The Daily Zeitgeist - TDZ's Top 5 Of 2023: #3 No Further Answers Your Honor (9.8.23)

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

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Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeart on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hey guys so i've always wanted to do some sort of like top episodes of the year rundown thingy this year i had a little extra time before taking off for the holiday. And so kind of threw something together just based on like what the episodes were that you listened to the most in future years. I'd like to open it up for voting, get your input.

But for this year, we're just going to be rerunning each of the top five episodes while we're on holiday break. And yeah, here is your number three most listened to episode of the year. I hope you enjoy. Hello, the internet and welcome to season 303, episode three of Dear Daily Psychos. A production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Friday, September 8th, 2023. Never forget. Never forget.

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It's Miles Gray in the boot of Italy. Miles have focaccia. But let me get to the actual part of the chorus here where it goes, Miles in the boot again. Was in Italy, baby. fettuccine baby focaccia bread brain uh shout out to tal mary on the discord for giving us that loser back italy aka mashup well that third voice that you hear they're coming from poolside coming to you from poolside hell yeah is one of our favorite guests one of your favorite guests a writer an actor one of the funniest stand-up comedians doing it

fuck yeah she has one of the best comedy specials of the year called bitch grow up you can go watch on max you must go watch it on max immediately we have to say it you know we have to say no you don't have to do the promo let Let us do the promo for you. Please. It is the hilarious. Those are non-union gigs. Marcella Arguello! Marcella Arguello! Thank you so much. It's me,

Beyonce. Thank you so much. I am the mayor. Happy belated birthday. I am the mayor. Thank you so much. Headlining the Hollywood Improv improv september 15th la come check me out oh shit okay it's my birthday is it yeah yeah come ruin it come watch me yeah why not come let me ruin your birthday my show you'll be like oh this motherfucker's actually here birthday girl in the audience oh Oh, no. It's my birthday.

We got a drunk birthday party. It's my birthday. My favorite thing to do when people are at comedy shows, when they interrupt my side going, it's my birthday. I'm like, bitch, this isn't Applebee's. I don't give a fuck that it's your birthday. I always get to laugh. I'm not going to sing to you.

Yeah, I'm like, I don't care, girl. This isn't Applebee's. Oh, bitch, shut the fuck up. Another year and you haven't learned to calm down. You're like, oh, shit, let me get this, bitch. Oh, I got a candle right here for you. Let me light it. Oh, here it is.

Smoke on that. Yeah, there it is. Middle finger exposed, everyone, for all those listening. Yes, thank you. Thank you so much for having me back. It's me, Beyonce. I am the mayor. Did you go to the Beyonce show?

I wish I did. My foot injury stopped me from knowing I could commit to so much walking and standing. If I had to guess what happened to your foot, it's that you broke it off in some fool's ass. Yeah. Sideways. Is that true? Some fool's ass? Is that what you said?

I guess that's what I said. Yeah. I don't know why I said that. He's the cool guidance counselor. I guess that's what I said. Yeah. I don't know why I said that, but he's the cool guidance counselor.

Mike has a very unique, unique foot injury because I heard it in two spots. He was like, I have never seen anything like this. Um, because what I did was I sprained it and then I ignored the signs that it was actually badly injured and I injured it. And in two other spots, so tendonitis,

a torn ligament that is almost fully healed and then um some shit happening on the bottom yeah it's a disaster and it's been now almost a year of it so um but i'm getting i'm healing i'm getting better i couldn't go see beyonce because i saw her once before and it was a lot of walking from the car to the stadium to your seats to the bathroom to get a drink to buy merch like it's a lot on top of she did three hours. And that's what I was informed of early on. And I was like, yeah, I can't handle that. So too much.

I wish I could have. But I was also very happy because throughout all of her shows, especially in L.A., I got a lot of messages from people that were like, every time she talked, I thought of you. Every time she opened her mouth, I was was like that's how marcella does that and it brought me so much so much joy really wore my spirit that i was with people at the because it was it's such a beautiful like album you know it's so loving and that's what she's all about and i love that i was there with everybody so it was cool yeah your energy was channeled even there it's so yes so that was cool all rightcella, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. We're just going to do a quick check in on Donald Trump and we're going to hear from him. You know, everybody's talking about him. Right. What's he have to say about what's going on with him? Because that's got to be trustworthy. Right. Yeah. It's important to know what he thinks. Right, right. Because it's valid and rational.

Yeah. We'll talk about the way that AI could be used in healthcare and then how it's actually probably going to be used and just be bad. Be bad. It's going to be bad. We'll talk about Rotten Tomatoes being full of shit, like more than we even thought i guess

because it's easy to rig the system turns out they rig yeah you can you can pay for reviews you can just like hire some low-level reviewers to boost your score up so all of that plenty more but first marcella we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history oh my god my search history right now is filled with questions about tears of the kingdom so i'm playing the new zelda game and every time i i try to work on something some side quest or some shrine and i can't figure it out i just google it because i could give a fuck right you know i don't care and the last one was really funny because um there's a character there's a monster character um who's obsessed with monsters his name is kilton and he's asking you to take pictures of other monsters so he can create

um he can get like statues of these monsters made onto his property and as i'm doing them you know you get like good rewards yeah as i'm doing them i'm like wait a minute are all these monsters going to come to life and I'm going to have to kill them? And this is actually creating a problem and I probably shouldn't be doing this. So the last Google search was me trying to figure out if that's what happens. Because I was like, I don't want to finish this quest if I am just going to create more problems for myself. And I'm happy to say that is not the case. Oh, shit. So I was already on the last one, but the last one was like a three-headed monster. more problems for myself and um i'm happy to say that is not the case oh shit i've been i so i was

already on the last one but the last one was like a three-headed monster and i was like this is if he has to come to life i'm gonna like lose so many materials i like how you went hold up now do i really help this motherfucker out just so i could fight a fucking three-headed mom nah i yeah i like that you have those game instincts where you're like, wait a tick. Yeah. Am I the architect of my own fucking downfall right now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So it was really funny because I was like, what is the last thing I do? And I was like, wow, I really do know. I'm like, I've spent so much of this game trying to avoid a lot of fighting, which is hilarious because you're either fighting or fucking wandering. Right. And I've been really enjoying the wandering because I noticed that my anxiety goes up when I got to fight a gang of fools. Yeah. For real. Just like real life.

