The Daily Zeitgeist - TDZ's Top 5 Of 2023: #5 CEO Mimicry (1.23.23)

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

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get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hey guys so i've always wanted to do some sort of like top episodes of the year rundown thingy this year i had a little extra time before taking off for the holiday. And so kind of threw something together just based on like what the episodes were that you listened to the most in future years. I'd like to open it up for voting, get your input. But for this year, we're just going to be rerunning each of the top five episodes while we're on holiday break. And yeah, here is the number five most listened to episode of the year 2023 i hope you enjoy it

hello the internet and welcome to season 272 episode one of their dailies i guys a production of i heart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, January 23rd, 2023, 23, 23, 23, 23. Oh, whoa. Good day. Yeah. Good day to you, sir. And a good date to you as well. Thank you so much. I will take these measurable dates and eat them happily. But today's date is also National Handwriting Day and National Pie Day, like P-I-E. We know pie days, if you're mathematics, that's March 14th. But we're talking about P-I-E, pie today. They should have combined those. Just a note to big pie, to big P-I-E.

You should combine it with the other one. Hop on it. That's like when I feel like all the engineer math nerds I knew were like, they had pie parties. It's like, come over for pie day. Made a selection of pies. They kind of go hand in hand. That is how they talk, too.

You handwrite, Jack? Do I handwrite? You doing some handwriting? I got a handwriting. I've got some of that. Yeah, I do a lot of handwriting, actually, of weight. Yeah. Okay, yeah.

Free handwriting just to get the mind working in the morning, you know? Oh, shit. No, I've been writing thank you cards, you know, for people getting us baby gifts and stuff. So I've been doing, like, so much handwriting that I'm like, oh, I missed this. I feel like I'm back in school having to do an essay in handwriting. that i'm like oh i missed this i feel like i'm back in school having to do an essay in handwriting i must report to zeitgang as a recipient of one of said thank you notes miles has beautiful handwriting yeah baby cool looking handwriting it's all block letters the best you imagine imagine what you think miles's handwriting's like it It's the best interpretation. It's not like frilly or anything. It's just like

when the man puts the pen somewhere, he meant to. You know? I think any writing analyst would be like, you are putting a lot of pressure on that pen. Like, I'm digging deep with that pen. But anyway. Yeah, yeah. No, there's a lot of tension

there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the other thing we remarked on. Good handwriting and oh boy, there's a lot of tension there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was the other thing we remarked on. Good handwriting and, oh boy, there's a lot going on there. Oh, an elixir. Yeah. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, a.k.a. Perturters O'Brien. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, my goodness. Yes, it's me.

Because my artwork is in La Reina Sofia and the El Prado. Call me Salvador Daddy. Hey, eventually. Not quite yet. But yes, that will probably be a new nickname soon. Shout out to Cristiano Gucci for that wonderful. He must have known I was in España over the summer, which I did take in some wonderful works by Goya and Dali, of course. And, of course, Picasso as well.

Miles, enough beating around. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious stand-up comedian. Enough with the shit about you being an impending father or whatever. Have you seen some art? We got a heater today. Yeah. Hilarious stand-up comedian, comedy writer, actor,

fashion icon, whose shirts are available at Guarantee Shirts. Yeah. One of our all-time favorite TDZ guests, one of y'all's favorite TDZ guests,

the brilliant, the raw, the major, Caitlin Guilf! Caitlin Guilf! This is me hugging the Zeitgang. I hope you can all feel it. Everybody just got a consensual hug. Only those who want one if you're not into that

or being touched. We're huggers. Most of us are huggers. You're fine. Most of you are probably. I feel like it's a huggy crowd. Also, I knew Miles that you had excellent handwriting. I knew it. I felt it in my bones that your handwriting was cultivated and exquisite. I am pleased to hear that that was correct.

Hi, what wonderful praise. It is a pleasure as always to join you in your lovely third seat. Thank you. It's wonderful to have you here. What's your handwriting looking like? Fast. It is hurried. My handwriting looks like I am thinking about the next sentence already and would like to

get it on the page, please. Do you have like hybrid cursive printing handwriting? Because you know how people like when I hear people who write fast, I always envision like that hybrid cursive while also printing. Is that you? Yeah, it is. Okay. Yeah, it's a little, a lot of letters I've just trained to run together in something like normal. They're not the shape of a cursive letter, but I'm not lifting a pencil.

Who's got the time? Right, right, right. I'm busy. I will show you a to-do list that has my handwriting on it. Yeah, I was just taking notes about what a guest needs to know on this stained book. And I feel like even backwards, you know that that's exactly what it would look like. Yeah. I will have you know, this is a to-do list that I discovered while cleaning out my closet from over, I think, probably two years ago.

I've accomplished half of the things on this. I'm not bad. I'm going to say. You didn't specify. What if eagles were like climb multiple mountains? But one of the items on the to-do list Is just Havana Syndrome Get to bottom of

How high on the list is that? Can I ask? How long have you been writing a list? Before you were like I know what I gotta get on here 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 It's the 10th item Havana Syndrome.

Just enough said, future self. Of course. You know what this means. Oh, shit. Oh, man. It's like shitty memento. It's like, what? What?

Havana Syndrome? Yeah, man. Figure it out. Figure it out. Solve the JFK assassination. Havana Syndrome. What else you got? Climate change?

Area 51. One of my favorite jokes in the world, Sean Keane wrote himself so he would remember it because he knew he was not in a state to remember it when it occurred to him at the time. And it is a list of soy cheese names that make me laugh. that make me laugh. Like, I've heard that I request that joke any time I can make Sean Keen do it for me. And the next time you talk to comedian Sean Keen or listen to him, I highly encourage that you shout out Soy Cheeses.

I will just cite my favorite, Monterey John. I swear it's the best thing I've ever heard! Monterey John! I love that. But that was in a note he left himself and discovered. I swear it's the best thing I've ever heard! Monterey John! I love that. But that was in a note he left himself and discovered. The meaning of which I'm so thankful he retained. Can you imagine just opening your phone to see the phrase Monterey John and having no frame of reference?

What were you thinking? Why has this been written? What past self decided that that was a necessary note? I remain ever thankful that sean held on to just enough shreds of that memory to put together one of my favorite pieces of stand-up material of all time it also relies on a knowledge that jack is a nickname for john which the majority of the united states does not have i will i will have you know as somebody who is a born john who goes by jack most people yes why the hell do you do that? That's strange.

Because you can. I'm a Catherine derivative. I can go so many ways. I think Katie. I just can't stop starting with cats, but all the Kate ones are allowed too. Somehow I feel like Courtney sneaks in. I can just do it if I wanted. Why not? If you're feeling sassy. I'm bad I feel like Courtney sneaks in. I could just do it if I wanted. Why not? If you're feeling sassy. I'm Courtney now. And Miles, you just have a cool name. So you're like, yeah, I'm good. Oh, Miles, I would coach that. I think I've said it before.

