to like hey do you need

Starting point is 00:15:50 a ride like literally you need money crowdfunding what do you need services yeah like because i can't i can't take i can't take nancy pelosi seriously that like i've not been able to for many years and i don't think democrats realize how bizarre they come off when you're looking at such a massive existential threat like body autonomy and your answer is like oh they they got midterms coming up i'm sorry what i don't give a fuck i give a fuck about the people in my life who are so scared that they have no basic freedoms that shit is terrifying not a red wave at this point fucking i'll let the red wave hit by by all fucking measurements the republicans are in power yeah it's clear that like we you know we voted for jo for Joe Biden. I voted for Joe Biden. I can't speak for y'all. I voted for Joe Biden because I

Starting point is 00:16:47 obviously did not want Donald Trump to be president again. But like, what has changed? You know, and I'm not saying I was happy. I obviously was very critical of him up until and throughout his presidential process. But, you know, at this point, it's like what's changing? You know, nothing.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Nothing's changing you it's not going infinitely worse but obviously with this leak it is you know it's like what is it has confirmed a lot of judges and biden has also he did some good stuff and biden is also going to do some other good stuff that's like how people talk when you start getting if you get in your bag in front of a big d democrat about like i don't know i look at more people who live in terror or about the same amount of people that live in terror than when trump was in office right so what's the fucking difference i'm if and if i can't spot that a lot of voters will because a lot of voters can vote from their place of comfort and many are comfortable enough where whether that's because of their class this isn't as big of a deal because they'll have access to health care or whatever or they're just you know insulated where those problems aren't really

Starting point is 00:17:53 getting to them but health care and bodily autonomy like the fact that that you know feels like a privilege in this country is all you fucking need to know yeah you know that that's a privilege in this country and not a right you have the right to die broke in this country that's about it and the biden the the biden sales pitch that you just cited that i absolutely bought and you know voted for joe biden because he's not Trump and I don't want Trump to be the next president. That got the most votes for a Democratic presidential candidate of all time. And that, I think, seems to them to be a winning strategy. It's the only way to explain what they've done with the power they've had for the past two years which is fucking nothing that is going to upset a lobbyist and corporate donors so their strategy is we are the good guys only in comparison to the very bad yeah exactly it's a devil you know versus the devil you don't you know like that's kind of

Starting point is 00:18:57 where we're sitting yeah and i'm i'm about to be like well i'm off this devil shit yeah because i don't fucking i don't either one it's bad news for everybody yeah so we you know i've been i've god can you imagine if we saw any kind of normalization of talk of alternatives to this form of governance that we're under on tv or in the newspaper or even talk of the need for a real insurgent third party to say like guess what bro we can fuck all this up right now because we're actually trying to live for equitable outcomes for people we're not just talking about it and we get that it's complicated on the hill but we're not gonna lie to people we'll go put our bodies down to try and get those votes and if we can't then

Starting point is 00:19:40 we can redouble our efforts but the hard part is the way that politics work in this country, there's just so much to dismantle before you can get to a point where you can look at it and say, I think things might be able to actually reflect what people want in this version. Because we can't. There's so much money in politics and outside spending. Until the constituents or who these politicians are beholden to nothing's going to change and

Starting point is 00:20:10 the game is set up so that the constituents are merely just like the means to the end of just staying in office yeah i think like in the absence of the government doing anything about it one thing that is encouraging even though you know we shouldn't have to rely on it it should be the government protecting us is that there have been amazing efforts by women activists like really close to the ground um building networks to you know like drive people to places where there are abortions um in the 1960s there was a whole network network of women where they would put up ads in newspapers saying, if you need an abortion, call Jane, and they would have a number. And so there was a whole, like, codenamed Jane abortion network where women were really just building solidarity and helping each other get abortions. get abortions. This was all before Roe v. Wade in 1973. But I think that the fact that people care so much about this issue and are so dedicated to helping others get care is really important.

Starting point is 00:21:14 And that said, those networks still exist and that activism still does exist. I think now it's especially important to focus it on women of color. I think that has been ignored historically in women's movements and in reproductive rights movements. But this overturning will really affect women of color, especially in southern states. And so I think, you know, if whoever is listening to this donates, which I really hope you will, I'm definitely going to donate. whoever is listening to this donate which i really hope you will um i'm definitely going to donate there's a lot of amazing mutual aid funds um that enable women of color to get free or low-cost abortions yeah you had researched one called sister song yeah seems really great people should go check that out and we'll link off to it in the uh description of this episode and you know these are just examples of like we keep ourselves safe you know we're turning to each other in this

Starting point is 00:22:10 moment that the fact that you know i know some people are like well what happened joe well you can spin your wheels there or you can get your head in the game too and if you're compelled to really contribute to helping people get access to abortions and and any kind of birth control that these are the groups that are you know like i'm not these aren't people who are like yeah i'm just lying so i can get uh voted into city council no these are people whose life's work is to say i want to ensure that people have safe access to to birth control and any kind of reproductive care that to me is more compelling than you know getting into this wishful thinking of like someone coming down from the capitol hill and writing everything one point i thought people