Just like real life. So I've been trying to avoid as much fighting if it's not necessary. So that's a little insight because I feel like, you know, that's a good game. But also there's hacks. Everybody knows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the idea of a monster who's obsessed with monsters. He's like so hor. Everybody knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the idea of a monster who's obsessed with monsters. He's, like, so horny for monsters. Yeah. I mean, I guess that on one hand, that's, like, just a people person. Yeah, exactly. But with monsters, it's horny.

He's a monster monster. Yeah. He's a monster's monster. Exactly. Really, you know, deep down. Who's your monster's favorite monster? That's right. You know what I mean? I mean, everybody's your monster's favorite monster? That's right.

I mean, everybody's monster got a favorite monster. Exactly. Who's your favorite monster? Who's my favorite monster? Oh, that's a good question. Oh, like in real life? Whatever. I mean, like when asked that question,

what comes up to the surface for you? I think Gordon Ramsay is my favorite monster. Oh, shit. He's a monster, but like but he's a good monster. He really does want perfection off a sandwich. And you're just like, bro, what is your issue? But I get it because sandwiches can be so delicious if they're made right. Right.

I'll second that. I used to be a PA and worked on Hell's Kitchen. And he changed the craft services company and catering for the crew because he said the food wasn't good enough. And like that's wild when you have somebody like take up for the crew to be like, the fuck is this grilled cheese? Nah. Then the next day, a new fucking catering company was in like making fucking like like ribeyes and shit. Hell yeah. He's a monster on behalf of the people.

He can be. That's why. That's why I like what he does. Yeah, absolutely. But also he could be a behalf of the people. He can be. That's why. That's why I like what he does. Yeah, absolutely. But also, he could be a monster to the crew. He also made some motherfuckers feel tiny on that set. I'm not going to fucking lie to you. Yeah, I believe that.

But that's the thing is like, no monster is going to be perfect. No. No monster is flawless. It cuts both ways. It definitely cuts both ways. Yeah, for sure. So that's why he's my favorite monster. Because he's still a monster at the end of the day.

But when he does some shit right, you're like, yeah, thank you for this, ribeye. Thank you. Yeah he's my favorite monster. Cause he's still a monster at the end of the day, but when he does some shit, right. You're like, yeah, thank you for this. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. Do you have a favorite monster,

Jack? Uh, thank you for asking. Yeah. Ellen DeGeneres. It's the, it's the toothpick thing, right?

The creativity of the toothpick thing. What? Like she would hide toothpicks around just to see if like her cleaning it's just like such dedication to minutiae to like having the terror of working for her pervade every like square inch of her home it's really like an amazing level of dedication so that's true what about this new jimmy fallon uh jimmy i need to learn more because he's like kind of we're just finding out the details are a little bit sketchy sure he's definitely something monstrous yeah but it's just he seems a little inconsistent yes it seems like like sometimes he's like they're

like he's so fun and then other times they're like it's a bad jimmy day yeah he's a drunk today right he might be a little bit drunk today yeah i just like that they had the phrase we're up against it yeah that was the code that was the code word i i did not appreciate that part there's there's no article on vulture about how the fallon is like a bad place to work, like really bad and toxic. And he is really rough. And they talk about how the inside the code phrases were really up against it today. And that meant like Jimmy is being a asshole. Yeah. Everybody steer clear. But like that, now they can't use that phrase anymore. They need to. That's true.

And he's probably like thinking back and being like, this motherfucker always said they were such a ginseng. I thought that was like just a thing they said. Yeah. Now when people have like a food craving,

like let's go get Cheez-Its. He's like, is that the new code? Let's go get Cheez-Its. The paranoia is going to go over well. Shut the fuck up, man oh yeah yeah my bad my bad all right what is uh marcella what is something that you think is overrated you know i couldn't think of something uh maybe because i got a little high but yeah you got a little high this got a little high this time ladies and gentlemen introducing a little bit high marcella for the first time she's never been a little bit this time. Ladies and gentlemen, introducing a little bit high Marcella for the first time. She's never been a little bit high on our podcast.

I've never been a little bit high on anyone's podcast. I trust you guys. This is so nice. I thought there was not going to be a guest host. I was like, you know what? I can get a little high. I read the comments. People get mad that I'm so mean to Jack.

And I know when I'm a little high, I'm a little more flirtatious. I like that Jack. You're like, it's a little more flirtatious. I like that Jack, you're like, it's fun. Like, you're also trying to not make that be really nice. I'm just fine.

Like, it's all good. I love how they're, I love Jack's like, be nice to Marcello when she's mean to me, guys. It's okay.

It's kind of my thing. Yeah, I mean, a lot of, and you know what's funny is a lot of guys don't understand it too. There's a comic

who's like, has a little crush on me and I'm just very mean to him. I'm very mean to him. him i'm very yeah yeah yeah and and i really give it to him more because i know he really enjoys it and i'm waiting for him i'm waiting for him to be like marcella why are you so mean and i can't wait to be like stop asking me why i'm so mean and ask yourself why you like it you bitch oh that's gonna be a moment when he When I have that exchange, I'm waiting. I know it's going to happen one day because this is such a load. Got it loaded. Why are you so mean to me?

You're so mean. Why do you like it, you little bitch? Yeah, that's the real question. What did your mom do to you, bro? That's what I want to know. What didn't she do? You little pain hog. So, yeah, I'm a little high.

So, I'm a little more fun and a little more rambly. But it'll be worth it, guys. So, like I a little high. So I'm a little more fun and a little more rambly, but it'll be worth it, guys. So like I just showed you, but overrated, underrated, couldn't think of something. So I decided to Google things like, what do people find overrated? Because I was like, because it's all opinion. So the top three things in the first three articles, the number one thing, one bitch wrote bacon. Overrated? Is overrated.

Okay. So I already know the bitch has no taste. I also feel like you're about to out a bunch of our former guests. Why? Well, what if you named a bunch of other people's overrated and underrated and they were just Googling, like, I don't have opinions. What are overrated and underrated and they were just like Googling I don't have opinions. What are overrated and underrated? That's probably true. Damn, I didn't think about that. You're totally right.

But bacon? Come on. It's a sinful meat. It's so good. I think we've said this in the past. We're like, it's properly rated. I get like 10 years ago we were doing too much. It was OD bacon. It was O.D. bacon. It's overrated by some people who are not worth paying attention to.

Oh my God. Bacon people. Yeah. But like who gives a fuck about them? Let them have their weird little thing. Yeah. Go to the, like as they say, it's like the fucking heart attack cafe or whatever the fuck it's called where like everything is bacon. Like I get it.