I always wanted to be DJ in the 90s. Oh, God! Yeah. I was like, why aren't I DJ? You're a precious man. That felt like the sickest name. And I remember, I was like, yo, this I DJ? That felt like the sickest name. And I remember, I was like, yo, this name is fucking bullshit. Why can't that be DJ Tanner?

Yeah. There's another kid. This dude in my school. That is such a 90s thing. Oh, yeah. This one kid, DJ, was like the coolest kid in my grade. At the time, they were like, oh, she's surfing and shit. He's like a good surfer when we were like 10. You know what I mean?

So he was killing it. Now he's like, you know, he's like a good surfer when we were like 10, you know what I mean? So he was killing it. Now he's like a, like a storied lifeguard in Oahu. Like he, he never strayed from his like beach path as a human being. Now he's like, this is what I'm good at. Once a DJ,

always a DJ. That's a game you have to swing into hard. Yeah, exactly. You can't back down from your choices as a DJ. Exactly. In a way, I'm glad I did not,

I did not pursue that name switch, and I stayed with Miles, and that led me towards the – that kept me on my musical path. So, yeah. Well played. Yeah. Well, DJ could have kept you on a very different musical path. It would have been too on the nose, I feel like.

Yeah. And here's DJ DJ. Like, nah. Come on. That's actually something I've been thinking about. I personally love it, but that's not a great indicator of its quality. Well, nah, come on. That's actually something I've been thinking about. I personally love it, but that's not a great indicator of its quality. Trolley DJ

names now are, like, the best. Like, there's a guy named Trillbo Swaggins who I've seen on bills in, like, LA. DJ Yambayobi is another one I love. Like, those are just funny. Like, I would lean into that, but yeah, as a kid, like, i remember i was

djing under the name prime yeah with a one with a one for the eye okay no fucking around that was also my mc on this side yeah what a time to be alive truly the early 90s i have a long thing i want to talk about that we don't have time for about the name michael in the late 80s early 90s and why i was having such a run i don't have time for about the name Michael in the late 80s early 90s and why it was having such a run. I don't have any answers. It was a thing. So when I was in college we had to have multiple mics. There was moccasin mic second floor mic. There was tall mic

there was short mic. We had to delineate the mics they all got a prefix handle. And also the three most famous humans in America were all named Mike and then the Ninja Turtles came along and the coolest Ninja Turtle was Michelangelo. It's why.

And then since then, no, like not a lot of cool mics. Got Mike Pence. This is a standup bit. I'm working out. Yeah. Yeah.

Go on. Go off. All right. What's fun about that is you're guaranteed to have a mic in every audience. So get ready. Put plenty in your pocket for that. Hey, I'm a full mic. You get on stage. Hey, so where's Mike at?

If your name's Mike, raise your hand right now. All right, Mike. The fuck out of here. All right. Kayla, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. Google laid off 12,000 people, their stock price went up, of course. So we're going to talk about that and how the real theory on why corporations, why all these tech corporations are firing everyone, just like firing, cutting so many jobs

is because they like the other one did it. And're like well if they did it we we should do it so we'll talk about that we'll talk about how billionaires are coping with people telling the truth about them namely suing them we'll talk about state houses coming up with just the dumbest, most fucked up ways to oppress non-heterosexual people. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay, two-part answer. One very quick and brutally honest.

Cabinet suspension rails. Guess who's in the middle of putting its new kitchen cabinets or planning the process of doing so. So yeah, I can't tell you that the search results are exciting, but there are a lot of them and they're quite informative. So if you're with me in the journey, I chose

the suspension rail system. You? Echo. Just a chamber of nothing. What? When you're doing when you're googling that are you finding like youtube video that shows you how to do it that you're like speed scrubbing through what's what's your process i was looking specifically is because i was trying to be cheap and buy cabinets that didn't include a suspension rail system so that i did the thing

where i was like well can i buy something to add to that cabinet and i was like now it's an expensive cabinet you can get one that has a suspension rail. See how you did the thing? So yeah, that was the path that I've been chasing down. The fun one though is that for Sundance Film Festival, it's happening now big time in my house as half the house works for the fest and is there in Park City now.

And quite often the category, you know, online, there's a big breakdown of like what's playing and what's going on. And many years, the international shorts tab is not the most clicked upon tab. There are certainly competitions or movies that get more interest than that particular slice of the festival. But this year, because of alphabetical coincidence, I think it just worked out right. Truly, it was just supposed to be this way. It's not that they picked this person out, although who knows. But right now, for the international shorts at Sundance, the picture promoting it is of Jennifer Connelly. And I got to tell you, it's peaking. It's peaking stats. It's crushing stats. Folks are smashing to see

what's going on with international shorts at Sundance. And I give credit to the face of Jennifer Connelly, which will move mice all over the world, as it turns out. Everybody wants to know what she's up to. So congrats to those at Sundance. I was in love with her. Yeah, I mean. Rocketeer. I'm glad that international shorts is getting some shine. Credit be to Jennifer Connelly or not.

All high quality films that deserve a view. Right. And if it's that face that gets in there, well done. Oh, that's fun. So somebody, you are involved in Sundance? Or your partner is involved in Sundance? Oh, the sweet lady of the house, yeah. Oh, okay, got it.

For a few years, been with the festival in various capacities. for a few years, been with the festival in various capacities, so always fun to watch it grow and happen and pick up cool stuff. Yeah, that's cool. Any news on what's coming other than Jennifer Connelly's face for all

us foreign short film fans? I wish that I had clicked beyond it. I, like the rest of the general public, was intrigued by Jennifer Connelly and literally Googled Sundance International Shorts Jennifer Connelly. So if you've done the same, welcome to that elite club. There you go. Yeah, I do hear a lot about programming, which means I can't remember what's actually happening and what is just discussed.

But it is an honor to just be discussed. Yes. What is something you think is overrated? Oh, shit. Wait. No, there was one. And they were both food related. Can I do underrated first? Yes, please.

Will you allow it? Because I remember it. Sorry, I had to wait for a ruling from our judge, but yes. Allow it, fam. I appreciate this grace grace i wrote down the word under rate overrated instead of writing down the thing that i think is overrated so when i tell you that my handwriting is in a hurry that maybe that what's what's you know overrated is rushing see how we rescue this situation is not taking your time yeah it seems like i was getting there

faster to write down my underrated but you know what i did then was just wrote down the word is not taking your time. Yeah. Seems like I was getting there faster to write down my underrated, but you know what I did then? Was just wrote down the word underrated. The word underrated. I also didn't write down the underrated. The word underrated is underrated. Which I'm just very lucky

that I happen to remember because I decided on my underrated very quickly and unshuffled through a few overrateds, none of which I can remember. So don't rush. Rushing is deeply overrated., none of which I can remember. So don't rush. Rushing is deeply overrated. What is underrated? Celery.