Starting point is 00:22:57 make in the context of like what things because i think a lot of articles are being written about like this is what it was life was like before row and like the, um, so to prepare yourself, but the police state has been drastically developed in the years since the, the sixties. And it's a scarier time to do anything that is like against any law because the,

Starting point is 00:23:25 you know, military industrial complex is now like fused with the police basically. So that's not the, that's just to say like the, like this needs all of us, you know, it's, it's not a small,

Starting point is 00:23:39 it's like everything, you know, unfortunately we're not going to be able to handle, you know, police violence without us figuring out like we are the people that we can rely on. Can't. Yeah, we have. I have not seen anything that makes me feel that. Politicians are taking this seriously and unfortunately, especially the way our system set up, it's only exacerbating like every other problem. especially the way our system's set up,

Starting point is 00:24:03 it's only exacerbating every other problem. We're looking around like, what the fuck? How are we all being like, climate change is bad, but y'all are not doing anything? This feeling is so pervasive that I feel like the next step energetically people need to say, you know what? Go ahead and mourn Nancy Pelosi

Starting point is 00:24:19 saving your ass and start operating in reality too where the most effective ways we're going to be able to help each other is just through through mutual aid through connecting to our communities and working collectively um and while there are some benefits to the things that you know there are government services that can be offered when it comes to these bigger picture ideas they're just they're way too many competing interests to actually just do the thing that's right for a person you know i think that's that's the one part I'm trying to focus on is that there are, like you're saying, Trisha, there are people that this isn't something that we're just going to turn our backs to. But part of this fight is now if that's the reality we're living in, then we have to be of good enough heart and spirit to say that I want to at least be a cog in a wheel that is

Starting point is 00:25:05 moving in a positive direction yeah these people on the ground i think are like real true heroes um especially just given the amount you know hate harassment like death threats and everything that any kind of abortion activism attracts um online kind of crazy to think by trying to save like the life of a fetus you're threatening someone like to kill someone else um but yeah so it's just truly incredible work um and so i think you know the more voices are thrown in the room especially from men because it doesn't seem maybe like an issue that directly affects men as much but i think this truly needs everyone yeah i mean it is a men's issue as my i mean it is a woman's issue because our bodies but because it doesn't seem maybe like an issue that directly affects men as much, but I think this truly needs everyone. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:46 I mean, it is a men's issue as much. I mean, it is a woman's issue because our bodies, but it's like, we don't get there by ourselves, you know, like it takes two to tango,

Starting point is 00:25:54 so to speak. And it's very frustrating that men feel like, well, it's not my body. So whatever. I don't have to like think about it, but it's like, where by condoms, like do not

Starting point is 00:26:06 pressure women into sex without proper contraceptive. Do you know, look into vasectomies. They are reversible in the way that hysterectomies simply aren't, you know, I definitely want to see more men activating. I also want to see more men willing to do their part in contraceptive care i feel like it's such a narrative among men to be like oh i won't get a vasectomy yeah right no no no like it'll hurt like you know what if i can never have kids again it's like well imagine how we feel every day having to try all these different contraceptives that honestly there has not been enough research done and really a lot of unethical research done on how they affect our bodies and if we will become sterile and xyz when like it has been proven that vasectomies are safe and

Starting point is 00:26:53 reversible and cheap you know how expensive a hysterectomy is they have to take out your whole part like a vasectomy is an outpatient procedure so i do want to see more men being active vocally and also in their actions of like no more coercion of sex without condoms. Like it is, you know, a very pervasive thing. And I think the sexual health of our nation that men don't want to wear those types of contraceptives because they don't feel good. And it's expected that women take on the sole burden of not getting pregnant, of having the contraceptive, of whatever. Choosing to be celibate or not because they're so afraid of having sex

Starting point is 00:27:33 because of getting pregnant. Right. It's, yeah. I'm just, I'm at a loss for words. I'm just, you know,'m, I'm just, I'm at, I'm at a loss for words. I'm just, you know, and I, and because I really do, I see how it intersects with my own life, but also gender philosophically,

Starting point is 00:27:53 right? Like I think people who listen to this show, like we're, we, we try to, you know, advocate for the freedom, the liberation of people,

Starting point is 00:28:03 right? That no, no matter who you are, as long as you're not hurting people, that however you that no no matter who you are as long as you're not hurting people that however you choose to live or who you are that that's not vilified or illegal and to go and have these these moments like this you really have to refocus and realize how much we all like we have to pull for each other because this is they count on men sitting this shit out. That's how most shit works.