We get it. But like don't, you don't got to hate on it. so tasty it's so good what else is on when you find yourself being like uh like i don't even really like this thing that's fucking delicious and like makes my body like involuntarily do things like water just pour out of my mouth when i oh my god that's not i thought that was but but when that's your take like you're working too hard to have a take exactly i also just you know it's good when religions are like you cannot have it like you know that shit is good man it's gotta be so out of here so another okay another article i'm not going to name these people because they're all weirdos. But another person, their article, then her number one choice was clubbing.

Clubbing? Like going out clubbing. And it was just like, you loser bitch. Like stop imposing your introverted lifestyle on people who enjoy being outside. When's the last time you went to the club though, Marcella? You go to the club a lot? Well, because of my foot injury oh right it has it's been few and far between but i'm i will say uh like two weeks ago i think i it was like my birthday party weekend so it was what middle of august so yeah like a couple weeks ago i was out and i because of my foot injury couldn't really

do much but yeah i took my boyfriend to this um place in medesco called crocodile it's like this old ass like it is a wedding reception without the family it is so fun there's like no drinks on the dance floor they encourage people to dress up there is a strict dress code and not like not on some like like racist dress code on some like don't come in here sloppy bro like guys have to have their shirts buttoned up if they wear a button up like you cannot have a little like tank top showing underneath like they're very much like nah bro we're here to dance and drink and have a good time and respect everybody whoa and they're on it like i saw them go up to some guy some young dude because he thought he could get away with whatever he was dressed up really cute but he

unbuttoned his shirt to like show off and dudes came up and were like you need to button your shirt back up bro and i loved it because i was like yeah i got dressed up you should be dressed up too couples like 70 year old couples come in there dressed matching and dance the night away like i love going out dancing and that's maybe that doesn't fall under clubbing, but there are places to go out and have a good time and dance and enjoy yourself. And I hate when people are like, clubbing is so lame. Like, girl, you just don't like to drink

and be out and it's loud and you're probably neurodivergent and you can't handle all the fucking sensory overload shit. You might be going to the wrong clubs. You might be going to the wrong clubs. This shit sounds so fun. We had another guest talk about going to to like there was like a chandelier room where they were like singing Elvis covers or some shit. Like it's just like go find a weird club.

Find the club. Yes. Find the club that works for you. But don't shit on clubbing. Come on. This is wild. Jersey Shore shit I get. Like you don't want to be around that.

I understand. Right, right, right, right. Sure. You know, there's so many different things. What about bottle wars? Did y'all see that clip over the weekend of the bottle war shit that was going on? What? No.

Like a Houston nightclub. It was like New York versus Baltimore. Bottle. It's like this shit people have been doing for a while. You just start emptying bottles onto the floor for the flex. Oh, God. I hate that. Like dumping like $6,000 worth of liquor like onto the floor

yeah that's rude it's it's the flex you know what i mean it manifests in different ways but i'm at the crocodile's website i'm looking at they have a whole dress code sub page like so women no sports attire no t-shirts no sweats no baseball beanies, no overly revealing clothing. I like that. They're like, we're modest. Then men, collared dress shirts required, no sports attire, no t-shirts, no longer short sleeve shirts, no Henleys, no shallow V-necks. Oh, Henley style and shallow V-necks? Okay. No hoodies? Okay. Shallow V-neck. Nice dress sweaters? Okay. No baseball caps? But I can't get away with my shit that I try and pull off with my v-neck right no deep v yeah no no you got that j-lo deep v like where i'm flirting with exposing navel yeah 100 no sweats no baggy loose clothing no club colors what are club colors are they trying

to say like gang club colors like gang colors like red white okay i mean red i mean red blue yeah yeah whatever else no sandals flip-flops no fan you can't, red, blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then whatever else. No sandals, flip flops, no fans. You can't wear red or blue? Or you just can't wear all red or all blue? You're saying. It depends on the red or the blue. You can usually tell. Right, right, right. Yeah.

If you don't have like a flag coming out your pocket with your suit on, then maybe we have a problem. Wait. So, but you're saying this isn't on some like racist shit because it's very much like they just want or they just want everybody to come in like it's like it's a nice place. Like it's a nice place. I'm telling you, that's not there. They're totally like, trust me, hood motherfuckers show up.

Right, right, right. But they're in their player. They're in their player. They're in their player fit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, OK, it is. It seems like it off top. Like, I get it when you're reading it.

But I'm telling you, it's not that they're like, no, no like no no you can be hood is fucking here and you can like be annoying and all that shit but just be cute don't be a messy on the dance floor you can't like they really are just like no we're just here it's like family like it's like a family function i love it wow the interior does look like a time capsule it is dude it's so fun if you're ever in the central valley and you want to go out especially on saturday night friday nights are pretty empty but saturday nights are always popping they're so and it's the music is insane yeah there is music is insane dude this looks like this looks like it's like a fucking scene in carlito's way or yes dude yeah so that's what i'm saying when you walk in there you want to look cute right right right they want you to match the vibe it's like carlitos way mixed with a laser tag like yeah yeah yeah

on that shit it's cute so the music like the other day it was like it went from like suavemente to like uh eminem like the music is insane it's silly it's just you're there for a silly time right right and that's the other thing that's why it's like even the music is insane. It's silly. It's just you're there for a silly time. Right, right, right. And that's the other thing. That's why it's like even the music is like kind of corny. But like in that fun way where you're like, we never in high school. Yeah, yeah. You know, you're at a party.

You're just like, you know, you're just going to be kissing tonight. That's it. Wow. Shout out Crocodiles. I love Crocodiles. It's the funnest. All right. So finding a weird club is underrated.

Yeah. Finding a like cool, unique club vibe. She was saying it was overrated. But it's like, nah, man, find the clubs club is underrated. Yeah. Finding a cool, unique club vibe. Yeah, exactly. She was saying it was overrated, but it's like, nah, man, find the clubs that work for you. Yeah, right. And then the final article that I saw, I've only gave the first one for the other two articles. I got to give the two on this one because it's really funny how they go hand in hand. This guy's idea of what's overrated, the first one is formal education, which I agree, but then

the second one is science. Uh-oh. This guy's got some opinions on the vaccine. He's got some he's done some research, some of his own research on the vaccine. I don't think he's a fan of Fauci. Yeah, because it's like, oh yeah, formal

education, I agree. Not everybody should be required to fucking for any fucking job to have uh like fucking aaba any of that shit there's plenty of jobs that don't need that shit um and then he said science and i was like bro i'm tapping out like we are not agreeing on the same on the same number one he's like yeah well i got my master's degree on youtube you know what i mean so that's right that's why i can go toe-to-toe with any person who went to a brick-and-mortar college. I'm like, okay, sure. Okay, okay. I actually got a Bachelor of Science from Prager University.