Celery. Celery, baby. Okay. Tell me more. I gotta agree. I gotta give a big second on this one. Are we saying beyond our understandings as just like an easy dipping vegetable

and something for the kids? And then obviously vital to like, you know, your mirepoix or like other, you know, it's kind of foundational to your cooking. Tell me more. We are in soup season.

Yeah. You get it. Here in this hemisphere, if your fridge is not stocked with some celery, you're missing out on a key component of making soup season a huge success. Yeah. Plus, I didn't know this.

This is mainly garnered from an episode of america's test kitchens to go back and look up what they had to say about celery but for a long time it was kind of the only green thing going in the winter celery was like a big deal on the holiday table because everything else was like stuffing turkey brown you know delicious right but also brown so there were special dishes to hold celery it was a thing yeah because celery's in a, there were special dishes to hold celery. It was a thing. Yeah, because celery's in a lot of the holiday dishes, like just kind of thrown in. Yeah. The stuffing, chunks of celery in there.

You look at an old Titanic menu or something and it'll be like, celery served seven ways. Right. Why? Why? Yes. Because people would have been like, oh, seven ways. It's the only thing that's alive. Seven.

Creamed. So, yeah, it was a champion vegetable. I think it's unsung now. I heard the mention as a kid snack, and it is a delicious kid snack. But, Growns, don't sleep. The celery is delicious. It will serve you well. I love a celery.

Yeah. I rely on ants on a log more than I should as a parent, you know, to get my kids to eat some calories when they're like not wanting to eat whatever thing I made badly for them. Oh, but we never as adults find ourselves in that situation. Right. Never have we ever gone through a day lacking calories or energy because we didn't do something simple like wolf down some celery with peanut butter smudged on it. Well, so I do that now.

I also make myself ants on a log. And my only complaint with ants on a log is it takes an entire, like, bushel of celery for me to feel satisfied. It's like, oh, yeah. I didn't say it's the only thing you should do. Yeah, yeah. I said it's underrated, not that it should be your chance. It's a big assist wasn't there like some myth or i don't know if it's true but people were like it's the one food that you eat that's like a net negative calorically i feel like iceberg lettuce is also on this list of things in the 90s they told me to eat in 17 magazine yes when they're

like hi we're not going to promote eating disorders in the traditional way we'll just see the seed the ground with what these subtle things like hey what about this you know what if you ate celery and nothing else yeah uh but yeah celery i mean yeah to your point like i remember when i would eat it like i would eat my mom would make french onion dip sometimes and i would eat it with celery and she used to be like stop eating half the goddamn tub with every bite of sun like it's the only way i could feel it i was using it as like a spoon basically yeah i gotta make up for these net negative calories from the celery by offsetting them with net positive from the french onion dip, mom.

Building my case that it is underrated. What an excellent conveyance. It adds crunch. It adds crisp. Yeah. It has flavor, but it's like chill. It's not loud. It's nature's Tostitos scoops.

Oh, see? Nature's Fritos is Fritos. Fritos have three ingredients. Don't forget that Fritos is a perfect food. I don't have to tell you that's underrated. Fritos should already be corn, corn oil, salt. It's an exclusive. Oh, is that really it?

Yeah. That's impressive. And two of them are corn based. How about that? Yeah, I know. And one is salt. It's really good. Hell yeah.

What is, what's something you think is overrated? Oh, well, rushing. Oh, rushing. We already did rushing. Okay. It's going too fast to remember what you thought about before and then writing down the word overrated instead of writing down the thing.

Yes, yes. That you thought was overrated. Take your time. Take time with a wanted hand. And what the well-executed mug lift gets you out of it. Oh, that mug is actually also a good mug to lift into frame because that's a beautiful mug. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Is that thank you. Yeah.

Is that something you're making? No. I live in a place now, so when I have to get things, I get the things that I think are good. I've lived for a long time like, well, this could be possibly disposed of in a year entirely by accident as I relocate to a new zip code for about 10 times. But now I'm a bit more deliberate in my choices, hence cabinet suspension rails. Right. Exactly. Wow, Jackie. You got a Yet a yeti is that you're sipping on it right now yeah that's a nice mug as well jack thank you yeah bright yellow lifetime that's the buy it for life that is never gonna lose it i got the i got the rocky mountain tub tumbler oh heck yes i bought it i bought it at cvs because it could fit 32 ounces, and I was going to a hotel pool party where I had to sneak in alcohol.

Thank you so much. You just walked up sipping on a giant tumbler, and they were like, no question, sir. I said it was water. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Because I guess that is a thing that people. Yeah, because especially, look, when you say a hotel,

and then they're like, yeah, and then we have a a poolside bar and like the drinks are $7,000. No, motherfucker, get your Rocky Mountain Tumbler on and then go to the room as you need to, you know? Yeah. I don't want to put my parents on blast, but when you go on a cruise, booze can be very expensive. So can checking luggage. So they had, essentially, they just wore seven days worth of clothes and checked the luggage full of booze to get on their cruise.

That's impressive. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. or wherever you get your employees. Google announced that they're laying off 12,000 people, which is about 6% of their global workforce. And first of all, the market was immediately like, thumbs up, no notes, great job. And their stock price went up because that is the perverse system of incentives that we live within. And that, of course, makes the people making the decision to fire people instantly way richer when the stock price goes up, because that's where most of their net worth is tied up, or a lot of it, at least. But this is just the latest round of layoffs for tech workers. The other day, Microsoft announced they were cutting 10,000 jobs shortly before that Amazon announced massive

layoffs. And Google claims that their explanation is how we just hired a bunch of people during the pandemic. And now we're in a different economic reality, which, oh, a better one. No, that's, that's the thing. Like, no, this sort of bait and switch that corporate entities do where they're always talking about, like, the financial outlook is bad. But then they never really, like, follow through when it's good on doing anything for anyone. It's always just them announcing that the financial outlook is bad and then laying off people. them announcing that the financial outlook is bad and then laying off people. Because remember, like during COVID, everybody was like, it's an economic apocalypse. And now they're like looking back at that as like the good old days.

Well, because it got paid for. Because the money just bled out, you know. Tracking where that went will be an amusing job for some finance students in the future but it is yeah i bet that was the wild old days you could send in a piece of paper and all of a sudden a bunch of money showed up and then you sent in another one and i guess it was fun like there was on a corporate level it seemed like there was a giddiness about what was possible like we can just fire everybody We don't have to have offices anymore. Our stock is stable, but nothing else in the economy. Like, what is happening? I don't know.