Starting point is 00:28:27 A lot of white people sat out 2020. They're like, I don't know, man. They're not fucking people like me up. That sounds like their problem. I know it's bad, but they're not fucking me. So it's less of an issue for me. And that's why it's so hard for us to really get organized to to help each other and advocate for each other because so easy to go and silo yourself off and bury your head in

Starting point is 00:28:50 the sand and not want to acknowledge how terrifying this shit is but it eventually comes to your doorstep if it's not if it's not this it's going to be same-sex marriage and if it's not that who knows you're gonna have enough wacky people in the South to be like, no, man, mixed race people are illegal. I've already seen people talk about loving and act like they didn't know if it's a good or bad idea to say, I don't know, let them decide. It's good. As it unravels, it will get to you no matter what. And we got to have the strength to notice these moments where we have to

Starting point is 00:29:24 really stand shoulder to shoulder. and you gotta we gotta have the strength to notice these moments where we have to really stand shoulder to shoulder even if you don't even if you can't believe well i'm not literally the person affected by it that's not how we get through any of this shit because guess what for me to feel like age that we're gonna tamp down on asian hate or black discrimination i need white people i need i need other people. I need Jewish people. That's how we create the numbers to do shit. When we start going, well, okay, I don't know if that's mine. It is.

Starting point is 00:29:52 It is. If you give a fuck, if you have a heart, then you have to fucking, you have to treat all of these attacks on people, even if they're no matter how marginalized, as a threat to you. Because that's just, it's going to hit the people on the fringes first. Then it gets to the middle. But to act ignorant and say, well, that's not a problem, it's going to be to our own detriment. There's a statistic that one in four women in the US will get an abortion by age 45. Like one in four. So chances are, like one in four. So chances are,

Starting point is 00:30:24 you know, someone you know has had to get an abortion or has thought about it. Um, and chances are maybe they haven't said anything or maybe you don't know because there's so much stigma around it. But I think, yeah, just like anyone could get into this situation and, uh,

Starting point is 00:30:41 it could be someone you love. In fact, likely it is. So it's like, like yeah we need compassion there and we need to be invested yeah i think there's an there's a an urgency problem with a certain part of the population that um is more prone to the just vote and vote blue no matter who type uh talking points and like that's i would i would just think before that is your answer to this and uh you give that out and maybe maybe talk to some people

Starting point is 00:31:12 who might be affected uh by this or could potentially be affected by this before you start giving out solutions that uh have been there for uh you know 50 years and have not uh helped us avoid this exact situation it's violent to even say some shit like that to be like we got at this point no no no we're not doing that yeah we're not doing that but they're the threats are too real to so many people and i don't know if maybe i don't know if like because real to so many people. And I don't know if maybe, I don't know if like, because so many different communities in this country feel the stakes to the threats that they face, whether you're poor or you're an LGBTQIA community

Starting point is 00:31:55 or a person of color, woman, whatever. But I don't know if this, if somehow this can help people move a little bit forward to understanding what the actual stakes are for everybody and not just being like, well, and if the Republicans gonna... They're already overturning it.

Starting point is 00:32:15 So you don't even have the threat of overturning Roe anymore to motivate somebody. Anything that isn't like... And we're not going to hear it of them being like we completely fucked up and we need to do better yeah a lie that they do love to tell about themselves is that they are the moral majority uh they did that a lot in the 70s which keeps coming up because i guess we're

Starting point is 00:32:37 like moving backward through time and so now we're like i don't even know if the 70s i guess we're headed for the 50s but but that's not true. They're not the majority. No. There are more of us than there are of them. There was somebody on MSNBC who is pro-life that said that eight out of 10 Gen Zers believe Roe should be overturned, which shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 00:33:01 Was that a fucking boomer with like a spinning hat on? I would love to know what eight out of 10 kids they found. Yeah, what 10 kids they found. We found eight and we put them in a group of two others. Two other kids who are actually Gen Z people and represent them. But yeah, great job, MSNBC. Please platform the pro-life people at a time when this is in the news yeah no really good but pass the mic that way they need to hear it because they're right oh wait no they're living out their political

Starting point is 00:33:33 fantasy yeah pro-life has never been pro-life it has been pro-control pro-creating a working class pro you know everything bad because if you were truly pro-life the adoption system wouldn't be the way it was health care would look a lot different and people would not be dying from failed pregnancies like it's just it's it's not yeah it's not for life you care about the baby after they're born you actually do something to care they're like oh what about nothing pro-life mortality in black mothers no okay yeah because that's that's not exponentially higher but and again and i mean and i feel like we say versions of this all the time and i think that's why like this i don't know i don't know how quickly we can get people majority of people talking about like seriously that these people

Starting point is 00:34:26 are a bunch of fuck-ups like a lot of people have been saying and i don't know how many more times you need to watch this happen before like yo i think this shit's bad but it's bad it's fucking it's this bad it really is and i think people need to i don't know man we just gotta we just we need to really take this breath uh but we really need to be I don't know, man, we just got up. We just, we, we need to really take this breath. Uh, but we really need to be there for each other going forward. Cause I, I really see that as that's, that's the thing that's giving me any kind of comfort is to look at the people I'm looking at right now on this call and saying, I know these people get it.

Starting point is 00:34:59 I know other people that get it. We need to be more vocal so we can see that we're all out here. Because it's so easy to see some shit like this and think, oh man, we're outnumbered. But only 30% of the country articulated that they wanted to overturn Wade. Yeah, in polling. For many polls, not just a poll. Poll consistently believes that that is the truth of who the people in this country actually are.

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