From Prager University. Which, that's not usually their specialty. It's all price-based. It's all faith-based science. I got mine at Ragu University. Ragu. All sauce. Ragu. All sauce. Prego Ragu Old World Style degree.

All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll check in with Donald Trump. We like to do it once a week. Just make sure he's doing all right. We'll be right back. like to do it once a week. Just make sure he's doing all right. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. Mm-hmm. And we like just checking with Donald Trump every once in a while. See how he's doing. Don't we both? I love checking out Donald Trump. A lot of people have a lot of shit to say about him.

But what's he have to say about what he's up to, Miles? Just a quick check. And for starters, the judge in his second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, he's already been like, yo, man, you're liable. Okay, so the only thing now left to do is for the jury to just get together in January and just figure out how much you owe E. Jean Carroll. This isn't about whether or not you are guilty or not. Like we've, we've determined that. So this jury will get together just to figure out, to put a price tag on the fuckery. Mind you that he already has to pay her $5 million

from the previous judgment. And Trump was trying to get the judge to put a cap on the damages and be like well i've already paid five the judge like nah nah it seems like you're pretty rich you keep saying that no yeah it's kind of your whole thing right yeah you got it you got it like we're good here what's another 10 million right right that's fine just sell a couple more mugs with your with your mug shot on it um but anyway that's like that classic like a young rapper has way too much shit on his ig and then he fucking gets guess has to go to court for some shit and they just pull up his ig like bro look at all this money and drugs like and guns and shit bro what are you doing stop putting your own shit on blast i have nothing your honor please yeah they're like you were just you just bought a a fucking three hundred

thousand dollar chain with your face made of diamonds right right you just bought a new weave for sure that's my character has donald trump tried the that's a character i play interesting that's a good idea elected president so who is stupid now you You elected a WWE character president. Dumbass. That is such a good idea. I actually broke. Yeah, that's too short carrying his wife's purse in the airport. You know what I mean?

They're like, that's a character, sir. Okay. Although Trump, he probably looked good with a lace front, though. He probably, I'm surprised. I mean, he does look good with a lace front. That's what he's wearing, right? I mean, he could go harder but hey i get it he only trusts him to apply it sure but so anyway when the next thing that

happened was his documents case right trump seems to be at the end of his rope here in terms of like what his possible defense could be because obviously this case isn't the most significant for him from like a legal standpoint like not like like the Rico case and shit, uh, you know, or the other shit happening, uh, in DC. But this, like, it's clear now he doesn't really have like a articulated defense.

Cause he keeps saying the same thing over and over. He was on a Hugh Hewitt show and he was talking about how, like, I'll take the stand. I'll take the stand. And also about how he's, he protected under the presidential records act spoiler alert he is not but i just want to listen to this now of him just going yammering on about how he's all

good in this case because it doesn't matter did you direct anyone to move the boxes mr president did you tell anyone to move the boxes i don't talk about anything you know why i don't talk about i'm allowed to do whatever I want. I come under the Presidential Records Act. I'm not telling you. You know, every time I talk to you, oh, I have a breaking story. You don't have any story. I come under the Presidential Records Act.

I'm allowed to do everything I did. Who is Hugh Hewitt? Hugh Hewitt is like one of these goonyony right wing like radio dudes, like commentator guys. He's not he's not a he's he's. But he's like right wing. He's part of the right wing that Trump thinks is against him. Yeah, but he'll also, you know, he'll also, you know, like vacillate between reasonable conservative and then just, you know, full throat bootlicking. So, you know, it's hard.

He loves this shit so much, Trump. He loves going on a show and being like, you don't got shit. You're fucking stupid. I also just love that he's like, yes, everything I did, I did it because I could do it, but I definitely did it. Like, bro, shut the

fuck up. And if I have this interpretation of the law incorrect, I'm totally fucked, but yeah, I did it and there interpretation of the law incorrect, I'm totally fucked. But yeah, I did it. And there's nothing you could do because I'm bulletproof, baby. It's really funny. You have nothing, but I did it.

You have nothing, but I did it. I can do that. But I can do that is the thing. But I'm not telling you. That's how he also said it. But here is my confession but i did that these are my confessions thank you where's usher doing that because it would be good for your ratings well then it's basically what he goes on again and then hew hew it's like

all right hypothetical you're on the stand what's he gonna say yeah oh my god Are you serious? I think that. OK, if you do and they ask you on on the stand, did you order anyone to move boxes? How will you answer? I'm not answering that question for you, but I'm totally covered under the law. OK, read the Presidential Records Act. Just read it. You take a look at it. I'm totally covered under the law. Spoiler alert. He is, in fact, not totally covered under the law spoiler alert he is in fact not fucking covered under the presidential records act just read it miles just read it yeah i will do whatever

he wants any asshole with google including myself can look up the presidential records act and it states that all white house records related to government business are public property. And that when the president and vice president leave office, those documents must be transferred to the National Archives for Preservation. So there's not a single thing under there that is being like, just read it, I'm covered. It's like, you're not, but you're just trying to do that thing

where you think if you say that shit over and over and over again, that I'm sure maybe some of the people listening to that interview might believe that. when it goes to when it's actually presented they're going to be like sir this is it doesn't say anything about that shit here at all and he's he's surrounded by lawyers who are on his payroll and he's fired all the ones who tell him the stuff that he doesn't want to hear so he he's just strong and wrong, baby. Strong and wrong.

I bet his lawyer's like, we're up against it today, folks. We're up against it. We're up against it. Did you hear that fucking interview? I'm covered. I'm covered. It's like, what is he even talking about?

He did it. It doesn't matter. He did it and he's covered. Chill out, Miles. And also the thing is, this guy, he always, he's always pump faking like he'll take the stand. He says that all the's always pump faking like he'll take the stand.

He says that all the time. He's like, yeah, I'll take the stand. It doesn't matter. He never does. So, again, it's this is just where he's at. He's only got a bunch of pump faking left and I don't know where it's going to end up. But, hey, you wish I'd take the stand. Be good for your ratings.

What would you say? I'm not telling you, but I'm good under the law. I could do whatever I want. That's essentially your answer. Yeah would you say? I'm not telling you, but I'm good under the law. I can do whatever I want. That's essentially your answer. Yes, I did it, but I'm protected, right, Judge? I'm protected, right? I'm protected for what? That I can do anything.