Unreplicatable. I don't know that it was... Corporate entities are, like, alive. They live forever. But they can't... I don't know that the virus affected them like it did human people. They were like, they've weakened.

It's time for us to get stronger and step up our takeover. Oh, no. Terminator was worried about the wrong AI. It's corporations that are becoming sexier. Oh, for sure. I've been saying that. Like, capitalism and corporations are the singularity. Like, they're the unkillable thing that is like ingesting all of the minds and

intelligence and just using that to kill any challenger but yeah massive corporations yearning for the good old days of the covet outbreak when all we heard about during the covet outbreak was how fucked the economy was is kind of a weird look and people who speak the language of these people say it's still a bad move. It doesn't make sense because you like really like spend a lot to like recruit people, bring them in. And then- Have like attractive packages to even get them to sign and stuff like that. Yeah.

And then because of like a temporary economic condition, you fire them. And then when things pick up again in 12 months, you are going to be spending a lot of money, like trying to get that same quality or even sometimes those same employees back on your the insanity of the amount of money companies will spend to pay humans less money right out of control it's in them i mean the same arguments get it like housing is the same thing the amount of money we spend to keep people homeless is wild.

Yeah. Wild. It would be so much cheaper by every measure to just put people inside in like safe, nice place. What are you trying to say? That it costs three times more in Los Angeles to deal with an unhoused person than if we spent the money to find a way to get them in permanent housing, which is one third of that. And then we're going to jail them for being unhoused on top of that

when we're just putting them inside for the profit of someone. Yeah, it is. I mean, putting them inside, it's a statement I probably could have shaped more gracefully as these are people, but it is a done for fact, I assure you. It is a, yeah, one of those, well, silly conundrums about capitalism that like you need society.

It's why economic systems don't work in a vacuum because they're endless. They have no boundaries. They keep expanding, but we live on like a planet. Right, that's fine. You might know I do astronomy tours tonight. Maybe we've talked about that. we live on like a planet. Right. That's fine. I know I do astronomy tours tonight. Maybe we've talked about that. I live in Joshua Tree now. I go out into the park with telescopes and I talk about space. So I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Like it's one planet. It is so very small. We have a boundary amount of resources as much as Elon Musk

might want to grab an asteroid full of gold. It is not a likely outcome for us and permanent resource development. it's very cool we can make oxygen on other planetary environments but it's not like a sustainable model for life yeah so the expansion of capitalism being limitless is one of those things is very foolish and then you need a society decide like when profit doesn't win like like with housing like with yeah it's an it's yeah there's a pickle just like on the broad scale thing like there's that statement by william shatner where he like went to space and was like and i looked back and i realized like space is bad out there there's nothing out there for us

and like the earth is this amazing beautiful thing which i I was like, man, that's a really good point that he just made. And like, I wish I I don't know. He said he basically said, you know, you don't want to be out here. Right. He said out here is different. Appreciate what you got right now. Del Curry thread. Yeah.

Don't don't start thinking about out here. Space is incredible. It is inhospitable to every way we have adapted as biology. Space isn't bad. We are just programmed to live in a certain type of environment. And space is different from that environment. We don't think about the fact that the atmosphere is like gas we live in stew yeah exactly rich gassy goodness and space just isn't like that our bodies are designed for a certain amount of gravity space just has like different it's just different but we're not going to do great there so yeah the inherent constraints are one thing but then this like spinning off of costs is just madness and it happens within capitalist environments themselves where like they get fixated on a number.

The Pennywise Plan Foolish game where like labor costs money. So paying less in labor means we make more money. But that is a ridiculous. It's so provably false. So provably false. And it repeats itself so often that you'd think we'll have learned the lesson from history because it's like the eternal history of humans working for other humans has this balance of like a're talking to each other right now it's how people communicate among the rest of the trade like that's important labor those are important people with important skills that need to be helping us thrive yeah backwards thinking that we can pay people less to make more it doesn't work it doesn't work but here's the work. It just doesn't work.

On the shareholder call, they're going to be like, well, what's the fucking deal? Because these other companies are axing people. Why aren't you guys thin enough? Hire them. Hire them all. Hire them now. Hire them and pay them so they don't leave. Hire yourself 36,000 incredible employees and make your company incredible.

Stop. Give is so funny. Give them the money. Yeah. And watch your stock price go down a little bit and realize like my day to day stock price is not like a way to run the fucking company. Or not. Yeah. If your plan is to eat the company alive and leave, that's one thing. But what if your stock goes on because that company is alive it is gonna live

on too yeah what if it kept making money past the three years that you pull the plug on it drain it and kill it what if it actually over 30 years would give you so much more money yeah that it's such as death i'll take the money up front right now i'm gonna take the money up front right now right i'll take the money right now i don't take the money right now. I don't care about 30 years. I care about right now. I'd give it all away for just a little more. Right. That's right. And so there is a Stanford business professor who said back in December that the real reason behind all these tech layoffs that, you know, that was before a lot of the ones we're talking about, but they had started. And he was like, watch this.

They're all going to do this because everyone else is doing it. And that is how CEO brains work. That's how like the powers that be. Like it's it's a bad decision. They're going to like, you know, severance packages cost them money. Their unemployment insurance rates increase. Productivity drops due to low workplace morale. They're going to when the economy picks back up, like, go spend a bunch trying to rehire these same employees.

But tech companies are responding to the market only, basically. And they're just, it's so basic and just, like, they engage in imitative behavior because it's, like like a big fucking social circle where like social contagion is like yeah well i don't want i don't want people to be like why didn't you do that he did that so that i have to do it to like hedge my bets basically that's how you get everyone in fleece vests that's how you get the entire city of san francisco in the same navy blue fleece with a blue collared shirt underneath leather boat shoes leather boat shoes

but i mean it's wild because again like to your point right like when lula took office in brazil when he was like yeah man we going to tackle inequality and people starving and the markets fucking sink because he said, because he articulates that, which again, everything is just about the whole thing, which is ignore your human impulse

to have empathy and to take care of a problem. Because at the end of the day, we're all just becoming subservient to, again, the shareholder value, the stock price. And again, it's like this this only leads to the fucking just you know consumption of every resource that we have

and then like emptying out our pockets and be like is the jet here yet is the rocket here yet and it won't be yeah that's why i brought up the shatter thing is because like the long game is like that i feel like that statement was profound. And it also made me realize like they were like, he's suffering from a thing. Lots of astronauts come back from space with where they're just like, oh, my God, it's so bad up there. You guys, we need to like fix all the problems on Earth. We have it completely backwards but you never hear about that shit because again the whole thing is this vast like hive intelligence of capitalism that is only telling you the thing that is going