We good here? We good here. He's going to do that. He's going to sit down and be like, Presidential Records Act, we good here? We good here. I'm'm covered got a tea time and i think that if he took the stand he would because he he either talks one in two ways he confidently speaks with a lot of hand gestures or he has both hands planted right what do you think his strategy would be i don't know if he's that i don't know with his back against the wall

i feel like he might be energetic but you think think about, remember that time like in the E. Jean Carroll depositions when he's like, I don't know her. And then he mistook her for his wife in the photo. Oh my God. It's like, you never want this dude.

Even if he, even if he is behaving, he's going to fucking self-own somehow up there. I know. It's so wild. Who's that? He's like,

that's my wife. I've never seen that woman before. There I am with my beautiful wife. Look at her. Isn't she beautiful? My sexy, beautiful wife. She's so wild. Who's that? That's my wife. There I am with my beautiful wife. Look at her. Isn't she beautiful? She's so beautiful. Beautiful, sexy wife that I would rail any chance I got. That woman, I don't know her. She's ugly.

That's E. Jean Carroll, sir. They're like, oh, okay. No further questions. Thank you. No further answers, please. That's his lawyer. That's going to be his lawyer. No further answers. No further answers, please. That's his lawyer. That's going to be his lawyer. No further answers. No further answers, Your Honor.

What is that? I object to what? No further answers. No further answers. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah. You got to name that the pod. No further answers.

No further answers, please. No further answers, Your Honor. The trials of Donald J. Trump. No further answers. That's pretty good. All right. In other news, that's going to be my new transition. There's been a lot of discussion lately about AI replacing riders, taxi drivers.

There's also a lot of concern regarding whether or not AI should replace doctors. And so there's been articles claiming that AI can help the healthcare industry. And that is absolutely true. Like there's been articles that claim that like AI chatbots can help healthcare, like doctors with their bedside manner. There's ways that it helps cut time with like finding data retrieval and like big diagnostic things. Those are all true, but it's always being framed as like replacing the doctor. Better than a doctor or nurse. Better than doctor.

Just like they want it to be something that it's not. They want it to be robot doctor who's like you know just that's the only person you deal with and it's like definitely does not work that well like for so for instance this one of the studies by the way the methodology is comparing chat gpt with like chat gpt responses to questions that people posed in a ask docs subreddit with like what the actual doctors in a subreddit said. And then being like, they actually like did better than the doctors on Reddit. So I think they could replace them like that. Wow.

That's a low hanging ass fruit right there to try and make your point. Yeah. Yeah. wow that's a low-hanging ass fruit right there to try and make your point yeah yeah i mean i think that they're like chad gbt is a good tool like it's a cool tool it it's it's like they're trying to replace they're like when google if google was invented and they were like well you don't need lawyers anymore you don't need doctors anymore because all you need to do is Google this shit. Ask a question. And I want my doctor to have some of their energy saved up by using this language model to help them like write emails that are clear and concise and like convey the information that needs to be conveyed. I don't need them to use this language model to replace the doctor, which is just going to be a worse thing. a worse thing. Like, it's just going to create a thing,

like a thing that's harder to tell that you're being fucked over because they are able to, like, string together sentences that make it sound like you're dealing with an actual healthcare professional, but it's actually, like, a medical chatbot. Like, so they've already been testing this. MedPalm 2 at the Mayo Clinic. And, way they write about it is in to like think of it as a competition it's not it's not supposed to be replacing them it should be improving the quality of care that

people get which is an actual problem that everybody like seems to acknowledge in the united states it's like really hard to get good medical care. But it really feels like it's because of the private equityification of the US, like the fact that the only thing that excites the people who make the decisions at a high level is cutting costs and like improving profit. And so their interpretation of AI is not like, here's a good tool that will improve the product because they don't give a fuck about the product. All they care about is finding ways to cut costs. And so that's why it's always being framed as, well, this can replace people. Right. It's like, no, it can make people better at their job. Maybe if you like give them a chance to learn how to use it and if you like think about

it in a way that's like patient and thoughtful but instead the only thing they care about is cutting how many jobs they can cut which is it's crazy that like we are allowing that to be the way that this technology is being written about and like thought about at a broad level right you know a lot of it is looking as like oh ai is here to make everything like thought about at a broad level right you know a lot of it is looking as like oh ai is here to make everything like obsolete or it's like the the be all end all of certain industries like that's sort of the dominant narrative which has everyone being like so it's smarter than a doctor so it's better than a doctor so it's better than a writer it's like rather than well no and even like what they're talking about when they're like

analyzing the performance of that one ai it's like perform performed more or less as well as the actual doctors well what's less yes like how bad is less like that's kind of a big fucking deal if you completely misdiagnose shit because like with all ai like you know you can already see how there's going to be like the kind of care can be all fucked up based on like racial biases and shit like that because even when you look at right even if it is going through like actual data if you look at clinical trials for certain medications if sometimes a certain ethnic group isn't responding as well as another they will just preclude them from participating in the study to make the,

to make the results look better where it's like, well, this shit actually works better for white Alzheimer's patients and not black or Latino Alzheimer's patients. So like, let's have a couple of them in there, but mostly the white ones, because those are showing us the best results.

And we're all, we already have a deficit and even how we even are testing certain things. So. And I bet with a really good doctor and somebody who's really smart about how they use AI, AI could actually be used to

fight against the biases that do exist with doctors. Doctors are not above that shit by any means. They're some of the most sexist, racist motherfuckers out here like they're some of the most sexist racist motherfuckers and you know out here because they're like sitting there getting told they're like incredibly smart and they have like a lot of authority and so whenever there's a lot of authority you see a lot of biases

and shit like just go uncheck so there's a problem there's an there. And I don't think that like I think in a different world where we don't approach a technology and say, how many jobs could this cut? Like as the first question, we would be approaching this and being like, oh, this is a great opportunity to fucking like improve medical care and like cut out all those bias, all these biases by like, you know, doing like approaching data differently or like using it like approaching people you know and just doing a better job like parsing through massive amounts of data without racism goggles on you know but yeah i i always find it interesting when you actually stumble upon a really good doctor and like the thing that you notice which from a good doctor to a not good doctor is that they actually like take their time and they want to know the the real personal root of like where the fuck this shit is coming from you know and right you're not just filling out a form that says like yes that's my father had cancer and died like you're you know you're

actually engaging with like okay like what what does this mean and what does that mean and where is this and where do you work And what's your stress levels? And like, when you have a doctor that really cares, it's such a fucking huge difference. And if they did have those tools and they could like, you know, precision focus on whatever it is that's bothering you, it would be so nice in an ideal way.

And it's also going back to what you were saying, Jack, about how like, it's crazy that like, when we get some technology, it's like, how do we cut jobs? And it's wild that when we get some technology, it's like, how do we cut jobs? And it's wild that right now the AI conversation is like that, but it's also not because when you think about the way people talk about immigrants and immigrants taking people's jobs, it's like there's so much disconnect of what's really happening

in all of these industries. And AI is just about to make that shit so much worse. And that's, of course, why they're doing the double strike with with this with my industry and it it's really fascinating to be in it so deep and in every seems to be like every industry is getting affected by this shit it's really wild like where is this going i don't know yeah because it starts off as being like this will help people's efficiency and then again like when start, if you have like a company that has to answer to Wall Street, then you can see how that pressure can turn into like, well, why don't we just make them all a bunch of chatbots? Or at least a lot of them could be, you know, for a lot of this shit. And it is a slippery slope. And like to the point of like I get to because some like medical systems are so overburdened, like I feel like doctors, they're like, I have to see like 900 fucking people in a day because I'm already they're already cutting costs that they're there.

I can't give the quality of care. Right. Shit is slipping through the cracks. And that happened tragically with my cousin, you know, like having something completely misdiagnosed, go completely under the fucking radar. And then, oh, sorry, you have stage four cancer. Sure. I mean, that's what happens. And you think about how frequent that kind of shit happens, like how frequently that kind of thing happens. And you're like, isn't there a way to help that for somebody who unfortunate like, you know, I guess I won't say that a doctor is negligent because i don't know what the fuck their work environment is like but those are the instances where you feel like couldn't that help like like more or less they have more time yeah yeah fall through the fucking cracks of being like no you're fine it's fibroids don't worry about it don't worry about it don't worry about it and then it's uh hey we totally fucked that up sorry yeah that's just i think those are sorry bye-bye that's that's what's fucked up yeah That's just, I think those are the... Sorry. Bye-bye. Yeah, that's it. That's what's fucked up. Yeah. It's that. That's where you're

hoping that, is there a way to improve that? You know what I mean? But not just wholesale being like, and this shit is more popping than doctors. End of. Moving on. Yeah. Yeah. And then you get into the deeper conversation of like medical school being so fucking expensive and only certain types of people have access

to it. I mean, that's what's fucked. because there's so many layers that's happening in this conversation that we're trying to have right but it's like it you feel fucking crazy because you're just like i just want everyone i love to get good health care why is that so hard right why do you have to like yeah why there has to be like a shortage of doctors and they have to be like treated like shit like professionally hazed to like like there's like stories when you like people are going through medical school they're like these stories where it's like yeah so like i would be driving to work and like part of my routine was i would fall asleep at the red light and then people would wake me up by honking at me

when the light turned green and that's how i would like sleep during medical school it's like jesus jesus well why do you why no no other profession yeah but i there is this interesting case study of like because the whole ai thing and like everybody going crazy about ai right now is really like a media bubble and like this technology has been around it's just like once chad gpt happened and a lot of people And like this technology has been around. It's just like once Chad GPT happened and a lot of people were like, whoa, it feels like I'm talking to person when I talk to this thing and they give me answers. Yes, the answers aren't correct,

but they get a lot of shit wrong. But it's interesting that it can type answers. So I'm impressed. But like there's been AI for a while and there was this company called Babylon Health, a startup in 2018 that they had an AI chatbot that was reportedly able to diagnose medical conditions as accurately as a doctor. as noted in a follow-up paper by researchers, did not offer convincing evidence that Babylon can perform better than doctors in any realistic situation.

And there is a possibility that it might perform significantly worse. Oh, boy. And yeah, it's just like the over-promising of the technology, like just immediately, like starts immediately because the second you have something like this, it gets put in a room with people who are like, how do we at the highest level as people who aren't involved in this at all? We're not doctors.

make the most money off that is to just give unrealistic prognostications of like what the thing's going to be able to do and like not work with it at all. And I feel like that's what AI is to a large degree. It's like a word for tech advances that we already have or that have been happening for a while. But the media bubble is like an opportunity for these like financial powers to like dig in and try to make money by like claiming that they can cut jobs. But anyways, this Babylon company, the NHS, the British like healthcare system, signed a big contract with them to like take over, signed three projects with the UK's nhs hospital trusts and they ended up canceling almost all of them like eight years before they were supposed to and yeah also i like i i wonder if the person who named it was ross was like a rastafarian was looking at it like a

babylon type thing you know real, like the oppressive systems that we live under according to the Rastafarian version of Babylon. Like, this is bullshit. This is hyper-capitalist, oppressive bullshit. They invented it and were like, uh-oh, oh, this is bad. Call it Babylon.

Yeah, yeah. I have two thoughts. First one is, I think it's also amusing because at some point in the future, like, yeah, they'd get these AI, whatever chatbot to come fucking take over the doctor's job. But then there's going to be the next level of exploitation after that, where now, like your privacy is at risk, like literal pictures of your body are now like hidden within these AI chat. You know, men are going to fucking hack that shit. AI chat, you know, men are going to fucking hack that shit. Now they got

pictures of my pussy because my gynecologist had to like, you know, shit with, you know, taking pictures and check if I got fibroids, you know, whatever. It's like, you know, that's the next level once they introduce this. I mean, that's what's happening with fucking cars. Did you see that article about cars?

They're all spying on you. They're keeping tabs on your sex life, on everything. Like that, you get that smart shit in anything and you're going to get to that point where it's like, it just gets nasty. It was wild. Yeah. How like that article ended with like, there ain't a damn company that isn't fucking with your data. They said except for two.

And they were like based in Europe because they have to actually abide by their privacy laws. Everybody else, they're hoovering up all your fucking data. They're watching you fuck. They're watching you fuck. That's the slogan. You thought when the car was off, its headlights weren't watching you? The car is nasty. Wait, what? Yeah, it's nasty. And then the second thought I had was, it's interesting how, I mean, I think naturally all technology, there's a dark side to it, right?

Any invention is going to have a dark side to it. You know, you invent whatever, the car and it's made to transport, but you can kill somebody with your car. So it made me think about how, like, I wonder if when pins were invented, like, who was the first person to die getting stabbed by a pin? And they were like, this is out of control this is why we can't have pins in our household or pencils or whatever the fuck there's literally this is always this is human nature it seems or it's like you invent something and it's gonna be used for evil because that's the way humans work i mean we already have this one example that's pretty creepy like so like there's this thing called deep scri which is, it's like your doctor will use it to record your conversation with your doctor.