to accelerate consumption and like create this overall narrative where we have to get off the planet and create more more worlds to to consume. Right. Essentially. It's, it's like being inconvenienced that like your roof has like a leak in it and you start building another house and you're like, wait, what are you doing? You're like,

well, my, my other house has a leak in the roof and I don't want to fix it. So I'm building that second house is so good for the economy. You don't understand. Think of the amount of people you're going to employ by building another house thank you but again it's the why not why tackle the issue like why not tackle the issue of the faulty roof which is doable rather than being like no fuck it we're going all in on getting the fuck out of this house and building another one next door like

which will never leave yeah like what are you fucking talking about it's like just just take the fucking time to fix it's it's manageable but it just takes a different way of thinking rather than like well if i do that then there's like i just solve it right there and then there's not some like continuous problem same house yeah and you hit something it is a poison because like wanting the idea that humans want to explore off the planet we live on is like as old as people right sure we like don't stop looking it has been put like that urge is pure it is impure to think that we want to go there to take diamonds to bring back to here like that is insane that's so

that's so crazy but the idea that we are explorers is not is not crazy and and listen to the people who use this marvel of like space travel to go up there get a perspective that only like a handful of humans ever get and be like yo you are we are all fucking up and like you can you can see it from up there like somehow your spirit can like see it and it's really bad and and they pay their bodies are their strength it's a long-term what astronauts do has a long-term costs that we're getting better at understanding but It's not just bad for us. Every condition is not what

we're designed for. Our little probes are getting good. Way to go, Perseverance. Keep looking for stuff in those rocks. Show us life on Mars. I just want to see what happens. I just want to see what happens if we can find evidence of bacterial life on Mars. I just want to see what happens I just want to see what happens if we can find evidence of bacterial life on fire I just want to see what we do

and then we're going to go over here we'll bring it back we'll bring it back and it'll wipe us out as it was scripted our hubris became too much oh yeah well fuck yeah bring it home

bring it home all the fucking ecosystems are devastated they're like ah fuck Well, fuck yeah. Bring it home. Bring it home. Bring it home. Boom. All the fucking ecosystems are devastated. They're like, ah, fuck. Knew it. Ah, I knew that was bad. It was probably bad. It was probably bad.

Probably bad. Probably bad. They did. Like, that is a big thing they do, the quarantine after the moon landing. Like, they were like, all right. Those tubes are the cleanest things that we've ever made. The tubes on that little Mars rover are clean, baby clean. And they are getting sealed up. We are being, they stay in space for like a while.

Yeah. Yeah. They don't fuck around. Well, and then I did want to, you know, just follow that story up with a story about why that will be the last time that we ever talk shit about rich people or corporations, because now they are suing us. Yeah. Not us specifically,

but they're going after people who like to connect the dots out loud on the influence of money. And Beto O'Rourke, or also known as Skateboard B, is being sued. Is he known as that? He is truly the... I just decided to do that as a Pharrell reference, but we all know he gets down on that skateboard. We saw him get down in that Whataburger parking lot. But, you know, he's being sued by this natural gas magnate in Texas. Why? Did he do something criminal? Oh, he pointed out the fact that the Natty Gas Pimp

gave Governor Greg Abbott $1 million right after the governor signed a bill into law that created a loophole for natural gas operators to be able to opt out of mandated winterization of their infrastructure? Well, what does that even mean? It's not like that could ever harm anyone. I know, what do you mean? Winterization, where I have to put chains on my tires. Who gives a shit? What could winter be like?

How bad could winter in Texas be? Thank you. Did anything bad happen a couple of winters ago where properly winterized infrastructure could have prevented the death of hundreds and the loss of power for millions? Yeah, where unregulated costs led to the just absolute robbery of people trying to not die in their homes.

There was in 2021. And then Abbott signed a bill like a few months later that made it seem like he was addressing the issue of like the winter storm. And he was like, I want to make it look like I'm advocating for Texans by saying we got it. We actually have to get serious about mandating or like mandating like the proper winterization of infrastructure and like not allowing these operators to price gouge people. But again, he left a loophole for the natural gas gang, which is why the tech and the Texas Tribune points to the natural gas operators as, quote, the primary cause of outages during that time.

So what the fuck is going on? And what is this distraught man to do for Beto O'Rourke saying things like this guy's influencing the governor or bribing him? Oh, well, he just pointed that out. The Greg Abbott thing. He was just like yeah he's like bill was fucked up yeah he's like look at it he's like he's carving out loopholes for his buddy this guy gave a million dollars you think this isn't connected this is directly relates to his business and way of making money and this is this is the kind of corruption where

a guppy you know like any any person who's like running for office with that sort of set of ideals is going to articulate well his lawyers now are saying like, well, you know what? They said this natural gas tycoon experienced, quote, mental anguish from comments, ads and social media posts in which O'Rourke's campaign suggested that the money was a reward for Abbott going easy on him. What else? Tell us what else, honey. Let's soothe your wounds. Quote, Beto O'Rourke told millions of his followers that Warren engaged in bribery, corruption and extortion and that he profited from the death of his fellow Texans simply because Mr. Warren gave a perfectly legal campaign contribution to the candidate of his choosing, Governor Abbott. When you look at the comments that his followers put in on his tweets, they believe him. They believe that Mr. Warren is a criminal that is engaged in profit over the lives of Texans.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your profits, see, the reason is if you spent the fucking money to properly protect your infrastructure and prevent the power outages for people which wouldn't have led to their deaths. After the fact. After the people... That's the wild thing.

This is not like a thing where it was like, hindsight 2020, we would have really addressed that fucker. They are doing this and paying him millions of dollars campaign contribution after their fuck up has already led to people dying. Has already led to a national news disaster.

Something that everybody was talking about. And they're like, yeah, okay, so the next thing we need to do is make sure that no consequences are ever felt from this. Right. I don't know. I'm looking for some silver lining here. Remember that our perfectly balanced judicial system runs on a system of precedent. Now, if we can establish a precedent that mental anguish is enough to sue a politician for, then perhaps perhaps we're onto something here. Maybe even corporate. I've experienced mental anguish from every overdraft fee that I've ever experienced.

Maybe a little class action suit in that direction is in order. I've experienced, you know, mental anguish. or I've experienced, you know, mental anguish. Oh, I remember when I was in college and I had to get all those loans because like we made tuition and a student fees in the California public university system. Why don't, I remember that being quite a source of mental anguish.

Maybe the half million students a year that were in school with me in the state of California would like to get together and see if there's a little something we can do to compensate ourselves for what we suffered. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I just, God, if we could start suing people for mental anguish and that I just think that maybe we're onto something here, the mental anguish. And if the judicial system wasn't run by billionaires,

right? Hey, you never know. Let's, let's open the doors. But again, like many people are saying, like, obviously it's a bullshit slap lawsuit and it's you know meant to chill the speech of candidates or anyone who's wanting to point out that we live in this fucking oligarchy so you know there's that and it could be a great blueprint for other you know very sensitive earth fuckers who don't want to hear people accurately describe their actions but But yeah, it's a little... It does have a dystopian 1984 flip the language vibe. Yeah. You told the truth about me, so I'm suing you.

It's just an interesting state to be in. And I mean, when you also look at it too, this guy, like this gas guy, like he's making sure everybody's paid. You know what I mean? Like Ken Paxton, the attorney general after the storm, he's like, we got to look into these gas companies, man. What the fuck was that storm about? It looks like they were gouging.

The price gouging was out of control. But since then, he's refused to say, like, what's going on with that investigation? And then if you look at the donations, the same guy, Kelsey Warren's given at least two hundred thousand dollars to Paxton throughout his career. So it's like he stays on the good side of him. And then also the Texas Railroad Commission, which is the body that oversees like oil and gas and stuff in the state you know and like talks about price caps and things like that he's given like over 390,000 to like texas railroad commission candidates in the last decade so you know i mean if anything it's just one of these weird things where you see how it works but again they're like we have to we have to prove the intent in court. Right. You know, I mean, like he was just giving it like and it's it's this nebulous language that is allowed to for them to have a defense. I'm really participating in the civics, the civic process here and just giving money to a preferred candidate without really, you know, but we're not going to actually analyze what that means right and i think that's what this

what this lawsuit could end up uh boiling down to anyway he's being uh better or work is being sued for a million dollars oh yeah i think better works just mad he's not a baller like this guy you know yeah that's and i think that's what this guy was saying he's like it's just all these haters they hate that we're ballers and what's the the problem? I feel like we're, this is the, I mean, chads are finally stepping up to assert their dominance in court, which it's about time. I can see by the visual representation that this is the apex of the white male. This is, this is it. This is a.

Yeah. We're not getting much. Every billionaire looks like flaccid wet sausage but that's it's just something that happens i guess when you have that much money speaking of flaccid wet sausage we uh we got a fucking flaccid wet sausage all-star it's true i scrolled down to look at this guy's picture and i misunderstood i i saw in the document which you so kindly prepare for guests there you've you've included a photograph of a certain gentleman and i mistook him for a billionaire because he has billionaire body yeah which is about the compliment i could give him which i think we all recognize is not praise

and he has like he has like that vibe like when you're so privileged like you still look like a baby because you've never had to live still like you said you're not surprised to hear the stories about yeah 100 with his haircut that dodgy haircut the haircut oh my god yeah it looks like yeah i got it who's the owner of the raiders who has the bowl cut yeah with the the haircut yeah not al davis yeah al davis is i think it's al davis's son maybe oh yeah yeah he's got that he's got that really wild edge up like he's got a caesar with bangs yeah basically yeah yeah caesar with bangs like real real aggressive really bring it all to the front yeah he wasn't like give me an edge up but yeah yeah the the person i'm talking about is mark davis al davis's son so worth looking at him

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since their whole idea has been stopped the steel and then after the 2020 midterms, it seems like the Republicans' new obsession is the continued dehumanization of the LGBTQ community. Nothing to worry about there, never a harbinger of worse things to come. Yeah, yeah, don't, don't, we got rampant anti-Semitism, homophobia, yeah, yeah, this all ends, this is all going to end well. But like, as it stands, This is all going to end well. But as it stands, there have been over 160 bills introduced in 2023 that are meant to discriminate against drag shows or trans people. They're fucking like, they're putting the pedal to the metal. One particularly stupid bill comes from the aforementioned dickhead from North Dakota.

It looks like he's wearing three hair pieces. I don't mean to come for the man, but I'm saying that most of the trans community could really help. We know how to lay a wig, baby. Like on this side of the rainbow, we can just let us fix it. You are serving Mark Davis. Yeah, you're serving a white man cosplaying as maya from pen 15 yes like but in the worst possible way like you're like hold on what the fuck is this vibe i mean

that is a horrible insult to maya from pen 15 i mean it's a bull cut you know what i mean my look she's not tripping i just saw we're all right uh but that's it so that this man's name is david clemens and he just introduced a bill that would generate $1,500 fines for using people's preferred pronouns. Using their preferred pronouns would require you to be. And what he means is that this would apply to any quote, any entity receiving state funding, including a public school and institution under the control of the state board of higher education and a state agency or office.

They're basically saying like, if you spend the time to acknowledge someone's pronouns, you will be fined. We're only going to be just completely, we're not respecting anybody or who they are as people. That's the fine quote. And again, he goes even further in the event that these bigots have like terrible gaydar

or like, you you know a way to suss people out he said quote if sex gender or gender identity gender identity or gender expression is contested determination is established by the individual's deoxyribonucleic acid cool so dna testing yeah they're so good with that yeah the state testing people's dna on demand is something typically that people who favor less government control are like all about. Yeah. This aligns perfectly with the general philosophy. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, for sure. And there's already like other advocates have pointed out. It's like, what if you like chromosomes aren't always straight up male or female? Yeah. So what do you how are you going to even enforce this? This is just like some ignorant guy's thing of being like, well, if they don't like it,

we'll test their blood kind of thing. And it's like, for what? Yeah. For girl. What are you talking about? For girl. Like,

and what if, what if someone like an intersex person wouldn't have like a traditional DNA profile where they could be like, this is man, this is, or whatever it is. be like this is man this is or whatever it is again this is so fucking backwards and this is on top of other bills in the state that are already banning gender affirming care for trans for trans kids or banning trans girls from playing sports they're just they're piling on all this nonsense and even the their own state judiciary

committee said this bill was unlikely to work because it's written with tears and crayon and is also so poorly worded they're even like how are you going to enforce this well this is all their shit like all the way they're all based on like a fucking facebook post they didn't do any like follow-up research on it's anytime you talk to one of these bigots they're just they the their ideas are always paper thin their commitment is paper thin i mean their commitment is strong but like they don't they haven't like looked into any of this shit it's just all based on something that their cousin fucking wrote on facebook yeah i again like this is not a winning formula you know what i mean for candidates in the midterms it was only scoring culture war points on tv like it wasn't putting it wasn't like oh this is the this is like the plutonium rod that'll power the gop to like

you know like insane majorities and again they continue down this hate path full steam i mean not to mention like already like the dickheads in congress are already bringing up a fucking fair this fair tax bullshit again or they want to have a flat sales tax to replace like every other tax we have and another another giveaway to like the wealthy that they're just like they're just you know there's no real direction aside from create as much outrage as possible, score as many culture war points as possible, because actual legislating is far from a priority. It's just to create, I don't know, for whatever reason, they're clawing back whatever gains they felt were made by people who are not cishet Christians in the last 20 years. Yeah.