And it captures the encounters in real time and automatically extracts medical information throughout the conversation. Which sounds like a good idea, good use of the technology. Except the software was only able to catch 80% of what was recorded. Their AI would have, quote, hallucinations and provide, quote, false information about patients, including errors in listing medications, which seems pretty bad. So to fix this issue, the company hired a team of 200 random people who would fix the notes by listening into these supposedly private recordings of medical appointments.

So problem solved. Just got random, you know, a random stenographer. Job creation. All I'm hearing, Jack, is job offers, job creation, money. Come on, bro. You're hating. That's true. Yeah, shout out to those 200 humans yes that's so crazy i hate it yeah and then they're also using it to screw you over on insurance claims so oh we didn't even get to the good part yeah where they're like yeah yeah this will just go through insurance claims to help a doctor deny all of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's easier to deny.

The insurance company Cigna is being sued for using an AI algorithm instead of doctors to review customer claims, allowing their doctors to deny claims without ever opening patient files. That's great. That's great. Yeah. I like how, yeah, this like one example is this woman who like was getting an ultrasound because they thought she may have ovarian cancer and they found a cyst.

And then they just denied, denied her claim for the ultrasound and a follow up procedure. Claiming neither were medically necessary and leaving her on the hook for seven hundred and twenty three dollars. Which is wild because they could have just done that without the AI. Right. You know what I mean? OK, sure. I guess it's more efficient or just done that without the AI. Right. You know what I mean? Okay, sure. I guess it's more efficient or just as fucked up. Yeah.

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You are that kind of white guy. I am that kind of white guy. He got it tatted. I have some thoughts about Rotten Tomatoes. I bet you do. Pull up a seat, Marcella. I just closed my laptop. That would be in your online dating profile. It's like, here's some things about me. I bet you do. Pull up a seat, Marcella. I just closed my laptop.

Yeah, that would be in your online dating profile. It's like, here's some things about me. Rotten Tomatoes skeptic. Yes. Okay. Follower of Christ. I prefer Metacritic personally. Oh my God.

Because they have a little bit more specific with the inputs that they put in. So like a five-star review. It's not just fresh. It is input as a 10 out of 10. Wait, back it up a second. Who is submitting to Rotten Tomatoes, for those that don't know, like me, for example? Movie critics. Okay, but who defines that?

Who defines the movie critics? That's a great point. Yeah. And a great question. And it is the crux of the issue. Right. Because Rotten Tomatoes determines it, and the owners of Rotten Tomatoes have some say into who gets allowed in there.

And you'll never believe this. Rotten Tomatoes is owned by a movie studio. They're owned by Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers. Or sorry, they're owned by Warner Brothers and Fandango, which shares a parent company with Universal Pictures. So, yeah. So it was just revealed that a PR company called Bunker 15, which is just like, ugh.

What a name. You know that's a shit job. Like if someone's like, where do you work? Bunker 15, which is just like, ugh. What a name. You know that's a shit job. Like, if someone's like, where do you work, Bunker 15? They're like, oh, I don't know what that is, but I'm sorry. Who's your boss, Pepe the Frog? Jesus Christ. Oh, really? Bunker 15. It's the Wojak meme, yeah.

Bunker 15 juiced the Rotten Tomatoes scores of the movie Ophelia, because when the reviews came out, it was so this is a feminist retelling of Hamlet starring Ophelia. And the reviews came out and it was coming in at a 46 percent, which classifies it as rotten and then bunker 15 offered critics in quotes 50 or more to post positive reviews which bumped the rating up to fresh and the next month the movie was acquired for distribution so damn for 50 bucks starting for 50 it's so low like that's why it's so fucking cheap like what y'all if you're so if Y'all, if you're going to sell out your little Rotten Tomatoes cred, go get some more fucking coin than that. Yeah.

It just shows you how much people are fucking whack as fuck and sellouts and have no morals or ethics. Yeah. But they're also like, here's the thing you don't know. I do about 40 of these a day. Right. When I get 50, I'm making two grand a day. Actually, I'm doing all right.

Yeah. I mean, that is how they think, though. I bet. I'm sure. So Bunker 15 denied the allegations, but also admitted they have a, quote, small handful of writers that are set up that are set up a specific system where filmmakers can sponsor or pay to have them review a film, which doesn't sound like a denial of the allegations. I like how they go, hey, man, are you paying critics to pad the reviews of films that are your clients, your PR company? We absolutely deny that, Miles.

No. We do have some critics who will be paid. They got the same PR company as Trump, huh? I know, huh? I know, right? I did it, but I protected, so. Yeah, right. They're saying we're covered on the Presidential Records Act.

So next question, my honor. And since the Vulture piece went up alleging all of this, the Ophelia page has disappeared from Rotten Tomatoes. What? And wait, and they use this to secure distribution? Yeah. So that's wild. That's wild. That feels like a lawsuit from whoever bought the distribution

rights for that movie. Yeah. I don't think that thing made much money. Oh, shit. So if you Google it, it'll give you a result on Google google then you go and guess what homie it's 404 baby not here that the droids you are looking for are not here these are not the droids you're looking for that movie ended up making 242 damn it's uh it's not good but yeah yeah like rotten

tomatoes just has always seemed completely suspect and like arbitrary you'd go you'd see like a movie that like doesn't have good reviews and you go on rotten tomato and it would be like 76 percent like fresh it's like what what's anybody we're just we're just taking their word for it and they've also like there was they delayed the posting of the reviews of justice league when that came out in 2017 like it got real bad reviews but they like wouldn't post the reviews for a while because they wanted people to buy tickets that was like one of the find out the movie was bad yeah one of our earliest episodes was i remember us talking about that and we're like what they can do that and then we're like oh warner brothers owns it

okay i guess they can't do that shit rotten tomatoes it's so wild that like this country is so like freedom of speech freedom of speech and at any chance anyone gets like but how much does it cost to get you to change that speech right right exactly how can i buy cost of speech yeah cost of speech like god that's so wild i mean we got discounted speech over here if you're looking for it shit it's also like i know that when i use like yelp because i don't i don't use raw tomatoes i don't give a shit about movies but um when i use yelp i'm definitely always like i can't trust you like i hate i hate when like you read something and you're like this has nothing to do with the food right well you know right because there's there's yelp reviews or you go oh you fucked up on your anniversary dinner bro and you're taking it out on this restaurant that

they didn't have x y and z because it's like i made i made a reservation that day and then when we got there it's like hold on no no no my day and then when we got there, it's like, hold on. My favorite, of course, is the, I eat here a million times, but today. It's like, why didn't you review the other million times? When he killed it. That's the actual review I want. But anyways, so I'm curious when you guys use

Rotten Tomatoes, like, is there ever like you feel like this person is insincere or this is a suspect? Like, can you read that the way that you can kind of see it in Yelp? The other thing that's really weird is that it's totally subjective whether a review is rotten or fresh, you know? What do you mean? Like, if they give it, like, two stars,

sometimes they'll put that as rotten or as fresh. Like, it totally. Oh, that's weird. Yeah, it's really. There's a there's a lot of like shading. Consistency. Yeah. Consistency.