It's just confusing. It's a confusing time. Like I don't, I could look for indicators in other societies that are freaked out about this and then falling apart, which is what happens over and over again. But the obsession about it is so virulent. Like people are so angry about gender expression. It's an, I don't understand the anger or what it's actually about. It's like, it's like you're having, you know, on a grand scale, we're having a fight that where we're screaming about a teapot. But if we were in the couple, we would know it's not about the teapot. Like, what is this about? What are you mad about? Like, I just don't quite get it.

And this isn't like a coming out. You can look at me and know that I don't express gender along strong binary lines. I've never been DNA tested. I have no idea what the results would be. I'm like woman with big hair quotes. I just fall somewhere in the middle. My gender expression is Leatherman. Like I have cargo pants. Like I'm just somewhere floating in a purple space. And I feel like a coward sometimes. If they was in popular usage, that's probably what I would use, but I'm not interested in engaging in a linguistic fight. I see it more as just like clumsy English than anything else. Like other languages are better at expressing the fact that gender is part of language is very funny and weird.

Anyway, I don't care, but it's terrifying. Right. I travel less and I do live in a conservative area now, but like, I'm aware of being clocked in just this way that I know what people walk away around with in a because, you know, their expression means that folks are eyeing them down.

And they're so mad. I don't know why it's so mad. Because everything we see is it's trying to reset the scales. So like white, cis, het christian hegemony is maintained and every group that we are every group we now offer consideration towards is another group these people see themselves having to bow to right because they're not they didn't used to have to bow to be like oh i didn't realize about you know uh you know like, oh, I didn't realize about, you know, you know, systemic racism. Oh, God. Just not shoving someone in a bathroom.

Is that submission? Well, I think, again, for them, it's like, why do I have to now consider pronouns? What the fuck is this? I'm at the top of the sociological food chain where I shouldn't have to. My consideration shouldn't go downwards ever. I'm here. Y'all fucking deal with it. And so what?

Now I have to be mindful about, well, what white supremacist policies have had in this country? No, I'm not fucking doing that. That's bullshit. I don't want to talk about critical race theory. What you're saying, now I have to defer to somebody

because they said that they, their gender expression is this, that, no, I'm not doing that. It's everything. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I i'm not extending i'm not extending my empathy towards these people so now the natural instinct is to well then man vaporize the fuck out of them like start making it the law that actually considering them is illegal that studying critical race theory is illegal and again we're not even saying this was even being taught to fucking children but they're putting laws on the books to be like don't even fucking talk about ap

african-american studies in florida it has no value it has no value to me there's a leak build a new house right exactly yeah it's it's just it has no value to somebody who is not who their only goal is to say i'm only looking for reminders of my power as a cishet white person in America. If I have to say I'm sorry to someone, no, no, no, we're fucking up. Yeah, the entire civilization was built around their ignorance for decades. You know, like it was like we just what is polite is whatever you are comfortable with as a cishet white man and who that gave me the shivers yeah and holy shit that's another i'm sorry i just put a picture on of another legislator from mississippi who was again

trying to ban like trying to ban doctors from providing gender-affirming care. And this guy looks like literally what you just talked about, Jack, someone who is built in the fires of ignorance. Yeah, and will fight for every opportunity to make sure he's allowed to stay ignorant, keep his children ignorant, and make sure nobody ever pushes his hair back to see where his hairline actually starts because he's got the he's got the wild floppy bangs that like come down into his eyes in a way that i'm not fully buying yeah but i mean but this is where we're at there we're watching in real time the like legislate like the legislative manifestation and at every level of clawing

back this sense of like dominance yeah and that they're and trying to recreate a world that's like fucking jim crow era shit which is like i don't know yeah that's them then that's their thing that's not my problem right and i'm not and i don't need to begin thinking i have to make considerations in my day-to-day life about people I've not been exposed to or educated on and I'm ignorant of. So the natural reflex isn't to learn or to open my heart. It's to close it down and figure out how I can legislate my way out of learning anything else. Yeah. And we live in a civilization where the rewards go to these people.

They still go to those people. This guy is in fucking Congress. Like, the, you know pretty inhumane response to people asking to be treated like humans. And I mean, the folks with the boots wore those boots right on out of that prison, back to their homes, back to their families. And the people inside the prison died. It was, you know, people spoke out to ask to be treated like people. And those folks who spoke out were specifically targeted and taken down. It's such a stark. I think perhaps some of when I look at history and civil rights in the United States, I wondered why this prison riot hadn't made its way to the forefront in the way some other events had. And it is almost because some other events have a deeper degree of subtlety. Like talking about who can ride the bus has a more humane level of subtlety. The Attica prison riot is on the nose in a way that leaves you with a nosebleed. And that's important because things are that as is, as it was, you know know we can have a debate in a classroom about that period of history debate isn't right there's no debate but you know you can talk in a classroom about buses it's really

hard to talk about what happened in that place and the lack of aftermath sort of the the fact that nothing changed it's a worthy watch if you want to, you know, just get gutted. Have your eyes shat upon by the truth. Truly. Yeah, there's so many stories like that. We should just do a whole series that's just like the stories that you will hear from American history and be like, holy shit, why isn't this the first thing they fucking taught me? the first thing they fucking taught me. Like, there's an episode of the dollop.

There's an episode of the dollop about the Boston bus riots that is, like, the most damning thing about, like, how racist Boston is and just, like, massive, you know, race riots started by, you know, wildly racist policies and racist people in Boston. And it just doesn't get brought up. It's like not a thing that you learn about in school.

I think to Caitlin's point, it's always the ones that are so obvious. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, like I didn't know the police dropped a bomb on people in Philly. Yeah. I was 30.

Yeah. You know, I was like, wait, what? A bomb? A bomb. B-O-M-B Yeah. I was 30. Yeah. You know, I was like, wait, what? A ball, a ball, B-O-M-B ball.

I have off a helicopter. What the fuck? Really? You know what I mean? And it's, and you look at everything and you're like, oh my God, these,

uh, yeah, that just looks like an extension of all the other terrible racist violence. We've seen that we were supposedly moved past, but you know it keeps popping up in these other ways but yeah we'll see uh yeah it it is it is interesting to see how how we look back at this period because you know anytime the society lets a group become vulnerable and you know they begin picking away at it that's truly the beginnings of some even more awful

shit and we've been experimenting with this same way of doing business for fucking ages now so it's like it's really disheartening the one the one thing i will say is that with that one specific bill in north dakota a lot of people came out to like oppose it not one person came to like support the bill at all and what i mean even like the people in that committee were like yeah this is there's no way this is like this is not going to pass but it's still going to the senate floor for a vote yeah um like in north dakota so again we'll see but this is all this is all part of these people wanting to keep up the regularly scheduled programming of saying like hey we can legislate our way to the top again by dehumanizing and othering our fellow human beings.

North Dakota, this is my plea. If I understand correctly, you are the least touristed state in the nation. And if that's not true, I apologize. But also look at what just happened in your statehouse. We all have a lot to talk about. But I am pretty sure in North Dakota that not enough people come to see you. I'm pretty sure it's South Dakota that has that mountain with the people on it. And that's what everybody goes to see.

You, North Dakota, are sitting there full of beautiful spaces that could be full of gays and their dual income, no kid lifestyle. Imagine the resort properties. Imagine the tourist dollars that you could draw in with those snowbirds. I'm just saying you're missing where the money is. Those trans shows, people just throw money. Did you know that at a drag show where the trans is dance? People literally just throw American dollar bills at one another and just bring that money in. There you go. Caitlin, as always, truly a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?

show where can people find you follow you all that good stuff i guarantee shirts of course i also uh made a 420 day fiance grab a t-shirt an amazing podcast in addition to this one that you should check out and enjoy otherwise i am not online and it's beautiful so that my t-shirts that's where i'm at there you go get the designs where they're around otherwise enjoy international shorts featuring jennifer connelly and every other talented performer featured there. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Yeah, I've been ignoring Twitter since we had to let the sink in, but I let that sink in. Sorry, I got the pun wrong because it's just so bad. It's such a funny joke. But I'm going to give it up. I thank Alice Wetterlund for pointing me this direction. I have been indulging in scrolling through Reddit,

specifically just the Reddits that I have subscribed. I'm just a home girl, so I see a lot of plumbing, a lot of electricity, a lot of home improvement, and a lot of curled feetsies. So if you want to see some animals with their feetsies all curled up, I highly recommend that you go check out Reddit's corner, curled feetsies, to see. It's mostly cats,

and I understand there was some tension about downvotes given to other animals with Curled Feetsies, but it has been clarified within the community that any animal with cute Curled Feetsies is allowed for submission. So mainly cats, but a variety of animals with their Feetsies curled. Highly recommend.

Feetsies, I love a curl. You know when their little feet just flop over Because they're relaxed So that one little joint That is neither elbow Nor wrist Flops I like too When cats sit under their feet

And they look like They look like little chickens Yeah Oh That's called Batmobiling I have a black cat So we call it Batmobiling

Wow I have a black cat too I'm going to call it Batmobile Looks like the little Batmobile Right all curled up With her little haunches on big back wheels. Whoa. And her yellow eyes say less. Vroom, vroom. Exactly. We have the same cat.

Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Like Caitlin said, you can also find me on four 20 day fiance with Sophie, Alexandra, and also Jack and I have a basketball podcast called miles and Jack got mad. Okay. Um, let's see. And the tweet I like,

uh, is from at Richard underscore normal. I think the most, my most misogynistic belief, and I apologize in advance is that I've noticed that. And again, I'm sorry to say this sometimes women don't finish their cans of sparkling water as frequently as men do

and that was his take and i have as somebody who i i don't the thing is i don't even finish my cans of sparkling water i think it's uh i think this is this affects everybody the same way. Although, Her Majesty loves to leave around loose half cans of sparkling water. Yeah. I'm notorious for the one sip ditch. So, I have no stake in this argument. How do you feel? How do you sip? Because I get it, too.

Sometimes, I open a can. I'm like, oh, shit, I need this. But I only really needed to sip. Yeah. And then I'm like. The first big sip, it hurts. Yeah. And then you put it down. And then you go, oh,, I need this. But I only really needed the sip. And then I'm like. The first big sip that hurts. And then you put it down and it burns. It burns so good.

And then I'm like, I'm going to leave it on the kitchen counter. I'm going to get back to this can. Of course I am. Of course I'm going to finish this can and not open another one. This is also how I came across the thing about Jack when I used to say, leave a half-opened passion fruit LaCroix in your car and it'll smell like a new car that's again straight off of me not finishing fucking cans of fucking sparkling water i feel like this is everybody this is everybody's problem it's not it's not my problem my problem is the opposite i drink everything that's in front of me that's

why i can't drink alcohol i drink so much so fast am a thirsty, thirsty man all the time. And if you put anything in front of me, unless it's room temp water, which I can kind of take or leave, but basically anything cold, I will drink it so fast. I'm going to drink all the room temp water. We're good. You can have everything I see or too hot. I'm going to be right in that room. If everything I see are too hot, I'm going to be right in that room. I think it also has to do with the fact that I'm so sweaty that like my body is just naturally, like ever since I was young, was always just like, got to get more fluids. Go, go, go, go, go. So I can win chugging contests of lots of varieties. And it's not something I'm proud of.

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Appreciate y'all. All right. when I was doing lunch day at my kid's school, which was lovely. Appreciate y'all. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy hey miles what song do we think people might enjoy oh i think uh it's time to do some some rapping but some japanese rap from this mc uh miso extra she's like dope she's rapping in japanese so i don't expect people to know the lyrics but this track is called great taste i think the the production is super dope the flow is super cool uh and yeah for anybody who's trying to get into you know some some some new kinds of rap you know from from the other side of the pond check out miso extra you like that name miso extra i mean the thing is she's japanese you know yeah do whatever

the fuck you want to do you know what i mean if you're gonna lean into that shit uh it's funny because like on her website the the font is like cup of noodles too so you know is that i'm not sure what the nuances of your uh your artistic oeuvre but, it's miso extra. There was a sushi place by where I used to live in Santa Monica called Miso Fishy. Oh, yeah, I remember that place. It just bothered me a lot that that was what they went with because, first of all, it's a play on miso horny, I think, right? Of course.

And then fishy is not what you want your sushi no that means that means it's straight up shit that means fishy is like bait is like a bait shop that's what yeah yeah yeah i'll allow my job to be yeah what's that i think that's making fun of what like this is what you want isn't it you want it to say me so horny and told you all right so this is called food cat tie now that's what we're gonna fucking call it are you happy are you happy here you go assholes oh so i'm just a background she was born in hong kong japanese mom english father i said my mom has always raised me with a pride of being japanese and taught me to really embrace that side of my culture a huge part of that is actually being able to speak japanese and i'm

proud of the fact that i'm able to occupy a dual space and it's in my DNA. Yeah, I heard that part. You're fortunate in not being one thing. And that translates into other aspects of your personality. And she calls it the miso first. So she's kind of an out there creative. Cool. I like it. I love it.

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