Thank you. Which is why if you'll if you'll check your inbox, I've just sent you a 15 page slideshow. Metacritic is the superior website. Metacritic, the superior website. All right. Marcella, such a pleasure having you. Thank you. I wasn't mean. You were so wonderful. I was so boring.

I'm kind of bummed out. Yeah, there you go. Bring it back. Dial the smoke up real quick. I'll come back and I got to promote. I guess I'll take us to this show so i was like let me be nice even though i don't like being nice no i mean you are i don't think i think it's a misnomer to even to categorize you i agree you know miles we agree on that shit yeah no we agree i want to work on a bit about character versus demeanor yeah because people confuse

your demeanor with your character and this is not how it should be. But, you know, people aren't ready for all that shit. Yeah. They're not. Oh my God. She said,

please shut the fuck up. She told, she stole your husband when she said, please bitch. That's so dumb. Anyways, that was my final rant. Thank you so much.

You can find me at Marcella comedy. And now reminder i will be headlining the hollywood improv september 15th i'm coming to chandler arizona on september 22nd i'll be in portland headlining high note comedy on the 28th i'll also be opening for michelle buteau so if you got tickets i think there's still one more show with her i'm excited about that i'm also coming to the santa cruz festival um in october and i'm doing vegas in november but i think i'll be back uh to to kick it with that yeah you guys thank you amazing do you like doing vegas you like doing vegas

it's my first time doing vegas oh wow it's the middle of the week show so i'm excited about that because i really feel like uh the crowd the weekend crowd is fucking too insane yeah bonkers you're gonna have people who've already like lost their mortgage oh my god i mean you're gonna have that any day of the week but on the weekend there are like people coming to have people who've already like lost their mortgage. Oh my God. I mean, you're going to have that any day of the week, but on the weekend, there are like people coming to have a week and to really lose big. Exactly. Somebody who like already legally died at a hospital and then came back

drunk for like your. Yeah. During the week, you got all the people that have like their little vouchers and their discounted rooms. The pros. The pros. That's obvious.

I am excited about that but um i i don't know how that's gonna be i've never done vegas i'm excited piece of media i'm enjoying is my friend coriola casick has this uh you guys would appreciate this um oh fuck i had it written down in the room and i had to come down here but i think it's like molly bro on instagram and he's going viral right now because he was at Burning Man. And so he just is like doing like a, Hey guys, do you need a spot?

If you want to sponsor us, we're here stranded. Just $1. We'll get us. Uh, if a million of you, uh, donate $1 can get us hella Molly.

It's just like the funniest, stupidest shit. He's part of a crew called the dress up gang, which Frankie Quinones is also in, which you guys. yeah yeah from cholo fit yeah but um it they it's just such a funny character his name is molly bro on instagram or oh fuck i wish i think i have it wrong let me see if i can't pull it up official molly bro is his instagram handle that's me and he has really silly uh molly content and it's actually very funny i don't do molly but i you know i can appreciate a good And he has really silly Molly content. And it's actually very funny.

I don't do Molly, but I, you know, I can appreciate a good character. Yeah. Why not? Of course. And Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah. Find me Twitter, Instagram, all them at based life forums at miles of gray.

You know where to find us with our basketball takes. That's miles and Jack got mad. Boosties. You like 90 day fiance check. Sophie, Alexandra and I out on four 20 day fiance and a true, the true crime show. Check it out.

The good thief, please check it out. And let's see a tweet. I like, uh, from Brittany Nichols at B is hilarious. Uh, tweeted strike needs to end.

You know how many birds I can name now? It's too much. And I feel like if that's the metric you're using, like, oh no, I've become a bird watching fool. And now I can, I'm having arguments over what kind of hawks there are. I get it. Maybe I'll try a little too long.

Wait, I always saw her at was bish hilarious. Wow, I've been reading it wrong this whole time. B is hilarious. I mean, I feel like it could be both because I used to read it like that too. And then I was like, well, it's B is, but it's also, look, it's up to the reader. She's a great writer. I think we can all agree on that. Oh, we can all agree on that.

Jack, where can people find you? What's a piece of movie you're enjoying? Thanks for asking. You can find me at Jack underscore O'Brien. A tweet I'm enjoying is from Brian Jordan Alvarez who tweeted Courtyard Marriott

Marion Cotillard. Really makes you think. And it did. All night. Couldn't stop thinking about it. Also, can I just, sorry. You guys should be saying an ex that I like, not a tweet that I like. Fuck that.

Absolutely fuck that. I will not. You just gave me the dirtiest look. I will not. Ex, formerly known as Twitter. Fuck you. Every publication in America. I'm sorry, Jack.

Where can people find you? You can find me at Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Hey. Twitter. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and our website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes.

Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what is a song that you think people might enjoy? I think we're going to go out on a little bit of some UK rap here. Some drill from Quangface. K-W-E-N-G-F-A-C-E. This is the remix to the track Freedom.

It's called Freedom 2 with Joy Orbison andbeson and over mono i think are the the beat makers that that flip the beat but anyway freedom with the number two by quang face get into it do it all right well we'll link off to that in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts my heart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows that is gonna do it for us this morning. We are back on Monday with an episode where Miles and I are going to tell you what was trending over the weekend. We'll tell you stuff we think is overrated

and underrated. Monday like early afternoon-ish and then Tuesday with a special episode and we'll talk to you all then. Have a great... Oh, and there will be a highlight reel of the best of this week. Oh, yeah. Over the weekend. the weekly zeitgeist so much shit for you guys to pay attention to did you guys do like a vh1 countdown style of our greatest hits yeah number five this week number

five brought to you by coca-cola classic that's right my pe. By Pepsi One. We're leaving money on the table by not doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we'll talk to y'all on Monday. Bye. Thank you.

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